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| Nicd- | jolla 1 year birthday! \o/ | 08:19 |
| Nicd- | first 450 never forget | 08:20 |
| Tomo | woot woot | 08:20 |
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| Hartzi | sadly the number one isn't here | 08:22 |
| Nicd- | wearing my first one shirt for the occasion :) | 08:23 |
| Bysmyyr_ | https://mobile.twitter.com/GetYounited/status/537881052971163649 | 08:24 |
| tadzik | hmm, maybe I'll forget about the android faux pas and try it out | 08:25 |
| Tomo | hmm, code not working | 08:28 |
| _inte_ | is younited by any means superior to e.g. dropbox? | 08:28 |
| ln- | not controlled by nsa | 08:29 |
| Tomo | _inte_: i guess privacy and security aspects are the selling point | 08:29 |
| Tomo | also the online and desktop UI are pretty modern | 08:29 |
| Nicd- | but you can't really be sure about younited either, as it doesn't have end-to-end | 08:29 |
| Nicd- | it's pretty much "trust us, we're Finnish instead of American" | 08:29 |
| Tomo | compared to Google Drive for example it's not just a folder, it's more like a gallery | 08:29 |
| Tomo | last time i used Dropbox it was only a folder, too | 08:30 |
| meklu | it's kind of weird since I haven't really found a way to granularly synchronize anything | 08:30 |
| meklu | if I disable auto-sync the UI is so fucked I can't figure out how to add stuff there | 08:31 |
| meklu | nevermind actually grabbing sharing links | 08:31 |
| Nicd- | I just use it to autosync all photos and share links to friends | 08:31 |
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| _inte_ | Tomo: it hosted on amazon cloud | 08:31 |
| _inte_ | how is this more secure than dropbox? | 08:31 |
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| Tomo | they are not bound by american law i guess | 08:32 |
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| _inte_ | is it encrypted like mega? | 08:32 |
| Bysmyyr_ | Tomo: to me it said that not working but I got that | 08:32 |
| Tomo | Bysmyyr_: ok | 08:32 |
| _inte_ | Tomo: well, but amazon is | 08:32 |
| Nicd- | _inte_: the data is hosted in Finland | 08:32 |
| Nicd- | only the website (younited.com) is hosted on amazon in ireland | 08:32 |
| _inte_ | ah | 08:32 |
| Nicd- | also, it does not have end-to-end | 08:32 |
| Nicd- | like mega | 08:33 |
| Bysmyyr_ | waiting linux client... | 08:33 |
| Nicd- | it's only encrypted on their server | 08:33 |
| _inte_ | Nicd-: Interesting | 08:33 |
| Tomo | Bysmyyr_: yeah i got it although it claimed failure :) | 08:33 |
| _inte_ | But, wait - wasnt younited the company that announced a Jolla client and ended up releasing their android-app to the jolla store 6month later? | 08:35 |
| Nicd- | yes | 08:35 |
| _inte_ | :) | 08:35 |
| Nicd- | though younited is not a company | 08:35 |
| meklu | they're not a company | 08:35 |
| Nicd- | f-secure is the company | 08:35 |
| meklu | f-secure is the company | 08:35 |
| _inte_ | I knew I heard it before:) | 08:35 |
| meklu | damn it you :) | 08:35 |
| _inte_ | well, ok, f-secure :) | 08:35 |
| _inte_ | hehe | 08:36 |
| _inte_ | but it appears to be free so why not give it a try | 08:36 |
| _inte_ | im using dropbox as well anyways:) | 08:36 |
| TemeV | is there open api for Younited? Because for Dropbox there is, which is nice advantage | 08:38 |
| Tomo | http://community.f-secure.com/t5/Using-younited/Is-there-an-API-for-younited/td-p/38697 | 08:39 |
| Tomo | from a year ago | 08:39 |
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| entil | there should be a younited api initiative working together with f-secure | 08:40 |
| entil | because it'd suck immensely if someone actually started reversing the protocol based on the desktop/android apps and then two weeks later there's a public api doc | 08:41 |
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| TemeV | So I guess still no. Too bad | 08:43 |
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| _inte_ | did anyone figure out how to redeem this voucher? | 08:45 |
| entil | the android client works well enough, but it's android | 08:45 |
| _inte_ | https://app.younited.com/redeem.html doesnt work for me | 08:46 |
| Bysmyyr_ | _inte_: there is that link. It says that not work nut worked for me | 08:46 |
| Tomo | _inte_: yes, https://app.younited.com/#/redeem it fails, but i got the space | 08:46 |
| Tomo | now to decide what to do with it, seeing that i already got 1TB on Google Drive :P | 08:46 |
| entil | "You now have 200 GB of space until 11/27/2015 on your younited account" <3 | 08:47 |
| Bysmyyr_ | then it will cost 50e | 08:47 |
| entil | I think that's ok | 08:48 |
| entil | I actually kinda use the android client | 08:48 |
| entil | and if something happens, I'll just downgrade or cancel :P | 08:48 |
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| Bysmyyr_ | I have this server account for 45e with 500GB | 08:48 |
| entil | oh | 08:49 |
| entil | well, I have a shit-ton of free space and 200G for free so I don't care about anything \:D/ | 08:49 |
| _inte_ | Tomo thanks that link worked for me! | 08:50 |
| _inte_ | blackfriday is the code | 08:50 |
| _inte_ | worked as well | 08:50 |
| _inte_ | but i cant download a client:( | 08:51 |
| _inte_ | ah, here it is: http://community.f-secure.com/t5/Using-younited/Linux-clients-available-here/td-p/38981 | 08:53 |
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| meklu | there's no exclamation point in the voucher | 09:01 |
| meklu | it's just BLACKFRIDAY | 09:01 |
| meklu | worked-here™ | 09:01 |
| _inte_ | for me it was blackfriday | 09:02 |
| _inte_ | maybe its not case sensititve | 09:02 |
| meklu | would make sense | 09:03 |
| Jonni | 'tätä kuponkia voi käyttää vain uudet asiakkaat' so basicly it says f*ck you | 09:06 |
| entil | huh, I'm an old customer | 09:06 |
| Tomo | me too, i made the account pretty early on | 09:08 |
| Tomo | Jonni: had you purchased space previously? | 09:08 |
| Tomo | could be that if you have used a voucher or paid for extra space, you are counted as an old customer | 09:08 |
| Jonni | Tomo: nope, only have registered previously | 09:08 |
| Jonni | for free space | 09:08 |
| Tomo | used a voucher when registering? | 09:09 |
| Jonni | nope | 09:09 |
| Tomo | should work then | 09:09 |
| Tomo | seeing that it worked for ppl here who are oldies | 09:09 |
| Jonni | maybe my acc is too old :) | 09:10 |
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| Tomo | well i registered pretty much as soon as it was open for the public so i doubt it :) | 09:16 |
| Jonni | I might have registered before it was open for public :) | 09:19 |
| Jonni | ohwell, anyways not working for me. | 09:20 |
| Jonni | ah, well it shows 200GB, so guess it worked anyways, or I already had that :) | 09:21 |
| Jonni | maybe it was complaining that you cannot use the code multiple times :) | 09:22 |
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| Tomo | oh, well many of us here had a problem with it failing by the message, but still got the space... you got a different error | 09:22 |
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| RavenholmDX | Jolla are really slow at dispatching | 09:27 |
| RavenholmDX | wonder if they've been selling a bunch more phones since they dropped the price | 09:27 |
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| Sail0r | good to have a jolla http://thehackernews.com/2014/11/twitter-will-now-track-every-app-you.html | 09:33 |
| Nc_ | Sail0r, crap, now I need to uninstall Tweetian, or they'll track my apps! | 09:34 |
| Sail0r | hehe | 09:34 |
