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| tbr | good moaning | 06:47 |
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| lainwir3d | hi | 08:11 |
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| Laxtlo | hi | 08:14 |
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| Laxtlo | any rumours for coming updates ? | 08:15 |
| Nicd- | well we have the features for U10 already | 08:15 |
| tbr | Laxtlo: why resort to rumors if there is an official statement | 08:15 |
| Nicd- | but no ETA | 08:15 |
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| Laxtlo | aha | 08:16 |
| Laxtlo | just asking :) | 08:16 |
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| lainwir3d | so much tablet sold ! | 08:17 |
| Laxtlo | yeah cant wait to get mine | 08:17 |
| TemeV | Laxtlo: rumours are easy, you can just make one up. Repeat it a few times and it becomes "truth" | 08:17 |
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| Laxtlo | teme : true | 08:18 |
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| tbr | TemeV: is that what marketing tries with the whole "open source" story ;) | 08:19 |
| tbr | SCNR | 08:19 |
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| TemeV | well... It is kind of true. Some people don't consider drivers and ui part of the operating system, so that would make the os "fully open source" :) | 08:20 |
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| tbr | I'm not a fundamentalist, but what mktg thinks they can away with is surprising to say the least | 08:23 |
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| TemeV | yeah, but I also guess there is some communication issues between marketing and development that cause things like this | 08:27 |
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| entil | so my first attempts at textsecure leaked out yesterday when I pushed them on github | 08:36 |
| entil | https://github.com/BatrachianExcellenceInc/BatrachSecure/tree/master/src | 08:36 |
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| entil | it's not jolla yet, the api client quits the main app, but hey, at least it can send you your verification code from the shell ;) | 08:36 |
| entil | that is the wrong link, this is it: https://github.com/BatrachianExcellenceInc/BatrachSecure | 08:37 |
| Armadillo | und ist last minute für ende des monats oder? | 08:37 |
| Armadillo | wrong channel :D | 08:37 |
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| entil | ich habe keine Ahnung, aber jeden Monat muss ein lätzte Minut haben | 08:37 |
| entil | glaube ich | 08:37 |
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| Armadillo | lol | 08:39 |
| entil | eine? argh german's hard | 08:39 |
| entil | minute? fuck, I need to brush up on this | 08:40 |
| Armadillo | hehe | 08:40 |
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| Nc_ | entil, ignore grammar in German - makes things sooo much easier | 08:41 |
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| TemeV | German grammar is just purely evil | 08:42 |
| Nc_ | truth | 08:42 |
| Armadillo | well also finnish looks really hard^^ | 08:43 |
| entil | finnish is consistent | 08:43 |
| entil | german has exceptions to weak declinations of masculine nouns ;) | 08:43 |
| TemeV | Finnish is easy, even the kids around here can speak Finnish :) | 08:43 |
| entil | but imo german's not that bad, it's just that I'm forgetting how to speak it | 08:43 |
| Nc_ | in Finnish you need grammar - in German, it is just to eff with people's head | 08:43 |
| Armadillo | is like every other language, the more experience, the better | 08:44 |
| entil | just remember the dative prepositions and you have most of the hard stuff figured out | 08:45 |
| Armadillo | Nc_ not really^^ | 08:45 |
| entil | and the ones that take dative for movement and state transitions | 08:45 |
| TemeV | Finnish is just difficult, because it's completely different from every other langueage | 08:45 |
| entil | (correct me if I'm wrong, Armadillo, but in die Schule sein, in der Schule gehen) | 08:45 |
| entil | (an, auf, hinter, in, something, something else? :D) | 08:46 |
| Armadillo | entil in der Schule sein, in die Schule gehen | 08:46 |
| entil | Armadillo: sein is always dative? | 08:46 |
| Nc_ | Admittedly, I only have 7th-9th grade German, but it definitely seemed artificially complex compared to other Germanic languages, Armadillo :) | 08:46 |
| entil | TemeV: that might make it harder for someone else to wrap their brain around, but doesn't necessarily make it hard | 08:46 |
| entil | finns have a hard time wrapping their brains around eg. german, and even swedish, the toy prototype of germanic languages | 08:47 |
| TemeV | entil: my point exactly | 08:47 |
| Armadillo | entil I have to say, I'm really bad in the german grammar terms, I only know how to speak/write things correct ...mostly :) | 08:48 |
| ln- | TemeV: finnish is not completely different from every other language. | 08:48 |
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| Armadillo | Nc_ you're right, it is really complex | 08:48 |
| TemeV | ln-: yes, it's similar to Estonian | 08:49 |
| ln- | and others | 08:49 |
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| entil | Armadillo: I just remember that aus/bei/mit/nach/seit/von/zu is always dative and an/auf/hinter/in/maybe others depended, and I thought that it was movement and state transition, but maybe sein is exceptional enough that it's always a state, or something... | 08:49 |
| Nc_ | TemeV, thats ... not saying a lot, with only 900.000 Estonian-speakers | 08:49 |
| entil | Armadillo: in die Schule bleiben? | 08:49 |
| Armadillo | in der Schule bleiben :D | 08:50 |
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| TemeV | ln-: ok, it's completelty different from all the other languages that have significant amount of native speakers. Happy? :) | 08:50 |
| anYc | and if you're somewhere in germany, you have to learn the local dialect to understand the people ;) | 08:50 |
| entil | Armadillo: ok, screw this, I'll just read up on prepositions | 08:50 |
| Armadillo | entil hehe :d | 08:50 |
| Armadillo | :D | 08:50 |
| Nc_ | ln-, outside Finnish and Estonian, there are several other Finno-Uric/Uric languages, but those have very few surviving speakers left | 08:50 |
| entil | http://german.about.com/od/grammar/a/DualPrepositions.htm | 08:50 |
| entil | oh crap, I got the two mixed up :D | 08:51 |
| Armadillo | anYc correct, but this is not specific to Germany ;) | 08:51 |
| tbr | http://www.ling.helsinki.fi/~fkarlsso/genkau2.html - read and weep ;) | 08:53 |
| anYc | :) | 08:53 |
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| Armadillo | crazy shit | 08:54 |
| tbr | that one was a classic, this one is a bit more recent: http://annansofi.tumblr.com/image/94056645040 | 08:54 |
| entil | genkau2.html is bullshit of course | 08:55 |
| ernesti | unfortunatelly no | 08:55 |
| entil | you could do the same thing by listing prepositions and other "helpers" in any language, and a finn would be all like "crazy shit" | 08:55 |
| Jope | why is it bullshit | 08:55 |
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| Jope | sure the vast majority of those forms are too awkward to be used | 08:56 |
| tbr | entil: does that make _this_ bullshit? | 08:56 |
| entil | "you actually use separate words, words that you have to learn?!, to say 'in the house'? 'in the house', three words, really?" | 08:56 |
| Jope | or well .. perhaps 50%? | 08:56 |
| tbr | entil: welcome to the finnish language :) | 08:56 |
| * tbr <3 finnish | 08:56 | |
| Jope | entil, you have a nordic sounding name.. | 08:56 |
| tbr | it's a fun language to learn | 08:56 |
| Jope | entil, where are you from? | 08:56 |
| entil | maybe I'm too upset about this, but somehow it rubs me the wrong way to put finnish on some kind of pedestal of screwed-uppedness :P japanese has a lot of the same characteristics, go make fun of japanese :D | 08:57 |
| entil | Jope: helsinki (born kalmar, .se) | 08:57 |
| Jope | ok | 08:57 |
| entil | but that graph of words is perfect, love it <3 | 08:57 |
| Jope | thought you might have some actual knowledge of the language | 08:57 |
| entil | because some of the etymologies are just beautiful, like käydä and käytävä and how käytävä can be used differently | 08:58 |
| Jope | ah yes, the good old koulussa on käytävä | 08:58 |
| entil | yes | 08:58 |
| TemeV | Finnish is efficient language. Try to translate sentence "Lienee nukkuvinaan." to some other language :) | 08:58 |
| ernesti | :D | 08:58 |
| entil | haha | 08:58 |
| * Armadillo consults Google Translator :D | 08:58 | |
| TemeV | Something like "It looks like he or she is prenteding to be asleep" | 08:59 |
| entil | "probably pretending to sleep" is what google says | 08:59 |
| entil | imo nukkuvinaan sounds more like "to be asleep" as temev said | 08:59 |
| Jope | yeps | 08:59 |
| ernesti | i do prefer the latter | 08:59 |
| Jope | temev's is closer to what the sentence tries to convey | 09:00 |
| Naranek | what about just tietäisinköhän | 09:00 |
| ernesti | imo entils is | 09:00 |
| Nicd- | Naranek: "I wonder if I knew" | 09:01 |
| ernesti | more like i wonder if i know | 09:02 |
| Naranek | google translate just gives up :D | 09:02 |
| entil | Though the teaching had nothing to do with monkeys, the concept of the three monkeys originated from a simple play on words. The saying in Japanese is mizaru, kikazaru, iwazaru (見ざる, 聞かざる, 言わざる?) "don't see, don't hear, don't speak".[clarification needed] | 09:02 |
| entil | However, -zaru, an archaic negative verb conjugation, is pronounced the same as zaru, the vocalized form of saru (猿?), "monkey", so the saying can also be interpreted as the names of three monkeys. | 09:02 |
| entil | almost as cool as finnish :D | 09:02 |
| Jope | nice | 09:03 |
| Nicd- | I'm surprised no one has mentioned hääyöaieoionta yet | 09:04 |
| ernesti | lol | 09:05 |
| ln- | most consonants of that word were sold to czechoslovkia | 09:05 |
| entil | do the czechs pronounce them mainly as vowels, like poles do? | 09:06 |
| entil | like rz being an s-based sound | 09:06 |
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| Teemu | hääyöaieoionta is new to me | 09:08 |
| Teemu | anyhow mäyräkoira is already complex enough compound word for most foreigners and that's very commonly needed in normal social functions | 09:09 |
| * Nc_ is glad he chose Estonian, and not Finnish | 09:09 | |
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| Ezko | Teemu: i rarely buy those, i prefer salkku | 09:13 |
| Teemu | yes that's the modern way | 09:13 |
| entil | Nc_: you're learning estonian? | 09:14 |
| Nc_ | Married Estonian, so I'm sorta being force-fed the language ;) | 09:14 |
| entil | hehe | 09:14 |
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| Nc_ | my 5-yr old is better at it than me... and better and French than me .. and her English is coming along decently ... | 09:15 |
| Nc_ | *better at French | 09:16 |
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| entil | Nc_: I'd guess by your realname you're danish and not french, so ... where'd she pick up french? :D | 09:16 |
| Teemu | is she good at making smorgasbord? | 09:16 |
| Teemu | entil *5* | 09:17 |
| Nc_ | EU School is in french | 09:17 |
| entil | ah | 09:17 |
| entil | that helps :D | 09:17 |
| Teemu | fancypants school | 09:17 |
| Nc_ | Teemu, you misspelled "free" :) | 09:17 |
| Teemu | where? | 09:18 |
| Nc_ | Had a kids-party last week - they jumped between 3 languages like it was nothing ... | 09:18 |
| Nc_ | Is "free school", not "fancypants shcool" :p ... | 09:18 |
| Teemu | :) | 09:18 |
| entil | if I ever have kids and they don't speak five languages I'll disown them | 09:19 |
| Teemu | any school that aint the median school everybody goes is fancypants school | 09:19 |
| entil | unfortunately my swedish is rusting as well, but I guess speaking it to a child will bring it back as well | 09:19 |
| Nc_ | Teaching kids Swedish? thats just cruel | 09:19 |
