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| Venemo | hey | 07:24 |
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| locusf | hey Venemo | 07:25 |
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| Venemo | hey locusf :) | 07:45 |
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| Tomo | there's a discussion going on #elsewhere about recording phone calls and how it's limited in software because of laws in some countries | 08:31 |
| Tomo | what's the situation on Jolla? | 08:32 |
| mornfall | Tomo: there's a call recorder on openrepos IIRC | 08:32 |
| Nicd- | someone managed to make a phone recording app, it's on openrepos I think | 08:32 |
| Nicd- | but there's some work to do in the UI afaik | 08:32 |
| Tomo | thanks, that's what i wanted to know :) | 08:32 |
| phlixi | Hi | 08:42 |
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| phlixi | I would like to get the Lastu case for my Jolla tablet... | 08:42 |
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| phlixi | ...someone interested in me using his referal? | 08:43 |
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| phlixi | then please give me your link asap ;-) | 08:43 |
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| ilpianista | phlixi me!!! | 08:43 |
| ilpianista | phlixi: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet/x/9179278 | 08:44 |
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| phlixi | now we are a littlebit closer to the strech goals :-) | 08:52 |
| ilpianista | phlixi: great. thank you :-) | 08:52 |
| pp_ | hrmrmn, should decide tohkbd colors soon :( | 08:54 |
| pp_ | sooo many choices, difficult! | 08:54 |
| phlixi | by the way, 3h left at https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2028347278/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla ;-) | 08:54 |
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| pp_ | maybe alumide-kelo-alumide, but maybe I want a hint of first ones red there! | 08:58 |
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| meklu | red-kelo-black? | 08:58 |
| Nicd- | meklu: might even call that... red-black-tree | 08:59 |
| Nicd- | *ba-dum-pshh* | 08:59 |
| pp_ | that does look nice too | 08:59 |
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| pp_ | hmn, should ask the tohkbd guys to maybe publish the top 10 combos to make choosing easier | 09:00 |
| pp_ | would minimize their work too I suppose :-) | 09:00 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | hi guys | 09:47 |
| dr_gogeta86 | iekku, who is store account manager ? | 09:47 |
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| iekku | dr_gogeta86, could you please tell what you want to know or get us to do, we don't have such position :) | 10:19 |
| iekku | dr_gogeta86, you can tell here, msg me or send mail to developer-care@ | 10:20 |
| dr_gogeta86 | simple | 10:20 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i'd remember that was a reward if your discount code was used am I wrong? | 10:20 |
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| pdanek | Hello | 10:24 |
| pdanek | When I set Here Maps to offline and I set no traffic iformation. | 10:25 |
| pdanek | It still asks me for internet connection every few seconds, quite annoying. | 10:25 |
| pdanek | Do you know how to work-around it? | 10:25 |
| pdanek | Or how to force Jolla not to constantly ask for internet connection for applications? | 10:25 |
| pdanek | Makes Here almost unusable for me. | 10:25 |
| ln- | that's the most annoying feature of N9, glad it made its way to sailfish. | 10:27 |
| pdanek | :D | 10:27 |
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| Tomo | there's a recent question (improvement request) on TJC considering that | 10:28 |
| ilpianista | dr_gogeta86: yep, an Aloe TOH. I got mine 2 days ago | 10:29 |
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| japa-fi_ | Wow, got my jolla just one hour ago! | 10:33 |
| japa-fi_ | And joined tohkbd kickstarter | 10:33 |
| daitheflu | japa-fi_: welcome to the Jolla-owners community :) | 10:34 |
| japa-fi_ | If you don't mind, I'd ask couple of usability questions: How do I view all contacts the same way as with N900 | 10:34 |
| japa-fi_ | Currently I've tapped people, then I need to select the initial letter. I'd just wnt to scroll the whole list | 10:34 |
| japa-fi_ | (btw. syncing contacts from n900 was a breeze, thanks for that to whoever decided the feature worthy of having in the phone) | 10:35 |
| Sail0r | japa-fi_: join #jollatohkbd | 10:36 |
| Sail0r | :) | 10:36 |
| japa-fi_ | btw. currently at office (meeting), japa-fi is my main account :) (already here and idle) | 10:37 |
| Sail0r | ah :) | 10:37 |
| meklu | heh, the tohkbd kickstarter is ending in about an hour :) | 10:38 |
| meklu | not bad timing! | 10:38 |
| japa-fi_ | just that i'm too happy with my phone to wait until the day at office is over. I try to play around with it discreetly ithot others not noticing | 10:38 |
| japa-fi_ | I joined the kickstarter some 40 mins ago | 10:38 |
| japa-fi_ | Just made it! | 10:38 |
| japa-fi_ | as old n900 user that was my biggest issue moving away from n900: hardware keyboard | 10:39 |
| ilpianista | yep the TOHKBD is great! (just too expensive for me yet) | 10:40 |
| japa-fi_ | so the original question: is it possible to scroll all contacts without going trough them by each letter | 10:40 |
| daitheflu | japa-fi_: I don't think so | 10:41 |
| ilpianista | me neither | 10:41 |
| iekku | dr_gogeta86, ah, you are speaking about jolla-shop. if i were you, i would send email to info@ | 10:45 |
| japa-fi_ | daitheflu, Ok, thanks for the info. Now I can stop looking for it :) | 10:46 |
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| japa-fi_ | any known issues with syncing contacts? there is one contact info that didn't get synced. even manually sending via bluetooth (n900 -> jolla), the file is transferred but contact not visible in "people" | 11:02 |
| tadzik | sure it's not there under a diffent name or something? | 11:04 |
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| japa-fi_ | just went trough all the contacts. | 11:06 |
| japa-fi_ | not there... | 11:06 |
| Nicd- | I have many contacts that show up as numbers in the contact list | 11:06 |
| Nicd- | when I open them, they are moved into the correct place :) | 11:06 |
| Nicd- | until I reopen the people app... | 11:07 |
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| japa-fi_ | out of my 47 contacts from n900, i can find 46 in jolla | 11:09 |
| japa-fi_ | just that the contact in question is my best friend, the person I call the most (aside my wife) | 11:10 |
| meklu | that seems odd | 11:10 |
| meklu | any special characters that could break it? | 11:11 |
| japa-fi_ | Ah found it (partly) | 11:11 |
| japa-fi_ | The file was received, still needed to import | 11:11 |
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| RavenholmDX | Just got my Jolla | 11:17 |
| RavenholmDX | nice stuff | 11:17 |
| RavenholmDX | especially with the black TOH | 11:17 |
| Pawky | :-) | 11:17 |
| Morpog_PC | Now the hard decission: opt-in for update9 or wait for update10 :D | 11:17 |
| Morpog_PC | I love the smoothness of U9, it feels like it got a quad core cpu upgrade :D | 11:18 |
| Yaniel | haha :D | 11:18 |
| Yaniel | not bad for a singlecore device | 11:18 |
| Morpog_PC | errr, it's dual core | 11:19 |
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| tadzik | smoothness of u9? I thought the point of it being opt-in is because it stutters | 11:20 |
| Yaniel | still impressive | 11:20 |
| Yaniel | it has problems when memory runs low | 11:20 |
| Morpog_PC | tadzik, only when memory is full | 11:20 |
| Morpog_PC | all the other times (like 90%) it's smooth as butter | 11:20 |
| tadzik | yeah, true | 11:20 |
