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| eyea_UK | Jolla )0!1@ Yoh | 10:17 |
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| gogeta | ? | 10:17 |
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| Venemo | hey :) | 10:18 |
| Morpog_PC | €99,466 | 10:19 |
| ar | OVER9000 ;) | 10:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | Morpog_PC: its interesting how the slow down in pledges has coincided with the lack of 'early bird' rewards | 10:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | 100-120e for a keyboard, sells like hotcakes, 120-140 - not so much | 10:32 |
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| silver_hook | r0kk3rz: Well + 100 € for TOHKBD - 100 € for Jolla = gratis TOHKBD | 10:41 |
| r0kk3rz | unless you already have a jolla | 10:42 |
| r0kk3rz | which i would have thought was the main market | 10:42 |
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| r0kk3rz | the slowdown is probably for the best though, poor dirk doesnt need to be making too many keyboards | 10:44 |
| Nicd- | r0kk3rz: I think it's because most of the people who really really want one jumped on the chance the first day | 10:45 |
| ln- | i guess with €99,466 it's possible to even hire someone for a month to help with making keyboards | 10:47 |
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| r0kk3rz | ln-: i think dirk is putting the cash into better equipment | 10:48 |
| r0kk3rz | automation rather than extra bodies | 10:49 |
| tango_ | the first day? | 11:01 |
| tango_ | I got in 6 hours since the kickstarter and the 100€ early bird was over already | 11:01 |
| tango_ | maybe less than 6 hours actually | 11:01 |
| tango_ | jeepers | 11:01 |
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| Yaniel | first day. | 11:04 |
| Morpog_PC | why are people that agressive towards Jolla? | 11:05 |
| Nicd- | who? | 11:05 |
| Morpog_PC | https://together.jolla.com/question/48921/lipstick-eating-lot-of-ram-while-downloading-big-files-via-stock-browser/ | 11:05 |
| Morpog_PC | see comments of ZogG and vasavr | 11:05 |
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| Morpog_PC | Jonni suggests a workaround and they throw with shit | 11:06 |
| Sail0r | ? | 11:06 |
| Nicd- | Morpog_PC: vasavr wasn't aggressive | 11:07 |
| Nicd- | btw, that thread is months old | 11:07 |
| Nicd- | so probably not worth responding to | 11:07 |
| Morpog_PC | it's in the hot list atm | 11:07 |
| Morpog_PC | and if you read between the lines it's kinda agressive | 11:07 |
| Yaniel | let's face it, people have no clue about computers | 11:07 |
| Yaniel | or sw development | 11:08 |
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| r0kk3rz | i think the assumption is, if a work around is proposed then the original problem is left unpatched | 11:08 |
| r0kk3rz | which is a bad assumption | 11:08 |
| Morpog_PC | and why people always have that assumption when it comes to Jolla? | 11:08 |
| Nicd- | Morpog_PC: I agree with his point though, it's not really a good thing that the OS is broken so you have to download stuff using cli | 11:09 |
| Morpog_PC | well, you don't have to. You can still use the sailfish browser and live with it's flaws until it's fixed, or just use an Android browser | 11:10 |
| Nicd- | you can't download stuff with an android browser | 11:10 |
| Yaniel | Morpog_PC: it's not just with jolla | 11:10 |
| Morpog_PC | I could understand it if tehre was a big WONTFIX over it | 11:10 |
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| Morpog_PC | Nicd-, erm, why have I done that then already? | 11:11 |
| r0kk3rz | possibly because there is little visibillity on what bugs they are tracking | 11:11 |
| Yaniel | jollas userbase is just still quite small so stuff like this gets more attention | 11:11 |
| r0kk3rz | despite the fact that rainisto said he added it to the internal tracker | 11:11 |
