| mornfall | so I imagine that java is a good choice if you want to get shit done and don't particularly care about how it looks (or smells) | 00:00 |
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| ikarus | mornfall: Java has a huge time investment value for picking up any particular program | 00:00 |
| ikarus | higher then most C++ or Python project for example | 00:00 |
| mornfall | ikarus: what do you mean? | 00:00 |
| ikarus | mornfall: the time it takes to read into code when you first get put on a project, until you can contribute useful code | 00:01 |
| ikarus | it's higher for Java then for C++ or Python | 00:01 |
| mornfall | ikarus: is that an actual study? | 00:01 |
| mornfall | and did it control for proficiency of the newcomer? | 00:02 |
| mornfall | (and for the size of the project...) | 00:02 |
| ikarus | mornfall: I believe so, I am not a software engineering researcher myself | 00:02 |
| mornfall | (I'm not necessarily disputing the claim, but I'd be curious to see a study about this...) | 00:03 |
| mornfall | I'd expect the spread for C++ to be especially high (there are some seriously cranky C++ projects out there) | 00:03 |
| falfa | i'd think i disagree, C++ can be really messy compared even to java | 00:03 |
| mornfall | But also heaps of heaps of mundane C++ code. :) | 00:03 |
| mornfall | falfa: “can be” is far from the same thing as “usually is” | 00:04 |
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| mornfall | and there's *tons* of C++ out there | 00:04 |
| mornfall | picking random C++ file, it'll be probably something very boring | 00:04 |
| falfa | whatever, most people just can't do without automatic memory handling | 00:04 |
| mornfall | that's a myth | 00:05 |
| falfa | i think you're a myth | 00:05 |
| mornfall | “most people” did very well without automatic memory handling until Java became a dominant language | 00:05 |
| mornfall | in other words, your claim strongly disagrees with the data | 00:06 |
| mornfall | you could *maybe* claim that most people (but not by a big margin) don't *need* to do without automatic memory | 00:07 |
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| mornfall | (also, a garbage collector doesn't make you immune to the consequences of being clueless about object lifetimes... memory leaks are a very real problem in GCed languages) | 00:12 |
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| pXd | hyvää itsenäisyyspäivää :) | 00:13 |
| mornfall | parse error :D | 00:13 |
| pXd | ^^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Day_%28Finland%29 | 00:14 |
| mornfall | (I have heard this before, without the “itsenäisyys” in the middle :P) | 00:14 |
| mornfall | (which I now figure would be independence) | 00:15 |
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| lukedirtwalker | yay language discussions :) | 00:15 |
| pXd | yay - tbh i wouldn't know about it if my gf wouldn't be from .fi. | 00:16 |
| pXd | :) | 00:16 |
| mornfall | lukedirtwalker: was that directed at Java or at Finnish? :P | 00:17 |
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| lukedirtwalker | mornfall: Java / c++ | 00:18 |
| pXd | *lol* nvm... | 00:18 |
| mornfall | lukedirtwalker: there probably won't be a flamewar this time :( :P | 00:19 |
| lukedirtwalker | mornfall: not interested in flamewars, but it interests me how people think about languages | 00:19 |
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| mornfall | :-) | 00:21 |
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| vyncie | hi | 00:36 |
| vyncie | i was here earlier (maybe under vynnie, but apparently it was already taken in nickserv | 00:37 |
| vyncie | i got username vinnie for my jolla account tho, which is a first for me | 00:38 |
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| chem|st | hi | 01:20 |
| chem|st | oh that was an hour ago ;) | 01:20 |
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| chem|st | vyncie: I hope you enjoy your new phone | 01:21 |
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| Tegu | fuu fuu, the twitch app does not work without google play services nowadays | 08:56 |
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| salyavin | Write them to make a sailfish version or saw you have an Amazon device with no play so please don't leave out not google android. | 09:58 |
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| Tegu | hold on, I just remembered that amazon actually bought twitch. so this is a quite weird requirement :o | 10:07 |