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| entil | oh crap, using curl to read tweets is compromised! evacuate the premises! close the blast doors! women and children go first! | 09:35 |
| entil | also http://www.cultofmac.com/304401/ubers-android-app-literally-malware/ | 09:35 |
| meklu | they'll know you have bash! | 09:35 |
| meklu | THEY'LL KNOW YOU HAVE BASH | 09:35 |
| * Nc_ murders coderus | 09:36 | |
| entil | don't even try to fake your user-agent header, THEY'LL KNOW! | 09:36 |
| entil | shit, I don't know if we'll make the night... the malware and spyware is everywhere.. all I got is this j olla and the support of my family.. fortunately we all made it out in time, the android and ios users weren't as lucky | 09:38 |
| Tegu | that along with this makes me wish that jolla had a proper permission model. http://www.gironsec.com/blog/2014/11/what-the-hell-uber-uncool-bro/ | 09:38 |
| SK_work | Nc_: why murdering coderus ? what did he do ? | 09:38 |
| Nc_ | Someone needed to be murdered due to Twitter tracking people | 09:38 |
| entil | I can see the uber helicopters closing in.. we're going to make a run for the sewers.. with twitter compromised, we can't communicate with the outside world.. I have never tasted rat before, but that will be our only food.. | 09:38 |
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| ggabriel | this escalated quickly | 09:39 |
| SK_work | lol | 09:39 |
| entil | :D | 09:40 |
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| Stskeeps | oh omena | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | Hyvää joulunodotusta [*FNAME*]! | 10:10 |
| Nicd- | ? | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | newsletter | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:11 |
| Nicd- | didn't know your name is FNAME | 10:11 |
| tadzik | "But we are not supposed to ask and discuss about when the next update is released ;) It will prolong the release by one day to one week at minimum" -- from tjc | 10:11 |
| tadzik | I'm glad this meme caught on :D | 10:12 |
| meklu | every time you make a fat joke about gaben, hl3 gets pushed back another year | 10:14 |
| meklu | maybe some millenium shall see the final product | 10:15 |
| ggabriel | why? they're making enough money with steam | 10:15 |
| RavenholmDX | why the hell does Battle.net live chat take way too long | 10:18 |
| RavenholmDX | about 20 minutes waiting now | 10:18 |
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| flux | maybe they have few night or european folks responding. | 11:16 |
| suosaaski | are you suggesting europeans are slow to respond? :) | 11:18 |
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| gogeta | https://twitter.com/nokia/status/537931345205293056/photo/1 | 11:39 |
| gogeta | same strategy ? | 11:39 |
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| Htheb | is it possible to enable ad-hoc mode, by some (dirty) hack? | 11:41 |
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| HtheB | It's a bit dissapointed that it doesnt find ad-hoc networks :( | 11:42 |
| Wnt | this is pretty interesting: http://10basetom.tumblr.com/post/103440957356/mobile-device-portability-index-google-sheets a score for mobile devices calculated from screen size, weight, volume and battery size | 11:44 |
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| HtheB | N9 = the worst portability | 11:45 |
| Wnt | yeah :D | 11:45 |
| HtheB | lols | 11:46 |
| HtheB | Jolla isn't farfetched from the N9 :P | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | reminds me of a funny south park episode where they measure stuff | 11:47 |
| HtheB | southpark ftw | 11:48 |
| Wnt | the top devices on that list are _really_ thin and have huge screens | 11:48 |
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| ggabriel | they bend too | 11:48 |
| Wnt | the Oppo R5 for example: 4,9 mm thick, 5,2 inch screen :D | 11:49 |
| HtheB | ggabriel: thats why they invent those bendable screens :P | 11:49 |
| HtheB | haha | 11:49 |
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| meklu | :o | 11:53 |
| meklu | that's not portable at all | 11:53 |
| meklu | what a screwed up metric | 11:54 |
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| marinaio | Agreed, it's a screwed up metric. How is the Ascend Mate 7 more portable than the Jolla? | 11:57 |
| HtheB | anyone who knows how Jolla can connect to ad-hoc networks (with workarounds?) | 12:00 |
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| chem|st | HtheB: iwconfig? | 12:26 |
| HtheB | chem|st: what command do i have to use? | 12:26 |
| HtheB | or can we adjust some files so it will also just show them within the "WLAN Select" screen? | 12:27 |
| chem|st | iwconfig | 12:27 |
| HtheB | yes, iwconfig, and then next? :) | 12:27 |
| chem|st | HtheB: connman was "patched" to unsupport ad-hoc for some reason | 12:28 |
| chem|st | iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc essid AdHoc key 1234567890 | 12:28 |
| HtheB | i see | 12:28 |
| chem|st | ifconfig wlan0 192.168.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 | 12:28 |
| HtheB | any idea why this is patched? | 12:28 |
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| chem|st | ask the connman guys... https://gitorious.org/connman/vudentz-clone/commit/cd9d9e6 | 12:29 |
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| HtheB | someone has to make a patch to unpatch the patch :D | 12:29 |
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| chem|st | seems someone had issues with ad-hoc and patched upstream, there is no sane reason to deactivate a common but deprecated mode | 12:30 |
| HtheB | lets re-enable the adhoc within connman :D | 12:31 |
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| chem|st | HtheB: well, comment that part build it and upload it somewhere (not OBS) | 13:02 |
| chem|st | cybette: is the coming release scheduled for opt-in or will it be a normal release? | 13:03 |
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| kimmoli | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet/x/3341704 | 13:26 |
| kimmoli | stretch goles? | 13:26 |
| kimmoli | goals | 13:26 |
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| Stskeeps | https://go.indiegogo.com/blog/2013/06/maintaining-campaign-momentum-with-stretch-goals.html | 13:27 |
| ggabriel | uh? | 13:27 |
| kimmoli | hmmm micro-distributor kit would make nice cluster | 13:28 |
| pp_ | :-) | 13:28 |
| pp_ | promising software features might be nice (and easy to do) | 13:28 |
| pp_ | get to 1.5M and we implement X (which we were doing anyway) | 13:28 |
| sharpneli | Like ES3.1 ;) | 13:29 |
| Sail0r | yay | 13:30 |
| pp_ | hehe, the 32 -> 128G upgrade sounds like software :-) (well, licensing exfat from tuxera or whatnot :-) | 13:30 |
| ggabriel | back of tablet laser engraved with a unicorn (or a kitten) | 13:30 |
| meklu | "3.5G" | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3.5G | 13:31 |
| meklu | does this mean the dual carrier 3G stuff or LTE? | 13:31 |
| * meklu clicks | 13:31 | |
| Sail0r | 2,5million is pretty | 13:31 |
| Sail0r | high goal | 13:32 |
| suosaaski | dual carrier I think | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | LTE is 4G | 13:32 |
| meklu | it's only 4G because telcos and mfg's pushed the standards bodies to make it so | 13:32 |
| meklu | :< | 13:32 |
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| meklu | why do I get these promotional emails from Jolla with "Hi ," | 13:36 |
| fennekki | you have no name | 13:36 |
