| tigeli | yes! | 00:00 |
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| tigeli | I have always wanted this! | 00:00 |
| pavi | and since dunp mentions openwrt he gets special attention | 00:00 |
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| dunp | and tor server, bitcoind.. | 00:01 |
| pavi | And guys has the mitakulu situation improved ? | 00:01 |
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| pavi | dunp, they will ignore you if you add too many terms | 00:01 |
| tigeli | tor.. it's nice that it has exit nodes which are nowadays modifying data | 00:01 |
| tigeli | like adding viruses/worms into executables ;) | 00:02 |
| pahartik | tigeli: I have had similar problem but opposite case on "Jolla Mobile", sometimes system prompts to choose internet connection between mobile network and 802.11 network... However, I do not plan on enabling 802.11 network | 00:02 |
| dunp | not if use https.. | 00:02 |
| tigeli | dunp: well.. people and self-signed certs.. :( | 00:03 |
| pavi | pahartik, I think it will ask you only if there is a "saved netowrk" | 00:03 |
| tigeli | pahartik: yeah, it will show the 802.11 if it exists in the system, even it is disabled as selecting it would power it up | 00:04 |
| pavi | tigeli, dunp nothing could stop those idiots from spying. Imagine them getting into hardware random number generators , certificate , even an attempt on linux kernel | 00:04 |
| tigeli | anyway, we are working on it to make the connection popup to behave better | 00:04 |
| dunp | wpa2 and lot of gpu power.. hmm gnu radio support to jolla :) | 00:05 |
| pavi | I +1ed the issue | 00:06 |
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| pavi | tigeli, sure its coming in next update ? I use maps a lot in doors :P | 00:06 |
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| tigeli | pavi: yes, if you mean the starting maps + connection popup.. | 00:07 |
| pavi | tigeli, ahh then its cool. | 00:07 |
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| pavi | Now my only issue is the goddamn whatsapp thingy which every random guy keeps asking me about | 00:07 |
| pavi | will it run whatsapp ? | 00:07 |
| pavi | I got my jolla phone like 2 days back and I learnt that all of you guys have enjoyed whatsapp with mitakululu sailfish native UI | 00:08 |
| tigeli | pavi: https://github.com/nemomobile/connectionagent/commit/560c93d1e871bc09dda35939d6fdbe662f410928 | 00:08 |
| tigeli | pavi: made the fix already in August | 00:08 |
| pavi | And now getting stuck with that android junk is irritating | 00:08 |
| pahartik | tigeli: Acknowledged | 00:08 |
| tigeli | pavi: personally I have the official whatsapp running on my jolla | 00:08 |
| pavi | tigeli, awesome :) I need to start digging a bit deep. | 00:08 |
| pavi | by official you mean the "android" one | 00:09 |
| pavi | I hate android | 00:09 |
| tigeli | yeah.. the official android one | 00:09 |
| pavi | thats the reason I bought a jolla phone | 00:09 |
| tigeli | pavi: the problem with mitakuuluu is that you can get your account banned by whatsapp | 00:09 |
| pavi | And running alien dalvik is not so healthy for the phone | 00:09 |
| tigeli | pavi: like with any other non-official whatsapp-client | 00:09 |
| tigeli | it is in their eula.. | 00:10 |
| dunp | any idea to make warpper to whatsapp? | 00:10 |
| pavi | I was using a non offcial client on firefox os | 00:10 |
| pavi | https://github.com/loqui/im | 00:10 |
| pavi | I wish they start allowing firefox apps to run on sailfish | 00:10 |
| tigeli | pavi: I'm not saying that mitakuuluu would not work, just that you might get banned by using it | 00:11 |
| pavi | it wouldnt be much of a hassle | 00:11 |
| dunp | to run it in sandbox.. sandbox capture input and output for it.. and convert it to "mitakuuluu"? | 00:11 |
| pavi | tigeli, I obviously dont wanna be banned after having so many contacts in the list | 00:11 |
| tigeli | dunp: I guess coderus has been pretty much doing that | 00:11 |
| tigeli | pavi: it would be nice to get native supported whatsapp from whatsapp :) | 00:12 |
| pavi | If they support https://together.jolla.com/question/1020/support-for-firefox-os-apps/ then loqui is good | 00:12 |
| dunp | running whatsup inside sandbox.. only native gui to it..? | 00:12 |
| pavi | tigeli, I would rather prefer that they dont ban mitakulu | 00:12 |
| * pahartik does not have use for 802.11 until possibly after it can be used as Bluetooth AMP | 00:13 | |
| tigeli | me too.. but it's their service and they do what they like | 00:13 |
| pavi | Whatsapp native client might have lot of spy softwar ein it | 00:13 |
| pavi | or some junk for ads | 00:13 |
| tigeli | +can | 00:13 |
| tigeli | true | 00:13 |
| dunp | and large | 00:13 |
| tigeli | well I wouldn't trust the whole service either | 00:13 |
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| dunp | mutäkuuluu and pgp support :) | 00:14 |
| tigeli | that could work :) | 00:14 |
| pavi | tigeli, I bet none of the people in this channel trust whatsapp . we are only dragged into it because of network effect | 00:14 |
| tigeli | hehe | 00:15 |
| pavi | I keep explaining to my non geeky friends | 00:15 |
| juhaj | cryorat: Only cli? I don't understand. OpenVPN has no user interface at all. | 00:15 |
| pavi | I convinced my entire house mates to shift to telegram | 00:15 |
| pavi | they did shift | 00:15 |
| juhaj | ninnnu: Opera Mobile is #1 reason I run out of battery on the N9, so missing that may not be bad at all ;) | 00:15 |
| pavi | but others just excluded me and are collaborating as a group | 00:15 |
| tigeli | juhaj: openvpn works | 00:15 |
