| pdanek | silver_hook: https://twitter.com/nokia | 00:00 |
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| pdanek | silver_hook: So Nokia will be on Slush and show the future of their company. | 00:01 |
| silver_hook | Hmmm, interesting… | 00:01 |
| pdanek | The Nokia's event will be called "What’s next, Nokia?" | 00:01 |
| pdanek | Listed as the head speaker in the Nokia event is, Sebastian Nyström, “Head of Products Business at Nokia”. Although the name doesn’t explain much, Sebastian is in charge on building the Nokia brand name, as explained below. | 00:01 |
| silver_hook | Let’s see …could be totally unrelated. | 00:02 |
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| Teemu | companies do announce they're going to announce stuff at slush | 05:49 |
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| pp_ | I think they suggested already they're not doing handsets again themselves | 06:07 |
| pp_ | but would be stupid for them to not license the name | 06:07 |
| pp_ | (as long as the end product isn't so crappy they tarnish the brand) | 06:07 |
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| Ezko_ | pp_: doesn't microsoft own the rights for nokia phones naming wise for some years? | 06:12 |
| Ezko_ | and with that nokia is banned from doing phones for the same amount of time or something | 06:12 |
| Bysmyyr_ | for basic phones yes | 06:13 |
| Bysmyyr_ | others only 2016 | 06:13 |
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| pp_ | don't think it's exclusive for featurephones either | 06:14 |
| pp_ | (they're already dropping them) | 06:14 |
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| TemeV | Ezko_: Nokia isnot banned from doing phones, it's just banned doing phones with Nokia brand | 06:34 |
| Teemu | for all eternity, or for a period? | 06:35 |
| Bysmyyr_ | 2016 for non basic phones | 06:36 |
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| Teemu | and ms will diminish the nokia brand from their phones? | 06:37 |
| Teemu | not surprising, they do that to everything they buy so that the generic uninformed customer would think all that was started and invented at seattle | 06:37 |
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| TemeV | I think ms has already started getting rid of Nokia brand | 07:09 |
| Jope | the first microsoft lumia was announced last week | 07:09 |
| Jope | so yes | 07:09 |
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| svuorela | dear jolla. Can't you find another transport partner than Fedex ? | 07:10 |
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| Teemu | mine arrived very soon | 07:14 |
| Teemu | i got it wednesday after ordering it on sunday | 07:14 |
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| svuorela | I'm not questioning the speed of fedex air transport, but the on-the-ground-delivery in at least copenhagen sucks quite a bit. All other transport companies have various drop-off places where you can pick up your packages, likely in cooperation with local supermarkets. Fedex have one such place. at copenhagen airport. | 07:20 |
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| Stskeeps | svuorela: it comes down to that there's practically no alternative.. from what i grok, even dhl is fedex in .fi | 07:20 |
| Stskeeps | standard post can't be used due to itella not having license to transport batteries or something like that by air | 07:20 |
| svuorela | Stskeeps: dhl in .dk has drop-off points in most Netto supermarkets | 07:21 |
| svuorela | but well. I'll go to the airport tomorrow afternoon | 07:22 |
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| Teemu | Stskeeps: interestingly, as dhl/fedex subcontractor, itella (the post office in finland for those not in the know) delivers lithium batteries just fine | 07:23 |
| Teemu | they're just being obnoxiously kafkist about what they do | 07:23 |
| Teemu | just like their name suggests, after all they chose to change the name from "posti" to "itella" as they thought nobody understands what a post office does but somehow the nonword itella means package delivery to just about everybody in every languate | 07:24 |
| Teemu | language even | 07:24 |
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| Nicd- | Teemu: but now they changed it from itella back to posti | 07:27 |
| Teemu | oh they did? | 07:27 |
| Teemu | that's actually pretty cool | 07:27 |
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| xkr47 | which vcard version does jolla support? | 08:26 |
| xkr47 | 2.1, 3.0 or 4.0 ? | 08:26 |
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| lainwir3d | hi | 08:44 |
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| warfare | Hi there. Are there any issues with Contact visibility for Android apps? Threema doesn't pick up any of my contacts.. | 09:25 |
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| tbr | are you on U8 or U9? (I seem to vaguely remember there was a difference) | 09:29 |
| warfare | tbr: U9 | 09:29 |
| tbr | mhhhm | 09:30 |