| meklu | it's funny because I also get ones that put my name there | 13:36 |
| Nicd- | yyyeaaah I really don't believe in those stretch goals. except maybe the first one | 13:37 |
| Nicd- | that we'll reach them I mean | 13:37 |
| kimmoli | NFC would have been nice one too... | 13:38 |
| kimmoli | even for "TOH" comms too | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | meklu: better than hello ${SUCKER_NAME} | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | or what recruiters use | 13:38 |
| pp_ | :) | 13:39 |
| meklu | :D | 13:39 |
| sharpneli | :D | 13:40 |
| sharpneli | I'd love to have a mail like that | 13:40 |
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| ruskie | Nicd-, kinda agree on that | 13:54 |
| locusf | I can understand that splitscreen is a stretch goal, requires a lot of changes | 13:54 |
| Tomo | split screen would be pretty amazing :O | 13:55 |
| ruskie | yup it would be | 13:55 |
| ruskie | can't say I care for the 3.5g part though | 13:55 |
| Tomo | that is something to make your friends jealous with :) | 13:55 |
| HtheB | Tomo: slipscreen as in? | 13:56 |
| ruskie | still haven't bouth a 3/4g mobile wifi ap | 13:56 |
| HtheB | split* | 13:56 |
| ruskie | so couldn't care less for native 3g | 13:56 |
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| Tomo | HtheB: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet see stretch goal #2 | 13:56 |
| HtheB | Tomo: but that is not a unique feature.... | 13:57 |
| HtheB | why would your friends be jealous? | 13:57 |
| Tomo | it's not in stock android nor ios? | 13:57 |
| ruskie | how is split screen not a unique feature on a tablet? | 13:57 |
| Tomo | it's hackable on android | 13:57 |
| HtheB | ruskie: its available already on android | 13:58 |
| HtheB | no hack needed... | 13:58 |
| locusf | it comes with the new Note phablets | 13:58 |
| ruskie | ahhh | 13:58 |
| ruskie | touchwiz splitscreen | 13:58 |
| HtheB | ruskie: you can even have windows.... | 13:58 |
| HtheB | real windows instead of splitscreens | 13:58 |
| ruskie | so again not android native | 13:58 |
| Tomo | but it's not in stock android? | 13:58 |
| ruskie | and it works for all apps or again only touchwiz compatible ones like before? | 13:58 |
| HtheB | http://www.businessinsider.com/screenshots-of-split-screen-feature-for-stock-android-2014-10 | 13:59 |
| HtheB | ruskie: all apps were compatible.. | 13:59 |
| HtheB | with a little trick | 13:59 |
| HtheB | android or not, it's not unique | 13:59 |
| ruskie | HtheB, little trick != all apps were compatible on touchwiz | 14:00 |
| ruskie | now what you linked for stock though that does seem more likely | 14:00 |
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| HtheB | Samsung has been implementing a multi-window mode on its Galaxy phones since 2012. | 14:01 |
| ruskie | yes that only worked with certain apps | 14:02 |
| ruskie | unless as you said "little trick" | 14:02 |
| Venemo | heh | 14:03 |
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| Venemo | just read together | 14:03 |
| ggabriel | all of it? | 14:03 |
| Venemo | I dislike the idea of split screen multitasking | 14:03 |
| ruskie | anyway why are we discussing android? this is jolla!!! | 14:03 |
| HtheB | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohNqCwcKNV8 | 14:03 |
| ruskie | UX side it'll still be light years ahead of android or ios | 14:04 |
| HtheB | ruskie: I'm duscussing why friends will be jealous | 14:04 |
| HtheB | acourding to Tomo | 14:04 |
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| ruskie | maybe cause by the time android will have it in a device jolla will have a product out that already has it? | 14:05 |
| ggabriel | reminds me of desqview | 14:05 |
| Nicd- | heh, the UI in HtheB's video is laughably bad | 14:06 |
| Tomo | HtheB: well my friends are mostly not samsung users :d | 14:06 |
| HtheB | Tomo: lol | 14:06 |
| HtheB | many users here in the Netherlands uses Samsung nowadays | 14:06 |
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| HtheB | Nicd-: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHJyWiNpwhI | 14:06 |
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| Tomo | and i asked a couple of them and they say most stuff works, but irc apparently not | 14:07 |
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| SK_work | damn, split screen is unlikely to be reached :( | 14:07 |
| Tomo | whatever they use to connect, i guess connectbot or some such | 14:07 |
| SK_work | don't care much about 3.5 | 14:07 |
| SK_work | G | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | i idly wonder how much a sailfishos smartwatch would raise | 14:08 |
| pp_ | SK_work: it's only 2100 tablets or so? | 14:08 |
| fennekki | Stskeeps: nothing at all | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | ouch :) | 14:09 |
| fennekki | nobody in their right mind wants a smartwatch | 14:09 |
| ruskie | nobody cares for smartwatches... | 14:09 |
| fennekki | as someone put it: smartwatches exist to replace your phone that replaced your watch | 14:09 |
| ggabriel | i don't need a tablet, but i bought one; i def wouldn't buy a smartwatch | 14:09 |
| ruskie | know your customers | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | fennekki: i bought one.. for development | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:09 |
| fennekki | well, yeah | 14:09 |
| fennekki | and I mean | 14:09 |
| fennekki | smartwatches are cool | 14:09 |
| HtheB | ruskie: i have the Pebble Steel :) | 14:09 |
| fennekki | I just can't see any use for them | 14:10 |
| SK_work | pp_: 2100 tablets is a lot | 14:10 |
| ggabriel | i don't think irc represents most jolla customers fwiw | 14:10 |
| ruskie | I don't have any watch on me other than my jolla | 14:10 |
| SK_work | the increase of people pledging slowed down quite a bit | 14:10 |
| fennekki | ggabriel: why not? I mostly know Jolla owners who are very technologically inclined | 14:10 |
| SK_work | Stskeeps: please, no smartwatches | 14:10 |
| fennekki | anyway, there's pebble support for sailfish already | 14:10 |
| fennekki | so | 14:10 |
| SK_work | I did saw some interesting uses of a tablet | 14:10 |
| SK_work | non for a watch | 14:10 |
| ruskie | tablet has many uses | 14:10 |
| HtheB | Stskeeps: instead of a smartwatch, make other smartwatches compatible with Sailfish OS :) | 14:10 |
| ruskie | watch... erm... | 14:11 |
| * Nav has a watch, it tells me what time it is, it is accurate, the battery lasts YEARS | 14:11 | |
| ggabriel | fennekki: well, i don't think we have ~8k ppl here, and there are 8k funders so... | 14:11 |
| ln- | fennekki: irc does not represent most technologically inclined people | 14:11 |
| * Nav is unlikely to replace it with a smart watch | 14:11 | |
| tadzik | tablet has uses but watches don't? | 14:11 |
| Nav | and certainly won't wear 2 watches | 14:11 |
| HtheB | watches has more uses than tablets for me | 14:11 |
| pp_ | well, if there was a watch-sized thing that had the battery life of a watch and showed the time (and some notifications from the phone, could be updated once per minute via bt or whatnot) | 14:11 |
| * SK_work have a nice watch too, no need for one that lasts one day :( | 14:11 | |
| ruskie | heh | 14:11 |
| ruskie | my watches are all in a drawer at home | 14:12 |
| HtheB | SK_work: pebble lasts for 7 days :P hehe | 14:12 |
| SK_work | tadzik: maybe but much less | 14:12 |
| ruskie | and oft so will be my phone | 14:12 |
| fennekki | ln-: I suppose. | 14:12 |
| SK_work | HtheB: 7 days isn't acceptable | 14:12 |
