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| coderus | oh sure, forgot to ask, how much SIM costs just for Finland, and how much SIM costs with ability to call Russia | 03:25 |
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| pahartik | coderus: Pre-paid mobile network service is between 5 EUR and 20 EUR | 03:47 |
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| pahartik | coderus: Stored value probably has to be above 20 EUR to have international access | 03:50 |
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| pp_ | 3G and skype :-) | 05:03 |
| pp_ | (or whatnot) | 05:03 |
| pp_ | if you're not in the middle of nowhere prepaid data might even work for that | 05:04 |
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| coderus | pp_: hm yeah | 06:29 |
| coderus | all Finland covered with 3G/LTE? | 06:29 |
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| locusf | depends on the operator | 06:30 |
| TMavica | coderus: i need a unlimited data dim too | 06:31 |
| TMavica | sim | 06:31 |
| TMavica | do u know how much? | 06:31 |
| Ezko | i have one | 06:31 |
| coderus | TMavica: i just started asking about it :) | 06:31 |
| TMavica | LOL | 06:31 |
| coderus | locusf: any | 06:31 |
| Ezko | unlimited bandwith and data 3g | 06:32 |
| coderus | locusf: i just need sim for two weeks in finland :) | 06:32 |
| TMavica | me 2 | 06:32 |
| coderus | want full finland coverage | 06:32 |
| inz | coderus, no, all of finland is not covered (no matter which oper) | 06:32 |
| Ezko | not LTE | 06:32 |
| Ezko | 3g probably yes | 06:32 |
| coderus | to be able to go online from any part of finland (*except topmost north area) | 06:32 |
| TMavica | i just use to whatsapp, 3G is ok | 06:32 |
| Ezko | saunalahti prepaid is probably the easiest to find | 06:33 |
| coderus | 3G is ok too | 06:33 |
| coderus | just for maps | 06:33 |
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| suosaaski | 3G is probably not covered in all of finland, either. All operators have some spots that just don't have coverage | 06:34 |
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| TMavica | which operator you prefer to? | 06:34 |
| Teemu | map app for jolla with prefetchable maps would be good | 06:34 |
| suosaaski | It highly depends on where you are (which operator has the best coverage) | 06:35 |
| Ezko | elisa at least advertises as having the best coverage but i'm not sure about that | 06:35 |
| Ezko | saunalahti uses elisa network | 06:35 |
| TMavica | HEL, Rov | 06:35 |
| suosaaski | Everyone advertises that :) | 06:35 |
| Ezko | true | 06:35 |
| Teemu | elisa doesn't work here at my home | 06:36 |
| Teemu | i tried to tell them that yes i can see the mast from my roof over the trees, 1600m west of me, it _should_ damn work | 06:36 |
| suosaaski | These are just estimates, but for DNA: https://www.dna.fi/kuuluvuus-ja-peittoalueet - click on "DNA:n matkapuhelinverkon peittoalueet - Avaa kartta" | 06:36 |
| Teemu | they took in a fault ticket that resolved as "we took a look and everything is okay" | 06:37 |
| suosaaski | For Elisa/Saunalahti: http://elisa.fi/kuuluvuus/ | 06:37 |
| suosaaski | For Sonera: http://www.sonera.fi/etsi+apua+ja+tukea/verkkokartat/peittoaluekartta/ | 06:37 |
| Teemu | in here sonera works ok | 06:37 |
| Teemu | i already had plans to buy some directional antennas but changing the operator was enough | 06:38 |
| Teemu | also a lot easier | 06:38 |
| Ezko | i've never had any problems with elisa network, | 06:38 |
| Ezko | i don't leave further than about 50km from helsinki very often though | 06:39 |
| Ezko | but i sure have irced all the way from turku to helsinki! | 06:39 |
| Ezko | and tervakoski to vantaa | 06:39 |
| inz | I remember trying to IRC from Tampere to Helsinki on Nokia 9000 over data call | 06:40 |
| Ezko | and porvoo to helsinki | 06:40 |
| inz | It always dropped in Toijala | 06:40 |
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| Teemu | Ezko: elisa and dna have coverage lossess in kattilajärvi, nuuksio and jokikunta, vihti as well as bengtsårin leirisaari, hanko | 06:41 |
| Teemu | they just act like it is completely okay that their mast has no coverage in sight view and the competitor from further away works normally | 06:42 |
| Ezko | hmm | 06:46 |
| Ezko | ok | 06:46 |
| Ezko | when i take a train to helsinki my desire z at least used to drop connection between koivukylä and hiekkaharju and again between hiekkaharju and tikkurila | 06:46 |
| Teemu | btw anybody with usb serial port adapter to lend for today in otaniemi? | 06:47 |
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| Tofe | did someone here ever try to have mms with the french sfr operator? | 07:02 |
| pp_ | in .fi it really depends on where you are staying (in addition to price), for urban areas in the south (and here in Oulu) DNA is a winner in speed | 07:05 |
| pp_ | in say rovaniemi it's not that good :-) | 07:05 |
| pp_ | (of course works but 2G is what you may get) | 07:06 |
| Ezko | well if he wants the best coverage available there should be only 1 answer | 07:07 |
| Ezko | and the only requirement is that 3g works | 07:07 |
| Teemu | for navigational purposes a prefetching map app is hard to beat | 07:07 |
| Teemu | annoying to drive when you know where you are but are lacking the map around it | 07:07 |
| pp_ | if you know where you'll be going https://www.netradar.org/fi | 07:08 |
| coderus | Ok i will download maps before | 07:08 |
| coderus | what you suggest, OSM? | 07:08 |
| Teemu | not the faintest idea | 07:08 |
| pp_ | nokia here maps for android! | 07:08 |
| Teemu | if anyone has suggestions, please hilight me so i'll get to read them | 07:09 |
| pp_ | (works like a champ on jolla) | 07:09 |
| Teemu | oh okay | 07:09 |
