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Tofemorning09:14
Tofemorphis: what is your opinion about this commit of mine ? https://github.com/webOS-ports/luna-next-cardshell/commit/af5047754582179705283995321f1845559f794809:14
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morphisTofe: wrong channel? :)09:21
fluxeveryone! tofe and morphis are involved in webos! get 'em!09:22
morphisflux: but we're friends :)09:23
r0kk3rzmight be cool to get webos onto libhybris09:26
Tofemorphis: oops...09:26
morphisr0kk3rz: it is already for quite some time09:26
r0kk3rzoh is it?09:27
r0kk3rzshows how much ive been paying attention09:27
morphisr0kk3rz: we put it on top shortly after libhybris came out09:28
r0kk3rzdoes seem like an obvious thing to do09:29
morphisaround sep/oct 201209:29
r0kk3rzwhat can you run webos on these days?09:29
morphisr0kk3rz: it's Lune OS what we do09:30
morphisruns on Nexus 4, HP Touchpad09:30
morphisbut open to everything else09:30
r0kk3rzyeah right09:30
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iamtewgood morning :)09:31
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r0kk3rzah you've got a vbox image09:33
r0kk3rzmight try it out09:33
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* ender| 's a bit disappointed that jolla can't display all characters in his wireless SSID :)10:55
mekluhmm, crazy unicode sections? :)10:56
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ender|ČŠŽ ⇋ ☄10:56
ender|ČŠŽ display fine, the other 4 characters display as boxes10:57
ender|i actually wanted to name my wifi 📶, but that caused Windows to only see the network as hidden10:57
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skvarkany idea why my Jolla starts to spam text messages endlessly to the other end? it shows to me that only one message was sent but the recipient starts to get them again and again11:13
JopeI'm guessing it's the SMSC on the other end that's spamming it11:13
skvarkwhy and how to stop it?11:14
pp_timeout is 2 days or somesuch, usually11:15
mekluI remember receiving some messages in triplicate with my old phone early this year...11:19
mekluit was an android 2.3 device11:19
meklu*shrug*11:19
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pp_(could be jolla bug tripping smsc bug, but debugging from your end is probably impossible)11:20
pp_I triggered something similar in the 90's, delivery notification or whatnot wasn't support by the other end11:22
pp_so he got my SMS for a few days11:22
skvarkmy message was sent 6 times in couple of minutes to the other end11:23
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krnlyngmupen64plus on the jolla phone :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrMkrFUClmc11:37
mekluneat11:39
l1pinice :)11:43
r0kk3rzplus keyboard toh = portable n64!11:46
stephgcool11:46
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Ojah7xHi all. I just purchased+received my Jolla phone. I have one minor issue: the phone has a loose/rattling volume rocker. It appears this is a fairly common issue (based on other users' comments on TMO). Does anyone have any experience fixing this?11:55
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r0kk3rzOjah7x: probably not without opening the back case12:08
r0kk3rzwhich will void your warranty12:08
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r0kk3rz(not the other half case, the one with all the screws)12:09
krnlyngr0kk3rz: i personally like the touch screen controls better than keyboard input :)12:10
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krnlyngr0kk3rz: physical buttons might be better but especially for the joystick axis, i preffer touch ^^12:11
falfaOjah7x: I thought the rattling volume rocker was made that way on all jollas?12:13
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falfaMy loudspeaker stopped working, no sound, maybe i can send my jolla in for repair and fix both the rattle and the loudspeaker?12:14
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r0kk3rzpretty sure thats just how jollas come12:19
r0kk3rzmine is quite rattly, never really bothered me though12:19
chem|stkrnlyng: I'd use a joystick if I want a joystick and not some onscreen bs where my finger blocks the view12:22
chem|stthe whole point of hardware kbd is that touchscreen is unreliable12:22
