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| * pahartik finds out that "Jolla Mobile" does not accept IPv6 autoconfiguration from mobile network by default | 06:12 | |
| Stskeeps | it's one of those things that's not the easiest to test for | 06:12 |
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| Stskeeps | pahartik: mail me at carsten.munk@jolla.com about it and what mobile network you have? | 06:13 |
| pahartik | Stskeeps: DNA mobile network in Finland | 06:14 |
| Stskeeps | they offer ipv6? that's cool | 06:14 |
| pahartik | Stskeeps: Not official, but I got involved in testing phase | 06:15 |
| Stskeeps | ok, let's see what we can help with | 06:15 |
| Stskeeps | tigeli: ^^ | 06:15 |
| Stskeeps | i think there's something about that we don't ask for a ipv6 context at all through RIL | 06:16 |
| pahartik | Stskeeps: Tested for day on "CyanogenMod Android" LTE device, so I know that it actually works with operator | 06:18 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 06:18 |
| Stskeeps | you're doing quite a lot of ipv6 work aren't you? you showed up several times in my grep :) | 06:18 |
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| pahartik | Stskeeps: I am big time IPv6 fan | 06:19 |
| Stskeeps | we should really have a ipv6-jolla week to weed out the rest of issues.. | 06:22 |
| Nicd- | wish there was some way to have IPv6 at home... but nope | 06:23 |
| Nicd- | without tunneling that is | 06:23 |
| pahartik | Stskeeps: That would be nice | 06:24 |
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| pahartik | Stskeeps: Sure I can send e-mail message, but what information should it contain? | 06:28 |
| Stskeeps | pahartik: basically 'how to reproduce' / what didn't happen as expected, ifconfig outputs, etc.. | 06:29 |
| Stskeeps | so i have a contact point for you | 06:29 |
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| pahartik | Stskeeps: "ip address" output of success and failure... And what I think might be relevant | 06:38 |
| pp_ | sixxs is pretty ok (tho somewhat involved go get started) | 06:39 |
| pp_ | I heard noises dna will be doing the ipv6 launch day next year so maybe not that far away :-) | 06:39 |
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| pahartik | pp_: I have been using tunnels on mobile and wired networks for ~10 years already, so native IPv6 would be welcome "at last" | 06:44 |
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| xkr47 | hi | 07:05 |
| xkr47 | the jolla sailfish eula mentions "a version of our Software that can be more freely hacked" and refers to sailfishos.org for details.. do you know where I can find details on this? | 07:06 |
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| Stskeeps | well, #sailfishos-porters is probably a good start | 07:16 |
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| lainwir3d | hi | 07:49 |
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| Nicd- | hey, anyone else have an invisible keyboard clicking when you pinch zoom sometimes? | 10:29 |
| Nicd- | so instead of the image zooming in or out, you just hear the clicking of the vkb and the phone vibrates | 10:30 |
| Nicd- | there's at least 3 of us that have had that happen | 10:30 |
| simbrown | Nicd-: Yeah, especially with the Maps app | 10:30 |
| Nicd- | seems to be reported: https://together.jolla.com/question/60898/bug-keyboard-feedback-sounds-heard-when-zooming-in-some-apps/ | 10:31 |
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| tigeli | pahartik: Stskeeps: our ofono drivers does not yet support ipv6v4 pdp (or fallback to separarate ip (ipv4) and ipv6 pdp's). Yes, and I do also have a sim from DNA which supports ipv4v6.. and we do have a bug about the thing. :) | 10:40 |
| tigeli | there will be a national ipv6 launch on 9th June on Finland | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | tigeli: i think it was a oneliner thing.. we discussed it before didn't we | 10:41 |
| tigeli | Stskeeps: yes, we did. But I think it requires bit more work on the driver side.. | 10:42 |
| tigeli | when comparing to current driver the isimodem driver which supports ipv6 | 10:43 |
| tigeli | Stskeeps: also, it seems that lots of androids running on 4.x do not support ipv6 on mobile either but Nokia devices from 2004 do :S | 10:44 |
| tbr | nokia was big on ipv6, support, just that no operator rolled it out... | 10:45 |
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| Nicd- | tigeli: do you know if anyone is actually in on the national ipv6 launch here? | 10:49 |
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| Nicd- | they just dug some new fiber outside our apartment. getting ipv6 would be nice | 10:51 |
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| Nicd- | but I'm not being too optimistic about that :P | 10:52 |
| tigeli | Nicd-: dna is | 10:52 |
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| tigeli | at least | 10:52 |
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| tbr | I'm positively surprised that an operator is moving. The announcement was luke warm at best. | 10:53 |
| pp_ | suppose their cisco cable modem cpe's (which they have been flogging for the last few years vs. dsl) are ready | 10:53 |
| tbr | this might now create at least a tiny bit of pressure on the other ones to also get their arse up | 10:53 |
| tigeli | Nicd-: but I think they will only do it on home subscriptions.. | 10:54 |
| pp_ | if you have adsl/vdsl2 it might be a bit different :-) | 10:54 |
