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| _inte_ | calamari: there is a port of Stellarium for SailfishOS in the Jolla Store | 00:52 |
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| Acce | _inte_: what is it called? I didn't notice it | 05:35 |
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| kimmoli | i have this installed http://thelarge.org/stellarium-sailfish/ | 05:40 |
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| Tofe | ryukafalz: LuneOS is actually capable of running qml apps... though it is not the preferred way, of course | 07:01 |
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| ryukafalz | Tofe: Oh dang, so it is | 07:52 |
| ryukafalz | and there's this :D https://github.com/webOS-ports/qtquickcontrols-luneos | 07:52 |
| Teemu | aint webos the palmpilot thingy? | 07:53 |
| ryukafalz | Teemu: Yeah, it was Palm's OS for the Pre | 07:53 |
| ryukafalz | it was actually really nice though | 07:53 |
| Teemu | is it anyhow related to the pre palm pre palm devices palmos? | 07:54 |
| ryukafalz | nope | 07:54 |
| Teemu | good | 07:54 |
| ryukafalz | PalmOS was old and tired a decade ago ;) | 07:54 |
| Teemu | original palmos was more like 68k macos with even less features | 07:55 |
| * ryukafalz used to use a Treu 6500 | 07:55 | |
| Teemu | no mmu features, no multitasking, no nothing | 07:55 |
| ryukafalz | *Treo 650 | 07:55 |
| ryukafalz | I can't type today apparently | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | good morning | 07:55 |
| ryukafalz | 'morning | 07:56 |
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| _inte_ | Acce Stekkarium SF | 07:59 |
| _inte_ | ;) | 07:59 |
| _inte_ | Stellarium SF | 08:00 |
| meklu | couldn't find that in the store | 08:01 |
| meklu | maybe the search just blows | 08:02 |
| meklu | (it does) | 08:02 |
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| _inte_ | well i have it installed | 08:48 |
| _inte_ | maybe from openrepos then? | 08:48 |
| Nicd- | couldn't find it in the store either | 08:48 |
| _inte_ | or direct link | 08:48 |
| _inte_ | http://thelarge.org/stellarium-sailfish/ | 08:48 |
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| _inte_ | i installed it quite some time ago and i cant remember from where | 08:51 |
| _inte_ | but rather from or or store then direct link | 08:51 |
| _inte_ | maybe it was removed again | 08:52 |
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| flux | as I suspected: after the jolla announcement that wasn't an incompatible-with-tohkbd jolla2 phone, the tohkbd backers/day returned back to normal rate :) | 09:16 |
| anYc | :) | 09:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | woo - $1m | 11:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | When is the anticipated retail availability? | 11:54 |
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| stephg | May | 11:57 |
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| tadzik | well, the preordered units will be there in may :) | 12:10 |
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| flux | if past is something we can learn from.. they will be on the shelevs by April :P | 12:14 |
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| flux | armadillo, is it any good? | 12:14 |
| Armadillo | maybe Sail0r can answer your questions better | 12:15 |
| Sail0r | I like it it works very good | 12:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | flux: hmm | 12:16 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders if he actually wants to preorder, as squaretrade won't cover preorders | 12:16 | |
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| ln- | does Marc speak finnish? | 12:17 |
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| flux | speedevil, personally, I still don't know what I would do with a tablet :-/ | 12:21 |
| flux | well, other than stick one to the freezer door to maintain the contents list there | 12:21 |
| SpeedEvil | flux: I use my nexus 7 quite a lot. | 12:22 |
| Nav | Feature request: magnetic back for attachment to freezer ;-) | 12:22 |
| flux | speedevil, for what? | 12:22 |
| SpeedEvil | But - I've broken the screen accidentally - so the squaretrade accidental dmage coverage paid off for me | 12:22 |
| Armadillo | Nav lol | 12:22 |
| SpeedEvil | flux: Several things. | 12:22 |