| tigeli | juhaj: but there is no ui yet for it | 00:16 |
| tigeli | juhaj: so you would need to manage it through fingerterm | 00:16 |
| tigeli | or there might be in openrepos | 00:16 |
| cryorat | juhaj, i thougth you mean app with gui | 00:16 |
| juhaj | stephg: I only ever used NFC to unlock the extra levels in Angry Birds, so that's ok. 5 GHz wireless is a real loss: I would need to set up another wifi at home; amoled screen... uncertain if I'd notice the difference but maybe. All in all, does not seem a bad list of losses | 00:17 |
| tigeli | juhaj: https://openrepos.net/content/korppi/securefishnet | 00:17 |
| pavi | I have no grudge against jolla or sailfish but coming from firefox os I miss the browser :( Though both are gecko rendering | 00:17 |
| juhaj | cryorat: How can there be a gui for a program which is not interactive at all? | 00:17 |
| pavi | Why cant sailfish just port firefox and run it natively , why the heck should some one run androids firefox is just beyond me | 00:18 |
| tigeli | pavi: https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/tree/master/design | 00:18 |
| tigeli | juhaj: gui for mgt-purposes | 00:19 |
| pavi | tigeli, so with that pictures I will navigate better ? | 00:19 |
| tigeli | pavi: maybe :D | 00:19 |
| juhaj | tigeli: Oh, so it creates config-files on the fly for different servers or ..? | 00:19 |
| tigeli | juhaj: haven't tested.. :) just pointed out that there is something like that, I personally manage it through fingerterm ;) | 00:20 |
| pavi | tigeli, by the way thanks to some good people in maemo forum I was able to change search engine to duckduckgo . | 00:20 |
| cryorat | juhaj, passwd promt for example (if you have a protected cert) | 00:20 |
| tigeli | pavi: yeah, duckduckgo is not yet available by default in the settings | 00:21 |
| pavi | tigeli, look at this funny pic https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/blob/master/design/sailfish-browser-15-2.jpg even the devels of sailfish browser wants to download firefox :D | 00:21 |
| juhaj | tigeli: On N9 I have it always on. By default it will retry every 5 sec if the connection is down. Hence it is almost instantly on if there is a connection available. Haven't needed to manage it much that way. ;) | 00:21 |
| tigeli | juhaj: well, you can make systemd.service for the openvpn which would retry on failures.. quite easy to do. :) | 00:22 |
| juhaj | tigeli: Why? Openvpn does that on its own (unless it's been configured not to do it) | 00:22 |
| tigeli | juhaj: well.. you don't need to :D | 00:23 |
| juhaj | tigeli: ;) | 00:23 |
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| tigeli | juhaj: but with systemd it would be manageable ;) | 00:23 |
| tigeli | but yeah.. openvpn works | 00:23 |
| juhaj | Sounds like it does indeed. I wonder what else I consider crucial that I do not know yet if it works or not… Google calendar sync with multiple "subscribed" calendars? | 00:24 |
| tigeli | juhaj: and now jolla is 249e again on the shop.jolla.com :) | 00:24 |
| juhaj | (I need my team's calendars on my mobile, no way I can properly function without) | 00:24 |
| juhaj | tigeli: That's why I'm contemplating! ;) | 00:25 |
| tigeli | iirc it won't work with multiple calendars.. let me check if I can see my wifes calendar | 00:25 |
| juhaj | tigeli: You'll need to enable the dav-interface of subscribed calendars on the web, you always had to, even on N9 and Android (I think) | 00:25 |
| juhaj | Can't remember where to do that, though... | 00:25 |
| tigeli | juhaj: through google-account.. nope, but through dav it should be possible, however I haven't tested it | 00:26 |
| juhaj | https://www.google.com/calendar/syncselect | 00:27 |
| juhaj | That's where you need to enable it if you want non-default calendars on mobiles | 00:27 |
| tigeli | yeah.. I don't have her cal enabled :) | 00:27 |
| tigeli | but we do support calDav :) | 00:28 |
| juhaj | And since I find that link under the subject "Sync your Google Account with an Android device" I presume you always need to go there to do it | 00:29 |
| juhaj | Ok. I suppose it will work. I'll come complain to you if it does not! ;) | 00:29 |
| tigeli | hehe | 00:30 |
| juhaj | Now I think I need some sleep… | 00:30 |
| tigeli | i should do that too | 00:30 |
| lpotter | me too | 00:30 |
| tigeli | lpotter: you just woke up?-) | 00:30 |
| lpotter | no, but it's nearly nap time! | 00:31 |
| tigeli | lpotter: btw. did you notice that australia & canada is now enabled for the tablet as shipping country | 00:31 |
| lpotter | indeed I did | 00:31 |
| tigeli | :) | 00:31 |
| lpotter | \0/ | 00:31 |
| lpotter | good thing too because I was one of the first :) | 00:32 |
| tigeli | hehe, yeah I saw your name on there :) | 00:32 |
| tigeli | I was also fast with it | 00:33 |
| lpotter | otherwise it would have gone through my US address | 00:33 |
| lpotter | now I can finally experience sailfishos :) | 00:33 |
| tigeli | but, now.. I will go and try to keep the bed still. | 00:34 |
| tigeli | it's really hard.. you have to lie on it | 00:34 |
| tigeli | ;) | 00:34 |
| tigeli | gnight | 00:34 |
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| Timo | Does anyone have XMPP here? Whatsapp just blocked me, so I registered, but now I've no one to chat with so I've no idea whether it works or not. :P | 08:14 |
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| ryukafalz | Timo: yep, I've got XMPP. need to test? | 08:19 |
| Timo | Hmm, got to go now actually, but if you could send your ID in a query, yes please! | 08:19 |
| ryukafalz | gotcha - sent | 08:20 |