| Teemu | make her learn martial arts or circus or something that'll give her both good physical strength and enough mental stance to tell people to fsck off if they start teasing her | 09:20 |
| Nc_ | Teemu, well, it is a bit fancy pants - half the kids there are from politicians' families | 09:20 |
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| entil | Nc_: it'd be the other home language and I'd put them in a swedish-speaking school | 09:20 |
| Nc_ | evil .... :) | 09:21 |
| Teemu | like, some kids tease her as she's in the fancypants school => she'll climb a street lamp asking for the other guys to repeat or shut the f up | 09:21 |
| entil | hehe | 09:21 |
| Nc_ | Teemu, I started the older girl's boxing-training when she was 6 :p ... If my health improves, hope to get into a gym nearby, to teach her kickboxing | 09:22 |
| Nc_ | -'s ... | 09:22 |
| ggabriel | entil: do programming languages count? :) | 09:22 |
| entil | ggabriel: not sure yet ;P | 09:22 |
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| entil | but getting swedish and finnish at home and pushing a latin language at school helps a long way | 09:24 |
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| Nc_ | Dual-language/multi-language schools seem like a pretty smart idea - kids getting used to people from other places, hear a lot of different languages, and train 2+ languages from early on | 09:27 |
| Teemu | yes i'm all for it | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | ummm | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | it's ok to a certain extent | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | i'd rather learn 2 or 3 useful languages and lots of science than 5 or 6 languages and then not know what a set is | 09:28 |
| tbr | meh, both ftw | 09:29 |
| ggabriel | there's a limit | 09:29 |
| ggabriel | you are only awarded a certain amount of hours of learning in your childhood/adolescence | 09:29 |
| ggabriel | and that's it | 09:29 |
| ggabriel | you may be able to learn 5 or 6 languages and lots of science, but that wasn't the point, they were just numbers ;) | 09:30 |
| covox | I definitely wouldn't cut it... got forcefed extracurricular french for 9 years, had no lasting impression beyond remembering a few basic phrases | 09:30 |
| * tbr speaks 3 languages fluently, and has varying command of 5 more. oh and I did the science bits too and EE and CS | 09:30 | |
| covox | then again at one stage I was convinced that it was like a substitution cipher and as soon as I could memorize the dictionary I'd be in the black | 09:31 |
| ggabriel | lol | 09:31 |
| tbr | at school I was not a hyper bookworm, so it's not that time was a problem | 09:31 |
| ggabriel | well, yeah | 09:31 |
| Nc_ | ggabriel, EU Schools have 1 primary language that you have most lessons in, and then a 2nd language from 1st grade that you have other lessons in. | 09:31 |
| covox | +1 circus btw | 09:31 |
| ggabriel | tbr: like i said, they were just numbers, but that isn't the point | 09:31 |
| Nc_ | so learning math in a given language, helps with that language | 09:31 |
| covox | I did an aerials class for a while, great fun | 09:32 |
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| covox | though the early mornings and insane cheerfulness got to me, so I switched to parkour | 09:32 |
| jonwil | I studied Indonesian for a year or 2 in high scool. | 09:33 |
| jonwil | Cant remember a thing of the language | 09:33 |
| ggabriel | that is kind of my point | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | i wasted a lot of time learning [inser here a useless subject] | 09:34 |
| jonwil | but I did pick up a love for Indonesian and Asian food that I still have today :) | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | while i could have learnt something more useful | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | jonwil: easy to learn to love food at any stage in your life | 09:34 |
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| suosaaski | Hey, getting close to one million mark again :) | 10:23 |
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| suosaaski | About 30000 dollars to go to make it 1M€ | 10:25 |
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| chem|st | *yawn* | 10:28 |
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| entil | the image says "the next 2000" but the perk only 1000, guess someone arrived at the conclusion that having a very small fraction of 2000 tablets gone looks worse than 100% | 10:29 |
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| chem|st | can anyone explain what crowd-sourced means? | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowdsourcing | 10:31 |
| chem|st | so Jolla marketing is just that, marketing... | 10:32 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: Jolla's "soon" has a different meaning than "soon" | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | soon(TM) | 10:33 |
| chem|st | :) | 10:33 |
| entil | don't be unfair, of course an IGG campaign is a lot about marketing :P | 10:33 |
| Nicd- | here you go Stskeeps: ™ | 10:33 |
| chem|st | entil: "first truly crowd-sourced" sounds like apple calling "first internet video telphony on a phone" | 10:36 |
| entil | it depends, cuz apple did do it pretty well... and I can't think of a better crowd-sourcing example than jolla | 10:36 |
| SK_work | chem|st: first crowd-sourced tablet: I'm sure there are others | 10:37 |
| chem|st | Jolla talks about "together" but do they really listen? | 10:37 |
| chem|st | SK_work: that is what I recall... | 10:37 |
| SK_work | chem|st: let's see | 10:37 |
| entil | beats me, I haven't felt the need to interact with tjc in a while | 10:37 |
| SK_work | chem|st: but at least they opened market to canada and australia :) | 10:37 |
| Naranek | chem|st: so far they seem to be listening pretty well :) | 10:37 |
| entil | there are a lot of jolla employees on irc and they're quite open about going for beers, that counts | 10:37 |
| chem|st | SK_work: they need to have some more in the pipe than selling to more countries | 10:37 |
| fennekki | hah | 10:38 |
| Naranek | you gotta remember that Jolla isn't a magic genie that can fulfill all your wishes just like that | 10:38 |
| fennekki | No? Have I been misled | 10:39 |
| phaeron | chem|st: patience .. we're trying hard :) | 10:39 |
| * TheBootroo|work just wonders what they gonna do with the extra funds | 10:39 | |
| entil | what extra funds? | 10:39 |
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| Naranek | fennekki: sorry to let you down ;) | 10:39 |
| chem|st | Naranek: sure, but how about milestones, 1M$ and we add NFC/IrDA/FM-TR | 10:39 |
| TheBootroo|work | Add spec to the tablet, lower price, or fund Jolla Phone 2 ? | 10:39 |
| fennekki | TheBootroo|work: marketing, marketing, development | 10:39 |
| fennekki | marketing | 10:39 |
| fennekki | I'd guess | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/46/Bahamas_beach.JPG ? | 10:40 |
| TheBootroo|work | well, i would be happy seeing a Jolla TV spot | 10:40 |
| fennekki | "$2M and we'll add a death ray to every tablet" | 10:40 |
| suosaaski | chem|st: Why would they lower the profit for the tablet? | 10:40 |
| TheBootroo|work | tired of Apple/Sony/Samsung/Lumia shit | 10:40 |
| phaeron | lasers .. good idea | 10:40 |
| entil | TheBootroo|work: basic maths, that's probably less than three months of salary for jolla employees, so it'd barely dent the retail price, would not cover the costs of changing the specs now and jolla phone 2 is better done by partnership anyway | 10:40 |
| fennekki | lasers are always a good idea | 10:40 |
| Naranek | especially with sharks | 10:41 |
| chem|st | suosaaski: profit? those are items worth a few cents... most of it is already on most SoCs it is just not wired | 10:41 |
| chem|st | suosaaski: the Jolla-Phone is missing a proper antenna for NFC for example | 10:41 |
| fennekki | hm? | 10:41 |
| TheBootroo|work | chem|st: yeah, the intel 64 bit atom used has a GraphicsHD chip and also an LTE by intel hcip | 10:42 |
| TheBootroo|work | *chip | 10:42 |
| ln- | items cost more than their few-cents price when they are integrated into an actual device. | 10:42 |
| fennekki | Are you saying the current NFC implementation is inadequate? | 10:42 |
| suosaaski | It would cost more to change the specs, also they would have to implement it, and they already sold the tablets at a discount anyway? | 10:42 |
| TheBootroo|work | so the tablet could do LTE if only jolla adds a SIM slot | 10:42 |
| fennekki | well, granted, I dunno. Never tried it with anything but toh | 10:42 |
| Nicd- | fennekki: the current NFC is only for TOH | 10:42 |
| chem|st | ln-: into an actual device, how about a device ready in 6 months? | 10:42 |
| Naranek | it's not like the money gathered on the tablet is extra cash they can use on anything.. I'd say that a big part of it goes to just - you know - getting the tablets out | 10:42 |
| TheBootroo|work | according to my search, the CPU could be a Intel Atom E3845 | 10:43 |
| SK_work | TheBootroo|work: Z37XX | 10:43 |
| chem|st | fineprint reads "we kickoff at 2000 devices" so we are at what now 5k? | 10:43 |
| suosaaski | it is z3735 | 10:43 |
| TheBootroo|work | SK_work: sure about that ? confirmed by some jolla ppl ? | 10:44 |
| fennekki | Sailfish on x86 sounds interesting because it means I could probably slap it onto a laptop given a custom kernel | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | you can already today, though | 10:44 |
| suosaaski | TheBootroo|work: z3735 was mentioned on this channel | 10:44 |
| chem|st | well I don't care much about the hardware, the specs are fine, I am more concerned about SFOS connectivity atm | 10:44 |
| SK_work | I would like NFC | 10:45 |
| chem|st | seamless integration of dlna/upnp/sync and other home-network tasks | 10:45 |
| TheBootroo|work | at least Z37XX are all Intel® HD Graphics | 10:45 |
| SK_work | but I think that Jolla people already frozen the HW | 10:45 |
| TheBootroo|work | no shitty PowerVR | 10:45 |
| SK_work | chem|st: isn't this SW related ? | 10:45 |
| chem|st | SK_work: I said I am more concerned about SFOS | 10:45 |
| SK_work | ok | 10:46 |
| sharpneli | Stskeeps: How are the apps being handled on jolla app store? People are required to upload both x86 and arm version of an app? | 10:46 |
| sharpneli | Or is it voluntary? | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: to be defined | 10:46 |
| TheBootroo|work | sharpneli: 100% plain QML app would eliminate the need for multi arch packages | 10:47 |
| TheBootroo|work | but seems not possible atm | 10:47 |
| TheBootroo|work | unless Jolla adds more QML APIS | 10:47 |
| SK_work | TheBootroo|work: please, no plain QML | 10:47 |
| TheBootroo|work | for file, DB, Settings etc handling | 10:48 |
| SK_work | I love to write my C++ extensions | 10:48 |
| SK_work | JS is a mess IMO | 10:48 |
| TheBootroo|work | SK_work: yeah but if C++ extensions are standard toolkit, everyone can use them in plain QML | 10:48 |
| TheBootroo|work | which is nice | 10:48 |
| SK_work | TheBootroo|work: no, you cannot cover everythign | 10:48 |
| SK_work | I write specific models for specific tasks for example | 10:48 |
| SK_work | so ... | 10:49 |
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| sharpneli | TheBootroo|work: The things you can do with QML is pretty much just fart apps | 10:49 |
| Nicd- | sharpneli: I would imagine the SDK will compile fat packages in release mode in the future | 10:49 |
| Nicd- | and then you upload that | 10:49 |
| sharpneli | TheBootroo|work: One needs full native access. | 10:49 |
| chem|st | Nicd-: +1 | 10:50 |
| entil | sharpneli: I read that as "fast apps" :( | 10:50 |
| TheBootroo|work | sharpneli: i can't agree 100%, only 60% | 10:50 |
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| TheBootroo|work | i use QML daily for 4 years nox | 10:50 |
| TheBootroo|work | *ow | 10:50 |
| TheBootroo|work | *now | 10:50 |
| TheBootroo|work | with adequate C++ toolkit exposed to QML one can do almost everything | 10:50 |