| Ezko | i think i've used a navigator once when not at work | 07:09 |
| coderus | well, from netradar i see there are no "no coverage" area | 07:09 |
| coderus | and in any irea i can reach at least 2g? | 07:09 |
| coderus | area* | 07:09 |
| Teemu | Ezko: coderus plans to have a finland roundtrip drive in välipäivät | 07:09 |
| pp_ | (ok, gps fix sometimes takes some time) | 07:09 |
| Ezko | oh | 07:09 |
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| Teemu | coderus: there are places where data does not flow, hence i recommend full map prefetch :) | 07:10 |
| coderus | so, here maps is better in fi than osm? | 07:11 |
| coderus | google maps? | 07:11 |
| Teemu | dunno about osm | 07:11 |
| suosaaski | here maps is ok | 07:11 |
| Teemu | google maps to my knowledge doesn't prefetch | 07:11 |
| pp_ | osm is ok, but they've spend billions on here maps so it must be good :P | 07:11 |
| Tofe | here maps never deceived me in fi | 07:11 |
| pp_ | (get both, they're free) | 07:11 |
| coderus | ah dumb me | 07:12 |
| coderus | its finland | 07:12 |
| coderus | dinland = nokia | 07:12 |
| coderus | nikia = here maps | 07:12 |
| coderus | nokia* | 07:12 |
| Teemu | is here maps ovi maps ie vanteq? | 07:12 |
| Teemu | jkh | 07:12 |
| Tofe | finland, finland, finland | 07:12 |
| coderus | so here maps is best in fi :D | 07:12 |
| Teemu | navteq | 07:12 |
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| coderus | yeah :D | 07:13 |
| suosaaski | Anyone running here maps on their jolla? | 07:13 |
| coderus | suosaaski: everybody? | 07:13 |
| Teemu | suosaaski: pp_ indicated something like that | 07:13 |
| Ezko | i have one that says "kartat" | 07:14 |
| Ezko | i don't use it though :P | 07:14 |
| pp_ | I've used it to get around to new places a few times | 07:14 |
| Teemu | Ezko: on your yola? (i like how marc pronounces jolla) | 07:15 |
| Ezko | yeah | 07:17 |
| Teemu | where did you get the kartat one? :) | 07:18 |
| Ezko | from jolla store | 07:18 |
| Teemu | and is here maps what used to be ovi maps? | 07:18 |
| Ezko | apparently | 07:18 |
| Teemu | that sucked on s60 and was uhh not so good on n900? | 07:18 |
| Ezko | bah whatever, i have the "stock" jolla maps thing :P | 07:19 |
| Ezko | i don't really need it so i don't care :P | 07:19 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning | 07:32 |
| Jope | moi | 07:32 |
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| nander | Did mitakuuluu get caught again? | 07:54 |
| nander | The client says authentication failed | 07:54 |
| Nicd- | nander: mitäkuuluu clients are continually getting banned | 07:55 |
| Nicd- | if you use mitäkuuluu, you will probably be banned at some point | 07:55 |
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| stephg | ningles! | 08:21 |
| entil | nander: for me it said "blocked" but they could have downright removed you. did you try registering again? esp. with the android client? | 08:22 |
| coderus | Nicd-: try http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1448802&postcount=1782 | 08:23 |
| coderus | nander: ^ | 08:23 |
| coderus | ignore mitakuuluu conf info, its wrong | 08:23 |
| coderus | just get password with android and set it with dconf | 08:23 |
| Nicd- | coderus: I'm not banned (yet) | 08:24 |
| Nicd- | and my mitäkuuluu is working fine currently | 08:24 |
| Nicd- | should I still do that? | 08:24 |
| coderus | Nicd-: yep it just wrong Tab mentioning | 08:24 |
| coderus | i mean nander | 08:24 |
| nander | I wanted to be sure before I tried anything | 08:24 |
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| Teemu | what's the thing with whatsapp? what is it? why should i care? except their founder gave my favourite software a million | 09:02 |
| phdeswer | Teemu: some "I will read what you send and keep data on you" replacement for sms | 09:03 |
| tadzik | there are apparently countries in the world that have data plans cheaper than text messages | 09:04 |
| tadzik | like, most of them | 09:04 |
| tadzik | which to me sounds absurd :) | 09:04 |
| tadzik | but most people I know that use whatsapp use it because it's "free sms" | 09:05 |
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| Iltsu | but they are implementing end-to-end encryption to whatsapp | 09:05 |
| Warnaud | :| | 09:06 |
| * tbr suspects hangouts is going to eat that cake soon, they already have contact integration that makes it easy to by default send messages over hangouts instead of text | 09:06 | |
| Iltsu | I think it is already on Android version | 09:06 |
| Ezko | tadzik: i have unlimited data | 09:07 |
| phdeswer | tadzik: actually that is changing. Read something a few days ago sms is making a comeback (in .nl at least) due to operators offering packages with virtually unlimited smses these days (I would not know how to use up 350 sms-es a day, not even in a month) | 09:08 |
| tadzik | Ezko: I usually buy a 25 MB data plan, except for the months when I don't buy any :) | 09:08 |
| Teemu | typing on mobile devices suck | 09:08 |
| tadzik | phdeswer: I get 1000 free smses for every ~7€ charge on my prepaid, and after that they cost something like 1 euro cent | 09:08 |
| pdanek | Teemu: tohkbd! | 09:08 |
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| Teemu | i'd go for some instant massager that allows me to continue where i left off with whichever device i started with | 09:08 |
| Teemu | hangouts does that | 09:08 |
| tadzik | phdeswer: so there is absolutely no reason to use anything else | 09:09 |
| Teemu | dunno about whatsthatthingagain | 09:09 |
| Ezko | tadzik: i think april or march i used 25 gb of mobile data | 09:09 |
| phdeswer | tabasko: Indeed :) | 09:09 |
| SK_work | phdeswer: in fr it is the same: unlimited SMS is the norm, so most people use them | 09:09 |
| SK_work | but if you want to talk to friend in other countries | 09:09 |