| RavenholmDX | what are the chances of a Jolla 2 next year? | 11:21 |
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| tadzik | I'd say infinitesimal | 11:21 |
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| tadzik | with tablet rolling out I don't think jolla is going to release yet another device | 11:22 |
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| Nicd- | marc did say jolla 2 no later than next year afaik | 11:22 |
| Nicd- | but plans change | 11:22 |
| RavenholmDX | Coming from a Nexus 5 | 11:22 |
| RavenholmDX | Jolla feels pretty dated | 11:22 |
| tadzik | feels? | 11:22 |
| RavenholmDX | low resolution screen | 11:22 |
| tadzik | ah | 11:22 |
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| RavenholmDX | UI isn't as smooth (even though it's quite smooth) | 11:23 |
| RavenholmDX | I like it though | 11:23 |
| Nicd- | yeah, the hardware is mediocre. but you can put sailfish on your nexus 5 ;) | 11:23 |
| RavenholmDX | I'm gonna sell my Nexus 5 | 11:23 |
| RavenholmDX | headphone port is a bit iffy | 11:23 |
| ilpianista | I don't get the resolution thing...I don't need a 2000x1500 on the tablet neither | 11:23 |
| Morpog_PC | RavenholmDX, UI lag is because you are not on Update9 | 11:23 |
| RavenholmDX | ilpianista, 1920x1080 on a Jolla 2 would be perfect | 11:24 |
| RavenholmDX | if you say you can't see a difference | 11:24 |
| ilpianista | yes I don't see the difference | 11:24 |
| Morpog_PC | I would be ok with 720p on a display between 4,5" and 5" | 11:24 |
| RavenholmDX | you should visit your optometrist | 11:24 |
| ilpianista | :-) | 11:24 |
| meklu | Morpog_PC: there's still UI lag on u9 | 11:24 |
| meklu | :) | 11:25 |
| tadzik | well, there's a difference between seeing the difference and caring about it :)Y | 11:25 |
| Morpog_PC | no need for 1080p or 1440p | 11:25 |
| meklu | it's just less apparent | 11:25 |
| Morpog_PC | meklu, not much | 11:25 |
| meklu | maybe I'm being a 144Hz snob then ;) | 11:25 |
| Morpog_PC | you still can change the GPU governor to performance to have it ultra smooth ;) | 11:25 |
| RavenholmDX | Jolla 2 really should be 1080p | 11:25 |
| tadzik | I can tell the difference between 60 and 30fps but it doesn't mean I threw my kindle in a trash can | 11:25 |
| RavenholmDX | even if you don't care | 11:25 |
| meklu | and that'll only chew through the battery in four minutes! :D | 11:25 |
| RavenholmDX | it has its merits | 11:25 |
| meklu | four precious minutes of usage, that sounds workable ;) | 11:25 |
| Morpog_PC | RavenholmDX, do you have developer mode enabled? | 11:26 |
| RavenholmDX | no | 11:26 |
| ilpianista | BTW, if anyone wants to donate to indiegogo please use my referal link :-P I just need few dollars to get the lastucase :-) | 11:26 |
| SK_work | 1080p could be nice :) | 11:26 |
| Morpog_PC | sure it would be nice to have, still I would be ok with 720p :D | 11:26 |
| RavenholmDX | 1080p + dual core snapdragon + beefy GPU | 11:26 |
| tadzik | I guess resolution is one of the things that hurt your eyes once you get used to something better | 11:28 |
| RavenholmDX | hypothetical question | 11:28 |
| RavenholmDX | would it be possible to run Linux games on the tablet? | 11:28 |
| tadzik | glad I never did :) | 11:28 |
| RavenholmDX | considering it's x86 | 11:28 |
| tadzik | RavenholmDX: if they run on wayland... :) | 11:28 |
| ilpianista | tadzik: yep I guess so | 11:28 |
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| Nicd- | all games for the tablet would be linux games by definition... | 11:28 |
| RavenholmDX | but I mean established Linux games, like Steam games | 11:28 |
| tadzik | technically android games are linux games too, but that's not the point :) | 11:28 |
| Nicd- | all native games at least | 11:28 |
| tadzik | but yes, having Steam on the tablet would be kickass | 11:29 |
| Nicd- | you can already have android steam | 11:29 |
| Nicd- | but it's not for playing | 11:29 |
| tadzik | that's not steam-steam | 11:29 |
| tadzik | right | 11:29 |
| Nicd- | steamos on the tablet? :D | 11:29 |
| Nicd- | I'm gonna try steamos on my own PC this week | 11:29 |
| RavenholmDX | If I could do Steam Home Streaming on the tablet I'd be happy | 11:29 |
| tadzik | with jolla phone as a controller | 11:29 |
| RavenholmDX | Nicd-, I was playing CS:GO last night on Mint | 11:30 |
| Nicd- | I just got a GPU that has decent linux support | 11:30 |
| RavenholmDX | performance isn't as good as Windows | 11:30 |
| RavenholmDX | what GPU? | 11:30 |
| Nicd- | so finally can try SteamOS | 11:30 |
| Nicd- | GTX 460 | 11:30 |
| RavenholmDX | ah | 11:30 |
| tadzik | well, I have over 120 fps with csgo, so even if it's worse than windows I don't really caer | 11:30 |
| RavenholmDX | I have a 970 | 11:30 |
| RavenholmDX | was a bitch to get running | 11:30 |
| Nicd- | used to have AMD HD 4850 and it had some really old drivers | 11:30 |
| RavenholmDX | yeah I had a 4850 | 11:31 |
| RavenholmDX | and upgraded to the GTX 460 too :P | 11:31 |
| meklu | RavenholmDX: what CPU do you have? | 11:31 |
| RavenholmDX | 4670k @ 4.4Ghz | 11:31 |
| RavenholmDX | 16GB DDR3-2400 | 11:31 |
| meklu | hmm, okay | 11:31 |
| RavenholmDX | why? | 11:31 |
| meklu | I've got an FX-8320 @ 4GHz | 11:31 |
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| Tegu | radeon 9200 ftw! | 11:31 |
| meklu | I thought that Intel users might have a better experience :) | 11:31 |
| meklu | due to the funky translation layer Valve uses for their Source engine titles | 11:32 |
| RavenholmDX | I had an AMD 7850k before the 4670k | 11:32 |
| meklu | seemed to be somewhat CPU intensive | 11:32 |
| RavenholmDX | I get like 300FPS in CS:GO | 11:33 |
| RavenholmDX | on highest settings | 11:33 |
| RavenholmDX | but it has slight stutter | 11:33 |
| meklu | :O | 11:33 |
| tadzik | I used to have massive framerate drops when jumping ;_; | 11:33 |
| tadzik | it was horrible in comp | 11:33 |
| tadzik | I think they fixed that though | 11:33 |
| meklu | I don't get 300fps | 11:34 |
| meklu | and my GPU is a GTX660 | 11:34 |
| meklu | so I'd say it looks like my CPU is the bottleneck :) | 11:35 |
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| RavenholmDX | well I have a GTX 970 | 11:35 |
| tadzik | there's quite a difference between 660 and 970 :) | 11:35 |
| meklu | oh | 11:35 |
| meklu | : | 11:35 |
| meklu | :D | 11:35 |
| Nicd- | HD6870 for life | 11:35 |
| meklu | >RavenholmDX | and upgraded to the GTX 460 too :P | 11:35 |
| meklu | I thought you were still on that | 11:35 |
| RavenholmDX | I meant from my 4850 | 11:35 |
| tadzik | RavenholmDX: those 300fps are on 1080p though, right | 11:36 |
| meklu | yeah, got it | 11:36 |
| tadzik | (that was a question, forgot a ?) | 11:36 |
| meklu | the stuttering seems to apply to all their Source games | 11:36 |
| meklu | it seems somewhat erratic for some reason | 11:37 |
| meklu | I blame Scaleform | 11:37 |
| Nicd- | as long as PAYDAY 2 works (once they release the linux version) | 11:37 |
| tadzik | hmm, I never experience stutters in tf2 | 11:37 |
| meklu | for the greater stuttering in CS:GO | 11:37 |
| meklu | tadzik: Intel? | 11:37 |
| tadzik | meklu: no, nvidia | 11:37 |
| tadzik | oh, cpu is intel, yes | 11:37 |
| meklu | :) | 11:37 |
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| meklu | have you had ridiculous framerate drops when opening the scoreboard as of late? | 11:38 |
| meklu | after the operation vanguard stuff came out? | 11:38 |
| meklu | has been a way worse effect than before | 11:39 |
| RavenholmDX | tadzik, yeah | 11:39 |
| * meklu is horribly off-topic | 11:39 | |
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| RavenholmDX | I get around 700FPS on Windows | 11:39 |
| RavenholmDX | if I turn the Source FPS cap off | 11:39 |