| sharpneli | TheBootroo|work: Consider iPhone. They introduced native SDK even though they originally wanted webapps. Consider android which quite quickly implemented NDK because java just didn't cut it | 10:50 |
| TheBootroo|work | but, that's mandatory that someone creates the tookit, with nice API, and expose it for everyone | 10:51 |
| sharpneli | And now android has full native activities. | 10:51 |
| TheBootroo|work | sharpneli: please don't, don't even dare comparing JDK and QML | 10:51 |
| sharpneli | Almost everything that is not compute intensive nor 3d graphics stuff. | 10:51 |
| TheBootroo|work | QML is plain C++ underground | 10:51 |
| TheBootroo|work | well | 10:52 |
| TheBootroo|work | i understand your point guys | 10:52 |
| TheBootroo|work | i simply say that we could perfectly have a fully featured Qt API available in QML | 10:52 |
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| TheBootroo|work | i've partially done it for 80% of my projects | 10:52 |
| sharpneli | Sure. But I mostly referred to the implication that native applications would be forbidden | 10:53 |
| TheBootroo|work | sharpneli: well, forbidden is maybe too much | 10:53 |
| SK_work | TheBootroo|work: you can indeed do most of your work on QML | 10:53 |
| TheBootroo|work | maybe just encourage QML apps, to ease updates, and multi-arch deploy without breaking code | 10:53 |
| SK_work | assuming good QML plugins | 10:53 |
| SK_work | but there are people who prefer native | 10:54 |
| SK_work | because C++ stuff might be more concise etc. | 10:54 |
| TheBootroo|work | SK_work: yeah, but still need that these plugins are standards, because if i must deploy 150 plugins with my app, it's not a gain over a mixed C++/QML app | 10:54 |
| sharpneli | The problem is that even if 90% of an app is pure QML goodness the remaining 10% must be implemented or there will not be an app at all | 10:55 |
| sharpneli | Also to be honest QML is really bad for games | 10:56 |
| sharpneli | It's a sin to use QML for anything realtime. It's battery life killer at the very least. | 10:56 |
| TheBootroo|work | the point that makes me fear a lot, is that if tablet is 64bits, we will mandatory need a 64bit dev machine to produce binaries, unless jolla opens an OBS server to make the builts | 10:56 |
| sharpneli | Umm. Who doesn't have 64bit x86? | 10:56 |
| sharpneli | It's an 11 year old ISA :D | 10:57 |
| TheBootroo|work | sharpneli: we can have a 64bit CPU but use a 32 bit distro to avoid some issues with some specific drivers for example | 10:57 |
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| sharpneli | Even today? I can imagine that for some old HW but not for anything modern | 10:58 |
| TheBootroo|work | for my part, i just migrated my main laptop to 64 bit distro, but most of my dev friends still use 32 bits because of issues with Nvidia drivers, Flash player or things like that | 10:58 |
| TheBootroo|work | sharpneli: yeah even today, blame manufacturers and drivers developers for that | 10:58 |
| anYc | o.O | 10:59 |
| sharpneli | Wat? I've used nvidia closed drivers in 64bit for god knows how many years | 10:59 |
| suosaaski | if you are a developer, and you develop apps, then you need the tools to match. And if that tool is x64 OS it is not that bad given what year it is. | 10:59 |
| sharpneli | Works fine. Also Flash. | 10:59 |
| sharpneli | Indeed. | 10:59 |
| fennekki | nvidia drivers for 64 bit systems have worked without much issue for as long as I've owned a computer with an nvidia GPU | 10:59 |
| fennekki | there really is no reason to use a 32-bit distro | 11:00 |
| anYc | isn't ubuntu even planning to skip the 32bit version? | 11:00 |
| sharpneli | I mean sure in 2005 there was some sense to use 32bit distro | 11:01 |
| fennekki | and if you really really need kinda-legit 32-bit just run a 32-bit chroot | 11:01 |
| fennekki | multilib is ubiquitous and 64-bit drivers work | 11:01 |
| fennekki | what else is there | 11:01 |
| SK_work | TheBootroo|work: btw, you can use build.merproject.org | 11:02 |
| TheBootroo|work | fennekki: i'm not saying that it can't work , i use 64 bit myself, but i just know a lot of people that can't use it | 11:02 |
| suosaaski | Of course there are some rather recent hardware with no support for x64, like tablets with atom z2760 etc | 11:02 |
| TheBootroo|work | (i've a full intel platform, so no driver issue anyway) | 11:02 |
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| sharpneli | TheBootroo|work: What hardware is holding them back? | 11:02 |
| TheBootroo|work | suosaaski: how can they remove 32bit ? they remove instructions sets ? | 11:03 |
| fennekki | ...anyway, I fail to see why you couldn't cross-compile x86_64 from any platform | 11:03 |
| sharpneli | The only thing I can guess is nvidia card from year 2004 that has not had updated drivers in ages :D | 11:03 |
| TheBootroo|work | sharpneli: mainly GPU and printers drivers afaik | 11:03 |
| sharpneli | TheBootroo|work: What GPU's? | 11:03 |
| TheBootroo|work | sharpneli: not sure exactly | 11:03 |
| sharpneli | And printer? wtf? Everything works via CUPS nowadays thanks to Apple | 11:03 |
| sharpneli | It has absolutely awesome support | 11:03 |
| fennekki | sharpneli: it still needs drivers tho | 11:03 |
| TheBootroo|work | sharpneli: some printers have drivers for CUPS but sometimes not for 64bit (like lexmark iirc) | 11:04 |
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| TheBootroo|work | but yeah, CUPS is awesome i confirm | 11:04 |
| anYc | but it's userspace stuff that usually works with multilib libraries | 11:04 |
| fennekki | actually, CUPS doesn't seem to work properly with any printers I've had | 11:04 |
| sharpneli | Can't the cups be run on a jail? | 11:04 |
| fennekki | on the other hand, their interfaces are fucking broken | 11:04 |
| sharpneli | And if it doesn't run on 64bit linux then it doesn't run on macintosh | 11:04 |
| sharpneli | And that's bad. | 11:04 |
| TheBootroo|work | sharpneli: it surely works on 64 bit cpu, just not compiled/packaged for linux 64 | 11:05 |
| anYc | the 32bit printer drivers I had to work with were actually filters that run as a separate process. | 11:05 |
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| anYc | so no need for 32bit cups. just normal cups starting another 32bit process that pipes stuff around | 11:05 |
| TheBootroo|work | mine, Samsung CLX6260 laser color printer works wonderfully well on my archlinux 64 | 11:05 |
| sharpneli | Also printer drivers are not on kernelspace, so it doesn't matter if they're 32 or 64bit | 11:06 |
| sharpneli | If for some reason there was a printer that would require 32bit drivers I'd throw that thing on the garbage. X64 is just so much better of an ISA. | 11:08 |
| suosaaski | TheBootroo|work: remove 32-bit? | 11:09 |
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| TheBootroo|work | suosaaski: my bad, didn't read correclty | 12:02 |
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| coderus | I want to rent a room in Finland 25 Dec - 10 Jan. For me and girlfriend. We're cool, don't know your language and can cook. Sailors, anyone? | 12:25 |
| Wnt | I have problems running patchmanager-0.4.5-10.15.1 on SailfishOS 1.1.0.39. I get "[W] unknown:34 - file:///usr/share/patchmanager/qml/main.qml:34:1: "pages": no such directory" in the terminal when trying to launch it. | 12:26 |
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| Wnt | What could be the problem? I already tried re-installin it using "zypper in -f patchmanager-ui" | 12:27 |
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| Nicd- | coderus: might be good to specify where in Finland | 12:32 |
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| * ggabriel wishes coderus responds "around the lakes" | 12:34 | |
| Scelt | ggabriel: "such a small country, anywhere is okay" | 12:35 |
| sharpneli | :D | 12:35 |
| sharpneli | I have this cheap place at Rovaniemi humm hummm ;D | 12:36 |
| sharpneli | Only 10 hours in a car! | 12:36 |
| sharpneli | To Helsinki | 12:36 |
| coderus | Nicd-: anywhere :) | 12:37 |
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| coderus | will be in Finland around 28 Dec | 12:37 |
| Nicd- | coderus: Finland is surprisingly big... | 12:37 |
| coderus | and want to go to new year party in Helsinki | 12:37 |
| coderus | Nicd-: anywhere :) | 12:38 |
| coderus | I'll be happy any meeting in Finland | 12:38 |
| coderus | it's my first trip here, so :) | 12:38 |
| sharpneli | So you need a place on capital area | 12:38 |
| coderus | if sailors go to some new year party - i want to be here too | 12:38 |
| coderus | and please send me details about events | 12:38 |
| coderus | sharpneli: i'm on car | 12:38 |
| coderus | i can live anywhere in finland :) | 12:39 |
| sharpneli | coderus: As I said. 10 hours drive from Rovaniemi to Helsinki ;) | 12:39 |
| sharpneli | Finland is big | 12:39 |
| coderus | just need to have that place i can live :D | 12:39 |
| Nicd- | so probably you want anywhere south of Jyväskylä | 12:39 |
| Wnt | coderus: did you check airbnb? https://www.airbnb.com/s/helsinki?checkin=12%2F25%2F2014&checkout=01%2F10%2F2015&guests=2&source=bb | 12:39 |
| sharpneli | Yap | 12:39 |
| coderus | sharpneli: it's okay | 12:39 |
| coderus | sharpneli: russia is much bigger ;) | 12:39 |
| sharpneli | Sure | 12:39 |
| coderus | Wnt: thanks! | 12:40 |
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| coderus | have to go, will back in a hour | 12:42 |
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| SK_work | Wnt: what's the problem about patchmaanger ? | 12:57 |
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| SK_work | did I really messed up with the packaging | 12:57 |
| SK_work | hum ... | 12:57 |
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| _MikeAce_ | i had a bootloop today - when the homescreen appeared the phone went back to the jolla screen. i was able to leave the loop by not entering the pin and thus deactivate the sim services. btw, the signal was very bad at the time (subways). I'm curious, did anyone encounter s.th. alike? | 13:02 |
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| fennekki | did it make the reboot vibration thing when you entered the pin | 13:08 |
| fennekki | this sounds like the problem the tape trick was devised to fix | 13:08 |
| _MikeAce_ | tape trick? :-) well, vibration doesn't seem to work anymore. so maybe it wanted to vibrate. | 13:12 |
| _MikeAce_ | but it didn't | 13:13 |
| _MikeAce_ | ah, battery contact problems maybe? i'll give it a try. thx for the hint. | 13:16 |
| fennekki | yeah, that | 13:18 |
| fennekki | it's common | 13:18 |
| fennekki | the latest trick seems to be removing oxidisation off the contacts by rubbing them with eg. a pencil eraser | 13:18 |
| Wnt | SK_work: it doesn't start :) | 13:18 |
| fennekki | reportedly works, reliably, and as such no paper or tape needed | 13:19 |
| SK_work | Wnt: install jolla-settings-patchmanager | 13:19 |
| SK_work | remove this | 13:19 |
| Wnt | SK_work: ok | 13:19 |
| SK_work | remove patchmanager-ui | 13:19 |
| SK_work | I think I messed up something | 13:19 |
| Wnt | SK_work: OK and now it's integrated in settings, thanks! | 13:21 |
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| * Morpog_PC demands Update 10 today, as it's his birthday :D | 14:03 | |
| Hartzi | hbd | 14:03 |
| Morpog_PC | thx | 14:04 |
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| Acce | happy birthday | 14:05 |
| lukedirtwalker | Morpog_PC: happy birthday :) | 14:06 |
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| louisdk | I just know I wouldn't have any use for a tablet, however it just so tempting :) | 15:41 |
| SK_work | louisdk: I said this before getting a N7 | 15:43 |
| SK_work | well, I was not that wrong | 15:43 |
| SK_work | but not right either | 15:43 |
| SK_work | using it sometimes to watch youtube | 15:43 |
| louisdk | SK_work, Nokia N7? | 15:44 |
| SK_work | louisdk: nope | 15:44 |
| SK_work | Nexus 7 | 15:44 |
