| fennekki | last I tried wayland was ages ago, I admit | 00:00 |
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| M4rtinK2 | ryukafalz: same thing :) | 00:00 |
| M4rtinK2 | tiwake: Ntrig seems like something Jolla would have to add | 00:00 |
| M4rtinK2 | tiwake: from the website | 00:00 |
| tiwake | M4rtinK2: at least I'm pretty sure thats what the guy was talking about | 00:01 |
| tiwake | donno... I just did a quick google search | 00:01 |
| M4rtinK2 | thinking about it - if the tablet really had active pen support (even as a special variant) & fully working Krita | 00:02 |
| tiwake | looks like it is | 00:02 |
| tiwake | yeah | 00:02 |
| M4rtinK2 | I think it would be in the "shut up and take my money" territory very quickly | 00:02 |
| tiwake | that would be badass | 00:02 |
| tiwake | yeah | 00:02 |
| tiwake | students all over the world would flock to it | 00:02 |
| M4rtinK2 | the phrase "hand-tearing customer demand" comes to mind | 00:02 |
| M4rtinK2 | and not only that | 00:03 |
| M4rtinK2 | there are actually quite a lot of people who do digital drawing | 00:03 |
| ryukafalz | tiwake: Well I think it would need a good note taking app a la OneNote - that's something that has been sorely lacking in the Linux world | 00:03 |
| M4rtinK2 | ane the LCD tablets are still hideously overpriced (thanks Wacom!) | 00:03 |
| M4rtinK2 | and that's still a fixed solution needing a computer | 00:04 |
| tiwake | M4rtinK2: have you seen the monoprice ones? | 00:04 |
| M4rtinK2 | tiwake: what's that ? | 00:04 |
| tiwake | M4rtinK2: http://www.monoprice.com/Category?c_id=108&cp_id=10841&cs_id=1084101 | 00:05 |
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| M4rtinK2 | well, price looks good | 00:06 |
| M4rtinK2 | but that's still a "blind" tablet | 00:07 |
| tiwake | its not a screen with a digitizer though | 00:07 |
| tiwake | yeah | 00:07 |
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| M4rtinK2 | you usually get even older "blind" wacoms quite cheaply off ebay | 00:07 |
| M4rtinK2 | but the screen ones are still ridiculously overpriced | 00:08 |
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| tiwake | ja | 00:08 |
| M4rtinK2 | I find it quite crazy | 00:08 |
| tiwake | I do a little bit of graphics stuff | 00:08 |
| tiwake | enough to know how expensive they are :P | 00:09 |
| M4rtinK2 | for the same price you can buy a couple computers :) | 00:09 |
| M4rtinK2 | with CPU, RAM, GPU, touchscreen, hi-DPI screen - everything | 00:09 |
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| M4rtinK2 | but here you have a usually even quite low-DPI screen with digitizer behind it | 00:10 |
| M4rtinK2 | for the same money :D | 00:10 |
| tiwake | part of that is economies of scale | 00:10 |
| M4rtinK2 | I don't buy that | 00:10 |
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| tiwake | not for wacom so much | 00:10 |
| M4rtinK2 | I blame Wacom being greedy & sitting on the relevant patents | 00:11 |
| tiwake | do you know what the patents are? | 00:11 |
| fennekki | did someone mention | 00:11 |
| fennekki | patents | 00:11 |
| M4rtinK2 | haven't really researched that | 00:11 |
| M4rtinK2 | so just my theory | 00:11 |
| M4rtinK2 | for now :) | 00:11 |
| tiwake | heh | 00:11 |
| M4rtinK2 | on the other hand, there have been some positive changes lately | 00:12 |
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| M4rtinK2 | for example many e-ink ebook readers come with active pen screens | 00:12 |
| M4rtinK2 | so either Wacom charges less for eink-screened devices, some of the patents lapsed or the Chinese manufacturers don't care :D | 00:13 |
| tiwake | if the jolla tablet came with an active pen digitizer thing, and an M.2 interface slot... I would probably be willing to pay about twice what they are asking for it | 00:13 |
| tiwake | though most of the art I do is vectors | 00:15 |
| M4rtinK2 | +1 | 00:16 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, more precision would help even with that I think | 00:16 |
| M4rtinK2 | example - OpenStreetMap editing | 00:17 |
| M4rtinK2 | perfectly doable on the N900 resistive screen | 00:17 |
| M4rtinK2 | not much on a capacitive one | 00:17 |
| tiwake | M4rtinK2: http://tiwake.deviantart.com/art/Chrysalis-sad-324837922 | 00:17 |
| M4rtinK2 | interesting :) | 00:18 |
| tiwake | not too often you see properly shaded vectors :P | 00:18 |
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| tiwake | https://together.jolla.com/question/69681/request-jolla-tablet-m2-interface/?comment=69849#comment-69849 | 00:20 |
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| tiwake | I think... it could work? | 00:21 |
| tiwake | I found this... | 00:29 |
| tiwake | who was asking about qt5 | 00:29 |
| tiwake | http://dimula73.blogspot.com/2014/03/krita-new-extended-tablet-support.html?showComment=1395995803909#c4834170534613600413 | 00:30 |
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| M4rtinK2 | tiwake: interesting, thanks! :) | 00:32 |
| tiwake | I just asked in the krita IRC channel | 00:33 |
| M4rtinK2 | hopefully they advanced the Qt 5 porting since | 00:33 |
| M4rtinK2 | and there are still ~6 months before the tablet is released :) | 00:33 |
| tiwake | I hope those 6 months include an N-trig and M.2 slot :3 | 00:35 |
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| M4rtinK2 | yeah :D | 00:37 |
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| jgke | sigh | 02:56 |
| jgke | "Flashed recovery image is too old and does not support phone clearing" | 02:57 |
| jgke | why don't updates update the recovery images? | 02:57 |
| jgke | or well | 02:58 |
| jgke | I guess they're supposed to | 02:58 |
| jgke | anyone happen to have an .img of the root? | 02:58 |
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| cryorat | jgke, yes | 03:31 |
| cryorat | I have factory images in .tar | 03:33 |
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| japa-fi | where can I get to jolla terminal? Ie. I want to generate ssh keys, ssh out from the device, scp data by initiating the transfer from the device etc.. | 05:49 |
| zutto | you need to enable the developer mode from settings | 05:49 |
| Stskeeps | install developer mode | 05:49 |
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| japa-fi | what is the easiest way to get the ssh public key out of the device? cat + writing it by hand does not sound like my cup of tea... :) | 05:53 |
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| ninnnu | scp it to where you're going to use it? | 05:55 |
| japa-fi | Doh.. Enable sshd on phone, log in and fetch the key. | 05:55 |
| japa-fi | on all other places I only allow login with keys | 05:55 |
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| japa-fi | dev mode activated, remote connection enabled, trying to ssh to the phone IP (lan IP 192..) -> connection refused | 06:00 |
| japa-fi | Do I need to start sshd or something from the phone= | 06:00 |
| japa-fi | ? | 06:00 |
| inz | yes, see settings | 06:01 |
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| Bysmyyr | japa-fi: reboot | 06:15 |
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| TemeV | or just systemctl enabmle sshd.service or something like that | 06:49 |
| TemeV | no, systemctl start sshd, of course | 06:50 |
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| kimmoli | allow ssh from developer mode settings | 06:53 |
| kimmoli | no need to enable services from cli | 06:53 |
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| Teemu | oh the dreaded dev mode | 07:01 |
| Teemu | i guess i gotta enable it | 07:01 |
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| TemeV | kimmoli: but the service doesn't start from settings before booting | 07:47 |
| TemeV | or starting from cli | 07:47 |
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| TemeV | unless that has been fixed since I last time enabled dev mode, which was quite long time ago | 07:49 |
| kimmoli | same here.., | 07:51 |
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| stephg | TemeV: it's not so scary | 07:56 |