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| flux | speedevil, things you wouldn't rather use a laptop for? | 12:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | flux: Random camera,listening to podcasts (couple of hours a day), alarm, reading linear text | 12:23 |
| SpeedEvil | flux: yes. | 12:23 |
| flux | well, 3 of those cases are better IMO handled by a mobile phone | 12:23 |
| flux | for reading, that's a use case I could buy, but I would rather have an A4 size tablet with e-ink-like display | 12:24 |
| SpeedEvil | A4 has a massive lever-arm | 12:24 |
| SpeedEvil | For dense textbook diagrams - sure | 12:24 |
| SpeedEvil | For fiction - just no | 12:24 |
| flux | I actually have a Kindle as well | 12:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Epecially if I'm curled up in bed | 12:25 |
| flux | turns out I use it veeery raraely | 12:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I have a kindle too - it doesn't get used compared to reading on screen. | 12:25 |
| SpeedEvil | of the n7 | 12:25 |
| flux | I used to read some fiction on N9. it was OK. but of course, its screen was bad for text. | 12:25 |
| flux | the main benefit: I always had it along with me | 12:26 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 12:26 |
| nander | Just buy a kobo glow | 12:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Due to stuff, I'm rarely away from the house | 12:26 |
| nander | glo* | 12:26 |
| nander | Small, portable, affordable | 12:26 |
| nander | And nice battery time | 12:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | So mobile is less important | 12:26 |
| flux | I suppose it would be an ok web browsing accompanion while sitting on the couch | 12:27 |
| SpeedEvil | pretty much. | 12:27 |
| flux | but if I want to do some random ircing/coding while doing it, I just want a keyboard :) | 12:27 |
| SpeedEvil | For data entry of any sort - just painful. | 12:27 |
| flux | it's faster to switch between virtual desktops than devices | 12:27 |
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| nander | I might try to write some program to integrate the jolla tablet into your desktop system | 12:27 |
| nander | So you can directly control your computer on there ;) | 12:28 |
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| louisdk | I've trouble connecting my Jolla to a bluetooth keyboard. | 12:32 |
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| ortylp | Cory Doctorow preordered jolla tablet too :) | 12:53 |
| ortylp | http://boingboing.net/2014/11/19/crowdfunding-jolla-a-gnulinu.html | 12:53 |
| meklu | cool, cool | 12:56 |
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| Acce | He says it's total vaporware but that isn't true, weren't there working prototypes already? | 14:13 |
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| Teemu | nander: a qtish interface to ovirt virtualization environment could be cool | 14:14 |
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| Teemu | they're using some nonvnc nonrdp protocol the name of which i already forgot | 14:15 |
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| ortylp | It is vapourware, the proof: I do not have it in my hands. until then it IS vapourvare. Protypes do not count. | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | it's a tablet in a box. it's unclear if the box is real. | 14:22 |
| ortylp | :D | 14:22 |
| ortylp | good | 14:22 |
| stephg | if you open the box does the tablet shut down? | 14:23 |
| stephg | is there poison in the box? | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | stephg: depends on if the radioisotope decays or not | 14:24 |
| ggabriel | both of them | 14:24 |
| ggabriel | depends on which universe you're at | 14:24 |
| stephg | there is one clear upside with the tablet in general tho: | 14:25 |
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| Stskeeps | no modem? | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:25 |
| stephg | it guarantees that we'll spend the first few months of 2015 answering #soon to people | 14:25 |
| stephg | lol | 14:25 |
| ggabriel | #staytuned | 14:26 |
| ggabriel | shall we make a countdown btw? | 14:27 |
| * stephg thinks the codenames for all future products should be soon | 14:27 | |