| tadzik | Ezko: heh, with a Jolla I'm not surprised :D | 09:09 |
| tadzik | this beast eats data like crazy | 09:09 |
| Teemu | sms is bad for me since when i'm on my computer i'd actually rather use the damn keybored | 09:09 |
| Ezko | tadzik: that was before i had jolla | 09:09 |
| tadzik | ha, I see | 09:09 |
| tadzik | different usage, I guess | 09:09 |
| pdanek | I use Jolla for tethering every day, so several gigabytes per month is normal. | 09:09 |
| Teemu | pdanek: yes it helps but when i'm sitting at a computer, i've got a better keybored in front of me and i'd still rather use that | 09:09 |
| Ezko | most probably on my tablet | 09:10 |
| Ezko | watching youtube and netflix | 09:10 |
| tadzik | right | 09:10 |
| pdanek | Teemu: Agree. | 09:10 |
| Ezko | and i paid the same as i paid this month, 15e | 09:10 |
| tadzik | I only read email and navigate to places sometimes | 09:10 |
| Ezko | or 14, not really sure | 09:10 |
| pdanek | Teemu: that's why I take my ThinkPad everywhere, instead of tablet :D | 09:10 |
| tadzik | heh, ThinkPads are the new iPhones :P | 09:11 |
| pdanek | Teemu: 30 min in a public transport? time to take out my thinkpad | 09:11 |
| tadzik | or the old iPhones | 09:11 |
| Teemu | anyhoo i'd like to be able to continue the conversations on any device that's mine | 09:11 |
| pdanek | what do you mean? | 09:11 |
| tadzik | pdanek: you don't say "my laptop", you say "my ThinkPad" | 09:11 |
| Teemu | laptop, desktop, phone, whatever | 09:11 |
| Ezko | i use whatsapp because my friends and family use it | 09:11 |
| Teemu | Ezko: that's a perfectly valid reason | 09:11 |
| pdanek | :D | 09:11 |
| Teemu | similar to why it was beneficial in the late 1990s to use messenger as girls tended to use that instead of irc | 09:12 |
| Ezko | it's a long shot trying to get everyone to use the same service | 09:12 |
| tadzik | it's like with arch linux | 09:12 |
| Ezko | i'd just use irc with everyone but not everyone uses it | 09:12 |
| Teemu | so you could choose either trying to convince a girl to learn some annoying hard stuff just to chat with you (not likely) or just start chatting with her | 09:12 |
| Warnaud | yeah lazyness ++ | 09:13 |
| tadzik | or opt for those who do use irc | 09:13 |
| tadzik | they're a nice bunch, I tell ye | 09:13 |
| tuomasjj1asanen | +1 | 09:13 |
| Ezko | yeah, tell people that i'm not gonna be in contact with them anymore unless they start using irc | 09:14 |
| Ezko | sounds good man | 09:14 |
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| tadzik | that's what they say :D | 09:14 |
| pdanek | if you want to make new contacts, it's not gonna work | 09:14 |
| tadzik | works for them, eh? | 09:14 |
| coderus | can you please check how much costs send Jolla from finland to russia via DHL? | 09:23 |
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| MSameer | TemeV: some places still sell tap water in helsinki | 09:25 |
| MSameer | at least a restaurant charged me and my wife 40 cents per person | 09:25 |
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| kimmoli | coderus: 137€ + taxes | 09:26 |
| kimmoli | if shipped today, delivered by 1st Dec | 09:27 |
| kimmoli | insurance +10€ | 09:28 |
| pdanek | what? | 09:31 |
| pdanek | 137 eur for shipping? | 09:31 |
| pdanek | no way | 09:31 |
| pp_ | dhl is not very finnish :-) | 09:32 |
| Armadillo | are you shipping an elephant? :D | 09:32 |
| coderus | O_- | 09:32 |
| meklu | :o | 09:32 |
| meklu | I bet you could bribe some trucker to deliver that for the price of a bottle of vodka | 09:32 |
| meklu | :) | 09:32 |
| pp_ | apparently how it often works is that people ship stuff to lappeenranta and then some random dude picks it up and takes if over the border :-) | 09:34 |
| pp_ | (returned an amazon.de order that way, got my money back :-) ) | 09:34 |
| kimmoli | coderus: why to ship it there? | 09:34 |
| flux | I must be missing something. maybe coderus wants one?-) | 09:37 |
| flux | (well, another) | 09:37 |
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| Armadillo | shipping with the finnish post (I assume there also is something liek that in Finland :D) or Fedex should be much cheaper | 09:38 |
| flux | maybe they are not as trustworthy in russia | 09:38 |
| flux | but, clearly 140 EUR for s/h is insane. | 09:38 |
| Armadillo | yes | 09:39 |
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| kimmoli | finnish post doesnt ship batteries | 09:41 |
| kimmoli | or equioments with batteries | 09:41 |
| Nicd- | unless you don't tell them what's in it | 09:41 |
| kimmoli | but afaik that is only for flight. roadtransports are ok. | 09:42 |
| Acce | shipping from finland costs >> shipping to finland costs | 09:43 |
| meklu | I ordered from the Jolla store and it went through the mail here | 09:43 |
| meklu | *shrug* | 09:43 |
| kimmoli | sending single toh without tracking is not so bad. europe 1,50€ | 09:44 |
| kimmoli | inside finland 1€ | 09:44 |
| inz | that's quite reasonable | 09:44 |
| HtheB | kimmoli | 09:45 |
| kimmoli | with tracking, about 8€ | 09:45 |
| kimmoli | or more | 09:45 |
| kimmoli | HtheB | 09:45 |
| HtheB | meow :3 | 09:46 |
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| kimmoli | uhm, ok. i go for lunch now. bbl | 09:48 |
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| ln- | Nicd-: they will x-ray shipments meant for flight. | 09:49 |
| coderus | no PayPal for shop.jolla.ru ?.. | 09:50 |
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| HtheB | coderus: why did they actually need a whole top level domain in the first place anyway? | 09:54 |
| tbr | they bought .jolla? | 09:55 |
| coderus | HtheB: because russian customers private data should be stored at servers placed in russia :D | 09:55 |
| HtheB | :D | 09:55 |