| Nicd- | Morpog_PC: you have to manually move the files from some random android folder, at which point it's the same as using curl anyway | 11:11 |
| Morpog_PC | Nicd-, come on, file managers on Jolla have the android directorys as shortcuts already | 11:12 |
| r0kk3rz | but anyone that thinks that sailfish is joe-sixpack ready is sorely mistaken I think | 11:13 |
| Nicd- | Morpog_PC: does a regular user know that? how can they know what to look for? even I have no idea where the files are stored | 11:13 |
| Yaniel | well that is what people assume when something is brought to the market | 11:13 |
| Nicd- | as a user I would expect it to work out of the box | 11:13 |
| r0kk3rz | i expected a few rough edges | 11:15 |
| r0kk3rz | missing features etc | 11:15 |
| r0kk3rz | and i jumped aboard at tahkalampi | 11:15 |
| Morpog_PC | Nicd-, open cargo dock, clock on Android storage :D | 11:15 |
| Morpog_PC | click | 11:16 |
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| Nicd- | Morpog_PC: and a regular user knows to do that... how? by joining #jollamobile and asking? | 11:16 |
| Morpog_PC | I remember android in it's first versions to be far worse than sailfish | 11:16 |
| Morpog_PC | Nicd-, a regular user doesn't buy a Jolla | 11:17 |
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| Morpog_PC | he doesn't even know about Jolla | 11:17 |
| Nicd- | wrong | 11:17 |
| Nicd- | my wife wants a jolla. even my mom wants a jolla | 11:17 |
| Morpog_PC | you are finnish? | 11:17 |
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| Nicd- | yes, and plenty of people here know. but I can't recommend it to them yet because of stuff like this | 11:18 |
| Morpog_PC | sure, I wouldn't recommened to them too | 11:18 |
| Morpog_PC | maybe in a year | 11:18 |
| Morpog_PC | but would your mom download a big iso file to her phone anyways Nicd- ? :D | 11:19 |
| Morpog_PC | lets be fair, basic stuff should be OK already for the average joe | 11:20 |
| r0kk3rz | $regularUser often asks opinion of other people before purchasing a smartphone | 11:20 |
| Morpog_PC | $jollaUser should be wise not to recommened to $regularUSer | 11:20 |
| r0kk3rz | but its a reasonable point, jolla is a fairly niche product at present | 11:21 |
| Morpog_PC | sure | 11:21 |
| Morpog_PC | and they know that | 11:21 |
| r0kk3rz | j2 will be a bit more $regularUser ready | 11:21 |
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| Morpog_PC | everything about it is niche | 11:21 |
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| Morpog_PC | price, hw, aimed userbase | 11:22 |
| Morpog_PC | and sw too :D | 11:22 |
| ortylp | Jolla is buggy enough to keep $ReglarUser far away from Jolla, it is even too buggy for me | 11:22 |
| Morpog_PC | i'm a old N9 user and don't miss harmattan in any way | 11:22 |
| Morpog_PC | I miss the superior hw of my N9 for sure | 11:23 |
| Sail0r | I changed from a Galaxy S3 to Jolla (First One) and it was more stable at the beginning then my S3 ever was | 11:23 |
| Sail0r | but yeah features are missing | 11:23 |
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| Morpog_PC | imagine a N9, in 4,5" 720p display, 2GB ram, dual core and SailfishOS | 11:23 |
| ortylp | I would like N900 with up-to-date internals and updated OS, nothing more (N900 and N9 in my drawer, GalaxyNote as a second phone, Jolla as main phone for bugreporting, and a old nokia dumbphone for reliable receiving calls...) | 11:25 |
| ortylp | N900 with 4GB RAM and modern quadcore | 11:26 |
| r0kk3rz | id be happy with a jphone with bigger screen/thinner bezels and a mild spec bump | 11:27 |
| ortylp | and battery large enough (as GalaxyNote2 suvives whole day no matter what I use it for) | 11:27 |
| Nicd- | I'd like a communicator style phone with a full hd touchscreen inside and full qwerty <3 | 11:27 |
| r0kk3rz | dualcore is fine, 2gb of ram would be fine | 11:27 |
| stephg | yeah my only complaint really is memory | 11:27 |