| SK_work | there was no N7 | 15:44 |
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| louisdk | SK_work, ah right | 15:46 |
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| SK_work | would loved to try the Nokia internet tablets (N800, N900 etc.) but caught the train too late | 15:47 |
| louisdk | SK_work, N900 is a legend. Loved the keyboard and computer-like OS. | 15:48 |
| SK_work | louisdk: got a N950 | 15:48 |
| SK_work | was not convinced by the kbd at all | 15:48 |
| SK_work | now, I just want the TOHKBD | 15:48 |
| louisdk | SK_work, what about the Jolla Tablet? Are you preordering? | 15:49 |
| SK_work | got one | 15:49 |
| SK_work | was one of the first 100 to get one | 15:49 |
| louisdk | SK_work, do you work for Jolla? | 15:49 |
| SK_work | no | 15:49 |
| SK_work | I worked | 15:49 |
| SK_work | (intern) | 15:49 |
| SK_work | doing patchmanager these days | 15:50 |
| SK_work | and some other fun stuff | 15:50 |
| SK_work | Jolla and SailfishOS is nice to hack | 15:50 |
| SK_work | quite pleasant for a Linux user | 15:50 |
| louisdk | So you already have a Jolla Tablet? wow | 15:50 |
| louisdk | SK_work, Or did you mean preorder? | 15:51 |
| SK_work | no | 15:52 |
| SK_work | preorder | 15:52 |
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| coderus | what is average cost of eat in finland per day? | 16:15 |
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| stephg | coderus is planning a trip? | 16:16 |
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| coderus | stephg: yes! | 16:17 |
| coderus | 28 Dec - 10 Jan i'm in Finland | 16:17 |
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| coderus | calculating now and searching rooms | 16:18 |
| stephg | cool :) | 16:18 |
| Tofe | coderus: in Helsinki, it's about 20-25 per day, I'd say. Breakfast + lunch + dinner. But that's if you don't go to restaurant, which can be expensive. | 16:19 |
| Tofe | Maybe if you find the right places, it could go down a bit. | 16:20 |
| TemeV | coderus: cooking your self or restaurant? | 16:21 |
| Tofe | Ah wait, it can go down, if you prepare you lunch yourself, ofcourse ;à | 16:21 |
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| Tofe | coderus: you'll arrive just when I'll leave ! | 16:22 |
| TemeV | 20e sounds quite a lot, I'd say with 10/day you can eat quite nicely | 16:22 |
| TemeV | cooking your self of course | 16:23 |
| Tofe | TemeV: yeah, I realize I didn't take the self-cooking into account, which is stupid for a long stay | 16:23 |
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| TMavica | coderus: let meet! | 16:24 |
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| TMavica | coderus: hotel is not your choice? | 16:25 |
| coderus | TemeV: cooking fr the most of time | 16:25 |
| coderus | TMavica: i'm looking https://www.airbnb.ru/s/tampere and https://www.airbnb.ru/s/helsinki | 16:26 |
| TMavica | how much per night? seem ok | 16:27 |
| coderus | TMavica: price in corner is per day | 16:27 |
| TemeV | coderus: then, I'd say 5-10e/day depending how good food you want | 16:28 |
| TemeV | In Helsinki probably a little bit more, because everything is expensive there :) | 16:28 |
| TMavica | I have booked 9 nights hotel in Hel | 16:29 |
| Plnt | coderus: you can also try http://www.9flats.com/ (sth like airbnb). i used them in amsterdam and it was fine. | 16:30 |
| SK_work | yeah, 9 days in hell ! | 16:30 |
| SK_work | hell yeah ! | 16:30 |
| SK_work | (sorry :)) | 16:30 |
| TMavica | I in Finland from 21/12 - 4/1 | 16:30 |
| TemeV | SK_work: that reminds me about great ad I saw in Tampere. It was advertising flights to all over europe through Copenhagen or something. Punch line was "Why go through Hel?" | 16:31 |
| SK_work | :D | 16:32 |
| * SK_work remids of iekku saying she doesn't like Hell sink in | 16:32 | |
| coderus | Plnt: can't find in helsinki | 16:32 |
| TMavica | coderus: seem too late for booking? going full | 16:33 |
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| TMavica | I want go visit Jolla office, LOL. | 16:36 |
| coderus | TMavica: too late, i booked all Jolla office visits :D | 16:37 |
| SK_work | TMavica: won't be possible | 16:37 |
| SK_work | what coderus said :D | 16:38 |
| TMavica | .... | 16:38 |
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| TMavica | SK_work: you in finland? | 16:38 |
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| SK_work | TMavica: nope | 16:41 |
| SK_work | - 40°C is too much for me :D | 16:41 |
| SK_work | (ok, it is not -40°C yet) | 16:41 |
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| Acce | -2 to 2 Celsius, dark and rainy is too much for me | 16:43 |
| Acce | wish it was -20 and snowing | 16:43 |
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| FireFly | SK_work: too *much*, you say? :P | 16:45 |
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| FireFly | Acce: agree, the snow at least reflects some light | 16:46 |
| Acce | FireFly: yeah, and the snow ain't half as wet either :) | 16:46 |
| Acce | rather -20 and dry than 0 and wet | 16:46 |
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| TMavica | -20!? | 16:46 |
| FireFly | I agree | 16:47 |
| anYc | I prefer 20° and don't care if dry or wet :) | 16:47 |
| FireFly | But you can't go skiing in 20° :P | 16:48 |
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| FireFly | In general I'm more of a summer person than winter person, though | 16:48 |
| anYc | there are people skying in dubai!11 | 16:48 |
| anYc | ;) | 16:49 |
| Acce | dune skiing? :) | 16:49 |
| TMavica | is there any count down activity in HEL at 31/12? | 16:49 |
| Acce | now I want to play Dune 2 | 16:49 |
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| anYc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ski_Dubai :) | 16:49 |
| SK_work | 0 wet is horrible | 16:49 |
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| coderus | what is the working days in Finland in Dec - Jan ? | 17:04 |
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| _inte_ | hello | 17:04 |
| SK_work | hi _inte_ | 17:05 |
| _inte_ | Just saw we're at 321% | 17:06 |
| _inte_ | amazing :) | 17:06 |
| suosaaski | still waiting if it will hit 1M€ | 17:07 |
| * _inte_ as well | 17:09 | |
| _inte_ | or 2M$ :) | 17:09 |
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| suosaaski | it won't. But 1M€ might happen as it is only 20k short | 17:14 |
| _inte_ | still more than two weeks to go | 17:15 |
| suosaaski | Well...but it has slowed down A LOT. | 17:15 |
| _inte_ | but yes, 2m$ would be great but probably hard to achieve | 17:15 |
| suosaaski | Most who want it already ordered. | 17:15 |
| _inte_ | i ordered mine for 189$ :) | 17:15 |
| _inte_ | but maybe, since it is the only Gnu/LINUX tablet applicable to date, some more Linux-users might still consider buying one | 17:16 |
| suosaaski | yeah, I am quite sure it will hit that 1M€ mark, though. | 17:17 |
| _inte_ | e.g. those who were up to order a Vivaldi tablet previously (which never made it into the market) | 17:17 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | it might help little if they add more countries | 17:17 |
| _inte_ | HarhaanJohtaja: thats for sure | 17:17 |
| Teemu | is't android using gnu/linux? | 17:17 |
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| sharpneli | No. Android is Linux + bunch of google stuff | 17:18 |
| sharpneli | The only gnu component is the compiler | 17:18 |
| _inte_ | Teemu: android is crap | 17:18 |
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| Teemu | _inte_: i know | 17:18 |
| Teemu | but it still runs on linux kernel, which is gpl | 17:18 |
| _inte_ | its rather dalvik (or its sucessor) than linux | 17:18 |
| _inte_ | Teemu: yes but only the kernel, which could be easily replaced | 17:19 |
| _inte_ | like blackberry did with qnx | 17:19 |
| _inte_ | i know this is always disputed but i would neer consider Android as "Linux" | 17:19 |
| _inte_ | never | 17:19 |
| suosaaski | Wether android is crap or not, doesn't change the fact that the reason I did not yet order the jolla tablet is lack of apps compared to android or ios. | 17:21 |
| suosaaski | And by the way, for the finnish people here, Expert will have a sale of Lenovo Miix-2 8" / 64GB during the next weekend for 149e. If anyone might be interested in trying to make Sailfish run on it :) | 17:22 |
| Teemu | i don't have any tablet and didn't order this either | 17:23 |
| SK_work | suosaaski: which HW ? | 17:23 |
| SK_work | for a Miix | 17:23 |
| Teemu | anyhow i'm sure our ell-i control software will eventually be ported to html5/js/whatnot/ymsjne instead of ios app | 17:24 |
| * tbr has an unreasonable amount of gadgets, including tablets, all of them running linux in one form or the other | 17:24 | |
| Teemu | so rest assured your automation configuration needs will be met on jolla | 17:24 |
| SK_work | tbr: linux or gnui linux ? | 17:24 |
| suosaaski | I believe it's Atom Z3740, 2GB RAM, 64Gt storage, 1280*800 display. | 17:25 |
| SK_work | hum | 17:25 |
| SK_work | interesting | 17:25 |
| Teemu | i would be much happier with free software running on mine instead of Free Software(TM)(except less free than the other frees) | 17:25 |
| SK_work | suosaaski: which stock OS ? windows or android ? | 17:25 |
| SK_work | if windows you might dump some Linux on it easily | 17:25 |
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| tbr | SK_work: all varieties, including several running GNU/Linux with Qtopia 1.3.1 on top of a 2.4.19 kernel | 17:25 |
| SK_work | and then, Mer, Android etc. | 17:25 |
| SK_work | tbr: woow, awesome :) | 17:25 |
| suosaaski | SK_work: windows | 17:25 |
| SK_work | suosaaski: interesting | 17:26 |
| SK_work | 1st, dump ubuntu | 17:26 |
| tbr | that's actually one that's quite dear to me as I hacked a lot on it, including a hdd-driver fix | 17:26 |
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| Teemu | i'm saying this even when ell-i software is gplv3 | 17:26 |
| SK_work | then, get a basic Mer kernel to run on it, then dump the emulator image, then win :) | 17:26 |
| SK_work | HDD driver fix Oo | 17:26 |
| _inte_ | If its an Atom Z2760 it cannot run Linux | 17:27 |
| SK_work | why ? | 17:27 |
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| suosaaski | It's z3740 | 17:27 |
| suosaaski | z2760 is an old model. | 17:27 |
| tbr | SK_work: the kernel driver for the PATA CPLD was not ideal, found a race condition in it | 17:28 |
| suosaaski | http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/41892/fdhxj/Lenovo-Miix-2-64-Gt-WiFi-Windows-8-1-tablet-vari-hopea-suoja that one I think (it is not listen at experts website) | 17:28 |
| Teemu | oh btw is anybody anyhow related to aalto or eit ict labs? | 17:28 |
| suosaaski | *listed | 17:28 |
| _inte_ | SK_work: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Intel-No-Linux-support-for-tablet-processor-1709365.html | 17:28 |
| _inte_ | dont know the details, though | 17:28 |
| tbr | _inte_: that's a completely different soc though | 17:29 |
| * _inte_ is not too much in the mood of testing Linux out on tablet hardware | 17:29 | |
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| _inte_ | plus there is not a single touch related linux distro at the moment | 17:30 |
| suosaaski | z2760 has some weird power management stuff that is only supported on Windows IIRC | 17:30 |
| _inte_ | maybe when kde5 gets ready | 17:30 |
| _inte_ | and can easily switch between touch and desktop environments | 17:30 |
| _inte_ | and the bootloader issue is resolved | 17:30 |
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| _inte_ | then it might be fund experimenting with a transformer tablet | 17:31 |
| _inte_ | but until then i rather go for preinstalled stuff (like the Jolla) or notebooks | 17:31 |
| suosaaski | there is also a 99e Windows tablet at verkkokauppa.com, but it only has 1GB of RAM | 17:31 |
| suosaaski | z3735 | 17:31 |
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| suosaaski | http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/49307/dxvtj/ProCaster-Yedi-7-Windows-8-1-tablet | 17:32 |