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| Tegu | maybe I have some odd version. I could make an amazn accout and give their app store a try | 10:10 |
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| Stskeeps | moo wazd | 10:13 |
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| meklu | cowsay moo | 10:16 |
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| Tegu | err, amazon appstore requires sms sending permissions. thanks, but no thanks | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | on jolla it just pops up a dialog to send things | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | ie, pre-filled sms | 10:33 |
| tbr | .oO(and then he goes and installs random stuff from warehouse) | 10:34 |
| Tegu | Stskeeps: so i can just cancel it? humm, can we block other android permissions, too? | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | Tegu: not all of them, but i'm not sure about details | 10:36 |
| Tegu | tbr: haha yeah, those have no permissions restricting anything :D | 10:38 |
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| japa-fi | someone mentioned "permission remover" on this channel yesterday: http://www.plop.at/en/android/permission-remover.html | 10:51 |
| Tegu | hm, the version from amazon also reuires google play.. are there some remainings of the previous installation, and if yes, how can i remove them? | 10:52 |
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| chris__ | good morning o/ | 10:56 |
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| Tegu | oki good, removed and reinstalled, and now it does not ask google play stuff | 10:59 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: I am curious about what idea you had for TOH... (just brainstorming I know that A you will not tell the whole story and B nothing is written in stone yet) - I thought about something like the transformer or the surface - some people would really like to have tablets merged with netbooks | 10:59 |
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| chem|st | phaeron: if you want me to try anything... I am at home and bored^^ | 11:05 |
| Tegu | autobots - roll out! | 11:05 |
| chem|st | Tegu: we need only one spark! just one! | 11:07 |
| phaeron | chem|st: regarding the sdcard ? | 11:07 |
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| chris__ | chem|st, conversations app for Android is very good. Groupe Chat works well. Only two function are bad: 1) Send File/Video takes much time and 2) no file transfer in groupe chat | 11:08 |
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| chem|st | phaeron: yup or mtp or whatever | 11:09 |
| phaeron | chem|st: how are you checking mtp on the host ? the sdcard is exposed as a separate mtp volume | 11:09 |
| chem|st | chris__: it is more likely that I just wont do anything than texting before I use android paid services | 11:10 |
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| chem|st | phaeron: oh nice now it is unable to open the device at all | 11:11 |
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| chem|st | ha stupid... it claimed usb4:3 when asking for modes then it is 4:4 | 11:13 |
| chem|st | phaeron: so, I see #Phone Memory# and #SD Card# | 11:13 |
| phaeron | chem|st: where? mtp-detect on host ? | 11:14 |
| chem|st | in nautilus when I say mount Sailfish | 11:15 |
| chem|st | never tried console stuff with mtp | 11:15 |
| phaeron | and #SD Card# is not working ? | 11:16 |
| chem|st | nope it is emtpy | 11:16 |
| chris__ | chem|st, i try trial version ;) ... but i know what you meen.... but it is what it is.... jolla will not support more with xmpp what we have allready :( | 11:16 |
| phaeron | I don't have an sdcard with me right now but I'll try to emulate one with a loop device | 11:17 |
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| chem|st | where should I see what with mtp-detect? | 11:19 |
| chem|st | ah... | 11:19 |
| chem|st | Storage devices | 11:19 |
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| chem|st | yes there are two max capacity is about right, access is said to be read/write | 11:20 |
| phaeron | chem|st: try something else , I don't trust nautilus that much :) | 11:20 |
| chem|st | fantastic how much information gets exprted to mtp... how about adding my personal bankaccounts? | 11:21 |
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| chem|st | I try to read the file tree now | 11:22 |
| chem|st | are there any dedicated mtp browsers? | 11:22 |
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| chem|st | if cli I do not need to hook it to unreliable mtp... | 11:23 |