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| TemeV | ? | 07:57 |
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| stephg | 'the dreaded dev mode' :) | 07:58 |
| Teemu | that was me saying | 07:58 |
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| stephg | ick, forgive me both of you! | 07:58 |
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| TemeV | ah, ok :) | 07:58 |
| TemeV | I guess I'll have to get my self to developer mode also | 07:59 |
| TemeV | It always wears off during the week ends... | 07:59 |
| stephg | hehe | 08:00 |
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| kimmoli | i'm trying despertely to get on the road towards office.. | 08:02 |
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| Armadillo | kimmoli did you already post more pictures of some colored tohs? I saw some lines about this yesterday :) | 08:13 |
| kimmoli | Armadillo: yes i did | 08:15 |
| kimmoli | Armadillo: https://app.younited.com/?shareObject=13fb072b-f680-14d8-5952-1f7f38a0e055 | 08:16 |
| Armadillo | great, thanks! :) | 08:16 |
| kimmoli | the white balance on jolla is not so good. should have manual option too. cant find suitable for my old led lamps | 08:17 |
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| Armadillo | taking pictures in DNG format would be nice :) | 08:17 |
| Armadillo | the additional poppy red gives a good hint how the colors look | 08:18 |
| kimmoli | when the red/orange are close to real, the blue is way too bright | 08:19 |
| kimmoli | and on the other pick, green is ok'ish, but that one in between green and yellow should be pink | 08:20 |
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| Armadillo | kimmoli the darker blue one is the same as the one on the other picture? | 08:34 |
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| Stskeeps | morn Venemo | 08:38 |
| Teemu | I'd like to see the pro camera type of "this is the white reference for now" -setting | 08:43 |
| Teemu | not really setting but if you've done it you know what I'm speaking about | 08:43 |
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| lainwir3d | o/ | 08:48 |
| lainwir3d | (hi) | 08:48 |
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| SK_work | morning | 08:49 |
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| Venemo | hey Stskeeps :) | 08:51 |
| Venemo | and good morning everyone! | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | out of curiousity, is there any SDXC tablets on market besides windows ones? | 08:51 |
| Venemo | dunno | 08:51 |
| SK_work | Stskeeps: isn't samsung having drivers for SDXC ? | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | on some devices yeah | 08:54 |
| SK_work | (iirc there were some people dumping samsung drivers on github) | 08:54 |
| SK_work | claiming that it is "open source" | 08:54 |
| tbr | I think samsung later actually opened the driver. doesn't absolve you from obtaining an exfat patent license, obviously. | 08:55 |
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| phdeswer | http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/news/samsungs-exfat-linux-driver-now-gpl-compliant | 08:56 |
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| kimmoli | Armadillo: yes, same blue, just different WB setting on phone | 08:58 |
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| Armadillo | kimmoli which one is more native? :) | 08:58 |
| kimmoli | the where it is alone | 08:58 |
| Armadillo | ok, thanks | 08:59 |
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| Armadillo | so I think, those colors don't match the real colors, too? | 09:00 |
| Armadillo | http://images-cdn.ecwid.com/images/4536014/253538078.jpg | 09:00 |
| SK_work | haha, so there is an opensource driver for exfat. Good to know | 09:02 |
| Venemo | SK_work: there has been... already | 09:02 |
| Venemo | at least I have fuse-exfat on Fedora | 09:02 |
| pp_ | I guess you'd be fine running the samsung stuff in europe :-) | 09:02 |
| kimmoli | Armadillo: those are pretty close | 09:03 |
| Venemo | is samsung's stuff different from fuse-exfat? | 09:03 |
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| covox_ | yep, samsung's one is C | 09:07 |
| jonwil | Samsung's stuff is a proper kernel module AFAIK | 09:07 |
| jonwil | whereas fuse-exfat is a FUSE driver and hence in userspace | 09:07 |
| covox_ | yeah, that :) | 09:08 |
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| Venemo | ah | 09:11 |
| Venemo | is that a bad thing? | 09:11 |
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| lainwir3d | $1,562,327 :-( We are not going to make it | 09:25 |
| Armadillo | can someone explain to me, which use case you have for split screen? | 09:27 |
| lainwir3d | watch two videos at the same time | 09:28 |
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| the_mgt | marketing wise, it is a bit of odd that jolla fans are now sad that the campaign only raised 411% of the goal instead of 460,5% | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | i'm disappointed that it didn't raise 1000% | 09:28 |
| lainwir3d | hehe | 09:28 |
| entil | it's also a bit sad that of the last batch they sold less than half | 09:28 |
| entil | 100% would look better | 09:29 |
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| the_mgt | entil: the last batch is the 2nd last batch after the "next 3000" batch, iirc | 09:29 |
| entil | it's a lot of tablets, sure, but it's still not ending in 100% and a ton of hungry customers ;) | 09:30 |
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| the_mgt | entil: you mean people should have been left without a tablet and crying in agony? | 09:30 |
| entil | yes | 09:31 |
| ggabriel | +1 cartman marketing strategy | 09:31 |
| the_mgt | indeed | 09:31 |
| entil | if jolla is eg. looking for investment money, having an unknown amount of hungry fans is worth more than a definite amount of x fans | 09:31 |
| entil | dunno if they are | 09:31 |
| ggabriel | hard to prove to investors | 09:32 |
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| SK_work | the one plus strategy is pretty good | 09:32 |
| entil | but people are waiting anyway and something like $50 can be saved over time between the igg campaign ending and the actual launch, so no one really misses out on anything by waiting | 09:32 |
| SK_work | but their phone have super-nice specs | 09:32 |
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| entil | SK_work: I overdose on the marketing bullshit on oneplus.net | 09:34 |
| entil | there is absolutely nothing but jerking off on the site | 09:34 |
| SK_work | at least they have huge interest, media coverage | 09:34 |
| SK_work | and more and more people wanting to buy the phone | 09:34 |
| SK_work | how to make a product desirable: make it rare | 09:34 |
| entil | oh, that's the invite-only phone? | 09:35 |
| SK_work | yes | 09:35 |
| entil | what cheap psychology :D and yet jolla might have benefitted from doing partially the same with the igg campaign ;D | 09:35 |
| meklu | practically everyone has an invite and no one's buying it | 09:35 |
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| meklu | you can see people give away 1+1 invites all over the place | 09:35 |
| meklu | since google's stuff is actually cheaper in a lot of places | 09:36 |
| entil | I really hope no one buys it because the marketing bullshit is so abhorrently annoying :D | 09:36 |
| meklu | indeed | 09:36 |
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| entil | and if there's no real innovation there, it's just another phone | 09:36 |
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| meklu | it's just another phone with decent ish specs and cyanogenmod installed IIRC | 09:36 |
| phlixi | I am pretty sure, thats the trategy of someone who was just lucky, there are many other phones, and this went viral... could have been just some other random "outsider android" thatgoes viral, then those strategy would be the one of the lucky one.. i think its not neccesarily the strategy which made the success of the one plus | 09:37 |