| _inte_ | no but seriously, meego touch is dead, plasma active as well, and kde5 nor sailfishOS are ready yet | 17:32 |
| _inte_ | so, any suggestions for a touch-compatible DE on Linux? | 17:33 |
| _inte_ | Apart from Android? | 17:33 |
| _inte_ | :) | 17:33 |
| Teemu | just port sailfish on a laptop, no? :) | 17:33 |
| SK_work | just put the good old android emulator in it | 17:34 |
| _inte_ | hehe | 17:34 |
| SK_work | I had the alpha emuyaltor (X11 based) + some nemo apps (browser) on an inconia tab | 17:34 |
| SK_work | iconia w500 | 17:34 |
| SK_work | (super old HW) | 17:34 |
| SK_work | it worked really well | 17:34 |
| SK_work | my cooking tablet | 17:34 |
| SK_work | :d | 17:34 |
| _inte_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cTS1ld53sU | 17:35 |
| suosaaski | I sold my thinkpad 8 last summer cos I did not really need a tablet. Now with the Jolla "out", I still don't need it, but I am quite tempted :) | 17:36 |
| Teemu | can you cut fish on it? | 17:36 |
| SK_work | Teemu: on the W500 ? sure | 17:36 |
| cryorat | suosaaski, +1 | 17:36 |
| SK_work | it is big and bulky, and rock solid | 17:36 |
| SK_work | :D | 17:36 |
| suosaaski | also tempted by the nokia n1, too, to be honest | 17:37 |
| flux | maybe sailfish can be ported to it ;-), though given it's coming from nokia, it could be locked down. | 17:38 |
| cryorat | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0HtoSH7238 | 17:38 |
| _inte_ | nokia n1 will probably run sailfishos as well | 17:38 |
| suosaaski | i heard it is not that locked | 17:38 |
| SK_work | I was like "need" when N1 was out, but when the Jolla tablet was announced, I changed my mind :) | 17:38 |
| suosaaski | but for me a tablet is mostly about entertainment and checking emails and stuff, which sadly makes the only real options to be ios or android | 17:39 |
| SK_work | cryorat: there are a bit of truth in this advertisement :) | 17:39 |
| SK_work | a bit | 17:39 |
| SK_work | for old thinkpads | 17:39 |
| SK_work | newer ones are not as solid | 17:39 |
| SK_work | suosaaski: get a N1 ? | 17:40 |
| suosaaski | SK_work: probably. Or nothing. | 17:40 |
| SK_work | :D | 17:40 |
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| suosaaski | maybe sailfish on a tablet makes it more appealing to make netflix and stuff like that for it. | 17:41 |
| _inte_ | suosaaski: that can be done with sailfishos well | 17:41 |
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| AL13N | i'm pretty sure the sailfishos will gradually improve and get the missing parts | 17:41 |
| AL13N | like a better integrated media player (the backend code does video too) | 17:41 |
| AL13N | and such | 17:41 |
| SK_work | no DRM thing prevents netflix to be natively on Sailfish I guess | 17:41 |
| _inte_ | especially if netflix becomes available through html5 | 17:41 |
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| Teemu | _inte_: after we have the ell-i control soft on cordova, there's no stopping sailfish as the best possible control surface for open source automated homes | 17:42 |
| suosaaski | netflix already runs on html5 on most devices | 17:42 |
| AL13N | doesn't it need DRM? | 17:42 |
| _inte_ | unfortunately, if have a skygo subscription which relies on silverlight :( | 17:43 |
| AL13N | silverlight... what poc | 17:43 |
| _inte_ | that works fine on linux through wine/pipelight | 17:43 |
| suosaaski | Not sure how it is implemented, but for example osx yosemite, win8.1 and chromeos run it on html5, not silverlight, IIRC | 17:43 |
| _inte_ | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2824623/ubuntu-linux-gets-netflix-without-weird-workarounds.html | 17:44 |
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| AL13N | with the whole HTML5, why anyone would want silverlight is beyond me | 17:45 |
| _inte_ | eme or sth | 17:45 |
| TemeV | chrome :/ | 17:46 |
| _inte_ | hopefully ff as well in the future | 17:46 |
| AL13N | :-( | 17:49 |
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| AL13N | tbh, i hope someone makes a FF ext to save the decrypted content | 17:50 |
| cryorat | AL13N, or a wayland stream loop :) | 17:55 |
| coderus | living in Tampere or Helsinki is better for new year hollidays? | 17:56 |
| sharpneli | Helsinki | 17:57 |
| TMavica | coderus: Must Helsinki | 17:57 |
| coderus | found cool room in Sipoo.. | 17:58 |
| pdanek | Hey guys! | 17:59 |
| pdanek | Usually I'm forcing my LTE connection through some dbus command. | 17:59 |
| pdanek | Can I force 3G only too? | 17:59 |
| pdanek | Like GSM/2G modem will be off. | 18:00 |
| pdanek | Because with LTE only, the ping response is better, if all other modems are off. | 18:00 |
| Teemu | coderus: depends on where you want to do what you want to do | 18:00 |
| TMavica | coderus: any pic? | 18:00 |
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| coderus | pdanek: like this? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92436 | 18:01 |
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| Teemu | i would recommend somewhere north to get a proper kaamos experience | 18:01 |
| pdanek | coderus: I'm usually doing it via CLI: | 18:02 |
| pdanek | /bin/dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.ofono /ril_0 org.ofono.RadioSettings.SetProperty string:"TechnologyPreference" variant:string:"any" | 18:02 |
| pdanek | /bin/dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.ofono /ril_0 org.ofono.RadioSettings.SetProperty string:"TechnologyPreference" variant:string:"lte" | 18:02 |
| coderus | Teemu: https://www.airbnb.ru/rooms/3818130?s=_lTF | 18:02 |
| pdanek | What will be the string for 3G only? | 18:02 |
| coderus | pdanek: there is no any before installing patched ofono | 18:02 |
| coderus | Teemu: planning to live in city for new year eve +- 2 days | 18:03 |
| pdanek | coderus: does it improve ping response like with LTE only? | 18:03 |
| coderus | and then trip around finland on car | 18:03 |
| coderus | pdanek: no idea, try yourself :) | 18:03 |
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| TMavica | coderus: will you go to see north light? | 18:04 |
| coderus | TMavica: probably | 18:04 |
| Teemu | coderus: i have absolutely no idea on how to get from city to sipoo but it'll take some time and be problematic on the THE night | 18:04 |
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| TMavica | so you need book a room in Rov too | 18:05 |
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| Teemu | why rovaniemi? | 18:05 |
| Teemu | i mean, there's proper lapland too | 18:05 |
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| Teemu | like sevettijärvi or ivalo | 18:06 |
| nander | When is the next update due? | 18:06 |
| TMavica | Teemu: The room is fully booked in there... | 18:06 |
| suosaaski | What happens to naming when we run out of lakes? | 18:06 |
| nander | Create new lakes | 18:07 |
| Teemu | suosaaski: we can always call the lakes-without-names lapinjärvi | 18:07 |
| Teemu | half the old ones are already with that name | 18:07 |
| Teemu | TMavica: a single room in all of lapland? | 18:08 |
| _inte_ | Just wanna mention that I find the MeeGo Tablet release somewhat similar to sailfish 2.0, which is no big surprise IMHO | 18:09 |
| TMavica | I cant found any room in there, because chritmas period, many people book | 18:09 |
| Teemu | TMavica: i would suspect that's mostly the rovaniemi and skiing center regions with places such as sevettijärvi less full | 18:09 |
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| TMavica | Teemu: I booked a hotel in Rov, then I take train to see north light | 18:11 |
| Teemu | okay | 18:11 |
| Teemu | i guess rovaniemi is as far as the trains go | 18:11 |
| Teemu | well, with hotels, places like most of lapland proper has them only in skiing centers | 18:12 |
| TMavica | Teemu: few hours | 18:12 |
| TMavica | no choice | 18:12 |
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| Nicd- | last time I saw the northern lights I was in Tampere :D | 18:12 |
| Teemu | :) | 18:12 |
| Teemu | i've seen northern lights in matinkylä, espoo | 18:12 |
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| TMavica | I need wake early then take train and sit the to wait north light. LOL | 18:13 |
| Teemu | TMavica: you'll need to step out of the city lights area | 18:13 |
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| Teemu | in the true north the display is on roughly 24/7 on clear skies but you'll not see any if you're too close to light pollution | 18:14 |
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| Teemu | luckily the polluted areas are small and just a few hours hike from even rovaniemi will get you to a good spot | 18:14 |
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| Teemu | what you cannot do is to hike up a fjäll to try count all the lakes you'll see | 18:15 |
| TMavica | can Rov able to watch north light>\ | 18:16 |
| Teemu | yes | 18:16 |
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| Teemu | just go somewhere out of city lights area | 18:16 |
| Nicd- | just remember they're not always there ;) | 18:16 |
| Teemu | right | 18:16 |
| Nicd- | I've seen them twice in my life I think | 18:17 |
| Teemu | where are you nicd? | 18:17 |
| Nicd- | tampere | 18:17 |
| Teemu | ah | 18:17 |
| Teemu | too south for regular northern lights | 18:18 |
| Nicd- | seen them once when driving from kotka to tampere via lahti | 18:18 |
| Nicd- | then another time in tampere | 18:18 |
| Nicd- | maybe once in Jyväskylä too I think | 18:18 |
| Teemu | i guess in the polar region the show is on pretty often if the sky happens to be clear | 18:18 |
| Nicd- | been in lapland many times in january but never actually seen northern lights there | 18:19 |
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| Nicd- | I was scammed! ;D | 18:19 |
| Teemu | anyhow TMavica i recommend you to go see the parts outside city lights during all times of day | 18:19 |
| Teemu | in rovaniemi you could even see a bit of the sun near noon | 18:19 |
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| TMavica | what the last train to take me back to Rov? | 18:22 |
| pdanek1 | coderus: it does | 18:23 |
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| Teemu | TMavica: i thought rovaniemi is the last stop | 18:23 |
| Teemu | oh it goes to kemijärvi o_O | 18:23 |
| Teemu | just a taxi for 15 minutes is enough to take you out of rovaniemi city lights area | 18:24 |
| Teemu | or a long walk | 18:24 |
| TMavica | I mean from inari | 18:24 |
| Teemu | ahhhh' | 18:24 |
| Teemu | train doesn't go to inari | 18:24 |
| TMavica | then how i can go there? | 18:24 |
| Teemu | bus | 18:25 |
| nander | Quite a long train route from here to northern light | 18:25 |
| TMavica | o my god.. | 18:25 |
| Teemu | nander: where are you? | 18:25 |
| nander | Transfers in Osnabrueck, Hamburg, Koebenhavn, Stockholm probably | 18:25 |
| Teemu | ah | 18:25 |
| nander | Narvik should do the trick? | 18:25 |
| Teemu | .no? | 18:25 |
| nander | For northern light | 18:26 |
| nander | Yeah, in norway | 18:26 |
| nander | Pretty much the most northernly railway station in the world | 18:26 |
| nander | Apart from one strange stop in Russia | 18:26 |
| TMavica | the plan need change... | 18:26 |
| AL13N | can anyone help me to find a suitable power supply? | 18:26 |
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| AL13N | i have a intel-based atom board | 18:27 |
| AL13N | with an SSD | 18:27 |
| AL13N | that's all | 18:27 |
| Teemu | TMavica: the bus service in .fi is pretty good | 18:27 |
| nander | Take a 250W-ish thing? | 18:27 |
| nander | Teemu, just very infrequently? | 18:27 |
| Teemu | well it depends | 18:27 |
| nander | I mean, here it's unreliable, but the least frequent connections are hourly | 18:27 |
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| coderus | Teemu: tell more about bus trips pleaes | 18:27 |
| coderus | please* | 18:27 |
| nander | And the best thing is, bus distances here are short | 18:28 |