| Nicd- | HtheB: jolla.ru is not a top level domain | 09:55 |
| HtheB | .ru < | 09:56 |
| Nicd- | I don't think they own .ru :P | 09:56 |
| HtheB | Nicd-: you understand what I mean :p | 09:56 |
| Nicd- | but having your own domain for a bunch of ccTLDs is standard practice, even if just for preventing someone else from getting it and putting in confusing/scammy content | 09:57 |
| tbr | that's not an excuse for being grossly wrong | 09:57 |
| HtheB | true | 09:57 |
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| HtheB | but where are the other TLD's? like Jolla.nl Jolla.be Jolla.de Jolla.fr | 09:57 |
| HtheB | Jolla.it :D | 09:58 |
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| HtheB | they are all parked | 09:58 |
| TMavica_Jolla | coderus: still planning..? | 09:58 |
| coderus | TMavica_Jolla: ? | 09:58 |
| Nicd- | also one reason I can think of is that in some places a .com is accepted and trusted but some places want a country domain | 09:58 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | coderus: sell you VIP Jolla | 09:59 |
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| coderus | TMavica_Jolla: ?? | 10:00 |
| TMavica_Jolla | u need 1 more Jolla? | 10:00 |
| coderus | TMavica_Jolla: for my gf | 10:01 |
| TMavica_Jolla | i got a extra vip Jolla, i can bring to finland and sell u | 10:01 |
| Armadillo | at least jolla.de is not available :P | 10:01 |
| HtheB | Armadillo: all country tld's are gone | 10:03 |
| Armadillo | all? | 10:03 |
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| Nicd- | nope, jolla.ax is available | 10:03 |
| Armadillo | there are very much ;D | 10:03 |
| coderus | TMavica_Jolla: i need it now :D | 10:04 |
| HtheB | Armadillo: yes | 10:04 |
| TMavica_Jolla | cant help u then, lol | 10:05 |
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| coderus | TMavica_Jolla: what the price of your vip pack? | 10:05 |
| tbr | anyone up for a short url service and buying jolla.to? ;) | 10:05 |
| TMavica_Jolla | 2888 HKD | 10:05 |
| coderus | in euro? | 10:05 |
| TMavica_Jolla | should be 280 euro | 10:05 |
| coderus | hm | 10:05 |
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| Armadillo | tbr 60€ ^^ | 10:06 |
| Armadillo | .to is expensive | 10:06 |
| tbr | Armadillo: "expensive" | 10:06 |
| Armadillo | well in a relitave manner, sure ;) | 10:06 |
| tbr | wasn't there something like .rich? ;) | 10:06 |
| stephg | didn't find to that expensive last time I had to register a .to domain | 10:06 |
| Kiranos | any news on the new phone ( :O ) firmware? its been ages | 10:06 |
| stephg | was like a hundred bucks a year | 10:06 |
| Armadillo | tbr yes | 10:06 |
| stephg | (and this was a 3 letter domain) | 10:06 |
| Armadillo | jolla.rocks :D | 10:07 |
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| HtheB | jolla.rocks :P | 10:08 |
| HtheB | jolla.xxx :p | 10:08 |
| lainwir3d | jolla.whiskyonrocks | 10:08 |
| Armadillo | there are so many bullshit top level domains available since the last year... | 10:08 |
| HtheB | jolla.gent | 10:08 |
| HtheB | since today available :P | 10:08 |
| tadzik | http://bad.solutions | 10:08 |
| lainwir3d | hahaha | 10:08 |
| Armadillo | hahaha | 10:08 |
| HtheB | oracle :D | 10:08 |
| Armadillo | this fits them very well :D | 10:09 |
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| HtheB | why the hell do they buy such a link!? | 10:09 |
| HtheB | domain * | 10:09 |
| lainwir3d | I don't think oracle bought it :P | 10:10 |
| ln- | not them, someone else | 10:10 |
| Armadillo | because it's funny | 10:10 |
| lainwir3d | someone else probably did | 10:10 |
| Armadillo | ^^ | 10:10 |
| lainwir3d | hehe | 10:10 |
| kapinter | Hi! How to prevent screen dim in an application without using dbus? (harbour doesn't accept dbus usage) | 10:10 |
| meklu | fork + exec with dbus-send? ;) | 10:10 |
| kimmoli | accepts, code it in c, or embed it in your package | 10:11 |
| kapinter | its a bit wtf, so if I code it in c++ its fine, but in qml not?! | 10:11 |
| HtheB | brb! | 10:11 |
| SK_work | kapinter: harbour don't accept dbus usage ? | 10:12 |
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| kapinter | SK_work: https://harbour.jolla.com/faq -> QML API | 10:15 |
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| coderus | kapinter: harbour won't allow app using screen dim prevent afaik. no difference how you implement it. | 10:17 |
| coderus | just afaik, can be wrong | 10:18 |
| SK_work | Hartzi: use the C++ API | 10:18 |
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| kapinter | coderus: so you can't implement a video player? or any app which doesn't require touching the screen every 15sec? | 10:19 |
| Hartzi | SK_work: w000t? | 10:20 |
| SK_work | Hartzi: ? | 10:20 |
| Hartzi | <12:18:36> < SK_work> Hartzi: use the C++ API | 10:20 |
| Hartzi | :P | 10:20 |
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| locusf | kapinter: https://github.com/tworaz/sailfish-ytplayer/blob/master/src/NativeUtil.cpp#L183 | 10:22 |
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| Nicd- | hmm, but ytplayer is in store | 10:23 |
| locusf | yup | 10:24 |
| kimmoli | afaik you can do that if you have good reasons. | 10:24 |
| kimmoli | watching a video is one | 10:24 |
| kapinter | locusf: thanks! :-) | 10:24 |
| kimmoli | propably simple-memo with screen-blank-prevention gets rejected | 10:24 |
| coderus | yeah, seems "good reason" is a good reason for allowing it :) | 10:24 |
| kimmoli | :) | 10:25 |
| kapinter | is there a way to detect an incoming phone call so I can pause the application? | 10:25 |
| kimmoli | listen dbus... | 10:25 |
| coderus | kapinter: check dbus-monitor | 10:26 |
| kimmoli | i use "com.nokia.mce.signal", "sig_call_state_ind" | 10:26 |
| kapinter | kimmoli: thanks, I will check it. :-) | 10:28 |