| Stskeeps | soon by jolla | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | (sbj) | 14:28 |
| stephg | aha | 14:28 |
| locusf | lol :D | 14:28 |
| stephg | ggabriel: yes | 14:28 |
| ggabriel | hehe | 14:28 |
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| ortylp | I have shown yesterday the croundfunding campain for the tablet to an acquaintance, who is is professionally PR consultant, his response today at the breakfast was, that this kind of movement brings him back the faith that there are still people not completely sold to big corporations... | 14:29 |
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| ggabriel | stephg: https://gagv.org.uk/jollatablet.html | 14:31 |
| Armadillo | omg :D | 14:31 |
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| stephg | damnit you didn't give anyone time to do the ETA to the countdown app, app ;) | 14:32 |
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| ggabriel | lol | 14:33 |
| Nicd- | needs more styling | 14:33 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: i'm a simple guy, minimalistic design | 14:33 |
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| ggabriel | also, delivered in under 5 mins :P | 14:34 |
| stephg | haha | 14:34 |
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| ggabriel | but happy to add contributed styling | 14:34 |
| ggabriel | or just forget about it | 14:34 |
| stephg | can't you put '#soon' in a blink tag or something | 14:34 |
| Teemu | damn i always forget the phone in the car cradle | 14:34 |
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| ggabriel | aren't blink tags forbidden these days? | 14:34 |
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| stephg | probably | 14:35 |
| stephg | or was that marquee | 14:35 |
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| Teemu | javascript blink animation that follows the mouse cursor all over | 14:35 |
| Teemu | very late 1990s | 14:35 |
| ggabriel | added it tho | 14:35 |
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| Nicd- | ggabriel: copy from http://ahlroth.fi/ :) | 14:36 |
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| stephg | small bug ggabriel, when on my laptop, it doesn't work in portrait :D | 14:36 |
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| ggabriel | ummm looks bad | 14:37 |
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| ggabriel | stephg: oh no | 14:37 |
| Nicd- | :( | 14:37 |
| ggabriel | you're probably touching the screen while turning the laptop | 14:37 |
| Nicd- | but... I used all my skills | 14:37 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: yeah, <a> aren't nice | 14:37 |
| stephg | ggabriel: that's probably it | 14:37 |
| ggabriel | anyway, just for lulz | 14:38 |
| Nicd- | ggabriel: a { color: #abcdef; } | 14:38 |
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| ggabriel | Nicd-: done | 14:41 |
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| ggabriel | looks nicer | 14:41 |
| ggabriel | still minimalistic | 14:41 |
| Nicd- | now center it | 14:41 |
| Nicd- | ;) | 14:41 |
| Nicd- | put it in <div id="note"></div> | 14:41 |
| meklu | Nicd-: not responsive enough :( | 14:41 |
| Nicd- | (and make the font smaller) | 14:41 |
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| meklu | https://notgaf.com/ | 14:42 |
| Nicd- | meklu: you need to be more responsive to the design | 14:42 |
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| ggabriel | wow | 14:42 |
| Nicd- | meklu: oooooh | 14:42 |
| Nicd- | spiffy | 14:42 |
| ggabriel | done | 14:43 |
| Nicd- | I'll need to update my stuff | 14:43 |
| meklu | :) | 14:43 |
| meklu | kind of sucks that you can't really express that in any reasonable way :( | 14:43 |
| Nicd- | ggabriel: your #note height is 00% :D | 14:43 |
| Nicd- | you broked it | 14:43 |
| meklu | something like "hey, stretch this text to fit this thing here" | 14:43 |
| ggabriel | oh no | 14:43 |
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| ggabriel | fixed | 14:44 |
| ggabriel | stupid x | 14:44 |
| Nicd- | yaay | 14:44 |
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| meklu | :D | 14:45 |
| meklu | cool countdown | 14:45 |
| meklu | #soon indeed | 14:45 |
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| SK_work | wait what, TOHKBD hero pledged | 15:44 |