| AL13N | http://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=C2550D4I# | 18:28 |
| coderus | would it help save gas funds and time? | 18:28 |
| nander | Because busses are a poor replacement for trains | 18:28 |
| Teemu | coderus: matkahuolto.fi is owned by the individual bus companies and holds basically all the schedules | 18:28 |
| AL13N | i had a corsair powersupply... but i had power issues | 18:28 |
| Teemu | their interface sucks | 18:28 |
| AL13N | what's a good brand for powersupplys? | 18:28 |
| Teemu | you should try out matka.fi | 18:28 |
| nander | AL13N, corsair | 18:28 |
| AL13N | but, i had corsair CX450M | 18:29 |
| AL13N | and i had troubles with powersupply | 18:29 |
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| nander | Could just be bad luck | 18:29 |
| Nicd- | I have a corsair, had no problems | 18:29 |
| Teemu | perhaps you had not enough load for it | 18:29 |
| nander | be quiet is also quite nice | 18:29 |
| AL13N | the mobo sensors values were always fluctuating heavily | 18:30 |
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| nander | Could be a bad one | 18:30 |
| nander | Every company has misproductions | 18:30 |
| AL13N | getting the +3V out of bounds and started failing and hanging the system frequently | 18:30 |
| AL13N | nander: hmm, ok thenh | 18:30 |
| nander | Do you have an alternative PSU to test your mobo? | 18:30 |
| AL13N | should i get a lighter power supply? | 18:30 |
| AL13N | yes | 18:31 |
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| AL13N | i ripped one out of a backup pc | 18:31 |
| nander | I assume you did that test? | 18:31 |
| AL13N | and that didn't fail anymore | 18:31 |
| TMavica | take 5 hours bus from Rov to Inari...I give up now | 18:31 |
| nander | Did you put your 'failing one' in your backup PC as a test? | 18:31 |
| AL13N | no i didn't | 18:31 |
| nander | TMavica, distances in FI are huge, deal with it | 18:31 |
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| AL13N | at first i thought it was the mobo and sent it back for a replacement unit | 18:32 |
| Acce | TMavica: take the night train | 18:32 |
| AL13N | but when the replacement unit began to show the same symptoms... | 18:32 |
| nander | If you travel in december, any train is a night train | 18:32 |
| Teemu | Acce: train doesn't reach inari | 18:32 |
| Teemu | nander: true that | 18:32 |
| AL13N | but the symptoms stopped when i put in another PSU | 18:32 |
| nander | Just buy a new PSU then ;) | 18:32 |
| AL13N | yes | 18:32 |
| Acce | ah didn't notice he's heading from rov to inari | 18:32 |
| AL13N | that's what i'm doing now | 18:32 |
| TMavica | the problem is i only booked a hotel in Rov, but not in inari | 18:33 |
| AL13N | should i get a lighter one? | 18:33 |
| AL13N | or a heavier one? | 18:33 |
| nander | Not my area of expertise, sorry | 18:33 |
| AL13N | or the same? | 18:33 |
| Teemu | TMavica: rovaniemi is okay, i'm just being nitpicky :) | 18:33 |
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| Teemu | rovaniemi is also pretty small so getting out of light pollution area is easy | 18:33 |
| Teemu | just bring warm clothes | 18:33 |
| Shinryuu | hehe | 18:33 |
| Teemu | or, buy new warm stuff from .fi | 18:34 |
| Teemu | where are you from TMavica ? | 18:34 |
| Nicd- | I think it's funny that rovaniemi has a 24/7 sale but tampere doesn't :D | 18:34 |
| nander | I think (not 100% sure), the guideline for maximum stress of a PSU = 80% | 18:34 |
| Nicd- | sale being a small grocery store | 18:34 |
| nander | So your TDP of your entire PC shouldn't exceed 80% of your PSU power | 18:34 |
| Acce | Nicd-: power of tourism ;) | 18:34 |
| Teemu | Nicd-: sevettijärvi has 24/7 bar post office order alko service | 18:35 |
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| Teemu | not officially ofc but in practice the bar stays open as long as the customers want to | 18:35 |
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| nander | Post office? | 18:36 |
| nander | Lol | 18:36 |
| nander | These things are vanishing here | 18:36 |
| Teemu | nander: it's not a post office post office but asiamiesposti post office | 18:36 |
| TMavica | icebreaker need book? | 18:37 |
| nander | What is that? | 18:37 |
| Teemu | that happens to be at the local bar/grocerystore/thing | 18:37 |
| nander | lol | 18:37 |
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| coderus | basically i have two plans: | 18:37 |
| nander | It's nice to have something open 24/7 | 18:37 |
| Teemu | it's also a really super duper pretty place | 18:37 |
| coderus | 1. 28 Dec - 02 Jan in Helsinki | 18:37 |
| nander | That's kinda the problem here | 18:37 |
| coderus | 02 Jan - 10 Jan Car trip around Finland | 18:37 |
| nander | If you miss the last train, most railway stations here don't have heated waiting rooms | 18:38 |
| nander | And they probably kick you off the premisis | 18:38 |
| Teemu | if you ever saw Northern Exposure the tv show, it could be shot in sevettijärvi | 18:38 |
| nander | And most pubs etc. close around 3 AM | 18:38 |
| nander | So you have a gap of 4 hours | 18:38 |
| Teemu | nander: yes, that sucks bear balls in january | 18:38 |
| Teemu | it is really really cold | 18:38 |
| nander | It's the Netherlands | 18:38 |
| nander | So it's not extremely cold | 18:38 |
| nander | Well, the coldest night is still way too cold to stay outside | 18:38 |
| Teemu | as in: if you try to rest sitting on the ground you'll get hypothermia and die | 18:38 |
| nander | But that's -23C in rural areas | 18:39 |
| coderus | and second one is 26 Dec - 30 Dec Finland trip | 18:39 |
| coderus | 30 Dec - )1 Jan Helsinki | 18:39 |
| nander | -14 in cities | 18:39 |
| nander | Or something like that | 18:39 |
| coderus | 01 Jan - 6 Jan Finland trip | 18:39 |
| nander | But that's one night every 3 years or so | 18:39 |
| nander | Mostly it isn't really that cold here | 18:39 |
| nander | still too cold to sleep outside though | 18:39 |
| TMavica | coderus: car trip around finland? how many city you going to visited? | 18:39 |
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| nander | However, our railway company has a rule: if you made a proper planning using their planner and your journey didn't fail due to obvious errors from your side (not taking a connecting train but waiting) | 18:40 |
| nander | Then they will provide alternative transportation | 18:40 |
| nander | If you're lucky that means a 250 km cab drive | 18:40 |
| nander | At their expense | 18:41 |
| Acce | I don't know how you consider that lucky :D | 18:41 |
| Teemu | :D | 18:41 |
| nander | Well, if you fail, at least do it in a spectacular way | 18:41 |
| nander | You may even overtake the trian | 18:41 |
| nander | train* | 18:41 |
| nander | Mind you, driving by car here is a lot faster than by train | 18:41 |
| nander | 130 km/h max speed on roads | 18:42 |
| nander | Trains run at max 140 km/h | 18:42 |
| TMavica | my travel plan is: 21/12 - 26/12 in Rov, 26/12 - 4/1 Hel | 18:42 |
| Acce | not in winter | 18:42 |
| nander | Trains do stops on their way | 18:42 |
| Teemu | TMavica: where are you from, where do you live? | 18:42 |
| nander | Acce, in Dutch winters it doesn't really matter much | 18:42 |
| nander | The railways fail | 18:42 |
| nander | But the roads are very passable | 18:42 |
| TMavica | Teemu: Hong Kong, take 12 hours flight to there | 18:42 |
| TMavica | time | 18:42 |
| Teemu | ah okay | 18:42 |
| Teemu | forget the bring warm clothing thing then | 18:43 |
| Teemu | buy them from .fi | 18:43 |
| Acce | nander: sorry I'm failing with context today, didn't realize you were speaking about Netherlands ^^' | 18:43 |
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| nander | ;) | 18:43 |
| Teemu | hk idea of warm clothing for a cold night suits finnish summer very nicely | 18:43 |
| TMavica | lol | 18:43 |
| Teemu | no, really | 18:43 |
| nander | I'm going | 18:43 |
| TMavica | i already bought a North face | 18:43 |
| Teemu | i'm serious, you have no idea :) | 18:43 |
| nander | It's litterally like a freezer | 18:44 |
| Teemu | northern finland normal weather is worse than freezer | 18:44 |
| Teemu | THEN it is windy on top of that | 18:44 |
| Acce | well, even if you come with light clothing, you'll learn fast and make local shopkeepers happy | 18:44 |
| Teemu | north face makes nice gore tex jackets for summer | 18:45 |
| Teemu | when it's cold you need to dress in layers | 18:45 |
| Teemu | like ogres, ogres have layers | 18:45 |
| suosaaski | Teemu: It's kinda fun to see some people complain it is colder than they have ever had and they have like -5C, at the same time having -30C and windy outside :) | 18:46 |
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| Teemu | suosaaski :) | 18:46 |
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| Nicd- | I've done some C++ programming in -32°X | 18:47 |
| Nicd- | -32°C | 18:47 |
| Teemu | i'd like to see programming in -32K | 18:47 |
| Acce | lol | 18:47 |
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| Nicd- | I'd like to see anything at -32K | 18:48 |
| Teemu | anyway TMavica and coderus most cities in .fi are small enough to walk out of light pollution area | 18:48 |
| suosaaski | Of course, on the other hand, they think +25C is normal and I'm like "holy shit it's hot, I'm staying inside until the weather is something that a living organism doesn't boil in" | 18:48 |
| Teemu | Nicd-: programming is anything, so yes | 18:48 |
| Acce | not as good as you, but programming mcu in C at skijump ramp when it's raining: http://foximity.net/kaikkea/2014-09-25%2011.31.39.jpg | 18:49 |
| Teemu | suosaaski: :) yes, in hospitalityclub settings i remember some people from india complain about the cold nights in finnish august when all the natives were going naked because it was so warm | 18:49 |
| Nicd- | Acce: hey, I know you! | 18:50 |
| Teemu | as in, not bothering to dress any five hours post sauna since it was just warm enough to drink beer naked on a terrace | 18:50 |
| Acce | Nicd-: from tampere dev meetings? | 18:50 |
| TMavica | I will go Tampere | 18:51 |
| coderus | TMavica: http://goo.gl/6FQlDA | 18:51 |
| Teemu | are you from 5w? | 18:51 |
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| Acce | I did visit 5w somewhat regularly in spring.. now it has been too busy in the autumn | 18:51 |
| Nicd- | Acce: from technomonster university | 18:51 |
| TMavica | coderus: driving will so tired... | 18:52 |
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| Acce | hopefully spring will be better wrt. free time | 18:52 |
| TMavica | coderus: and how many room you booked if you travel like this? | 18:52 |
| Teemu | coderus are you from russia then? | 18:54 |
| coderus | TemeV: what about bus prices? | 18:54 |
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| coderus | sorry, Teemu | 18:55 |
| Acce | Nicd-: hmm where have you seen me there? around Ttalo I guess? | 18:55 |
| Nicd- | coderus: you can check bus timetables and prices here: http://www.matkahuolto.info/lippu/en/ | 18:55 |
| Nicd- | Acce: at school, yep | 18:55 |
| Teemu | so we have guys from tut.fi but not from aalto.fi? | 18:56 |
| TMavica | coderus: I prefer take public transport, so you can see the sight around and take photo | 18:56 |
| Nicd- | Teemu: I know some here from a?a!lto=?! too | 18:57 |
| TMavica | drive car, you will tired and lost way, LOL | 18:57 |
| Acce | We really should arrange some sailfish dev meetup again | 18:57 |
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| coderus | 27 euro one ticket o_O | 18:58 |
| TMavica | I think have day pass of that?? | 18:59 |
| just4info | Acce, let's make it in austria? | 18:59 |
| coderus | Acce: yeah, please in 28 Dec - 10 Jan :D | 18:59 |
| TMavica | 26/12 - 4/1 | 18:59 |
| coderus | My Finland trip route: http://goo.gl/6FQlDA | 19:00 |
| Shinryuu | welcome to Finland | 19:00 |
| TMavica | let me date marc for a meal | 19:00 |
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| Nicd- | coderus: public transit in finland is pretty expensive (between cities) | 19:01 |
