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| sledges | darn uk xmas dinners, missed all the $1.75M fun %) | 00:03 |
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| chem|st | ;) | 00:09 |
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| chem|st | so battery and USB-C 3.1 are the most voted hardware requests on TJC, hope we get the USB port, the battery is just fine, 30% less battery for a system that even on windows uses 30% less power - I learned from my netbook that linux is about 20% more efficient than windows (comparison is debian whezzy VS winXP though) | 00:11 |
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| iekku | kimmoli, thanks for pinging | 03:28 |
| Cal-Drone | hii hoo | 03:31 |
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| tiwake | oh nice, 1.8mill | 05:25 |
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| tiwake | who is staying up for the kickstarter to end? | 05:43 |
| Nicd- | staying up? I just woke up | 05:46 |
| tiwake | :P | 05:46 |
| ryukafalz | not me, no way XD | 05:47 |
| tiwake | almost 10pm, I'm good for another couple hours | 05:50 |
| salyavin | California? | 05:53 |
| tiwake | oregon | 05:53 |
| tiwake | close :3 | 05:53 |
| salyavin | No phone for you :( | 05:54 |
| tiwake | I dont see why not though | 05:54 |
| tiwake | I use T-mobile and I dont have a dataplan | 05:54 |
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| tiwake | I'm not quite ready to replace my nokia N900 though | 05:55 |
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| salyavin | My N900 still works great too, no USB port issue yet. | 05:56 |
| japa-fi | tiwake, I just did. my findings after 1 week of usage: I like the calendar app on N900 better as it shows what is going to be on the next 10 days or so | 05:56 |
| japa-fi | I like the keyboard | 05:56 |
| tiwake | hmm | 05:56 |
| japa-fi | the UI needs some practise. | 05:56 |
| tiwake | I should update my phone actually... it says there are updates | 05:57 |
| salyavin | cssu? | 05:57 |
| tiwake | is there a community repository I should be using? | 05:57 |
| salyavin | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 05:58 |
| japa-fi | I don't like that on jolla you just can't scroll trough all your contacts, but need to go by selecting first letter to see all contacts starting wtih that letter etc. | 05:58 |
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| tiwake | oh, that would be a bit of a pain, yeah | 05:58 |
| tiwake | esp. on mine, when half of my contacts are internet people and don't remember their actual name XD | 05:59 |
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| japa-fi | I'm not sure if it's just me, but there is no quick way of selecting desired wlan. it's settings -> system -> wlan -> (select from the list) | 05:59 |
| tiwake | is little programs like that written in C++ or python or something? | 06:00 |
| japa-fi | though it does connect to one of the saved ones if it detects it | 06:00 |
| salyavin | Mildly partucularly as many of my contacts are in asian languages so more than just alphabet | 06:00 |
| japa-fi | I like jolla's cpu power. N900 just started struggling these days on most of the websites | 06:00 |
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| japa-fi | I like how the screen is smooth and scratch free | 06:01 |
| japa-fi | (my n900 is scratched by the very stick which came with the n900) | 06:01 |
| salyavin | N900 had a plastic screen that refuses to break ;P | 06:01 |
| salyavin | Jolla is hugely faster | 06:01 |
| salyavin | more active OS development on Jolla | 06:02 |
| tiwake | active development is more important to me really | 06:02 |
| salyavin | I thought the combined feed screen on Harmattan was interesting. | 06:02 |
| salyavin | Yea your tablet will help. CSSU for N900 is not dead but nothing like Sailfish | 06:02 |
| tiwake | software isnt perfect, but all software isnt perfect. If its being worked on, things will always be getting closer to perfect | 06:02 |
| japa-fi | I'm still trying to get used to quasarMX (the music player), but I instantly bought it (4.99e) just to encourage the developer | 06:02 |
| salyavin | Since PDA days are gone I try to avoid the batman utility belt although a music player will help save phone battery. | 06:04 |
| japa-fi | My second player is sansa clip. Nice and small :) | 06:05 |
| tiwake | yay for coke and cherry rum | 06:05 |
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| japa-fi | There are some things that are not 100% clear to me on jolla. For example on desktop, some of the "preview" windows show clearly an action icon. For example quasarMX has play / stop buttons. But I can't activate those actions on dektop, instead I get the application maximised, after which i can do what I want. | 06:12 |
| tiwake | lets see how broken I can make my N900 | 06:12 |
| japa-fi | Or twitter client has "refresh" button, but the same thing... | 06:12 |
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| japa-fi | is it just me, or is this how it's supposed to work? | 06:13 |
| covox | japa-fi: try swiping left/right on the application tile | 06:15 |
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| salyavin | No. You in the "multitasking" screen on Sailfish you see yhose actions and say tweetian you go left to refresh twitter and right to tweet | 06:15 |
| salyavin | yes like covox said go left or right | 06:15 |
| japa-fi | Ok, thanks for the info | 06:16 |
| japa-fi | Wow, that's cool! | 06:17 |
| japa-fi | (just playing, literally, with quasarMX controls now) | 06:17 |
| covox | japa-fi: I feel for you re. the plastic N900 screen, managed to gouge mine in exactly the same way | 06:17 |
| covox | not a good idea making the screen out of a lower scratch-resistant plastic than the stylus | 06:18 |
| japa-fi | covox, On my n900 screen, the spot that I hit the stick to scroll pages is clearly visible as it has worn noticeably :) | 06:18 |
| tiwake | I have one little scratch on mine | 06:19 |
| covox | I tried to replace mine | 06:19 |
| tiwake | its only noticeable when scrolling | 06:19 |
| covox | that was a really bad move | 06:20 |
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| covox | ended up with two broken screens... luckily I found a chop-shop with access to first-party replacement parts | 06:21 |
| salyavin | USB port seems to not be secured strongly enough either on the N900 from what I gather on forums. | 06:21 |
| salyavin | wow. I had to reglue a N9 screen that popped loose after it took a shock. Took it apart and reglued it to the frame and it works great. | 06:22 |
| salyavin | Jolla doesn't feel as strong but nothing happened to it yet. | 06:22 |
| tiwake | dropped my N900 once or twice to cement floor | 06:23 |
| salyavin | me too | 06:23 |
| salyavin | no issue for me | 06:23 |
| salyavin | not that I care to repeat it | 06:23 |
| tiwake | yeah | 06:23 |
| tiwake | tiny scuff mark on the aluminum around the screen | 06:24 |
| salyavin | If Neo900 ever gets anywhere you gonna upgrade the boards? | 06:24 |
| tiwake | neh | 06:24 |
| covox | nup | 06:24 |
| tiwake | I want a J2 phone :P | 06:24 |
| salyavin | That's what I'd like too. | 06:24 |
| covox | waiting on TOHKBD | 06:24 |
| salyavin | sylus has it's uses like openstreetmap updating or drawing but I like one-handed operation like N9 and Jolla a lot. | 06:25 |
| salyavin | Use the other arm for something else like holding a kid ^-^;; | 06:25 |
| salyavin | Maybe in a year, no real rumors yet about a Jolla 2 that I have heard. | 06:26 |
| salyavin | I'm sure they are concentrating on the tablet for now | 06:26 |
| covox | it'll happen soon | 06:27 |
| japa-fi | I've dropped my n900 like 5 times. Each time scaring the shit out of me as I've broken 2 or 3 nokia communicators by dropping them | 06:27 |
| japa-fi | (they split to half | 06:27 |
| covox | they've been carpet-bombing 100EUR discounts left and right for rev1 :) | 06:27 |
| japa-fi | salyavin, I tried the OSM based mapp application, just for few mins. I still couldn't quite figure the UI when I wanted to DL the maps for offline use | 06:27 |
| salyavin | OSM does not allow bulk download of tiles. | 06:28 |
| japa-fi | And... is there private browsing mode with jolla's browser (no history, no cookies) | 06:28 |
| japa-fi | salyavin, I used marble on N900, it could download tiles for offline use | 06:29 |
| japa-fi | I think the jolla app states the same functionality | 06:29 |
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| japa-fi | Just that I don't know when it DLs the tiles for offline use and when not.. | 06:29 |
| japa-fi | Marble is one of the apps I'd love to see on jolla. It had navigation (road nav) options too. So I don't need to depend on commercial software (here maps) | 06:30 |
| salyavin | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy yea marble had some ability to do offline, not sure how big of an area but you're right | 06:30 |
| salyavin | "Bulk downloading is strongly discouraged. Do not download tiles unnecessarily. | 06:31 |
| salyavin | In particular, downloading significant areas of tiles at zoom levels 17 and higher for offline or later usage is forbidden without prior consultation with a System Administrator. These tiles are generally not available (cached) on the server in advance, and have to be rendered specifically for those requests, putting an unjustified burden on the available resources. " | 06:31 |
| japa-fi | salyavin, basically you manually selected area and downloaded some zoom levels. It's pita if you want a state map. I did use it for downloading a part of berlin while I was going to visit berlin | 06:31 |
| japa-fi | I don't think it even was possible to go beyond 17 | 06:32 |
| japa-fi | Yes, just checked. Max zoom for DL is level 16 | 06:33 |
| japa-fi | Oh, I have rome as the last place I've used marble :) | 06:34 |
| salyavin | Don't know of a private browsing mode per say but you know about settings, application, click on browser and privacy settings right? | 06:34 |
| japa-fi | Learn new every day :) | 06:34 |
| japa-fi | thanks | 06:34 |
| salyavin | Do not track is one option there but private browsing windows like firefox I don't think it can do | 06:35 |
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| tiwake | what should my catalogs look like on my N900? | 06:39 |
| Nicd- | covox: jolla 2 coming out soon would really piss off the userbase. I don't think it's happening | 06:45 |
| tiwake | I don't expect a J2 to come out until sometime after the tablet | 06:45 |
| zutto | Nicd-: wouldnt the userbase just be excited to get new device rather than angry? | 06:47 |
| zutto | O.o | 06:47 |
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| zutto | i just got my jolla and i would be very intrested in the new one | 06:47 |
| Nicd- | zutto: no, because they have been pushing out the old one with a discount and a lot of people have bought it just now | 06:48 |
| salyavin | Many major brands can come out with a phone every few months and not piss off their userbase. Jolla has been over a year. That said I feel they don't have near enough manpower to get another phone released for at least a year with the tablet coming and Sailfish 2, split screen and all that. Jolla Oy is quite small. | 06:48 |
