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| DocScrutinizer05 | for spare batt start here: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20141202_006.jpg http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20141202_003.jpg http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20141202_004.jpg http://youtu.be/Tu-tLDRhaaI http://wstaw.org/m/2014/12/02/plasma-desktopid1987.png http://www.samsungsdi.com/lithium-ion-battery/mobile-phone | 02:06 |
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| iekku | japa-fi, there's huge amount of jollas getting new home -> delays in our sending | 05:30 |
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| japa-fi | iekku, thanks for the update | 06:00 |
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| Morpog_Jolla_ | Anyone else got #mitakuuluu in a reconnect loops lately? | 06:06 |
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| meklu | Morpog_Jolla_: mine did that this morning | 07:22 |
| meklu | closed it, haven't looked at it since | 07:23 |
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| Morpog_Jolla_ | so it seems the fun is over meklu | 07:29 |
| meklu | *shrug* | 07:30 |
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| lainwir3d | hi o/ | 08:39 |
| Nicd- | yeah, seems this is the final nail in the coffin for mitäkuuluu | 08:39 |
| Nicd- | it was fun while it lasted | 08:39 |
| lainwir3d | What happened ? | 08:39 |
| Nicd- | reconnection loops | 08:39 |
| lainwir3d | oh | 08:40 |
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| lainwir3d | happens to me since 1month at least | 08:40 |
| Nicd- | yep, still happening for me | 08:40 |
| SK_work | maybe ban ? | 08:40 |
| lainwir3d | but after a time it connects ok | 08:40 |
| lainwir3d | but i'm probably not up to date though | 08:40 |
| Nicd- | SK_work: ban should be shown as a ban I think | 08:40 |
| Nicd- | this is different | 08:40 |
| SK_work | not totally sure | 08:41 |
| lainwir3d | well it connects after a while for me | 08:43 |
| lainwir3d | so I guess it's not a ban | 08:43 |
| lainwir3d | or I won't be able to connect at all | 08:43 |
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| _inte_ | hello | 08:51 |
| _inte_ | Mitakuuluu seems to be gone for good now, right? | 08:52 |
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| _inte_ | I get a login-loop | 08:52 |
| _inte_ | genuine whatsapp works fine for me so i guess they maybe changed sth. with the login process again? | 08:52 |
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| Nightmare__ | i'm using the last version and it's working | 08:57 |
| _inte_ | mh thanks | 08:57 |
| _inte_ | I will keep trying | 08:57 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: good summaries, it was really hard to read indeed | 09:11 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: I hope that we'll avoid some of the dead silence from last time | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. looks like decent debate topics | 09:13 |
| _inte_ | oh | 09:14 |
| _inte_ | just looked in my backlog | 09:14 |
| _inte_ | Nicd-: reconnection loops as well? | 09:15 |
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| _inte_ | I switched to genuine android-wa in the meantime | 09:15 |
| _inte_ | to make sure not to be banned | 09:15 |
| Nightmare__ | _inte_: now it's looping too | 09:15 |
| _inte_ | what? the android app is looping? | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: think i'll have to take a nap before the meeting though, finally back on proper antihistamines and i'm a bit drugged | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:16 |
| tbr | ;) | 09:16 |
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| Nightmare__ | nope mitä | 09:16 |
| Nightmare__ | mine worked half an hour ago | 09:16 |
| daitheflu | Stskeeps: replace with caffeine ;) | 09:17 |
| Nightmare__ | at leat WA offers an apk on their website | 09:17 |
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| SKyd3R | hello | 09:18 |
| _inte_ | Im not sure, maybe wa does some kind of penetration testing to identify fake wa-clients | 09:18 |
| _inte_ | mayber they'll switch off the test in a couple of days | 09:19 |
| _inte_ | until then i rather stay with the android app | 09:19 |
| SKyd3R | my Jolla turned off as a lack of battery, I connected it via USB to my PC at work but it seems I can't turn my Jolla on | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | give it time, or use a charger | 09:20 |
| SKyd3R | I don't have any charger at work so time will be given | 09:21 |
| SKyd3R | it's weird because I got a flash icon with a micro usb cable on the screen every attemp I do | 09:21 |
| SKyd3R | thanks Stskeeps :) | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps bad cable? | 09:22 |
| SKyd3R | (instead of a percentage) | 09:22 |
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| _inte_ | i found a new app in openrepos | 09:23 |
| _inte_ | something like iso-mounter | 09:23 |
| _inte_ | or iso boot sth. | 09:23 |
| _inte_ | what is it good for? | 09:23 |
| _inte_ | to make the phone a bootable usb-stick? | 09:23 |
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| Stskeeps | why not | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:24 |
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| _inte_ | "ISODrive" | 09:25 |
| _inte_ | i mean, it would be pretty cool | 09:25 |
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| _inte_ | i never have a usb-stick ready when i need one for booting | 09:26 |
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| _inte_ | since my usb-sticks always carry some stuff that i dont want to delete | 09:26 |
| TemeV | _inte_: sound cool. It would kind of implement the idea of ubuntu. You can use your phone on desktop :) | 09:27 |
| _inte_ | TemeV: that will hopefully work with the tablet | 09:27 |
| _inte_ | I guess I will check out a usb-graphics adaptor since the tablets features usb-otg | 09:28 |
| _inte_ | could be pretty much fun | 09:28 |
| TemeV | would be cool, I don't see the use case though | 09:28 |
| _inte_ | TemeV: but beeing able to use the phone as a usb-bootable stick would also be great | 09:28 |
| TemeV | especially if you can also access the data in the phone | 09:29 |
| _inte_ | yeah | 09:29 |
| _inte_ | why not | 09:29 |
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| anYc | hm, is care@ a little bit busy these days? my jolla returned 2 work days ago for repair and I didn't get an update yet. Or am I too impatient? :) | 09:40 |
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| pp_ | that's optimaservice not care@ | 09:45 |
| pp_ | you can get status with the imei from them | 09:46 |
| pp_ | for my repair case care just closed the ticket with "you must have gotten your phone back already", which was the case | 09:47 |
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| anYc | okay, didn't see optimaservice mentioned anywhere. Hopefully I get it back this week. Shipping already takes ~5 days :/ thank you! | 10:00 |
| anYc | uf, looks like only part of their site is on english | 10:01 |
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| anYc | ah, looks like they repaired it this morning. | 10:04 |
| anYc | would be nice if care@jolla would mention this during support | 10:05 |
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| chem|st | as you mention care, did any of you recognize TOH getting loose on the top corners, mine makes a plastic clicking noise every time I grab it on those corners | 10:39 |
| _inte_ | my is still pretty fix | 10:40 |
| _inte_ | im never removing it anyways | 10:41 |
| tadzik | chem|st: mine does that on the bottom in the middle | 10:42 |
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| tadzik | corners are quite okay | 10:42 |
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| chem|st | lmc | 10:45 |
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| chem|st | nope... black toh and the top left corner is the loudest | 10:46 |
| chem|st | lay it flat on a surface and press just next to the face-cam | 10:46 |