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| kimmoli | but if you need pause whenever your app goes to out-of-focus, check ApplicationWindow/onApplicationActiveChanged | 10:29 |
| kapinter | kimmoli: that's probably better, I guess it goes out of focus during an incoming phone call, doesn't it? | 10:31 |
| kimmoli | afaik | 10:32 |
| kimmoli | but then ir doesnt work on cover.. | 10:32 |
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| kapinter | ir? | 10:33 |
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| meklu | s/ir/it/ probably | 10:33 |
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| kimmoli | regexp is valid | 10:34 |
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| kapinter | kimmoli: true, true, it should work there too... | 10:37 |
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| kimmoli | so then pause from dbus incoming call, that also indicates when call is terminated, so you can continue | 10:40 |
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| coderus | just use onApplicationActiveChanged | 10:43 |
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| anYc | Does anyone have experience with a warranty return of the jolla and could tell me how long it took to repair the device? If it takes 5 days again just for shipping, I guess I can feel lucky if I get it back in two weeks :/ | 10:46 |
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| anYc | and fedex just locked my new account because I don't have a customer number yet - suprise! | 10:47 |
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| HtheB | anYc: I shipped my phone to Jolla 2 times, and it took me like 3-4 days when the device came back.. | 10:47 |
| HtheB | repaired | 10:47 |
| Armadillo | it took 4 days from Germany to send, replace, send back | 10:48 |
| Armadillo | which is quite fast | 10:48 |
| anYc | Armadillo: oh, that sounds great. the initial shipping took 5 days in my case to Karlsruhe | 10:48 |
| chem|st | anYc: fedex lost my device on the way back, and magically it returned to me weeks later | 10:48 |
| anYc | that sounds not great :) | 10:49 |
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| chem|st | anYc: another one's device took a HK detour | 10:49 |
| Armadillo | well that can happen with every package | 10:49 |
| chem|st | Armadillo: I have never heard that many stories about shipping fails than with jolla+fedex, and I worked for a shipping company | 10:49 |
| Armadillo | :D | 10:50 |
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| Armadillo | I know some german budget shipping companies where I also had many problems | 10:50 |
| Armadillo | although not all of them related to missed packages | 10:50 |
| tbr | "hermes"? | 10:51 |
| Armadillo | haha yes :D | 10:51 |
| chem|st | well, dhl delivered a package to me, to a wrong address, actually it was dropped off at the local dhl holding... | 10:51 |
| HtheB | Why do I keep thinking of to this when I hear Armadillo? | 10:52 |
| HtheB | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCowrXGwdjs | 10:52 |
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| HtheB | (Holiday Armadillo) | 10:52 |
| Armadillo | lol :) | 10:52 |
| anYc | when I lived in a student hostel, some just left the packages in the entrance of the house... | 10:52 |
| HtheB | wtf lol | 10:53 |
| Armadillo | Hermes left one package on our garbage cans completely open near the street | 10:53 |
| Armadillo | additionally it was a rainy day... | 10:53 |
| HtheB | I had once that the guy just throwed in my backyard | 10:53 |
| HtheB | the package | 10:54 |
| anYc | lol, not bad either | 10:54 |
| Armadillo | and a UPS guy dropped the new laptop of my girl friend to the street oin front of us :D | 10:55 |
| Armadillo | luckily only the packaging was broken | 10:55 |
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| leinir | my printer was put down so hard it knocked the feeder tray out of the socket... royal mail my backside :P | 11:04 |
| leinir | ...actually no, don't royal mail my backside, i don't like getting spanked :P | 11:05 |
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| HtheB | Stskeeps hi | 11:24 |
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| * SpeedEvil imagines leinirs 'letterbox' and shudders. | 12:24 | |
| leinir | SpeedEvil: that was through my front door... rather than hand the parcel over to me, he just thumped it down on the floor | 12:25 |
| leinir | at least i could force it back in, but yeah, really not happy with that... never use royal mail if you have anything that can break :P | 12:25 |
| leinir | pretty sure the water bath that came at the same time only survived because it was wrapped in loads of styrofoam, that one got the same treatment | 12:26 |
| * tbr notes to use extra packaging if he ever sends something to the UK | 12:27 | |
| leinir | good call | 12:28 |
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| pp_ | they're known as "parcelfarce" :-) | 12:28 |
| leinir | pp_: different company | 12:29 |
| pp_ | ah | 12:29 |
| leinir | this was royal fail ;) | 12:29 |
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| * Nav knows an ISP that once had a server called parcelfarce | 12:36 | |
| Nav | It was the second to be delivered. The firs one was returned as it arrived with a fork truck sized hole right through it. | 12:36 |
| pp_ | still parcelfarce.linux.org.uk?-) | 12:36 |
| pp_ | (probably replaced by now) | 12:36 |
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| Nav | I suspect its LONG gone now | 12:37 |
| meklu | that name still resolves, pp_ | 12:37 |
| Nav | It won't be the original hardware | 12:37 |
| Nav | It may not even still be in the same DC (given its changed hands a number of times since those days) | 12:38 |