| Nicd- | tigeli: well, it was Elisa digging the fiber anyway | 10:54 |
| tigeli | I've dealed with Sonera and Elisa this summer to get ipv6 on company subscriptions.. oh, and what a pain... | 10:54 |
| tbr | sonera continues to tell you " you need a business subscription" and then it takes you two months to find out that it costs 10x as much as a regular one | 10:54 |
| Nicd- | and apparently Elisa is going to offer new connections for us when the year changes | 10:55 |
| pp_ | (and on mobile they can just tell customers to switch APN's and if it doesn't work, switch back) | 10:55 |
| tigeli | Elisa had to upgrade like 3 routers on their way to get us ipv6 :D | 10:55 |
| tbr | interesting, most telcos opt for stuffing ipv6 into a tunnel (MPLS or GRE) and then do the ipv6 routing only at one central location | 10:56 |
| tigeli | pp_: actually dna is not even requiring to reconfigure the apn and that's how it should be done | 10:56 |
| pp_ | they just switch a bit on you for beta testers? | 10:56 |
| tbr | you still need to switch your phone to use a dual-stack context though | 10:56 |
| tigeli | pp_: yes | 10:56 |
| pp_ | nice | 10:57 |
| pp_ | I guess they've deduced that if a phone does that, it will work properly and no customer support to switch the bit back off is needed | 10:58 |
| tigeli | pp_: there should not be any problems because the device can ask for ipv6v4, ip & ipv6, ip or ipv6 contexts... | 11:01 |
| tigeli | oops ipv4v6 :) | 11:02 |
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| tigeli | tbr: I think their stuff was just running wrong ios.. :) | 11:03 |
| tbr | :) | 11:03 |
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| tigeli | tbr: with sonera we are still doing the ipv6 deployment.. idiots though that they could have juniper and cisco doing vrrp together.. well they don't :D | 11:08 |
| tbr | <nelson>Ha-ha!</nelson> | 11:09 |
| tbr | tigeli: you have ipv6 PI space? | 11:11 |
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| mkollaro | is the yandex store actually working? for me it's always just a progress wheel and nothing ever loads | 11:18 |
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| joonahoi | is there a way to get android notifications to appear in the lock screen? | 11:37 |
| joonahoi | they do appear in the notifications screen though | 11:38 |
| joonahoi | would be nice to get them to lock screen and / or get the LED to react to them | 11:39 |
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| AL13N_work | joonahoi: i think there's a good chance that they might be busy on that, go check in tjc | 11:50 |
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| tigeli | tbr: nope.. still using PA assigned blocks. In future I hope we have our own AS and PA's :) | 13:30 |
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| tigeli | makes things much easier | 13:30 |
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| pahartik | tigeli: Acknowledged | 14:02 |
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| chem|st | does anyone have nokia here beta installed? | 14:22 |
| chem|st | I am unable to login and want to know if I am doing something wrong | 14:22 |
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| Nicd- | I have it | 14:28 |
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| chem|st | are you using your nokia account or facebook? | 14:40 |
| Nicd- | I created a new account | 14:42 |
| chem|st | so nokia account | 14:42 |
| Nicd- | the here beta account is different from a nokia account at least | 14:42 |
| Nicd- | it won't work in the regular here | 14:42 |
| chem|st | uh? | 14:42 |
| Nicd- | did you create a new account? | 14:44 |
| chem|st | no | 14:44 |
| chem|st | I try to use my nokia account, just like on here.com | 14:44 |
| Nicd- | that won't work | 14:44 |
| Nicd- | "HERE accounts supercede the old Nokia and Ovi accounts, but you can migrate your collections from your old Nokia accounts to a new HERE account." | 14:44 |
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| chem|st | hmm... where do you get this? | 14:47 |
| chem|st | when I login on here.com it fwds me to a nokia login page | 14:48 |
| Nicd- | yes but here.com is different from the here beta | 14:49 |
| chem|st | ah found it, account.here.com -> import | 14:49 |
| Nicd- | here.com is going to be replaced with the new here (here beta) and that requires a here account | 14:50 |
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| chem|st | here.com is still nokia, the new here is here... | 14:50 |
| Tomo | here, what is here? is it here now? | 14:50 |
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| chem|st | Nicd-: thanks works... | 14:56 |
| chem|st | 9GB for europe... does the samsung 64GB sdcard work with jolla? | 14:57 |
| chem|st | evo or pro?! | 14:57 |
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| Tegu | fuu fuu, the vibration problem hit my jolla :( no more vibrations... | 15:55 |
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| Stskeeps | contact care@ ? | 15:59 |
| ballock | what's the big deal with here? Are we going to get navigation here? | 16:02 |
| Tegu | yea, I should | 16:03 |
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| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: is there a way to trigger a vibrate, to see if it's hw or just a software glitch and/or setting? | 16:12 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: csd tool? | 16:14 |