| phaeron | dunno, I'll try a few once I export the loop device | 11:24 |
| chem|st | so nothing happens, MTPZ is disabled | 11:24 |
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| phaeron | btw you need a usb cable connected to your device to export mtp :) | 11:27 |
| chem|st | is is lol | 11:27 |
| chem|st | I see storage: sdcard and phone memory for mtp-filetree | 11:28 |
| chem|st | and then it stalls | 11:28 |
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| phaeron | pcmanfm was able to browse the fakesd volume | 11:34 |
| phaeron | copied some files there | 11:34 |
| chem|st | libmtp error could not send object info | 11:43 |
| chem|st | and the cards stays emtpy | 11:43 |
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| phaeron | maybe permissions issue ? | 11:45 |
| phaeron | if you are copying to a root owned directory it won't work, mtp is a user service | 11:46 |
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| phaeron | otoh it could just be bad interaction with btrfs on the sdcard | 11:46 |
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| chem|st | but internal works | 11:48 |
| chem|st | what is different with the internal to the sdcard? | 11:49 |
| phaeron | internal lives in /home/nemo | 11:49 |
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| phaeron | right ? | 11:49 |
| chem|st | yes | 11:49 |
| phaeron | so owned by nemo | 11:49 |
| chem|st | hmm let me check that | 11:50 |
| phaeron | let me try a btrfs fakesdcard | 11:50 |
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| phaeron | in a few minutes , brb | 11:50 |
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| chem|st | drwxrwxr-x 1 nemo nemo 78 2014-12-03 19:07 . | 11:51 |
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| chem|st | for /media/sdcard/$UUID/ | 11:52 |
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| phaeron | chem|st: works with btrfs fakesd. I'll try with subvolumes when I have a real sdcard | 12:18 |
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| chem|st | thanks | 12:23 |
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| phaeron | chem|st: maybe nautilus / gvfs-mtp is interfering with the mtp tools, parallel sessions are not supported | 12:24 |
| phaeron | chem|st: also what libmtp version are you using? mine is libmtp-1.1.8-1.fc21.x86_64 | 12:25 |
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| chem|st | I read people had issues with libmtp being <1.1.1 but I have 1.1.8... | 12:27 |
| mcfrisk | ipv6 works on jolla, cool! | 12:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Sort-of-on-topic-ish. Is anyone aware of any intel reference tablet designs using the same chipset that are available to inspect- schematics | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: out of curious, what do you hope to do? | 12:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: I'm wondering about pens. | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | pens? | 12:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: Take a pen, stick some smarts in it - have it listen to the screen for 1ms (or whatever) - then broadcast back an augmented signal - so you can actually use fine-point pens | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | okay, so wacom like stuff? | 12:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Sort-of, but with no internal hardware that doesn't exist | 12:31 |
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| Stskeeps | usb otg/sdio? | 12:32 |
| SpeedEvil | No - totally passive, sniffing the screen | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I should probably hit up some of my existing devices with a scope to see if this is even in principle likely to be plausible | 12:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Fat touchscreen pens annoy me. I stopped writing with crayons some time ago. | 12:33 |
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| chem|st | SpeedEvil: there is such pen, but I do not recall its name, was >80eur iirc | 12:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | hmm | 12:39 |
| chem|st | you can also use it to write on paper and have it digital righ away iirc | 12:39 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think that's quite the same | 12:39 |
| SpeedEvil | that uses different tech | 12:39 |
| chem|st | different tech but does what you want, no? | 12:40 |
| Yaniel | ah this thing where you put some kind of receiver on the paper | 12:40 |