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chem|stfalfa: volume rocker is just that way...12:24
Ezkohow do you even notice that volume rocker thing12:25
Ezkoi had to try to notice12:25
chem|stEzko: :) me too...12:25
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r0kk3rzwas the first thing i noticed when i took the jolla out of the box12:28
r0kk3rzwent 'oh well' and got over it12:29
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falfachem|st: ok, thx, i suspected asmuch12:33
falfar0kk3rz: yeps, me too12:33
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krnlyngchem|st: i've played through both ocarina of time and super mario 64 on my n9 and never had a view issue because of my fingers :)12:44
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r0kk3rzkrnlyng: got sources for the sailfish port anywhere?12:45
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krnlyngr0kk3rz: the input plugin written by me is not yet public, but will be pretty soon, all other plugins except the graphics plugin are upstream master, the glide64mk2 graphics plugin requires a patch which is on github as pull request on their repository, don't try gles2n64 or ricevideo, they are both broken on the jolla phone12:47
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r0kk3rzah right so it takes a bit of hacking to get it working12:54
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Morpog_PC__Jolla battery sucks: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1446228#post144622813:24
Morpog_PC__lets see where this goes :D13:24
Ezkoi'd gladly take toh with extra battery :P13:30
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r0kk3rzyeah wouldnt be hard to make an extended battery for it13:36
r0kk3rznot a battery toh per say, but a replacement battery and replacement cover13:36
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Ezkor0kk3rz: that's what i have on my desire z13:42
Ezko90s feel13:42
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r0kk3rzyeah13:46
chem|str0kk3rz: there is a thread about LiPo on tmo, someone from the LiPo branch tested another battery, think it was S313:50
mekluchem|st: the thread linked by Morpog_PC__ talks about using an S3's battery13:51
chem|stmeklu: ta, just read the last few lines ;)13:51
meklu:)13:52
chem|stwell I pushed it of the moderation queue... an hour ago or so13:52
* chem|st is getting tired13:53
secMorpog_PC__: that's certainly intereseting13:55
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r0kk3rzdoes the standard gs3 battery have much over the jolla battery?13:59
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Tomoanyone ran Inbox by Gmail successfully?15:10
Tomoi installed Google Play services and was able to login and get to Play store frontpage... Inbox still complaining it requires Google Play Services to function :(15:10
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SceltTomo: update google play services. go to play store, search "google play services" -> update15:14
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Tomokk15:14
Tomoi am also reinstalling Inbox, this time through Play store... previously i just grabbed the .apk from somewhere15:15
Sceltat least I've had to do that several times15:15
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Tomohmm, query in play store for "google play services" did not return google play services :(15:16
Tomothere's GServiceFix, Google Play Games, Google Play Music etc15:16
Tomobut not service15:16
Sceltlet me test15:17
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Tomoif you would, thanks :)15:18
Sceltseems so15:18
Sceltnot there15:18
Tomohmm15:19
Sceltit wasn't too long ago since last time15:19
Sceltbut it's common notice to update the google play services15:19
Tomowell, i reinstalled inbox through play store but that didn't help15:19
SceltTomo: does gmail, drive etc. still work?15:20
Tomohow do you mean "still"? this is the first time i'm installing Google Play Services on my Jolla :)15:20
SceltTomo: as "silti"15:21
Scelt:P15:21
Tomoahaa ok :D15:21
Tomoi'll give gmail app a try15:21
SceltI haven't used inbox app but gmail, calendar, drive have complained about the same issue15:22
Tomoyeah, same error message with Gmail15:22
SceltTomo: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.gms&hl=en15:22