| meklu | it's a very lacklustre device but the marketing's trying to spin it into a cult | 09:37 |
| meklu | which just looks silly to me | 09:37 |
| Teme2 | from what i've seen is that it's cheap and it runs cyanogen by default | 09:37 |
| daitheflu | morning ! | 09:37 |
| daitheflu | Armadillo: Notes + Web or Calendar + Tasks or Mail + Notes... | 09:37 |
| meklu | morning | 09:37 |
| phlixi | ...of course, now that they have the attention, they do a god job at marketing ;-) | 09:37 |
| the_mgt | uuuuh, and it is ugly. is that android with win8 icons? | 09:37 |
| SK_work | entil: not sure as the funding rate of the igg campaign slowed down quite quickly | 09:40 |
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| SK_work | it's a phone that is cheap, that's all | 09:41 |
| SK_work | cheap is good | 09:41 |
| SK_work | I like the icons of 1+ | 09:41 |
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| Armadillo | daitheflu wtf? :) | 09:58 |
| daitheflu | Armadillo: you asked : "[10:27] <Armadillo> can someone explain to me, which use case you have for split screen?" | 09:59 |
| Armadillo | ah ok :D | 09:59 |
| daitheflu | :) | 09:59 |
| the_mgt | or chat + X | 09:59 |
| Armadillo | to many meetings in the meanwhile :D | 09:59 |
| daitheflu | yep, chat + X is also a basic usecase | 10:00 |
| daitheflu | X being whatever other app | 10:00 |
| the_mgt | exactly | 10:00 |
| the_mgt | videochat window + presentation | 10:01 |
| meklu | what do you mean you don't want to run another display server there? D: | 10:02 |
| dr_gogeta86 | jolla need to ask skype a native client now is also a replacement for link | 10:03 |
| dr_gogeta86 | jolla need to ask skype a native client now is also a replacement for lynq | 10:03 |
| dr_gogeta86 | despite I hate closed UC | 10:03 |
| the_mgt | I'd rather see advances in a fre videochat platform. currently, it seems as if only commercial ones are getting it right. skype, google, now telefonica disguised as mozilla... | 10:04 |
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| the_mgt | free and crossplattform. last time I tried, it was not possible between linux and windows to use any of the free implementations | 10:05 |
| suosaaski | linux is a bit out of luck but all the other platforms seem ok :) | 10:06 |
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| suosaaski | the_mgt: I see at least one problem with free videochat and getting it right. It usually requires servers. Which are not free to run. | 10:07 |
| the_mgt | what i mean is: you can't use pidgin on linux to videochat with pidgin on windows, using this xmpp extension | 10:07 |
| chris__ | ok this is why we have sme problems :D i am on linux, friends on Windows, and i cant do "perfect" video calls | 10:09 |
| chris__ | it works but, ofthen not | 10:09 |
| chris__ | but i try it few month ago, dont know how looks today | 10:10 |
| the_mgt | I tried about 2 years ago. meanwhile I use *cough* facetime | 10:11 |
| the_mgt | it is almost 2015, videochat/telefonie was part of most scifi movies during 80s and 90s and it still only works with a small selection of company controlled apps :( | 10:12 |
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| daitheflu | dr_gogeta86: nope it needs a native WebRTC client :P | 10:13 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | WebRTC is a placebo effect | 10:16 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is just an enabler for proprietary solutions | 10:17 |
| dr_gogeta86 | and DRM in html5 is another brick in the wall | 10:18 |
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| PaulePanter | Hi. Using Debian Wheezy/stable with PCMan FM and libgphoto2-2:i386 2.4.14-2, connecting the Jolla I am able to see the files, but trying to copy them to the HDD of the system does not work and it quits just saying there was an error. | 10:27 |
| PaulePanter | Is there a way to directly mount the device with `udisk` or `mount`? | 10:28 |
| PaulePanter | (With Debian Sid/unstable and GNOME everything works fine for me. | 10:28 |
| PaulePanter | ) | 10:28 |
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| stephg | PaulePanter: there's not, if you can't get mtp working you do also have the option of scp/sftp/sshfs/rsync (if you have developer mode enabled) | 10:29 |
| PaulePanter | :( | 10:30 |
| PaulePanter | Thanks. | 10:31 |
| PaulePanter | Any idea what I need in Debian Wheezy? | 10:31 |
| stephg | don't know about GNOME I'm afraid, but it works for me with KDE and the kio stuff | 10:32 |
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| PaulePanter | stephg: As written it works for me with current GNOME just fine. | 10:35 |
| PaulePanter | stephg: Currently I am on a Debian Wheezy/stable system, which was released two(?) years ago. | 10:35 |
| XenoPL | the_mgt: try qtox, videochat works both on windows and linux (in fact it does better on linux than windows) | 10:36 |
| PaulePanter | libmtp9:i386 1.1.3-35-g0ece104-5 is installed too. But PCMan FM seems to use GPhoto. | 10:38 |
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| the_mgt | XenoPL: that is yet another app, I'd prefer something like SIP or Jingle working flawlessly. I already have antox installed, but nobody else uses it :D | 10:46 |
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| XenoPL | afaif antox incurrent form is deprecated, It's gonna be rewritten. qtox is in decent shape | 10:48 |
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| PaulePanter | Installing `mtp-tools` and using `mtp-getfile` worked. | 10:49 |
| the_mgt | XenoPL: that is another problem with these "almost working" solutions, they change too often and die too fast | 10:51 |
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| XenoPL | the_mgr: well, it's not like qtox is huge hassle to install, it has windows installer and repos for both debian/ubuntu and redhat-like distros updated almost daily. | 10:58 |
| XenoPL | the_mgr: I've tried it and one2one chat (both audio and video) works, some isues with groupchat has been reported, but it's quite fresh feature and should be ironed out soon | 10:58 |
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| mcfrisk | Why is jolla not recognizing all mp3's and playlists correctly? Ripped some cd's over the weekend with grip and jolla shows only ½ of the songs in album view, and in playlist those missing songs seem to have no name and 0 lenght, but they all play just fine. | 14:07 |
| mcfrisk | gosh, jolla should open source the 'media' music player to get all of the zillion bugs fixed.. | 14:09 |
| SK_work | mcfrisk: this is not media-related, but tracker and buteo related | 14:10 |
| SK_work | and good news: they are OSS | 14:10 |
| mcfrisk | but UI is also buggy.. yes the qml files are 'open' | 14:11 |
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| the_mgt | SK_work: tracker finds all my songs, player still does not play them | 14:12 |
| SK_work | the UI is rather ok, but I agree that they could be opened | 14:13 |
| * meklu only has FLAC songs | 14:13 | |
| SK_work | but their plugin-based system force QML files to be packaged | 14:14 |
| meklu | some of them somehow cut off at some point in the middle and cause a track skip, but that might be file corruption | 14:14 |
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| mcfrisk | m3u files with utf8 encoding shows umlauts wrong, sigh. 2014. | 14:17 |
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| jgke | cryorat: would you mind sharing? I'd like to avoid sending the phone to jolla's support since I don't have a spare | 14:20 |
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| cryorat | jgke, ofc :) but not now. i have to go to work. but about an hour later we can discuss it, okay? | 14:38 |
| jgke | sure | 14:38 |
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| the_mgt | oooh, new perk | 14:43 |
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| Teemu | pew nerk | 14:45 |
