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| chem|st | so bluntly, from a user perspective... where are my 20 days standby? where are my 10h talktime? where is my BT4.0 EDR HS? why does android get a HERE beta fully functional and we cannot even sync our collection... and so on... (I just recognized that my phone lost 2% battery within one hour, in standby flat on my table no apps open, well settings but that does not count, does it?) | 00:40 |
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| just4info | i noticed the 2% drop too, guess it's some kind of visual bug or something, over all the battery time is quite good | 00:41 |
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| chem|st | just4info: visual bug? do you get more than 5 days out of it? | 00:42 |
| just4info | chem|st, i got the phone in daily use (i'm calling it my own since about a week now) , the battery lasts usually 1.5-2 days, which is quite good for a smarphone of this size (atleast in my opinion) | 00:44 |
| chem|st | just4info: well, yes, but it is advertised 500hours, with a daily alarm close to no phonecalls and not using it much for anything I get about 5 days | 00:45 |
| chem|st | being offline 90% of the time | 00:45 |
| just4info | chem|st, all in all i'm completely happy with the phone, exactly what i expected, though there are a few things which bug me with the os, but since it's a linux i can easily fix that on my own | 00:45 |
| chem|st | what bugs you? | 00:46 |
| chem|st | just4info: I am no user but sometimes it is really frustrating that a company that advertises to be different has the same marketing sheep like any other company | 00:46 |
| just4info | well, there are a few things, a few mates of me got one aswell, we'll meet up next week to discuss what we'll work on, so far these projects are fixed: | 00:47 |
| just4info | 1) an extended battery back on the oth 2) an sms client on the computer like it used to be in good old nokia times 3) improving the call's logs, while it's current minimalism has it's point, we need something different for work | 00:48 |
| chem|st | three things I am pretty not interested in... well the call-log xml needs some love but ok - sending sms from your computer means either having wlan on or usb plugged in, wlan dies if no account blocks it, even transfering data, downloading something does not keep it alive | 00:51 |
| just4info | chem|st, by now, i bought enoth tech products, to know that it's more important to decide wether to buy a product or not on user reviews, rather than the companys advertisment | 00:51 |
| just4info | oh realy? didn't have wlan problems yet | 00:52 |
| chem|st | just4info: I wanted to point out that there is something wrong with jolla marketing and $user does not care about maemo.org jollatides et al | 00:52 |
| just4info | yes, the idea is to support usb/wlan/bluetooth, i used to love writing sms on my pc, if i'm sitting infront of it anyways, sadly most current phones don't support it anymore | 00:53 |
| chem|st | how about https://together.jolla.com/question/42078/jolla-radar-an-unlike-suite-to-get-rid-of-mtp/ | 00:54 |
| just4info | jolla does stat that they arn't aiming for the mass with their product, which makes sense | 00:54 |
| chem|st | developers arent forced to develop for sailfish, they can just tinker with their android version of an app until it works on a jolla - sad but that is what the store looks like atm - the meego/maemo community + some rare genius are the only people I see developing for sailfish atm | 00:56 |
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| just4info | chem|st, thanks for the link, i'm aware that there are a few options out there, the question is if they would fit our needs, in the worst case we'll write our own tool (shouldn't take longer than a week anyways) | 00:57 |
| just4info | tbh, the only reason i installed the android support is to be able to acess to one app of a local company | 00:58 |
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| just4info | all i use my phone for is the calender/calling/sms/email/playingMusic and looking something up in the web here and there | 00:59 |
| just4info | and in the case of the jolla phone now: i abuse it as a toy :P | 01:00 |
| just4info | tbh i think it's a shame that android apps do have even a slight chance to have access to the phone, i'd rather like to see it fully sandboxed | 01:01 |
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| just4info | chem|st, which app limitations did you encounter yet? | 01:03 |
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| chem|st | calendar sync with owncloud - have reminders properly - have an overview for upcoming events in events-page, sip integration is missing, cannot send contacts as sms, email has no threaded view - no secondary inbox - no pgp, mediaplayer is annoying when it comes to playlists - favourites - restarting - accidentially tapping something instead of longtapping and your playlist is gone (just to mention yours in order of appearance) | 01:20 |
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| just4info_ | . | 01:21 |
| just4info_ | true, the calender definitly needs some improvement, some different view modes would be nice | 01:21 |
| just4info_ | can't say anything about the owncloud sync yet, i've to get my server ready again | 01:22 |
| chem|st | I'd add, it is a jolla why is there no columbus navigation toolkit? import/export positioning data, tracking, logging etc | 01:22 |
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| chem|st | calendar, I cannot sync with my communigate server too | 01:23 |
| chem|st | it shows the account, the calendar but it is empty | 01:23 |
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| just4info_ | one thing i noticed is that the video player doesn't support multi tasking yet | 01:24 |
| chem|st | nothing supports multitasking yet | 01:24 |
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| just4info_ | well the browser somehow does, same for most of the other stuff | 01:24 |
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| chem|st | if you call multitasking to have several apps open at the same time then we have multitasking, if you call proper workflow multitasking to stage, we do not have multitasking | 01:25 |