| Shinryuu | what are you going to do in Finland? | 19:01 |
| sharpneli | coderus: If you're driving that just think: 1.7¤ per liter of gasoline ;) | 19:02 |
| coderus | Hehe, traveling by car cheaper :D | 19:02 |
| Shinryuu | ^ | 19:02 |
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| coderus | sharpneli: yep, just calculated | 19:02 |
| Acce | coderus: hmm I'm not sure if I'm in FInland at that time :( but you can of course have the meeting without me | 19:02 |
| TMavica | coderus: you will lose way | 19:02 |
| Shinryuu | I live near Oulu | 19:02 |
| coderus | TMavica: no GPS coverage in Finland? :O | 19:02 |
| TMavica | it is troublesome | 19:02 |
| coderus | TMavica: rreally? you driving a car? :D | 19:02 |
| Nicd- | gasoline is actually 1.6 € or lower now I think | 19:02 |
| TMavica | no, i take public transport | 19:03 |
| Nicd- | biogas would be significantly cheaper :) | 19:03 |
| coderus | TMavica: driving and navigation is very easy :D | 19:03 |
| locusf | oh you are driving through Kuopio :) | 19:03 |
| coderus | i want to cover as much as i can | 19:03 |
| Teemu | you live in viipuri? | 19:03 |
| TMavica | drive me then, I pay u transport fee, LOL | 19:04 |
| Acce | just4info: hmm Austria is bit far for me :D but it'd be cool if we had some kind of over-the-net-joint event | 19:04 |
| wazd | hello all | 19:04 |
| Teemu | TMavica: that makes sense, combined trip through finland | 19:04 |
| Teemu | you cold make it a #jollamobile event like setok did with traveling salesman thing | 19:04 |
| coderus | TMavica: dont know :) | 19:05 |
| coderus | TMavica: will think ;) | 19:05 |
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| just4info | Acce, i did clearly propose Austria without any personal interest, kanguroos and stuff, you know? :P | 19:05 |
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| coderus | locusf: i will be glad if someone can meet me in these cities with hot tea and stories, route suggestions and etc :) | 19:05 |
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| Acce | just4info: mmm wouldn't kangaroos be Australia :) | 19:06 |
| Teemu | coderus: i'm in vihti near helsinki | 19:06 |
| just4info | Acce, ahh an over-the-net event, sounded more like you want a convention | 19:06 |
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| locusf | coderus: I don't have a drivers license so don't know about the routew but tea and stories can do :) | 19:07 |
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| TMavica | coderus: from now, how many room u booked? | 19:07 |
| Acce | just4info: yeah, offline meeting also, but that's probably for people around Finland | 19:08 |
| just4info | Acce, nope, kangaroos are obviously in austria, one is currently sitting next to me. In australia it's a way too cold for them ;) | 19:08 |
| coderus | locusf: well, just info about roads, weather and cool stuff we can visit on the way i mean :)) | 19:09 |
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| locusf | coderus: sure :) | 19:09 |
| coderus | TMavica: nothing yet | 19:09 |
| coderus | still not sure about dates | 19:10 |
| coderus | and where to live :D | 19:10 |
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| coderus | locusf: good :) | 19:10 |
| coderus | will post detailed info about trip in the middle-end Dec | 19:10 |
| TMavica | ....time is going | 19:10 |
| entil | so I just registered to the textsecure mailing list and posted a bunch of questions regarding websockets etc needed for developing a client | 19:10 |
| entil | dunno when I'll get to work on the qt5 client library again, but the next step should be pretty easy | 19:11 |
| just4info | Acce, too bad, i doubt that anyone of the poor students here (including me) got a chance to meet in Finland, well maybe it's possible after we got our TOH projects ready for kickstarter :) | 19:11 |
| coderus | TMavica: it's why i'm asking here now :) | 19:11 |
| TMavica | it is not easy to book a room | 19:12 |
| coderus | maybe some hostel rooms in Helsinki for a rent? | 19:12 |
| TMavica | budget?? | 19:14 |
| coderus | 20-25 per day | 19:15 |
| coderus | btw, full trip route: http://goo.gl/WsGRjU | 19:16 |
| Nicd- | now that we're speaking of roadtrips, here's one I want to make :) http://her.is/uLyono | 19:16 |
| friese | uuh, finland-trip? really wanted to do that this year - maybe 2015 :) | 19:16 |
| TMavica | 20 -25 euro!? | 19:16 |
| Nicd- | coderus: you're gonna drive 6 000 kilometers to finland?! | 19:17 |
| coderus | Nicd-: yes | 19:17 |
| coderus | TMavica: yes, what wrong? | 19:17 |
| TMavica | you not take plane!? | 19:17 |
| coderus | TMavica: ? | 19:17 |
| TMavica | driving from russia to finland? | 19:18 |
| coderus | TMavica: yes | 19:18 |
| TMavica | ... | 19:18 |
| TMavica | you are the man | 19:18 |
| entil | coderus: where are you in russia? :O | 19:18 |
| coderus | its 3000 one side | 19:18 |
| coderus | entil: Chelyabinsk | 19:18 |
| entil | sounds like the chinese border | 19:18 |
| coderus | 3000 km from me to finland | 19:18 |
| friese | i'd like to do that from germany, problem is if you don't want to travel by ferry you need to travel from germany to russia and then on to finland :) | 19:19 |
| coderus | entil: check link http://goo.gl/WsGRjU | 19:19 |
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| entil | coderus: ok, not exactly chinese border yet ;) | 19:20 |
| TMavica | how much time from your location to finland by car...? | 19:20 |
| friese | humm, with ferry it's 1700km to tampere, not as far as i thought... | 19:20 |
| Sail0r | why don't you fly and take a car their | 19:20 |
| coderus | from Chelyabinsk to finland border: http://goo.gl/QodoYB | 19:21 |
| tuomasjj1asanen | friese: Germany -> Denmark -> Sweden -> Finland ;) | 19:21 |
| coderus | Sail0r: plane is too expensive :) | 19:21 |
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| friese | denmark -> sweden works without ferry? didn't know that :) | 19:22 |
| Sail0r | not more expensive then so many gas | 19:22 |
| tadzik | planes are super annoying | 19:22 |
| tuomasjj1asanen | friese: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%98resund_Bridge | 19:22 |
| tadzik | well, the whole airport security bullshit and all that | 19:22 |
| entil | now I got addicted to the street vew of chelyabinsk | 19:22 |
| friese | hmm, almost 8km of bridge - nice, didn't know that exists :) | 19:22 |
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| entil | kopeysk, chelyabinsk oblast | 19:22 |
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| just4info | tadzik, try to bring your soldering equipment to an airport, i'm sure you'll be asked funny questions :) | 19:23 |
| coderus | Sail0r: more | 19:23 |
| sharpneli | coderus: Holy... You're driving all the way? | 19:23 |
| friese | humm, went to an airport with my toughbook rugged laptop once... got almost every test the customs officers had to offer :) | 19:23 |
| tadzik | just4info: yeah, that's one of the things :) | 19:24 |
| coderus | sharpneli: yes | 19:24 |
| just4info | tadzik, i worked on a hardware project once, and built it into a suitcase to keep it portable, i wouldn't have gone for thousand bucks even near an airport, not nowadays :P | 19:26 |
| tadzik | heh, well, you can always have it as a checked-in luggage | 19:26 |
| tadzik | I wondered what's the minimal size of that, when I was thinking about buying a swiss army knife | 19:26 |
| TMavica | coderus: you driving lamborghini?? | 19:27 |
| just4info | tadzik, why are there blinking status lights? why are there that many cables? is this realy a battery pack? is this a bomb?....^^ | 19:27 |
| tadzik | just4info: I'm considering setting goatse or something similar as my wallpaper for all these "please open your laptop" situations | 19:27 |
| entil | coderus: chelyabinsk looks real beautiful | 19:29 |
| just4info | tadzik, better show them a login screen to your crypted harddrive...chances are good that you'll drag home a trojan the other way... | 19:29 |
| coderus | if you're interested this is my last trip i made by car: http://goo.gl/pW8Ptp | 19:29 |
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| entil | found the airport and all | 19:29 |
| entil | coderus: what car do you drive? | 19:30 |
| tadzik | just4info: nah, they never look that far inside | 19:30 |
| coderus | entil: if you remove all garbage from the streets yes, it's attractive city. but it's russia and garbage is everywhere you look. | 19:30 |
| coderus | entil: TMavica: driving Ford Fusion :) | 19:30 |
| entil | coderus: didn't really see that, just noticed that I spent a lot of time as a kid driving through places like that in central helsinki | 19:30 |
| entil | central FINLAND | 19:30 |
| entil | damnit :D | 19:30 |
| entil | and any picture of summer is nice in this weather :| | 19:31 |
| sharpneli | Yes. entil's car is a legend. | 19:31 |
| TMavica | I guess is either Lamborghini or Ferrai... | 19:31 |
| entil | sharpneli: haha, haven't had a car in years, but it all started with my parents' opel kadett of 1984... | 19:31 |
| just4info | tadzik, if i recall it right there were cases where computers got magically infected during duty checks | 19:31 |
| just4info | tadzik, that's where they found the first cases of state-trojans | 19:32 |
| tadzik | just4info: well, I've never seen them doing anything more than just glancing at the screen an keyboard to see if it's indeed a laptop. Even TSA | 19:32 |
| TMavica | coderus: if yours car sudden out of order when going to finland.... | 19:32 |
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| friese | hmm.. furthest i've ever driven on car: http://goo.gl/0nrY6c not that far really :) | 19:33 |
| coderus | TMavica: car going to full service before my trips :) | 19:33 |
| entil | no idea about the ford fusion but it sounds modern enough that it'll probably make the trip :P and if it's not new, it's got to be well-maintained | 19:33 |
| just4info | tadzik, when i first heared that they want you to turn your computers/phones on my first thought was: cool, means they can index them :P | 19:34 |
| tadzik | just4info: I think you're being paranoid :) | 19:34 |
| tadzik | or rather: unneceserilly paranoid | 19:34 |
| just4info | tadzik, released yesterday: http://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/regin-top-tier-espionage-tool-enables-stealthy-surveillance?SID=skim66960X1514734Xb6e35e86828ca765e32b555d073c9abe&API1=100&API2=7596969&cjid=7596969 | 19:35 |
| tadzik | too long, didn't click | 19:35 |
| tadzik | screen not wide enough :) | 19:35 |
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| just4info | tadzik, http://tinyurl.com/n5f6d35 | 19:36 |
| tadzik | thank you | 19:36 |
| just4info | yw | 19:36 |
| tadzik | well, I don't see how that changes the airport situation in any way :) | 19:37 |
| coderus | entil: yep, very well maintained, aind it's 2008 production | 19:37 |
| just4info | tadzik, by chance you speak german? in this case i could link you to the airport situation :) | 19:37 |
| friese | humm... my car gets 21 next year :) | 19:37 |
| coderus | TMavica: you gong to north before new year? | 19:37 |
| coderus | going* | 19:37 |
| just4info | tadzik, anyways, read through the previouse link, pretty interesting, sounds like they discovered a new "stuxnet" | 19:38 |
| TMavica | coderus: yes | 19:39 |
| TMavica | 26/12 - 4/1 in HEL | 19:39 |
| coderus | we're plaing to travel north finland after new year | 19:39 |
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| coderus | new year in helsinki and then traveling most part of fin | 19:41 |
| TMavica | new year in Hel is a must | 19:41 |
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| coderus | yse | 19:42 |
| coderus | yes* | 19:42 |
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| TMavica | I have a question, will the transport or shop closed during chritmas period?? | 19:42 |
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| coderus | so look: in helsinki before 4 Jan, and then week for traveling finland | 19:42 |