| Armadillo | so many discounts on the phone and now they propose a bundle which is more expensive if I wait for the next discount and now only buy the tablet from the campaign... | 14:48 |
| Teemu | anybody know about the settings accounts thing on jolla phone? | 14:49 |
| Armadillo | which thing? | 14:50 |
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| Teemu | the one on settings where you can tell the phone about which accounts you have | 14:50 |
| Teemu | which then none of the apps seem to actually use o_O | 14:50 |
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| Teemu | i want to see my g+? gotta log in separately as the browser doesn't want to know i already told the phone my google credentials | 14:51 |
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| Armadillo | it's not possible because there's no API available for third party apps | 14:51 |
| Teemu | i can tweet from the gallery app but not from web browser or the twitter app | 14:51 |
| Armadillo | it's same for the settings itself | 14:52 |
| Teemu | the browser is not 3rd party i guess? | 14:52 |
| Armadillo | but it is open source | 14:52 |
| the_mgt | Armadillo: agreed, the 259€ discount was a better deal | 14:52 |
| Teemu | how does the opensourcedness mean it cannot use an api? | 14:52 |
| Armadillo | everybody could copy the implementation and try to use it | 14:52 |
| Armadillo | which is not wanted I assume | 14:53 |
| Armadillo | also it isn't that easy to do this | 14:54 |
| Teemu | i'm not really seeing how the not publishing this api is somehow good | 14:54 |
| Armadillo | well they are using an API e.g. Google | 14:54 |
| Armadillo | but this API maybe won't work for logins on web pages | 14:54 |
| Armadillo | and what if somebody wants to login with other credentials than set in the accounts | 14:55 |
| Armadillo | I'm with you, that apps should support the already configured acocunts (although it's currently not possible) | 14:56 |
| Armadillo | but the web pages which are rendered in the browser engine handle their own sessions | 14:56 |
| Teemu | i'd really like if they used the same accounts as well | 14:57 |
| Teemu | something like how safari uses my accounts i've saved on the keychain thing | 14:57 |
| Armadillo | the_mgt I've read the update and was already happy to share it with a colleague, when I saw the price... | 14:58 |
| the_mgt | phone update perk should have been 250€ at most, but nagging is always easy | 14:58 |
| Nicd- | the_mgt: the update perk is 228 € | 14:58 |
| Nicd- | about | 14:59 |
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| the_mgt | oh, I see USD | 15:00 |
| the_mgt | confused | 15:01 |
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| Nicd- | why won't the americans just use our clearly superior currency? :P | 15:01 |
| Armadillo | lol | 15:01 |
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| Teemu | dollars are just like the imperial measurement nonsystem | 15:01 |
| the_mgt | I just wanted to start a metric system joke... | 15:02 |
| Teemu | it's clear only if you're grown to use it and know that a nickel is x cents and there's absolutely no reason to spell it out as numbers on the coin | 15:02 |
| jgke | the api feature I'd like to see would be cert management | 15:02 |
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| jgke | since currently the mail app only allows for allowing all untrusted certs | 15:03 |
| Armadillo | there are many APIs that would be very useful | 15:03 |
| jgke | jolla pls, implement every existing api | 15:03 |
| the_mgt | asap | 15:03 |
| Armadillo | if it would exist thery would be no need to implement it ;) | 15:04 |
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| rigo | BTW, folks, if you do marketing email campaigns for the fabulous tablet, please don't use imperial trackers as they will re-use the information (and are free to do so) | 15:18 |
| rigo | as a consequence, I will NOT click on any of those links | 15:19 |
| flux | "imperial trackers"? | 15:19 |
| rigo | who is using the imperial system? :) See discussion above .... ^^ | 15:20 |
| Scelt | NSA | 15:20 |
| rigo | s/N/U/ | 15:20 |
| rigo | they are using services located in countries without data protection regime. So all info you send there is freely circulating | 15:21 |
| Scelt | NUSA is okay by me | 15:22 |
| rigo | every link in the tablet email contains a uniqueID cookie (mine is 0_32f8b0f565-2c62268a02-37758561) | 15:22 |
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| rigo | so they know who has reacted in what timeframe; individually, personally, not only statistically | 15:23 |
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| flux | I can see how evil that is. | 15:24 |
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| Stskeeps | at least we don't ask you to sign over your firstborns | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:24 |
| javispedro | for now | 15:25 |
| flux | it's easier to make statistical analysis when you have the raw data, instead of throwing the raw data away at the first step. | 15:25 |
| rigo | it's always easier to provide no privacy and no security | 15:25 |
| rigo | and you can do much better statistics :) | 15:26 |
| Scelt | Stskeeps: ever seen Mikko live? | 15:26 |
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| Scelt | Stskeeps: a presentation I mean | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | Scelt: i'm trying to remember if i have | 15:26 |
| flux | I realize privacy and security are nice things to have. but I don't think it's not worth getting too excited about tracker links in advertisement emails. | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | Scelt: i need to watch a couple of them again | 15:27 |
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| flux | you only get tracked, with typical image-blocking mail viewer, if you click a link. | 15:27 |
| Bawal | can i somehow disable the (i'm assuming) automatic ambience swap when toh connects | 15:27 |
| Scelt | Stskeeps: never waste of time. awesome guy | 15:27 |
| cryorat | jgke, hey :) | 15:27 |
| Bawal | my toh seems to be somehow loose and the ambiense swaps as it pleases | 15:28 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | Bawal: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.ro/2013/12/jolla-battery-life-power-consumption.html | 15:30 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | i guess that works still? | 15:30 |
| ggabriel | looks dated | 15:31 |
| javispedro | hm, that "imperial mail tracker" service Jolla uses is also sending me dupe emails | 15:31 |
| javispedro | to the same gmail address, even :) | 15:32 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | and that probably wasnt the best link for that | 15:32 |
| ggabriel | fwiw, i do notice extra battery drain with android | 15:32 |
| ggabriel | but i only use android for uber | 15:32 |
| ggabriel | and uber uses gps etc | 15:32 |
| lainwir3d | new perk | 15:37 |
| lainwir3d | hmmm | 15:37 |
| lainwir3d | I guess i'm late | 15:37 |
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| jgke | cryorat: hi | 15:56 |
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| krnlyng | is there a way to stop the phone from rebooting if there is a kernel panic? i am testing a kernel module and when i run insmod the phone reboots, so i assume it's a kernel panic but i want to look at dmesg to see whats wrong | 15:56 |
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| teve | sysctl -w kernel.panic=0 ? | 16:04 |
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| chem|st | ggabriel: android can keep the audio pipe open even after closing the app, so the hardware stays alive too | 16:17 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: yup, i shut down the services after using android | 16:18 |
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| cryorat | jgke, if you have some free time, please PM me | 16:33 |
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| ReflexDarky | chemist I couldnt get your android sd method to work so i bit the dust and factory reinstalled my phone then updated it to the lastest sail version and it still will not work | 16:37 |