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| RavenholmDX | Have they said if they're going with 3D Printing or Injection Molding with the TOHKBD | 10:48 |
| tadzik | now that I tried it that way, the bottom right corner makes sounds, and also moves the entire phone up | 10:48 |
| tadzik | the rest of them provide no sound nor movement | 10:48 |
| Nicd- | RavenholmDX: it's 3D printed | 10:48 |
| Nicd- | the keyboard keypad is injection molded | 10:48 |
| Nicd- | afaik | 10:49 |
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| RavenholmDX | I wonder what the finish quality will be like | 10:49 |
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| RavenholmDX | 3D printing is rarely great | 10:49 |
| chem|st | and now that I look at it closer, the displaz frame is broken | 10:50 |
| chem|st | display | 10:50 |
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| kimmoli | RavenholmDX: atm we'll print at shapeways which polished material is ok, the surface is little rough, but positive point is that isn't so slippery as jollas own otherhalfs | 10:51 |
| kimmoli | RavenholmDX: we are also at #jollatohkbd for more details | 10:51 |
| RavenholmDX | Oh cool | 10:51 |
| RavenholmDX | Thanks | 10:52 |
| RavenholmDX | 49 hours left | 10:53 |
| RavenholmDX | Ah what the hell, I'll just back it :P | 10:54 |
| SKyd3R | sthill can't turn on the phone while I think is charging :( | 10:55 |
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| RavenholmDX | cable working? | 10:58 |
| Tegu | IIRC I can't either, so I guess it's not just the cable | 10:59 |
| RavenholmDX | Oh, so it's actually charging, just can't power it on while it is? | 11:00 |
| _inte_ | wait 2min | 11:00 |
| _inte_ | then you can | 11:00 |
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| SKyd3R | I waited more than 1 hour :s | 11:02 |
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| SKyd3R | tried diferents chargers | 11:02 |
| anYc | Does anyone else get a certificate warning for https://cdn.jolla.com/wp-content/plugins/sitepress-multilingual-cms/res/css/language-selector.css?v=3.1.6 with firefox? | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | Jope: ^ | 11:03 |
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| Tegu | I don't get a warning | 11:03 |
| Nicd- | not getting a cert warning | 11:03 |
| SKyd3R | neither do I | 11:03 |
| Nicd- | using firefox 33 | 11:03 |
| SKyd3R | same | 11:04 |
| Jope | no warning here either | 11:04 |
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| anYc | okay thanks, maybe it's something wrong here with ff 31.2 (ESR). it looks like it doesn't it accept here because it's only seeing the intermediate cert | 11:04 |
| Jope | curious. | 11:04 |
| tadzik | no warning on opera | 11:04 |
| anYc | the jolla site doesn't render properly here because the css doesn't load. thank you all! | 11:05 |
| anYc | I'll try other browsers | 11:05 |
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| Jope | yeh, it's mixed content unforch | 11:05 |
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| stephg | tbr good email | 11:17 |
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| tbr | stephg: thanks | 11:17 |
| tbr | stephg: I'm hoping for a good turn out on both sides, there is much talk and "feelings", but not much "JFDI" and transparency | 11:18 |
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| _inte_ | anYc: no certificate warning for me | 11:26 |
| _inte_ | SKyd3R: you should use the genuine charge ONLY | 11:27 |
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| _inte_ | other chargers may cause reboot cycles or startup failures since they may confuse the logic | 11:27 |
| Shihua_ | ... | 11:29 |
| Shihua_ | what time will jolla update? | 11:29 |
| tadzik | one day later than it was supposed to before you asked :P | 11:29 |
| Tegu | shh, were not supposed to talk about it! now it's delayed again :( | 11:30 |
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| SK_work | :D | 11:30 |
| tbr | and for good measure every time also god kills an adorabz kitteh | 11:30 |
| Acce | sometimes I wonder if these update delay jokes are received as humorously as they're intented | 11:31 |
| Nicd- | _inte_: err, why would they do that? | 11:32 |
| tadzik | they do their job in both cases, don't they? :P | 11:32 |
| Nicd- | _inte_: USB chargers follow standards, don't they? | 11:32 |
| Nicd- | the whole point of MicroUSB is that I can use any MicroUSB certified charger | 11:33 |
| Acce | maybe there should be a bot that gives an automatic response to these, like, "The updates are driven by completeness, not exact deadlines" | 11:33 |
| mornfall | Acce: oh, there will be another update? I thought updating has been cancelled in favour of new gadgets :P | 11:33 |
| Tegu | :D | 11:34 |
| Acce | mornfall: well, I'm just a guy in the IRC, you can't trust anything I say :) | 11:35 |
| mornfall | anyone know how to add an xmpp account? I added one but it doesn't show up in presnce control at all | 11:35 |
| Shihua_ | if jolla have a secretary how to wake it up? | 11:35 |
| chem|st | Nicd-: that agreement has run out and was and probably will not be renewed | 11:36 |
| Nicd- | chem|st: the EU one? | 11:36 |
| mornfall | what agreement? | 11:37 |
| Acce | mornfall: I managed to have one earlier | 11:37 |
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| chem|st | to use microUSB | 11:37 |
| Acce | there was some quirk at that time | 11:37 |
| Acce | but since my friends refused to use xmpp I also stopped using it :( | 11:38 |
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| gogeta | SK_work, any way to put last mail on lockscreen | 11:38 |
| gogeta | my boss hitme | 11:38 |
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| Nicd- | chem|st: yeah but still any MicroUSB certified chargers should work | 11:38 |
| Nicd- | as long as they put out enough mA | 11:38 |
| chem|st | Nicd-: is there such thing as uUSB cert. chargers... I doubt it... | 11:39 |
| chem|st | I have genuine nokia chargers that make N9 and Jolla flicker (touchscreen goes hiwire) | 11:39 |
| mornfall | charger is just a 5V DC source... and the charging circuit already has to deal with PC power which is much lower than any USB charger will be able to give out | 11:40 |
| chem|st | mornfall: my PC supplies 2A... | 11:40 |
| mornfall | chem|st: sure, but mine doesn't, and many other don't | 11:40 |
| mornfall | the spec requires much less | 11:41 |
| chem|st | so can we put those misconceptions aside now? | 11:41 |
| mornfall | chem|st: what misconceptions? | 11:41 |
| mornfall | of course if your charger gives out garbage instead of 5V DC, it'll probably break something | 11:42 |
| chem|st | samsung genuine carcharger triggers response on dataline | 11:43 |
| chem|st | all devices but the tablet it was built for ask what to connect to... | 11:43 |
| mornfall | yeah, there will always be a charger here and there that hooks up data for “extra smarts” | 11:44 |
| mornfall | especially easy to spot with my aging sony e-reader | 11:44 |
| chem|st | mornfall: that is forbidden by the USB standard for charging devices | 11:44 |
| mornfall | (which locks the screen if hooked up to anything with data connection) | 11:45 |
| chem|st | d+- must be closed | 11:45 |
| mornfall | chem|st: right | 11:45 |
| _inte_ | Nicd-: i guess the jolla charger is 1.1A | 11:45 |
| _inte_ | or sth | 11:45 |
| mornfall | nevertheless... :) people do stupid things | 11:45 |
| _inte_ | i have a usb powerpack which could supply up to 3a | 11:45 |
| _inte_ | i guess | 11:45 |
| Jope | I can say for a fact that the euro charger that ships with the device is rated for 1.0A 5VDC | 11:45 |
| chem|st | _inte_: if the phones readin itself is correct it is just about 1A | 11:45 |
| mornfall | I find that some chargers apparently put out garbage on the 5V line more disturbing though | 11:45 |
| _inte_ | if i switch to 3A (powerpack) the phone charges quickly | 11:46 |
| _inte_ | i often get reboot cycles or unexpected switchoffs later | 11:46 |
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| _inte_ | this behavior disappears when I revert to the genuine charger | 11:46 |
| _inte_ | its reproduceable | 11:46 |