| Nav | in addition my watch is more waterproof than me, and appears pretty much indestructible | 14:12 |
| SK_work | what is acceptable is a year | 14:12 |
| tadzik | well, I'd much rather go for a watch than a table | 14:12 |
| tadzik | t | 14:12 |
| ggabriel | interesting tadzik | 14:12 |
| SK_work | Nav: mine have sapphire crystal | 14:12 |
| fennekki | Nav: did you know that, as it turns out, skin is not waterproof. you're not waterproof at all | 14:12 |
| SK_work | rather indestructible | 14:12 |
| HtheB | SK_work: better then 1 day ;) | 14:12 |
| SK_work | HtheB: yeah | 14:13 |
| Nav | fennekki: I'm certainly no good at 1000ft depth :-P | 14:13 |
| HtheB | oh and also, Pebble's screen is 24/7 on | 14:13 |
| tadzik | watch is constantly peekable-at being on my wrist, but to carry something too big for pants pocket just to have more comfortable youtube experience? | 14:13 |
| HtheB | showing the time | 14:13 |
| SK_work | I know that the iPhone didn't had 1 week of battery and was a huge success | 14:13 |
| SK_work | but the smartwatch trend is not picking up | 14:13 |
| fennekki | HtheB: isn't it e-ink | 14:13 |
| HtheB | other smartwatches are off | 14:13 |
| fennekki | == no power consumption | 14:13 |
| tbr | fennekki: what's eink? | 14:13 |
| HtheB | e ink yeah | 14:13 |
| fennekki | tbr: pebble | 14:14 |
| tadzik | pebble is not technically eink | 14:14 |
| tbr | fennekki: that's BS, debunked many times. | 14:14 |
| tadzik | I don't think any smartwatch is | 14:14 |
| tbr | It's a ultra low power LCD | 14:14 |
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| HtheB | some say it's LCD | 14:14 |
| HtheB | yeah | 14:14 |
| daitheflu | smartwatches lack use cases, but they will appear | 14:14 |
| tbr | the metawatch has something very similar | 14:14 |
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| tadzik | at this point they're pretty much remote controls for phones | 14:14 |
| HtheB | screen of Pebble: http://www.sharpmemorylcd.com/1-26-inch-memory-lcd.html | 14:15 |
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| * tbr is very happy with his metawatch. it extends my jolla and makes the user experience much more comfortable | 14:15 | |
| fennekki | tbr: well, I must've heard wrong. Shame | 14:15 |
| HtheB | I still dont know why they haven't enabled Bluetooth support for Jolla :( | 14:15 |
| HtheB | (with android apps) | 14:15 |
| fennekki | an e-ink display smartwatch would be Really Cool, though | 14:15 |
| HtheB | would love to use my Pebble with many more usefull apps :( | 14:16 |
| tbr | HtheB: because that means you need to pay the company that writes aliendalvik $pileofadditionalmoniez? | 14:16 |
| tadzik | well, close-enough-to-eink I'm okay with | 14:16 |
| RaYmAn | the "problem" is that you'd be limited to hour:minute, and you'd get fairly frequent full screen refreshes | 14:16 |
| SK_work | daitheflu: I'm waiting for this to appear, even for tablets | 14:16 |
| SK_work | tablets are basically laptop without keyboards | 14:16 |
| ortylp | can someone comment on SailfishOS for 1/ Galaxy Note 2-4 (phone) and 2/ Galaxy Note Pro (tablet): technical constraints, possible availability of images? | 14:16 |
| SK_work | I see nothing more | 14:16 |
| fennekki | RaYmAn: who are you talking to there though | 14:16 |
| HtheB | SK_work: agree | 14:16 |
| tbr | SK_work: it's sort of an evolution of the (failed) netbook | 14:16 |
| RaYmAn | fennekki: you, I guess | 14:16 |
| HtheB | SK_work: but we're going backwards with Tablets | 14:17 |
| SK_work | still nice to have BUT, it is just a laptop without keyboard | 14:17 |
| SK_work | tbr: indeed | 14:17 |
| daitheflu | SK_work: for tablets they already exists :) for smartwatches, just wait until Apple releases theirs + a few monthes | 14:17 |
| HtheB | we're talking about damn splitscreen... | 14:17 |
| HtheB | in normal laptop, you can have 9283479238472398 windows :D | 14:17 |
| fennekki | RaYmAn: well, one refresh per minute doesn't sound too bad, to be honest | 14:17 |
| daitheflu | they already exist* | 14:17 |
| SK_work | daitheflu: the few month passed | 14:18 |
| SK_work | like the google glasses | 14:18 |
| SK_work | they have been out for several years | 14:18 |
| SK_work | not picking up | 14:18 |
| SK_work | why ? battery | 14:18 |
| fennekki | honestly, I guess I'd like a "dumb" e-ink watch. if it had separate e-ink panels in a 7-segment thing it could even consume less power than a traditional watch | 14:18 |
| fennekki | well, otherwise too I guess | 14:18 |
| ortylp | SK_work: Tablet is for me a work tool for reading documents (on 13 inch screen => full A4 page) and doing handwritten notes with (wacom style) stylus, and yes, the formfactor (thinness) is useful for caring always with me | 14:19 |
| fennekki | but that'd migitate some of the fullscreen refresh issues | 14:19 |
| SK_work | ortylp: +1 | 14:19 |
| * SK_work likes mecanical watches | 14:19 | |
| fennekki | mitigate* | 14:19 |
| RaYmAn | fennekki: I suppose. i have one of the sony smartband talk with e-ink screen. It is as you'd expect, lots of ghosting and full-refresh every 6 screen-changes or so. It's somewhat distracting when you see it out of the corner of your eye | 14:19 |
| daitheflu | SK_work: I meant, they just released the SDK + guidelines, and you can't actually use one for now | 14:19 |
| fennekki | though really, if you had separate e-ink panels I guess you could have seconds too | 14:20 |
| HtheB | seriously, Jolla has 2 flaws for me (in my case) | 14:20 |
| daitheflu | SK_work: as for now, I'm really not convinced, but I wasn't either when smartphones appeared, and yet, see where we are now :) | 14:20 |
| HtheB | - Bluetooth support for Android apps | 14:20 |
| HtheB | - Able to see and connect to ad-hoc networks | 14:20 |
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| fennekki | HtheB: the lack of both, you mean? | 14:21 |
| tadzik | I'd just prefer it smaller, and with a T9 keyboard | 14:21 |
| AL13N_work | hmm, i just read the new stretch goals | 14:21 |
| HtheB | fennekki: I would love to use my pebble with various apps, but most of them are "companion apps" (you need to have the app on your phone installed) which means you need to have bluetooth support | 14:21 |
| daitheflu | this splitscreen igg thing is really disappointing | 14:22 |
| daitheflu | I mean REALLY | 14:22 |
| SK_work | why ? | 14:22 |
| SK_work | because you was expecting it to come with SFOS2.0 | 14:22 |
| SK_work | well, me too :) | 14:22 |
| daitheflu | SK_work: of course I was | 14:22 |
| HtheB | I have 10GB on my Nokia N950, but none on my Jolla anymore, so I turned on my hotspot on the Nokia, but Jolla couldnt find it :/ | 14:22 |
| HtheB | seems like it has no ad-hoc support | 14:23 |
| daitheflu | SK_work: it was showed, I thought it was part of the contract. Now we'll probably have to pay for it | 14:23 |
| HtheB | and no, switching simcards is not my solution ;) | 14:23 |
| SK_work | daitheflu: the contract is some mockups | 14:24 |
| SK_work | so ... | 14:24 |
| daitheflu | yep, I know that's what they'll answer | 14:24 |
| daitheflu | damned me, always too much confident | 14:24 |
| AL13N_work | you know what would be better to have in indigogo campaign: add a $100 perk to add 3.5G (if the goals is reached, you have $70 donation and $30 for the 3.5G; if the goal isn't, it's a $100 donation) | 14:24 |
| Nicd- | oh damn, jolla's mailing list thing (on the jolla.com homepage) won't accept my email :( | 14:25 |
| Nicd- | says it's too long | 14:25 |
| HtheB | fennekki yeah | 14:25 |