| Nicd- | also it would ruin tohkbd2 | 06:48 |
| zutto | well the keyboard thing would be sad | 06:48 |
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| zutto | its something i really want for my jolla | 06:48 |
| zutto | but i wouldnt mind new version being released otherwise | 06:48 |
| Nicd- | and of course all other tohs (I don't think it will have compatibility) | 06:48 |
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| zutto | there isnt that many tohs out there for it to be so big deal tho | 06:49 |
| entil | I don't see why another phone wouldn't fit the same dimensions as the first | 06:49 |
| entil | making tohs compatible | 06:49 |
| Nicd- | it would also require the power and i2c and nfc in the same places | 06:51 |
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| salyavin | Maybe they will announce something at the next Slush | 06:51 |
| Nicd- | not to mention the camera | 06:51 |
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| salyavin | camera, power and volume buttons, power connector, audio jack, flash | 06:53 |
| Nicd- | yeah, I think it limits too much | 06:54 |
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| covox | Nicd-: why would they break TOHs? | 07:03 |
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| Nicd- | covox: because I don't think the next phone will be compatible | 07:04 |
| covox | okay, it places constraints on the design, but there's no reason to redesign the body in rev2 | 07:04 |
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| Nicd- | well, I've heard many people complain that Jolla looks ugly and the corners are too sharp / painful | 07:05 |
| covox | real people or commenters? | 07:06 |
| Nicd- | real people | 07:06 |
| Nicd- | in real life | 07:06 |
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| covox | opinions differ I guess | 07:07 |
| tiwake | sharp corners tend to form cracks easier | 07:08 |
| tiwake | thats why airplane windows are all rounded | 07:08 |
| covox | I have the same revulsion towards fake plastic-backed brushed aluminium, yet samsung sold a shitload of galaxy S5s | 07:08 |
| Nerfiaux_ | my jolla fell several times and no cracks at all | 07:08 |
| tiwake | just saying :P | 07:09 |
| salyavin | http://www.jollatides.com/2014/11/27/tohkbd-meet-the-maker-interview/ " If Jolla keeps compatibility with the current TOHs, then… well… they would be idiots." | 07:09 |
| salyavin | Dirk | 07:09 |
| tiwake | when machining, or designing a part thats under stress, rounded corners perform better than sharp ones | 07:09 |
| Nerfiaux_ | i have marks on edges and that is all | 07:09 |
| Nerfiaux_ | Dirk has found a business, he wants a tohkbd V2 | 07:10 |
| salyavin | That's a real person for you :P | 07:11 |
| salyavin | Well maybe | 07:11 |
| salyavin | I think it would be very difficult to keep compatability and rise the cost of the phone. | 07:11 |
| covox | mmm... that downsides list | 07:12 |
| salyavin | You read the downsides right? | 07:12 |
| covox | I don't really agree with all of those | 07:12 |
| Nicd- | Nerfiaux_: this is already tohkbd version 2... :P | 07:12 |
| covox | e.g. I think beyond a point thickness reduction is a bad thing that compromises the stress resistance | 07:13 |
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| salyavin | like flexible iphone? | 07:14 |
| covox | yes :) | 07:14 |
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| Nerfiaux_ | Nicd-: right, for me v1 is a proto no mass production as v2 | 07:14 |
| covox | also to get stiffness up when you make an anorexic phone, you have to make it out of very heavy material | 07:15 |
| salyavin | battery size hmm maybe we need a Mugen battery TOH | 07:15 |
| salyavin | http://www.mugenbattery.com/mugen-power-extended-capacity-battery-2400mah-for-nokia-n900/ | 07:16 |
| Nerfiaux_ | jolla 2<=>tohkbd v3 | 07:16 |
| zutto | salyavin: that would be amazing :P | 07:16 |
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| Nerfiaux_ | i had this battery and died last may after years of services | 07:17 |
| Nicd- | mugen xl was awesome, I had it too | 07:17 |
| Nicd- | I really miss that battery life in my jolla | 07:17 |
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| Nerfiaux_ | did you try the solar toh ? | 07:20 |
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| zutto | the benefits that solar toh gives you isnt really that big :/ | 07:21 |
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| zutto | plus most of the jolla people will sit in offices all day long anyways | 07:21 |
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| salyavin | Maybe start a thread on TMO zutto and have them write mugen :P | 07:26 |
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| xkr47 | 24 minutes to gooo | 07:38 |
| tiwake | countdown++ | 07:39 |
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| inz | wouldn't -- make more sense? | 07:39 |
| tiwake | its my upvote for a countdown :P | 07:40 |
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| entil | I don't buy all dirk's arguments, because battery size probably isn't that relevant.. the jolla stock battery packs punch like a mugen from five years ago.. and not sure phone thickness and dimensions are that relevant if the phone is good, but having components in the same places might be a real technical problem | 07:40 |
| xkr47 | let's go complex, shall we? countdown += -1+i; | 07:41 |
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| entil | if jolla went with making new phones and breaking compatibility or partnering with someone who doesn't care about tohs (and why would they, they'd be crunching out two phones a year) that'd make other-halving just an expensive hobby | 07:41 |
| xkr47 | perhaps an adapter for toh-lovers? | 07:42 |
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| meklu | xkr47: countdown -= -(-1+i); | 07:44 |
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| entil | maybe an adaptr.. and in the future they could adopt magnets anyway ;) | 07:50 |
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| tiwake | 9 minutes | 07:52 |
| meklu | 7 minutes | 07:53 |
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| tiwake | 5min | 07:55 |
| Armadillo | 6 micro starter kits | 07:55 |
| Timo | Is it still running, the campaign? | 07:56 |
| tiwake | less than 5min left | 07:56 |
| Armadillo | some minutes to go | 07:56 |
| * Timo still hasn't bought one. | 07:56 | |
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| Timo | Well, maybe later. | 07:56 |
| tiwake | you still can | 07:56 |
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| tiwake | 3min | 07:57 |
| Timo | tiwake: Already have an Asus Transformer (1st gen) and everything that can't be done with that I do on my laptop... Don't need another MID. :P | 07:58 |
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| tiwake | oh alright :P | 07:58 |
| Timo | I'll probably regret that decision. :P | 07:59 |
| tiwake | 1min | 07:59 |
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| tiwake | 0 time left? | 07:59 |
| tiwake | weird | 07:59 |
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| tiwake | oh, their software must be off by one | 08:00 |
| tiwake | heh | 08:00 |
| tiwake | its closed now | 08:01 |
| tiwake | $1,824,030 raised | 08:02 |
| tiwake | nice | 08:02 |
| Timo | Nice score. | 08:03 |
| tiwake | wait, another $25 was processed after it was closed? | 08:03 |
| tiwake | weird | 08:03 |
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| Stskeeps | now the real fun starts :) | 08:05 |
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| tiwake | real fun has never stopped to start again | 08:05 |
| tiwake | Stskeeps: unless you mean a miniature party before everyone goes back to work twice as hard | 08:06 |
| tiwake | XD | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | tiwake: /me looks around | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | i don't see a party atm | 08:07 |
| * Timo is partying at home. | 08:07 | |
| Timo | Well, not really. I am happy for the sailors, though. ;) | 08:07 |
| tiwake | I had some coke and rum a bit ago, I suppose that kinda counts | 08:08 |
| Timo | It's more like time for coffee. | 08:08 |
| tiwake | time for bed for me :P | 08:08 |
| Timo | A cup of coffee just after dinner/before going to bed tastes just as good as any other time of the day, tiwake. ;) | 08:09 |
| tiwake | erm | 08:09 |
| tiwake | sorry, I kind of seriously detest coffee :P | 08:09 |
| Timo | Oh well. :P | 08:10 |
| Timo | Good night, anyway. | 08:10 |
| tiwake | setting up hotel reservations in april | 08:10 |
| tiwake | at the moment | 08:10 |
| tiwake | for a convention | 08:12 |
| Timo | Ah. | 08:12 |
| tiwake | http://www.babscon.com/ :P | 08:12 |
| Timo | Not my cup of tea, but if you like it. ;) | 08:13 |
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| salyavin | I see split screen will be released as a Q3 update, I think that is a good decision as it would likely either have delayed the tablet or been a buggy mess if rushed too much. | 08:15 |
| tiwake | sounds good to me | 08:17 |
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| tiwake | is jolla planning on hiring a few more people for tablet development? | 08:17 |
| tiwake | or OS or w/e | 08:18 |
| salyavin | towake preparing his resume? | 08:18 |
| tiwake | heh, no | 08:18 |
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| salyavin | I doubt the crowdfunding even will be enough to turn a profit on the tablet but it did generate buzz | 08:19 |
| tiwake | unless jolla is looking for a machine shop in USA to produce something | 08:19 |
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| salyavin | Did you get the case too? | 08:20 |
| tiwake | ..? | 08:20 |
| tiwake | what case? | 08:21 |
| salyavin | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet#2 | 08:21 |
| salyavin | I got an update when it was added via email some time back | 08:21 |
| tiwake | oh, yeah, I got one of those | 08:21 |
| tiwake | "enh, why not... it would be nice to have a nice cover, and its for jolla's crowdfunding" so I got it | 08:22 |
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| salyavin | Me too. I think it looks nice. | 08:23 |
| Teemu | machine shop sounds good | 08:23 |
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| tiwake | there is a chance I will be machining my own covers though out of aluminum and anodizing them myself | 08:23 |
| salyavin | Cool, yea you could probably make some nice custom covers | 08:24 |
| salyavin | maybe help with keyboard TOH v3 :P | 08:24 |
| tiwake | I have two different dyes, I plan on splash anodizing everything, and maybe some mask-anodizing too :3 | 08:25 |
| meklu | aluminum keycaps! ":D" | 08:25 |
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| tiwake | heh | 08:25 |
| Teemu | ink spot custom case | 08:25 |
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| Teemu | beware of anybody who actually sees anything in them | 08:26 |
| meklu | rorschach tests, eh? | 08:26 |
| salyavin | wow never heard of them or seen them before. inkspotmemphis.com right? | 08:26 |
| tiwake | I dont do molding or casting or stamping... | 08:26 |
| tiwake | a waterjet machine would be nice though | 08:27 |
| tiwake | I should get one | 08:27 |