| RavenholmDX | (which is around 300) | 11:39 |
| meklu | it's 300 by default | 11:39 |
| tadzik | that's just waste of electricity :) | 11:39 |
| RavenholmDX | yeah | 11:40 |
| RavenholmDX | and just causes coil whine | 11:40 |
| tadzik | you should get a 4k display though | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | RavenholmDX: did you upgrade device yet? | 11:40 |
| RavenholmDX | device? | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | as in, your new jolla | 11:40 |
| RavenholmDX | I just got my Jolla | 11:40 |
| meklu | phone, to u9 | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | do that, then evaluate | 11:41 |
| meklu | or just u8 | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | we improved massively | 11:41 |
| RavenholmDX | I'm on u8 | 11:41 |
| RavenholmDX | how do I get to u9? | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | opting in if you want to | 11:41 |
| zutto | i just updated to the .39 3 hours ago | 11:41 |
| meklu | there was this opt-in email address somewhere | 11:41 |
| zutto | so far so good :P | 11:41 |
| RavenholmDX | how big is the u9 update? | 11:41 |
| zutto | https://together.jolla.com/question/59874/release-notes-opt-in-upgrade-to-software-version-11038-uitukka/ <-- | 11:41 |
| RavenholmDX | no risks with updating? | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | can always factory reset | 11:42 |
| RavenholmDX | will that not just reset it to u9? | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | no | 11:43 |
| meklu | it'll reset to whatever was shipped with the device | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | factory reset = reset to what was put on in factory | 11:43 |
| pp_ | I'd guess u9 should be fine as long as you don't use lots-of-apps-hogging-memory | 11:44 |
| pp_ | if you do, u8 and waiting for u10 may be wiser | 11:44 |
| mornfall | pp_: with anything android qualifying as a memory hog | 11:45 |
| pp_ | light use of banking app seems safe enough | 11:45 |
| pp_ | but probably yes | 11:45 |
| mornfall | well, true, but I already enabled zram | 11:46 |
| RavenholmDX | i'm hoping to not use any android apps | 11:46 |
| RavenholmDX | seems like Sailfish has everything I need | 11:46 |
| mornfall | RavenholmDX: that's very optimistic :-) | 11:46 |
| RavenholmDX | and I can make whatever it doesn't | 11:46 |
| meklu | haven't had too many issues with the few android apps I've run | 11:46 |
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| meklu | although I usually only run one of those at a time | 11:46 |
| RavenholmDX | My main mobile uses these days | 11:46 |
| RavenholmDX | are videos and podcasts | 11:46 |
| RavenholmDX | and some very light FB and Twitter | 11:47 |
| Ezko | mine are irc and fb messenger | 11:47 |
| RavenholmDX | Actually, IRC too | 11:47 |
| RavenholmDX | IRC for Sailfish seems pretty good | 11:47 |
| RavenholmDX | haven't used it yet though | 11:47 |
| ilpianista | is there a way to permantly flash an update? | 11:47 |
| ilpianista | e.g. I want factory reset to reset it to u8 | 11:48 |
| meklu | if you yell at optima loud enough that might happen | 11:48 |
| mornfall | RavenholmDX: IRC is good, but suffers from connectivity problems (well, everything does) | 11:48 |
| RavenholmDX | I've not used a mobile IRC app that doesn't | 11:49 |
| RavenholmDX | I use a bouncer, so I don't need to be connected all the time anyway | 11:49 |
| RavenholmDX | only when the app is active | 11:49 |
| mornfall | RavenholmDX: I have a bouncer too... but I used to connect through openvpn and it was a nightmare | 11:49 |
| mornfall | RavenholmDX: I moved it to a public IP so it might have gotten better, but I'm waiting for client tracking in ZNC anyway | 11:50 |
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| Morpog_PC | congratulations kimmoli dirkvl and andrew | 11:58 |
| Morpog_PC | 1,217 | 11:58 |
| Morpog_PC | backers, | 11:58 |
| Morpog_PC | €166,840 | 11:58 |
| Morpog_PC | pledged of €55,000 goal, | 11:58 |
| Morpog_PC | 0 | 11:58 |
| Morpog_PC | seconds to go | 11:58 |
| Morpog_PC | wtf, where did the linefeeds come from.... | 11:59 |
| kimmoli | :) | 11:59 |
| kimmoli | Morpog_PC: o/ | 11:59 |
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| Morpog_PC | eeek, nowadays all those referal links to jolla tablet :D | 12:01 |
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| kimmoli | Morpog_PC: quilty | 12:04 |
| RavenholmDX | Is there a native Sailfish offline maps solution? | 12:04 |
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| mornfall | RavenholmDX: haha :-) that's a ... touchy question | 12:06 |
| mornfall | RavenholmDX: here comes android | 12:06 |
| RavenholmDX | Guess I'll have to make one then :P | 12:06 |
| locusf | no native but here beta for android works well | 12:07 |
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| mornfall | RavenholmDX: yes, please do :) | 12:08 |
| mornfall | at least I won't have to | 12:08 |
| mornfall | (it's really embarassing though) | 12:08 |
| RavenholmDX | I like Maps.me on Android | 12:08 |
| RavenholmDX | I'd basically just want something to pull the maps from OpenStreetMaps and load a KML file to plot points | 12:09 |
| mornfall | RavenholmDX: yes, basically packaging a renderer for OSM data would be fine | 12:10 |
| mornfall | RavenholmDX: there are multiple tile-based map apps in openrepos | 12:10 |
| mornfall | RavenholmDX: (bulk downloads from OSM tile servers are forbidden) | 12:10 |
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| jonwil | It seems like open source map programs that can actually render data (rather than just displaying tiles downloaded from Google or OSM or wherever) are thin on the ground | 12:11 |
| mornfall | jonwil: because rendering vector maps is CPU-intensive | 12:11 |
| mornfall | jonwil: not a problem on PC but phones are a stretch | 12:11 |
| jonwil | well Nokia Maps on my N900 does it | 12:11 |
| mornfall | yes, but it's not something you could hack up in an afternoon :-) | 12:12 |
| jonwil | true | 12:12 |
| mornfall | but pre-rendering tiles would work even on a phone | 12:12 |
| mornfall | memory is cheap (even if unbearably slow) | 12:13 |
| meklu | memory or storage? :) | 12:14 |
| mornfall | meklu: what's the difference? :P | 12:14 |
| meklu | RAM vs. disk | 12:14 |
| meklu | D: | 12:14 |
| mornfall | flash memory | 12:14 |
| mornfall | (obvously) | 12:14 |
| mornfall | +i | 12:14 |
| mornfall | it's basically all “just” integration work | 12:16 |
| mornfall | offline routing with monav would be probably good enough | 12:16 |
| jonwil | The biggest problem with the FOSS tile-based map programs I have seen is that even where they do support pre-downloading tiles and caching them, getting it to download the tiles you want can be a pain (i.e. none of them will let you say "download all tiles for Brisbane, Australia", you need to manually fiddle with coordinates and hope you dont miss important areas). Plus they dont make it... | 12:16 |
| jonwil | ...easy to download multiple zoom levels either. | 12:16 |
| mornfall | jonwil: yes | 12:17 |
| mornfall | jonwil: and again, pre-downloading tiles from OSM servers is against the TOS | 12:17 |
| mornfall | so that's not really a solution anyway | 12:17 |
| mornfall | but the OSM renderer can be had easily enough | 12:17 |
| tbr | well you could render them locally | 12:17 |
| mornfall | tbr: what I said 5 minute ago, yes | 12:18 |
| mornfall | minutes* damnit | 12:18 |
| tbr | :) | 12:18 |
| the_mgt | downloading them once while you use them and keeping them should be enough, no? | 12:18 |
| mornfall | the_mgt: that's not offline | 12:18 |
| the_mgt | not the first time | 12:18 |
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| the_mgt | but if you start somewhere with wifi, you should cover you hometown pretty fast | 12:19 |