| TemeV | It seems that way :) | 15:45 |
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| SK_work | signature | 15:47 |
| SK_work | kimmoli will be tired signing all these handwritten notes :) | 15:48 |
| SK_work | now what to engrave | 15:48 |
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| kimmoli | yyyy | 15:49 |
| SK_work | kimmoli: are you ready ? :d | 15:49 |
| SK_work | better start now | 15:49 |
| Morpog_PC | wtf jolla for 149€ | 15:49 |
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| flux | month 2 of delayed tohkbd shipments.. "still writing signatures, 50% there" | 15:49 |
| Morpog_PC | coderus, | 15:49 |
| SK_work | flux: :D | 15:50 |
| kimmoli | 149? | 15:50 |
| Morpog_PC | yes | 15:50 |
| flux | 991/1000, 1000 is not far indeed. next up, 2000 ;) | 15:50 |
| locusf | what its 249¤ | 15:50 |
| Morpog_PC | shop is now at 249€ and you can use code: jolla <3 slush for another 100€ discount | 15:50 |
| locusf | ah :D | 15:51 |
| locusf | lol | 15:51 |
| kimmoli | oo | 15:51 |
| * Morpog_PC thinks about getting one for spare parts :D | 15:51 | |
| TemeV | Damn, thats quite cheap | 15:51 |
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| anYc | great, I return mine within 14 days and order a new one for 100€ less | 15:52 |
| TemeV | If I hadn't use my technology budget for the next decade already, I would buy my self a development phone | 15:52 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: ? | 15:53 |
| Morpog_PC | ah you noticed about discount already on twitter | 15:53 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: yep | 15:53 |
| coderus | no discount outside EU anyway | 15:54 |
| kimmoli | maybe i get one foe spare battery | 15:54 |
| Morpog_PC | kimmoli, thats what I thought, lol | 15:54 |
| CissWit | just bought a jolla last week for 249€.. | 15:54 |
| kimmoli | :) and :( | 15:54 |
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| coderus | :) and (: | 15:55 |
| Morpog_PC | i bought one for 399€ ;) | 15:55 |
| CissWit | me too | 15:55 |
| coderus | you can buy some for trading it later :D | 15:55 |
| FiSHBoY | I still can't buy one (from the source) anyways, so maybe it will be super cheap by the time it is for sale in my region, lol | 15:55 |
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| locusf | yeah 149¤ jolla coming for Nemo adventures :) | 15:56 |
| japa-fi | Morpog_PC, Did I understand correctly, jolla (the phone) available at 149€ (with the discount codes)? | 15:56 |
| Morpog_PC | yes | 15:56 |
| kimmoli | it would be 4th... | 15:56 |
| coderus | :( and :( | 15:57 |
| * Morpog_PC needs to prevent himself buying one, needs the force so much...... | 15:57 | |
| japa-fi | Thats cheap... I've been thinking about upgrading my phone to bit more modern one, but I don't have anythng apple (nor think of getting one) and I hate the loss of my privacy towards google. | 15:57 |
| kimmoli | heh | 15:57 |
| japa-fi | And my N900 is starting to be underpowered for anything modern... | 15:58 |
| FiSHBoY | N900 still, impressive :) | 15:58 |
| Raim | CissWit: did you already receive your Jolla? I think there is a 14-day return period free of charge... | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | 149 eur ? | 15:58 |
| Morpog_PC | yes | 15:58 |
| japa-fi | FiSHBoY, You mean "n900 is still impressive" or "it's impressive that I'm still using N900"? | 15:59 |
| Morpog_PC | crazy eh :D | 15:59 |
| FiSHBoY | the latter ;) | 15:59 |
| FiSHBoY | but the N900 is also impressive | 15:59 |
| Morpog_PC | oooh, it doesn't seem to work anymore | 15:59 |
| anYc | let's see if they simply forgot the slush discount ;) | 15:59 |
| japa-fi | Now, where can I get these €149 jollas? | 15:59 |
| Morpog_PC | lol, seems we shocked someone inside Jolla a bit :D | 15:59 |
| kimmoli | hög | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | Morpog_PC: i should really pay more attention in our ops calls.. | 16:00 |
| Yaniel | heh | 16:00 |
| Yaniel | hmm now to back that tablet or not... | 16:00 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: no more 149 euro phones? :D | 16:01 |
| Yaniel | I suppose it would be an awesome GL/GLES playground | 16:01 |
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| Raim | coderus: no, not anymore... "Coupon code "jolla <3 slush" is not valid." | 16:01 |