| chem|st | Yaniel: nope all in the pen | 12:40 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, the wacom/active-pen RFE seems to be quite popular on Together ;-) | 12:40 |
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| chem|st | M4rtinK: I'd buy a note 4 if jolla manages to supply a working rom! | 12:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | chem|st: it relies on stipples - either on the paper or on the screen | 12:41 |
| SpeedEvil | AIUI | 12:41 |
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| chem|st | SpeedEvil: you mean livescribe.com I don't | 12:42 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 12:42 |
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| chem|st | wasn't long ago but it seemed to work without special paper + it worked on the tablet | 12:46 |
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| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: tablets are easily content making devices | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50811 | 12:47 |
| Yaniel | oh and if this pen thing happens jolla should collaborate with the krita guys to get krita gemini working on sailfish | 12:48 |
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| chem|st | SpeedEvil: I might be wrong about that but I thought it was without special paper, and the stylus did not look like those scribe or n2 things | 13:01 |
| SpeedEvil | chem|st: yeah - I'm not saying you're wrong - just that I haven't seen anything quite like what I was outlining | 13:02 |
| chem|st | anyways... active pen input would make me buy one more at least | 13:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | there are various ways to do it on paper that don't actually work on a screen | 13:02 |
| chem|st | SpeedEvil: I found it to be too expensive for me so I skipped it... | 13:03 |
| SpeedEvil | - as on a screen you care about absolute, not relative position | 13:03 |
| chem|st | sure | 13:03 |
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| chem|st | I am not willing to pay samsung 700eur for a prison with a stylus, Jolla on the other hand would probably get my money | 13:06 |
| jgke | hello, my phone decided to go permanently locked, tried to use the recovery mode but ifconfig doesn't show anything but my wlan and loopback, what should I do | 13:07 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, the "Look what I drew on my phone" is very impressive - especially the newer additions :) | 13:09 |
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| M4rtinK | also the Wacom LCD tablets are still batshit insane expensive & not portable | 13:10 |
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| M4rtinK | so I would say it would be quite popular to have a support for it in the Jolla Tablet | 13:11 |
| M4rtinK | for the record like chem|st I would be willing to shell out substantially more for the tablet if it had this | 13:11 |
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| Stskeeps | well, what does it really require from the hw? | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | i understand the value | 13:12 |
| M4rtinK | I guess some additional layer that goes under the display ? | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | digitizer? | 13:14 |
| M4rtinK | yep | 13:14 |
| M4rtinK | it does not need direct contact so the thickness of the display assembly should not be an issue | 13:14 |
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| M4rtinK | people even built their own LCT tablets by gutting a small LCD and sticking a non-LCD wacom underneet the screen :) | 13:15 |
| M4rtinK | *underneath | 13:15 |
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| M4rtinK | that's the system I know about, but maybe there could be other implementations ? | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | adding a wacom digitizer in each tablet sounds expensive, so other choices would be good.:P | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | how about wacom digitizer 'cover'? | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | if the thing is transparent | 13:16 |
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| M4rtinK | I've actually seen "touchscreen" sheets that could be applied to a LCD monitor screen | 13:17 |
| M4rtinK | but I think that has been to enable normal touch input, not pen input | 13:18 |
| M4rtinK | normally the pen is powered by the magnetic field of the wacom digitizer | 13:19 |
| M4rtinK | co that it can report position, pressure and any button presses on the pen without the need for batteries | 13:19 |