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| _inte_ | therefore: if you experience such issues, try the genuine charger FIRST | 11:47 |
| _inte_ | :) | 11:47 |
| chem|st | either the battery or the phone are aweful in battery management, readings are wrong | 11:47 |
| _inte_ | whatever | 11:47 |
| _inte_ | it works fine with the genuine charger therefore i dont mind | 11:47 |
| _inte_ | my powerpack can also supply 0,5A i guess | 11:48 |
| _inte_ | if i use this low-power output, the phone charges slowly but I never have any issues | 11:48 |
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| RavenholmDX | Jolla still haven't shipped my phone | 11:48 |
| RavenholmDX | :( | 11:48 |
| RavenholmDX | been a week today | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | probably a large amount to be shipped | 11:49 |
| _inte_ | maybe they are busy with tablets | 11:49 |
| RavenholmDX | still pretty crazy | 11:49 |
| RavenholmDX | currently says on their site that they ship within 3 working days | 11:49 |
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| chem|st | _inte_: lol... | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | _inte_: nah, not logistics. | 11:49 |
| _inte_ | :) just kidding :) | 11:50 |
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| SKyd3R | RavenholmDX: I ordered mine on Saturday and the next Thursday it was devlivered | 11:55 |
| RavenholmDX | Saturday, when? | 11:56 |
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| SKyd3R | 18h | 11:57 |
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| _inte_ | 18h?? There i no one working at 18h any more | 12:02 |
| _inte_ | at least for parcel services | 12:03 |
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| SKyd3R | the website still works | 12:04 |
| SKyd3R | I know it wasn't processed on the Saturday | 12:04 |
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| Yaniel | tablet question | 12:08 |
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| Yaniel | does it support GLES 3? | 12:09 |
| sharpneli | Yes. | 12:10 |
| sharpneli | It also theoretically supports ES3.1. But if we get the drivers for that it remains to be seen | 12:10 |
| sharpneli | And also it remains to be seen if Jolla accepts ES3 programs to the shop | 12:10 |
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| Yaniel | more like when | 12:17 |
| Yaniel | any idea what featurelevel drivers are certain? | 12:18 |
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| meklu | probably whatever mesa has right now | 12:23 |
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| meklu | or if people go crazy, the android driver via hybris :P | 12:23 |
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| Yaniel | no idea what mesa has on the ES side | 12:35 |
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| meklu | up to gles2 it looks like | 12:59 |
| meklu | although for some reason I've got an empty /usr/include/GLES3/ as well | 13:00 |
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| mornfall | Acce: it doesn't like self-signed certs, it turns out | 13:08 |
| mornfall | Acce: but the only way to find that out is journalctl and decrypting obfuscated error messages | 13:08 |
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| Acce | mornfall: oh yeah, I thought you had already tackled that one | 13:27 |
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| Acce | the resolution was changing some account settings from the command line.. | 13:27 |
| suosaaski | Lastucase designed for Jolla tablet, it seems. | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | suosaaski: hrm? | 13:29 |
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| suosaaski | Hmph... it was just on my facebook and now it's gone :) | 13:30 |
| suosaaski | and had a link to igg and a contribution price of 49$ would get a lastucase designed for jolla tablet | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | intruiging | 13:32 |
| suosaaski | maybe they posted it too early and removed it? | 13:32 |
| suosaaski | there was a pic, too. | 13:32 |
| suosaaski | shouldn't have closed the tab :) | 13:32 |
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| ln- | did this happen while you were asleep or not? | 13:32 |
| suosaaski | no, a couple of minutes ago. | 13:33 |
| pp_ | suosaaski: lastu responds "Maybe ;)" to "Are cases for Jolla Tablet already designed?" on stalkbook | 13:33 |
| suosaaski | :) | 13:33 |
| pp_ | wouldn't be the biggest surprise | 13:33 |
| suosaaski | No, it wouldn't... but they should put it back online :) | 13:33 |
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| suosaaski | lol, browsed back with previous page, it flashed the pic and now it shows that the page is not available :) | 13:36 |
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| Tegu | suosaaski: about:cache? or similar | 13:39 |
| Tegu | if you haven't closed the browser yet | 13:40 |
| suosaaski | I haven't | 13:40 |
| Tegu | or I dunno when the cached stuff is removed.. | 13:40 |
| suosaaski | about:cache has a ton of links... | 13:41 |
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| Tegu | yea it does, that's a problem. and the picture you're looking for might have some completely misleading url :/ | 13:41 |
| suosaaski | I would imagine it is a https://fbcdn... | 13:42 |
| suosaaski | but also a problem... when I open the links, they are just plain text? | 13:42 |
| Tegu | also, firefox at least seems to just give you a hexdump of the file.. why doesn't it give the file itself :( | 13:43 |
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| Tegu | also it might be in either memory or disk, I guess. I've never actually retrieved anything from about:cache | 13:45 |
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| tbr | PSA: open source & jolla - meeting on #mer-meeting in 1h 10min | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | i should get something to warm my hands, freezing cold here in warsaw today | 13:46 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: light an oil drum on fire. don't forget asbestos underwear for later | 13:47 |
| tadzik | heh, yeah | 13:47 |
| Tegu | it looks like there are some cacheviewer addons, but I fear they require a restart => useless in this situation | 13:47 |
| tadzik | Stskeeps: watch out for polar bears too, you know how warsaw is | 13:48 |
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| XenoPL | Is it that bad up there ~140 km west (Lodz) it's steady -4 C degrees and nice sunny weather | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | in my office it's pretty bad.. | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:54 |
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| suosaaski | Speaking of weather... damn it's dark out there and it only 15:55 :| | 13:55 |
| suosaaski | no snow = no light at this time a year... | 13:55 |
| Yaniel | yep | 13:55 |
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| RavenholmDX | Woohoo, Jolla shipped | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | woop | 13:57 |
| Yaniel | hmm now that I think of it, I will actually have time to play with it by the time it is shipped..... | 13:57 |
| Yaniel | it = the tablet | 13:57 |
| RavenholmDX | Do you think the tablet will be out in May? | 13:58 |
| tadzik | RavenholmDX: how's the app going? | 13:58 |
| Nicd- | RavenholmDX: that's what they estimated | 13:58 |
| RavenholmDX | Fine, pretty much finished tadzik | 13:59 |
| Yaniel | considering they seem to have the hw ready, why not | 13:59 |
| RavenholmDX | waiting on the hardware so I can test it | 13:59 |
| tadzik | cool | 13:59 |
| RavenholmDX | then will open source it | 13:59 |
| RavenholmDX | and put it up on the app store | 13:59 |
| Yaniel | what app? | 13:59 |
| RavenholmDX | I've written an app, keeping it under wraps for now :P | 13:59 |
| tadzik | it's a sekkrit surprise | 14:00 |
| RavenholmDX | but it's probably something that most people here wouldn't be too interested in | 14:00 |
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| RavenholmDX | it was basically something I use alot on Android | 14:00 |