| Teemu | salyavin: huh? i've got no idea on inkspotmemphis | 08:28 |
| salyavin | first google hit on inkspot case | 08:30 |
| salyavin | thought that was what you talked about | 08:31 |
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| lainwir3d | hi | 08:31 |
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| lainwir3d | hi | 08:31 |
| Teemu | was not but i may have to google it | 08:31 |
| Teemu | different 1st hit for me :) | 08:31 |
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| TheBootroo|work | Jolla IGG campaign is over now | 08:34 |
| TheBootroo|work | IMHO Jolla should extend it so that we can reach the 3G modem stretch goal | 08:34 |
| TheBootroo|work | i'm pretty certain that the awesome community could do it | 08:34 |
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| tiwake | if they had an M.2 interface, you could just plug in a 3G modem | 08:35 |
| tiwake | donno if they plan on having such a thing or not | 08:35 |
| TheBootroo|work | tiwake: anyway for my part i'll use the Wifi tethering from my Jolla Phone | 08:37 |
| AL13N_work | i thought there was USB host mode? | 08:37 |
| TheBootroo|work | but i know a lot of people that would buy the tablet only if it had 3G modem | 08:37 |
| AL13N_work | so, a usb modem could be plugged in, maybe? | 08:37 |
| TheBootroo|work | AL13N_work: Jolla Tablet HAS the USB OTG | 08:37 |
| Teemu | usb modem sounds awfully unhandy compared to using a phone hotspot for tablet connectivity | 08:38 |
| Teemu | awkward, even | 08:38 |
| tiwake | oh yeah, maybe... plus they might get USB 3.1 type C squeezed in | 08:38 |
| Teemu | things sticking out | 08:38 |
| tiwake | and that, yeah | 08:38 |
| tadzik | also, how many usb ports is it going to have? | 08:38 |
| tiwake | 5 XD | 08:38 |
| tiwake | lol | 08:39 |
| tadzik | may not be exactly handy to carry a usb hub in order to charge it while being online | 08:39 |
| xkr47 | \o/ for $1.824M =~ 1.475M€ | 08:39 |
| tiwake | oh good point | 08:40 |
| tiwake | I just want an M.2 for SSD, because I don't want to put in a microSD card for really low performance and much higher likelyness to fail | 08:41 |
| Teemu | so does the tablet have image output connector somehow mixed in with the usb? | 08:41 |
| tiwake | Teemu: with USB 3.1 type C it seems it has displayport built in | 08:42 |
| xkr47 | can you plug usb type a or b plug in usb 3.1 type c connector? | 08:43 |
| xkr47 | or will there be usb c <-> usb a and usb c <-> usb b cables ? | 08:43 |
| tiwake | https://together.jolla.com/question/63631/request-jolla-tablet-usb-31-type-c-port/ | 08:43 |
| Teemu | so when the usb get to u or x or something they will have incorporated every possible connection into it | 08:44 |
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| tiwake | nice, 4k video going through usb 3.1 type C | 08:47 |
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| Teemu | i think 4k and 5k are much better than the abcdetcxga family of video connections | 08:50 |
| Teemu | technically yes naturally but more so in the naming scheme of things | 08:50 |
| tiwake | oh yeah | 08:50 |
| tiwake | hdtv or somesuch nonsense | 08:50 |
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| tadzik | imho nothing else than resolutions make any sense | 08:51 |
| Teemu | i think it was good to get the "tv" out of it | 08:51 |
| tadzik | I ragequit from trying to understand this bullshit when I read about qHD and QGD | 08:51 |
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| tadzik | erm, qHD and QHD | 08:51 |
| tadzik | the first is jolla phone, the second is one of the two variants of 4k | 08:51 |
| tiwake | I mostly care about pixel density :P | 08:52 |
| tiwake | the jolla tablet is going to have really nice pixel density | 08:52 |
| Nicd- | https://together.jolla.com/question/60898/bug-keyboard-feedback-sounds-heard-when-zooming-in-some-apps/?answer=69476#post-id-69476 -- ouch | 08:52 |
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| tiwake | alright, sleep time | 08:54 |
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| Teemu | i'm just having breakfast | 08:57 |
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| chem|st | so igg is done... now wait for mwc and the J2 campaign ;) | 09:53 |
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| RavenholmDX | I'll back Jolla 2 on day one | 09:56 |
| RavenholmDX | providing it's decent hardware | 09:56 |
| Armadillo | chem|st don't be spooky | 09:57 |
| Nicd- | I hope there's no crowdfunding for jolla 2 | 09:57 |
| RavenholmDX | why not Nicd-? | 09:57 |
| mornfall | it's stressful :D | 09:57 |
| RavenholmDX | with the success of the tablet, I'd be surprised to see them go back to a traditional preorder model | 09:57 |
| RavenholmDX | but then again, they do end up giving a cut to Indiegogo | 09:58 |
| RavenholmDX | 9% I believe | 09:58 |
| mornfall | 4 | 09:58 |
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| RavenholmDX | I thought it's 9% if it's flexible funding? | 09:58 |
| Armadillo | plus credit card fees | 09:58 |
| ernesti | if successful 4% | 09:58 |
| mornfall | it's 9% for flexible funding *if* you fail to hit the goal | 09:58 |
| RavenholmDX | oh | 09:58 |
| Nicd- | because I think it's stupid for a product they anticipate will meet the goal anyway. then they'll just threaten not to give features until we give them more money like is usual with crowdfunding | 09:59 |
| Nicd- | I don't like it | 09:59 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: I don't like it either, but it works | 09:59 |
| mornfall | it's possibly also much cheaper for early backers this way | 09:59 |
| SK_work | was the ubuntu edge flexible funding ? | 09:59 |
| RavenholmDX | I mean, how successful of a company is Jolla? | 09:59 |
| chem|st | igg was a good example that jolla has no selfconfidence and no trust in their community, the most powerful community contributers in terms of linux and mobile is still and standing maemo.org! | 10:00 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: early adoptors paid €150 extra on the phone and still didn't get the features ... | 10:00 |
| SK_work | chem|st: are there enough Jolla enthusiasts on (talk.)maemo.org | 10:01 |
| SK_work | ? | 10:01 |
| pp_ | t-shirt! | 10:01 |
| SK_work | I'm not sure | 10:01 |
| chem|st | SK_work: what do you think nieldk came from? | 10:01 |
| SK_work | chem|st: one person don't make a crowdfunding project stands :) | 10:01 |
| SK_work | even if nieldk is a very nice member :) | 10:01 |
| ggabriel | SK_work: unless that person is bruce wayne :P | 10:02 |
| SK_work | plus, the fact that the Jolla 1 was dissapointing, Jolla might have lost many of their "followers" | 10:02 |
| SK_work | :D | 10:02 |
| RavenholmDX | Is J1 dissapointing? | 10:02 |
| chem|st | SK_work: I am not talking about backing a kickstarter, I am talking contributions | 10:02 |
| ggabriel | i appreciate the value of the publicity stunt | 10:02 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: indeed | 10:02 |
| * ggabriel likes the jolla fwiw | 10:02 | |
| RavenholmDX | I've only had mine a week, and really like it SK_work | 10:02 |
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| ggabriel | otoh, this battery thing yesterday may indicate that jolla doesn't want to invest money | 10:03 |
| SK_work | RavenholmDX: spec wise, it's bad :) | 10:03 |
| chem|st | SK_work: lots of people are more comfortable with tmo than using tjc | 10:03 |
| SK_work | chem|st: yeah, me included | 10:03 |
| ggabriel | SK_work: my sony xperia has better specs and yet is slower | 10:03 |
| ggabriel | explain that :P | 10:03 |
| SK_work | even if I feel that TJC and TMO are two orthogonal tools | 10:03 |
| ggabriel | i think tmo != tjc | 10:03 |
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| SK_work | chem|st: problem about contributions is that they are not channeled: what if nieldk pushed all his packages to Mer / Nemo | 10:04 |
| chem|st | SK_work: and that will stay that way, some developers don't even like tmo and are on IRC and ML only or even just ML | 10:04 |
| SK_work | that's too bad to have a split | 10:04 |
| chem|st | oh beware of that | 10:04 |
| SK_work | of what ? | 10:04 |
| chem|st | niel pushing all his packages to mer | 10:05 |
| SK_work | not saying Jolla is not to be blamed: we need more contribution guidelines | 10:05 |
| SK_work | chem|st: inside Mer core ? | 10:05 |
| SK_work | or Mer "Nieldk" ? | 10:05 |
| chem|st | core | 10:05 |
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| SK_work | ah ? | 10:06 |
| SK_work | really, that's awesome | 10:06 |
| chem|st | I installed some of his bash+X stuff and was lucky to have wlan on... so I could ssh in and "flying blind" enter commands to revert back | 10:06 |
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| mornfall | (I think there's misunderstanding going on...) | 10:07 |
| RavenholmDX | SK_work, I wouldn't say bad spec-wise | 10:07 |
| RavenholmDX | at the time, modest | 10:07 |
| chem|st | SK_work: he is not pushing to mer core... and I'd strongly advise not to do that without QA | 10:07 |
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| RavenholmDX | now, not so great | 10:07 |
| chem|st | mornfall: yeah | 10:07 |
| RavenholmDX | Jolla 2 needs to be 1080p | 10:07 |
| chem|st | RavenholmDX: you are drunk | 10:07 |
| RavenholmDX | how so? | 10:08 |
| ggabriel | "needs" | 10:08 |
| SK_work | chem|st: for some packages, there could be QA, Jolla-side | 10:08 |
| mornfall | all it needs is better specs | 10:08 |
| RavenholmDX | screen resolution is a spec | 10:08 |
| ggabriel | you can't see so much detail | 10:08 |
| ggabriel | unless you aren't human | 10:08 |
| mornfall | RavenholmDX: 1080 as a mandatory minimum is bullshit though | 10:08 |
| RavenholmDX | of course you can ggabriel | 10:08 |
| ggabriel | really? | 10:08 |
| RavenholmDX | I came from a Nexus 5 | 10:08 |
| chem|st | mornfall: but resolution isn't the thing... have it readable in bright sunlight will get you attention though | 10:09 |
| RavenholmDX | even a Nexus 4 is a bit too pixelated from my liking | 10:09 |
| RavenholmDX | for my* | 10:09 |
| chem|st | RavenholmDX: 330ppi is just fine | 10:09 |
| mornfall | 250dpi with good contrast and sunlight readability beats 330dpi on a shitty IPS any day | 10:09 |
| ggabriel | better quality screen would be better than detail i can't see with my [human] eyes | 10:10 |
| chem|st | RavenholmDX: the world is not about screen size, it is abour density | 10:10 |
| ggabriel | you can always hold the phone 10cm away from your eyes, but what's the point of that, it beats me | 10:10 |
| RavenholmDX | ggabriel, think you need an optometrist visit | 10:11 |
| chem|st | mornfall: even 1600ppi (1.2µm raster) | 10:11 |
| ggabriel | RavenholmDX: i really don't think you can see so much detail without having the phone very close to your eyes | 10:11 |
| RavenholmDX | of course you can | 10:11 |
| ggabriel | iirc, the human eyes can see detial up to 0.1mm | 10:11 |
| SK_work | ggabriel: you hold your phone close to your eyes | 10:11 |
| RavenholmDX | on Nexus 5 I could pretty much view desktop webpages without a need to zoom in | 10:12 |
| ggabriel | so, do the math | 10:12 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: 0.1mm is *huge* :D | 10:12 |