| warfare | WhatsApp sometimes picks up contacts but after some time. It looks like contacts are loaded one by one. | 09:30 |
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| pdanek | Nokia event tomorrow! | 09:31 |
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| Scelt | pdanek: link | 09:34 |
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| SK_work | pdanek: ha ? | 09:38 |
| pdanek | I don't have link. :D | 09:38 |
| pdanek | I just know they will have event on Slush. | 09:38 |
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| pdanek | SK_work: Scelt: http://www.slush.org/agenda/schedule/ - 11:25 | 09:56 |
| pdanek | Will it really have just 5 minutes? Or am I missing something? | 09:56 |
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| ggabriel | 20' | 09:57 |
| SK_work | pdanek: Jolla announce is @ 12 | 09:57 |
| SK_work | I mean, countdown on jolla.com | 09:57 |
| SK_work | so weired | 09:57 |
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| pdanek | I'm speaking about Nokia event now. | 09:58 |
| Scelt | pdanek: different stages | 09:58 |
| SK_work | pdanek: ha ? | 09:59 |
| SK_work | ok | 09:59 |
| SK_work | :) | 09:59 |
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| SK_work | Scelt: awesome | 09:59 |
| SK_work | pdanek: awesome, but no livestream | 09:59 |
| SK_work | :/ | 09:59 |
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| pdanek | :/ | 10:04 |
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| meklu | SK_work: ? | 10:12 |
| meklu | seems to be @ 11 | 10:12 |
| meklu | (+0200) | 10:13 |
| meklu | pdanek: 11:25 – 11:45 | 10:13 |
| meklu | there are different stages I guess | 10:14 |
| pdanek | Nokia is tomorrow, Jolla is day after tomorrow. | 10:14 |
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| SK_work | pdanek: :( | 10:19 |
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| TemeV | warfare: I recall a recommendation to restart alien dalvik, if there is problem with contacts | 10:23 |
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| warfare | TemeV: I did that multiple times, didn't help. | 12:53 |
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| Nicd- | anyone know what "mmc_sd_init_card() failure (err = -110)" means when connecting SD card? | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | means sd card can't be initialized | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | i usually cure it by putting it in another sd card reader | 13:39 |
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| Nicd- | ok, I'll try that | 13:39 |
| Nicd- | phone hasn't been able to mount the card for months | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | it might be that it's simply dead | 13:40 |
| Nicd- | that would be most unfortunate. it's not an old card :/ | 13:40 |
| Nicd- | does the error code hint at anything? | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | no, it's pretty generic | 13:41 |
| Nicd- | I also get "signondaemon Failed to SUID root." regularly. not related to the SD card but doesn't sound too good :D | 13:42 |
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| Stskeeps | that's normal | 13:44 |
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| meklu | snafu? | 13:45 |
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| coderus | Stskeeps: chmod 4755 /usr/bin/signond ? :D | 13:50 |
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| Nicd- | hmh, seems my card isn't detected even on my laptop :( | 14:03 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: :( | 14:06 |
| Nicd- | guess it's dead then | 14:06 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: sandisk? | 14:06 |
| Nicd- | kingston | 14:06 |
| ggabriel | ummm | 14:06 |
| ggabriel | get it replaced | 14:06 |
| Nicd- | yeah, gotta find the receipt. if we even have it anymore <_< | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | normally you don't need one | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | just very good eyes to read the sn :) | 14:07 |
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| Nicd- | do I talk to kingston directly then? | 14:08 |
| ggabriel | that's what i would do | 14:09 |
| Tegu | the jolla store does not load for me.. :/ | 14:09 |
| ggabriel | but not sure how kingston works tbh | 14:09 |
| ggabriel | Tegu: works for me | 14:09 |
| Tegu | oki | 14:09 |
| Tegu | good to know, so it's just me | 14:10 |
| rigo | nicd, you can talk to both, the shop and kingston. Those are very different actions, in case you want to take recourse. It also depends where you are | 14:11 |
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| Nicd- | "If you believe you have a faulty product that requires replacement, please contact your point of purchase directly for their assistance in handling the warranty on your product." | 14:13 |
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| Scelt | https://twitter.com/nokia/status/534345460333285377/photo/1 | 14:21 |
| Nicd- | oooh | 14:22 |
| entil | nokia.ly? really? :D | 14:22 |