| RavenholmDX | and there was no Sailfish equivelant to my knowledge, so decided to make it myself | 14:00 |
| XenoPL | speaking of apps I wish Jolla had decent Tox client. I'm quite impressed woth fast pace of their development. Half a year ago it was barey sending text messages, now it's capable of audio/video connection and even group audio. | 14:01 |
| Yaniel | XenoPL: I started poking at that last weekend | 14:01 |
| Yaniel | are you a dev? | 14:01 |
| XenoPL | unfortunatelly nod, sys/app admin is my main IT field | 14:02 |
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| XenoPL | too bad not much time left to get into programming, I know basics, but not enough to do serious development | 14:03 |
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| XenoPL | maybe some junior tasks @KDE could get me in the loop. | 14:07 |
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| silver_hook | Em, I just got a mail that my Jolla got shipped and suddenly the FedEx page says „cancelled by sender“ | 14:13 |
| chem|st | $49 for a LastuCase for the Tablet? | 14:13 |
| Nicd- | silver_hook: better talk to care@jolla.com | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | silver_hook: that happens sometime.. not always true though, just send a mail to care | 14:15 |
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| Stskeeps | to check up on it | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | our care is ~10 steps from our webshop people who are ~2 steps from logistics | 14:16 |
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| silver_hook | Nicd-, Stskeeps: Thanks. | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | but don't expect a reply until tomorrow, it's getting rather late | 14:19 |
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| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/68125/official-announcement-current-status-of-update10/ | 14:21 |
| silver_hook | Stskeeps: Makes sense. | 14:21 |
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| chem|st | so... after lastucase perk was at 1 for a while now I thought I might make people aware of the new perk in tjc and tweet it... lets add fb... | 14:48 |
| tadzik | "We really hope to release before Christmas" | 14:50 |
| tadzik | before christmas, I heard that from Larry Wall too... ;P | 14:50 |
| TMavica | https://together.jolla.com/question/68125/official-announcement-current-status-of-update10/ | 14:50 |
| tadzik | you're late :P | 14:50 |
| tbr | meeting starts soon! | 14:51 |
| chem|st | tbr: ta... | 14:51 |
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| TMavica | next year | 14:52 |
| Nicd- | I kinda miss the excitement of updating the OS :/ | 14:54 |
| Nicd- | hopefully we can feel it again soon | 14:54 |
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| suosaaski | https://www.facebook.com/jollaofficial/photos/a.489914591060089.120975.324048634313353/853272934724251/?type=1 | 14:58 |
| suosaaski | it's back up. But you might have noticed... | 14:58 |
| Nicd- | suosaaski: it's in indiegogo already :) | 14:58 |
| Nicd- | with better pics | 14:58 |
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| suosaaski | I kinda like the lastucase. I had the one for iPad mini and it was nice, although obviously heavier than Apple Smart Cover. | 15:03 |
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| ruskie | ngh... out of money to get it :( | 15:04 |
| suosaaski | I like the way it folds, makes it a lot more stable than for example what the smart cover is | 15:05 |
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| lainwir3d | omggggg latsucase | 15:05 |
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| pp_ | 2000 lastucases and we get exfat! | 15:07 |
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| chem|st | pp_: who needs exfat? | 15:11 |
| suosaaski | So... lastucase only available via indiegogo | 15:11 |
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| chem|st | suosaaski: even more impressive is that they start the referal race... | 15:12 |
| suosaaski | the what? | 15:12 |
| suosaaski | :) | 15:12 |
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| just4info_ | this tablet case looks fancy | 15:14 |
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| mornfall | https://together.jolla.com/question/68125/official-announcement-current-status-of-update10/ so yeah, probably no update 10 this year | 15:16 |
| suosaaski | http://lastucase.com/product/lastu-case-for-ipad-mini-suojakuori-kuori-cover-puinen/ I had that one when I still had my ipad. | 15:17 |
| RavenholmDX | just4info_, I can't tell...does it protect the front and back of the tablet? | 15:17 |
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| lainwir3d | can it be removed and put back easily ? :-/ | 15:18 |
| just4info_ | RavenholmDX, it protects the back, however it's main purpose seems to be allowing the tablet to stand in different angles | 15:18 |
| suosaaski | to me it looks like the first generation lastucase for the ipad mini. Which means it would not be removable (stickered to the back. | 15:19 |
| RavenholmDX | hmm, do not like that | 15:19 |
| just4info_ | no idea, i just had a quick look on it, i didn't order a tablet anyways | 15:20 |
| suosaaski | The second generation was removable. | 15:20 |
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| daitheflu | RavenholmDX: to me it seems it can protect the screen | 15:20 |
| suosaaski | But to me it looks like the leather is "glued" to the back. | 15:20 |
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| suosaaski | Not that I would have looked that closely what the tablet looks like without a case. | 15:21 |
| lainwir3d | hmmm lastsucase is going fast | 15:21 |
| just4info_ | well, i'll start worrying about the case once they allow the use of active digitizers :P | 15:22 |
| daitheflu | I raised those questions on TJC : https://together.jolla.com/question/68132/new-perk-lastucase-joins-the-game/ | 15:22 |
| suosaaski | But they seem not to be able to make a case for LG G3, which is why I don't have a lastu for my current phone. | 15:22 |
| lainwir3d | If it can be removed easily I'm going to order one | 15:22 |
| suosaaski | just4info_: depending on what you use it for, the digitizer is great or useless :) | 15:22 |
| lainwir3d | what is digitizer ? | 15:22 |
| suosaaski | a pen | 15:23 |
| suosaaski | pretty much | 15:23 |
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| just4info_ | suosaaski, for my usage a tablet without an active digitizer support is useless =/ | 15:23 |
| suosaaski | but not like those "touch screen pens" | 15:23 |
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| just4info_ | lainwir3d, a pressure sensitive pen, it allows you to write on the screen like on paper | 15:23 |
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| suosaaski | just4info_: well, you can get an accurate pen for an ipad, too. Maybe someone makes one for the jolla :) | 15:24 |
| lainwir3d | oh ok | 15:24 |
| suosaaski | it uses BT LE or something | 15:24 |
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| lainwir3d | http://www.theverge.com/2012/3/7/2851562/blue-tiger-ten-one-design-pressure-sensitive-bluetooth-4-0-stylus | 15:24 |
| lainwir3d | should work with BLE | 15:25 |
| suosaaski | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et6LET_Eu-U | 15:25 |
| just4info_ | suosaaski, there is a huge difference between a pressure sensitive pen and the "normal" touchscreen pens | 15:25 |
| suosaaski | just4info_: I know there is. | 15:25 |
| suosaaski | Check that video | 15:25 |
| suosaaski | I have a pressure sensitive pen on my other tablet | 15:26 |
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| just4info_ | uhm, doesn't seem too accurate tbh =/ | 15:26 |
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| just4info_ | i'd prefer being able to use a normal wacom pen | 15:27 |
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| just4info_ | plus, since they don't offer the tablet with a pen option i doubt that the system would allow a neat usage of it | 15:29 |
| suosaaski | yes, well, for me that is not a dealbreaker. But lack of multiuser support is. And apps. | 15:31 |