| ryukafalz | it's 3 AM where I am so I won't be awake much longer, but I'll get to it when I get to it :P | 08:20 |
| AL13N | i got some XMPP, but what server is it | 08:21 |
| AL13N | ? | 08:21 |
| Timo | Sure, I'll prolly won't send any messages before 5 P.M. GMT+1 so... ;) | 08:21 |
| ryukafalz | idk which one he's on, I'm self hosting haha | 08:21 |
| AL13N | oic | 08:21 |
| Timo | AL13N: no-sense.net. | 08:22 |
| AL13N | mine is a gtalk oldstyle xmpp, it seems to work still | 08:22 |
| AL13N | i didn't know xmpp could be done cross-server | 08:22 |
| ryukafalz | that's one of the biggest draws of XMPP haha | 08:22 |
| AL13N | for real | 08:22 |
| ryukafalz | gtalk is ugly though | 08:22 |
| AL13N | i don't use gtalk | 08:23 |
| AL13N | i use pidgin with XMPP | 08:23 |
| ryukafalz | ...with gtalk servers? :P | 08:23 |
| AL13N | >_> | 08:23 |
| AL13N | so, can i test this crosserver thingie? | 08:23 |
| ryukafalz | I bailed when they started "upgrading" people to hangouts | 08:23 |
| AL13N | yeah | 08:23 |
| ryukafalz | yep - I'll pm you my jid | 08:23 |
| * AL13N too | 08:23 | |
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| Acce | 2 % to 300 | 08:44 |
| Armadillo | hm just another batch activated, but no more news? | 08:46 |
| chr1stopher | hmmm 100$ discount ^^ does this mean a jolla 2 is coming? ;D | 08:46 |
| Armadillo | no | 08:47 |
| chr1stopher | but these discounts are really not very fair for buyers. a model like: the phone gets cheaper 10$ every month would be nice; then people can easier decide | 08:47 |
| Armadillo | I think they'll lower the price at least in q1 2015 to 249€ in general | 08:48 |
| Armadillo | as this is the normal price in India, too | 08:48 |
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| chr1stopher | sounds comprehensible | 08:51 |
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| Acce | 3 left from currently featured batch.. | 08:58 |
| chr1stopher | Acce: what you talk about? | 08:58 |
| chr1stopher | Acce: tablet? | 08:58 |
| Acce | chr1stopher: yep | 08:58 |
| chr1stopher | there should be enough phones and time for me to think about it, or? ;D | 08:59 |
| Armadillo | there already is a new batch | 08:59 |
| Acce | others probably already got bored following it :D | 08:59 |
| chr1stopher | just looking for nokia here maps tests ^^ | 08:59 |
| Acce | yeah, the new countries batch | 08:59 |
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| chr1stopher | does the nokia here map include live traffic on jolla when you use it as a navi? | 09:02 |
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| Armadillo | not in the native here Maps | 09:08 |
| Armadillo | I would also appreciate this feature | 09:08 |
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| chr1stopher | Armadillo: that s sad. it seems that here maps in general has this feature. | 09:12 |
| Armadillo | yes, you can use the Android-Version until the Sailfish version suports this feature | 09:13 |
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| chr1stopher | Armadillo: hm yes that would be possible. but then i could stick with google maps as well ^^ or? | 09:18 |
| chr1stopher | i guess i ll stick with my s2 for a little longer and see how long it will work. till now it s fine. even if i would love to "get something new", maybe it s more rationally to not drop a working device ^^ | 09:19 |
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| Armadillo | sure you can do what you want ;) | 09:21 |
| Armadillo | I for myself don't want to use Android anymore since my first Sailfish week ;) | 09:21 |
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| chr1stopher | yes the os would be nice | 09:28 |
| chr1stopher | but paying money for a device that has almost the same hardware specs like mine seems a little bit odd to me | 09:28 |
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| chr1stopher | but i accept that it is harder for jolla to sell devices for prices like big companies like samsung | 09:29 |
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| gogeta | chr1stopher, don't blame yourself and join #sailfishos-porters .... is almost easy port sfa for yout phone | 09:34 |
| gogeta | *your | 09:34 |
| iekku | gogeta, :D | 09:35 |
| iekku | nice idea :) | 09:35 |
| gogeta | i've got a bootable thin in 3 hours of compilation | 09:36 |
| gogeta | *thing | 09:36 |
| gogeta | i've got also sgs2 but was the enterprise one ... | 09:36 |
| gogeta | is not mine ... | 09:37 |
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| chr1stopher | gogeta: had this idead as well, but seems to be a lot of work and i just opend a table and the camera is not working on any device yet? | 09:44 |
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| tbr | someone asked about the slush video? https://plus.google.com/u/0/109671132288090791453/posts/33FqV79KKff | 09:46 |
| dr_gogeta86 | moo tbr | 09:46 |
| Armadillo | 3m views Oo | 09:46 |
| dr_gogeta86 | but the full ? | 09:47 |
| Armadillo | ok it's the page not the vid^^ | 09:47 |
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| JvD_ | 300% | 11:25 |
| ggabriel | update? :) | 11:25 |
| ggabriel | jolla tablet @ home page of indiegogo too, which is nice | 11:28 |
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| Stskeeps | and intel.com earlier, too | 11:31 |
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| Stskeeps | (north america) | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2014/11/19/world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet-launched-today-from-jolla-powered-by-intel | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | nice | 11:33 |