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| Nicd- | whatever it is, I'm excited | 14:22 |
| entil | jolla announces something big for tomorrow | 14:22 |
| entil | nokia announces something big for tomorrow | 14:23 |
| entil | coincidence? YOU DECIDE! | 14:23 |
| Scelt | entil: jolla day after tomorrow | 14:24 |
| entil | oh crap | 14:24 |
| entil | there goes my conspiracy theory | 14:24 |
| meklu | well, there's no .ia TLD | 14:25 |
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| tadzik | the box looks like n900's box | 14:26 |
| entil | sure, but I thought the .ly domain meme was dead by now | 14:26 |
| pdanek | It would be so cool if Nokia starts making Sailfish phones. | 14:26 |
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| Nicd- | it's not going to happen :P | 14:26 |
| pdanek | Yea, they will make Android. | 14:27 |
| pdanek | Android smartphones | 14:27 |
| entil | just what the market needs, more android | 14:27 |
| pdanek | Or, maybe there was all the time supersecret team of 300 people in Nokia, who worked on supersecret BSD-based OS. | 14:28 |
| pdanek | Now it's finally better than anything else on the market. | 14:28 |
| pdanek | And they will release it. | 14:28 |
| tadzik | meltemi? :P | 14:28 |
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| pdanek | Meltemi is cool name for OS actually. | 14:29 |
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| pdanek | But Nokia will name their OSes based on Indian foods. | 14:30 |
| SK_work | pdanek: no | 14:30 |
| pdanek | Just because. | 14:30 |
| SK_work | entil: another conspiracy theory: ZTE have an announcement the same day as Jolla | 14:30 |
| entil | :o | 14:30 |
| Nicd- | didn't nokia say they are not getting back into the smartphone business? | 14:30 |
| entil | maybe they're all about rubber boots | 14:31 |
| pdanek | Nicd-: Maybe longer time ago, things change. | 14:31 |
| entil | SK_work: unfortunately it's slush, everyone's got to announce something | 14:31 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: they said no | 14:31 |
| Nicd- | pdanek: no, just now | 14:31 |
| Nicd- | '"We are not looking to a direct consumer return to handsets per se," he said, but added that the Nokia "brand will return to the consumer world" through licensing deals in the longer term."' | 14:31 |
| Nicd- | http://www.zdnet.com/nokia-says-no-return-to-handsets-as-ceo-lays-out-its-plans-for-the-future-7000035809/ | 14:32 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: licensing deals | 14:33 |
| pdanek | You must still believe! | 14:33 |
| SK_work | think Nokia Here for SailfishOS | 14:33 |
| SK_work | etc. | 14:33 |
| SK_work | or for Android, as what they are exactly doing | 14:33 |
| Nicd- | well, Sailfish is nothing in Nokia's scale so I doubt they would spend time porting their map app | 14:34 |
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| SK_work | Nicd-: you got Here android :) | 14:41 |
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| tadzik | *grumble* | 14:47 |
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| Teemu | entil: what are YOU announcing? | 15:09 |
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| kwork | hello, anyone has any idea, by any chance is the "something big" new hw revision of jolla ? | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | kwork: there are many theories | 15:33 |
| kwork | i hope it isnt tablet :P | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | but i think the whole idea of setting up a countdown and such is that the thing remains secret | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | i personally think it's a spare battery | 15:33 |
| kwork | ggabriel: generally how happy you are with android apps on sailfish ? | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | i dislike anything android with all my heart | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | sadly, uber works in android or ios or windows | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | so i use that every now and then | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | and my battery goes to very deep levels | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | having said that, uber works better on sailfish than on android native | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | so go figure | 15:34 |
| tadzik | how does it work better? | 15:35 |
| kwork | im wondering would i be able to run something likes ingress without issues | 15:35 |
| ggabriel | works better compared to a faster phone, even | 15:35 |
| tadzik | I see | 15:35 |
| ggabriel | tadzik: it locates me instantly | 15:35 |
| kwork | im a bit sceared of the "low spec" of jolla | 15:35 |
| ggabriel | so, it loads faster on the android native | 15:35 |
| ggabriel | but i can request a cab faster on the jolla | 15:35 |
| SK_work | ggabriel: rendering ? | 15:35 |
| ggabriel | no, just loading speed | 15:35 |
| ggabriel | rendering is the same speed i'd say | 15:35 |
| tadzik | imho specs in phones are bullshit | 15:36 |
| tadzik | you're not going to compile stuff on it anyway | 15:36 |