| just4info_ | not 100% multitasking, but it's atleast a way less limited than android/ios/wp8 | 01:25 |
| chem|st | that for sure | 01:25 |
| chem|st | I am moaning on a very high level^^ | 01:25 |
| chem|st | compared to iOS and android we are in unicorn land | 01:26 |
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| just4info_ | which is understandable, for me it is like: ios noway, android: meh, sailfish is pretty much the only option | 01:26 |
| chem|st | it is mine too | 01:26 |
| just4info_ | and looking at the past development speed i'm expecting a lot from them | 01:27 |
| chem|st | but I miss extras-testing... | 01:27 |
| chem|st | it is the most complete and at the same time the least garbadge pile mobile (single) repo I know | 01:27 |
| just4info_ | well, don't forget that the phone isn't that old yet, tbh i expected it to be a way more beta-like when i got it | 01:28 |
| just4info_ | that's probably the reason why i'm pleasently surpriced | 01:28 |
| chem|st | compared to maemo5 at the same timeframe, sailfish is way behind | 01:28 |
| just4info_ | can't speak about that since i never checked it out | 01:29 |
| chem|st | you never had a n900? | 01:29 |
| chem|st | piece of art | 01:29 |
| just4info_ | nope, i had as my first smartphone (get ready for flaming) the Samsung Omnia7 | 01:30 |
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| chem|st | rofl | 01:30 |
| chem|st | I kept a w880i for 4 years waiting for nokia to ship maemo as phoneOS | 01:31 |
| just4info_ | which had a reasoning though, the only smartphone players back then were android and ios, as bad as MS is, atleast they looked like a promising competition to break down the monopole of the other two | 01:31 |
| chem|st | if you know your way around the w series by sony could be used as a smartphone without touchscreen | 01:32 |
| chem|st | hmm? blackberry? | 01:32 |
| just4info_ | blackberry didn't have smartphones these days | 01:32 |
| chem|st | at that time it was to closed up for me and android was way behind anything I knew, iOS well years behind | 01:33 |
| chem|st | depends on what you call smartphon though | 01:33 |
| chem|st | palm pre is about the same time isn't it? | 01:33 |
| chem|st | what happened to palm? | 01:34 |
| just4info_ | no idea | 01:34 |
| kysse | hp bought them? | 01:34 |
| kysse | or something. | 01:34 |
| chem|st | I know that psion does enterprise grade stuff only today... | 01:34 |
| chem|st | would love to see what they come up with for a smartphone these days | 01:35 |
| just4info_ | but yey, so i'm happily using the jolla phone nowadays :P | 01:35 |
| kysse | blackberry passport was interesting, but.. nah C: | 01:35 |
| just4info_ | kysse, i actually was about to buy one, untill this mate of me handed me his jolla phone for some testing | 01:35 |
| chem|st | perfect device for me would be a n900 by adding NFC, wacom stylus with capcitive touchscreen and current RAM/CPU/modem specs... software could be just the same | 01:36 |
| just4info_ | i just hope that jolla sets it's future prioritys right, i mean, looking at the community, something like owncloud should be supported out of the box | 01:37 |
| chem|st | maemo5 is even now way ahead | 01:37 |
| kysse | just4info_: yea, I almost bought one too but.. I already gave my moneys to tohkbd but I dont even own Jolla yet. | 01:37 |
| chem|st | just4info_: owncloud, sip, xmpp -> they are pointing at the FOSS communities and miss out on the basics that community uses | 01:38 |
| just4info_ | chem|st, makes me want to check it out at one point, anyways, after i'll most likely stick to this phone now for the next few years | 01:39 |
| just4info_ | besides, we got a pretty neat development crew together, will be a fun time to adapt it to our needs :) | 01:39 |
| kysse | aaand I already have xiaomi mi2, and It's almost same device.. so I'm wondering what to buy and when. | 01:39 |
| chem|st | just4info_: just make sure to publish as fast as you code^^ | 01:40 |
| chem|st | kysse: jolla, then jolla2 and jolla3 after that... | 01:40 |
| kysse | :P | 01:40 |
| chem|st | as long as there is no other linux player, I stick to jolla | 01:41 |
| chem|st | maybe I get an neo900... | 01:41 |
| chem|st | just to support the cause | 01:41 |
| chem|st | so gtg to bed... bb | 01:41 |
| just4info_ | chem|st, dang it, i hate all this bureaucracy, till now this stuff was planned to stay private only due to that :P but alright, i'll let me torture for the public | 01:41 |
| just4info_ | night | 01:42 |
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| xkr47 | the "jolla account" I am supposed to create on my jolla phone, is it the same as the one I created earlier on account.jolla.com ? | 06:46 |
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| TemeV | yes | 06:49 |
| xkr47 | I wonder if the guest wlan I'm using has some aggressive firewall, I can surf nicely but when I try to sign in it shows just "Signing in" and no progress | 06:52 |
| xkr47 | :/ | 06:52 |
| xkr47 | my sim card is too big and usb networking can't be enabled by default, blaah | 06:52 |
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| TemeV | you can cut down your sim card to fit your Jolla | 06:54 |
| TemeV | there is lot of guides for that | 06:54 |
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| pp_ | jolla sim reader is picky tho (had to get a factory cut one myself) | 07:25 |
| pp_ | but then again, it's easy to find out whether cutting is enough :P | 07:25 |
| coderus | i just used sim adaptor to draw outlines where to cut | 07:28 |
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| pp_ | if you end up in a suitable store, getting a adapter to go back to full-size is a good idea | 07:37 |
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| ender| | if you're in a store, and have them cut your SIM, you can use the cutout as an adaptor later | 07:56 |
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| Eax__ | Hi there - WHen I try sending a text, I get an error message saying "Could not send SMS to ...$nummer" - Any ideas? | 08:17 |
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| Eax__ | Nevermind! Solved it by fixing the message address number | 08:22 |
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| xkr47 | TemeV yes thanks, I'm working on that :) | 08:37 |