| meklu | the rdns is zeniv.linux.org.uk though | 12:38 |
| pp_ | I used to have an account there :-) | 12:38 |
| Nav | Nice to see that the name lives on though! | 12:38 |
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| arturo182 | except yeah, I just remembered, I ahve to reconfigure the kernel config | 12:58 |
| arturo182 | but it all built, so yay | 12:59 |
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| SK_work | PSA: Sailfish OS collaboration meeting in 10 min on #mer-meeting | 14:49 |
| coderus | How long 250 euro price will be valid? | 14:49 |
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| VDVsx | tonight or tomorrow night, think I saw it somewhere | 14:58 |
| coderus | ah yes | 15:00 |
| coderus | small text | 15:00 |
| coderus | i see t now :D | 15:00 |
| SK_work | coderus: thansk for the tweet | 15:01 |
| SK_work | (reminder tweet for 250€) | 15:02 |
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| coderus | yeah | 15:03 |
| coderus | thanks for retweet | 15:03 |
| coderus | (reminder retweet for €250) | 15:03 |
| SK_work | yep | 15:04 |
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| coderus | The most wanted feature in Jolla Tablet i need one-click-pairing with Jolla Phone to use cellular network from phone :D | 15:30 |
| Warnaud | *one-touch-pairing | 15:32 |
| Warnaud | might be possible with NFC? | 15:32 |
| ggabriel | bark+pairing | 15:32 |
| Warnaud | :D | 15:32 |
| flux | simply make it so that the tablet is a TOH of Jolla | 15:33 |
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| coderus | Warnaud: no nfc for pairing in phone | 15:34 |
| coderus | i expect some account-side sync over internet | 15:35 |
| javispedro | bluetooooooooooooooooooooth | 15:36 |
| flux | if it happens, I hope it will be secure-by-design, instead of needing to rely on Jolla servers for the security :-o | 15:36 |
| coderus | so just Pairing - My devices - Jolla phone - Add to favorites, then Pairing - Jolla Phone and it will start sharing on Phone and connect Tablet to it :) | 15:36 |
| coderus | javispedro: nobody have bluetooth turned on and available for pairing :D | 15:36 |
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| flux | doing bluetooth pairing over the internet would be a nice feature indeed ;-) | 15:36 |
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| javispedro | meh, it is so nice | 15:43 |
| javispedro | proximity detection, etc. | 15:43 |
| javispedro | and pairing over the internet is not new (apple does it) | 15:44 |
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| flux | not new? then obviously not worth doing :( | 15:47 |
| javispedro | one of the benefits of opensource is that you can be the first one to do it OPENLY! | 15:48 |
| javispedro | (possibly one of the main driving forces of OSS :) ) | 15:48 |
| coderus | javispedro: yep ios and wp already doing it, and it's a nice feature :D | 15:55 |
| coderus | ok, Sailors, please tell me is device bought in europe can be send to warranty repair in russia? | 15:56 |
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| anYc | hmpf, "Estimated delivery: Fri 11/28/2014 by 6:00 pm". looks like I have to get comfortable on my n900 again :/ | 16:59 |
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| ilpianista | any idea on who to contact to change the shipping address for the Other Half Aloe cover promised with the coupon code? | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | care probably | 17:14 |
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| cybette | ilpianista: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new | 17:36 |
| ilpianista | cybette: thanks | 17:36 |
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| * Stskeeps looks at http://kellblog.com/2014/11/18/it-aint-easy-making-money-in-open-source-thoughts-on-the-hortonworks-s-1/ | 18:23 | |
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| coderus | airbnb is better place to find room for a rent in finland? | 18:41 |
| raa700_ | well, it's probably the most known | 18:42 |
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| coderus | there is fee for airbnb services | 18:45 |
| coderus | can you tell me some other places? | 18:46 |
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| coderus | also can you please look at: https://www.airbnb.ru/rooms/1965929?checkin=29.12.2014&checkout=04.01.2015&guests=2 | 18:48 |
| coderus | is it good to live here? | 18:48 |
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| raa700_ | that doesnt seem too bad, bus route to centrum is near | 18:57 |
| coderus | btw, how much bus costs? | 18:58 |
| raa700_ | https://www.hsl.fi/en | 18:59 |
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| japa-fi | Most likely you would take local bus to train station and from there to downtown. | 19:01 |
| coderus | https://www.hsl.fi/en/tickets-and-fares nice | 19:02 |
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| japa-fi | coderus my questimate on possible time tables (I estimated the start point from the map) to down town helsinki | 19:04 |
| japa-fi | http://www.reittiopas.fi/ru/index.php?showsearchformsaved=hide&from_in=Siltakyl%C3%A4nkuja+4%2C+Helsinki&from=address*Siltakyl%C3%A4nkuja+4%2C+Helsinki*2554765.46*6684610.08&via_in=&via=&via_time=0&to_in=Lasipalatsi%2C+Helsinki&to=stop*Lasipalatsi%2C+Helsinki*2552253*6673561&toSelect=stop*Lasipalatsi%2C+Helsinki*2552253*6673561&hour=08&minute=01&timetype=departure&date_cb=tomorrow&day=26&month=11&year=2014&cmargin=3&wspeed=70&me | 19:04 |
| japa-fi | thod=1&stz=0&mc1=0&mc2=0&mc3=0&mc4=0&mc5=0&mc6=0&mc0=1&nroutes=3&gotoHash=# | 19:04 |
| japa-fi | darn, need tinyurl | 19:04 |
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| japa-fi | http://tinyurl.com/kdb2wpv | 19:04 |