| mornfall | the_mgt: data roaming is *expensive* (at least for EU citizens outside EU) | 12:19 |
| mornfall | the_mgt: I don't need offline maps for my -ing hometown :D | 12:19 |
| jonwil | A program that can pre-render tiles on a fast PC and store them to a cache on the phone (in multiple zoom levels) and can let you specify specific areas such as "Brisbane" or "Gold Coast" and not need to fiddle with coordinates would be a great thing to have if a real-time on-phone renderer is too hard to write. | 12:19 |
| the_mgt | well, your local region. if you go on a vacation, you probably have free/cheap wifi at your hostel/hotel or a fast food restaurant | 12:20 |
| mornfall | jonwil: whether it runs on PC or phone doesn't make a difference | 12:20 |
| mornfall | jonwil: you can run it hooked up on a charger and if it takes 10 minutes so wha | 12:20 |
| mornfall | what* | 12:20 |
| jonwil | Yeah true | 12:20 |
| mornfall | unless you run out of RAM of course | 12:20 |
| mornfall | but I don't expect you would | 12:20 |
| jonwil | the main thing would be the "specify what to render by location rather than by coordinates" thing | 12:21 |
| mornfall | sadly, for jolla the apparently only acceptable solution is HERE offline | 12:21 |
| mornfall | jonwil: well, in many cases “render a 5km circle around me” would be good enough ;-) | 12:21 |
| mornfall | as long as you carry the vector data | 12:22 |
| RavenholmDX | mornfall, you should use Maps.me | 12:22 |
| RavenholmDX | it's Android | 12:22 |
| RavenholmDX | but really good | 12:22 |
| mornfall | RavenholmDX: yeah, but that's a non-solution, I don't want to run android services if I don't have to | 12:22 |
| RavenholmDX | sure | 12:22 |
| RavenholmDX | I'm the same | 12:22 |
| RavenholmDX | is there a HERE Offline though? | 12:23 |
| mornfall | RavenholmDX: especially because installed = running whenever you run aliendalvik.service | 12:23 |
| mornfall | RavenholmDX: only for android | 12:23 |
| jonwil | The other big thing almost no FOSS map programs seem to be able to do is to use Google Transit GTFS data as made available by various transit agencies around the world. | 12:23 |
| mornfall | RavenholmDX: it's a highest-ever voted thing on TJC but largely ignored | 12:23 |
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| mornfall | RavenholmDX: (and all android apps are shady by default, so keeping aliendalvik.service from running is a very desirable policy) | 12:25 |
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| jonwil | As for the 5km distance, for me it would need to be 50km or more (I have traveled easily as far as 50km in various directions as-the-crow-flies from my house in support of my LEGO hobby) | 12:27 |
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| mornfall | jonwil: well, I mostly walk :-) | 12:29 |
| jonwil | great if you live close enough to stuff to be able to do that | 12:30 |
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| mornfall | jonwil: well, I don't need the hundreds of km of train trip in a map ... pointing a finger at a city centre and saying 5 (10) km circle would satisfy me; I agree that for drivers it's nothing | 12:31 |
| mornfall | jonwil: would need to measure how long rendering a whole country (state) takes | 12:31 |
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| RavenholmDX | mornfall, that's how gMaps works for offline isn't it? | 12:35 |
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| jonwil | In my case I need all the stuff inside that 50-100km circle because in terms of, say, big shopping centers, the ones I visit in search of LEGO are at 500m, 7.5km, 11.5km, 20.9km, 33.0km, 15.9km, 2.9km, 34.5km, 41.5km, 43.4km, 26.4km, 37.4km, 41.2km, 50.6km, 45.1km and 26.2km as-the-crow-flies in various directions | 12:41 |
| jonwil | So its not just a case of needing 5km around certain landmarks and leaving the rest to train and bus trips, I need everything. Which eats flash space and would probably take hours to render on a slow phone. | 12:42 |
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| mornfall | jonwil: probably only one way to find out :-) | 12:49 |
| jonwil | :) | 12:49 |
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| mornfall | jonwil: btw. both monav and marble have on-the-fly vector renderers, but I have no idea how they perform | 12:50 |
| mornfall | jonwil: monav was usable on N900 but the output is pretty ugly and missing a lot of detail | 12:50 |
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| mornfall | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnZDkxj2SUU | 12:51 |
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| mornfall | also https://marble.kde.org/features.php | 12:55 |
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| Sail0r | https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/04/nsa-auroragold-hack-cellphones/ | 12:59 |
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| mornfall | Sail0r: end-to-end encryption, what can I say :-) oh, and onion routing | 13:01 |
| Sail0r | or simple do not use the internet and cellphones :P | 13:02 |
| mornfall | I know GSM is “encrypted” and stuff, but it's really no different from gmail :-) | 13:02 |
| Sail0r | and stay in the woods | 13:02 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 13:02 |
| mornfall | the operator can read (listen to) anything they want | 13:03 |
| mornfall | and if the operator can, probably anyone can :-) | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | well, they give you the encryption keys, of course they can.. :P | 13:03 |
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| mornfall | Stskeeps: obviously, it's designed to keep the “bad guys” out (and the operator is never the bad guy, ofc) | 13:04 |
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| Sail0r | wtf http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/200-libby-clark/797530-samsungs-open-source-group-is-growing-hiring-developers-video | 13:10 |
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| Stskeeps | this has come up a couple of times.. do i need to see this? | 13:11 |
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| Venemo_j | Stskeeps: what's wrong with it? | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | i don't know :P | 13:13 |
| Venemo_j | :P | 13:13 |
| Milo- | Merge Request !69 was merged | 13:13 |
| Milo- | wrong window. | 13:13 |
| Milo- | it appears | 13:13 |
| kapinter | Hi! It's not possible to install "7 minutes exercise" app from Jolla store, it says "Problem with installing". Can anyone please check it? | 13:15 |
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| nazanin | kapinter: I will check it now | 13:28 |
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| kapinter | nazanin: ok, thanks | 13:29 |
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| nazanin | kapinter: will you please check again? | 13:35 |
| kapinter | nazanin: ok, now it works. will the update work for the others? Am I doing something wrong in the app dev that it doesn't work? (Previous release had the same issue.) | 13:38 |
| nazanin | kapinter: no it's nothing from your side. apps starting with a number seems to cause a bit of a problem sometimes, but we're on it for a fix :) | 13:39 |
| nazanin | thanks for reporting it | 13:39 |
| kapinter | nazanin: thanks a lot for fixing it! :) | 13:40 |
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| nazanin | kapinter: thanks to our Store guys for fixing it :) | 13:41 |
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| tadzik | hmm, it seems like mediaplayer likes ogg, but doesn't recognize ogg id3 tags | 14:33 |
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| meklu | shouldn't you use ogg metadata? | 14:34 |