| xkr47 | TemeV, but there's the "in the meantime" before that :) | 08:37 |
| TemeV | :) | 08:39 |
| TemeV | xkr47: you have your SIM card in other device then? You can try creating a hotspot, connecting jolla to that and try if your guest wlan is causing trouble | 08:40 |
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| xkr47 | guess what device! | 08:46 |
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| xkr47 | --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_E61 | 08:47 |
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| Teemu | are there any devices on the market or on anybodys use that use a full size sim card? | 08:49 |
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| xkr47 | I used to have n900 but the charger broke down so I falled back to my previous phone :) | 08:50 |
| xkr47 | Teemu, there you go, I'm using that right now :) | 08:50 |
| Teemu | e61? | 08:50 |
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| xkr47 | yeah | 08:51 |
| xkr47 | :) | 08:51 |
| Teemu | i have never seen anybody install a full size sim in a device | 08:51 |
| xkr47 | 8 years old :) | 08:51 |
| xkr47 | oh sorry lol | 08:51 |
| Teemu | i used to have a 2011i phone that already uses mini-sim | 08:51 |
| xkr47 | it's mini sim | 08:51 |
| xkr47 | I misread you, sorry, ignore | 08:51 |
| Teemu | sorry, not 2011 | 08:51 |
| Teemu | 2110i | 08:51 |
| xkr47 | 2110 yeah I had that too :) | 08:52 |
| Teemu | loved the phone | 08:52 |
| Teemu | had a 6110 for work as well, pretty much the same phone in a lot smaller package, lovely and rock solid | 08:52 |
| Teemu | after that the nokians went downhill in most every way | 08:53 |
| Jope | only two generations between the 2110 and the 6110 | 08:54 |
| Jope | 2110 = dct1, 6110 = dct3 | 08:54 |
| Teemu | hmi-wise 6110 is the same phone :) | 08:54 |
| Jope | but yeah, the ui looked quite similar between nokia products back in those days.. they just scrapped the abc and c buttons for the 6110 | 08:54 |
| Teemu | internals can and should change | 08:54 |
| Jope | and made the screen fully graphical | 08:54 |
| Jope | I'm sure the sw still had some of the 2110 code in there | 08:55 |
| Jope | this was pre s40 | 08:55 |
| Jope | then again I'm not surprised if s40 carried over a lot of that legacy too | 08:55 |
| Teemu | for some reason they managed to display text very quickly even if it was pixel-addressed and not character-addressed | 08:55 |
| Jope | the resolution was a paltry 96x64 or something | 08:55 |
| Teemu | after 6110 their phones were s l o w | 08:55 |
| Teemu | btw hi jope | 08:56 |
| Jope | 7110 was the first s40 device so lots of ui abstraction | 08:56 |
| Jope | hello teemu | 08:56 |
| Jope | the 6310(i) was fast again.. the hw was speed bumped but the sw didn't quite bloat as quickly | 08:56 |
| Jope | then with the colorful s40 devices it took until the 6230 before the hw outperformed the sw again.. | 08:57 |
| Jope | the 6230 was a super phone bitd.. I was so amazed :-) | 08:57 |
| Jope | super dumbphone I mean | 08:57 |
| Teemu | isn't 6310i the phone that is in the rage now among the well to do not willing to have a smartphone-crowd? | 08:57 |
| Jope | not sure.. | 08:57 |
| Jope | but it IS a nice device for its time | 08:57 |
| Jope | I still have one .. even carried it around as my daily driver for a few weeks last year to see if I could survive | 08:57 |
| Jope | alas, my brain is conditioned to have a constant influx of internet content.. | 08:58 |
| Jope | I ended up just frantically surfing the menus in that thing whenever I had a bit of downtime | 08:58 |
| Teemu | same here | 08:58 |
| Jope | perhaps if I'd have continued my smartphone detox for a bit longer, I could have been able to keep it in my pocket during downtime | 08:58 |
| Jope | and just observe the world | 08:58 |
| Jope | perhaps I'll try again some day | 08:59 |
| Teemu | after the n900 broke, i survived on some android devices for a while until mother in law gave me a voucher for 100 off off a jolla | 08:59 |
| Jope | :-) | 08:59 |
| Teemu | yes, the mother in law bought a jolla in the first round | 08:59 |
| Jope | I was in a lucky position to get an n950 | 09:00 |
| Jope | so I use the n950 before my n900 broke | 09:00 |
| Jope | the n900 never broke that is :-D | 09:00 |
| Jope | damn my english is bad today. | 09:00 |
| Teemu | she also installs linux distros for a hobby of sorts | 09:00 |
| kimmoli | RD-58 ftw | 09:00 |
| Jope | that's cool.. I wish I had the time to still have computers / phones as my hobby.. :-/ | 09:01 |
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| Teemu | if somebody wants, i have some moppe devices that can be had for the price of fetching and promising to give them a good home | 09:02 |
| Jope | :-) | 09:02 |
| Teemu | being active in oh2nrg club helps convince me of that | 09:02 |
| Jope | I need some suitably small li-ion cells to recell my 8110 battery | 09:02 |
| Jope | I want to wield that as my daily driver for a while! | 09:02 |
| Teemu | oh, zippo | 09:02 |
| Teemu | cool | 09:02 |
| Jope | no, banana | 09:02 |
| Teemu | damn | 09:02 |
| Jope | also, does anyone here have access to a li-ion spot welder? | 09:03 |
| Jope | :-) | 09:03 |
| Jope | because I have some cells already.. | 09:03 |
| Teemu | :D | 09:03 |
| Jope | the project is not worth spending 2000e on though, so I'm not buying one for myself. | 09:03 |
| tbr | Jope: in my experience a nice hot iron, flux, solder does the job too | 09:04 |
| Jope | tbr, on li-ion? | 09:04 |
| Jope | did you clear an escape route when you did that? | 09:04 |
| Jope | or just soldered away and no explosions | 09:04 |
| Teemu | helsinki hacklab eventually is likely to have a small diy spot welder suitable for battery terminal welding but my guess is late 2016 | 09:04 |
| tbr | Jope: the thing is to do it so quick that only that part heats up | 09:04 |
| Jope | :-D | 09:04 |
| Jope | so just long enough for the solder to wet | 09:04 |
| Jope | then let it cool | 09:04 |
| Jope | then solder in the wire? :-) | 09:04 |
| tbr | yes | 09:04 |
| Jope | ok, i'll give it a go | 09:05 |
| Jope | tell my wife I love her.. | 09:05 |
| Teemu | less than a second per terminal with good time in between terminals | 09:05 |
| tbr | use sand paper to rough up the surface | 09:05 |
| Jope | sure | 09:05 |