SceltGoogle Inc.  - November 3, 201415:23
Sceltjust updated15:23
Tomobut after updating services you were able to get Gmail running or not?15:23
Scelttry to send the installtion action from web site to your phone?15:23
SceltTomo: gmail works after update yes15:23
Tomoi mean if none of the apps you listed works i'd say it's safe to assume that Inbox won't work either15:23
Sceltthey complain about gms but work after update15:24
Tomoyeah, the installation action made Gmail work15:24
Tomoand Inbox....15:25
Tomoworks!15:25
Sceltkewl :)15:25
Tomothanks :)15:25
SceltTomo: np. btw, there is #jollasuomi if you want to chat about Jolla in Finnish15:25
Tomonah, i'm more comfortable with english in technical matters anyway :)15:26
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SceltTomo: sure :)15:27
TomoInbox seems like a nice experience based on the first few minutes15:29
Tomorecommend to ask for a beta invite and check it out if you are a regular user15:29
Tomoi dunno how Android has indicators for what is called "pulley" in Sailfish.. but if i do a pull towards the bottom an indicator appears that on release of finger it will refresh15:30
Sceltgotta say that I like gmail app very much but trying to use native apps instaed15:30
Sceltarchiving is one thing I especially miss from gmail app15:31
Sceltand I'd need to have two accounts for personal and work use15:32
Sceltbut I haven't found a way to add another google account15:32
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Morpog_PC__@ jolla sailors, twitter open sourced it's emoji's https://blog.twitter.com/2014/open-sourcing-twitter-emoji-for-everyone15:40
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sjtoikok. my kingston SD is fried15:57
sjtoikpiece of...15:57
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Morpog_PC__some harsh browser mem optimizations i can see in commits for u10, but I guess we have to live with it.16:42
Morpog_PC__damn modem eating our ram :D16:42
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_cvp_Hey Sailors o/16:44
FredrIQhmm16:44
FredrIQso I just got a jolla16:44
_cvp_nice16:44
Morpog_PC__and?16:45
FredrIQhow can I utilize alien dalvik?16:45
Morpog_PC__just install it from store16:45
Morpog_PC__then install aptoide from store16:45
Morpog_PC__or get amazon app store via web browser16:46
Morpog_PC__or hack google play store and services into16:46
FredrIQwhat about stuff in Play?16:46
FireFlyIf you have "andorid support" installed, you should be able to install an apk just by opening it16:46
FredrIQwill look into it16:46
Morpog_PC__FredrIQ, play store and services needs a little hacking, but works perfect after16:46
Morpog_PC__instructions in together.jolla.com16:46
FredrIQok, nice16:46
_cvp_hacking? :) installing 2-3 apk files thats it :D16:47
Morpog_PC__well, nowadays16:47
FredrIQi how is compat?16:47
Morpog_PC__?16:47
FredrIQ-i16:47
Morpog_PC__with what?16:47
FredrIQhow well does ut work16:47
Morpog_PC__alien-dalvik?16:48
FredrIQ*it16:48
FredrIQyes16:48
Morpog_PC__with play services 97% of stuff works16:48
Morpog_PC__without like 80 to 85%16:48
Morpog_PC__performance is great16:48
FredrIQgood enough :D16:48
Morpog_PC__alot better than on BBOS1016:48
_cvp_and easier to install ;)16:49
FredrIQyeah I heard  bb had issues16:49
FredrIQhence why I wondered16:49
Morpog_PC__apps that depend on play services can crash or have stuff that doesn't work (like highscore rankings) without play services installed16:49
Morpog_PC__in some apps you can ignore it or just avoid that options, in some you can't16:50
Morpog_PC__thats why I installed after about 6 months play services and play store16:50
Morpog_PC__oh and U9 and U10 will be great ;)16:50
secYes, from what I've seen BBOS has horrid issues16:50
Morpog_PC__I guess you are still on U816:50
_cvp_will U10 release in month Nov or Dez?16:52
meklunot a clue16:53
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_cvp_we have a chance that more codecs are supported by GStreamer 1.4.316:56
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r0kk3rz_cvp_: nov most likely16:57
Aard_cvp_: depends on bash and openssl :p16:57
r0kk3rzbut depends on how many release candidates they have to go through this time16:58
_cvp_yea16:59