| tadzik | does it run snappily? Yep. Then who cares what's below | 15:36 |
| tadzik | higher specs merely allow people to write shitty apps | 15:36 |
| Yaniel | it's not like mobile games have quality settings either | 15:36 |
| kwork | tadzik: thats the thing, i doubt it runs good on old hw :P | 15:36 |
| SK_work | tadzik: low specs of the Jolla are being limiting atm | 15:37 |
| SK_work | 1 gig ram is not enough for the demanding gecko based browser | 15:37 |
| tadzik | SK_work: for whom? | 15:37 |
| tadzik | ah | 15:37 |
| SK_work | also, filesystem seems to be quite slow | 15:37 |
| SK_work | but don't know for other devices | 15:38 |
| SK_work | more ram would help an hypotetically Jolla 2 | 15:38 |
| SK_work | better screen plz too | 15:38 |
| ggabriel | fs slow? | 15:38 |
| ggabriel | ummm | 15:38 |
| kwork | imho they had quite oudated hw spec by the time of launch | 15:38 |
| ggabriel | i disagree on that one | 15:38 |
| kwork | but thats understandable | 15:38 |
| SK_work | ggabriel: db ops are quite slow | 15:38 |
| SK_work | (voice call opening etc.) | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | haven't experienced that | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | but i don't hammer the main fs | 15:39 |
| SK_work | ggabriel: or contacts | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | contacts is pretty fast for me | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | and i have loads of them | 15:39 |
| SK_work | what I do expect is smoothness | 15:39 |
| SK_work | and with Qt's archuitecture (ie: main thread also do rendering), it is not sure that it will ever happen | 15:40 |
| SK_work | (sadly) | 15:40 |
| SK_work | BB10 seems (as I don't know it much) to manage it in a better way | 15:40 |
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| sledges | callrecorder new version! \o/ https://twitter.com/dpurgin/status/534365540152639488 | 15:47 |
| pdanek | http://company.nokia.com/sites/default/files/download/ramzi-haidamus-president-nokia_technologies_0.pdf | 15:47 |
| pdanek | Slide 15: Nokia can license the Nokia brand for handsets from Q4 2016 and for other devices already now. | 15:49 |
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| pdanek | So we may still see Nokia Sailfish smartphone in the future. | 15:49 |
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| ggabriel | why would you pay so that the phone says "nokia"? | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | unless they're licensing something else? | 15:50 |
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| Nav | Once upon a time it meant you were getting a nice well made phone... Sadly that hasn't been the case for rather a long time. | 15:52 |
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| Nav | I wonder what they're up to. | 15:53 |
| ggabriel | Nav: but that's different from licensing | 15:53 |
| ggabriel | it isn't like they'll make/design the phone for you | 15:53 |
| ggabriel | you get to stick a label | 15:53 |
| Nav | ggabriel: Yeah, licencing the name isn't going to help given the recent tat they've turned out | 15:53 |
| tigeli | ggabriel: not for all people.. they still see "nokia" in it | 15:53 |
| ggabriel | or maybe they'll inmpoise some quality | 15:53 |
| Nav | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2pgXV7CUAABW3A.jpg | 15:54 |
| Nav | Launching (or at least announcing) *something* at slush | 15:55 |
| Nav | The day before Jolla | 15:55 |
| Nav | 1 day 9 hours 4 minutes.... | 15:56 |
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| ggabriel | the horror! :) | 15:58 |
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| sledges | similar colours | 16:05 |
| AL13N_work | what is that? i can't read the brand on top | 16:06 |
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| Wnt | AL13N_work: nokia's mysterybox http://company.nokia.com/sites/default/files/frontpage/teaserbox_0.jpg | 16:08 |
| Tegu | that twimg picture? it says NOKIA, it seems | 16:08 |
| SK_work | it looks like ... | 16:09 |
| SK_work | a box | 16:09 |
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| Wnt | Nokia is also attending Slush, they have a speaker slot there tomorrow with title "What's next, Nokia?" | 16:10 |
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| AL13N_work | when i saw jolla's thing, it looked like maybe a new TOH or something, but now that i look at it, it looks like a battery | 16:12 |
| AL13N_work | could this be a jolla-battery that's bigger in charge or something? | 16:13 |
| SK_work | AL13N_work: I definitely think it is a phone / tablet | 16:13 |
| SK_work | why make a fuss about a battery | 16:13 |
| SK_work | or maybe a super innovative OH | 16:13 |
| AL13N_work | i don't think i's a phone or a tablet | 16:13 |
| AL13N_work | an TOH that i could get | 16:13 |
| AL13N_work | i don't think it's the right time to get a new phone out... tablet possibly, but doubtful | 16:14 |
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| ggabriel | has to be a battery :P | 16:15 |