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| tbr | there are no id3 tags in ogg, there are vorbis comments in ogg/vorbis | 14:35 |
| tadzik | possibly. I used id3tool and it worked | 14:35 |
| tadzik | at least id3tool itself can read what it wrote | 14:35 |
| tbr | use ogginfo | 14:35 |
| tadzik | maybe those are vorbis comments | 14:35 |
| tbr | maybe that tool screwed up your files now | 14:35 |
| tadzik | they still play :) | 14:35 |
| tbr | *shrug* | 14:36 |
| tadzik | I'll see what's up with these | 14:36 |
| jjanvier | hello guys, I'd to re buy a jolla (mine has been stolen a few months ago), but I need to know if it's fully compatible with an android app I need. This app is slack (https://slack.com/). Did someone test it on a jolla phone ? | 14:36 |
| Nicd- | jjanvier: is there an apk? I can test if there is because we use slack at work too | 14:38 |
| jjanvier | Nicd-: it seems yes. But I don't if those kind of sites are safe http://downloader-apk.com/slack/ | 14:40 |
| jjanvier | don't know* | 14:40 |
| Nicd- | sorry, I won't install it from a 3rd party apk downloader | 14:41 |
| jjanvier | yeah, understand | 14:42 |
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| jjanvier | Nicd-: you don't have yandex ? | 14:44 |
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| Nicd- | is it in yandex+ | 14:45 |
| Nicd- | *? | 14:45 |
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| jjanvier | Nicd-: don't know, I can't test ^^ | 14:46 |
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| j-doge | jjanvier: at least the app launches, can't give 100% assurance that everything works in the app | 14:47 |
| jjanvier | j-doge: thanks ;) | 14:48 |
| Nicd- | I'm checking yandex | 14:48 |
| chem|st | Nicd-: play | 14:48 |
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| Nicd- | yeah, not on yandex | 14:49 |
| Nicd- | I don't have gplay, I'm trying to avoid it | 14:49 |
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| chem|st | you are avoiding it... ;) I try to but there are some sailing apps on play only | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | i'm using aptoide fwiw | 14:50 |
| Nicd- | my bank's app is on gplay only :/ | 14:51 |
| Nicd- | but such is life | 14:51 |
| the_mgt | same here with banking app. do not really trust aptoide for that | 14:51 |
| chem|st | Nicd-: if your bank is not providing their own app on their website, something is wrong, despite the fact that banking apps on android are a pretty stupid idea | 14:51 |
| the_mgt | is it possible to download the apk from g's play website? | 14:51 |
| Tegu | aptoides seems somewhat dodgy | 14:52 |
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| Tegu | err, dunno if that's a proper word.. but not so trustworthy or something | 14:52 |
| j-doge | the_mgt: with apkleechers yes, straight from the site afaik no | 14:52 |
| Tomo | gotta say i am very happy now after turning on gplay services on jolla | 14:52 |
| chem|st | the_mgt: as long as they are unpaid, there are webdownloaders for gplay | 14:52 |
| chem|st | Tomo: you are happy that you need google services? | 14:53 |
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| Tomo | no | 14:53 |
| chem|st | ;) | 14:53 |
| chem|st | Tomo: apps requireing gservice wont get installed | 14:53 |
| Tomo | happy to have an up-to-date browser and somehow Viber started working better now that it's installed from Gplay | 14:53 |
| Tomo | from plain .apk install it was very unstable and notifications had some problems | 14:54 |
| anYc | amazon also works good so far | 14:54 |
| the_mgt | I had gplay for a while, but found it creepy | 14:54 |
| Tomo | my soul may belong to jesus, but my ass belongs to google | 14:55 |
| anYc | not as many apps as gplay but not as obscure as the other stores | 14:55 |
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| j-doge | amazon is just too keen to have my credit card number, although the store can be used without one | 14:56 |
| j-doge | just a bit annoying to set it up for the first time | 14:56 |
| anYc | I managed to have no google account but I had an amazon account anyway | 14:56 |
| anYc | j-doge: why? I just installed the apk from their website | 14:57 |
| j-doge | anYc: setting up an amazon account from the store app, iirc it asks for credit card number, but you can set up an account from the amazon web page without any payment info | 14:58 |
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| j-doge | just a minor gripe, I still do use amazon app store | 14:58 |
| anYc | ah ok | 14:58 |
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| japa-fi | Question to Finnish (or even better: Helsinki) Jolla users: Best jolla app for reittiopas? Best weather app? Also would need a calendar app similar to N900 widget. | 15:27 |
| japa-fi | Another question: I plugged jolla to my computer (Fedora 20), but no storage device was mounted. Does Jolla require memory card to display external storage? | 15:29 |
| calderon | Eemm.. can i add facebook contact manually somehow? if i know the @chat.facebook.com stuff.. and where to get that? | 15:29 |
| phaeron | japa-fi: it should show up as mtp device | 15:29 |
| j-doge | japa-fi: I personally use JollaOpas from openrepos, but don't know how handy it's in hki (it does do hki), personally don't care about weather and calendar so can't help you there | 15:29 |
| phdeswer | japa-fi: for the storage, did you select the pc suite mode (PC yhteys in .fi) and does fedora 20 support MTP? | 15:30 |
| j-doge | japa-fi: also, what kind of funcionality are you looking for reittiopas? JollaOpas is good for timetables, there's also some other app in openrepos that shows where individual busses are moving (don't know how it works in hki) | 15:30 |
| Sail0r | fedora does support mtp | 15:30 |
| calderon | somehow my jolla doesn't add my girlfriends fb to my contacts.. i allready factory reset my phone because i thought it was because of the BT sync from my n900 | 15:30 |
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| calderon | didnt help,, could manage if it was someone i don chat so much but.. :-) | 15:31 |
| calderon | or is it a bug? | 15:31 |
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| calderon | ok.. ill start discovering.. i was just annoyed that the sync frm the contacts gets everyone else from the 157 list but my GF :-p | 15:37 |
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| calderon | and when she messaged me i got message from service named by my real name and could not answer back... | 15:38 |
| calderon | messy stuff | 15:39 |
| japa-fi | phaeron, Selected PC mode. Nothing appeared (now on a second fedora). I don't have a memory card in the phone. If it matters | 15:40 |
| japa-fi | Thought the phone has internal memory available | 15:40 |
| japa-fi | A link to get me started on enabling open repositories | 15:40 |
| japa-fi | I'd like to go first with jolla software and only once I can't find what I need, then I'll look for android sw | 15:41 |
| j-doge | japa-fi: d/l and install https://openrepos.net/content/basil/warehouse-sailfishos *not officially supported | 15:42 |
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| japa-fi | Jolla not mounted to my fedora though.. it is regognized at some level though http://paste.fedoraproject.org/156632/41770789 | 15:45 |
| phaeron | japa-fi: if you are using gnome , does it show up as mtp device in nautilus ? | 15:47 |
| japa-fi | phaeron, I use mate. Nope, doesn't appear anywhere. | 15:48 |
| japa-fi | Tried also to make the device available to windows 7 in virtualbox, it regocnized jolla, but unable to install usb composite device driver | 15:49 |
| phaeron | it shows up in pcmanfm for me ( I use custom minimal desktop ) | 15:49 |