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| japa-fi | just put on the times (and weekday/dates) you think you'd be there to see how easy it would be to get aroung | 19:06 |
| raa700_ | bus 70V goes directly to same railwaystation you end up if you change to train =) | 19:08 |
| raa700_ | and I think it's faster | 19:08 |
| japa-fi | journey planner finds the fastest routes | 19:09 |
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| japa-fi | I tried some google street view from the area but could not find the house... | 19:10 |
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| raa700_ | oh yeah, bus takes 31mins, changing to train you save ~minute | 19:14 |
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| swift110_ | hmm | 19:15 |
| coderus | japa-fi: http://goo.gl/lbLafi | 19:16 |
| coderus | so it's okay to go to center 40 minutes? | 19:16 |
| swift110_ | so anybody have any apps for sailfish | 19:17 |
| raa700_ | store and warehouse doesnt have any? | 19:18 |
| japa-fi | coderus: Oh, you found it! I almost googled by (remember the moped in the pics) | 19:18 |
| swift110_ | i dont know how to go about looking at them | 19:19 |
| japa-fi | 40 minutes.. IMO not that bad. | 19:19 |
| swift110_ | I downloaded the sdk hoping to locate something inside that i can run in virtualbox | 19:19 |
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| ln- | is the author of Sail Raid here? | 19:21 |
| coderus | japa-fi: also bus and train working at night? | 19:22 |
| coderus | and 31Dec - 01Jan | 19:22 |
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| japa-fi | coderus, yes, DOn't recall how late but would say yes | 19:27 |
| coderus | how about espoo? | 19:28 |
| japa-fi | same applies | 19:28 |
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| japa-fi | Last new years, trains went trough the night | 19:29 |
| japa-fi | at least once an hour up to 5 am | 19:29 |
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| japa-fi | (5 am at 1.1.) | 19:29 |
| coderus | nice :) | 19:30 |
| coderus | ah | 19:30 |
| japa-fi | also extra buses. | 19:30 |
| coderus | about cards for bus/train | 19:30 |
| japa-fi | basically friday timetables + some extra | 19:30 |
| japa-fi | Same ticket is valid for bot | 19:30 |
| japa-fi | both | 19:30 |
| coderus | i can buy 7day card and travel with no retrictions? | 19:31 |
| coderus | restrictions* | 19:32 |
| raa700_ | as long as it says hsl/hkl on the side of transportation device | 19:33 |
| swift110_ | thanks for the help guys | 19:33 |
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| coderus | raa700_: so only inside helsinki? | 19:34 |
| coderus | same card not valid in tampere? | 19:34 |
| Shinryuu | I believe it's Helsinki only | 19:34 |
| raa700_ | yeah helsinki only | 19:35 |
| coderus | okay | 19:35 |
| raa700_ | http://joukkoliikenne.tampere.fi/en/ | 19:35 |
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| coderus | thanks :) | 19:38 |
| coderus | uff | 19:38 |
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| coderus | it's enough for today, will ask more questions tomorrow :D | 19:39 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | sarcasm? | 19:39 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | :) | 19:39 |
| coderus | dr_gogeta86_joll: :D | 19:40 |
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| dr_gogeta86_joll | you ever did backport from sailfish to harmattan | 19:40 |
| coderus | sarcasm backport?? :D | 19:41 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | some guys asks for sailgrande on n9 | 19:41 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | not this time | 19:41 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | for real | 19:41 |
| coderus | what is sailgrande? | 19:42 |
| ln- | some instagram thingy or something? | 19:42 |
| coderus | ah yes | 19:42 |
| coderus | but i'm not using instagram :( | 19:42 |
| coderus | just opening some instagram photo from twitter :) | 19:42 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | uploading is in progress | 19:43 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | some problems with multipart http posts | 19:43 |
| coderus | what problems? | 19:43 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | fails give error | 19:43 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | need to get traffic from android client | 19:44 |
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| coderus | :) | 19:44 |
| SKyd3R | are there any app you miss on your Jolla? | 19:44 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | to me is just to learn how infrastrutture worls | 19:45 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | *worls | 19:45 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | *works | 19:45 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | SKyd3R: not in app but in features | 19:45 |
| SKyd3R | any example? | 19:45 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | push, twitter custom search ( now with closed apis tnx twitter ) | 19:46 |
| SKyd3R | I got really tired of android and I'm waiting my Jolla Mobile :) | 19:47 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | can't “officially” use sharing apis | 19:47 |
| SKyd3R | wonder if I'll find something disgusting | 19:47 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | getting tired from android is simple as power on | 19:47 |
| SKyd3R | haha | 19:47 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | i think for sure | 19:47 |
| coderus | i'm using a lot of android apps on my jolla | 19:47 |
| coderus | :) | 19:47 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | whatsapp as an example :-) | 19:48 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | coderus: you need to be proud of you | 19:48 |