| tbr | it worked surprisingly well for me | 09:05 |
| Jope | I can imagine. | 09:05 |
| Jope | i'm a bit edgy with this technology. :-) | 09:05 |
| tbr | also 18650 cells are able to withstand a lot of temperature | 09:05 |
| Teemu | a big hefty iron with enough capacty to do the joint without cooling down during the solder | 09:05 |
| Jope | I already got some sparks when I was a bit careless with my cutters.. | 09:05 |
| Jope | mmm good old kattokolvi action | 09:06 |
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| tbr | :D | 09:06 |
| Jope | I have some reasonably powerful soldering stations | 09:06 |
| Jope | so I should be able to do it. | 09:06 |
| tbr | I actually just used a temperature controlled standard iron, at slightly higher temp | 09:06 |
| tbr | Jope: what type of battery in the 8110? | 09:07 |
| Jope | have a bucket of water ready to drop the sparking cell into? :_D | 09:07 |
| tbr | that would be cool fireworks | 09:07 |
| Jope | tbr, two li-ion cells in series | 09:07 |
| Jope | with balancing electronics in between | 09:07 |
| Jope | so relatively safe to re-cell | 09:07 |
| Teemu | water would be bad | 09:07 |
| tbr | yes, hence fireworks | 09:08 |
| Jope | I thought water + sodium was bad :-) | 09:08 |
| Teemu | bucket of dry sand would be good | 09:08 |
| Jope | dry sand is a good option yes | 09:08 |
| Jope | two buckets.. both filled halfway.. | 09:08 |
| Teemu | yes | 09:08 |
| Teemu | third to spread on the still smoking table | 09:08 |
| Teemu | retardant blankets etc | 09:08 |
| Teemu | cheapish | 09:08 |
| Teemu | we (ell-i) are buying a nice soldering station for helsinki hacklab | 09:09 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/13/mobile_carnage_as_hackers_pop_your_favourite_phones/ | 09:18 |
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| meklu | mixing alkali metals with water is tremendous fun, right? | 09:22 |
| Teemu | we had a piece of natrium in school and had a try | 09:23 |
| Teemu | as part of the official class activity | 09:24 |
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| Tomo | i guess that's included in for every elementary school chemistry course in Finland | 09:30 |
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| Tomo | we also distilled some booze :P | 09:30 |
| Teemu | apparently they don't have natrium any more in the classroom storage | 09:31 |
| Teemu | pouring sulphuric acid on sugar was cool | 09:32 |
| Tomo | boooooooring | 09:32 |
| Teemu | also left a black spot on the ceiling tile | 09:32 |
| meklu | ammonia + chlorine = nom | 09:36 |
| meklu | we never got to make any ourselves | 09:36 |
| tbr | working with carbide was fun | 09:37 |
| tbr | *KABOOOM* | 09:37 |
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| Teemu | ...i have a very finnish feeling of the channel | 09:38 |
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| jonwil | If you like cool stuff done with chemicals, this youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/periodicvideos/videos is full of it | 09:39 |
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| xkr47 | TemeV, now I'm using a hotspot and still not signing in | 09:48 |
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| tbr | xkr47: which firmware? | 10:00 |
| xkr47 | 1.0.4.20 (Ohijärvi) (armv7hl) | 10:01 |
| meklu | that's pretty old | 10:01 |
| xkr47 | oh | 10:02 |
| tbr | it's not 1.0.0. though | 10:02 |
| tbr | that had issue | 10:02 |
| tbr | s | 10:02 |
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| tbr | xkr47: check if your time is set correctly | 10:02 |
| xkr47 | yeah, manually | 10:02 |
| meklu | 1.0.8.x is the latest stable release | 10:02 |
| xkr47 | 12:02 / Finland,Helsinki | 10:02 |
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| tbr | xkr47: date? | 10:03 |
| xkr47 | 13 nov 2014 :) | 10:05 |
| xkr47 | I tried "check for update" in the about product screen, but nothing happens | 10:05 |
| tbr | it's a common problem, that's why I ask | 10:05 |
| tbr | tried rebooting? | 10:06 |
| stephg | xkr47: and your internet works properly? | 10:06 |
| xkr47 | stephg browser surfs fine | 10:06 |
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| tbr | browsing https pages works too? | 10:07 |
| tbr | tried rebooting?? | 10:07 |
| xkr47 | I'm booting now | 10:08 |
| xkr47 | for the record, I don't have a sim installed at the moment | 10:08 |
| xkr47 | https://google.fi worked | 10:10 |
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| xkr47 | did "check for updates" now, nothing happens again | 10:10 |
| meklu | that's odd | 10:11 |
| xkr47 | should I reset the device? | 10:11 |
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| xfade_ | xkr47: Do you have dev mode enabled? | 10:12 |
| xkr47 | no, because it cannot be done until I have logged in with my jolla account | 10:12 |
| xkr47 | and I am not able to log in with my jolla account | 10:12 |
| xfade_ | xkr47: So you can't add that to accounts? | 10:12 |
| xkr47 | for the record, I tried entering random username & password and the result was the same, "Signing In" rotating and nothing else | 10:12 |
| xkr47 | hmm | 10:14 |
| xkr47 | now I got "problem with validating password" | 10:14 |
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| xkr47 | WOOOO it worked | 10:15 |
| xkr47 | I swear I did it the same way many times | 10:15 |
| xkr47 | booting obviously did something | 10:16 |
| xfade_ | xkr47: Ok, so that is something at least ;) | 10:16 |
| Tofe|Away | morning | 10:16 |
| xfade_ | xkr47: now try to check for updates | 10:16 |
| xkr47 | ok | 10:16 |
| xkr47 | yep, now I get "System update available" | 10:17 |
| xkr47 | so the "check for updates" should perhaps show an error that one needs to activate jolla account first (if that's the case) | 10:17 |
| xfade_ | xkr47: it does in later versions | 10:17 |
| xkr47 | hehe | 10:17 |
| xfade_ | A lot has happened in 6 months or so since that release came out ;) | 10:18 |
| xkr47 | :) | 10:18 |
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| Tofe|Away | I wonder, if my google-contacts-client has issues doing the sync (it says Invalid detail type for several contacts, then unable to save contact changes, etc), what could help it ? | 10:21 |
| Tofe|Away | I would try to avoid recreating the google account, as it usually results in having duplicated contacts | 10:22 |