| Wnt | If Jolla is trying to focus on the operating system more than selling devices I don't think another phone would benefit their primary goal | 16:16 |
| ggabriel | you could say the same about a tablet | 16:16 |
| Wnt | but their UI designer recently blogged about how Sailfish would work on bigger screens: http://jaakkoroppola.blogspot.fi/2014/10/multi-touch-and-bigger-screens.html | 16:16 |
| Wnt | they do need a device to demo their tablet version :) | 16:17 |
| SK_work | want a nes phone honestly | 16:17 |
| SK_work | new | 16:17 |
| SK_work | well a phone on which I can play nes can be good too :) | 16:18 |
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| AL13N_work | i bet you could play nes on the jolla... | 16:20 |
| SK_work | AL13N_work: you can | 16:20 |
| SK_work | no emulator though | 16:20 |
| AL13N_work | i would need some work on porting the emulators | 16:20 |
| SK_work | (yet) | 16:20 |
| AL13N_work | *it | 16:20 |
| AL13N_work | bigger screens... yeah, i read something about that too | 16:20 |
| AL13N_work | i guess tablet is getting more likely then | 16:21 |
| SK_work | bigger screen plz | 16:21 |
| SK_work | bigger form factor no plz | 16:21 |
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| sec | Not a new device imo | 16:44 |
| dr_gogeta86 | lbt, hype hype hype | 16:44 |
| sec | Not when you've just been introducing it officially around half the world | 16:44 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i wanna just choccolate | 16:44 |
| lbt | haha | 16:44 |
| ruskie | http://www.dailytech.com/Nokia+Brand+to+Live+on+with+Thirdparty+Devices+Company+Teases+New+Product/article36898.htm <-- hmmm I suspected something like this | 16:45 |
| dr_gogeta86 | lbt, but xdacon slides ? | 16:45 |
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| lbt | dr_gogeta86: mmm ? | 16:45 |
| lbt | I thought I sent them in | 16:45 |
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| Wnt | interesting, there has been some recent developments on supporting a sliding keyboard on the Sailfish OS: https://github.com/spiiroin/mce/commits/wip_configurable_evdev | 16:50 |
| SK_work | Wnt: it is linked to TOHKBD | 16:51 |
| Wnt | that could of course be related on the TOHKBD | 16:51 |
| SK_work | ah no | 16:51 |
| SK_work | it is related to this Sailfish on android devices thinkg | 16:51 |
| SK_work | they have android devices with sliding kbd to support | 16:51 |
| SK_work | HTC Desire Z was on someone's porting checklist | 16:51 |
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| Wnt | other than that I could not find any HW related updates from nemo repos :) | 16:53 |
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| SK_work | Wnt: same | 16:54 |
| SK_work | I watched the github repo updates | 16:54 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | SK_work, sledges have desire Z | 16:56 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | SK_work, a good patch to be on mce will be imho screencap with power and volume down | 16:58 |
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| Nav | That was the first thing I checked when I saw http://company.nokia.com/sites/default/files/frontpage/teaserbox_0.jpg | 17:06 |
| Nav | oops, wrong window :-) | 17:06 |
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| ahjolinna | Nokia TV? https://twitter.com/nokia/status/534345460333285377 | 17:45 |
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| Sailor7919 | hi | 17:46 |
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| Milo- | Looks like a phone. | 17:47 |
| Milo- | I bet that's a phone | 17:47 |
| Milo- | maybe with a hologram monitor and a 3D camera. | 17:48 |
| Nicd- | it looks nothing like a phone to me | 17:48 |
| Milo- | for science fiction video conferences. | 17:48 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: it looks like a box | 17:48 |
| Nicd- | or maybe it's the thickest phone ever | 17:48 |
| SK_work | to put a phone in | 17:48 |
| Milo- | it's obviously a phone! | 17:48 |
| SK_work | reminds me of my N950 devkit box | 17:48 |
| Milo- | maybe not a mobile phone | 17:48 |
| Milo- | but it must be a phone | 17:48 |
| Nicd- | but as I said, they're not doing phones anymore | 17:48 |
| tbr | SK_work: heh, had the same thought... | 17:48 |
| Sailor7919 | is a entertainment box! | 17:49 |
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| pp_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DBox2 +1! | 17:53 |
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| tbr | pp_: lol | 17:54 |
| sjtoik | i remember a stack of those boxes at the university | 17:55 |
| * tbr still owns a few, only one in semi active use... | 17:56 | |
| sjtoik | nokia "forgot" them at the trunk of my co-worker | 17:56 |
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| sec | Anyone here have a N900? | 18:00 |
| Nav | o/ | 18:00 |
| Jope | o/ | 18:00 |
| Jope | wanna buy? :-D | 18:00 |
| sec | D: | 18:00 |
| sec | No, I was just going to ask what do you do with it, since now, you obviously have another phone. | 18:00 |