| ruskie | and now also have the lastucase perk yay | 15:49 |
| japa-fi | I'll have a go with plain win7 later today | 15:51 |
| japa-fi | (my n900 mounts no problemo..) | 15:51 |
| japa-fi | Just to make sure: No memory card is needed in jolla for it to be as mtp device? | 15:52 |
| Morpog_PC | yep | 15:52 |
| phaeron | japa-fi: should work fine without | 15:53 |
| japa-fi | nor any other steps? Remember, this is less than 10 hours in use, vanilla, plain jolla | 15:53 |
| phaeron | japa-fi: did you update to latest release ? | 15:53 |
| japa-fi | yes, that was the 1st thing I did | 15:53 |
| japa-fi | check for updates, then installed it | 15:53 |
| phaeron | ok note that factory reset removes the update | 15:53 |
| japa-fi | Oh, now I got notification "problem with connection" | 15:56 |
| phdeswer | japa-fi: most likely it is some fedora issue there. Maybe you need to make sure you have one of the latest version of libmtp | 15:57 |
| Yaniel | also note that you have to update to 1.0.2.5 first before you can upate to the latest version | 15:57 |
| phdeswer | And yes updating should help with getting mtp to work also | 15:58 |
| japa-fi | libmtp 1.1.8-1 installed | 15:59 |
| japa-fi | On Jolla I have 1.0.8.21 | 15:59 |
| japa-fi | (sailfishOs version that is) | 16:00 |
| phaeron | japa-fi: yum install simple-mtpfs and test using that | 16:02 |
| phaeron | simple-mtpfs -l | 16:02 |
| phaeron | should show 1: JollaSailfish | 16:02 |
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| chem|st | phaeron: do you have more knowledge about that? I miss the sdcard in debian | 16:06 |
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| phaeron | chem|st: what do you mean ? | 16:08 |
| japa-fi | phaeron, Aparently fedora problem. On a laptop with win7 I was able to access Jolla | 16:08 |
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| japa-fi | time to submit a bugreport to fedora | 16:08 |
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| japa-fi | phaeron, it does show: 1: JollaSailfish | 16:09 |
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| phaeron | japa-fi: it works on my fedora :) | 16:09 |
| chem|st | phaeron: knowhow about mtp, I don't see my sdcard of my jolla on my debian | 16:09 |
| japa-fi | phaeron, which version? | 16:10 |
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| japa-fi | I'm on F20 | 16:10 |
| japa-fi | darn, gotta go. | 16:10 |
| Venemo_j | worked for me on F20 although buggily | 16:11 |
| phaeron | I am on 21 beta but it used to work fine on 20 | 16:12 |
| phaeron | chem|st: hmm not sure if sdcard is exported over mtp | 16:12 |
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| chem|st | phaeron: it is | 16:13 |
| phaeron | I'll ask | 16:13 |
| chem|st | ta | 16:13 |
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| crazy_imp | are there know temperarature problems with the touchscreen? | 16:18 |
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| crazy_imp | known | 16:18 |
| crazy_imp | (like cold temperatures and not responding) | 16:18 |
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| zmo | hi! | 16:24 |
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| Stskeeps | hello hello | 16:24 |
| zmo | I'm about to go abroad for a couple of weeks, in a country where I just cannot consider using my mobile phone number | 16:24 |
| zmo | is there any way of configuring my VoIP line on jolla now? | 16:24 |
| zmo | (I didn't follow the news recently) | 16:24 |
| zmo | (all I'm asking is yes, no, and at best a nice resource to read) | 16:25 |
| SK_work | zmo: no | 16:26 |
| zmo | :'( | 16:26 |
| SK_work | sorry | 16:26 |
| SK_work | but there might be hope | 16:26 |
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| zmo | yup :-s | 16:28 |
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| RavenholmDX | How should I format my MicroSD? | 17:32 |
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| merlin1991 | RavenholmDX: mine is vfat | 17:37 |
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| Yaniel | mine is btrfs | 17:38 |
| Yaniel | in retrospect ext4 might have been a better choice | 17:38 |
| Yaniel | because of the btrfs metadata issues | 17:38 |
| RavenholmDX | I just went ext4 | 17:39 |
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| merlin1991 | I wonder if my tracker problems will go away with u10 | 17:42 |
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| mcuros_ | can you see ext4 on windows when connected by usb ? | 17:43 |
| RavenholmDX | Not natively | 17:43 |
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| Yaniel | not even over mtp? | 17:44 |
| RavenholmDX | Does Jolla support MTP? | 17:44 |
| Yaniel | yes | 17:44 |
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| mcuros_ | then ssh is your only friend ? | 17:44 |
| Yaniel | that's AFAIK what it does when you select pc connection | 17:44 |
| Yaniel | sshfs is awesome anyway | 17:44 |
| RavenholmDX | Yaniel: you're right | 17:45 |
| RavenholmDX | just tried it there | 17:45 |
| RavenholmDX | uses libmtp to create an MTP connection | 17:45 |
| RavenholmDX | (that's on Linux though) | 17:45 |
| RavenholmDX | I presume it might work on Windows | 17:45 |
| RavenholmDX | but it may need a specific driver | 17:46 |
| Yaniel | it should work the same way everywhere | 17:46 |
| RavenholmDX | I had it connected to my work PC (Windows) earlier | 17:46 |
| RavenholmDX | and it didn't work | 17:46 |
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| Yaniel | the whole point of mtp is to have it automagically work on windows if I understood correctly | 17:46 |
| mcuros_ | is there a reason not to use ext3? | 17:46 |
| Yaniel | do you have a reason to use it? | 17:46 |
| RavenholmDX | I'd pick Ext4 over it, just because, newer | 17:46 |
| RavenholmDX | I really don't like the way the Jolla charger is on the top | 17:47 |
| RavenholmDX | charging port* | 17:47 |
| mcuros_ | i read that works on windows | 17:47 |
| RavenholmDX | Ext3 doesn't work in Windows | 17:47 |
| RavenholmDX | unless you use a kernel mode driver | 17:47 |
| mcuros_ | ok, then i misunderstood | 17:47 |
| RavenholmDX | like Ext2Fsd | 17:47 |
| Yaniel | but doesn't mtp abstract the fs type away? | 17:48 |
| RavenholmDX | yeah | 17:48 |
| Yaniel | so it doesn't really matter | 17:48 |
| RavenholmDX | mcuros_: it uses MTP, so it should work in Windows | 17:48 |
| RavenholmDX | I don't like MTP though | 17:48 |
| RavenholmDX | I've always had access issues using it | 17:48 |
| RavenholmDX | like trying to delete certain files | 17:48 |
| mcuros_ | thx for the info | 17:49 |
| mcuros_ | ext4 it is then | 17:49 |
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| mcuros_ | anyone tried to use jolla as a dlna server ? | 17:53 |
| mcuros_ | i | 17:53 |
| mcuros_ | i tried few android apps but i dont see downloaded movies | 17:54 |
| mcuros_ | only one recordedby camera | 17:54 |
| Yaniel | it is a commonly requested feature | 17:54 |
| r0kk3rz | MTP was a necessary evil though | 17:55 |
| r0kk3rz | because btrfs isnt going to work on windows | 17:55 |
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| kimju | also with mtp you can have the fs mounted and usable on the phone too while it is accessed via usb. | 18:02 |
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| RavenholmDX | MTP is basically samba over USB right? | 18:43 |
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| fennekki | uh | 18:43 |
| coderus | i have some vcf files and i can't import it | 18:43 |
| fennekki | samba is just an SMB implementation though | 18:43 |
| RavenholmDX | coderus: badly formatted? | 18:44 |
| RavenholmDX | I literally just imported one | 18:44 |
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| RavenholmDX | fennekki: I mean in concept, not implementation | 18:46 |