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Morpog_PC___cvp_, it will be released when it's done :D17:04
Morpog_PC__and Gstreamer update won't be in u1017:04
_cvp_oh :(17:05
Morpog_PC__don't even hope for u1117:05
_cvp_than end next year17:05
SK_workMorpog_PC__: gstreamer mignt not be in u10, but nobody prevents you in using it (ie linking to gstreamer 1.0 etc)17:07
Morpog_PC__sure17:08
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_cvp_which would improve with 1.4.3?17:17
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AardMorpog_PC__: gstreamer 1.0 is in u10, we're just not yet using it ourselves17:20
Morpog_PC__well, yeah, but thats the part i am waiting for :D17:21
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Aardas for RCs, we're currently at RC2, and I'm right now finishing up what'll go into RC317:22
Morpog_PC__:D17:24
Morpog_PC__let's wait till RC20 ;)17:24
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r0kk3rzMorpog_PC__: dont be mean, not even uitukka had 20 RCs17:26
Morpog_PC__erm, was it 18?17:26
Aardno, 13 (or 14, if you count the hotfix)17:27
Morpog_PC__ah, not that bad then17:27
Aardstill a new record17:28
Aardbefore the record was u5 with 8 RCs17:28
Morpog_PC__after I had fixed my btrfs balance issues I don't see that much issues with U917:29
Aardwhile the highest buildcount with 7 rcs was u4 (1.0.4.20)17:29
Morpog_PC__still good to have some time for developers to adapt their apps17:29
Morpog_PC__is zram in u10 also configured or "just" included in kernel?17:30
Aarddefinitely, and u10 fixes a lot of things17:30
Aardu10 uses zram17:30
Morpog_PC__lovely17:30
Morpog_PC__will be a great surprise for all that new buyers with 100€ vouchers :D17:31
Morpog_PC__it's like project butter on android17:31
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AardMorpog_PC__: also a default-device currently boots into a bit over 100mb ram _less_ used than in u917:31
r0kk3rzAard: nice :)17:32
Morpog_PC__thats great, as I end up with 16mb ram free on u9 :D17:32
w00tMorpog_PC__: you still will, most probably17:32
raa700_ 4kb is enough for everyone17:32
w00tmemory is one of those resources that is always filled, no matter how much you have17:32
Morpog_PC__as long as my swap is less used i'm fine :)17:33
Morpog_PC__atm it's always at min 200mb17:33
* w00t notes his firefox on desktop is currently using 2gb, speaking of memory use17:33
r0kk3rzyeah thats firefox though17:33
r0kk3rzalways eats all of the ram17:33
Aardin my case it starts eating all of my cpu before it can eat all of the ram :/17:34
Morpog_PC__I'm still puzzled how smooth gecko is on sailfishos compared to Gecko with XUL on Windows17:34
w00tskype is winning my CPU contest, at a solid 9%17:34
Morpog_PC__XUL sucks17:34
w00twhich is amazing given it's doing absolutely bugger all17:34
Aardw00t: I gave up on skype completely about a month ago17:35
w00tMorpog_PC__: you should try port our browser to windows, clearly ;p17:35
Morpog_PC__skype is so full of spammers17:35
Aardonly pulse-support in new versions, and at the same time they broke login on the old versions17:36
Morpog_PC__w00t, I proposed that in mozillazine forums about half a year ago :D17:36
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Morpog_PC__they all were like? what QML no way17:36
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w00tdo, don't propose :P best way to make things happen and convince the unbelievers! ;)17:37
Morpog_PC__:D17:37
Morpog_PC__too less time to properly learn QML and especially C**17:38
r0kk3rzdo, and then complain when they reject your merge requests17:38
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Morpog_PC__it's only enough to do some lil hackery here and tehre :D17:38
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ender|does anybody know how to change the fingerterm keyboard to include characters that don't have a scancode defined? specifically, i'd like to add Č, Š and Ž to my keyboard18:05
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SK_workender|: see this: https://github.com/nemomobile/fingerterm/pull/15/files ?18:10
SK_worksend a similar pull request :)18:10
ender|problem is that ü and ä have defined scancodes in Qt documentation, and there's none for čšž18:11