| ggabriel | i wonder how the new countries will take the new user experience | 11:33 |
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| ggabriel | prolly same as EU | 11:34 |
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| coderus | 300%! SO WOW! MUCH HAPPY! VERY CONGRATULATIONS! | 11:35 |
| Morpog_PC | doge tablet :D | 11:37 |
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| coderus | haha no | 11:38 |
| coderus | but | 11:38 |
| coderus | JollaTablet: Doge indide :D | 11:38 |
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| ggabriel | uhm... i wonder if it'll stop at 10k like i predicted | 11:39 |
| ggabriel | maybe not if they keep adding countries | 11:39 |
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| ggabriel | tohkbd also got >1k backers, which is nice | 11:41 |
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| locusf | and a hero :) | 11:41 |
| ggabriel | oh yeah | 11:41 |
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| coderus | btw, is it known whi is the hero? | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | i don't, at least | 11:51 |
| ggabriel | batman | 11:51 |
| ggabriel | coz batman is rich | 11:51 |
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| coderus | Bruce Wayne? | 12:11 |
| Dicee- | yes | 12:12 |
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| coderus | sure, he is a hero and rich :D | 12:14 |
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| JvD_ | everyone gets batlogo on their keyboard | 12:28 |
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| coderus | JvD_: you wrong, bat logo only on hero edition | 12:43 |
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| JvD_ | hero edition has flashlight to light a batlogo on clouds | 12:48 |
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| onurati | hey, anybody has an idea why my Jolla is not detected as a USB networking device, but as a USB mass storage device in Recovery Mode? | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | that's .. unusual | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | sure it's the jolla? | 13:37 |
| onurati | absolutely. I can see it in dmesg. | 13:37 |
| ggabriel | onurati: if linux, dmesg output [in pastebin or similar] | 13:37 |
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| onurati | here you go http://pastebin.com/JRfw77J3 | 13:38 |
| mad_dev | Anyone knows where can I find Jolla developers (freelancers)? | 13:39 |
| onurati | first, I thought my PC might be missing some kernel modules or so, but if I connect my N9 via USB that is detected immediately. | 13:40 |
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| powrtoch | Hi guys. Just saw that the phone is €100 off. Will this work with the keyboard coupon code? | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | onurati: ah, right, it's set to empty target but if you really want you can add a partition under shell | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | powrtoch: usually you cannot combine rebates | 13:41 |
| powrtoch | Though so. | 13:41 |
| powrtoch | Thought* | 13:42 |
| tadzik | hm, is that a rebate, or a permanent price decrease? | 13:42 |
| tadzik | "Get Jolla and The Other Half Keira Black or Aloe for just €369" -- this tohs sure got expensive :D | 13:43 |
| powrtoch | Hehe | 13:43 |
| ggabriel | onurati: did you connect the usb cable before or after starting recovery mode? | 13:44 |
| onurati | Stskeeps: How do I do that? Any entry on together.jolla.com that I can read? | 13:44 |
| * ggabriel remembers that order mattered | 13:44 | |
| onurati | ggabriel: after | 13:44 |
| powrtoch | http://www.thejollablog.com/still-get-100e-discount-buying-jolla/ | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | onurati: it's a echo > somewhere | 13:44 |
| ggabriel | ok, you seem to have done things the right way.... | 13:44 |
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| powrtoch | Seems some were lucky with getting the phone for €150 ;-) | 13:44 |
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| M4rtinK | hmm, memories of the HP TouchPad $150 firesale :) | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | i still have my touchpad.. maybe i'll make it into a sailfish tablet | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | currently it's playing pingu. | 13:46 |
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| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: go for it! :) | 13:47 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, it might actually be worthwhile - there still many devs with TouchPads :) | 13:47 |
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| powrtoch | Does the calendar app support CalDav and sync from iCal? | 13:49 |
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| onurati | ll /dev/usb | 14:02 |
| coderus | onurati: ok | 14:04 |
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| onurati | coderus: sorry, wrong console. Trying to figure out how to realize what Stskeeps suggested... | 14:07 |
| Nicd- | powrtoch: caldav is supported | 14:08 |
| Nicd- | don't know about ical | 14:09 |
| powrtoch | Nicd-: Cheers | 14:10 |
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| CissWit | Hi guys, i have a problem when playing some games with ads. When internet connection is lost the connection popup appears every couple of seconds. It makes the game unplayable. Is there a way to turn off this pop up ? | 15:04 |
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| raa700_ | flight mode? | 15:09 |
| fennekki | killing connman would also probably work but that's a bit... overkill | 15:10 |