| SK_work | especially when you go to sleep :) | 10:12 |
| chem|st | RavenholmDX: there are factual limits to the human eye, most of what you see is what your brain interpolates from snippets | 10:12 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: you can see raster much smaller than that | 10:12 |
| ggabriel | SK_work: well, read above.... why would i want ot hold the phone very close to my eyes? | 10:12 |
| SK_work | ggabriel: because you are lying on your bed, and your arms tired :d | 10:12 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: well, maybe not much... but .1mm is still definitely recognizable | 10:12 |
| ggabriel | SK_work: ok, so some people want 1080p to appreciate the phone when in bed | 10:13 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: and the resolution of perception is more importantly measured in pixels per angular area, not per mm | 10:13 |
| ggabriel | get a tablet instead | 10:13 |
| SK_work | ggabriel: :D | 10:13 |
| ggabriel | mornfall: i think i read that measurement on the assumption that your vision field is flat and that's where you calculate the .1mm, but not sure tbh | 10:13 |
| SK_work | well, that's how I would appreciate 1080p phone | 10:13 |
| ggabriel | there is a limit tho | 10:13 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: .1mm only matters at a fixed distance | 10:14 |
| ggabriel | SK_work: agree on that one | 10:14 |
| RavenholmDX | If Jolla 2 isn't 1080p | 10:14 |
| RavenholmDX | they'll be making a big mistake | 10:14 |
| RavenholmDX | look beyond your needs | 10:14 |
| RavenholmDX | the device will be a laughing stock | 10:14 |
| mornfall | well, a fullhd screen will need 4G of RAM will need ARM64 | 10:14 |
| ggabriel | ...and more battery | 10:14 |
| RavenholmDX | what are you on about? | 10:14 |
| RavenholmDX | Nexus 5 doesn't have 4GB of RAM or a 64 bit processor | 10:15 |
| ilpianista | app submitted 11 days ago and still didn't approved/rejected :-( | 10:15 |
| ggabriel | nexus 5 is rubbish | 10:15 |
| RavenholmDX | HAHAHA | 10:15 |
| SK_work | I would like some nice resolution, not huge resolution. But I'm not against more CPU, more RAM and more batt | 10:15 |
| chem|st | RavenholmDX: again, talking like that is unqualified BS... you are about ppi and not about resolution | 10:15 |
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| SK_work | ilpianista: ping nazanin on #sailfishos | 10:15 |
| ilpianista | SK_work: ok, thanks | 10:15 |
| chem|st | RavenholmDX: and nexus has another big problem, android! | 10:16 |
| ggabriel | you can run sailfish on the nexus 5 | 10:16 |
| ggabriel | with a bit of work | 10:16 |
| RavenholmDX | or Ubuntu Touch | 10:16 |
| SK_work | the biggest problem ATM with Nexus 5 is: Android Lollipop | 10:16 |
| SK_work | D: | 10:16 |
| chem|st | ilpianista: guess they are occupied with u10 | 10:16 |
| chem|st | SK_work: ;) | 10:16 |
| SK_work | it's just bad | 10:16 |
| ggabriel | it's also made by lg, which makes good fridges | 10:16 |
| SK_work | so bad | 10:16 |
| ggabriel | so, reception is very bad | 10:17 |
| SK_work | I hate it on my N7 | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | but you get 1080p | 10:17 |
| chem|st | RavenholmDX: you must be really drunk or out of drugs or something... you are talking nexus and ubuntu here! | 10:17 |
| ilpianista | chem|st: in that case I'll wait quietly :-) | 10:17 |
| RavenholmDX | You guys are lying to yourselves if you think Jolla 2 doesn't need to at least match last gen phones when it launches | 10:17 |
| SK_work | well, let's talk ubuntu :D | 10:17 |
| SK_work | release soon (c) | 10:17 |
| SK_work | same as Tizen | 10:17 |
| Teemu | how am i supposed to know if kitkat or lollipop or ice cream or sundae are newer versions? | 10:17 |
| SK_work | RavenholmDX: yep | 10:17 |
| SK_work | but don't know if 1080p is last-gen | 10:17 |
| SK_work | or just some gadget stuff | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | haha, the levels of cynicism are too dam high | 10:17 |
| SK_work | I want a good phone spec wise | 10:17 |
| mornfall | iphone6 is far from fullhd on a screen bigger than jolla | 10:17 |
| chem|st | ilpianista: no, ping them! they just made $1.7M | 10:17 |
| RavenholmDX | mornfall, iPhone 6+ is full HD | 10:18 |
| chem|st | ilpianista: if they cannot hire someone for QA now they are doing something wrong | 10:18 |
| * ggabriel votes for 4K jolla 2 | 10:18 | |
| mornfall | Armadillo: on a 5.5" display | 10:18 |
| mornfall | eh | 10:18 |
| mornfall | RavenholmDX: on a 5.5" display | 10:18 |
| * ggabriel votes for 4K jolla 2 on a 4" display | 10:18 | |
| RavenholmDX | iPhone 6 (regular) looks pixelated to me by the way | 10:18 |
| mornfall | RavenholmDX: suure :) | 10:19 |
| sjtoik | it's not cost effective to have a cutting edge technology | 10:19 |
| RavenholmDX | mornfall, once you get used to a high PPI device | 10:19 |
| RavenholmDX | it's harder to go back | 10:19 |
| RavenholmDX | sjtoik, 1080p screens aren't cutting edge any more | 10:19 |
| RavenholmDX | they were last generation | 10:20 |
| chem|st | RavenholmDX: you know what I find very hard these days... that people think 1080p is what they need... so we get 60" LCDs with 1080p... phones with 1080p when the actual thing is we need >300ppi | 10:20 |
| Teemu | there are seven billion people on the planet, more than half of which have a cellphone, how many of those are having >300ppi and thus could not tolerate anything less? | 10:20 |
| mornfall | yeah, 1080p is way too underpowered for a 22" LCD | 10:20 |
| mornfall | but it's overpowered for a 4" phone | 10:20 |
| Teemu | mornfall: + | 10:20 |
| Nicd- | well, monitors are going into the retina territory finally | 10:21 |
| chem|st | mornfall: I want 4k x 3k on 30"... | 10:21 |
| Nicd- | like laptops | 10:21 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: show me :) | 10:21 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: I want a desktop panel actually, though | 10:21 |
| Teemu | all are going to the retina territory eventually | 10:21 |
| flux | it's not about dpi, it's not about resolution, it's not about size, it's about pixel angle?-) | 10:21 |
| RavenholmDX | Well, my money is on Jolla 2 being 5 inches | 10:21 |
| sjtoik | RavenholmDX: oh ok. don't care that much. i just hope that the battery life stays the same. | 10:21 |
| mornfall | the smallest VA panel with 4K is what, 30"? | 10:21 |
| Nicd- | mornfall: imac retina, I'm expecting others to follow | 10:21 |
| flux | (though I suppose it's nice to have lots of pixels as well) | 10:21 |
| Nicd- | the imac is 5k on 27" | 10:22 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: that's IPS junk :( | 10:22 |
| Teemu | question is, does jolla need to be there among the first or are there perhaps something more important in a phone/tablet | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | then it turns out that jolla2 is a 7.85" phablet? | 10:22 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: with abysmal contrast | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 10:22 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: ;) | 10:22 |
| Nicd- | mornfall: but it has to start somewhere | 10:22 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: do that, older people like that I heard! | 10:22 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: well, yes, but I wish it was progressing a little faster :) | 10:22 |
| Nicd- | there are now plenty of high-res laptops and the rest moved to full hd after apple's retina push | 10:22 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: it's been a few years since we got 400ppi screens on phones | 10:23 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: but we have to live with 100ppi on desktop | 10:23 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: and add a transformer kbd to it so I can finally ditch my netbook! | 10:23 |
| Nicd- | mornfall: yeah, but desktop != laptop != phone. it happens separately for all of them | 10:23 |
| Teemu | mornfall: i still remember then 720x348 pixels on a 12" screen was high res | 10:23 |
| Nicd- | but I don't think it's going to be long before it happens on desktop too | 10:23 |
| Teemu | soonish | 10:23 |
| mornfall | Teemu: yeah, well, I had a 14" CRT with 640x480... so yes | 10:24 |
| sjtoik | two yearish | 10:24 |
| Teemu | not quarterly soonish though | 10:24 |
| Teemu | soonish in the more realworld soonish | 10:24 |
| mornfall | Teemu: and a PAL TV hooked into Atari long before that :P | 10:24 |
| Nicd- | mornfall: http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&sku=up275k3 | 10:24 |
| Teemu | most things take a few years or so and steps are pretty small | 10:24 |
| chem|st | mornfall: I hook my atari to a 40" samsungLED... the picture processing of the samsung does an awesome job^^ | 10:25 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: hmm, what panel technolgy is that? (also, I probably don't have that kind of money) | 10:26 |
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| Nicd- | no idea | 10:27 |
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| Teemu | nvm, it is all dirt cheap | 10:27 |
| mornfall | about a $1000 plus VAT, it seems | 10:27 |
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| Teemu | there was a time that could not buy a bad quality 17" crt | 10:27 |
| mornfall | my current VA panels were like $300 for a pair :-) | 10:28 |
| Teemu | now i'm purposefully being an old fart in here | 10:28 |
| Teemu | anyhow just keep in mind how fast the whole ict tech is going and remember to think "welcome to the future" every now and then when you're streaming your favourite series to your remote campsite somewhere in yellowstone | 10:29 |
| mornfall | Teemu: that particular future didn't arrive here yet :-) | 10:29 |
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| mornfall | unless you carry a really big antenna and pay exorbitant sums for a data plan, at least | 10:30 |
| Teemu | dunno what kind of net coverage you get in there | 10:30 |
| Teemu | in herewise you get pretty good coverage to most of finland except at parts of lapland you need to climb up a fjäll | 10:31 |
| Teemu | then you can take selfies to instagram | 10:31 |
| mornfall | yes, we are lucky to get 2G in large swaths of the country :-) | 10:31 |
| Teemu | where's that? | 10:31 |
| mornfall | .cz | 10:31 |
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| [MikeAce] | hi. | 10:32 |
| [MikeAce] | yeah, we have splitscreen! :-) | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | woo. | 10:33 |
| [MikeAce] | i would love to see a graph of how the project developed on kickstarter over time. | 10:34 |
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| [MikeAce] | does anybody know of a graph-view on indiegogo? | 10:34 |
| [MikeAce] | probably only for the campaign owners... | 10:35 |
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| j-doge | [MikeAce]: campaign owners have access to the graphs, I guess you could ask in t.j.c for some if you want to see them | 10:39 |
| kimmoli | http://crowdlogs.com/project/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla | 10:46 |
| kimmoli | but tablet is not there (yet?) | 10:46 |