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| just4info_ | well atleast quite a lot of people are asking for multiuser support, when it comes to an active stylus most people are like: what is that? ^^ | 15:34 |
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| suosaaski | and multiuser support is something that can be added afterwards. But it really is a showstopper for me. | 15:38 |
| suosaaski | In addition to lack of google play | 15:39 |
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| alterego | suosaaski: I'm sure you'll still be able to install gapps ala cyanogenmod .. | 15:42 |
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| suosaaski | yes, but that is a hassle I would not like to have. | 15:43 |
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| alterego | suosaaski: what, installing a couple of .apk? | 15:46 |
| suosaaski | well, I would first have to go find those apks and stuff. The point is not that I could not do it, but I would rather have them preinstalled than to download them from some random site. | 15:47 |
| alterego | Unfortunately there is no way Google would allow that. | 15:48 |
| silver_hook | Nicd-, Stskeeps: Seems to be working now …FedEx is odd. | 15:48 |
| alterego | And it's funny, because more people would just prefer android support to not be there at all ;) | 15:48 |
| tadzik | most people? I think it's more like vocal minority :) | 15:49 |
| suosaaski | alterego: I know. But for me tablet is mainly for consuming media and entertainment. And those apps are not there natively on the jolla, at least not yet. | 15:50 |
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| alterego | tadzik: that may be the case yes ;) | 15:51 |
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| alterego | tadzik: I'd like to think most people would prefer native alternatives though. | 15:51 |
| tadzik | oh, by all means | 15:51 |
| tadzik | especially since the experience is hardly problem-free | 15:52 |
| tadzik | I love it when I press backspace and the entry field inputs its contents all over again | 15:52 |
| tadzik | I mean, the entire content for every backspace | 15:52 |
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| tadzik | lbt: re ADT, should we have an IRC channel for that purpose? | 15:57 |
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| lbt | #mer | 15:57 |
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| tadzik | well, the way I understand it it will reach quite outside the scope of mer | 15:58 |
| tadzik | but I'm fine with it if #mer is :) | 15:58 |
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| chem|st | tadzik: read it as "most people would prefer to have native integration instead" | 16:00 |
| chem|st | and people don't care about privacy | 16:01 |
| tadzik | yeah | 16:01 |
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| chem|st | they care about 5Trillion fart-apps | 16:01 |
| chem|st | the problem with android is, you have a hard time to find quality apps as "fart" apps for 99c is what you get offered by stores | 16:02 |
| just4info_ | the problem i see with the current android emulator on sailfish is that you can't be sure what's sandboxed and what isn't | 16:03 |
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| just4info_ | and tbh, i'd like to set for each native app of sailfish individual rights | 16:05 |
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| Yaniel | javispedro: btw noticed that when playing a playlist mediaplayer just shows some random album cover | 16:36 |
| Yaniel | not the one of the currently playing song | 16:36 |
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| javispedro | hm | 16:39 |
| javispedro | never seen that | 16:39 |
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| Yaniel | btw has the issue with it removing the wrong item from the play queue been addressed yet? | 16:41 |
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| Yaniel | (delete an item from queue, delete another, instead of it, the item above it is removed) | 16:47 |
| SK_work | Yaniel: +1 +2 for the two issues | 16:51 |
| SK_work | I have them too, and they are not resolved until now :( | 16:52 |
| SK_work | that's too bad :( | 16:52 |
| Yaniel | the latter only appeared after updating to u9 | 16:52 |
| Yaniel | no idea abotu the former, didn't use playlists until very recently | 16:52 |
| daitheflu | is it on TJC ? | 16:53 |
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| suosaaski | Is there a way to add chromecast support for jolla? | 16:57 |
| Yaniel | something related to covers is there, poorly worded though | 16:58 |
| japa-fi | woppii: got my shipping confirmation today (jolla mobile)! | 17:03 |
| japa-fi | Now, where are the innovative other halfs: Loud speaker, e-Ink display, etc? | 17:03 |
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| suosaaski | tohkbdthingy | 17:04 |
| locusf | https://together.jolla.com/question/68182/whats-open-and-whats-not-in-saillfish-apps-from-a-community-point-of-view/#post-id-68209 <- please help out, see the header for description :) | 17:04 |
| calderon | Is there any "cheap" way to get my usb connector soldered back to the pcb on my N900? :-) i have lost my good soldering iron somewhere when i moved :-/ | 17:05 |
| kimmoli | japa-fi: some of them might be in progress on background... | 17:06 |
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| anYc | japa-fi: check talk.maemo.org | 17:07 |
| tbr | calderon: depends if the pads ripped off | 17:08 |
| Yaniel | https://together.jolla.com/question/68212/bug-mediaplayer-wrong-album-art-in-playlists/ | 17:08 |
| calderon | tbr: luckily not | 17:09 |
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| anYc | japa-fi: especially http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=59 | 17:09 |
| tbr | calderon: then, very carefully and afterwards use hot glue to fix it in place | 17:10 |
| tbr | or scratch the pcb on the sides and solder it in place | 17:11 |
| tbr | oh look squirrel: Jolla+ToHKBD! | 17:11 |
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| Yaniel | https://together.jolla.com/question/68217/bug-mediaplayer-wrong-item-gets-removed-from-play-queue/ | 17:13 |
| Yaniel | there we go | 17:14 |
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| Yaniel | javispedro, SK_work, daitheflu | 17:15 |
| SK_work | Yaniel: thanks | 17:16 |
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| * Tofe is tempted to insert non constructive sarcasm here | 17:18 | |
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| Tofe | but I won't, I'll sleep first :) | 17:18 |
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| daitheflu | Tofe: I'm expecting to read it tomorrow then :P | 17:20 |
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| SK_work | locusf: "libas-common-utils, 0.4.13, Nokia" Nokia, interesting license | 17:23 |
| daitheflu | gotta go, bye ! | 17:23 |
| SK_work | not ok inclusive artwork ? | 17:23 |
| SK_work | :D | 17:23 |
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| japa-fi | Oh, TOH-keyboard! | 17:24 |
| japa-fi | anYc, thanks for the link | 17:24 |
| japa-fi | I'd love to see real keyboard.. | 17:24 |
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| anYc | japa-fi: yeah, I also pledged for one on kickstarter | 17:25 |
| locusf | SK_work: wanna help with the wiki, its a real mess there :D | 17:26 |
| SK_work | locusf: which wiki page ? | 17:26 |
| SK_work | could be nice if sorted | 17:26 |
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| locusf | SK_work: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/SailfishOSS | 17:26 |
| SK_work | perfect thanks | 17:26 |
| SK_work | go edit the post | 17:26 |
| locusf | already did | 17:27 |
| anYc | japa-fi: even has an own channel #jollatohkbd | 17:27 |
| japa-fi | anYc, what's the kickstarter link? I could join too | 17:27 |
| anYc | japa-fi: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2028347278/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla | 17:27 |
| locusf | tbr: a table is even drearier format for the source editing :p | 17:28 |