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| xkr47 | now the "Downloading" progress indicator is spinning, hopefully something happens | 10:24 |
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| xkr47 | ahaaa | 10:27 |
| xkr47 | the scenery picture is the progress indicator | 10:27 |
| xkr47 | a bit too obscure :D | 10:28 |
| Tomo | i found that a nice touch, although maybe not the most intuitive indicator | 10:29 |
| xkr47 | the percentage could be shown somewhere :) | 10:30 |
| xkr47 | interestingly if I swap away from the update app, it does not show in the "running applications" view | 10:30 |
| xkr47 | but if I go to settings -> about product -> update device then I can see that it has been working in the background | 10:31 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i got an empty sdcard | 10:32 |
| dr_gogeta86 | how to on jolla ? | 10:32 |
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| xkr47 | xfade_ stephg tbr TemeV, thank you all for your help and patience! | 10:36 |
| xkr47 | an irc channel providing support - couldn't ask for more! :) | 10:37 |
| chem|st | dr_gogeta86: wanna do something fancy? | 10:37 |
| tbr | :) | 10:37 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | mine sdcard does'nt work | 10:37 |
| dr_gogeta86 | and i found why | 10:38 |
| dr_gogeta86 | thats all | 10:38 |
| dr_gogeta86 | chem|st, on this device is not fancy | 10:38 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is awesome | 10:38 |
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| chem|st | dr_gogeta86: why did it not work? | 10:38 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | format an sdcard or is already formatted ext4 | 10:38 |
| dr_gogeta86 | blkid | 10:38 |
| dr_gogeta86 | not show any | 10:38 |
| dr_gogeta86 | and mount-sd card service doesn't work for consequence | 10:39 |
| chem|st | can you make a complete sentence please | 10:39 |
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| chem|st | what did you do, what did or did not happen | 10:39 |
| dr_gogeta86 | Someone give me an sdcard with an ext4 formated partition | 10:40 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i put this on the phone and wasn't automounted | 10:40 |
| dr_gogeta86 | neither with a reboot | 10:40 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ssh in | 10:40 |
| dr_gogeta86 | mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /mnt | 10:41 |
| dr_gogeta86 | and works like a charm | 10:41 |
| chem|st | I thought ext4 should work out of the box | 10:41 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i've loooked how systemd mount sdcard at boot time | 10:41 |
| dr_gogeta86 | and use mount-sd script | 10:41 |
| dr_gogeta86 | who relies on blkid | 10:42 |
| dr_gogeta86 | blkid not works as expected so sd is not mounted | 10:42 |
| chem|st | I was asking about fancy as I wrote a howto for btrfs on sdcard, with outsourcing /data/media for android | 10:42 |
| chem|st | dr_gogeta86: what is wrong with the blkid? | 10:43 |
| dr_gogeta86 | now find ext4 sdcard | 10:44 |
| dr_gogeta86 | not find ext4 sdcard | 10:44 |
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| stephg | what does blkid say for that card? | 10:46 |
| stephg | i.e. blkid /dev/mmcblk1p1 | 10:46 |
| dr_gogeta86 | nothing | 10:46 |
| stephg | how did you format it | 10:47 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i dunno | 10:47 |
| dr_gogeta86 | came from android | 10:47 |
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| stephg | and you're *sure* it's ext4? | 10:47 |
| dr_gogeta86 | yep | 10:47 |
| stephg | and when you've mounted it 'mount' reports it as ext4? | 10:48 |
| dr_gogeta86 | yess | 10:48 |
| dr_gogeta86 | but i've solved | 10:48 |
| dr_gogeta86 | easyly | 10:48 |
| dr_gogeta86 | backup | 10:48 |
| dr_gogeta86 | and rollback to vfat ... | 10:48 |
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| stephg | it must have been created in a very odd way | 10:51 |
| chem|st | +1 | 10:52 |
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| meklu | probably some very ancient ext4dev thing then? | 10:58 |
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| xkr47 | woo I was able to send contacts over bluetooth from my nokia e61 phone to jolla | 11:09 |
| stephg | xkr47 :) | 11:09 |
| Jope | yay | 11:09 |
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| xkr47 | it didn't work from jolla, but when I chose "send" from the e61 it worked | 11:09 |
| Jope | e61.. amazement | 11:09 |
| Jope | I've never been able to use the same phone for that long :-D | 11:10 |
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| Jope | I want newer faster betterer! | 11:10 |
| xkr47 | I used n900 in between until the usb broke | 11:10 |
| xkr47 | now that there is a promise of tohkbd, it took me two minutes to decide to go for jolla | 11:11 |
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| stephg | xkr47: I hope you got the voucher | 11:14 |
| xkr47 | my friend who already had a jolla gave me his | 11:15 |
| stephg | good good :) | 11:15 |
| xkr47 | is enabling developer mode supposed to take minutes | 11:15 |
| flux | it fetches some additional packages, doesn't it? so depends on your networking conditions. | 11:16 |
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| xkr47 | I can't check my network connection now that I'm inside the settings application enabling developer tools :P | 11:16 |
| xkr47 | I could try surfing of course | 11:16 |
| flux | I think few here remember their experiences enabling dev mode, it was so long time ago 8-) | 11:17 |
| xkr47 | fair enough :) | 11:17 |
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| xkr47 | hmh now I just backed out of "enable developer mode" | 11:17 |
| xkr47 | it didn't ask for anything | 11:18 |
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| meklu | it just workedâ„¢ here I think | 11:18 |
| meklu | nothing odd happened | 11:18 |
| xkr47 | woot | 11:18 |
| xkr47 | I got back to the "Enabling developer mode screen" | 11:19 |
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| xkr47 | if I double-click in the upper third of the screen, I get a popup "Register", asking for username and password | 11:19 |
| xkr47 | register to where...? | 11:20 |