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| kimmoli | iekku: ping, can you pong me when the tohid's are in the system, so i can give some products to happy customers... | 10:55 |
| [MikeAce] | cool. Thats what i hoped for :-) A site which gathers this information periodically and polishes the data graphically :-) | 10:55 |
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| tadzik | hey Nicd- | 11:00 |
| tadzik | how should I set up my weechat relay so weecrap can connect to it? | 11:00 |
| Nicd- | like with any relay client. you need an open port, set a password and I strongly suggest SSL/TLS | 11:01 |
| tadzik | yeah, I set ssl on server and choose tls on the client | 11:01 |
| Nicd- | remember to make it a 'weechat' relay, not 'irc' | 11:01 |
| tadzik | ah | 11:01 |
| tadzik | yeah, I did. /relay add ssl.weechat <port> | 11:02 |
| tadzik | password is not set though, hm | 11:02 |
| Nicd- | I think the app requires a password at this stage | 11:02 |
| Nicd- | no sense in not having it though | 11:02 |
| tadzik | I wish weechat help would say anything about the password | 11:02 |
| Nicd- | /set relay.network.password | 11:03 |
| tadzik | yeah, got it | 11:05 |
| tadzik | now, does "error -21 Could not negotiate a supported cipher suite." ring a bell? :) | 11:05 |
| mornfall | jpnurmi: (people talking of irc relays) how's znc with per-client buffer replay going? :-) | 11:05 |
| tadzik | Nicd-: ^ | 11:05 |
| Nicd- | tadzik: let's take it to a query | 11:06 |
| Nicd- | paste me the errors you get | 11:06 |
| tadzik | okay | 11:06 |
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| sqozz | wait, didn't i catch something? There is a weechat relay client app for sailfish? Native or the android thingy? | 11:08 |
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| zutto | native | 11:10 |
| zutto | but it doesnt work yet afaik | 11:10 |
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| zutto | the android weechat-relay works (latest dev atleast) | 11:10 |
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| zutto | i've been using it, no problems | 11:10 |
| sqozz | oh wow.. where can i find it? | 11:10 |
| zutto | moment | 11:11 |
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| zutto | https://github.com/ubergeek42/weechat-android | 11:11 |
| mornfall | I tried weechat, but I'm probably stuck with irssi for life. :P | 11:11 |
| zutto | readme has links for precompiled apk | 11:11 |
| sqozz | the android app periodically crashes for me | 11:11 |
| Nicd- | sqozz: I'm developing a native one | 11:11 |
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| Nicd- | it is nearing an alpha release | 11:11 |
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| zutto | sqozz: the dev version doesnt crash for me | 11:11 |
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| zutto | and the developers of that android relay are quite active | 11:11 |
| Nicd- | just worked on the buffer events last weekend actually | 11:11 |
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| sqozz | Nicd-: cool think.. me and a friend also, i think you're first ;) | 11:11 |
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| Nicd- | sqozz: :O | 11:12 |
| zutto | :P | 11:12 |
| Nicd- | sqozz: do you have a release? | 11:12 |
| Nicd- | or code somewhere | 11:12 |
| sqozz | "thing" i mean! | 11:12 |
| zutto | Nicd-: have you considered renaming it btw? | 11:12 |
| sqozz | should be on github somewhere, wait | 11:12 |
| Nicd- | zutto: weecrapp is just the working name :) I will have to think of a name for the store | 11:12 |
| Nicd- | sqozz: mine is at https://bitbucket.org/vincit/harbour-weechatrelay/overview | 11:12 |
| zutto | good, good | 11:12 |
| sqozz | Nicd-: hey, here it is: https://github.com/Bytewerk/WeeRC | 11:13 |
| zutto | the weecrap name doesnt really sound too attractive :P | 11:13 |
| jpnurmi | mornfall: done :) | 11:15 |
| mornfall | jpnurmi: so is it hitting a stable release soon? :-) | 11:15 |
| Nicd- | sqozz: I have photos here: https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/110693235602405640560/albums/6035244761581630129 | 11:16 |
| sqozz | Nicd-: actually it's more a lib than a native app | 11:16 |
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| jpnurmi | mornfall: it's an external module for now at least, and requires the latest znc dev. i'm expecting the next version of znc to be released soon | 11:17 |
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| Nicd- | sqozz: a lib for the protocol? | 11:17 |
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| mornfall | jpnurmi: great | 11:28 |
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| Tegu | took jolla to repair. it is said to take around 2 weeks, but will see.. | 11:31 |
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| sqozz | Nicd-: jep, first step was to create a lib and after that, the interface which communitates with the lib | 11:33 |
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| Nicd- | mine is pretty quick and dirty. it serializes all input into QVariants which are transformed into JavaScript objects for the frontend | 11:33 |
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| sqozz | i don't know what exactly whats behind the linked.. i'm more the initiator of the idea, the code comes from someone else from our hackerspace ;) | 11:36 |
| Nicd- | maybe you can link them my code :) and see what they think of it | 11:36 |
| sqozz | atm i write code, which formats the weechat colorcodes into html | 11:36 |
| sqozz | already did that :P | 11:37 |
| Nicd- | I just did that | 11:37 |
| Nicd- | although it does not convert them to StyledText yet, only an internal representation | 11:37 |
| Nicd- | here: https://bitbucket.org/vincit/harbour-weechatrelay/src/650ef57a58a9c349d7db110563dfcba78ac68e9f/qml/js/weechatcolors.js?at=master | 11:37 |
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| sqozz | do you know the existing of glowingbear? it's a javascript relayclient.. maybe you could take some code from there ;) | 11:39 |
| Nicd- | yeah, I'm using it right now | 11:39 |
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| Nicd- | but the code wasn't that easy to read plus I suffer from NIH syndrome so I wrote my own once I figure out it would be easy to do with regex | 11:40 |
| Nicd- | figured* | 11:40 |
| sqozz | yeah, same applied to me :) my approach is to read the text char by char and react to the different indicator bits like 0x19 for the color | 11:43 |
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| Nicd- | yeah, I started with that but it got unwieldy for me quickly | 11:45 |
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| iekku | kimmoli, where did you send it, can't find it | 12:05 |
| iekku | kimmoli, found it. | 12:06 |
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| kimmoli | iekku: good. | 12:54 |
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| Teemu | Nicd-: what which when where you're doing with regexen? | 12:55 |
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| inte | oh, the indiego campaing is over | 12:57 |
| inte | i thought it would finish tonight (CET) | 12:57 |
| inte | but cool, the sold 7051 devices | 12:58 |
| inte | not too bad for the beginning | 12:58 |
| inte | :) | 12:58 |
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| SK_work | Now, gives us more info | 13:00 |
| SK_work | HW ? SW ? Roadmap ? | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | wait for it.. | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | iz coming | 13:02 |
| kimmoli | hmm.. FPGA interfaced with pcix to soc, and 200 IO pins | 13:03 |
| Teemu | what? cool | 13:03 |
| ggabriel | robotic arm | 13:04 |
| SK_work | picoprojector | 13:04 |
| SK_work | holographic UI | 13:04 |
| SK_work | brain-sensor | 13:05 |
| SK_work | pressure sensor | 13:05 |
| tbr | anal probe? | 13:05 |
| ggabriel | gp probe | 13:05 |
| ggabriel | with self cleaning | 13:05 |
| tbr | +1 | 13:05 |
| Teemu | robotic arm was cool for a week or so until it became all too clear that it just repeats sequences of directives without any feedback to see if the directives had the wanted action | 13:06 |
| Teemu | ... something like 30 years back | 13:06 |
| Teemu | cannot remember exactly | 13:06 |
| ggabriel | Teemu: that works for fetching beer from the fridge | 13:06 |
| Teemu | uPa or Prosessori had an article on a hobby robotic arm and thus we had it at home | 13:06 |
| ggabriel | i'm sure there'll be other uses too | 13:06 |
| Teemu | if you put the beers in meticulously the correct placement | 13:07 |
| Teemu | millimeters off and it'll just drop them all | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | Teemu: true, ok, we need sensors, lots of them | 13:07 |
| Teemu | feedback, closed loop, with short and long loops, lots of boring control theory and even more boring state machines | 13:07 |
| Teemu | also i prefer to prepare the caffeinated bewerage of choice manually anyway | 13:08 |
| Teemu | however i'm very interested in taking full control and automation of the generic house technology we are already using en masse, air vents, fans, heating, cooling, all that interconnected with other tech silos of today: locks, hazard detector networks, intrusion detection etc | 13:09 |
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| Teemu | also something on-topic about jolla/sailfishos: i'd like to see the api for using accounts opened enough that your 3rd party open source apps could use it without signing an nda | 13:17 |
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| Teemu | so that the browser could sign me on g+ and twitter and others if i've told the phone of my accounts | 13:18 |
| tadzik | aww yiss | 13:18 |
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| Armadillo | Teemu there is an API which can be used via signing an nda? | 13:18 |
| Teemu | Armadillo: not the faintest idea | 13:18 |
| Teemu | some apps are using the account info | 13:19 |
| Armadillo | :D | 13:19 |
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| Teemu | so probably some api exists somewhere somewhen | 13:19 |
| Armadillo | apps from harbour? | 13:19 |
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| Teemu | some apps such as the email app and the internal twitter app and the messaging app | 13:19 |
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| Teemu | i can chat with some people on g+ hangouts | 13:19 |
| Armadillo | those are apps from Jolla itself | 13:20 |
| Teemu | yes and this is a problem why? | 13:20 |
| SK_work | there is API | 13:20 |
| tbr | you can create new accounts, IIRC there is open source code for account creation and foo. just not harbour kosher. | 13:20 |
| SK_work | the problem about it is the privileged stuff | 13:20 |
| tbr | priviledged → not harbour kosher | 13:20 |
| SK_work | yep, not allowed in harbour because of the privileged stuff | 13:20 |
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| Armadillo | SK_work ok, with other words we highly need harbour allowed APIs for accounts, calendar and messaging | 13:21 |
| Armadillo | ^^ | 13:21 |
| Teemu | i'm not following, this must be somehow linked to the technical architecture and has nearly no relevance on my actual problem :) | 13:21 |
| tbr | Armadillo: nope, it's more complicated | 13:22 |