| RavenholmDX | a file share over USB | 18:46 |
| RavenholmDX | you're seeing a representation of the file system, not the actual filesystem | 18:46 |
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| fennekki | well, yeah | 18:49 |
| fennekki | MTP actually... handles files in a really strange way | 18:49 |
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| fennekki | I ran into this when trying to move files back and forth one time but I can't remember the exact thing | 18:50 |
| fennekki | for one, file transfers might go into the wrong directory | 18:51 |
| fennekki | also, I think MTP allows several files with the same name in the same directory. it's just overall weird and not a filesystem at all | 18:51 |
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| coderus | RavenholmDX: all fine with vcf | 18:52 |
| coderus | i can only killall contactsd and import next file again... | 18:53 |
| coderus | by some reason contactsd freezing after importing | 18:53 |
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| coderus | is there any cli way to inport contact, not xdg-open? | 18:55 |
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| RavenholmDX | coderus there is | 19:15 |
| pdanek | Hi again, | 19:15 |
| pdanek | I had to leave before when asking the same question. | 19:15 |
| pdanek | Any way to disable internet connection pop-ups when using Here Maps? (already in offline mode) | 19:15 |
| stephg | if you're in filght mode it'll still prompt for wlan | 19:16 |
| stephg | so pdanek not that I know of | 19:16 |
| pdanek | ah | 19:16 |
| pdanek | So how can you guys use it? It's unusable without internet then? | 19:16 |
| RavenholmDX | coderus: 'vcardconverter contacts.vcf' | 19:17 |
| stephg | here maps, pretty much yeah | 19:17 |
| stephg | (the native one anyway, dunno about the android one) | 19:17 |
| RavenholmDX | is this the Sailfish Here Maps or Android Here Maps? | 19:17 |
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| stephg | none of the F/OSS maps are allowed to download tiles for offline, so if you want that GMaps might be your best bet | 19:18 |
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| RavenholmDX | stephg: I've been looking into that issue | 19:19 |
| RavenholmDX | only option really is to download the vector map data and render the tiles locally | 19:19 |
| RavenholmDX | I really want a native offline maps app | 19:19 |
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| stephg | won't help with offline, but poor maps in openrepos is quite good | 19:19 |
| stephg | anyway bbl! | 19:19 |
| mornfall | RavenholmDX: 872 others want this too https://together.jolla.com/question/339/downloadable-map-data-and-offline-turn-by-turn-navigation-in-maps/ :-) | 19:21 |
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| mornfall | ohmygod | 19:25 |
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| M4rtinK | I really need to move forward with vector map rednering in modRana :) | 19:27 |
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| pdanek | stephg: I meant Android Here Maps, Sailfish constantly prompts for internet connection. | 19:35 |
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| guestwho | hey all | 19:57 |
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| Stskeeps | hello hello | 19:57 |
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| guestwho | see it? https://thepiratebay.se/torrent/11635275 | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | well that's interesting | 19:59 |
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| guestwho | why dont we seed? | 20:00 |
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| Acce | what is it | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | just yet another mmc dump of somebody's device, boring | 20:09 |
| guestwho | its only available dump on the web | 20:10 |
| guestwho | keep at least somebodies dump available | 20:10 |
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| Morpog_PC | well, then you shouldn't tell it Jolla employes :D | 20:14 |
| guestwho | and qualcomm yes :D | 20:15 |
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| japa-fi | How can I get Sonos controller (android) software installed. It's either amazon store or google store, neither of which are available to Jolla if i'm not mistaken | 20:20 |
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| Yaniel | both have been reported to work iirc | 20:23 |
| Yaniel | google store is more difficult since it requies you to set up google play services | 20:23 |
| TemeV | shouldn't amazon work just by installing the .apk? | 20:23 |
| joonahoi | yeah, you can download it from http://www.amazon.com/gp/mas/get/android?tag=androidcentralb-20&m1k=d_ac | 20:23 |
| guestwho | try http://apps.evozi.com/ | 20:25 |
| anYc | i also installed the amazon store from the website. works so far | 20:26 |
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| gogeta | guys good evening | 20:30 |
| alterego | Good evening | 20:34 |
| gogeta | hi alterego | 20:35 |
| gogeta | i wanna a vpn guy | 20:35 |
| gogeta | i wanna a vpn gui* | 20:35 |
| giucam | a small typo but a very different meaning :P | 20:40 |
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| gogeta | giucam, also you | 20:51 |
| gogeta | giucam, jolla charge you for using email on the go ? | 20:52 |
| Yaniel | ? | 20:52 |
| giucam | gogeta: on the go? | 20:52 |
| gogeta | outside your company network | 20:53 |
| giucam | i don't follow you | 20:53 |
| gogeta | for 3 days of exchange protocol support outside company network i need to pay 8,61 euro | 20:55 |
| gogeta | i've installed vpnc | 20:55 |
| Obi-Lan | to who | 20:55 |
| gogeta | but i'm scared about battery | 20:56 |
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| Obi-Lan | has anyone slipped out how much should jolla pay per tablet for office sdxc stamp | 21:13 |
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| mornfall | $10k until exfat /o\ | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | is that a headdesk? | 21:19 |
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| tbr | to everyone who is going all #whatevergate about the exfat thing: start researching the ingredients of the food you eat. Start with sausages if you _ever_ touched one. Or chicken bits if you ever had that. | 21:22 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: not really, just hands on head :-) | 21:22 |
| mornfall | tbr: yuck... I'm vegan :P | 21:22 |
| tbr | mornfall: vegan vegetable patties | 21:22 |
| tbr | monosodium glutamate | 21:23 |
| tbr | whatever | 21:23 |
| mornfall | sodium glutamate is a conspiracy theory | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | i do intend one day to find out how soy is made.. | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | or tofu.. | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:23 |
| mornfall | soy is... farmed :) | 21:23 |
| tbr | once you know how (even healthy) food is produced, you won't see it the same way you did | 21:23 |
| tbr | ever | 21:23 |
| tbr | exactly same applies to making a tablet sausage | 21:24 |
| mornfall | tbr: I have a fairly good picture... (about software too) | 21:24 |
| tbr | there are the ugly bits | 21:24 |
| tbr | there are the beautiful bits | 21:24 |
| mornfall | I have enough ugly bits in the phone :P | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2180351/?ref_=nm_flmg_wr_1 should be an interesting documentary in the future.. | 21:24 |
| mornfall | there'll be more ugly bits because powervr | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | the book certainly was interesting | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | wat, no powervr | 21:24 |
| tbr | f*ck powervr, intel hd | 21:25 |
| mornfall | oh? | 21:25 |