| japa-fi | And for those of you with experience to with the phone: I assume it has shell, ssh, sshd, suitable media player (for music), (offline) maps, hopefully also someting from OSM. This is just to meet my N900 usage habits. | 16:01 |
| coderus | :D | 16:01 |
| Morpog_PC | coderus, discount code is not valid anymore | 16:01 |
| coderus | affirmative | 16:01 |
| Morpog_PC | I should have not tweetet about it, lol :D | 16:02 |
| CissWit | i kinda feel better now :p | 16:02 |
| anYc | well, :) and :( again ^^ | 16:02 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: you not alone | 16:02 |
| anYc | didn't waste 100€ but won't buy a second one | 16:02 |
| kimmoli | blame Morpog_PC | 16:02 |
| TemeV | japa-fi: shell: yes, ssh: yes, sshd: yes, media player: matter of opinion, offline maps: with android here maps yes | 16:02 |
| * Morpog_PC hides | 16:02 | |
| * anYc puts Morpog_PC on his list | 16:03 | |
| anYc | :) | 16:03 |
| coderus | japa-fi: offline OSM maps: yes | 16:03 |
| TemeV | coderus: really, there is offline OSM maps? | 16:03 |
| japa-fi | As upgrade I could think of Vyber (or what the heck it's called, voip software... why don't people use _real_ SIP client?!) | 16:03 |
| Morpog_PC | someone on TMO bought it for 149€ | 16:04 |
| coderus | TemeV: yes, there is one app under development i testing | 16:04 |
| TemeV | ok, cool | 16:04 |
| Morpog_PC | lucky guy | 16:04 |
| kimmoli | i think jolla should organize these momentarily "giveaways" more often | 16:04 |
| anYc | I guess they can still cancel it | 16:04 |
| * Morpog_PC wants firesales every week | 16:04 | |
| flux | kimmoli, yeah, make people not think the price on the store is the one they want to pay :) | 16:04 |
| kimmoli | maybe when 2M reached, discount valid for 15mins | 16:05 |
| flux | ('not' perhaps placed awkwardly) | 16:05 |
| ortylp | TemeV: with android there is OSMAnd: vector offline OSM maps and navigation | 16:05 |
| Raim | kimmoli: it only makes other supporters sad who bought outside this short timeframe | 16:05 |
| anYc | although GPS only works reliably if I have nokia "here" open in the background | 16:06 |
| TemeV | ortylp: I was thinking of native app | 16:06 |
| kimmoli | live fast, live cheap? | 16:06 |
| ortylp | anYc: I do not start here maps on jolla at all, OSMAnd and Skobbler work OK | 16:06 |
| ortylp | TemeV: then get to work and port OSMAnd :) | 16:07 |
| TemeV | well, Coderus just said that it is under development already | 16:07 |
| * Nav would love a port of mappero | 16:07 | |
| Nav | That was REALLY useful on my n900 | 16:07 |
| TemeV | And I can't port all the apps I want :) Just one at a time | 16:08 |
| Nav | Being able to upload an sqlite db of waypoints to go and check was great | 16:08 |
| Nav | Haven't found anything close to it (native or android) | 16:09 |
| ortylp | TemeV: I have heard something, but it was bitmap data (then?). I hate seeing identical functionality reimplemented from scratch each time the platform slightly changes | 16:09 |
| SK_work | TemeV: coderus porting osmand ? | 16:09 |
| SK_work | it have a qt core actually | 16:09 |
| SK_work | using skia | 16:09 |
| SK_work | too | 16:10 |
| SK_work | for rendering | 16:10 |
| SK_work | quite a heavy thing but looks quite nice | 16:10 |
| TemeV | SK_work: [18:04] < coderus> TemeV: yes, there is one app under development i testing | 16:10 |
| TemeV | That's all I know | 16:10 |
| ortylp | Nav: I do not understand what functionality you mean, but OSMAnd supports loading waypoint/tracks and displaying/following them | 16:11 |
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| Nav | ortylp: mappero had a very nice interface for setting waypoint categories for waypoints and adding notes to them | 16:12 |
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| Nav | I surveyed huge amounts of my local area, and could just pull the sqlite db off the n900 and convert it to gpx to load into an OSM editor | 16:13 |
| Nav | Could also preload it with things (like bus stops) to check, and just change the waypoint category when the info was confirmed | 16:13 |
| Nav | had a really nice workflow going | 16:14 |
| ortylp | Nav: please take a (longer) look at OSMAnd and its plugins, I am sure it has the functionality you seek. It might not be obvious immediately, but it should already be there | 16:14 |