| Teemu | perhaps it needs some amount of encapsulation before they can be exposed or something | 13:22 |
| Armadillo | tbr sure, this was a summary ;) | 13:22 |
| Nicd- | Teemu: I'm parsing WeeChat protocol color and attribute codes with regex | 13:22 |
| tbr | Armadillo: a bad summary, as it misrepresents the problems at hand, that's my point. | 13:22 |
| Armadillo | well this is from a app developer view | 13:24 |
| tbr | the need is for the accounts system to be opened for 3rd party developers, yes | 13:25 |
| tbr | simple as that | 13:25 |
| Teemu | i'm speaking from app user view and from my viewpoint there is nearly no coherence in this, some preinstalled apps work nicely with accounts and then the browser clearly has no idea | 13:25 |
| Teemu | how to actually open it up might be technically complex | 13:26 |
| Teemu | it needs to ne reasonably safe, easy to use from app developer point of view, whole enough to not change a whole lot all of the time etc etc etc | 13:27 |
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| ahjolinna | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/12/modular-smartphone-ara-rival-ubuntu-touch | 14:26 |
| ahjolinna | Title: New Modular Ara-like Phone Hopes to Offer Ubuntu, SailfishOS | 14:26 |
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| tadzik | legother half | 14:28 |
| RavenholmDX | Looks interesting | 14:31 |
| RavenholmDX | I can't see Google Ara ever being a thing | 14:31 |
| RavenholmDX | but would be cool to see something similar come to market | 14:31 |
| AL13N_work | well, at least it offers SailfishOS | 14:32 |
| tadzik | the alternative does, not ara, afaiu | 14:32 |
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| chem|st | ahjolinna: twitter reads like "go sailfish" | 14:35 |
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| * pahartik would like to know if there is way to turn display on when proximity sensor is blocked and incoming voice call is in queue | 15:05 | |
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| Teemu | such as when the phone is in a waterproof sleeve? | 15:07 |
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| ln- | the power button, three times, or something. never tried. | 15:07 |
| ikarus | two quick questions, can I have my jolla phone use an external bluetooth modem (shows as a phone via bluetooth) to get online and 2 is there an alternative terminal emulator, the devel one is a bit mediocre | 15:08 |
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| pahartik | ln-: Tried again by rapidly clicking power button several times, does not seem to help | 15:13 |
| ln- | another way could be to unblock the proximity sensor | 15:14 |
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| Teemu | in the case of waterproofing, no, not really | 15:15 |
| pahartik | ln-: It seems next update might contain that power button feature | 15:19 |
| ln- | ok, so i wasn't imagining it | 15:19 |
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| coderus | omg, 34 euro pull case for Jolla (yes, it's not Flip case as described, Flip case is http://shop.jolla.com/eu_en/cat-accessories/insmat-flip-case-for-jolla.html) | 15:46 |
| coderus | for 34 euro i can get > 20 pull cases with custom prints using my images on ebay | 15:47 |
| ggabriel | coderus: you forgot to mention that it's made of paper | 15:51 |
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| Teemu | the insmat one? | 15:52 |
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| coderus | paper? omg tiwce then | 15:53 |
| coderus | cool, of course it's very cool | 15:53 |
| coderus | but | 15:53 |
| coderus | not practical? | 15:53 |
| tadzik | wait wait | 15:53 |
| tadzik | 34€ for a phone condom made of paper? | 15:53 |
| coderus | isn't it will be destroyed very quickly? | 15:53 |
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| tadzik | it'd better be made of 20€ banknotes | 15:55 |
| tadzik | where can I buy this beauty? | 15:55 |
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| Stskeeps | http://shop.jolla.com/fi_fi/cat-accessories/mapbagrag-flip-case-for-jolla-code.html ? | 15:55 |
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| ggabriel | yup | 15:55 |
| ggabriel | This unique Flip case for Jolla is hand-made of paper by mapbagrag | 15:56 |
| ggabriel | paper can be strong fwiw | 15:56 |
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| ggabriel | not sure how well it will resist moisture though | 15:56 |
| tadzik | it's environmentally friendly, so more expensive, like with organic food :) | 15:56 |
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| ggabriel | i cna undersstand that | 15:56 |
| tadzik | or those indie-colas you can buy in burger bars | 15:57 |
| tadzik | fairy nuff | 15:57 |
| ggabriel | but i'd rather something non env friendly that lasts a lot | 15:57 |
| ggabriel | than something env friendly that i have to rebuy every time it rains | 15:57 |
| tadzik | to each their own, I guess :) | 15:57 |
| tadzik | not that I don't concur | 15:57 |
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| ggabriel | well, if you have to recycle something 100 times, it ends being env friendly | 15:57 |
| ggabriel | recycling is tricky because there's energy used in recycling | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | anyway | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | i haven't "seen it with my hands" | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | so i can't say much excpet that maybe the prod description needs a little bit more assurance about the resiliency of the product | 15:58 |
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| chem|st | ggabriel: it is washable | 16:06 |
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| chem|st | the german site of mapbagrag has more choices than the jolla ones (for jolla) | 16:07 |
| chem|st | don't know if just the page did not load or there is no english site for jolla | 16:08 |
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| ggabriel | fair, says so in the specs | 16:14 |
| ggabriel | still :) | 16:14 |
| chem|st | only people designing money do not know how to make waterresistant paper... (euros...) | 16:15 |
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| AL13N_work | time to launder the money | 16:28 |
| japa-fi | In order to use the inphone GPS by any app, I have to agree on my phone sending nokia back information on what WLAN APs are detected nearby? | 16:30 |
| japa-fi | (Settings -> location -> enableing it shows such item..) | 16:30 |
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| Teemu | why would it send nokia info? | 16:32 |
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| japa-fi | "HERE" - thought it's nokias thing | 16:33 |
| Teemu | funny though it's not possible to enably only gps location and decidedly not enable the wlan ap location | 16:33 |
| AL13N_work | hmm, the shop has almost all accessories out of stock | 16:33 |
| japa-fi | i hate giving up any information on myself to 3rd parties. One of the reasons I didn't want to go with Android / iPhone | 16:34 |
| japa-fi | And I'd rather pay the apps by money than with my privacy | 16:34 |
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| japa-fi | (how come so many of the android apps require your location info (the more accurate) though the app has nothing to do with navigation nor anything location based) | 16:35 |
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| Teemu | oh like the flashlights? | 16:36 |
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| Teemu | they're just evil and require your soul for the heck of it | 16:36 |
| AL13N_work | they need location to see if you're running this in daylight or night... :-) | 16:37 |
| japa-fi | :) | 16:37 |
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| mornfall | most flashlight android apps are spyware | 16:39 |
| mornfall | even the jolla flashlight app was spyware :D | 16:39 |
| mornfall | japa-fi: although most ad-supported apps will need location info because their ad provider needs it | 16:40 |
| chem|st | spyware==data-farming | 16:40 |
| japa-fi | Anyway, I'm one the the paranoid ones (even before snowden revelations). Perhaps I just should stop worrying and join facebook, install gazillion privacy invading apps and let it go. Can't be that painful as millions are doing it. | 16:40 |
| chem|st | is what you are saying... | 16:40 |
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| chem|st | japa-fi: they already have your data | 16:41 |
| mornfall | japa-fi: yeah, just give in, it'll hurt less if you don't fight it | 16:41 |
| SK_work | use my jolla-settings-torch | 16:41 |
| SK_work | guaranteed no spyware | 16:41 |
| mornfall | SK_work: you should get it into harbour though | 16:41 |
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| mornfall | (i.e. beat jolla until they accept it) | 16:41 |
| chem|st | japa-fi: my problem is that as long as I have friends that do not care, I might as well just post my contact card to reddit | 16:42 |
| SK_work | mornfall: no, settings plugin = no harbour | 16:42 |
| mornfall | SK_work: maybe the harbour policies are hurting more than helping at this point | 16:43 |
| japa-fi | mornfall do you refer to the jolla flashlight by artem.macheko ? (and how did you find out?) | 16:43 |
| Teemu | chem|st: my email address has been the same from since beginning of time and other contact details have been around long enough that they're all harvested long before google started | 16:43 |
| mornfall | japa-fi: there's been a pretty big rucus about it, hard to miss | 16:43 |
| chem|st | japa-fi: it used to send data home in the initial release iirc | 16:43 |
| mornfall | chem|st: if all that facebook had on you was a contact card, they'd be pretty poor | 16:44 |
| chem|st | Teemu: google is one thing, they have a commercial interest in your data and behaviour patterns, the other thing is when .gov starts to take interest in it | 16:45 |
| Teemu | my point is, my info was already harvested by everybody so while i'm not in fecesbox it really does nothing to my privacy | 16:46 |
| Teemu | google has it, ms has it, nokia has it, all the .govs in the world have it, everyone has it | 16:46 |
| mornfall | Teemu: again, facebook & co. harvest *much*, *much* more data than your contact info | 16:46 |
| Teemu | yes they do | 16:47 |
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| mornfall | (even cursor movement is probably included, whenever they can get it) | 16:47 |
| Teemu | big govs do log the fat pipes so hanging out in irc does very little for privacy | 16:47 |
| chem|st | mornfall: they analyse every step you take sure, analyse pictures and so on... | 16:48 |
| mornfall | IRC isn't commercially interesting though | 16:48 |
| Teemu | its the smaller than that but still big players that need to track your cursor on the web pages etc | 16:48 |
| chem|st | ghostery is what helps with that | 16:48 |
| Teemu | but yes, that's why the fecesbox like -button needs cpu power on every web page you surf even when you're not liking anything | 16:49 |
| japa-fi | chem|st, have a look/listen to Mikko Hypponen's last TED talk. He goes on to say something along the lines: Google invests $2billion each quarter to new data centers and they still make profit. You don't pay for their services (with money). | 16:49 |