| M4rtinK | *so | 13:19 |
| M4rtinK | so I guess you could stick a battery in it and report pressure & button presses over bluetooth | 13:20 |
| M4rtinK | but you still need to somehow find where you are pointing with the pen | 13:21 |
| M4rtinK | and I'm kinda skeptical to any addon solutions for this to be precise enough to be usable | 13:22 |
| M4rtinK | actually one thing might be crazy enough to work: | 13:23 |
| M4rtinK | sticking a wacom or equivalent to the backside of the Jolla tablet :) | 13:23 |
| M4rtinK | it might actually be thin enough to work "through" it :) | 13:23 |
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| Stskeeps | that sounds interesting | 13:26 |
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| M4rtinK | for the record, my old Wacom Volito2 does not work through the Jolla phone, even with TOH removed | 13:26 |
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| M4rtinK | but it is quite a lowend tablet & very old | 13:27 |
| M4rtinK | a more powerful one might work better | 13:27 |
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| M4rtinK | in my case it looks like the detection is a few mm short to getting through | 13:30 |
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| jgke | ...okay, rebooted laptop and now it shows the interface o-o | 13:31 |
| M4rtinK | but it works fine through just the DIP toh, even through the PCB parts | 13:31 |
| M4rtinK | so more testing would be welcome I guess :) | 13:31 |
| M4rtinK | especially with pre-production hardware, when available ;-) | 13:31 |
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| M4rtinK | So just in case, I've summarized to stick-a-pen-tablet-behind-the-Jolla-tablet idea to a wiki-answer on Together: https://together.jolla.com/question/63876/request-jolla-tablet-wacom-digitizer-active-pen-support/?answer=69527#post-id-69527 | 14:12 |
| M4rtinK | more test results are welcome! :) | 14:12 |
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| M4rtinK | (even though I would still rather like the tablet having the Wacom digitizer built-in, lets keep all options open just in case :) ) | 14:13 |
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| tadzik | hah, I got 3 lipstick crashes in the last 3 hours | 14:56 |
| tadzik | all when clicking messages in notificatoins | 14:56 |
| tadzik | should I upload some logs somewhere? | 14:56 |
| tbr | tadzik: ISTR there will be some related fixes in U10 | 15:01 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: for example the vivotab note8 is ~230eurs with 32gb eMMC... so it cannot be that expensive to build in a tablet | 15:36 |
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| chem|st | jgke: what do you mean by permanently locked? if it is what I think your only way out is to factory-reset iirc | 15:39 |
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| tbr | chem|st: notice that it started out at a >300€ MSRP (I can't find an exact number right now) | 15:46 |
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| * ShadowJK would rather have a smaller good emmc, than a larger crap emmc | 15:52 | |
| r0kk3rz | also price also varies with volume. Asus can probably afford to do bigger production runs, and expect better sales | 15:52 |
| ShadowJK | The emmc in asus transformer series of products is so slow, that loading a google search in chrome takes ages, and the cpus sit idling entire time.. :( | 15:54 |
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| Teemu | jou | 15:58 |
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| Teemu | happy independence | 15:58 |
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| r0kk3rz | Teemu: big party happening in finland? | 16:50 |
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| vyncie | re | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | wb | 16:54 |
| vyncie | did you just read my monologue or was i offline (around 10 mintes ago) | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think so | 16:57 |
| Teemu | r0kk3rz: dunno, some people are, some are not | 16:58 |
| vyncie | lol | 16:58 |
| Nicd- | r0kk3rz: the independence day ball starts now, also earlier there was the finnish defence forces march | 16:58 |
| Teemu | problem is, the founding fathers chose a _really_ poor time of year for celebration | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | Teemu: during winter seems pretty apt for finland.. | 16:58 |
| Teemu | it's +1 degrees centrigrade and raining, as is the most usual weather for this day | 16:58 |