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| SK_work | locusf: I'm adding some eye candy / organization | 17:29 |
| locusf | SK_work: ok, thanks a ton :) | 17:29 |
| SK_work | and will focus on getting something "tablish" out of your dump | 17:29 |
| locusf | SK_work: I can get some formatting into the query as well | 17:29 |
| SK_work | just editiong the non-OSS atm | 17:29 |
| r0kk3rz | coderus: what's the symptoms of bein banhammered from mitakuuluu? | 17:29 |
| locusf | SK_work: if you need something quick | 17:29 |
| tbr | locusf: we need an overview, implementation up to you, but 10 pages of double spaced printout that is impossible to oversee and comment? | 17:29 |
| SK_work | locusf: the best, send me a CSV | 17:29 |
| locusf | tbr: indeed, you're right | 17:30 |
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| locusf | SK_work: okay | 17:30 |
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| tbr | locusf: sync with tadzik and the others who caught actions | 17:30 |
| SK_work | so that with some python scripting, I can do something nice | 17:30 |
| SK_work | locusf: skip the version, they are likely to change from version to version | 17:31 |
| tbr | we need some sort of overview and status page. "open" "closed" "does ABCD" | 17:31 |
| locusf | SK_work: yes | 17:31 |
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| locusf | SK_work: just name and license as one-row-per-package CSV? | 17:31 |
| tbr | we can then link from there to the autodocs | 17:31 |
| SK_work | locusf: yep | 17:31 |
| SK_work | tbr: I was thinking: name, license, comment, repo | 17:31 |
| SK_work | locusf: hey | 17:31 |
| SK_work | better | 17:31 |
| locusf | tbr: I also started to list the repositories to the openly licensed | 17:31 |
| locusf | SK_work: yes? | 17:32 |
| tbr | locusf: very good! | 17:32 |
| SK_work | locusf: can't you extract the url ? see https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugin-notifications/blob/master/rpm/nemo-qml-plugin-notifications-qt5.spec#L16 | 17:32 |
| SK_work | extract url and summary of package | 17:32 |
| SK_work | so that you already get the repositories :) | 17:32 |
| SK_work | (well sort of) | 17:32 |
| locusf | HAA | 17:33 |
| locusf | its not linking to mer code repositories :p | 17:33 |
| SK_work | issue is that with upstream packages (Qt for example) it will point to mer | 17:33 |
| SK_work | yep | 17:33 |
| SK_work | know what, I will python in my side to filter out packages not on github/nemomobile | 17:33 |
| SK_work | :) | 17:33 |
| SK_work | and I will upload my script to somewhere | 17:34 |
| locusf | SK_work: alright | 17:34 |
| locusf | SK_work: do you still need the source data? | 17:34 |
| SK_work | problem is that I'm at work, if I was at home, the python script would have run on the jolla | 17:34 |
| SK_work | locusf: yep | 17:34 |
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| SK_work | csv with name, summary, license, source | 17:34 |
| locusf | SK_work: ah ok | 17:34 |
| SK_work | eh, url instea of source | 17:35 |
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| locusf | SK_work: http://pastebin.com/PkDTG9P2 | 17:36 |
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| locusf | its a shame that to look at mer sources you need the access code :p | 17:38 |
| locusf | eg. mer account afaik | 17:38 |
| locusf | or can anyone see this: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/libXtst | 17:38 |
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| Yaniel | yes | 17:39 |
| locusf | ok | 17:39 |
| SK_work | locusf: can you have semicolon separated file ? :) | 17:40 |
| locusf | SK_work: sure | 17:40 |
| Yaniel | if not, it is easy to run through sed anyway | 17:40 |
| SK_work | because comma conflicts in summary | 17:40 |
| SK_work | Yaniel: no, it's not, because I want to differenciate the columns and commas inside summaries | 17:40 |
| SK_work | :) | 17:41 |
| locusf | SK_work: http://pastebin.com/J7cBSxb0 | 17:41 |
| SK_work | thanks :) | 17:42 |
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| SK_work | locusf: mind sending me the full list of packages (without grep) | 17:58 |
| SK_work | so that I can filter in my side | 17:58 |
| SK_work | and copy paste the proprietary packages in order not to mess what you started with sources ? :) | 17:58 |
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| locusf | SK_work: http://pastebin.com/Hgv3wmZx | 17:59 |
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| SK_work | locusf: hihihi, I totally messed up the layout :D | 18:00 |
| locusf | SK_work: wooops :D | 18:00 |
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| SK_work | locusf: tbr what about now ? https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/SailfishOSS#Non_OSS_packages | 18:04 |
| SK_work | quick work in progress | 18:04 |
| locusf | SK_work: excellent | 18:05 |
| lainwir3d | wow | 18:05 |
| lainwir3d | I looked at that page like 1min ago and I was like "wtf ?" | 18:05 |
| tbr | SK_work: teh awesomez | 18:05 |
| SK_work | locusf: I might try to ping git.merproject.org to be able to check if the package exists here | 18:05 |
| lainwir3d | makes sense now | 18:05 |
| locusf | SK_work: ok, good idea | 18:06 |
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| SK_work | locusf: I said try, because I have a proxy issue | 18:06 |
| lainwir3d | any info on tablet latsucase attach ? Like can it be removed / replaced easily or not | 18:06 |
| SK_work | locusf: no luck, proxy, so terminal cannot connect to the internet | 18:07 |
| SK_work | so the best I can do | 18:07 |
| SK_work | is to filter nemomobile stuff | 18:07 |
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| japa-fi | anYc, There is only 48 hours left on kickstarter. I haven't even had my hands on _any_ jolla, I wonder if I'm too hasty if I order the keyboard. | 18:08 |
| japa-fi | Though i'm used to have keyboard with my n900 | 18:09 |
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| diegov_ | Has anyone managed to run the latest official whatsapp client on a jolla phone? | 18:17 |
| diegov_ | I'm stuck in the "set your username" screen, it says it can't connect | 18:17 |
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| SK_work | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/SailfishOSS | 18:24 |
| locusf | SK_work: insane work, thanks a ton :) !!! | 18:26 |
| ryukafalz | SK_work: Whoa, dang | 18:28 |
| ryukafalz | did you script that? | 18:28 |
| SK_work | ryukafalz: the python one is at the end | 18:29 |
| SK_work | as I have no github here, no upload yet | 18:29 |
| SK_work | soon :) | 18:29 |
| ryukafalz | aha, nice :) | 18:29 |
| ryukafalz | <3 python | 18:29 |
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| ryukafalz | hah, store-client made it into the OSS list as its license is LICENSE | 18:30 |
| * ryukafalz pokes around for his merwiki creds | 18:30 | |
| Nicd- | also doesn't mediawiki have sortable tables? | 18:31 |
| Nicd- | would be useful | 18:32 |
| ryukafalz | it does - http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages | 18:32 |
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| SK_work | ryukafalz: fixes on the way | 18:36 |
| ryukafalz | SK_work: Haha, went to move a few over and got an edit conflict - I see you're on it :P | 18:37 |
| SK_work | fixed the packages that went to OSS while being proprietary | 18:38 |
| SK_work | note, it is based on locusf's dump so glacier home is in the list :) | 18:38 |
| ryukafalz | SK_work: jolla-keyboard got missed ;) | 18:39 |
| SK_work | missed ? | 18:39 |
| SK_work | it is proprietary and oss | 18:39 |
| SK_work | so hum | 18:39 |
| ryukafalz | yeah, I'm not sure about that one | 18:39 |
| ryukafalz | doesn't belong in the OSS list though IMO | 18:39 |
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| Tegu | has anyone bought jolla from DNA and took it to the warranty repair? should I contact jolla's support site thingy beforehand or can I just walk in to the DNA store? | 18:40 |
| Tegu | (asking stupid questions, yes ;P) | 18:40 |
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| ryukafalz | SK_work: I presume the OSS bit of jolla-keyboard is Maliit? | 18:41 |