| sec | Anything interesting? | 18:00 |
| Jope | I keep it on my shelf | 18:01 |
| Jope | the only icon in the home screen is xterm | 18:01 |
| Jope | :-D | 18:01 |
| sec | :P | 18:01 |
| Nav | It mostly runs kismet :-) | 18:01 |
| SK_work | :D | 18:01 |
| Jope | I used to mess around with nemo | 18:01 |
| sec | Ah I wanna mess around with nemo too | 18:01 |
| Jope | but it's been reflashed to fremantle for ages | 18:01 |
| Jope | perhaps get a more modern phone :-D | 18:01 |
| Jope | the n900 is best suited to run maemo | 18:01 |
| sec | After I mess around with Debian, which I can't because I lost the damn magnet | 18:01 |
| Nicd- | I have one too, it's just collecting dust | 18:02 |
| sec | :( | 18:02 |
| sec | Nicd-, how's your weechat client going? | 18:02 |
| Nav | I did notice the last time I used it that the backlighting under the left hand side of the keyboard was getting flickery | 18:02 |
| Nav | :-( | 18:02 |
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| Nicd- | sec: https://plus.google.com/+MikkoAhlroth/posts/GuhMqCj83uF | 18:05 |
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| sec | Looks great! | 18:08 |
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| Venemo | these speculations are getting hilarious | 18:27 |
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| Yaniel | hmm? | 18:27 |
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| AL13N | Venemo: what's your speculation | 18:32 |
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| Venemo | I would prefer not to speculate | 18:32 |
| Venemo | but there are a bunch of funny ones on the web | 18:32 |
| AL13N | i just have the thought that if you do something like this, the speculations get out of hand, and people are disappointed when it's actually released | 18:32 |
| AL13N | the, i guess there's no such thing as bad publicity | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | people will anyway build their own perception of what they expect, no matter the relation to stated facts or product specifications or what's said.. | 18:33 |
| AL13N | true | 18:33 |
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| AL13N | a new phone is definately not feasible, a tablet is a bit possible, but it sounds too early/costly to me, a special TOH or a new battery could be possible,.. | 18:35 |
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| Venemo | anything is feasible, who knows | 18:36 |
| Venemo | anyway, ttyl | 18:36 |
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| sec | http://i.imgur.com/spksssk.jpg | 18:48 |
| sec | eh he he he | 18:48 |
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| jake9xx | interesting web page, sailors | 19:26 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: tarballin' | 19:37 |
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| * tbr hugs Stskeeps :) | 19:39 | |
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| kimmoli | anyone, beer ? helsinki? | 21:30 |
| tbr | I wish... | 21:31 |
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| tbr | someone mentioned the prices for slush and I decided "maybe not on my tight budget" | 21:31 |
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| pdanek | Hmm, | 21:33 |
| pdanek | Maybe next year. | 21:34 |
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| dunp | 2G "pocket"mode to phone and jump to 4g when user use active it... | 21:44 |
| * stephg *sighs* | 21:47 | |
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| Kathar | Hi there | 22:19 |
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| Kathar | my jolla device won’t turn on its screen after reboot, anybody can help me ? | 22:20 |
| Kathar | (I can access it by ssh) | 22:20 |
| tbr | does the jolla logo show on boot? | 22:21 |
| Kathar | yes | 22:21 |
| tbr | so you just can't get to the home screen? neither by double tap nor by power button? | 22:21 |
| Kathar | right. | 22:21 |
| Kathar | double tap does nothing | 22:21 |
| tbr | did you install anything that's not from the official jolla store? | 22:22 |
| Kathar | and power button switches the state of the LED between white and off | 22:22 |
| Kathar | not recently | 22:22 |
| tbr | and before recently? | 22:22 |
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| Kathar | I installed harbour store | 22:22 |
| Kathar | and some apps from there | 22:23 |
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| Morpog_PC | erm, you mean warehouse? | 22:23 |
| Kathar | oh yes | 22:23 |
| * tbr slowly backs away | 22:23 | |
| * Morpog_PC pokes tbr | 22:23 | |
| Kathar | I guess it could be the proximity sensor stuck, but I don’t know how to debug that | 22:24 |
| tbr | look at it with a webcam or a digital camera | 22:25 |
| sledges | power button ignores proxim sensor | 22:25 |
| Kathar | oh, no, I think I did install a lib before rebooting… | 22:26 |
| Kathar | (for enabling gdb-server) | 22:26 |
| sledges | Kathar: just type lipstick and see if it explodes about libs (next checks are via systemctl status lipstick) | 22:27 |