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| flux | oh, it needs jolla account to retrieve packages | 11:20 |
| Jope | are you sure you're not clicking the enable developer updates | 11:20 |
| Jope | ah yes | 11:20 |
| Jope | a jolla account is needed, else the phone is rather useless. | 11:20 |
| xkr47 | I have added my jolla account | 11:20 |
| xkr47 | after which I was able to update the firmware | 11:21 |
| Jope | then I'm guessing you selected enable developer updates? | 11:21 |
| xkr47 | now I'm trying "Developer mode" from "Settings -> System" | 11:21 |
| xkr47 | nope | 11:21 |
| Jope | hmm | 11:21 |
| xkr47 | maybe I should boot :) | 11:21 |
| Teemu | xkr47: this sunday i heard from mother in law that she has the voucher and i knew beforehand of the tohkbd, so i kinda decided to jump in | 11:22 |
| xkr47 | Teemu, good good :) | 11:22 |
| Teemu | so she gave me her special model of the first other half | 11:23 |
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| norayr | if I enable facebook account, then all those facebook contacts will be synced to my addressbook right? And if I disable it, then will they disappear from my address book? I would like them to disappear, otherwise I prefer to not configure facebook account. | 11:51 |
| norayr | btw, will facebook chat work? afaik they don't provide API for that. | 11:51 |
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| Tomo | 1-1 conversations work from the same messaging application than SMS for example | 11:52 |
| Tomo | for group conversations you're gonna need something else | 11:52 |
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| stephg | norayr: chat does work | 11:54 |
| stephg | and will do until some time next year | 11:54 |
| stephg | but as Tomo says multi-user chat doesn't | 11:54 |
| norayr | okay, what about abook? I don't actually need conversations. I need abook to disappear when I disable fb account. | 11:55 |
| norayr | I mean fb contacts to disappear. I am trying to keep abook sanely small. I have ~1000 fb contacts, whom I don't want to have on phone. | 11:55 |
| norayr | However, sharing a picture to fb from Gallery is very convenient and tempts me to enable fb account. | 11:55 |
| stephg | norayr: iirc you can disable contact syncing | 11:56 |
| stephg | in the account settings | 11:56 |
| stephg | but it's an all-or-nothing thing | 11:56 |
| norayr | okay, thank you. I'll see if there's such an option. | 11:56 |
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| xkr47 | "Problem with store.. could not install Clock" | 12:25 |
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| stephg | xkr47 have you upgraded all the way up to 1.0.8.x? | 12:34 |
| AL13N_work | yeah, first upgrade before installing apps | 12:34 |
| xkr47 | yeah it upgraded in one go | 12:35 |
| xkr47 | it's a shame usb networking can't be enabled without developer mode | 12:36 |
| xkr47 | could rule out "network is not working" from the equation | 12:36 |
| AL13N_work | right | 12:38 |
| AL13N_work | maybe the csd can help? | 12:38 |
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| dist | What's csd? | 12:38 |
| stephg | diagnostics app | 12:39 |
| dist | Any way to flash jolla just by having usb-connection? | 12:39 |
| stephg | csd on the command line and there's a dialler code (that I forget) that you can use to invoke | 12:39 |
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| AL13N_work | dial *#*#310#*#* on the phone | 12:40 |
| AL13N_work | it's pretty cool and has a bunch of tests, possibly a network test? | 12:40 |
| dist | Did a factory reset. I can connect to wifi, but I no dns names get resolved and so system updates don't work so I'm stuck with old Jolla without any tools. Developer mode doesn't activate either. | 12:40 |
| dist | ^ Any ideas? | 12:40 |
| AL13N_work | try different wifi? | 12:41 |
| AL13N_work | or mobile data? | 12:41 |
| dist | neither worked | 12:41 |
| dist | (except that wifi works for everything else) | 12:41 |
| meklu | dist: set the dns server to 8.8.8.8? (google's dns) | 12:42 |
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| warfare | hi everyone. Are there currently any problems with the jolla store? I just got a new jolla and can't connect to the store. | 12:43 |
| dist | meklu: Yeah, could try. Set that manually to local dns already, which still didn't resolve names.. | 12:44 |
| dist | (well, for jolla anyways) | 12:44 |
| Scelt | dist: maybe you share the problem with warfare | 12:44 |
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| dist | Scelt: Huh, like too explosive at times? =D | 12:45 |
| Scelt | dist: if store doesn't answer, then you can't update | 12:46 |
| xkr47 | AL13N_work cool @ csd | 12:46 |
| warfare | dist: So the store is currently broken? | 12:46 |
| dist | Scelt: Ah, right. Maybe I'll just wireshark the thing and see what happens | 12:46 |
| dist | warfare: I tried some days ago | 12:46 |
| warfare | oO | 12:47 |
| dist | Now just wondering different approaces how to get it working again.. | 12:47 |
| Scelt | warfare: I managed to connect to store | 12:47 |
| dist | Maybe I'll go and try now.. | 12:47 |
| AL13N_work | store works for me | 12:48 |
| warfare | I just unwrapped a new jolla and can't even install a mail client ;) | 12:48 |
| dist | warfare: Which version of the os do you have? | 12:49 |
| meklu | you really should update it before installing things | 12:49 |
| warfare | dist: 1.0.4.20 (fresh from the box) | 12:50 |
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| dist | Is there any program that could be used to send a new os by bootloader? | 12:51 |
| warfare | (great out-of-box experience ;) | 12:51 |
| dist | recovery flashing or anything like that | 12:51 |
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| Scelt | warfare: http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23jollamobile/latest.log.html#t2014-11-13T09:48:50 | 12:52 |
| Scelt | someone else had problems with the same os version just few hours ago | 12:52 |
| warfare | Scelt: Thanks. | 12:52 |
| xkr47 | warfare, always good to upgrade :) | 12:53 |
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| warfare | xkr47: I'd like to if jolla would let me. | 12:55 |
| Scelt | xkr47: tell warfare how you get the update working | 12:56 |
| xkr47 | :D | 12:57 |
| Scelt | "I don't know" says xkr47 | 12:57 |