| ryukafalz | no, there are other packages for that... | 18:41 |
| * ryukafalz pokes around in the jolla-keyboard files | 18:42 | |
| SK_work | ryukafalz: warning | 18:42 |
| SK_work | I'm gonna fix stuff again ! | 18:42 |
| ryukafalz | go for it :P | 18:42 |
| SK_work | sortable columns | 18:43 |
| SK_work | done ! | 18:43 |
| ryukafalz | \o/ | 18:43 |
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| ryukafalz | it looks much nicer too | 18:43 |
| SK_work | removed some table style fixing | 18:44 |
| SK_work | it looks nice plain | 18:44 |
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| AL13N | that tablet case looks nice | 18:44 |
| AL13N | btw: does anyone here want to buy jolla and use my referral ? :-) | 18:45 |
| ryukafalz | would if I hadn't already :P | 18:45 |
| SK_work | are the package info enough to inform people about what they do ? | 18:46 |
| SK_work | tbr: locusf ^ | 18:46 |
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| SK_work | ryukafalz: ^ | 18:46 |
| Yaniel | the tablet? considering it | 18:46 |
| locusf | SK_work: yes | 18:47 |
| ryukafalz | SK_work: Probably good enough, yeah | 18:47 |
| ryukafalz | for anything more in-depth we really need an overall architecture document | 18:47 |
| SK_work | yeah | 18:48 |
| just4info__ | slightly off topic: is sourceforge.net down/under attack? each link i click there gives me a 404 error | 18:48 |
| SK_work | now, good luck with the url thingie | 18:48 |
| AL13N | btw: the referral link, is that http://igg.me/at/jolla-tablet/x/YYYYYYY link? | 18:48 |
| SK_work | I do wonder if it might be easier to perform a list of what's on gitlab and parse the spec fils | 18:48 |
| AL13N | or is the referral link something else? | 18:48 |
| ryukafalz | I think at some point we should determine whether there's anything more we can add programmatically | 18:49 |
| locusf | SK_work: we need source rpms for that spec file parsing :/ | 18:49 |
| SK_work | locusf: we can use the gitlab | 18:49 |
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| locusf | oh yeah | 18:49 |
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| ryukafalz | some things may need to be filled in manually, don't want to inadvertently overwrite them :) | 18:50 |
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| SK_work | there is also nemomobile-packages | 18:50 |
| SK_work | or OBS ? | 18:50 |
| SK_work | hum | 18:50 |
| ryukafalz | hmm... "rpm -ql jolla-keyboard | grep -i BSD" returns zilch | 18:51 |
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| coderus | let me know please if i can buy lastu case for jolla in finland in some shop? | 18:51 |
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| SK_work | zilch ? | 18:51 |
| ryukafalz | nothing, heh | 18:52 |
| SK_work | ryukafalz: I guess: the QML part is BSD, the C++ part Prop | 18:52 |
| ryukafalz | I think it may be the other way around | 18:52 |
| SK_work | hum ? | 18:52 |
| locusf | ryukafalz: -ql lists files, not their content | 18:52 |
| ryukafalz | locusf: ooops, you're right | 18:53 |
| SK_work | locusf: I think that I will fetch obs for mer:devel | 18:53 |
| ryukafalz | I'm derping right now | 18:53 |
| SK_work | and parse spec / _service file | 18:53 |
| SK_work | to get url of git repositories and packages | 18:53 |
| locusf | SK_work: yes | 18:53 |
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| ryukafalz | got it, InputHandler.qml and PreeditTestHandler.qml are BSD | 18:53 |
| locusf | SK_work: _service is more useful as it points to real source | 18:53 |
| SK_work | yep | 18:54 |
| SK_work | and spec file to rtrieve which packages are built | 18:54 |
| SK_work | (subpackaes included :)) | 18:54 |
| locusf | yeah | 18:54 |
| tbr | SK_work: locusf - looks good, do you want to update that automatically or can users add e.g. comments? | 18:54 |
| SK_work | tbr: let's leave this to users | 18:55 |
| SK_work | I can adapt scripts | 18:55 |
| tbr | *nod* | 18:55 |
| SK_work | comments should go to another column though | 18:55 |
| tbr | yeah | 18:55 |
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| SK_work | anyway | 18:56 |
| SK_work | night | 18:56 |
| ryukafalz | 'night | 18:56 |
| SK_work | see ya | 18:56 |
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| locusf | ok see you SK_work :) | 19:01 |
| coderus | lastucase, anyone? | 19:02 |
| ryukafalz | there are only 3000 :O | 19:02 |
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| ryukafalz | I very much want one, but not sure I have the money to spend heh | 19:03 |
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| coderus | my question was: can i buy lastucase for Jolla in some retail shop in finland? | 19:06 |
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| ryukafalz | the campaign page states that at least this one is exclusive to the campaign, so likely not | 19:07 |
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| coderus | i mean for jolla phone :) | 19:10 |
| coderus | can i buy lastucase for jolla phone in some retail in finland? | 19:10 |
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| ryukafalz | ohhh okay that I don't know | 19:11 |
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| locusf | coderus: do you mean the skin or the whole case? | 19:19 |
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| cb400f | hmm.. great PR for Jolla in large Danish tech site... according to them Jolla is behind http://www.puzzlephone.com/ running Android | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | wat | 19:22 |
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| Stskeeps | url? | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | also, you're danish? | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:23 |
| cb400f | http://www.version2.dk/artikel/nokia-udbrydere-paa-vej-med-puslespils-smartphone-75179 | 19:23 |
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| cb400f | yup, I was at the open source days event too ;-) | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | well, the thought is nice, but no, that's not jolla | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | ah, damnit, somebody who has seen me.. | 19:23 |
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| cb400f | ;-) | 19:23 |
| svuorela | apparantly cb400f is more shy when it comes to walking up to people and say hi than I am | 19:24 |
| sqrrl | i'm developing an android app and i want to run it on jolla. i use a navigation drawer (thing that appear when i swipe from the side of the screen), but jolla overrides that gesture. how should i deal with it? | 19:24 |
| cb400f | at least they manage to mention the tablet in the article ;-) | 19:24 |
| r0kk3rz | hmm i think i got banhammered from mitakuuluu, oh well | 19:25 |
| svuorela | cb400f: the puzzlephone chairman is apparantly a patent lawyer. | 19:26 |
| cb400f | great ;-) | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | and we have lawyers who used to be in symbian foundation, it doesn't make us bad peopl.. | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | +e | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:27 |
| r0kk3rz | if you want to make phones, arm up on the patent lawyers | 19:27 |
| AL13N | looks like these 1000 are the last ones... on some page it says 1000 at $189; 1000 at $199; 2000 at $204; 3000 at $209 ... and another says that over 6000 units has been sold... that means the this 1000 at $209 is the last one... | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | so, general opinions how today's meeting went? | 19:28 |
| svuorela | was there a meeting today ? | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 19:29 |
| tadzik | I liked what came out of it, even though work was thrown in my face | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | better than feces, i guess.. :P | 19:29 |
| tadzik | that's fair though | 19:29 |
| ryukafalz | I thought it went well personally | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | svuorela: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-December/005312.html | 19:29 |
| cb400f | sqrrl: afaik #sailfishos is more for development.. maybe try there | 19:29 |