| japa-fi | They make profit. Your info is valuable | 16:49 |
| Teemu | mornfall: doesn't matter, the governments capture and analyse it at the fat pipe level that just happens to include irc :) | 16:49 |
| chem|st | japa-fi: whatsapp was a pretty cheap deal as it was some around $16 per useraccount, usually you pay >$20 | 16:50 |
| mornfall | yeah, think Skype :-) | 16:50 |
| mornfall | they got what, $30? | 16:51 |
| chem|st | yeah, minecraft too (MS is paying good for accounts) | 16:51 |
| japa-fi | Don't have whatsapp either, I'm consdering telegraph (telegraph.org), but I don't trust them. "Yes, it's free. No, we wont' sell your data" | 16:53 |
| chem|st | japa-fi: I have a jabber.org account... that's about it | 16:54 |
| japa-fi | Yeah, right. What's the business case then? | 16:54 |
| japa-fi | There is no free lunch | 16:54 |
| japa-fi | And what's with Vyber (or viper, what ever)? I mean, you get the same stuff with SIP client, (softphone) | 16:54 |
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| japa-fi | Just that one needs to register and to enter manually all friend contact information instead of the app sucking all users contact data and making the connections for you | 16:55 |
| japa-fi | btw. Just last week I needed to call USA 1-800 number. Didn't feel like paying for it, so I fired up my N900 SIP vlient, used VOIP to PSTN gateway that allows free calling to 800 numbers and I was set. Cool! | 16:56 |
| AL13N_work | don't international 800 numbers also be free? | 16:57 |
| japa-fi | AL13N_work, It wasn't international 800 number, free only inside usa. | 16:58 |
| AL13N_work | 1-800 isn't free outside USA? | 16:58 |
| AL13N_work | that's just weird | 16:58 |
| Teemu | japa-fi: oh hey but "don't be evil" was trustworthy, wasn't it? | 16:58 |
| inte | AL13N_work: 00800 | 16:59 |
| inte | thats free | 16:59 |
| inte | from anywhere | 16:59 |
| AL13N_work | heh, for real | 16:59 |
| inte | (except for satellite phone probably) | 16:59 |
| japa-fi | Teemu, "don't be evil" -> "Don't get gaught being evil" | 16:59 |
| AL13N_work | i thought 800 numbers were always free in all countries | 16:59 |
| inte | ;) | 16:59 |
| AL13N_work | i've never dialed +800 before | 16:59 |
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| tbr | no, only 00800, which is quite special | 16:59 |
| tbr | amazon had one of these 10 years ago | 17:00 |
| japa-fi | ACtually, I wasn't even able to dial that 800 number. | 17:00 |
| tbr | country specific toll free and special rate numbers are a nightmare when you try to reach them from abroad | 17:00 |
| AL13N_work | so, in short you have a US voip trunk | 17:00 |
| tbr | sometimes a toll free number when dialled from abroad might cost you more than a regular land line call, as it will be counted as "special" by your operator | 17:01 |
| AL13N_work | btr: it's rejected from abroad often? | 17:01 |
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| tbr | other times they are unreachable or routing is broken or you get weird behaviour | 17:02 |
| japa-fi | I have voip account on iptel.org and they offer free calls to free US PSTN numbers | 17:02 |
| japa-fi | (along with other VOIP-VOIP calls etc etc.) | 17:02 |
| tbr | international PSTN routing is a maze of twisty passages all alike if you look closer | 17:02 |
| AL13N_work | tbr: when does that become obsolete? | 17:02 |
| tbr | AL13N_work: at the current rate, never | 17:03 |
| tbr | also, too much money in it | 17:03 |
| AL13N_work | ah, you mean the special numbers? | 17:03 |
| tbr | no | 17:03 |
| tbr | PSTN in general | 17:04 |
| AL13N_work | really? | 17:04 |
| tbr | yes | 17:04 |
| AL13N_work | but, isn't there a lot of costs of maintenance on it? | 17:04 |
| AL13N_work | and then there's the whole GSM cell tower stuff | 17:05 |
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| AL13N_work | i'll take your word for it, but i hadn't thought so | 17:06 |
| AL13N_work | anyway, time to go home | 17:06 |
| Teemu | a major leap to pstn getting obsolete was taken when fat pipes converted from atm over sdh to ethernet over sdh | 17:09 |
| Teemu | well mpls but that's just another ethernet of ethernets | 17:09 |
| Teemu | it might be the last leap though as mpls offers circuit service better than atm ever did and pstn is just now on the same pipes as this irc conversation is | 17:10 |
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| r0kk3rz | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/nanosmart/talkase-the-must-have-accessory-for-a-mobile-lifes | 19:14 |
| r0kk3rz | yo yo dawg, i herd you like phones, so we put a phone in yo phone | 19:14 |
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| raa700 | soo, all we need is a doublesided toh | 19:17 |
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| r0kk3rz | personally i dont see the point of it | 19:17 |
| raa700 | or maybe just velcro | 19:17 |
| raa700 | or magnets, maybe keyboardTOH people have figured out how do they work | 19:18 |
| r0kk3rz | wouldnt it be better to just have a battery case? | 19:18 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | why is tehre no "Will it blend?" movie for Jolla phone? :D | 20:58 |
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| Stskeeps | probably based in US and couldn't buy one? | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | did you see the guy that drowned his jolla? | 20:59 |
| Morpog_PC__ | nope, lol, link? | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | it was in the start of jolla sales | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | somebody video'ed drowning his jolla | 20:59 |
| gogeta | stupid | 20:59 |
| Morpog_PC__ | hehe | 20:59 |
| Morpog_PC__ | just like the iphone 6 guy who wait hours in line and dropped it right in front of reporters :D | 21:00 |
| gogeta | pure ego | 21:00 |
| coderus | please let me know if any Jolla public new year events in Dec 29 - 07 Jan in Finland | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think there's any, besides sailors taking some vacation, or being chained at desks to get update out.. | 21:01 |
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| coderus | but its new year holidays | 21:06 |
| coderus | who is working these days? :D | 21:06 |
| gogeta | no one | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | people who didn't get out before handcuffs were brought out? | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:06 |
| gogeta | nice film Stskeeps | 21:07 |
| gogeta | tnx for the sugestion last night | 21:07 |
| coderus | plush handcuffs? :D | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | no, just plush TOHs.. | 21:07 |
| coderus | :D | 21:07 |
| coderus | well, what is the best way to communicate with finland sailors and create meeting in my days? :D | 21:08 |
| kimmoli | using words? | 21:08 |
| coderus | 0~i mean place | 21:08 |
| coderus | where to post | 21:08 |
| coderus | etc. | 21:08 |
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| r0kk3rz | coderus: i hear the amsterdam bar is where its at | 21:13 |
| coderus | r0kk3rz: sorry, i dont understand what you wrote :D | 21:13 |
| r0kk3rz | theres a bar in helsinki | 21:13 |
| r0kk3rz | called the amsterdam bar | 21:13 |
| coderus | okay | 21:14 |
| r0kk3rz | its near the jolla office | 21:14 |
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| Teemu | that's a nice bar | 21:17 |
| Teemu | good place for an office | 21:17 |
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| r0kk3rz | newyears in fi hey coderus? sounds like fun | 21:25 |
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| Teemu | iirc the bar has kitchen open until it closes | 21:30 |
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| minimec | Just as a side note... I checked the 'call recorder' logs. Works rather well with my MINI freespeak unit (app was running by chance). ;) | 21:39 |
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| coderus | r0kk3rz: yes :) | 21:41 |
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| r0kk3rz | coderus: just hanging around helsinki? | 21:57 |
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| M4rtinK | https://together.jolla.com/question/3444/show-calendar-event-title-directly-in-the-lock-screen/?answer=70210#post-id-70210 | 22:20 |
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| M4rtinK | ^^ calendar even notifications on the Jolla lockscreen by mihlit :) | 22:21 |
| M4rtinK | (just spreading this around a bit as I think that this nice little application has not yet been widely noticed yet :) ) | 22:22 |
| tiwake | what was the processor jolla was planning on using? | 22:25 |
| tiwake | for the tablet | 22:25 |
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| M4rtinK | tiwake: Z3735F IIRC ? | 22:26 |
| tiwake | alright | 22:27 |
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| tiwake | meh | 22:31 |
| tiwake | why am I looking up the specs for this? | 22:31 |
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| M4rtinK | tiwake: check the full (~4000 page) spec PDF | 22:36 |
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| tiwake | M4rtinK: I'm looking at the 375 page one? | 22:36 |
| M4rtinK | tiwake: ARK is reportedly wrong about some of its features | 22:36 |
| M4rtinK | tiwake: that might also be fine | 22:36 |
| tiwake | ARK? | 22:36 |
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| M4rtinK | tiwake: IIRC there are two, one ~300 and another ~3000-4000 | 22:37 |
| M4rtinK | http://ark.intel.com/ | 22:37 |
| M4rtinK | that brief info tool | 22:37 |
| tiwake | I'm also looking at the changes | 22:37 |
| M4rtinK | usually shows as primary source in Google when you search for Intel CPU model names | 22:38 |
| tiwake | oh thats what I was looking at | 22:40 |
| tiwake | PWM channels, nice | 22:42 |
| tiwake | PWM is useful | 22:42 |
| tiwake | JTAG | 22:44 |
| M4rtinK | tiwake: does it have I2C ? | 22:44 |
| tiwake | this datasheed reminds me more of microcontrollers than processors | 22:44 |
| M4rtinK | tiwake: so that it can be used for a TOH like interface | 22:44 |
| tiwake | though, I cant say I've looked at serious processor datasheets very much either | 22:45 |
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| M4rtinK | well, you need a lot of microcontroller like stuff on laptops/embedded devices | 22:45 |
| tiwake | I2C... I might have noticed that in the table of contents | 22:45 |
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| tiwake | yeah, page 46 | 22:46 |
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| M4rtinK | tiwake: mind adding this piece of information to the Tablet TOH interface suggestion o together ? :) ( https://together.jolla.com/question/63483/request-jolla-tablet-tohdocking/ ) | 22:47 |
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| tiwake | I dont know what TOH means | 22:48 |
| tiwake | terms of health? | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | anything remotely TOH-ish would go through USB OTG; fwiw | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | or sdio for the creatives | 22:48 |
| alterego | tiwake: The Other Half | 22:48 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: well, as long as the pins are exposed then why not | 22:48 |