| ReflexDarky | i follow your guide by every word | 16:37 |
| ReflexDarky | werid thing is if i disable androidsdcard.service the card will work | 16:38 |
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| jubo2 | Am I unbannhammered yet ? | 16:54 |
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| locusf | jubo2: you are unbanned yes | 16:55 |
| jubo2 | great | 16:56 |
| jubo2 | I hear | 16:56 |
| jubo2 | from various sources | 16:56 |
| SK_work | that | 16:56 |
| jubo2 | that Jolla service will factory reset my phone | 16:56 |
| SK_work | send the whole sentence :) | 16:56 |
| jubo2 | why they not capture the disk image that could tell what went wrong in the Sailfish OS to cause ringtones and other auditory notifications fall offline | 16:57 |
| jubo2 | There is obviously a bit in the wrong position somwhere | 16:57 |
| jubo2 | I really wish the Jolla Care would care to take snapshot of OS disk before instructing user to factory reset based on that that'll be the 1st thing the service does | 16:58 |
| Armadillo | what is the problem with you're device? | 16:58 |
| jubo2 | No ringtones, no alarm clock | 16:59 |
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| Armadillo | maybe the issue is known and they don't need you're image | 16:59 |
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| ggabriel | ...sometimes the pragmatic approach is way faster than analysing every single individual problem | 16:59 |
| Armadillo | additionally some customers wouldn't appreciate the fact that Jolla works with their data | 17:00 |
| jubo2 | Armadillo: I can see that people would see that.. but surely to get clear view of what are the bugs and errors experienced by the users | 17:00 |
| jubo2 | You gotta put the UX | 17:00 |
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| ggabriel | i'd rather jolla work on analysing widespread problems as opposed to edge case ones, for which the community is probably better suited | 17:01 |
| jubo2 | If Jolla kaks-piste-nolla doesn't have analog radio reception HW you can consider me a lost-for-ever case | 17:02 |
| jubo2 | but let's not go there | 17:02 |
| ln- | yeah, like iphone is a lost case because it doesn't have analog radio. | 17:02 |
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| jubo2 | ln-: It'd be foolish to diss analog in 2015 | 17:03 |
| jubo2 | it was foolish in 2013 but this time it'll be inexcuseable | 17:03 |
| Armadillo | what is the problem? | 17:03 |
| Armadillo | I really don'tunderstand it :) | 17:03 |
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| jubo2 | Armadillo: my ringtones nor wakeups nor timers work | 17:03 |
| jubo2 | that's the pressing problem | 17:04 |
| Armadillo | I meant the analog radio ;) | 17:04 |
| jubo2 | I can get a Phased Lock Loop tuner from another phone | 17:04 |
| jubo2 | before PLL reception in electric trains was shit | 17:04 |
| Aard | jubo2: taking an image of your phone is a legal minefield due to the private data you have there | 17:04 |
| Armadillo | as I mentioned above^^ | 17:04 |
| jubo2 | then enter PLL tuners and suddenly all FM stations were available in crips quality onboard trains | 17:05 |
| jubo2 | remember the Finnish computer scientist who said 2400 bps is maxiumum a 4000Hz line can carry | 17:05 |
| jubo2 | then someone mentioned you can encode more then one bit per signal | 17:05 |
| Nicd- | jubo2: problem is nobody except you cares about listening to FM radio | 17:05 |
| jubo2 | Nicd-: I beg to disagree | 17:06 |
| ggabriel | just make a tjc or vote if there's one already | 17:06 |
| jubo2 | to diss analog technology where is it up to the performance of the digital is not something anyone wise should do in 2015 | 17:06 |
| Armadillo | well I would like to get FM radio | 17:06 |
| jubo2 | then again your peril is your peril | 17:07 |
| Armadillo | but I hate the antenna problem | 17:07 |
| jubo2 | Armadillo: I'm guessing to include a PLL tuner that uses 3.5mm jack cord as antenna would cost like 2-3€ in HW costs | 17:07 |
| Nicd- | jubo2: then make a TJC vote for it and surely it will gain enough traction | 17:07 |
| Nicd- | but it probably won't | 17:07 |
| jubo2 | Nicd-: well.. I don't have to be stuck with Jolla all my life | 17:08 |
| jubo2 | there is fairphone and ubuntuphone etc. | 17:08 |
| Armadillo | jubo2 this is what I'm speaking of, I don't like the Antenna on the 3.5mm jack because then I have to take the headset with me to have an antenna ;) | 17:08 |
| Nicd- | then you should go buy one. we have heard enough of your FM radio | 17:09 |
| Armadillo | you can build your own TOH to get your FM tuner ;) | 17:09 |
| jubo2 | Armadillo: or 3.5mm-to-3.5mm chord ( which I always carry ) | 17:09 |
| jubo2 | Nicd-: we? | 17:09 |
| Nicd- | probably everyone here | 17:09 |
| ggabriel | no offence, but i'm a bit fed up too. i'd like offline maps and there's a tjc for that, so i just vote and apply mute | 17:10 |
| ln- | jubo2: also N9 has a radio, get one, it's a good phone. | 17:10 |
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| ln- | but beyond that, i also think you've made your point about the radio, and there isn't more to discuss. | 17:11 |
| jubo2 | Maybe I do what FSF is suggesting and get an used android phone and install Replicant | 17:11 |
| jubo2 | that way I wouldn't be paying to Googel | 17:12 |
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| * javispedro ponders FOSDEM flight | 17:17 | |
| javispedro | I guess friday late to monday late is OK | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: i usually come in friday morning; for beer event | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | in the evening friday | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | albeit it's not a good place for claustrophobia | 17:18 |
| javispedro | I see friday midday is actually cheaper for some reason so that'll be it | 17:19 |
| javispedro | heh | 17:19 |
| javispedro | last year's friday beer event I would not describe as "claustrophobic" | 17:19 |
| japa-fi | I miss FM Transmitter from my N900... | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | well, that the electricity went out probably helped a bit | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:20 |
| javispedro | I would describe it as "assume hell has remained of a constant size for millenia, yet souls have continued to arrive at a constant rate" | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, true | 17:20 |
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| javispedro | surprisingly we actually managed to see Jollas :) | 17:24 |
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| javispedro | the white TOH helps :) | 17:24 |
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| javispedro | japa-fi: supposedly there are TOH with fm tx around :) | 17:29 |
| javispedro | ok, so friday 1pm to monday 9pm booked | 17:31 |
| japa-fi | Is it possible to stack TOHs? keyboard + FM + .. :) | 17:31 |
| japa-fi | TOH-brick: All combined :) | 17:31 |
| raa700 | TOHdeadron | 17:31 |
| javispedro | japa-fi: haha, I made this joke on the very early TOH days | 17:31 |
| javispedro | stackable!! | 17:31 |
| javispedro | (in truth, it wasn't a joke! :) ) | 17:32 |
| Armadillo | nooooooo | 17:32 |
| Armadillo | now you're telling this to me? | 17:32 |
| Armadillo | I already bought the damn device!!! :P | 17:32 |
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| lainwir3d | Awesome stacked TOH 10cm deep | 17:33 |
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| Armadillo | reminds me of this: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61ABQA%2Bgt8S._SL1063_.jpg | 17:37 |
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| Toxip | More fuel for the fire. At this rate we might even reach the $1,750,000 goal | 17:40 |
| Toxip | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S9nd24uRqsL1qneD-xzHudm_S443P7zH_m49WIOsdIE/edit?usp=sharing | 17:40 |
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| lainwir3d | :-/ | 17:46 |