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| Kathar | well I found lots of /opt/alien/system/genv/bin/alien_gps_server: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libQt5Qml.so.5: […] in journalctl | 22:28 |
| * sledges slowly backs away | 22:28 | |
| Kathar | so I guess I know where to look | 22:28 |
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| AL13N | what's the white led for? | 22:33 |
| AL13N | i know the red and green one | 22:33 |
| AL13N | and... what is alien_gps_sensor ??? | 22:34 |
| AL13N | is that a racist comment??? | 22:34 |
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| keithzg | Damn, I had thought that the later steps would be the hard part, but using the official factory images from Google I nonetheless get an endless boot animation . . . makes it hard to dual-boot with SailfishOS when I can't even successfully single-boot, heh. | 22:39 |
| Kathar | OK, so zypper upgraded the followig packages: qt5-qtdeclarative qt5-qtdeclarative-import-localstorageplugin qt5-qtdeclarative-import-models2 qt5-qtdeclarative-import-particles2 qt5-qtdeclarative-import-qtquick2plugin qt5-qtdeclarative-import-window2 qt5-qtdeclarative-import-xmllistmodel qt5-qtdeclarative-qtquick qt5-qtdeclarative-qtquickparticles. | 22:39 |
| Kathar | I guess this has to do with my bug, but how do I revert back ? | 22:40 |
| AL13N | maybe wait until the next upgrade? | 22:40 |
| Morpog_PC | factory reset? | 22:41 |
| Kathar | well my screen is black, can I do a factory reset in command line ? | 22:41 |
| AL13N | disable the warehouse and other stuff and try to fetch the rpms in question, then install them with rpm with --old-package --replace-files --replace-pkgs and hope + pray | 22:41 |
| AL13N | Kathar: how about the boot loader? | 22:42 |
| Kathar | I have the log of the upgrade (thank you big history in my urxvt), but it doesn’t tell the version that was installed before upgrade ;/ | 22:42 |
| Kathar | boot loader ? | 22:43 |
| Morpog_PC | Kathar, https://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-computer-users-recover-or-reset-a-device-that-is-stuck-in-boot-loop/ | 22:43 |
| AL13N | boot menu or whachamacallit | 22:43 |
| AL13N | Recovery Mode! | 22:43 |
| AL13N | aha | 22:43 |
| Kathar | OK, thanks for the link, I’ll try this if the downgrade fail | 22:44 |
| AL13N | i was thinking the new upgrade might have more chance | 22:45 |
| AL13N | and it's probably soon-ish | 22:45 |
| AL13N | maybe | 22:45 |
| Morpog_PC | probably :D | 22:45 |
| AL13N | like in a few weeks | 22:45 |
| AL13N | eventually at least | 22:45 |
| Morpog_PC | maybe Marc pushes the button on Slush? :D | 22:45 |
| AL13N | Morpog_PC: if jolla is doing big things, they probably don't have time for upgrade atm, it's gonna be on hold probably for a little bit | 22:46 |
| * AL13N cues that song about pushing the button | 22:46 | |
| stephg | bedtiem | 22:46 |
| stephg | gnight folks | 22:46 |
| Morpog_PC | same here | 22:46 |
| Morpog_PC | gnight | 22:47 |
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| Kathar | anybody can tell the version they have of these packages on their device ? qt5-qtdeclarative qt5-qtdeclarative-import-localstorageplugin qt5-qtdeclarative-import-models2 qt5-qtdeclarative-import-particles2 qt5-qtdeclarative-import-qtquick2plugin qt5-qtdeclarative-import-window2 qt5-qtdeclarative-import-xmllistmodel qt5-qtdeclarative-qtquick qt5-qtdeclarative-qtquickparticles lipstick-qt5 lipstick-jolla-home-qt5 | 22:47 |
| Kathar | (so that I can compare, and maybe force downgrade if I find the right command line) | 22:48 |
| keithzg | Clearly we need a version of packages.debian.org for SailfishOS/Jolla! | 22:49 |
| * keithzg can't help out since he took his Nexus 4 to work today and is trying to flash Android 5.0, SailfishOS and Ubuntu Touch on it...hilariously, it's the *first* of those three that's causing issues) | 22:50 | |
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| Kathar | +1 keithzg, and apt ! | 22:50 |
| Kathar | <debian guy too, a bit lost with rpm tools> | 22:51 |
| keithzg | Yeah I assumed because of that Ubuntu Touch would be somewhat more familiar under the hood than SailfishOS...I really, really don't like RPM *or* PackageKit, heh. | 22:51 |
| fennekki | apt is kind of | 22:51 |
| fennekki | durr | 22:51 |
| fennekki | both pacman and emerge have worked better than it, at least | 22:52 |
| keithzg | I've never backed myself into an insolvable problem with DEB-based distros, whereas I definitely have with RPM-based distros. | 22:52 |
| fennekki | I only ever used yum twice and not any other RPM stuff so can't say about RPM | 22:52 |
| fennekki | but dpkg is kind of terrible | 22:52 |
| keithzg | Ehhh I dunno | 22:52 |
| keithzg | I've manually created debs from hand and it's pretty simple, whereas my eyes glaze over when I try to figure out RPMs, heh. | 22:53 |
| keithzg | A lot of that is just familiarity, though. | 22:53 |