| xkr47 | warfare, first I booted, then I successfully added my jolla account and then I was able to upgrade | 12:57 |
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| xkr47 | :) | 12:57 |
| Scelt | :-) | 12:57 |
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| warfare | "Problem with upgrading untitled" | 13:01 |
| warfare | I deleted and re-added my jolla account | 13:01 |
| meklu | did you reboot yet? | 13:02 |
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| warfare | Twice. I'll try deleting, booting and readding my account. | 13:06 |
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| xkr47 | :P | 13:31 |
| xkr47 | warfare, I feel your pain, and wish you luck | 13:32 |
| xkr47 | is there some system log somewhere that you could lurk into :) | 13:32 |
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| warfare | xkr47: I can't even install the terminal or enable developer mode. | 14:00 |
| xkr47 | warfare, some youtube video suggested the terminal appears automatically when you enable developer mode | 14:03 |
| xkr47 | warfare, I am also unable to enable developer mode and install apps | 14:03 |
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| fennekki | the terminal app icon appears when you enable developer mode, yes | 14:03 |
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| xkr47 | warfare, I am able to open the store, see and browse apps, but when I select install, it says "waiting" -> "downloading" -> "installing" but then it hangs for a few minutes on "installing" and then briefly shows an error on the top of the screen (which can be reviewed in the "events view" which you get if you pull up from below the bottom of the screen) | 14:04 |
| FireFly | Enabling developer mode uses the store to install stuff, so if the store is down that wouldn't work either I suppose | 14:05 |
| xkr47 | warfare, someone suggested that enabling developer mode installs some apps from the store, so I'm guessing the problem might be the same in both cases. I don't know however, and I'm using a "guest wlan" to access the internet, so that might be the culprit in my case (firewall or somehting) | 14:05 |
| xkr47 | is somebody able to install something from the store? | 14:06 |
| FireFly | I just tried to install an application, and it worked for me | 14:06 |
| xkr47 | k | 14:06 |
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| xkr47 | if usb networking would work I could wireshark the thing | 14:06 |
| Jope | if you guys had an old version and tried "enable developer updates" then that might be your root cause | 14:09 |
| xkr47 | nope, didn't | 14:10 |
| Jope | ok | 14:10 |
| FireFly | I think there's a pkcon log somewhere (/var/log perhaps?) that you could check to see if it contains some useful diagnostic info | 14:11 |
| xkr47 | how? | 14:11 |
| FireFly | Oh, right, no terminal | 14:12 |
| FireFly | ...and no developer mode → no ssh | 14:12 |
| xkr47 | csd? | 14:12 |
| FireFly | I don't think so | 14:12 |
| FireFly | Never mind then, I guess you need to have developer mode working first.. that's a bit annoying | 14:12 |
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| xkr47 | chicken-egg | 14:14 |
| xkr47 | can a usb-connected computer access files? | 14:15 |
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| FireFly | Don't know | 14:16 |
| FireFly | I just use ssh/scp for all my file-access needs | 14:17 |
| xkr47 | can I sync files over blutooth | 14:17 |
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| tadzik | I use sshfs mostly | 14:32 |
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| * tbr prods tigeli Stskeeps - any known issues with store backend? some people having issues today to get their jolla account set up or upgrade. For me on U9 it looks like on first try upgrading 2 apps failed too. | 14:50 | |
| just4info | warfare, i had the same problem | 14:51 |
| just4info | warfare, resetting the phone and reconfuring it (without adding a jolla account untill the configs were over) fixed the problem | 14:52 |
| warfare | Urgh. | 14:52 |
| just4info | warfare, you might also want to try a reset without your sim card in the phone | 14:53 |
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| just4info | warfare, that was the worst out-of-the-box experience ever.....i waited so hard for the phone and then that..... | 14:55 |
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| just4info | warfare, oh yea, and after configured the phone, i went straight into the settings, connected to my wifi, added a jolla account and searched for updates right away (incase the order is anything of importance) | 14:58 |
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| just4info | good luck | 15:01 |
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| warfare | just4info: This seems to work. | 15:02 |
| warfare | It just installed the Snow TOH. | 15:02 |
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| just4info | warfare, gratz :) | 15:03 |
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| warfare | just4info: Thanks! | 15:03 |
| tbr | \o/ | 15:04 |
| just4info | warfare, maybe you want to write all the steps you used quickly together and post it in the web, so if anyone else got the problem he can find it | 15:04 |
| just4info | i thought i was the only one, that's why i didn't do it yet | 15:05 |
| warfare | just4info: I'll do. (where? together.jolla? tmo?) | 15:05 |
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| just4info | warfare, together.jolla sounds good | 15:06 |
| tbr | warfare: TJC is a good place | 15:07 |
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| warfare | https://together.jolla.com/question/62918/updating-a-brand-new-phone-from-10420/ | 15:38 |
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| warfare | The phone is installing the update now. | 15:43 |
| warfare | Thanks for all the help. | 15:44 |
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| just4info | warfare, thanks, for posting it, yw :) | 15:47 |
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| ElmerFudd | Is it possible to send a text message from the shell on my jolla phone? - I would like to enjoy using my fullsize pc kayboard from an ssh session when texting | 16:04 |