| lainwir3d | crap | 17:46 |
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| ljimonad4iks | hi all jolla fans | 18:35 |
| Ezko | i'm not a fan, i'm a human being | 18:35 |
| ln- | https://together.jolla.com/question/69955/official-announcement-batteries-available-tuesday-9th-of-december-2014-1200-utc/ | 18:36 |
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| raa700 | w000t | 18:39 |
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| r0kk3rz | limit run though | 18:40 |
| r0kk3rz | *limited | 18:40 |
| Obi-Lan | hmm | 18:41 |
| r0kk3rz | which is a bit of a shame, people have been calling out for batteries since the phone came out | 18:41 |
| Obi-Lan | so I bough jolla phone for 249eur week ago, now they are offering it for 225eur trough indiegogo | 18:41 |
| Tegu | really? :/ | 18:42 |
| Obi-Lan | yeah | 18:42 |
| Obi-Lan | and my order haven't even been shipped yet | 18:42 |
| ottulo | where? | 18:42 |
| Obi-Lan | they offer it for 279 dollar if you buy the tablet | 18:42 |
| Obi-Lan | in same indiegogo campaing | 18:43 |
| ottulo | ah, but it's not by itself | 18:43 |
| Obi-Lan | nope | 18:43 |
| ottulo | so I wouldn't consider it unfair | 18:43 |
| SKyd3R | I don't really need a tablet, so I'm ok with that | 18:43 |
| Obi-Lan | well I bought the tablet also couple days ago | 18:43 |
| ottulo | cancel your outstanding order and add the phone as a perk? | 18:43 |
| Tegu | ouch, well then.. | 18:44 |
| Tegu | haha, is that possible? | 18:44 |
| ottulo | why not? | 18:44 |
| r0kk3rz | its ok Obi-Lan, im sure Jolla dont mind the extra euros | 18:44 |
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| ottulo | I would be surprised if cancelling orders is not possible, and perks are usually available at any time after the original pledge | 18:44 |
| Obi-Lan | well there is no cancelling in the jolla shop | 18:45 |
| r0kk3rz | is the phone shipped immediately though? or together with the tab? | 18:45 |
| Obi-Lan | i wont mind the 25eur if they would ship the damn phone | 18:45 |
| Nightmare__ | mine was "in picking" while it arrived | 18:45 |
| ottulo | Obi-Lan: through email I would think it's possible | 18:46 |
| Obi-Lan | they say that phone will ship in december | 18:46 |
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| ottulo | considering there's a 14 day return period for online shopping etc usually | 18:46 |
| r0kk3rz | mine arrived fairly swiftly | 18:48 |
| r0kk3rz | but they've probably got a lot more orders now | 18:48 |
| r0kk3rz | with all the PR and price drops | 18:48 |
| r0kk3rz | 279 is still a good deal considering most of us paid 349 | 18:48 |
| Obi-Lan | in dollars? | 18:49 |
| ottulo | or 399€ | 18:49 |
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| Obi-Lan | I think they were selling it with regular price 349eur (incl vat 24%) | 18:50 |
| Obi-Lan | and it was on cyber week sale for 249 | 18:50 |
| Obi-Lan | 249eur | 18:50 |
| Obi-Lan | which includes shipping, which costs some in funland | 18:50 |
| Obi-Lan | meh, I'll let them keep that 25eur | 18:52 |
| Obi-Lan | in hope that phone arrives on this or next week | 18:52 |
| Teemu | mine arrived pretty swiftly | 18:52 |
| Teemu | ordered on a sunday, arrived on wednesday | 18:52 |
| Obi-Lan | I ordered mine in 1.12. | 18:53 |
| Obi-Lan | last friday got some message that we have troubles | 18:53 |
| Teemu | ah | 18:53 |
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| Teemu | mine happened before slush | 18:53 |
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| Obi-Lan | well hope that their company makes better financial result in this year | 18:55 |
| r0kk3rz | Obi-Lan: eurodollars, yeah | 18:57 |
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| coderus | genius: https://twitter.com/PatrikKarisch/status/542019100302536704 | 19:05 |
| tadzik | hah, I just surprised an androider | 19:06 |
| Sail0r | Pebble Jolla experience is getting better and better | 19:06 |
| tadzik | "what, a sailfish app for mobile vikings? Android has that for a week or so" | 19:06 |
| Sail0r | thx to javispedro and r0kk3rz (SirenSong with MPRIS) | 19:06 |
| Teemu | what, a pebble android thing commanded by jolla? | 19:09 |
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| r0kk3rz | Teemu: pebble isnt an android thing as such | 19:11 |
| mornfall | so how are things? next update next year? | 19:12 |
| Teemu | r0kk3rz: oh, what is it running? | 19:12 |
| Sail0r | it was first for iOS | 19:14 |
| Sail0r | and not android ;) | 19:14 |
| Sail0r | and now has wp, blackberry and so on | 19:14 |
| Sail0r | because the api is open | 19:14 |
| javispedro | nah, it's open, but they're not actively hostile about it.. | 19:14 |
| javispedro | *it's not open | 19:14 |
| Sail0r | yeah I know | 19:15 |
| Sail0r | sry | 19:15 |
| tadzik | open is a sensitive topic :P | 19:15 |
| Sail0r | I think it's running a variant of freertos? | 19:15 |
| Teemu | ah okay | 19:15 |
| javispedro | yep | 19:15 |
| Teemu | so it's closed but offers some api to connect to? | 19:15 |
| Sail0r | well they also take about an open plattform as Jolla does ;) | 19:16 |
| Sail0r | *talk | 19:16 |
| Sail0r | http://pebbledev.org/wiki/Protocol | 19:17 |
| Teemu | well, yes, there's other openness as well as open source | 19:18 |
| Teemu | just having openly documented api is good in itself | 19:18 |
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| Teemu | actually, having a good open api on a closed source thing is better than having just open source something with no defined apis as such | 19:19 |
| Sail0r | yep | 19:19 |
| Teemu | i'm very much against all apis and protocols where the apis/docs are either closed or even worse, "open but you have to buy the documents" | 19:20 |
| Teemu | therefore i'm not very enthustiac about AES67 protocol but am very trippy about the gibson magic protocol | 19:21 |
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| Teemu | its definitive docs are openly downloadable even though actually using the protocol on a product would require licencing | 19:22 |
| * javispedro coughs *exfat* | 19:23 | |
| Sail0r | hehe | 19:24 |
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| Stskeeps | he-llo helsinki | 19:26 |
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| javispedro | how many meters of snow? :) | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | not much. i don't understand why *** they use stand arrivals during december though.. | 19:28 |
| javispedro | this planet is not what it used to be, pesky global warming ;P | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.foreca.com/Finland/Helsinki?lang=en&units=metric&tf=24h | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | looks a bit depressing | 19:31 |
| javispedro | foreca is crazy | 19:32 |
| javispedro | http://www.foreca.com/Spain/Barcelona?lang=en&units=metric&tf=24h | 19:32 |
| javispedro | days are shorter, but not that much .... | 19:32 |
| r0kk3rz | javispedro: being closer to the equator is like that | 19:34 |
| r0kk3rz | less seasonal variation | 19:34 |
| r0kk3rz | but its nice in summer when its still light outside at 9pm | 19:34 |
| SKyd3R | javispedro: is not rainy at all!! | 19:34 |
| SKyd3R | http://www.foreca.com/Spain/Santander | 19:34 |
| SKyd3R | and we're quite close to each oter | 19:35 |
| SKyd3R | *other | 19:35 |
| r0kk3rz | oh santander is a place? not just a bank? | 19:35 |
| SKyd3R | haha | 19:35 |
| SKyd3R | is the place where the bank "born" | 19:35 |
| javispedro | what I'm remarking is that it shows "sun" symbol only during 13:00 | 19:35 |
| r0kk3rz | well i get that now | 19:35 |
| r0kk3rz | before? not so much | 19:35 |
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| r0kk3rz | to be fair most australians wouldnt even know the bank | 19:36 |
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| r0kk3rz | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/12/sharp-aquos-crystal-a-240-smartphone-that-out-designs-most-flagships/ | 19:38 |
| r0kk3rz | interesting, sharp getting into the smartphone game | 19:38 |