| keithzg | But apt-get has gotten pretty good at problem resolution these days, and aptitude has long been quite fantastic at it, IMHO. | 22:53 |
| fennekki | Well | 22:54 |
| keithzg | Whereas I always bounce off of emerge. | 22:54 |
| fennekki | maybe it's evolved since 2007 | 22:54 |
| keithzg | Never used pacman though. | 22:54 |
| fennekki | emerge is easy as balls... once you've got it configured | 22:54 |
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| keithzg | Yeah I think *all* package managers have evolved since 2007, otherwise I'm sure my Jolla would be in RPM hell half the time :P | 22:54 |
| fennekki | heh | 22:54 |
| fennekki | but yeah, basically, emerge is a system that uses rsync to download the portage tree, then builds packages based on little scripts | 22:55 |
| fennekki | the Arch Build System (abs) works pretty much the same | 22:55 |
| fennekki | except you usually just use binary packages on Arch | 22:55 |
| fennekki | which is what pacman is for | 22:55 |
| fennekki | man, the best thing about Arch is that there's AUR | 22:56 |
| keithzg | We call those PPAs in *buntu land ;) | 22:56 |
| keithzg | Anyways though I kinda did think Ubuntu Touch would be more familiar since it's the same thing under the hood as I run daily, but they made a kindof weird (although understandable, from certain perspectives choice). | 22:57 |
| keithzg | The system partition is read-only. | 22:57 |
| keithzg | So if you want to go "apt-get install git", no, you can't actually. | 22:58 |
| keithzg | Now, you can switch it to read-write, but that disables system updates. | 22:58 |
| keithzg | So in that sense, for someone like me who loves tinkering *and* love getting what's new and shiny, Jolla/SailfishOS is a far more familiar paradigm even if the specific tools are somewhat unfamiliar. | 22:59 |
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| dist | I have 10.0.0.5 and when I try to update it I just get "Checking.. *rolling*" | 23:34 |
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| dist | Just did a recovery and used factory reset from that | 23:34 |
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| dist | Tried two different wifis. Looks like the connection is working (and I can use the browser) | 23:35 |
| dist | And now it even claims that this is up to date | 23:37 |
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| tigeli | dist: have you added the jolla-account to your device? | 23:40 |
| dist | Nope | 23:40 |
| tigeli | dist: on 1.0.0.5 it takes bit time to check the availability of the updates | 23:40 |
| dist | Should I? | 23:40 |
| tigeli | dist: ok, please add jolla-account to your device from settings->accounts->pulley menu | 23:40 |
| tigeli | dist: you can't update without adding it | 23:41 |
| dist | Oh. Right. =D | 23:41 |
| dist | That wasn't immediately obvious =D | 23:41 |
| tigeli | sure, it would be nice if there would be an error message.. :) | 23:41 |
| dist | Heh | 23:41 |
| dist | Yeah | 23:41 |
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| tigeli | I bet there is on the newer releases.. but if your devices factory image is 1.0.0.5 then you are out of luck ;) | 23:42 |
| tigeli | dist: but it should work after adding the account :) | 23:42 |
| dist | Any way to update that? | 23:42 |
| dist | Recovery image that is | 23:43 |
| tigeli | dist: by end user, not really though you can play with btrfs-snapshots. Eg. you could create a snapshot after you have upgraded and then again fallback to that if you need to "reset" the device | 23:45 |
| tigeli | dist: the official way would be reflashing | 23:45 |
| dist | Can a user do that? | 23:46 |
| tigeli | nope :( | 23:46 |
| dist | Well. You can replace the btrfs snapshot yeah, but no flashing? | 23:46 |
| tigeli | yeah | 23:46 |
| dist | Can fast boot be used for anything? | 23:46 |
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| tigeli | dist: well.. you would need to unlock bootloader | 23:47 |
| tigeli | which is possible | 23:47 |
| dist | recovery menu had that, does it work? =D | 23:47 |
| tigeli | yes it does | 23:48 |
| tigeli | dist: https://together.jolla.com/question/21894/1038-naamankajarvi-unlocking-bootloader/ | 23:48 |
| dist | How do I relock the bootloader? (after having inadvertently unlocked it, then inadvertently bricked my Jolla, even a factory reset didn't relock the bootloader) | 23:48 |
| dist | There's that question which I was about to ask too =D | 23:48 |
| tigeli | dist: iirc, you can lock it back through recovery menu | 23:50 |
| tigeli | can't | 23:50 |
| dist | Well. I guess I'll leave it for now.. Added Jolla account, boot and trying to find some patience (not very good at it) | 23:51 |
| tigeli | dist: not sure if fastboot oem lock works without the key | 23:52 |
| tigeli | and too tired to try out | 23:53 |
| dist | maybe I'll get an update eventually.. | 23:53 |
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| tigeli | dist: it can take some time.. did you already check through settings -> check for update? | 23:59 |
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