| r0kk3rz | its frickin freezing I know lets have a public holiday | 16:58 |
| Nicd- | freezing? not really | 16:59 |
| vyncie | and drink to get warm... | 16:59 |
| Nicd- | I wish it was freezing | 16:59 |
| Teemu | not freezing, no, just super unpleasant | 16:59 |
| Teemu | freezing would be better than this | 16:59 |
| Ezko | a lot of people were partying yesterday, mostly because it's the time for company christmas parties and people got their tax returns on wednesday | 16:59 |
| r0kk3rz | sorry i forgot who I was talking to, 1C is freezing for me, but not for you finns | 16:59 |
| Ezko | and when finns have extra money they go drinking | 16:59 |
| Nicd- | r0kk3rz: 1°C is not freezing even for water :P | 16:59 |
| r0kk3rz | for literal definitions of freezing, sure | 17:00 |
| vyncie | in some countries 5 or 6 of december is the original party of st. nick | 17:00 |
| Teemu | when we say freezing referring to weather, we're speaking about weather much worse than inside your freezer | 17:00 |
| r0kk3rz | which makes perfect sense | 17:01 |
| Ezko | i rather have -15 and snow than +1 and rain | 17:01 |
| r0kk3rz | its common for english and australians to refer to merely cold weather as 'freezing' | 17:01 |
| Teemu | normal freezers are somewhere around -15C which is pretty decent weather if there is no wind | 17:01 |
| r0kk3rz | because we like hyperbole | 17:01 |
| Teemu | Ezko: hell yeah, any day | 17:01 |
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| Ezko | especially when i went to sleep before the sun was up and woke up after it had set | 17:02 |
| Ezko | cause it's pretty dark | 17:02 |
| Teemu | btw are any of you interested in seeing a demo shop for globe hope the brand that combines online shopping app with in store shopping? | 17:02 |
| r0kk3rz | i thought it was reasonably cold at 5C when i was in helsinki in november | 17:02 |
| r0kk3rz | but my finnish friends were remarking at how warm it was | 17:03 |
| Ezko | that's pretty typical for november | 17:03 |
| Teemu | r0kk3rz: 5C in helsinki winter feels a lot colder than -5C because the moist air conducts body heat so much better than dry air | 17:03 |
| Teemu | especially in the -5C in february is pleasant as the sea has frozen over and winds are pretty dry | 17:04 |
| nomeata | Hi. I’m about to integrate my jolla into my home-grown rsync-based backup system. Is there a list worth of backupping somewhere? | 17:04 |
| r0kk3rz | Teemu: agreed, its been colder than that here in england recently | 17:04 |
| r0kk3rz | but hasnt been sapping the body heat anywhere near as much | 17:04 |
| Teemu | you in england never get to experience a cold winter wind | 17:04 |
| Ezko | dry cold weather sucks for my skin though | 17:04 |
| Teemu | i mean | 17:04 |
| Teemu | cold dry wind | 17:04 |
| Teemu | or cold dry windless <3 | 17:04 |
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| Ezko | it's fine otherwise | 17:05 |
| r0kk3rz | up here in the north east apparently you do, but we'll see, I havent been here through a winter yet | 17:05 |
| Teemu | Ezko: that's why my wife makes super good cosmetics at home | 17:05 |
| Teemu | r0kk3rz: i bet the atlantic doesn't have ice cover that south | 17:05 |
| Ezko | yeah well | 17:05 |
| Ezko | i buy them from the pharmacy :P | 17:05 |
| Nicd- | yeah, I don't mind -25°C but the wind hurts at that temperature | 17:05 |
| Teemu | -15C is a nice biking weather though | 17:06 |
| Ezko | -whatever and a good layer of snow is a nice driving weather | 17:06 |
| r0kk3rz | Teemu: true, more the north sea rather than the atlantic on this side, but sure, no ice | 17:06 |
| Ezko | you know | 17:06 |
| Teemu | r0kk3rz: i call all of that just atlantic :) | 17:06 |
| r0kk3rz | fair enough | 17:07 |
| Teemu | Ezko: yes but much colder than -15 hurts the face | 17:07 |
| Ezko | i mean driving with a car | 17:07 |
| r0kk3rz | britain isnt big enough to call it a different sea just because its on the other side | 17:07 |
| Teemu | -15 being pretty much ideal in that the snow doesn't locally melt under tyres, creating the creaky type of good friction but still not being hurtful to face | 17:07 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe I should head back to finland soon, see what the winter is really like | 17:08 |
| r0kk3rz | dont exactly get temperatures like -15C in australia | 17:09 |
| Teemu | Ezko: funny thing is, here in countryside i've never needed 4wd but when i lived in matinkylä (a helsinki region neighbourhood) the parking lot and local roads had so bad snow and ice troubles i was really glad i drove a jeep | 17:10 |