| SKyd3R | I found a whatsapp app on the open repository, it isn't working anymore? | 19:48 |
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| SKyd3R | *isn't it | 19:48 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | coderus: did it | 19:49 |
| coderus | SKyd3R: it have many issues :) | 19:49 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | registration and login | 19:49 |
| dr_gogeta86_joll | for now | 19:49 |
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| SKyd3R | mmm | 19:50 |
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| SKyd3R | without whatsapp the phone lost a lot | 19:50 |
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| kimmoli | coderus: congrats | 19:50 |
| SKyd3R | is an app I really hate but everyone use | 19:50 |
| Mivalpuff | Isn't the SDK only for development, not for checking out the OS? swift110_ | 19:50 |
| coderus | Kiranos: thanks :) | 19:51 |
| coderus | kimmoli: help rent a room now :D | 19:51 |
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| swift110_ | Mivalpuff: i was told yesterday that if i got the sdk i would have access to an iso | 19:51 |
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| swift110_ | thats all im trying to do. I am not against building an app for it but i dont wanna get thrown into that immediately | 19:51 |
| salyavin | I need native weechat client instead of whatsapp ;) | 19:52 |
| coderus | swift110_: just emulator is x86, not ARM | 19:52 |
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| coderus | Kiranos: sorry, wrong mention | 19:54 |
| coderus | kimmoli: thanks you :D | 19:54 |
| Mivalpuff | swift110_: oh, cool :) | 19:58 |
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| swift110_ | CoderCandy: ok | 20:05 |
| swift110_ | im fine with an emulator but i dont understand the one for sailfish | 20:06 |
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| coderus | airbnb site: sorry, but your online account is not enough active for verification :D | 20:17 |
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| coderus | does anybody have airbnb copon? :) | 20:59 |
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| jojjoio | hi i need help with the app development... i'd like to use QtQuick.Dialogs but i only get the message that the module is not installed... i have no idea how to install this module.. | 21:01 |
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| coderus | jojjoio: use Silica please for developing user interfaces for SailfishOS applicatinos | 21:03 |
| coderus | https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/sailfish-silica-all.html | 21:03 |
| jojjoio | i need to select a picture from the gallery | 21:04 |
| jojjoio | so i think i cant do this with silica | 21:04 |
| coderus | you can do wahtever you want | 21:05 |
| coderus | you developer or not? :D | 21:05 |
| coderus | but there is no really ready to use component | 21:06 |
| coderus | develop your own with simple QDir | 21:06 |
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| jojjoio | I'm new in developing for sailfish os and i have some problems to find the right properties | 21:06 |
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| coderus | sailfish is just Qt5 with Silica QML components :) | 21:15 |
| jojjoio | so.. how can i realize it? | 21:16 |
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| coderus | use QDir for recursive search in directories and create interface with list for folders and files | 21:16 |
| coderus | pretty easy | 21:16 |
| jojjoio | i'd like to select a image and upload the selected image to a server (or sending to a php script) | 21:16 |
| jojjoio | ok | 21:17 |
| jojjoio | i'll check this out | 21:17 |
| jojjoio | thank you | 21:17 |
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| coderus | booked this room :D | 21:41 |
| coderus | https://www.airbnb.ru/rooms/3244886 | 21:41 |
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| SKyd3R | is that a sauna, coderus ? | 21:47 |
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| coderus | yep it have sauna also :) | 21:47 |
| SKyd3R | haha | 21:48 |
| sharpneli | Wtf. 15¤ per night? | 21:49 |
| coderus | :) | 21:49 |
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| Stskeeps | that smells like rats | 21:49 |
| jojjoio | :'-D | 21:49 |
| coderus | :D | 21:49 |
| coderus | comments are good, so :D | 21:49 |
| Acce | looks nice :) | 21:50 |
| Acce | even with rats | 21:50 |
| coderus | want to spend more time walking over helsinki than sitting at home anyway | 21:50 |
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| sharpneli | Ok wtf. It costs like 600¤ per month. And that comes at 20¤ per night | 21:50 |
| sharpneli | It's cheaper to rent it for shorter periods | 21:50 |
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| wazd | Oook, now that iPhone 6+ 128G will cost whooping 60k RUR in here 20K for Jolla stops to look that crazy | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | uhhuh | 21:55 |
| salyavin | iPhone is a fashion accesory so they can charge a lot. 128G card works fine in Jolla. | 21:56 |
| M4rtinK | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.U.R. ? | 21:56 |
| wazd | Russian rouble | 21:56 |
| SKyd3R | a Jolla mobile is quite expensive, I hope it worths the price | 21:56 |
| wazd | year ago you were able to buy an iMac for 60k afaik | 21:58 |
| salyavin | OS makes it worth it, you get alien dalvik to let you run some android software when Sailfish has no native app for what you want. | 21:58 |
| wazd | Any way I'm totally lost in mobile prices these days :D | 22:00 |
| javispedro | what, cheap hotels in .fi? | 22:09 |
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| coderus | holiday inn :D; | 22:10 |
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