| javispedro | if there was a GSM model, I'd have probably bought one in the states | 19:38 |
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| SKyd3R | that phone seems to break down of the first fall | 19:39 |
| javispedro | haven't seen one that wouldn't in years :( | 19:40 |
| SKyd3R | but it's gorgeous | 19:40 |
| r0kk3rz | most phones arent too bad | 19:40 |
| r0kk3rz | but yeah, zero protection at the edges? its going to smash | 19:40 |
| r0kk3rz | i do think they should have the bezel bar at the top | 19:40 |
| r0kk3rz | but theres probably reasons why they didnt | 19:41 |
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| Obi-Lan | yet another glass brick | 19:41 |
| javispedro | it's the FUTURE! (read that with bold letters) | 19:42 |
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| javispedro | qtcreator is so great, it just can't get any better, so its biggest problem is that it will get worse =) | 19:45 |
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| SKyd3R | maps app isn't actually telling the route, right? | 19:47 |
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| javispedro | you mean by voice? no | 19:50 |
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| tadzik | and it's not quite following you as you move | 19:54 |
| Timo | It's nice for looking at the maps though... | 19:55 |
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| Obi-Lan | anything for car navigation? | 19:59 |
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| Timo | Nope. That is, nope, not native. You'll have to look at Android apps for turn-by-turn satnav, unfortunately. | 19:59 |
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| Obi-Lan | will those be found somewhere else than gapps store :) | 20:00 |
| Bysmyyr | aptoide | 20:00 |
| SKyd3R | mmm ok, any recomendation? | 20:00 |
| Bysmyyr | nokia, google | 20:00 |
| Bysmyyr | osmand | 20:00 |
| Timo | Nope, I'm using my N9 for that. | 20:01 |
| Bysmyyr | nokia and osmand are offline | 20:01 |
| SKyd3R | mm | 20:02 |
| SKyd3R | wasn't here the Nokia app? | 20:02 |
| r0kk3rz | here maps is pretty good | 20:02 |
| Nicd- | SKyd3R: HERE is made by Nokia, yes | 20:02 |
| r0kk3rz | download the apk from the here website | 20:02 |
| SKyd3R | ok, I'll give it a try | 20:04 |
| Obi-Lan | here drive on WP is geat atleast | 20:05 |
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| attah | Has there been any clues about if we can expect U10 before christmas? | 20:19 |
| tadzik | none that I know of | 20:20 |
| cb400f | guess it'll appear on the TJC if anywhere, https://together.jolla.com/question/68125/official-announcement-current-status-of-update10/ | 20:20 |
| meklu | this sure is fun: https://i.imgur.com/AOOx5rG.png | 20:21 |
| meklu | triple the fun! | 20:21 |
| meklu | a grand total of one of those has my name on it | 20:21 |
| coderus | well, as far i know jolla, if update not ready in next week, it won't be released before holidays. i bet to mid-end of january :) | 20:22 |
| Nightmare__ | u10 before christmas is more likelyt han stretch goal #2 :D | 20:22 |
| Nicd- | meklu: I got three too :D | 20:23 |
| attah | aaaw :( | 20:23 |
| attah | on both.. | 20:23 |
| TemeV | coderus: I think they said if it's not ready this week it will not come this year | 20:23 |
| TemeV | they don't release it right before holidays because there wouldn't be anyone providing hotfixes | 20:24 |
| Obi-Lan | does jolla have bittorrent sync client? | 20:24 |
| attah | crap! the account settings won't recognize that i'm connected on my wlan and asks me to select a connection.. anything else works fine | 20:26 |
| attah | on the positive side it has stayed semi-signed-in to google for much longer than ever before and still is | 20:26 |
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| * attah wishes that sailors could run fixes suggested on TJC by the people in the thread before releasing | 20:36 | |
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| attah | (as opposed to just the mailing list or nothing) | 20:37 |
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| Sailor-2gether | https://together.jolla.com/question/68181/request-android-wear-support-for-sailfish-os/ | 20:39 |
| HtheB | Sailor-2gether: before android wear, you need bluetooth support................. | 20:39 |
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| HtheB | Guys, is there any VNC Server for the Jolla? | 20:39 |
| Sail0r | that's what I say why support a specific "watch" | 20:39 |
| HtheB | Or something that I can show my display on the pc? | 20:39 |
| Sail0r | provide the apis for such usecases | 20:40 |
| Sail0r | and make the harbour fit the needs | 20:40 |
| Sail0r | is more important | 20:40 |
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| HtheB | anyone? | 20:48 |
| Sail0r | https://together.jolla.com/question/43626/implementednot-packaged-manage-jolla-from-desktop/ ? | 20:50 |
| HtheB | it's source only | 20:53 |
| Sail0r | build it | 20:53 |
| Morpog_PC | build it | 20:53 |
| HtheB | and seems like it's not ready for end users | 20:54 |
| Morpog_PC | lol | 20:54 |
| HtheB | cant build | 20:54 |
| HtheB | my own notebook is on repair | 20:54 |
| Sail0r | *highfive* Morpog_PC | 20:54 |
| HtheB | can someone build it for me? :) | 20:54 |
| * Morpog_PC *highfives* Sail0r back | 20:54 | |
| HtheB | and all other jolla users out there | 20:54 |
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| Morpog_PC | HtheB, https://openrepos.net/content/nieldk/libvncserver | 20:56 |
| Morpog_PC | ah no, not what you want | 20:57 |
| HtheB | that is the lib | 20:57 |
| HtheB | (bu I need that too) | 20:57 |
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| r0kk3rz | build it on the phone | 21:00 |
| r0kk3rz | its linux, you can do things like that | 21:00 |
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| HtheB | :( | 21:04 |
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| r0kk3rz | and a lot easier to type configure, make, make install than to package it all up as an rpm | 21:06 |
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| HtheB | if it's that easy | 21:09 |
| HtheB | can you build it for me :D | 21:09 |
| TemeV | HtheB: point is, it has to be done on your phone | 21:09 |
| TemeV | well... you can copy the binaries also | 21:10 |
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| TemeV | but make install wouldn't work, I guess | 21:10 |
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| HtheB | yeah | 21:10 |
| HtheB | i just need the rpm :( | 21:10 |
| TemeV | "No provider of 'pkgconfig(libvncserver)' found." | 21:13 |
| TemeV | doesn't compile just by hitting build :/ | 21:13 |
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| TemeV | This thing takes a while to compile, I really need a new computer | 21:18 |
| r0kk3rz | cpp always does | 21:18 |
| dr_gogeta86 | hi javispedro | 21:18 |
| r0kk3rz | and the readme says you need to build the lib first | 21:18 |
| TemeV | that's what I'm building | 21:19 |
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| HtheB | Thanks TemeV !!!! | 21:19 |
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| HtheB | you should upload it on OpenRepos when it's done :) so other people can enjoy this too | 21:19 |
| TemeV | I'm not planning to test it | 21:20 |
| r0kk3rz | i wouldnt put it on openrepos unless you're prepared to support it | 21:20 |
| TemeV | exactly | 21:21 |
| HtheB | if you just write "it's untested and no support will be given" | 21:21 |
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| HtheB | and 'use at own risk' :P | 21:21 |
| HtheB | i will test it | 21:21 |
| TemeV | installing stuff like that shouldn't be that easy | 21:21 |
| HtheB | and if it's ok, I cna upload it | 21:21 |
| TemeV | if something is not tested and supported, github is a good place to distribute it | 21:22 |
| TemeV | at least you know what you're doing when installing it | 21:22 |
| HtheB | yeah | 21:22 |
| HtheB | but it would be great to have builded versions already | 21:22 |