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ender|I tried to use the Unicode positions (since they match for üöä), but that doesn't work (I don't get any character in the terminal)18:12
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Morpog_PC__yay 0,5mm less thickness on TOHKBD!18:21
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ln-the real problem is that afaik fingerterm doesn't support long-pressing keys to get more letters.18:25
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ln-more accented letters and such, that is.18:25
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r0kk3rzyeah its odd that it doesnt use the normal keyboard18:43
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Yanielhttps://together.jolla.com/question/62337/corrupted-video-playback-in-browser/18:54
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coderusdon't you already know russian government is stupid? http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/571776/20141105/apple.htm#.VF0WUFRtN5S18:59
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Hartziyeas we know very well19:01
Hartzitoo bad you have had only one good head of the state19:03
r0kk3rzcoderus: thats ok, good old tony is going to get in a fight with putin at the g2019:04
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coderusln-: you can create custom layouts for fingerterm19:12
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TeguI wonder why two different tip calculators have suddenly been released in the store19:13
Tegulike 25 hours in between19:14
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Aardtipping me is important.19:47
Hartziall of you can tip me too.19:58
Stskeepstipping cows?19:58
phaeronwhich side do you want to be tipped to20:02
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ender|<r0kk3rz> yeah its odd that it doesnt use the normal keyboard <- as far as i know, custom keyboard is raison d'être for fingerterm (the normal keyboard caused too much scrolling)20:13
Stskeepsso, i've obviously had too many xmas beers, do i remember correctly that if you use voucher you'll pay 249 EUR for a jolla?20:13
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svuorelaStskeeps: I need your help with my phone. when you at symbion ? :)20:14
ender|<coderus> ln-: you can create custom layouts for fingerterm <- that's what i'm trying to do, but i can't get it to output č, š and ž20:14
Stskeepssvuorela: hmm, that's a bit unclear atm; i'm in a train towards cph20:14
Stskeepssvuorela: what broke?20:14
r0kk3rzStskeeps: yeah 249 for a jolla with the voucher20:15
svuorelaStskeeps: the ability to connect to the cell tower, I think.20:15
Stskeepssvuorela: factory reset doesn't help anything?20:15
Stskeepsdid your device ever go in for the sim card issue?20:15
svuorelaHow much does factory reset reset ? I have like data and stuf and such on it ?20:16
Stskeepswell, it resets everything..20:16
Stskeepsbut anyway20:16
Stskeepslet's take a look tomorrow20:16
Stskeepsjust find me during conference, i'll be in a jolla jumper and jolla tshirt20:16
Stskeepsi doubt others will be.20:16
Stskeepsall black.20:16
svuorelaand no. The only sim card issue I previously had was lack of receiving texts and that magically fixed itself after a irc session with you :)20:16
Stskeepsexcept my nails and lipstick.20:16
Stskeeps:P20:16
Stskeeps.. and hair20:17
Stskeeps:P20:17
svuorelaI think it would look good on you20:17
Stskeepsgood old teenage days.. nowadays i have to look more professional20:18
Stskeeps:P20:18
svuorelayeah. I was in the "big uniform" at QtDevdays last month. People mistook me for a kdab employee20:19
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Stskeepshehe20:20
Stskeepsman, i didn't miss the ic3s..20:24
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svuorelaStskeeps: then you should try the ic4's.20:24
Stskeepsi've tried the ic4s and i think my first impression was that they were a faraday cage on wheels.20:25
svuorelanoisy faraday cages that can't start or stop easily.20:25
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Stskeepsor break, or how was it..20:25
Stskeepser, brake20:25
svuorelathey don't brake easy, but they do break easy.20:26
svuorela - and for expensive trains, that's kind of opposite of what it is intended20:26