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| Hartzi | Nicd-: dont troll with your email addresses ;D | 14:26 |
| wazd | New goals for JT IGG campaign are pretty funny :D | 14:27 |
| Nicd- | troll? I never! | 14:27 |
| Hartzi | You shall not troll | 14:27 |
| Nicd- | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.nytsoi.net | 14:27 |
| Nicd- | is a completely valid email | 14:27 |
| fennekki | Q | 14:28 |
| fennekki | is there a length restriction in the standard | 14:28 |
| Nicd- | that's limited by my nameserver and thunderbird | 14:28 |
| Nicd- | apparently the limit is 254 | 14:30 |
| AL13N_work | how about me@8.1.2.0.2.5.6.5.1.2.4.5.8.9.8.4.1.5.4.9.2.4.6.5.4.5.2.2.6.6.5.7.8.9.4.6.in-addr.arpa6 ? | 14:30 |
| daitheflu | even more frustrating : "Split screen will be available to you as a software update during Q3/2015" (if the IGG campaign succeeds) | 14:31 |
| SK_work | daitheflu: if not, it will be a Q4 update | 14:32 |
| fennekki | also: is it necessary to deliver email to addresses that have no valid MX records? | 14:32 |
| daitheflu | SK_work: do you have some input regarding this ? | 14:32 |
| Nicd- | fennekki: how would you do it without MX records? | 14:32 |
| AL13N_work | RFC says that if MX fails, A is done | 14:33 |
| AL13N_work | but i can agree that it's probably not necessary | 14:33 |
| fennekki | Nicd-: directly to the A record, of course | 14:33 |
| Nicd- | of course | 14:33 |
| Nicd- | I do have MX though | 14:33 |
| fennekki | I mean, that's what you would logically try | 14:33 |
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| fennekki | since that's what the domain name resolves to anyway | 14:34 |
| AL13N_work | in the past, i've had a mailserver that didn't have MX records and it worked perfectly | 14:34 |
| AL13N_work | it was even an ip from a dynamic netblock | 14:34 |
| AL13N_work | of course, now i have a static ip and a proper domain | 14:34 |
| fennekki | but I presume email WILL be delivered directly to IP addresses and as such locally defined hostnames as well | 14:34 |
| SK_work | daitheflu: no but I guess that they will give you this feature nevertheless | 14:36 |
| daitheflu | SK_work: I hope so, but I won't assume anything anymore from now :) | 14:38 |
| Armadillo | hm, SDHC up to 128GB. I doubt this will work :D | 14:39 |
| Nicd- | btw, someone should tell jolla it's not SDHC, it's SDXC | 14:40 |
| Armadillo | this is what I meant :D | 14:40 |
| fennekki | Nicd-: it could be that's a typo | 14:40 |
| Nicd- | fennekki: it's everywhere | 14:40 |
| fennekki | oh | 14:41 |
| fennekki | well, maybe the person who wrote it just thought they were writing the right thing | 14:41 |
| Armadillo | the 2.5m goal seems too hgh to reach for me, what do you think? | 14:46 |
| flux | that's the point ;-) | 14:47 |
| daitheflu | Armadillo: even the 1.75 seems a bit high to me | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | at least it's not 37mill | 14:47 |
| daitheflu | :D | 14:47 |
| ggabriel | i said 10k funders | 14:48 |
| ggabriel | or thereabouts | 14:48 |
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| daitheflu | Stskeeps: that could happen once your reputation gets as high as Ubuntu's | 14:50 |
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| wazd | I wonder how come one need 380K to produce a tablet and then needs 6.5 times more to add a modem to it :D | 14:51 |
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| tadzik | modems are serious business | 14:53 |
| wazd | yeeeah | 14:53 |
| Nav | Cos if your design is already finalised it's an expensive change | 14:54 |
| wazd | although it can be connected with certifications and stuff | 14:54 |
| daitheflu | I guess I'll have no other choice than buy one for my relatives | 14:54 |
| wazd | Nav: that's why your design should always be scalable a bit | 14:55 |
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| _inte_ | 1,5M may be possible, but I doubt it will get 1,75 :( | 15:00 |
| wazd | _inte_: trust me, you never know how things will come :D | 15:01 |
| _inte_ | true:) | 15:01 |
| _inte_ | 3G would, of course, also be nice to have | 15:02 |
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| _inte_ | but why not make it LTE then? | 15:02 |
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| Armadillo | 3.5G is HSPA+? | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | HSDPA and such, according to wikipedia | 15:05 |
| _inte_ | yep | 15:05 |
| _inte_ | but still 3G not 4G | 15:05 |
| anYc | I will monitor https://together.jolla.com/question/66717/jolla-tablet-sketchy-stretch-goals/ | 15:06 |
| _inte_ | SDXC appeared on the market in 2009 | 15:06 |
| _inte_ | Im surprised it not default in newer devices anyway | 15:06 |
| _inte_ | I mean, 5y old specs | 15:06 |
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| _inte_ | anYc: ah, also discussing the 3G thing at tjc | 15:08 |
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| _inte_ | https://twitter.com/nokia/status/537984389603278849/photo/1 | 15:10 |
| _inte_ | interesting | 15:10 |
| _inte_ | hopefully Jolla will take care of that as well | 15:10 |
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| Bawal | so, that means you only have to flip the plug once, not twice | 15:11 |
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| kysse | haha | 15:11 |
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| Armadillo | hahaha :D | 15:11 |
| _inte_ | hehe | 15:11 |
| fennekki | so it's still 4-dimensional | 15:11 |
| Mirv | sdxc carries a proprietary/patentencubered filesystem with it | 15:11 |
| _inte_ | true :) | 15:12 |
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| _inte_ | Oh, I like this reply from some user: | 15:12 |
| _inte_ | @nokia Unfollowing you now cause because @Microsoft>Nokia | 15:12 |
| _inte_ | #ThinkingBetter | 15:12 |
| _inte_ | LOL | 15:12 |
| anYc | hehe, saw that too | 15:12 |
| anYc | so, split screen will become a priorized sw feature if the goal is reached? | 15:13 |
| _inte_ | oh Jolla set up a "redistributers packages" | 15:13 |
| _inte_ | well, that could surely boost sales again | 15:14 |
| _inte_ | people like reselling things to ebay, obviously | 15:14 |
| _inte_ | and even the jolla phone is still quite expensive on ebay (if you manage to get one at all) | 15:14 |
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| _inte_ | could also be a nice offer for, say, work groups or maybe universities/schools | 15:16 |
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| AL13N_work | funny how people read the stretch goals wrong: | 15:20 |
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| AL13N_work | +250k for µSDHC ; +250k for split screen; +750k for 3.5G modem | 15:21 |
| AL13N_work | seems easy enough | 15:21 |
| AL13N_work | but some people think that we need x2 to get 3.5G modem | 15:21 |
| AL13N_work | which is not really true | 15:22 |
| AL13N_work | but i do think people don't often will contribute without a personal perk | 15:22 |
| AL13N_work | if i was jolla, i would add a $100 perk that says you get 3.5G (if the goal is met) ; perhaps people would donate more then... | 15:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | lots of people would have to pledge for the 3g modem for it to be worth it though | 15:24 |
| r0kk3rz | i thought the hardware was pretty much set in stone | 15:24 |
| AL13N_work | 7500 ppl would need to donate 100$ | 15:24 |
| AL13N_work | r0kk3rz: there was no official say on it though | 15:24 |
| AL13N_work | i guess the 3.5G modem might fit | 15:25 |