| ortylp | Nav: Support for OSM editing is there | 16:14 |
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| Nav | Maybe I need to update | 16:16 |
| Nav | Hmmm, I appear to have 1.7.5 and current seems to be 1.9 | 16:18 |
| ortylp | Nav: I have 1.9.2.g at the moment | 16:19 |
| ortylp | Nav: and look at Settings/Plugins I have not tested them myself, but descriptions are promising | 16:20 |
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| Nav | ortylp: ok, found "locally saved OSM POIs/Bugs" which sounds like what I'm after.... | 16:30 |
| Nav | but how do I get things in there.... | 16:31 |
| Nav | also, my phone is HORRIBLY unresponsive running osmand... | 16:32 |
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| Nav | ortylp: ok, I can create pois on the map (dialog is waaaaaaaaaay too verbose) but I can't see anything to import them | 16:35 |
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| ortylp | Nav: sorry, I cannot help you, I have not used it. You can load a .gpx file by copying it to a predefined directory. OSMAnd picks it up from there so that you can display/follow the track as additional layer on the map | 16:38 |
| Nav | Hmm, I need it as editable pois | 16:39 |
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| Morpog_PC | is the slush Jolla talk recording now available anywhere? | 18:37 |
| Morpog_PC | i couldn'tr watch it with audio back then | 18:38 |
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| ortylp | Morpog_PC: I have seen only the video played after the talk | 18:40 |
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| louisdk | I still can't find any proper use for a tablet. The only reason would be to save battery life on my Jolla Phone. On the other hand, the tablet is wi-fi only and at home I mostly use my computers for stuff. | 18:57 |
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| Stskeeps | louisdk: if you load sufficient amount of gigabytes of Pingu on it, it becomes very useful with children. | 19:00 |
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| Nc_ | ^ | 19:05 |
| louisdk | Stskeeps, I don't have children trough. | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | if you can ssh in and remote control the tablet, even better. | 19:06 |
| louisdk | ;) | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:06 |
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| louisdk | Stskeeps, my Jolla Phones does also have SSH and I'll have a qwerty keyboard for it to do hacking on the go :) | 19:11 |
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| dunp | locusf, server? | 19:15 |
| dunp | louisdk, :) | 19:16 |
| sec | Thanks for picking Intel | 19:17 |
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| sec | Stskeeps: are there plans to open source currently closed components? | 19:25 |
| sec | Such as mentioned here: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2mx9o8/jollas_tablet_smashes_the_1m_crowdfunding_barrier/cm925mz | 19:25 |
| dunp | next million? | 19:26 |
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| juhaj | I'm thinking about replacing an old Nokia N9 with Jolla. Anything I would come to miss from N9? How well does OpenVPN work on Jolla? | 22:00 |
| Kabouik | I'm trying to find the benckmarks Rcolistete did on the Jolla compared to Nexus, N9 and other devices | 22:03 |
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| Kabouik | It's on TMO but I can't find it, anyone know which thread it is? | 22:03 |
| Kabouik | It was with mathPlotLib or Num.py but I don't find the benchmarks in the threads | 22:03 |
| cryorat | juhaj, only cli :( | 22:05 |
| Kabouik | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1442696 got it | 22:05 |
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| ninnnu | juhaj: I kinda missed Opera Mobile (the older version that didn't do orientation...), but Webchat is rather okay. Quick googleing says openvpn works at least on command line, apparently there's some gui for it, too. | 22:10 |
| stephg | juhaj: you'll miss NFC, 5GHz wireless and the amoled screen. Apart from that, everything is a bazillion times better | 22:11 |
| keithzg | Is there a decent GUI for OpenVPN yet? I remember running it successfully from the command line, but at the time there wasn't any other way, and it's been a long time since I tried to check. | 22:13 |