| Ezko | yeah | 17:10 |
| Ezko | try töölö or eira | 17:10 |
| Teemu | was real fun starting the car at morning and just drive out of the parking lot, waving to neighbours who were shoveling the 20+cm ice wall that the snow removal machines left behind their cars | 17:11 |
| Ezko | :OO | 17:11 |
| Ezko | :)) | 17:11 |
| r0kk3rz | haha | 17:12 |
| nomeata | And: /data/media and /home/nemo/android-storage look identical. I guess I should backup only one? | 17:12 |
| Ezko | i mean i haven't lived in töölö or eira but i've driven there during winter | 17:12 |
| Ezko | and it's horrible :P | 17:12 |
| Ezko | would not move there with a car that isn't 4wd | 17:12 |
| Teemu | yup | 17:13 |
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| Teemu | i'll link a pic of me having a leisurely biking competition on sea ice at roughly -15C | 17:14 |
| r0kk3rz | nomeata: they're probably symlinked | 17:14 |
| Teemu | https://irc-galleria.net/user/temmi_hoo/picture/96321654 | 17:14 |
| Ezko | i think it's time to see what the driving conditions are like tonight | 17:14 |
| nomeata | r0kk3rz: it seems to be a FUSE mount, dunno why though | 17:14 |
| Nicd- | Teemu: irc-galleria, blast from the past | 17:14 |
| Teemu | it could've been current but they chose to do ugly stuff and people left | 17:15 |
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| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/69447/how-many-more-than-me-is-thinking-the-tablet-could-be-used-for-a-vr-display/ | 18:01 |
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| sharpneli | "should be not to big of a problem creating the VR experience that Occulus fights with." And then you'll notice that anything over 20ms latency is going to make you puke and then you'll notice that achieving that in android = ahahahaha fat chance. | 18:02 |
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| Stskeeps | well | 18:03 |
| sharpneli | With Intel GPU it just might be doable tho. Their drivers are not the cesspools of horror which is QC stack. | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | that's a very good question how that'd work in practice | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:03 |
| suosaaski | the tablet is rather heavy for vr display :| | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | strenghtening your neck for sure | 18:04 |
| r0kk3rz | they do quite a number of hacks directly to the display on the DK2 | 18:04 |
| r0kk3rz | and are set to do more | 18:04 |
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| suosaaski | more than double the weight of a suitable phone | 18:04 |
| r0kk3rz | but they have carmack working on the samsung mobile version | 18:05 |
| r0kk3rz | using a standard samsung note 3 or whatever | 18:05 |
| r0kk3rz | and if anyone is going to make it work, its that guy | 18:05 |
| suosaaski | note 4 | 18:05 |
| r0kk3rz | that one | 18:06 |
| suosaaski | it already works? | 18:06 |
| suosaaski | iirc | 18:06 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah it does | 18:06 |
| r0kk3rz | theres a really really good talk by carmack on the situation | 18:06 |
| suosaaski | yes. | 18:06 |
| r0kk3rz | i quite enjoyed it | 18:06 |
| suosaaski | I actually have one article "saved for later" on feedly that I have not yet read. Perhaps I should, it's been there months :) | 18:07 |
| r0kk3rz | but only by doing some clever hacks on the display stack | 18:07 |
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| suosaaski | http://techcrunch.com/2014/09/03/samsung-gear-vr-oculus-ceo-brendan-iribe/?ncid=rss | 18:07 |
| r0kk3rz | and still not as good as actually hacking the hardware | 18:07 |
| r0kk3rz | http://www.roadtovr.com/john-carmacks-brilliant-oculus-connect-keynote-goes-off-message-from-the-standard-pr-plan/ << for anyone wondering what im talking about | 18:08 |
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| gogeta | Stskeeps, i think rather then this things | 18:09 |
| gogeta | jolla must focus on personal productivity | 18:10 |
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| vyncie | re | 18:13 |
| vyncie | does anyone have any neat ideas for talking to arduino or raspberry over i2c? i know they have it and the jolla has one, my imagination is kinda dead as to connecting them in a useful fashion | 18:17 |
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| Teemu | you can flash a stm32 device via that | 18:18 |