| r0kk3rz | with enough money anything can happen | 15:25 |
| AL13N_work | but it probably needs alot of resources to make it happen | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | real kicker is certification, field tests, etc | 15:26 |
| AL13N_work | probably | 15:26 |
| javispedro | HtheB, re pebble apps, many seem to be done in javascript and are "portable" between ios and android | 15:27 |
| javispedro | that's interesting and I guess reasonable easy to do on the jolla | 15:27 |
| HtheB | javispedro: what do you mean? | 15:27 |
| javispedro | HtheB, the "phone side" of many pebble apps is implemented in javascript | 15:27 |
| HtheB | hmm | 15:28 |
| javispedro | they do it beceause it seems that apple allows them to run JS | 15:28 |
| javispedro | so those programs are runnable in both android and ios | 15:28 |
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| HtheB | there is an app (open source) although I hope someone could port it to Jolla :( | 15:28 |
| tadzik | heh, portable between ios and android, yeah :) | 15:28 |
| javispedro | there are several pebble clients for jolla | 15:28 |
| javispedro | they're missing the JS runtime afaik | 15:29 |
| javispedro | (it's at the bottom of my looong TODO list...) | 15:29 |
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| HtheB | I just wanted to use Pebble Dialer | 15:29 |
| HtheB | https://github.com/matejdro/PebbleDialer-Android | 15:29 |
| HtheB | https://github.com/matejdro/PebbleDialer-Watchapp | 15:29 |
| HtheB | first link is source for the android companion app | 15:30 |
| HtheB | second is watchapp source | 15:30 |
| javispedro | wouldn't be hard to make native phone-side for jolla | 15:30 |
| javispedro | but yeah, that one is certainly not one of the JS apps I was thinking of | 15:30 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: how much work is it to integrate if you put a 3G/4G stick in the tablet that it works? that would be a lot less, right? | 15:30 |
| HtheB | if you could make this, you would be a hero for Pebble and Jolla users | 15:30 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: maybe that could be an intermediate goal, or something that would be done anyway | 15:31 |
| javispedro | HtheB, having to develop all little programs is what I want to try to avoid, but if by making the JS runtime I can cover 90% of pebble apps, then that's interesting :) | 15:33 |
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| HtheB | yeah I understand it | 15:34 |
| HtheB | Smoku stopped the development of his Pebble app :( | 15:35 |
| javispedro | that's news to me | 15:35 |
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| HtheB | at least, he doesnt update it anymore, since it has all the things that he needed | 15:36 |
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| r0kk3rz | its on github though right? | 15:37 |
| HtheB | yeah | 15:37 |
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| * javispedro reads QJSEngine and gets that sparkle in the eyes... | 15:38 | |
| r0kk3rz | then get developing if theres something you want :P | 15:38 |
| HtheB | go javispedro, go javispedro, go javispedro | 15:39 |
| * HtheB cheers javispedro | 15:39 | |
| HtheB | make us happy! :D | 15:40 |
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| _inte_ | thats funny | 15:40 |
| _inte_ | the independent seems to have been hacked | 15:40 |
| _inte_ | ah, old news | 15:42 |
| _inte_ | http://www.independent.co.uk/ | 15:42 |
| _inte_ | wups | 15:42 |
| _inte_ | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/nov/27/syrian-electronic-army-hacks-independent-ok-magazine-and-nhl | 15:42 |
| _inte_ | sorry for disturbing | 15:42 |
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| * javispedro ponders if the extra money from the 1st stretch goal will be used to pay MS exfat royalties? | 15:46 | |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: ouch | 15:47 |
| tadzik | who says anything about fat? :> | 15:47 |
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| javispedro | well technically the page does mention "SDHC" up to 128GB, which is like saying "IPv4 with 256-bit IP addresses", so indeed no one has said anything about fat :) | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: think it's safe to say SDHC is a typo | 15:49 |
| stephg | afternoon | 15:50 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps, yes, but I am not sure what is the plan | 15:52 |
| chem|st | javispedro: they should just start formatting in ext or btrfs per default | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | ext and btrfs is fine for us geeks, but people come with ntfs and exfat devices | 15:53 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: sdxc is sdhc with FS that supports >32GB right? | 15:53 |
| javispedro | and besides, if you promise "sdxc up to 128GiB", and you can't read exfat, get ready to bring in the lawyers when someone inevitably complains | 15:53 |
| javispedro | and if you read exfat and haven't paid the MS royalties, then get those lawyers ready too... | 15:54 |
| chem|st | how do other linux distributions handle it? | 15:54 |
| javispedro | (brb) | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: <sarcasm>the real question is if it's for lawyer fees or royalties</sarcasm> | 15:54 |
| chem|st | lol | 15:54 |
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| chem|st | javispedro: I am actually waiting for a thing "one to rule them all", if Jolla can pull off Desktop next and get $steam on board that would make a bright future | 15:57 |
| tadzik | hehe | 15:57 |
| tadzik | a steam machine by jolla? That'd be the day | 15:58 |
| chem|st | tadzik: go home you are drunk ;) | 15:58 |
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| chem|st | it would fit the lable to get Steam ported to sailfish | 15:59 |
| tadzik | that'd be quite interesting, and possibly doable on that x86 tablet | 16:00 |
| tadzik | if it ran X :) | 16:00 |
| Teemu | i'm sure steam runs on top of something on top of x | 16:00 |
| tadzik | . o O ( Sshhh secret project ) | 16:00 |
| Teemu | whatever that something would be | 16:00 |
| Yaniel | actually steam uses sdl2 afaik | 16:01 |
| chem|st | Teemu: the drivers run on top of something as soooo many games are directx only | 16:01 |
| Yaniel | which works with wayland too already | 16:01 |
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| tadzik | chem|st: not their linux ports though | 16:02 |
| chem|st | tadzik: they run a directx opengl wrapper | 16:02 |
| tadzik | some of them, yes | 16:02 |
| tadzik | well, mesa has a native dx9 implementation these days | 16:02 |
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| chem|st | those directx only games.... | 16:02 |
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| tadzik | it amuses me greatly how it makes sense for them to write brand new engines in dx11 and then throw money at porters to make opengl out of it | 16:03 |
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| tadzik | I assume it's cheaper that way, but still funny | 16:03 |
| chem|st | ehrm you mean valve | 16:03 |
| tadzik | no, I mean firaxis :) | 16:03 |
| chem|st | oh is civ now available for linux? | 16:04 |
| tadzik | valve ported their own games, but firaxis wrote their CivBE anew in dx11 | 16:04 |
| tadzik | and then threw money at aspyr to port that to linux and mac | 16:04 |
| chem|st | lol | 16:04 |
| tadzik | chem|st: Civ5 is, CivBE is Coming Soon [tm] | 16:04 |
| chem|st | I don't get why so many companies rely on dx when there is opengl | 16:05 |