| Wnt | AL13N_work: dial *#*#310#*#* on the phone, select individual tests -> component -> vibrator | 16:15 |
| AL13N_work | haha, no way, really? | 16:16 |
| AL13N_work | individual tests? | 16:16 |
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| ggabriel | yup | 16:16 |
| AL13N_work | that's pretty cool | 16:18 |
| AL13N_work | but ok, i guess this means contacting care@ | 16:18 |
| ggabriel | if you have to tap fail, yeah :) | 16:18 |
| AL13N_work | "have to" | 16:18 |
| AL13N_work | i guess it depends on your honesty :-) | 16:19 |
| ggabriel | you'd only be fooling yourself | 16:19 |
| AL13N_work | you'd be amazed at how good some people are at that | 16:19 |
| AL13N_work | even people you would think they would never have any ability | 16:20 |
| Tegu | Inalso had to tap fail. the weird thing is, that for some time the vibration didn't work only on incoming calls. in Fingerterm and csd it worked. now it does not ork anywhere | 16:20 |
| AL13N_work | or maybe "especially" | 16:20 |
| AL13N_work | i remember typing fast in fingerterm and suddenly stopping vibrations | 16:20 |
| Tegu | maybe I should have disabled he fingerterm vibration. it seems to be too much for the hardware :( | 16:21 |
| AL13N_work | the problem with the fingerterm vibration is that it sets the duration depending on how long you hold the key | 16:21 |
| AL13N_work | it should really be static duration | 16:21 |
| Tegu | but then aain, it can be enabled for the normal keyboard, too | 16:22 |
| Tegu | ah | 16:22 |
| AL13N_work | imho | 16:22 |
| AL13N_work | i use fingerterm a lot | 16:22 |
| Tegu | md too | 16:22 |
| AL13N_work | i actually don't really miss the vibration on fingerterm that much | 16:22 |
| Tegu | I wonder if that is a connecting factor between the issues a tjc | 16:23 |
| AL13N_work | maybe someone should build a screen that gives slight electroshock via the touchscreen at certain positions | 16:23 |
| Tegu | m neiher, actually I like this more (I don't use vibration in he normal kbd) | 16:23 |
| AL13N_work | well, it *is* a bit useful to know when the key is actually pressed, | 16:24 |
| Tegu | didn't nokia work on some haptic tech? haven't heard about it in ages | 16:24 |
| AL13N_work | so, imho it's not better, but i don't miss it much | 16:24 |
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| * pahartik checks out "Nokia N900" and it also does not accept IPv6 autoconfiguration from mobile network | 16:28 | |
| AL13N_work | while that's important... i think it's of growing importance to detect or dismiss "fake" celltowers | 16:32 |
| AL13N_work | i have the feeling there's one near my house | 16:32 |
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| Tegu | fake celltower? | 16:34 |
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| AL13N_work | you know how you can with certain hardware and software make a fake celltower and intercept cellphones and control them | 16:35 |
| AL13N_work | reboot them and such | 16:35 |
| Tegu | :O | 16:35 |
| AL13N_work | you didn't know? | 16:35 |
| Tegu | nope | 16:35 |
| Oni^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfcq8clu1RI Defcon 21 - Traffic Interception and Remote Mobile Phone Cloning with a Compromised CDMA Femtocell | 16:37 |
| Tegu | isn't the connection encrypted? then again, I don't really know about this stuff | 16:37 |
| Oni^ | If you are tower you can tell phone what encryption to use : D | 16:37 |
| Tegu | ouch | 16:38 |
| AL13N_work | yes | 16:38 |
| AL13N_work | there's a linux program or os or something specifically for this kind of hardware | 16:38 |
| AL13N_work | which you can apparently by for a few k's | 16:38 |
| AL13N_work | *buy | 16:39 |
| Tegu | I want end-to-end encrypted connections :( | 16:40 |
| Tegu | dunno how hard they are, though | 16:40 |
| AL13N_work | plus, i bet a lot of providers don't use encryption or a very bad/old one | 16:40 |
| AL13N_work | whatever is the cheapest | 16:40 |
| Tegu | there is an unencrypted mode? blah | 16:42 |
| AL13N_work | at some time there is no traffic on all phones | 16:43 |
| AL13N_work | and sometimes it's supposedly there, but nothing works, no calls, no network, on all phones | 16:43 |
| AL13N_work | this is why i think there's such a tower near my house | 16:44 |
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| AL13N_work | Tegu: there's "blackphone" supposedly it's secure, except for ISP + NSA and it will set you back big monies for less apps | 16:45 |
| Tegu | is it possible to report them to operator? or do they do anything for it | 16:45 |
| AL13N_work | and medium hardware | 16:45 |
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| AL13N_work | Tegu: i have no idea | 16:45 |
| Tegu | they know theirtowers and could probably measure id there's some fake one | 16:46 |
| Tegu | (disclaimer: this was based on nothing) | 16:46 |
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| AL13N_work | Tegu: the question is more "would they care" | 16:48 |
| AL13N_work | i probably costs too much for them to do anything about this | 16:49 |
| Tegu | yea, true | 16:49 |
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| Tegu | but I guess it would not hurt to inform then about your thoughts nd let them do or not do anything | 16:50 |
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| AL13N_work | i guess so | 16:51 |
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| Teemu | helloes | 19:43 |
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