| Teemu | kimmoli has something to that effect and to me it is pretty interesting as my main line of work consists of deveoping stm32 based embedded software and hardware | 18:19 |
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| kimmoli | ? | 18:20 |
| kimmoli | i can publish the stm32 schematics of the programming interface if someone is interested | 18:21 |
| Teemu | i am | 18:21 |
| kimmoli | it uses INT pin in bidirectional way, to enable programming when powering up and then as int from stm32 to jolla | 18:21 |
| Teemu | i'm also interested in having something like a showoff of efforts that you can use jolla devices for ell-i hardware | 18:22 |
| kimmoli | (middle of another schematic/layout now, will do in few hours) | 18:22 |
| Teemu | oh okay | 18:22 |
| Teemu | i'm not in a great hurry | 18:22 |
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| Teemu | btw where do you work geographically? | 18:23 |
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| kimmoli | espoo | 18:25 |
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| kimmoli | and. no not worked at nixu | 18:27 |
| Teemu | do i ask the nixu question from everyone or just you? | 18:30 |
| Teemu | my cooperative is hosted at otaniementie 19 eit helsinki clc and i'd be pretty interested in seeing something like this do something | 18:31 |
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| kimmoli | i have heard that question before.. | 18:35 |
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| Teemu | i'm not sure if i asked it | 18:37 |
| Teemu | i just did happen to found ellicoop with pnr | 18:37 |
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| japa-fi | Is there a nice native audio player for jolla? | 20:08 |
| gogeta | quasar mx | 20:08 |
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| kimmoli | Teemu: https://app.younited.com/?shareObject=cfaf87b6-6cf4-d73f-b85b-a8c938813f95 | 21:04 |
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| Teemu | loadingu | 21:06 |
| Teemu | would you want to meet irl to see more about how things go? | 21:07 |
| kimmoli | might be possible | 21:09 |
| Teemu | i'd be interested in seeing how to modify that schematic to work with the stm nucleo card family | 21:10 |
| Teemu | they do have a st-link2 card in front of the main mcu | 21:11 |
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| kimmoli | just get rid of the stlink part, wire reset, SDA/SCL, and BOOT0 to the main cpu ? | 21:17 |
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| Teemu | i think it could be done | 21:21 |
| Teemu | all the pins of the main mcu are available on the morpho headers | 21:21 |
| Teemu | morpho being a pretty well designed set of headers that appears on all nucleo boards | 21:23 |
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| Teemu | now, what does d2 do in that schematic? | 21:32 |
| Teemu | protect sda/scl from over/undershoot? | 21:32 |
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| kimmoli | D2.. | 21:42 |
| kimmoli | it is EEPROM | 21:42 |
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| kimmoli | Teemu: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/The_other_half#The_unofficial_EEPROM_configuration_functionality | 21:44 |
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| Teemu | i'm very new to the whole sailfish thing | 21:46 |
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| Teemu | oh oh that way | 21:50 |
| Teemu | pretty cool and simple | 21:50 |
| kimmoli | yes. that was todays doze. i need to change polarisation. GN | 21:50 |
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| Teemu | 73 | 21:53 |
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| pdanek1 | Is Jolla fully functional in Vietnam? | 22:23 |
| pdanek1 | 2G/3G? | 22:23 |
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| mornfall | pdanek1: same 3G frequencies as .cz, so probably yes | 22:25 |
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| mornfall | pdanek1: http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html | 22:25 |
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| pdanek1 | mornfall: thx | 22:26 |
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| gogeta | http://pastebin.com/BYYwSuSW | 22:38 |
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| gogeta | Stskeeps, i wrote here is more on topic | 22:47 |
| gogeta | after restarting alien dalvik | 22:47 |
| gogeta | notification wokrs | 22:47 |
| gogeta | *works | 22:47 |
| gogeta | but stil got error for mediaplayer | 22:47 |
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