| sledges | ah tadzik you're not on #sailfishos ;) | 19:30 |
| javispedro | it went like everyone of these meetings | 19:30 |
| tadzik | sledges: yeah, you guys have gazillion channels | 19:30 |
| javispedro | no one got what they wanted :) | 19:30 |
| sledges | :D | 19:30 |
| sqrrl | cb400f: thanks! | 19:30 |
| tadzik | #jollamobile, #nemomobile, #sailfishos, #mer, #mer-meeting | 19:30 |
| sledges | tadzik: i got people asking where they can help for sailfishos | 19:30 |
| ryukafalz | javispedro: hah, well, it was more focused than previous meetings have been when it comes to OSS | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | #sailfishos-porters, .. | 19:30 |
| sledges | ( tadzik: add -porters too) | 19:30 |
| sledges | hehe | 19:30 |
| tadzik | not so long ago all my irc buffers fit on the 1-0 keys on the keyboard | 19:31 |
| ryukafalz | #nemomobile-porters :P | 19:31 |
| coderus | locusf: lastu have case for jolla? | 19:31 |
| svuorela | Stskeeps: oh. interesting. is there a log or a meeting minutes or something like that available | 19:31 |
| sledges | tadzik: lucky man, i have 133 at the moment | 19:31 |
| * cb400f takes advantage of the faulty v2 article to shamelessly promote the tablet | 19:31 | |
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| Stskeeps | svuorela: http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-12-02-15.00.log.html | 19:32 |
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| ryukafalz | tadzik: not too long ago all my IRC buffers fit on my screen ;) | 19:32 |
| tadzik | sledges: http://i.imgur.com/yfuCR.gif | 19:32 |
| tadzik | sledges: is this your job? :D | 19:33 |
| sledges | tadzik: yes | 19:33 |
| ryukafalz | I have 39 currently | 19:33 |
| svuorela | Stskeeps: thanks. but. lots of text | 19:34 |
| tadzik | sledges: hah, good for you :) | 19:34 |
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| sledges | follow your dream, and you'll end up with so many buffers :D | 19:35 |
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| ryukafalz | I show only those with activity in my buffer list. I clear them all occasionally, then a second later 5 have popped back up :> | 19:35 |
| locusf | coderus: yes, its a white toh with lastu skin and a leather flap which covers the phone | 19:36 |
| sledges | ryukafalz: muting is awesome feature:)) | 19:37 |
| ryukafalz | heheh, but then I'd forget I have some muted | 19:37 |
| cb400f | guessing the guys at V2 mis-read this Norwegian article http://www.digi.no/931794/denne-mobilen-vil-du-kunne-oppgradere-selv | 19:37 |
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| sledges | i never close windows because over time i know that number 109 is coming from that channel/person :) | 19:37 |
| xavinux | Hi people | 19:39 |
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| sledges | tadzik: xavinux is ready to help on the documentation effort where he can | 19:40 |
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| xavinux | tadzik: Hi | 19:41 |
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| tadzik | xavinux: hey, hello | 19:45 |
| tadzik | xavinux: we organize on #mer, mostly | 19:45 |
| tadzik | so it has been decided :) | 19:45 |
| xavinux | tadzik: ok | 19:47 |
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| coderus | locusf: well, is it available in retaails? | 20:31 |
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| kimmoli | coderus: http://lastucase.com/product/lastu-wallet-case-for-jolla-lompakko-wallet-case-cover-suojakuori/ | 20:40 |
| kimmoli | coderus: at least quick search, no results. | 20:42 |
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| swift110_ | hey guys | 20:47 |
| Yaniel | hi | 20:48 |
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| swift110_ | how are you yaniel | 20:56 |
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| RavenholmDX | Heyo | 21:00 |
| SKyd3R | hi there :) | 21:01 |
| RavenholmDX | What is up? | 21:02 |
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| swift110_ | hey RavenholmDX and SKyd3R how are you guys | 21:03 |
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| RavenholmDX | Pretty good | 21:04 |
| RavenholmDX | Jolla shipped today finally | 21:04 |
| RavenholmDX | took a week :( | 21:04 |
| swift110_ | what ya get RavenholmDX | 21:05 |
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| mcuros | hi | 21:07 |
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| mcuros | is anyone using transmission? | 21:07 |
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| SKyd3R | swift110_: I'm fine, and you? | 21:09 |
| SKyd3R | my Jolla is finally working :) | 21:09 |
| swift110_ | jolla phone? | 21:10 |
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| SKyd3R | yes | 21:11 |
| swift110_ | ok how do you like it | 21:12 |
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| falfa | When is the next software update due? | 21:16 |
| Bysmyyr | soon(tm) | 21:16 |
| tadzik | maybe before christmas [tm] | 21:17 |
| Obi-Lan | wonder if I get my phone before christmas | 21:17 |
| falfa | :-) | 21:18 |
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| TemeV | falfa: https://together.jolla.com/question/68125/official-announcement-current-status-of-update10/ according to this, next week or next year :) | 21:20 |
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| falfa | great, thats fast | 21:21 |
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| SKyd3R | swift110_: I'm not sure, I used it for only one day | 21:32 |
| SKyd3R | I like the concept, the more intuitive interface and having a linux like system | 21:33 |
| swift110_ | ok | 21:35 |
| SKyd3R | on the other hand there is a lack of native apps | 21:38 |
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| keithzg | The upside of the app situation, IMHO, is that the native apps that *do* exist are often of higher quality than their alternatives. For example, I've been using AntennaPod on Android lately, but it isn't quite as good as gPodder; the Android ownCloud News client is great but a bit buggy, while ocNews is rock solid and has a few extra interface perks. | 21:42 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: so, can i buy it in finland retails? | 22:04 |
| kimmoli | didn't found | 22:05 |
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| SKyd3R | keithzg: but to install gPodder you need to enter on development, right? | 22:06 |
| SKyd3R | to install the rpm | 22:06 |
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| keithzg | SKyd3R: Naw, you can install RPMs without going into development mode, although I forget now which file browsers in the Store have that feature; I tend to indeed use development mode and just "rpm -ivh mumble.rpm", heh, or more specifically to install Warehouse and Zypper and such and then manage repos and packages through those tools. | 22:08 |
| keithzg | IIRC update10 should enable pyotherside apps in the Harbour, which will mean gPodder can enter the normal Store. | 22:09 |
| SKyd3R | that's great news | 22:09 |
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| SKyd3R | I'm used to the terminal, but most of the phone users aren't | 22:10 |
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| Tegu | you can even instal rpm's from the download list (in the settings) | 22:11 |
| keithzg | Oh, huh, has that always been true? I *swear* when I first got my Jolla that wasn't true, but maybe I just remember incorrectly. | 22:12 |
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| Tegu | not necessary always. don't remember if it came in some update. als8, apks can also be installed from the same list | 22:12 |
| keithzg | Fair enough. Being the kind of person I am, I got into developer mode to get the terminal and to set up SSH as soon as possible, heh, so the window within which I would have installed any other way wasn't very long anyways ;) | 22:13 |
| Morpog_PC | keithzg, it came in update 4 or 5 iirc | 22:13 |
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| keithzg | Morpog_PC: Aha, fair enough, I think I got my Jolla around update 2 or 3. | 22:14 |
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