| chem|st | is it just easier? | 16:05 |
| tadzik | my understanding is that it's cheaper to hire externals to do the porting rather than retrain your staff | 16:05 |
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| anYc | I wonder if aspyr even gets money directly from them or if they just get a share of each sold copy | 16:07 |
| SK_work | tadzik: 2 weeks | 16:07 |
| SK_work | for CivBE | 16:07 |
| SK_work | mac port is already out :) | 16:08 |
| anYc | oh, this isn't #steamlug ^^ | 16:08 |
| tadzik | anYc: I think it's both | 16:08 |
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| tadzik | SK_work: yep :) | 16:08 |
| tadzik | SK_work: now we just have to wait for the equivalents of BNE and GaK to come out :P | 16:08 |
| anYc | interesting channel btw | 16:08 |
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| SK_work | BNE and GaK ? | 16:12 |
| tadzik | Brave New World, Gods and Kings | 16:12 |
| SK_work | ha | 16:12 |
| SK_work | G&K BNW | 16:13 |
| SK_work | :D | 16:13 |
| tadzik | uhh | 16:13 |
| tadzik | I suck at writing | 16:13 |
| SK_work | first, get a balance patch out | 16:13 |
| tadzik | anyway, you get the idea :) | 16:13 |
| tadzik | you can't trust 2K with shipping a readymade game on release day | 16:13 |
| SK_work | then, some improvements could be nice :) | 16:13 |
| SK_work | tadzik: I know | 16:13 |
| SK_work | CivV BNW is awesome though | 16:13 |
| tadzik | it is | 16:13 |
| FireFly | I've barely played V :\ | 16:15 |
| FireFly | II and IV on the other hand.. | 16:15 |
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| chem|st | my civ career ended after Col and Civ I | 16:19 |
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| SK_work | chem|st: too bad, CivII was nice | 16:28 |
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| SK_work | never played IV though, as I only played V a lot | 16:28 |
| FireFly | CivII had the funniest railroad mechanics :D | 16:30 |
| FireFly | I never played III, don't know if they work as in II or IV | 16:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | On questions I suspect have no answers yet. Is the hardware in the tablet capable of voice calls? | 17:18 |
| fennekki | capable of voice calls as in does it have a microphone or capable as in can it connect to a mobile network in such a way as to make calls? | 17:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | It seems implied it has the hardware | 17:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | Note! 3.5G cellular connectivity is expected to be available for Jolla Tablets as a software update during Q3/2015 due to demanding certification and field testing requirements, | 17:24 |
| SK_work | SpeedEvil: if you fund the modem module thingie isn't it ? | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | That's not how i read it, but I see how that could be the case. | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | But - reading it the other way implies that they'd fit the hardware to all units if the campaign goes over the limit | 17:26 |
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| javispedro | chem|st, no current Linux distribution I know of "handles" exfat | 17:35 |
| Armadillo | yay | 17:36 |
| Armadillo | my girlfriend bought a kira black TOH for me =) | 17:36 |
| * javispedro thinks the SDXC goal is risky, and just having a $RANDOM_SAILOR anonymously leaking out "hey it reads 128GiB card if you format it as ext3" is actually saner here. | 17:37 | |
| Nav | Hmmm, that reminds me, does the phone auto mount filesystems other than FAT32 yet? Or does it still need the changes to the helper script? | 17:38 |
| javispedro | it's been some updates since the mount script was fixed | 17:38 |
| Nav | I need to reformat my 64GB card as a single ext partition | 17:39 |
| Nav | awesome | 17:39 |
| Nav | bye bye FAT32 :-) | 17:39 |
| javispedro | you can also use btrfs and subvolumes ;P | 17:39 |
| Nav | I'd rather know how much space I have left thanks ;-) | 17:40 |
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| cryorat | Armadillo, she is a keeper :) | 17:43 |
| Armadillo | cryorat oh yes :) | 17:44 |
| Yaniel | I'd like to see a kira-kira-TOH ;) | 17:44 |
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| cryorat | javispedro, btw i was freaked out when i saw the strech goals, i planned to buy one but the split screen is only a strechgoal? Scandal! its a must-have feature if the jolla tablet want to compete among other tablets | 17:47 |
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| javispedro | I don't think the goal is to compete with other tablets | 17:49 |
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| javispedro | at least in the features sense. | 17:50 |
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| SK_work | cryorat: /me thinks of reading compositor code, and hack a patch to have multiple window support | 17:56 |
| SK_work | I do think that the multiwindow thing will come at some point | 17:56 |
| SK_work | on a tablet it is a must-have feature honestly | 17:56 |
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| coderus | so JollaTablet will get MicroSHDC up to 128 GB support. Split screen and 3.5G wont happen. 13 days is not enough. | 18:26 |
| cryorat | SK_work, then why they make it a strechgoal? | 18:31 |
| * cryorat is confused | 18:31 | |
| SK_work | cryorat: because I can have at best a dirty hack :) | 18:31 |
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| cryorat | true :) | 18:32 |
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| Stskeeps | SK_work: multiwindow is more than just 'multi window', interactions change etc | 18:33 |
| friese | wohoo, stretch-goals!!!! think we'll make it to 2.5mio? | 18:34 |
| svuorela | friese: it is the only interesting of the stretch goals | 18:35 |
| Mirv | I think it'd be nice if the firstcomers to the page would still see the thousands who already bought. not everyone can count that the amount of money was not raised by that one perk alone. | 18:36 |
| SK_work | Stskeeps: I know. I wanted just to hack something as a POC (as usual :)) | 18:36 |
| friese | yup :) i'll probably just stick an spare 32gig card in the slot, split screen will be really awesome also, but i could also live without, but that 3g update is still kinda far away... | 18:36 |
| SK_work | friese: not sure :( | 18:36 |
| Mirv | or at least I somehow always just look at the perks and amounts under them, even though they are lower down than the total numbers | 18:37 |
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| friese | i fear everyone who wants to get in on the campaign already has - everybody else will wait for the device to come out... | 18:37 |
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| friese | maybe starting next week there are a few people who needed to wait for their paycheck or sth. like that *hoping* | 18:38 |
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| ortylp | what perk do I have to pay to get SailfishOS on a proper tablet (AKA Galaxy Note Pro)? | 18:38 |
| cb400f | all those people wanting 3.5G, now have a strong incentive to go and actively promote the tablet? | 18:38 |
| friese | yeah, just hope thats enough... | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | ortylp: perhaps beer? | 18:39 |
| * cb400f is happy with wifi, after having gotten 4G that other stuff don't cut it anymore | 18:39 | |