| mornfall | seriously? :) | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | seriously. | 21:25 |
| tbr | if it won't ship with mesa, then I will fucking compile it myself | 21:25 |
| mornfall | that's relief | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: i'm hoping people do it before so we can QA that a bit.. | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:25 |
| mornfall | all I have heard was that you are shipping a powervr soc (to be honest, I *was* a bit wtf about that) | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | no, me and powervr have a restraining order relationship | 21:26 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: if you manage to motivate me, I'll try things on my minnowmax | 21:26 |
| gogeta | VDVsx, i've found a bug | 21:26 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: currently I'm rather desillusioned and frustrated with live the universe and everything though | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: should be a matter of taking plfiorini's packaging and build it for sailfish target | 21:26 |
| gogeta | if stmp config doesn't pass validation | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: ah, yeah, that's how i ended up having a beer tonight | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | hell of a week | 21:26 |
| gogeta | you can't add smtp later | 21:27 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: I can even forgive you about exfat if the GPU is Intel :P (okey, Intel is of course evil and all, but anyway) | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | mornfall: it's a hd graphics. yes, it'll use libhybris. yes, i hope we can get mesa going alongside for those who want that and will gladly help test that it actually works, too.. | 21:27 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: that's how I ended up at the technical university sauna party, behind the bar, with easy access to moar beeeer | 21:27 |
| VDVsx | gogeta, it's designed like that for now, if you read the error it says that | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | i'll have a blog post at some point when we do have a blog, about how this all fits together | 21:28 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: will that eventually apply to the phone as well? or are we stuck with linux 3.4 forever? | 21:28 |
| gogeta | but why you can't smtp later | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | mornfall: mesa wouldn't ever work on a qualcomm; and you're lucky you can upgrade kernel typically.. | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | i'm lying | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | well | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | i got mesa llvmpipe going | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | but that's not a happy panda experience | 21:29 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: mesa freedreno is supposed to work these days | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 21:29 |
| VDVsx | gogeta, because it would need more validation flow, possible more strings, just work and there's more crucial things to add at this point | 21:29 |
| mornfall | (but not on linux 3.4) | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that's interesting | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | why not? it's the most pervasive qcom kernel out there | 21:30 |
| gogeta | VDVsx, any way to add manually | 21:30 |
| gogeta | ? | 21:30 |
| RavenholmDX | submitted my first app to Harbour | 21:30 |
| * RavenholmDX crosses fingers | 21:30 | |
| mornfall | because it's too ancient, sadly | 21:30 |
| mornfall | (the DRI and maybe KMS stack in it, anyway) | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 21:30 |
| mornfall | modern mesa won't run on that, and freedreno won't work with old mesa | 21:31 |
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| VDVsx | gogeta, nop, what about create the acct properly ? :D | 21:31 |
| mornfall | I didn't feel like trying to boot a custom kernel on the phone yet :P | 21:32 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: I guess it can't boot off a microSD card, can it? (that'd be a great way to experiment, although I suspect that without a serial console it's not going to be much fun) | 21:33 |
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| gogeta | VDVsx, may i send you something in private | 21:34 |
| gogeta | ? | 21:34 |
| VDVsx | gogeta, sure | 21:34 |
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| gogeta | VDVsx, fixed | 21:37 |
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| VDVsx | gogeta, you created the acct again ? | 21:37 |
| mornfall | too bad linux can't put a console on I2C | 21:39 |
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| dunp | http://www.wiki.xilinx.com/Linux+I2C+Driver | 21:41 |
| mornfall | dunp: what about it? | 21:42 |
| mornfall | that's just about talking to an EEPROM chip attached to i2c | 21:42 |
| dunp | ups | 21:42 |
| dunp | i2c to serial? | 21:44 |
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| mornfall | most likely possible, but lots of programming | 21:44 |
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| mornfall | I don't have that much time on my hands (although it'd be fun project and raspberry would be a good board for working on it) | 21:45 |
| dunp | rasperry have serial port | 21:46 |
| mornfall | yes, which is a good thing to have when you are screwing around with the kernel :-) | 21:46 |
| mornfall | it also has exposed I2C | 21:47 |
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| mornfall | (with drivers) | 21:47 |
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| dunp | i need to disable console from archlinux to use minicom to flash my adsm modem | 21:47 |
| dunp | *adsl | 21:48 |
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| mornfall | well | 21:49 |
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| mornfall | it'd be less work to disassemble the jolla to get at the serial interface (it's hopefully something that can be connected to an ft232rl) | 21:50 |
| mornfall | not a good idea with a device you want to continue to use though | 21:51 |
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| mornfall | jolla should start selling tinkerer kits :P | 21:52 |
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| mornfall | (or at least sell half-junked devices at a discount... cracked displays, broken cameras, stuff like that :-) | 21:56 |
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| RavenholmDX | can't copy files to my SD card from linux or Windows | 22:37 |
| RavenholmDX | libmtp failure | 22:37 |
| coderus | sshfs/sftp? :) | 22:40 |
| stephg | rsync! | 22:42 |
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| RavenholmDX | coderus: I'd rather not have to turn on Dev Mode every time I want to copy to the phone :P | 22:44 |
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| swift1102 | lol | 22:46 |
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| mornfall | RavenholmDX: libmpt is a failure, yes | 22:47 |
| mornfall | mtp, even | 22:47 |
| mornfall | (ssh is convenient, but only when you sit at home) | 22:48 |
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| mornfall | well, you can abuse internet sharing on jolla to connect to it using wifi | 22:50 |
| mornfall | even when there's no AP nearby | 22:51 |
| mornfall | (actually, an additional toggle that'd enable hostap and a file server along with some zeroconf magic would be neat) | 22:52 |
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| RavenholmDX | Okay, so I can access internal memory over MTP | 23:30 |
| RavenholmDX | just not the SD card | 23:30 |
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