svuorelaStskeeps: watch out for copenhagen city if you are heading there tonight. it is tonight the night where all the people who aren't used to go out drink go out drink.20:27
Stskeepsyeah20:28
Stskeepsi have like hotel right next to kbh h, so :P20:28
Stskeepsi just plan on walking there, crashing (we left poland at 5am this morning.) and then be fresh for tomorrow20:28
svuorelaStskeeps: Astoria ?20:29
Stskeepsnaah. omena20:29
svuorelaah. apple hotel20:29
Stskeepsold habits from .fi die hard20:29
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svuorelaStskeeps: how did you succeed in taking the train to denmark ? isn't german trains on strike?20:31
Stskeepssvuorela: car; took shifts me and my wife driving20:31
svuorelaoh.20:31
svuorelanow I'm curious. why did you switch to train?20:32
Stskeepslong story short: weird vacation plans that involve me going alone to cph for two weekends20:32
Stskeeps:P20:32
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r0kk3rzim sure there are worse places to go20:34
Stskeepsyeah, like hki in the middle of a snow storm and the plane has a stand arrival..20:35
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svuorelaStskeeps: but, how can you be in ic3 for so long and not have disconnecting internets ?20:36
Stskeepssvuorela: tethering20:36
Stskeepsi still keep a danish number for various reason20:36
Stskeepsalso20:36
Stskeepsmosh20:36
svuorelathere is several mobile dead zones along the ringsted track20:37
Stskeepsnot on the devil island yet20:37
svuorelaaha.20:37
svuorelawave to my parents when you go thru Odense20:37
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Stskeepshehe20:39
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silver_hookCan we expect anything at this year’s Slush or not really?20:48
silver_hookI don’t see Jolla listed amongst the speakers…20:48
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silver_hookInstalling SailfishOS on an Android phone overrides it or makes it dual-boot?21:10
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coderussilver_hook: #sailfishos-porters21:13
silver_hookcoderus: Thanks! And thank you also for the awesome apps on MeeGo and Sailfish :)21:14
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Stskeeps"next station: aalborg"21:26
Stskeepsi sureee hope not.21:26
Stskeepsbuggy trains are fantastic.21:26
tigeliwhat's wrong with it?21:27
tigeliI mean aalborg21:27
Stskeepswell, it's in the wrong direction of where i'm going21:27
Stskeeps:P21:27
tigeli:)21:27
Stskeepsie, north of denmark with east of denmark ;)21:27
Stskeepsvs21:27
r0kk3rzhow many xmas beers did you have again Stskeeps?21:27
Stskeepsnot nearly enough to survive a 4 hour train trip21:28
Stskeeps:P21:28
r0kk3rz4hrs, thats nothing21:28
Stskeepsno, i've tried worse21:28
Stskeepsbut add on top of a 10hr already trip.. :P21:28
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stephgsorry someone said beer?21:29
r0kk3rzyeah 10hrs is a bit much21:29
r0kk3rznot looking forward to my 14hr flight to singapore21:29
stephgr0kk3rz: going home for xmas?21:30
gogetaStskeeps, italian redhat's executive doens't trust me about systemd on phone21:30
r0kk3rzwell, before xmas21:30
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stephgover the holidays then21:30
r0kk3rzbut yeah, back in tas for a couple of weeks before i start the new job in the uk21:30
gogetaI said ... do you know this systemctl :-D21:31
Stskeepsgogeta: let him ssh in.21:31
gogetathey made a huge "opensource day" into a marble bunker without 3g and without wifi ... I was also a co-hoster21:32
stephgr0kk3rz: if your flight/trains are amenable we should try and catch you on the way out21:32
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gogetahttp://redhat-osd.it/21:32
r0kk3rzwell i get a day in helsinki, and kimmoli has a present for me21:33
r0kk3rzyou're south uk arent you stephg?21:33
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kimmolithat reminds me that need to check that did i receive pcbs from tbr..21:36
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tbrkimmoli: umyeah :)21:41
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r0kk3rzi think im starting to get a hang of this solidworks thing22:12
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eyea_UKJolla )0!1@ yoh23:58

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