| HtheB | instead of building the same thing again | 21:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | even with warnings, its still your reputation | 21:25 |
| r0kk3rz | its fine to compile other peoples released stuff, but this has been deliberately not released for mass consumption by the dev | 21:26 |
| HtheB | anyway, lets just wait untill TemeV is doen compiling :) I'm willing to test | 21:27 |
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| TemeV | Why is "deploy by building an rpm package" greyed out? | 21:31 |
| r0kk3rz | its not | 21:32 |
| r0kk3rz | but the 'run' button is | 21:32 |
| r0kk3rz | because it doesnt install it anywhere to be run | 21:32 |
| TemeV | that's what I meant | 21:32 |
| TemeV | but there isn't .rpm anywhere | 21:33 |
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| r0kk3rz | you need to build first | 21:33 |
| TemeV | I did | 21:33 |
| r0kk3rz | then it should be in the project folder | 21:33 |
| TemeV | oh, there it is :) | 21:34 |
| TemeV | i was looking for it in the build folder for some reason... | 21:34 |
| TemeV | rpm -ivh LibVNCServer-devel-0.9.9.29git7b9fc019-1.armv7hl.rpm LibVNCServer-0.9.9.29git7b9fc019-1.armv7hl.rpm | 21:35 |
| TemeV | oops | 21:35 |
| TemeV | https://www.dropbox.com/s/iyrireo16gqnb46/LibVNCServer-0.9.9.29git7b9fc019-1.armv7hl.rpm?dl=0 | 21:35 |
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| TemeV | HtheB: ^ | 21:35 |
| HtheB | <3 | 21:35 |
| javispedro | the problem with VNC, etc. on the Jolla is that everything is rendered using OpenGL, so you don't have damage information | 21:35 |
| javispedro | probably encoding the screen as x264 like miracast/airplay do would be better | 21:36 |
| javispedro | even VNC's "jpeg" mode is going to suck a lot of bandwidth | 21:36 |
| HtheB | what about https://github.com/mer-qa/mervncserver | 21:36 |
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| TemeV | HtheB: Remember, I don't take any responsibility, and I didn't test it | 21:37 |
| javispedro | afaik some sailors used that for demos :) | 21:37 |
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| HtheB | javispedro: I just want to stream and control my jolla from the PC | 21:37 |
| HtheB | TemeV: no prob, thanks! | 21:37 |
| TemeV | have fun :) | 21:37 |
| HtheB | TemeV: but I needed the mervncserver too :P | 21:37 |
| HtheB | to use with the lib | 21:38 |
| HtheB | https://github.com/mer-qa/mervncserver | 21:38 |
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| r0kk3rz | thats what ssh is for, CLI FTW | 21:38 |
| HtheB | touch cli sux | 21:39 |
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| HtheB | still waiting for the TOHKBD :p | 21:39 |
| r0kk3rz | you said control jolla from pc | 21:39 |
| r0kk3rz | pc has keyboard | 21:39 |
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| HtheB | hahhaha | 21:40 |
| HtheB | no | 21:40 |
| HtheB | i mean control as in UI | 21:41 |
| HtheB | not cli | 21:41 |
| HtheB | like demo'ing sailfish os | 21:41 |
| HtheB | as in: live screencasting | 21:41 |
| HtheB | we had "Netview" on harmattan :) | 21:42 |
| HtheB | that worked just great | 21:42 |
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| TemeV | HtheB: oops, sorry. Wrong file... | 21:45 |
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| TemeV | oh, it didn't create .rpm from the server | 21:46 |
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| TemeV | https://www.dropbox.com/s/iyrireo16gqnb46/LibVNCServer-0.9.9.29git7b9fc019-1.armv7hl.rpm?dl=0 | 21:47 |
| TemeV | try that one | 21:47 |
| TemeV | I'm not sure if I did it right though | 21:47 |
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| TemeV | https://www.dropbox.com/s/s6pyjpr8q1jjoa1/mervncserver-0.1-1.armv7hl.rpm?dl=0 | 21:48 |
| TemeV | that on | 21:48 |
| TemeV | e | 21:48 |
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| TemeV | something is wrong with my copy paste today | 21:48 |
| HtheB | :D | 21:48 |
| HtheB | haha | 21:48 |
| TemeV | anyway, I going to bed now. Have fun with that --> | 21:48 |
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| HtheB | Thank you TemeV ! | 21:54 |
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| HtheB | aw crap | 22:02 |
| HtheB | site maintenance | 22:02 |
| HtheB | Why did I refresh the page | 22:02 |
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| HtheB | it works!!!!!!!! | 22:06 |
| HtheB | (VNC) | 22:06 |
| HtheB | it's slow, but it does work | 22:06 |
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| tiwake | dododo | 23:15 |
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| tiwake | I kind of want that tablet right now so I can do little software hacky porting packaging things | 23:26 |
| tiwake | or wait, isnt there a simulator? | 23:27 |
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| M4rtinK | tiwake: the simulator is not very good | 23:40 |
| M4rtinK | tiwake: well, like about any such mobile device simulator :) | 23:40 |
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| tiwake | heh | 23:42 |
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| tiwake | M4rtinK: did you see my comment about krita 3.0? | 23:42 |
| M4rtinK | tiwake: on together or here ? | 23:43 |
| tiwake | together | 23:43 |
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| tiwake | there was two comments | 23:43 |
| tiwake | that I made | 23:43 |
| M4rtinK | oh I think I saw it | 23:44 |
| M4rtinK | 3 is Qt 5 base, has Wayland support & there are some nightlies available, right ? | 23:44 |
| tiwake | no, at least not yet | 23:44 |
| tiwake | beginning of 2015 is when they finish... well here | 23:45 |
| M4rtinK | found the update | 23:46 |
| M4rtinK | nice detective work :) | 23:46 |
| M4rtinK | looks like the timelines might align with a bit of luck :) | 23:47 |
| tiwake | yeah | 23:47 |
| M4rtinK | I think I should try Krita with my age old tiny volito 2 tablet sometime :) | 23:47 |
| M4rtinK | while I still don't like the disconnection of "blind" tablets, who knows | 23:48 |
| M4rtinK | Krita might have some tricks that will make it bearable :) | 23:49 |
| tiwake | it seems like a standard painting program really | 23:49 |
| M4rtinK | (I rember having issue drawing a straight line, let alone something more complicated) | 23:49 |
| tiwake | krita + wacom/N-trig + M.2 slot | 23:50 |
| tiwake | big time nerdgasm | 23:51 |
| M4rtinK | the ultimate combo! :) | 23:51 |
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| M4rtinK | actually the dead & buried KDE Vivaldi tablet | 23:51 |
| M4rtinK | had all electronics on a PC slot type card | 23:52 |
| M4rtinK | just the physical size & connectors, not actual PC card electrical interface | 23:52 |
| M4rtinK | so that you can swap the "brains" to different "dumb" shells & to easily upgrade | 23:53 |
| M4rtinK | shame it did not work out in the end, I really liked the concept | 23:53 |
| tiwake | what is this HDMI stick thing? | 23:53 |
| M4rtinK | this was one of the prototype PCBs BTW: http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/kde_tablet/news/tablet_top.png | 23:54 |
| M4rtinK | actually, there is still some work going on for watever reason :) | 23:55 |
| M4rtinK | http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/kde_tablet/news/ | 23:55 |
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| M4rtinK | interesting! :) | 23:55 |
| tiwake | also, why are not more people liking the M.2 interface? lol | 23:55 |
| M4rtinK | well, there are quite a lot of these ticks lately | 23:57 |
| M4rtinK | you connect it to hdmi & to USB for power | 23:58 |
| M4rtinK | and it works like a miniature settopbox | 23:58 |
| M4rtinK | or mini media center | 23:58 |
| M4rtinK | so I think the proposal is for having one that is running sailfish OS | 23:58 |
| tiwake | oh ok | 23:59 |
| tiwake | well, I don't really like HDMI anyway | 23:59 |
| tiwake | if it was displayport... | 23:59 |
| M4rtinK | I think one of those running a sane OS would be welcome :) | 23:59 |
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