| fennekki | I think the connection UI shits itself if connman isn't running | 15:10 |
| japa-fi | I'm seriously considering jolla phone for myself now that it's only 250€. Is the screen prone for scratching? if yes, what would you recomend to cover the shield? (I have N900 and I've managed to scratch the screen with the included pointing stick :( ). Jolla shop didn't have any wallet style phone covers. Any suggestions for such from sources other than jollashop? | 15:13 |
| powrtoch | japa-fi: May I ask what your considerations were for dropping the N900 for the Jolla phone? | 15:14 |
| japa-fi | powrtoch, N900 is nice, but even with general web browsing more and more sites just manage to hand the phone as they require much CPU power to render | 15:16 |
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| japa-fi | The camera is quite medicore in N900. Not that I use it too often. | 15:16 |
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| japa-fi | I love the keyboard though | 15:16 |
| powrtoch | (I think the Jolla camera might be worse) | 15:17 |
| japa-fi | and all the new hot (and less hot) apps are android/IOS only | 15:17 |
| powrtoch | true | 15:17 |
| tadzik | japa-fi: if you find the n900 camera to be mediocre, you will be seriously disappointed, I'm afraid | 15:17 |
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| japa-fi | wow, would have thought camera technology had moved forward since n900 times.. | 15:18 |
| tadzik | optics didn't, especially if you make them smaller | 15:19 |
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| mornfall | also, sensors are limited by physics more so than technology, at usual smartphone sizes | 15:19 |
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| japa-fi | Yeah, that's true. One can't invent photons out of thin air. That is to say: larger lens and sensor area get better images | 15:20 |
| mornfall | take pics on a lightly overcast summer day and they'll look great on basically any contemporary camera | 15:20 |
| mornfall | enough light gets you most of the way | 15:21 |
| mornfall | for good indoor photos you'll want something substantially bulkier than a phone :-) | 15:21 |
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| japa-fi | When I'm serious about taking pictures, I carry (lug) my Canon EOS 5D | 15:23 |
| japa-fi | with 17-40mm lens. Nice for wide angle shots, not so nice for your neck and shoulders (after carrying it whole day :) ) | 15:23 |
| mornfall | there are some compact cameras with decent-sized sensors and fast lenses too | 15:23 |
| japa-fi | What about the jolla screen, does one have to worry about scratching it? | 15:24 |
| japa-fi | My N900 has clearly identifiable scratched section where I use the included pointer stick to scroll web pages.. | 15:24 |
| mornfall | I'd totally give this one a shot, http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-powershot-g7-x?utm_campaign=internal-link&utm_source=reviews-latest-widget&utm_medium=image&ref=reviews-latest-widget | 15:25 |
| mornfall | japa-fi: it's probably much more resilient (jolla screen) | 15:25 |
| mornfall | japa-fi: but it's still not unscratchable | 15:25 |
| mornfall | you'd need sapphire for that | 15:25 |
| mornfall | (of course sony RX100 III is also totally gorgeous) | 15:27 |
| japa-fi | do you use some kind of transparent screen protector? If yes, how much you lose from the touch sensitivity (i mean phone does not puck your touch) are they worth it? | 15:27 |
| Morpog_PC | my RX100 I is enough for me :D no need for a DSLR | 15:28 |
| mornfall | japa-fi: I don't, and I'm also more worried about cracking than about scratching | 15:29 |
| mornfall | I already have a hairline crack in the corner (outside of the screen area) | 15:29 |
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| japa-fi | mornfall, and you haven't really abused the phone? | 15:31 |
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| mornfall | japa-fi: the worst it has seen is falling from a bed | 15:32 |
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| mornfall | but you'll probably have that problem with any glass-based screen | 15:34 |
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| Morpog_PC | I've dropped my Jolla 3 times and no scratch or crack on glas yet | 15:39 |
| Morpog_PC | just one aluminium corner looks a bit bad :D | 15:40 |
| japa-fi | does sonos cortoller app work on jolla? | 15:40 |
| Nicd- | after a year with no protective cover I have a few scratches that can only be seen in the right light | 15:40 |
| japa-fi | controller.. | 15:40 |
| Morpog_PC | I never use covers | 15:40 |
| Nicd- | with cover I mean screen protector | 15:41 |
| Morpog_PC | me too :D | 15:41 |
| japa-fi | lastly: what is the thing your iPhone owning friend mock you and your Jolla the most? | 15:42 |
| Morpog_PC | pure envy? | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | last i was mocked was ease of use of the ui | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | which is arguable at best | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | but that same day i got a lot of respect when i diagonsed+fixed the internet connection of a public place with the jolla | 15:44 |
| ggabriel | then again, 99.99% of people who see you using a terminal on the phone will be impressed/scared | 15:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | more scared :) | 15:44 |
| japa-fi | my friend is constatnly trying to brainwash me for iPhone... and makes fun of my ancent and bulky n900 | 15:45 |