| ortylp | Stskeeps: I was last Friday in Warsaw, I would gladly offer you a whole container beer :D | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | while we're on that topic: if tablet UI is portable like phone UI is currently to multiple devices such as nexus 4/5, do you see it as a plus or minus that porting efforts would have access to tablet binaries? even if people don't have jolla tablet hw yet | 18:40 |
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| Stskeeps | IMHO it'll happen no matter what we do since it's one OS, but it may be seen as envious by people who have contributed | 18:41 |
| friese | hmm, i think it's best to first get the jolla tablet out and concentrate on that, then a few weeks / months later the porting stuff can come out | 18:41 |
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| friese | guess most people wouldn't be too satisfied if people get to use sailfish tablets before they got their jolla tab... | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | as in, we wouldn't spend effort on porting, we have more than enough load on HW efforts | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | friese: OTOH, it may increase the quality of their non-HW adaptation software | 18:42 |
| friese | okay, guess i am "people" then ;) | 18:42 |
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| Stskeeps | so it's really a difficult topic | 18:42 |
| friese | yeah, that's right | 18:42 |
| friese | dev's could get their hands on hardware and try their apps and tweak them so they work nice when te tablet is out | 18:43 |
| friese | guess you could optimise the sdk emulator for that, but that's also not the real deal... | 18:43 |
| ortylp | well, I ordered Jolla tablet, but my goal is to get the software on a real tablet not an ebook reader | 18:43 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm willing to bet somebody will stick it on a x86 iconia tablet or on nexus 7, so | 18:47 |
| friese | well sailfish is kinda... open :) so i guess you couldn't/shouldn't prohibit diy-porting... | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | it's hard to have both openness and exclusivity, indeed | 18:49 |
| * javispedro is waiting for x86_64 binaries... | 18:49 | |
| javispedro | :) | 18:49 |
| friese | yeah - please don't end up like android, which i really liked before google put in all their stuff... | 18:50 |
| friese | okay, android always had google stuff, but i hope you know what i mean ;) | 18:50 |
| friese | tbh i think it would be really kickass to use the device without jolla account, even the store (well, at least for free apps) | 18:50 |
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| tbr | javispedro: Stskeeps said it would be a 64bit kernel with 32bit userspace | 18:53 |
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| * javispedro smells UEFI problems | 18:53 | |
| Stskeeps | no, on the contrary | 18:53 |
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| Stskeeps | uefi 32 bit wouldn't load a 64 bit kernel | 18:53 |
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| Stskeeps | it's just that android didn't officially support any kind of 64-bit until 5.0 | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | OTOH, it might help a bit on the ram situation.. :P | 18:54 |
| javispedro | so it isn't UEFI64 refusing to boot a 32 kernel? | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | no, the kernel is 64-bit and all | 18:55 |
| javispedro | this has been very recent development in mainline so I'd assume most android kernels to not have it yet | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | you can run 64-bit chroot if you truly want | 18:55 |
| javispedro | hm | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | but i'm going to hang myself before i do libhybris from 64-bit to 32-bit bionic.. | 18:55 |
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| javispedro | I mean, 64 bit UEFI basically forces you to a 64 bit kernel, but 32-bit android forces you to a 32 bit userspace | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | bingo | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | it's really good advertisement on behalf of intel, even i was fooled by it | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | they advertised 64-bit kernel | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | .. it WAS 64-bit kernel | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:57 |
| javispedro | :) | 18:57 |
| javispedro | x32_64 arch! | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | don't even start.. :P | 18:57 |
| javispedro | ah, the wonderful world of x86 | 18:58 |
| javispedro | I feel at home already | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | they have.. aarch32 too | 18:58 |
| lpotter | how about a universal binary that runs on x32/x64/arm32/arm64? | 18:59 |
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| javispedro | x32/x32_64/x64/arm/aarch32/aarch64 | 18:59 |
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| kimmoli | ppc? | 19:00 |
| javispedro | how's the x86 android situation btw? it's a wasteland (everyone builds for arm only)? | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | decent | 19:01 |
| javispedro | interesting | 19:02 |
| javispedro | i guess they are actually selling a sizable number of x86 tablets | 19:02 |
| javispedro | who'd have known | 19:02 |
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| GreatEmerald | That first tablet stretch goal is odd. Looks like it's for using an SDXC card reader, but they go up to 2 TiB, not 128 GiB | 22:58 |
| FireFly | Might also be software limitations in play | 23:00 |
| GreatEmerald | What software limitations? Linux can read an exobyte if needed... | 23:01 |
| Morpog_PC | license costs | 23:01 |
| Morpog_PC | exFAT | 23:01 |
| GreatEmerald | Regular FAT goes more than 128 GiB too | 23:01 |
| salyavin | Since I have 128GB card in my phone I would of thought tablet could take it. | 23:02 |
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| Morpog_PC | big cards come preformated as exFAT nowadays | 23:02 |
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| GreatEmerald | Even so, anything over 32 GiB is preformatted with exFAT | 23:04 |
| salyavin | FAT32 has file size limitations that people putting large video files on their card run into. | 23:04 |
| Morpog_PC | that too | 23:04 |
| GreatEmerald | But again, 128 GiB and 2 TiB are no different | 23:04 |
| Morpog_PC | I guess they just made a quick search what big sizes are available now and wrote that as support | 23:05 |
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| GreatEmerald | Could be, but in that case it's another missed opportunity... | 23:06 |
| Morpog_PC | also it could be the manufacturers spec, sure it could work with more, but why should Jolla guarantee it if the manufacturer limits it in his spec? | 23:06 |
| GreatEmerald | 2 TiB is the SDXC spec, manufacturers cannot deviate from that | 23:06 |
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| jonwil | exFAT is a good example of why software patents are bad (and a good example of Microsoft bullying standards bodies to support their proprietary patented formats) | 23:26 |
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| M4rtinK | jonwil: thats a really good summary of the current situation :) | 23:31 |
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| salyavin | Yea they should come preformatted in some open filesystem and cameras and such should support that. Better and charper. | 23:50 |
| salyavin | Cheaper | 23:51 |
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