| tiwake | oh | 22:50 |
| tiwake | well, I don't really know what the other half means | 22:50 |
| tiwake | aside from a back cover | 22:50 |
| tiwake | why would a back cover be relevant to processor specs? lol | 22:50 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: now thinking about it - just exposing a USB pogo pin set on a suitable place place under the back cover would rock | 22:50 |
| chem|st | tiwake: gear | 22:50 |
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| M4rtinK | well, if there is a back cover of course :) | 22:51 |
| tiwake | block diagrams are fun | 22:52 |
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| chem|st | tiwake: and dumb gear needs CPU, even more when the connection is translated through USB or SDIO | 22:52 |
| M4rtinK | tiwake: well, it is a bit more than a back cover: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2028347278/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla | 22:52 |
| M4rtinK | tiwake: see for an example of what can be done with the TOH on the Jolla | 22:52 |
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| M4rtinK | tiwake: it is not just a plastic cover, but it also has I2C, an interrupt pin & power transfer pins | 22:53 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK: how about a full connector bar on the long side and some magnets^^ | 22:53 |
| tiwake | is that like IR communication between the back cover and the front? | 22:53 |
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| chem|st | tiwake: wire, I2C is just the controller (USB like in noob-speak) | 22:54 |
| tiwake | right... but.. how is the data transported? | 22:54 |
| M4rtinK | chem|st: I think any robust connector that exposes an easily usable interface (sdio/gpio/rs232/usb, whatever) & charging will do | 22:55 |
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| chem|st | tiwake: pin connectors | 22:55 |
| tiwake | oh ok... so there are little contact areas that connect up when the back cover is "snapped on" | 22:56 |
| M4rtinK | what I'm trying to get to is that this should be *in addition* of the "normal" USB connector for the tablet | 22:56 |
| chem|st | when I answer I2C and you ask about "how is the data transfered" I think you are asking if it is wireless or wire, what I already said, so you probably mean the connector type | 22:56 |
| chem|st | tiwake: right, little pins and contact surfaces | 22:57 |
| tiwake | uh, I might have missed it? | 22:57 |
| M4rtinK | so that if you have an accessory attached to the tablet, normal functionality of the "main" USB port is not blocked and i can be used for charging, usb networking, OTG stuff, etc. | 22:57 |
| tiwake | :P | 22:57 |
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| M4rtinK | I think it would kinda suck if to connect a hypotetical tablet TOH you had cables hanging around & not being able to use the USB normally | 22:58 |
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| tiwake | oh ok, I2C actually is the buss | 22:59 |
| tiwake | derp | 22:59 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK: I think "leave alone my usb port!" I am thinking about the most simple way you could think of, smooth surface and in between are connection pads, left and right is a magnet | 22:59 |
| M4rtinK | for example: I have the DIP TOH on my Jolla and it would be unusable if it occupied the only USB port on the device | 22:59 |
| M4rtinK | chem|st: why not - I'm fine with any sufficiently robust connector | 23:00 |
| tadzik | unless it'll just make your jolla longer, not thicker, if you know what I mean | 23:00 |
| chem|st | so you make my idea a full size bay and add as many usbports as you like (up to 4 so no hub is needed) | 23:00 |
| tadzik | it could even expose another usb port :P | 23:00 |
| M4rtinK | chem|st: plus points if it makes it easy to attach stuff to the back of the tablet | 23:00 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK: design! design! and oh design! | 23:01 |
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| tiwake | I wonder what the datarate is for this interface | 23:01 |
| chem|st | tiwake: on phone 400kbit/s | 23:01 |
| tiwake | hmm | 23:01 |
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| chem|st | tiwake: do yourself a favour, and me too, google i2c! | 23:02 |
| M4rtinK | chem|st: if you can use it for charging you could do a nice keyboard & battery docks/cover :) | 23:02 |
| M4rtinK | *dock | 23:02 |
| tiwake | I did! still reading XD | 23:02 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK: you are way behind on this matter it seems | 23:02 |
| M4rtinK | read faster! | 23:02 |
| tiwake | I tend to talk outloud on IRC when I'm reading... sorry | 23:02 |
| M4rtinK | chem|st: ?? | 23:02 |
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| chem|st | I asked for a transformer dock more than a week ago | 23:03 |
| M4rtinK | actually I've seen people doing just that back in the FreeRunner days with the TouchBook :) | 23:03 |
| M4rtinK | it was way ahead back then :) | 23:03 |
| chem|st | http://www.asus.com/de/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/ASUS_Transformer_Book_T200TA/ | 23:03 |
| tiwake | (I do it IRL too... drives everyone crazy when I talk about half-formed ideas while reading and processing data thats reverent to the problem at hand) | 23:03 |
| M4rtinK | chem|st: https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/ | 23:03 |
| chem|st | it is basically the same specs as jolla-tab | 23:03 |
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| M4rtinK | M4rtinK: Intel price dumping does wonders :) | 23:05 |
| M4rtinK | chem|st: ^^ | 23:05 |
| chem|st | yeah | 23:05 |
| coderus | r0kk3rz: no | 23:05 |
| coderus | around finland | 23:05 |
| chem|st | but as Aard wants to make (kidding) a sailfish desktop version, this would actually fit my overall need... | 23:05 |
| M4rtinK | it would be really funny if AMD did a AMD branded Intel tablet :) | 23:06 |
| M4rtinK | I would not be surprised anymore :) | 23:06 |
| chem|st | device swaps to SilicaDesktop as soon as you attach it to TOH | 23:06 |
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| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: so I think we have reached consensus - make the pins accessible and we will make use of them to make Jolla Tablet even more awesome :) | 23:08 |
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| chem|st | but that is for sure something jolla needs to bring as addon, and marketing it early, with serial interface and a spare hardware slot, DP, M.2, msata, mHDMI, battery | 23:09 |
| chem|st | that could as well be a kickstarter (for things like that a kickstarter makes sense) | 23:10 |
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| M4rtinK | chem|st: I think Jolla has their hands kinda full already :) sure would be nice though | 23:11 |
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| M4rtinK | chem|st: but as the possibility is open to others like with the current TOH on the Jolla, I'm fine with it | 23:11 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK: do you really want to wait a year for an addon for a device that has a lifetime of two to three years? | 23:12 |
| chem|st | its not a 800eur toughbook, it is a 200eur tablet | 23:13 |
| chem|st | I don't buy tohkbd as I expect the jolla2 to be announced on mwc | 23:13 |
| chem|st | "at" | 23:14 |
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| M4rtinK | unless sold in huge quantities the margin might be just enough to get all the hardware and software development for the tablet itself going | 23:14 |
| M4rtinK | let alone additional hardware stuff, marketing & warranty service | 23:15 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK: companies released tablets with way less than the igg 100% | 23:16 |
| M4rtinK | chem|st: well, if you just slap AOSP on them it is a bit easier | 23:16 |
| M4rtinK | chem|st: or not even that - OEM manufacturers will easily make branded tablets for you with your own skin | 23:17 |
| M4rtinK | chem|st: of course if you don't want Android, things might be more difficult | 23:17 |
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| chem|st | uh I have another idea - Jolla Anchorage - just a conenctor bay with a hinge and a connector on both ends, you could bundle two tablets - for a start | 23:17 |
| M4rtinK | might -> are | 23:17 |
| M4rtinK | that could actually work | 23:18 |
| M4rtinK | Jolla Tablet DS :) | 23:18 |
| M4rtinK | Jolla Tablet Book :) | 23:18 |
| swift110_ | lol | 23:19 |
| swift110_ | that would be cool | 23:19 |
| chem|st | there is your TOH, not a backcover (well you could put it on the back, it has a hinge) | 23:19 |
| chem|st | and that is darn badass cheap and easy to realize | 23:19 |
| chem|st | at least the connection itself, sync is another issue but well... give us some hardware to play with | 23:20 |
| chem|st | and jolla could distribute TOH as an empty PC case with just the connectors and solder joints | 23:20 |
| M4rtinK | kinda like that Google cardboard thing :) | 23:21 |
| chem|st | I like FPV for VR^^ | 23:21 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: ^^ read that? | 23:22 |
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| M4rtinK | FPV model aircraft are nice | 23:23 |
| M4rtinK | ...until they become stuck on a random tree in Slovakia | 23:24 |
| M4rtinK | (this actually happened to a friend - will have to ask if he already managed to get it down) | 23:24 |
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| chem|st | M4rtinK: https://together.jolla.com/question/70586/hardware-request-jolla-tablet-toss-link-two-tablets/ | 23:33 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK: you need a friend with a powerful quadcopter that can lift it^^ | 23:34 |
| M4rtinK | chem|st: I've actually seen people doing that already on youtube video :) | 23:34 |
| chem|st | or someone with a bow, wings are a days work but the hardware is couple of hundred eurs | 23:34 |
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| M4rtinK | BTW, people are already racing FPV drones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsxyV-kgfio | 23:38 |
| M4rtinK | and they even use VR goggles for controlling them :) | 23:38 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK: not just racing, there is dronewars now... | 23:42 |
| chem|st | downhill, long distance and other things | 23:43 |
| chem|st | problem is that most HF technology needed is not allowed to use in EU | 23:43 |
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| M4rtinK | I've heard about some experiments with using LTE for control and video transmission | 23:46 |
| chem|st | with unlimited data, that is an idea... but even then, the remote places you want to fly do not have LTE yet | 23:47 |
| M4rtinK | yeah | 23:48 |
| M4rtinK | well 2.4 GHz & 5 GHz might be also usable | 23:48 |
| M4rtinK | well, maybe not with the official transmission power limits :) | 23:49 |
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| chem|st | 10mW on 2.4GHz and 25mW on 5GHz (only stationary is higher) | 23:56 |
| chem|st | direct comparison it 5GHz has 20% higher allowed TX power | 23:57 |
| chem|st | both need to stay below 10%duty cycle | 23:57 |
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