| sharpneli | Is there something Jolla related happening on new year? | 19:43 |
| coderus | sharpneli: i wanna know that also :) | 19:43 |
| TMavica | coderus: so we can celebrate together, LOL | 19:43 |
| entil | I can't make it on new year's eve but really interested in a meetup if something's happening on the other days | 19:44 |
| coderus | TMavica: ure, if you join you can save my budget a lot :) | 19:44 |
| TMavica | I can invite you a dinner if you come, LOL | 19:44 |
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| coderus | TMavica: you cook some chinese food? :D | 19:45 |
| TMavica | I dont know how cook, also not chinese food in finland i think | 19:45 |
| TMavica | no chinese food | 19:46 |
| raa700_ | basically whole finland is closed 24th-26th | 19:46 |
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| Acce | except ABC | 19:47 |
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| Stskeeps | and don't even think about buying alcohol after 9pm.. | 19:47 |
| VDVsx | also January 1 and 6 | 19:47 |
| coderus | TMavica: i have roommate from china, he cooked a lot of china dishes in Chelyabinsk very well ;) | 19:48 |
| TMavica | raa700_: how about transport? | 19:48 |
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| coderus | TMavica: i had rommate ofc.* | 19:49 |
| VDVsx | they should run on Sunday time tables in the cities | 19:49 |
| coderus | in past :) | 19:49 |
| TMavica | I dont have time learn cooking, LOL | 19:49 |
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| TMavica | Stskeeps: will you in finland that period? | 19:50 |
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| Stskeeps | heck no | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:51 |
| TMavica | you will own me a meal, man | 19:51 |
| coderus | sure, why sitting home :D | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | i'll probably be on vacation and relaxing :P | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | i try to avoid december in finland | 19:51 |
| coderus | thats what i mean :) | 19:52 |
| Morpog_PC | vacation is a codeword for even more work :D | 19:52 |
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| lpotter | I always seem to do connectivity testing when I holiday... | 19:53 |
| coderus | when i'm in finland i want to visit jolla and install u12 on my device :P | 19:54 |
| TMavica | coderus: probably it is closed | 19:56 |
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| japa-fi | I'm about to purchase cheap jolla (€249). Do I need to purchase separate "the other half"? | 20:12 |
| tadzik | no | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | comes with a standard white one | 20:12 |
| japa-fi | Ah, ok. | 20:13 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: no more aloe free toh? :( | 20:13 |
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| Morpog_PC | coderus, the guy who gave the code got the aloe cover, not the buyer | 20:15 |
| * Morpog_PC got a free aloe cover :D | 20:15 | |
| swift110_ | hello all | 20:17 |
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| japa-fi | Now I've done it. Total impulse purchase: Jolla. | 20:23 |
| TMavica | coderus: I can sell one for u, i purchase in HK | 20:23 |
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| Bysmyyr_ | japa-fi: \o/ | 20:24 |
| japa-fi | Though I already know what I'll be missing from my N900: The FM transmitter. | 20:24 |
| tadzik | oh yes | 20:24 |
| japa-fi | But on the other hand, I can leave my N900 to my car as my car mediaplayer/source. | 20:24 |
| japa-fi | It's the only place I use the FM transmitter.. | 20:24 |
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| swift110_ | really | 20:30 |
| * stephg could do with a new aloe cover, wore it by far the most, and they crack | 20:30 | |
| stephg | ho hum, will just have to buy another one :) | 20:31 |
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| tadzik | heh, mine just got loose at the bottom | 20:31 |
| stephg | my 3d printed one got loose, but non of the officials | 20:32 |
| tadzik | I guess that's what happens when, in the spirit of true nokia tradition you remove the back cover by ripping it apart from the phone | 20:32 |
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| louisdk | Are there a question on together.jolla.com regarding the Jolla Phone and future support? :) | 20:57 |
| swift110_ | hmm | 20:58 |
| swift110_ | im downloading jolla sdk for linux and wondows | 20:58 |
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| Stskeeps | louisdk: https://together.jolla.com/question/63989/jolla-tablet-sailfishos-2-what-about-update-9/#post-id-64196 | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | louisdk: we aren't (yet) putting out another phone and all of us developers use jolla1 phone.. we would have a rebellion on our hands if we didn't support it | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | or in sailor terms, a mutiny | 21:00 |
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| louisdk | Stskeeps, my question is more about updates in 1 year or more. People are still buying the device today and I'm afraid it would be too low speced to still get updates in a year. Also my big concern is about future TOH compatibility. I really don't know if it's safe to buy the TOHKBD. It's not cheap and I don't want to own expensive if it's for an outdated phone. | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | louisdk: i don't think low speeced will be the problem | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | i've ran sailfishos on a alcatel one touch fire.. performance isn't the problem | 21:05 |
| kimmoli | ohm, http://www.talklikeapirate.com/ | 21:05 |
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| VDVsx | perfect for next Jolla party :P | 21:07 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: O.o a mutiny... that's make the whole thing complete, wouldn't it | 21:07 |
| louisdk | Stskeeps, hope so. Should people buying TOH accessories worry about compatibility with future phones? | 21:08 |
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| Stskeeps | louisdk: not in a position to really say yes or no to that.. | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | also because i don't know | 21:08 |
| AL13N | otoh, the TOH specification looks pretty good and extensible to me... it would make no sense if in the future jolla would make a new phone (IF) and they wouldn't use the same TOH's ? | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | i've myself bought a TOHKBD. | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | or pledged, rather | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | so | 21:09 |
| louisdk | Stskeeps, okay thx. Will create a tjc ticket then :) | 21:10 |
| svuorela | is the TOHKBD guy hanging around in here ? | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | dirkvl, kimmoli and wazd? | 21:11 |
| svuorela | oh. | 21:11 |
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| * stephg just got handed chocolate cake | 21:11 | |
| louisdk | svuorela, there's an irc channel called #jollatohkbd for TOHKBD questions :) | 21:12 |
| kimmoli | svuorela: guilty | 21:12 |
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| svuorela | kimmoli: are you also involved in the blinking led toh ? | 21:13 |
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| kimmoli | LeTOH , yes | 21:14 |
| svuorela | kimmoli: if I order one today, when do you ship? - and by which company do you ship ? | 21:14 |
| kimmoli | those will be shipped from Holland by dirk. we are waiting for the assembled pcbs to arrive | 21:15 |
| * svuorela have had enough for a while of recieving stuff with fedex | 21:15 | |
| kimmoli | :) | 21:16 |
| kimmoli | standard post | 21:16 |
| svuorela | interesting. maybe I should try one while I wait for the keyboard | 21:16 |
| kimmoli | have toholed already ? :) | 21:17 |
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| svuorela | no | 21:17 |
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| kimmoli | there are still plenty available, few for shipping before xmas | 21:20 |
| kimmoli | so if someone knows someone who has everything (inc jolla) would make nice present :) | 21:21 |
| svuorela | I was considering a present for the person I see in the mirror. | 21:21 |
| kimmoli | oo | 21:22 |
| kimmoli | usually those presents are the best ones.. | 21:22 |
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| kimmoli | and not "plastic egg-shaped thingie that you place to kettle with eggs, and it shows how well they are cooked" | 21:23 |
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| louisdk | In which situations would you use a tablet rather than a smartphone/computer? | 21:26 |
| svuorela | louisdk: youtubing in bed. | 21:26 |
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| HtheB | coderus: ping | 21:27 |
| Tegu | svuorela: who are you stalking with that periscope? | 21:27 |
| svuorela | Tegu: with what periscope? | 21:27 |
| Tegu | the one with the mirrors | 21:28 |
| svuorela | Tegu: oh. only some hot dude. | 21:28 |
| Tegu | already buying presents and all :) | 21:29 |
| svuorela | sometimes he even sleeps in my bed. | 21:30 |
| svuorela | and talking about bed and sleeping... | 21:30 |
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| Tegu | nice, have a good night ;) | 21:31 |
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| coderus | is there something CHEAP in Finland? | 21:45 |
| coderus | And what present you want as present from me from Russia? | 21:45 |
| sharpneli | Nothing is cheap in finland. | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | +1 | 21:48 |
| TemeV | well, electricity and mobile plans are reasonably priced, but I don't think it is of interest for traveller :D | 21:49 |
| wazd | With current EUR/RUR ratio I'm not sure I'll spot any difference :D | 21:49 |
| sharpneli | Oh yeah. Internet connections are cheap as #%%"#? | 21:49 |
| sharpneli | 350mbps for 60e per month | 21:49 |
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| TemeV | quite expensive, I've 100/100 for 16EUR/month | 21:50 |
| sharpneli | Yeah. I kinda went for the "Give me faster!" path. But internationally it's still quite cheap | 21:50 |
| wazd | yeah, but it's 360 | 21:50 |
| TemeV | well, actually now that I recalculate, it's quite the same price | 21:50 |
| wazd | 350* | 21:50 |
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| MSameer | coderus: tap water :P | 22:02 |
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| TemeV | Oh yeah, water is usually free in bars and many restaurants | 22:05 |
| TemeV | something I missed in Germany | 22:06 |
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| FireFly | It's so hard to wrap your head around the concept of bottled still water when you're used to just drinking from the tap | 22:07 |
| FireFly | At least to me | 22:08 |
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| TemeV | Well, in Germany tap water was ok, so I just drank that | 22:08 |
| TemeV | But locals really liked their bottled still water | 22:08 |
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| Ezko | i've never bought bottled water in finland | 22:16 |
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| sharpneli | I have. For car trips etc. And then I reuse the bottle for a week or so. | 22:18 |
| Ezko | i always have empty soda bottles that i use for water | 22:19 |
| sharpneli | I don't really drink small bottles of soda so that's the prime reason. | 22:19 |
| sharpneli | Otherwise I'd naturally use those. | 22:20 |
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| swift110_ | lol | 22:22 |
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| Ezko | sharpneli: use a big bottle | 22:26 |
| Ezko | boooooom | 22:26 |
| swift110_ | ok | 22:28 |
| sharpneli | Annoying to carry :p | 22:28 |
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| swift110_ | yes | 22:29 |
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