| ggabriel | well, let's say they know they can't f*ck with you | 15:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ggabriel: "can your iPhone do patchmanager ?" | 15:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :P | 15:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ok, they can cydia | 15:46 |
| Tegu | jailbreak | 15:46 |
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| ggabriel | you have to jailbreak+download an "app"+... | 15:47 |
| Morpog_PC | well, they need to wait months for a working jailbreak nowadays | 15:47 |
| japa-fi | my friend isn't the hacker type. he is totally happy with the cage apple has limited himself to. | 15:48 |
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| japa-fi | "I don't care about privacy as long everything just works" | 15:48 |
| japa-fi | As for me the app showing where his wife is currently at almost got me virtually to shit in my privacy-pants | 15:49 |
| japa-fi | etc.etc. | 15:49 |
| cb400f | guess he doesn't care about price, or freedom or patents or anything else either ;-) | 15:49 |
| ggabriel | wow | 15:49 |
| ggabriel | you can stalk your own wife these days | 15:49 |
| japa-fi | cb400f, you got it.. | 15:49 |
| cb400f | interoperability, standards... | 15:50 |
| * cb400f tries to think of one decent value that Apple doesn't violate | 15:51 | |
| japa-fi | one can't have one's app in the apple shop if apple thinks the application is inappropriate or if they just dont like the app | 15:52 |
| cb400f | planned obscelecense/durability | 15:52 |
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| cb400f | right.. censorship/centralism too | 15:53 |
| cb400f | do Apple have an "openrepos" equivalent? ;-) ... or the possibility to add completely 3rd party hosted repos on a non-cracked phone | 15:54 |
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| mornfall | cb400f: no, and the stated reason (malware) is actually pretty solid | 16:03 |
| cb400f | I'm sure people would install tons of crap, but imho that's better than a world where some centralized corporations decide what people can or cannot install on their computers | 16:05 |
| sec | Yep, it helps being a walled garden. Compare Apple to Android stores and you'll numbers on malware supporting the Apple walled garden | 16:06 |
| sec | s/ll/ll see/ | 16:06 |
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| japa-fi | Any of you compared jolla sound quality with ear buds (I refer to listening hi quality 256-320kbs .mp3. if mp3 can ever be considered hi quality...) | 16:15 |
| japa-fi | compared with n900 | 16:15 |
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| mornfall | I didn't notice anything different | 16:18 |
| mornfall | although more often than not I am on a nokia bluetooth headset anyway | 16:18 |
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| japa-fi | I have westone UM pro 30 earphones. I like how they sound, but unfortunately they also reveal the short comings as well. | 16:24 |
| japa-fi | http://www.earphonesolutions.com/westone-um-pro-30.html | 16:24 |
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| CissWit | raa700_: i still want to be able to receive calls and sms, i just want to disable internet connection when it's not available. | 16:25 |
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| pahartik | japa-fi: Transparent screen protector and black protective case for "Jolla Mobile" seem to be easily available at "DNA store" locations, I am using both | 16:41 |
| Ezko | i got my flip case from verkkokauppa.com | 16:43 |
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| Ezko | they had them in the store | 16:43 |
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| Yaniel | same here | 17:19 |
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| Ezko | is anyone using skype on their jolla? | 20:20 |
| Ezko | and if yes, which client? | 20:20 |
| tigeli | Ezko: yes, skype android-client | 20:21 |
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| Teemu | oh | 20:23 |
| Teemu | cool | 20:24 |
| Teemu | so, should i tell the jolla phone of my accounts and how come the twitter client software doesn't read my account info from system settings? | 20:24 |
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| NRKA | Does anybody know what wifi chip and driver there is in Jolla phone? | 20:27 |
| coderus | Ezko: which client? i know omly one client available: official from microsoft :D | 20:30 |
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| Ezko | coderus: apptoide had all kinds of things | 20:52 |
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| druberlin | hello sailors | 20:53 |
| coderus | Ezko: hm, really. never thought there are something 3rd party working :D | 20:54 |
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| SKyd3R | I just ordered the jolla mobile | 20:55 |
| SKyd3R | yeyyy | 20:55 |
| SKyd3R | :) | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | congratulations | 20:56 |
| sec | \o/ | 20:56 |
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| SKyd3R | thanks | 20:57 |
| Ezko | coderus: there probably isn't | 20:59 |
| Ezko | SKyd3R: welcome | 20:59 |
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| M4rtinK | SKyd3R: don't forget to also order the keyboard and tablet when you are at it :D | 21:19 |
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| SKyd3R | does the keyboard worth it? | 21:34 |
| druberlin | SKyd3R: congrats. Had mine for 5 days now. Fucking amazing phone. I had an N9 before and a nexus 4, blows both out of the water :) | 21:37 |
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| Teemu | https://www.flickr.com/photos/hannumakarainen/15668318957 | 21:42 |