| * keithzg 's N9's NFC died about a year ago anyways, heh | 22:14 | |
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| * stephg still has two n9s infront of him, one cracked running nemo and one backup should something happen to his beloved jolla | 22:18 | |
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| stephg | anyway, is bedtiem | 22:18 |
| stephg | 'night folks! | 22:18 |
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| ahjolinna | http://www.thejollablog.com/still-get-100e-discount-buying-jolla/ Here's how get a Jolla phone for only 150€! | 23:21 |
| ahjolinna | damn the discount is not working any more | 23:21 |
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| Acce | answer is Canada | 23:31 |
| Acce | so canada and australia were added, nice | 23:31 |
| coderus | now waiting for discount in other countries outside EU | 23:40 |
| coderus | dear Jolla, we also want to play in your games | 23:40 |
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| pavi | Gues a silly question , why the hell does the phone keep popping up "Select Internet connection" when actually its already connected via Wifi ? I cant find any setting which fixes the phone to wifi and not bug me everytime with the popup. | 23:48 |
| pavi | https://together.jolla.com/question/53124/option-to-disable-the-select-internet-connection-popup/ has an explanation which I dont understand | 23:48 |
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| tigeli | pavi: it popups when agps-data is downloaded (agps is implemented inside the cellular modem) if you do not have enabled the cellular to be used automatically | 23:51 |
| tigeli | pavi: in the future (next update) it will not popup anymore if user has disabled cellular on purpose | 23:52 |
| pavi | tigeli, I have disabled cellular data infact I didnt use it but yes I am using a maps app so it has something to do with it ? | 23:52 |
| tigeli | pavi: yes, agps-data is fetched over cellular.. that's why it "asks" you to enable cellular (it just shows both wlan and cellular which is just wrong) | 23:53 |
| tigeli | pavi: so, in the future it will not show it if you have disabled cellular data and you open maps | 23:53 |
| pavi | tigeli, ahh ok yes now I understood , so it shouldnt ask for wifi at all , it should scream for cellular data | 23:54 |
| tigeli | it also means that getting gps fix takes bit longer if there is no cached agps data | 23:54 |
| tigeli | pavi: yes | 23:54 |
| tigeli | it is confusing | 23:54 |
| pavi | tigeli, I havent yet updated my cellular data but I have used the maps and it got a very accurate fix indoors | 23:55 |
| tigeli | even it would ask for cellular when connected to wlan.. | 23:55 |
| pavi | how was that possible ? | 23:55 |
| tigeli | it would be confusing | 23:55 |
| tigeli | pavi: wlan-positioning | 23:55 |
| pavi | How could wlan give location info ? ( a bit surprised ) | 23:55 |
| pavi | In a browser on laptop if I allow location it goes to another city which had my ISP | 23:56 |
| tigeli | pavi: here-services has database about wlan ssid's and their latitude/longitude data | 23:56 |
| tigeli | pavi: android, ios, wp.. each collect data about wlan ssid's and send them to these databases with gps-data | 23:57 |
| pavi | tigeli, ohh yeah I forgot about it. Yes | 23:57 |
| pavi | Spying :D | 23:57 |
| pavi | And they give it to NSA | 23:57 |
| pavi | so cool | 23:57 |
| tigeli | :) | 23:57 |
| tigeli | last time I moved.. maps pointer me to my old apartment for like 3 weeks | 23:57 |
| tigeli | due my wifis | 23:57 |
| dunp | just randomize mac-address | 23:57 |
| pavi | randomize mac address of what ? my router? | 23:58 |
| tigeli | well, I'm not bothered nsa-knowing my ssid (tigeli) :D | 23:58 |
| tigeli | dunp: you would have to it like daily basis | 23:59 |
| dunp | i have custom mac on my routers :) | 23:59 |
| tigeli | +do | 23:59 |
| dunp | openwrt :) | 23:59 |
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| pavi | tigeli, now that you have mentioned the string "nsa" on a IRC channel , their bot will record your name and add it to spy list . :P Complete monotoring of you , me and even dunp will start from now :D | 23:59 |
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