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| just4info | ElmerFudd, https://together.jolla.com/question/17992/sending-an-sms-via-the-command-line/ | 16:05 |
| just4info | yw | 16:05 |
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| ElmerFudd | just4info: thanx mate :) | 16:23 |
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| just4info | yw | 16:23 |
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| chem|st | warfare: that is the out of the box exp, wait till you have the apply backups exp^^ | 16:30 |
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| pdanek | It's been rumored that the next generation of ThinkPads (T450, T550, ...) will remove adative FX keys and bring back trackpoint's dedicated keys! What amazing news. | 17:32 |
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| just4info | pdanek, pff, i'd appreciate it more if lenovo would go back to good old IBM days and release linux drivers for their laptops...=/ | 17:35 |
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| pdanek | just4info: Always when have to use Touchpad or some strange multi-function button, I'm in great stress. :D | 17:38 |
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| eyea_UK | Jolla )0!1@ yoh | 18:04 |
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| warfare | chem|st: ^^ | 19:02 |
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| NC__ | question: Anyone knows what it means if the LED on a Jolla phone is blinking blue for a few hours? | 19:55 |
| Yaniel | new sms/im | 19:57 |
| Yaniel | usually | 19:57 |
| Shinryuu | mhh.. that should be the case | 19:58 |
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| mcfrisk | skype android app on jolla keeps complaining that network not connected, but wlan is connected and working with jolla apps. How to fix that? | 20:48 |
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| xkr47 | hehe the csd tool says "fail" for battery voltage | 21:00 |
| xkr47 | minimum: 3.40, maximum: 4.35, value: 4.36V :) | 21:00 |
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| r0kk3rz | greetings from auswegia | 21:17 |
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| r0kk3rz | hmm 4g no work | 21:23 |
| just4info | r0kk3rz, did you already receive your new TOH? :) | 21:24 |
| r0kk3rz | mighr have to check if the frequencies even line up | 21:24 |
| r0kk3rz | just4info: actually I might have, my flatmate said things came in the mail | 21:25 |
| r0kk3rz | just4info: did you use my discount code? | 21:25 |
| just4info | r0kk3rz, yep | 21:25 |
| r0kk3rz | awesome :) free stuff | 21:25 |
| just4info | hehe | 21:26 |
| r0kk3rz | it might go nicely with the board i got off kimmoli and tbr | 21:27 |
| just4info | which board? | 21:28 |
| tbr | the board doesn't fit under a toh, unless you want to cut out parts | 21:28 |
| tbr | myToH | 21:28 |
| tbr | a simple break out | 21:28 |
| just4info | uhm can't find it | 21:29 |
| just4info | what does it do? | 21:29 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i know tbr, hence butchering the free one | 21:30 |
| just4info | r0kk3rz, why don't you just print one? | 21:31 |
| r0kk3rz | i was going to try and print one | 21:31 |
| r0kk3rz | my last attempt didnt fit | 21:31 |
| tbr | just4info: https://github.com/kimmoli/devaamoMyhalf | 21:31 |
| r0kk3rz | im going to print some anyway for my rubberhalf | 21:32 |
| just4info | tbr, ahh, thanks. be careful with that, you don't want to toast your phone :P | 21:33 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah there is a risk, but i2c is pretty easy to wire up | 21:34 |
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| r0kk3rz | im not much of an electronics guy so my things are going to be hooking up i2c ICs | 21:36 |
| just4info | r0kk3rz, actually it can get pretty complex, i used i2c back in days to connect 12 avr chips to each other. =P | 21:36 |
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| r0kk3rz | well yeah, but wiring up a single IC breakout board from sparkfun is about as simple as it gets | 21:37 |
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| just4info | yep | 21:38 |
| r0kk3rz | kimmoli can do all the random stuff, the infrared camera TOH was pretty cool | 21:38 |
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| r0kk3rz | thermal camera thing | 21:39 |
| just4info | means they placed IR leds on TOH? | 21:39 |
| r0kk3rz | nah uses a thermal imaging sensor, not infrared sorry | 21:41 |
| just4info | sounds expensive | 21:41 |
| r0kk3rz | coffee hasnt kicked in yet | 21:41 |
| r0kk3rz | and i think this is a 5 coffee morning | 21:41 |
| just4info | try drinking your coffee slow :) | 21:42 |
| r0kk3rz | Im not sure any amount is going to work | 21:44 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe slept an hour on the overnight flight from singapore | 21:44 |
| just4info | plan b: go on the street, wait there till someone cat-calls you. you'll be awake for a week :P | 21:45 |
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| r0kk3rz | haha | 21:46 |
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| popey | What's the maximum capacity sd card that can be used in the jolla phone? | 21:55 |
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| PeperJohnny | afair 64gb | 21:56 |
| r0kk3rz | i think we need a pioneering sort to test out a 128gb | 21:58 |
| popey | but it's not 32gb? | 21:59 |
| just4info | r0kk3rz, send me the money and i'll volunteer | 21:59 |
| just4info | popey, nope, running on 64gb here | 21:59 |
| popey | ahh https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/201997993-What-kind-of-SD-cards-and-formats-are-supported- | 21:59 |
| popey | thanks | 21:59 |
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| r0kk3rz | so a 128GB btrfs catd might work | 22:02 |
| r0kk3rz | card | 22:02 |
| r0kk3rz | that could be useful | 22:02 |
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| FireFly | I ordered a 64GB card yesterday, hopefully it'll work just fine | 22:12 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah i was going to stick one in mine | 22:15 |
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| evilJazz_ | r0kk3rz, that 128GB Sandisk microSDXC card works fine in my Jolla. Only tested with FAT32 formatting, though. | 23:14 |
| r0kk3rz | nice :) | 23:15 |
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