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| kimmoli | dodii | 21:43 |
| Teemu | monday moarningu i'll visit snm.fi and fetch a juniper | 21:44 |
| SKyd3R | cool | 21:45 |
| SKyd3R | I was worried about the specs | 21:45 |
| Teemu | don't worry about the specs | 21:46 |
| SKyd3R | but I'm tired about android xD | 21:46 |
| Teemu | this is the same effect than at end of 1990s when everybody at windos camp was giving away their powerful pc machines because of no more power | 21:46 |
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| Teemu | well, then open source afiniados like me laughed and got them for free and installed an efficient operating system and ... | 21:48 |
| Teemu | yes | 21:48 |
| Teemu | jolla is much more swift than android | 21:48 |
| Teemu | also, metcals are cool, i'm wearing a metcal now | 21:49 |
| SKyd3R | :) | 21:50 |
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| sec | I can never understand what people do on a phone that they need more ram than a laptop that's still usable | 21:52 |
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| Teemu | web | 21:53 |
| tigeli | Teemu: gettings junipers for free? | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | sec: web tabs. | 21:53 |
| Teemu | tigeli: sadly no, also the metcal cost us real money | 21:53 |
| tigeli | :( | 21:53 |
| Teemu | we're giving helsinki hacklab the metcal and its smoke sucker in return for some services in soldering work department | 21:53 |
| * javispedro knows an old (still ibm) thinkpad user who routinely has ~300 firefox tabs =) | 21:54 | |
| dr_gogeta86 | hi javispedro | 21:54 |
| javispedro | basically he uses them as bookmarks :) | 21:54 |
| javispedro | hi hello! | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: there's a decent steak place lbt knows.. | 21:55 |
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| tigeli | javispedro: 23tabs, and 3.3G ram used with chromium :D | 21:55 |
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| tigeli | I don't even thing getting 300 tabs with it | 21:56 |
| Teemu | steak place, in which town? | 21:56 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: excellent :) | 21:56 |
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| Stskeeps | Teemu: brussels. fosdem | 21:56 |
| Teemu | ha | 21:56 |
| Teemu | nvm | 21:56 |
| tigeli | manneken pis | 21:56 |
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| javispedro | tigeli: I've seen chromium using 2G with 20ish tabs too, but I suppose most of it is flash and other gigantic JS webpages | 21:57 |
| Teemu | wordspruit is one of the worst | 21:57 |
| javispedro | meh, the recommended fosdem hotel is already entirely booked out | 21:58 |
| javispedro | damn you early-planners :) | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | i should probably book a hotel soon.. | 21:58 |
| tigeli | javispedro: yeah, usually js.. :( | 21:58 |
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| Stskeeps | ibis brussels off grand place is what i usually use | 21:59 |
| tigeli | javispedro: lots of pages use like 500M of ram for js | 21:59 |
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| javispedro | I also believe firefox is already cheating and dropping tabs on memory pressure... never seen it doing that on my machine, but I never get over 10 tabs =) | 22:00 |
| tigeli | Stskeeps: it's not even cold in brussels.. bring a tent ;) | 22:00 |
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| Stskeeps | tigeli: i've tried snow in brussels. things just shut down. | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:01 |
| javispedro | I was at nh atlanta last year, but dunno why, I guess it was a lastminute choice | 22:01 |
| tigeli | Stskeeps: hehe | 22:01 |
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| Teemu | Stskeeps: i like driving in snow | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | i don't walking around grand place 3 times while drunk to find my hotel. | 22:02 |
| javispedro | what's this 'snow' you speak of? :) | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | while it's slippery | 22:02 |
| tigeli | Stskeeps: to be honest, the last time I was in Belgium (2years ago) the weather was like now.. and it was damn cold to sleep inside (at the friends attic) as they didn't have the heating on | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | tigeli: you should come to fosdem | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:03 |
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| Teemu | tigeli: i hear they haven't heard of quintuple-glazed windows yet? do they have insulation in the walls? | 22:04 |
| tigeli | Stskeeps: well, I'm not now at Belgium.. just checked the weather from internets ;) | 22:05 |
| tigeli | Teemu: insulation.. if you call bricks as insulation | 22:05 |
| tigeli | ;) | 22:05 |
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| Teemu | if there are enough bricks to store the heat during all of winter, yes | 22:06 |
| DrSkyLizard | Hi, is it true that that first two batches of 1000 Jolla Tablets have passed? | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | define passed? | 22:06 |
| DrSkyLizard | i.e. more than 2 thousand people bought the tablet | 22:06 |
| Nicd- | check https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet | 22:07 |
| tigeli | DrSkyLizard: I think it's more like 5k+ | 22:07 |
| DrSkyLizard | It doens't say that there | 22:07 |
| DrSkyLizard | only number of contributors | 22:07 |
| DrSkyLizard | but that doesn't mean they bought the tablet, they could have donated | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | i am fairly sure that a large majority bought the tablet | 22:07 |
| javispedro | hm | 22:07 |
| DrSkyLizard | guessing is not knowing | 22:07 |
| javispedro | the original batches have disappeared from the perks sidebar | 22:08 |
| tigeli | DrSkyLizard: it's rather easy to fetch the list of contributors | 22:08 |
| javispedro | some indiegogo quirk.. | 22:08 |
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| DrSkyLizard | There are only 1585 people shipping on the shipping perk | 22:08 |
| tigeli | DrSkyLizard: well.. people might have read what it says on the perks | 22:08 |
| Nicd- | DrSkyLizard: there were two perks with 1000 amount | 22:08 |
| Nicd- | they both went | 22:08 |
| Nicd- | then there was a 2000 amount perk, that went too | 22:09 |
| Nicd- | so now it's at 4170 | 22:09 |
| Armadillo | you missed another 1000 perk ;) | 22:09 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | or 5170? | 22:09 |
| DrSkyLizard | right, cause I heard only the first 2000 will get the tablet ASAP, the others will have to wait until May 2015 | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | i'm fairly sure all of them says may 2015 | 22:09 |
| kimmoli | hope they are not built in someones livingroom... (yes, dirkvl upgraded from bedroom...) | 22:11 |
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| tigeli | kimmoli: we use bathroom | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | DrSkyLizard2: i'm fairly sure it's all may 2015 | 22:11 |
| tigeli | yeah.. it was may 2015 for all | 22:12 |
| DrSkyLizard2 | http://www.xda-developers.com/android/jolla-tablet-announced/ said " The first two thousand people who helped to fund the campaign will get their tablets once they’re out. The rest will have to wait until May 2015 to finally get the device. " | 22:12 |
| DrSkyLizard2 | not sure from where they got that info | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | DrSkyLizard2: no clue | 22:12 |
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| Nicd- | I remember it said may 2015 for all of them too | 22:13 |
| javispedro | hmhm | 22:13 |
| javispedro | inadvertently or not, the 1.0.1i openssl enables elliptic curve support | 22:14 |
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| javispedro | I was about to open a together feature-request for that, so.. thanks :) | 22:14 |
| tigeli | javispedro: done on purpose | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: i'm a bit puzzled why you have a nonmatching source code | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | hotfix maybe | 22:15 |
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| javispedro | I don't know, do hotfixes update the motd that appears when I login? | 22:15 |
| javispedro | well, 1.1.0.39 is what the motd AND the settings->upgrade app says, and 1.1.0.39 is what it says on the DVD | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | and you don't use nieldk repos or something like that | 22:16 |
| javispedro | not at all, haven't started hacking it yet and it was a fresh reflash | 22:17 |
| javispedro | (well, fresh from 1.0.5 that is :) ) | 22:17 |
| javispedro | (the immediately updated to the opt-in) | 22:17 |
| javispedro | *then | 22:18 |
| sharpneli | So it's on may? Still time to persuade Jolla folks to base it on Android L! :D | 22:18 |
| javispedro | is it based on android? | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: guess what i'm blogging about | 22:18 |
| sharpneli | Probably it is | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | or at least preparing to | 22:19 |
| javispedro | aha, looking forward to it | 22:19 |
| * javispedro upgrades his jolla to the manually built openssl 1.0.1i, what could possibly go wrong? | 22:20 | |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: i just love changing HW adaptation mid way through a project.. | 22:20 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: you do, don't you | 22:21 |
| * Stskeeps shakes fist at ST-Ericsson | 22:21 | |
| sharpneli | Stskeeps: True. But unlike the previous one (When ES3.0 came out and Jolla had just ES2.0) this time all new android devices are mandated to have ES3.1 | 22:21 |
| sharpneli | Which means games will demand it, unlike ES3.0 that had maximum market penetration even on new devices less than 50% or so | 22:21 |
| Yaniel | javispedro: about tracker :P | 22:22 |
| mornfall | sadly, the powervr chip is even more unfree than the adreno in jolla's phone | 22:22 |
| sharpneli | Stskeeps: Maybe you could just request updated drivers for 4.4? | 22:22 |
| sharpneli | Or is it one of those "ALL OR NOTHING!" deals? | 22:23 |
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| tigeli | javispedro: if you play with openssl, maybe you should play with j :) | 22:23 |
| mornfall | but yeah, “open source” :P | 22:23 |
| tigeli | javispedro: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/openssl | 22:23 |
| javispedro | ooh, flashy ui | 22:24 |
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| javispedro | gitlab? | 22:24 |
| javispedro | yes | 22:24 |
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| * javispedro bookmarks | 22:24 | |
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| Kabouik | I get very bad network in areas where coverage is normally OK. It started weeks ago, and only got worse over time. At first, reboots did solve the issue temporarily. Since two days, it does not anymore: I only have coverage for like a few seconds before I lost it, same for data. | 23:02 |
| Kabouik | Should I consider care@jolla.com or is it a known software issue? | 23:02 |
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