| * stephg loves his jolla | 11:27 | |
| Nicd- | memory is a problem because of all the memory leaks | 11:28 |
| Nicd- | phone is near unusable when you get to 20-30+ days uptime | 11:28 |
| r0kk3rz | im not sure ive ever gotten to that kind of uptime | 11:29 |
| r0kk3rz | ive always had to reboot for something | 11:29 |
| r0kk3rz | swap sim, random issue | 11:29 |
| AJAX555 | 13days and my phone restarts itself | 11:30 |
| AJAX555 | or, crashes | 11:30 |
| ortylp | I do not know what is the status of QT5 but QT4 (which I have to work with) leaks like hell, usually through some GTK UI/Font libraries on the desktop. | 11:30 |
| Nicd- | r0kk3rz: according to sailtime my record was 29 days 23 hours 27 minutes | 11:31 |
| Nicd- | at that point memory and swap are both full so if you open up a browser, 1 or 2 apps die because of oom | 11:31 |
| r0kk3rz | Nicd-: reassess in U10 i guess | 11:32 |
| ortylp | reboot avery few days, at least once a week is a must, its is too buggy at the moment, and the only known fix is a reboot :( | 11:32 |
| r0kk3rz | since we know they've been working hard on memory issues | 11:32 |
| Nicd- | let's hope it's better in that version | 11:32 |
| Nicd- | of course, if they could stick to their monthly schedule I wouldn't need to go over 30 days of uptime... ;D | 11:32 |
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| ortylp | I think, that smaller incremental updates were better than everything at once... | 11:33 |
| r0kk3rz | ortylp: some things are better in one big lump though | 11:35 |
| ortylp | this move with voluntary update for developers was pretty wise in the present situation | 11:35 |
| r0kk3rz | like qt 5.2 | 11:35 |
| ortylp | well, if you consider update to qt5.2 you may be right | 11:35 |
| Nicd- | next up: qt 5.4! ;) | 11:36 |
| ortylp | are newer qt versions (5.1+) cleaned up, or are they still going after features bloating it up? | 11:37 |
| r0kk3rz | it would be interesting if they continued an opt-in pre-release for Un+1 | 11:37 |
| Nicd- | ortylp: what do you mean with cleaned up? | 11:38 |
| r0kk3rz | since i think the jolla guys run a bleeding edge version on their phones | 11:38 |
| ortylp | Nicd-: I mean focus on bugfixes and refactoring to get the code base smaller | 11:39 |
| Yaniel | haven't they been doing that for most of the 5.x series | 11:39 |
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| ortylp | the have at the jump from qt4 to qt5, I did not follow recent developments (I am still stuck at 4.8.6 :( ) | 11:40 |
| Yaniel | afaik it has been very much refactoring | 11:41 |
| ortylp | and cannot jump to 5 because of nasty qt3 dependencies... | 11:41 |
| Yaniel | and making things more modular | 11:41 |
| ortylp | yep, that was the jump from 4 to 5 | 11:42 |
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| r0kk3rz | theres also a lot of QML object omissions | 11:59 |
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| kimmoli | r0kk3rz: any schedule for monday? | 12:07 |
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| r0kk3rz | kimmoli: i'm available pretty much all day | 12:08 |
| r0kk3rz | i fly out at midnight, so not too late into the evening, otherwise whenever is cool | 12:09 |
| kimmoli | ok | 12:09 |
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| Venemo | ortylp: maybe the Neo900 is for you? | 12:14 |
| * Stskeeps watches some lightning talk at opensourcedays.org | 12:27 | |
| Morpog_PC | I guess there are no streams? | 12:27 |
| locusf | any talks pending for FOSDEM? | 12:27 |
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| Stskeeps | Morpog_PC: don't think so | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | svuorela: here by now? | 12:28 |
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| minimec | Hi folks. I decided to add a new SD card to my Jolla. The card will probably be a 64GB SanDisk, formatted with btrfs (compressed). My question is... Is the Jolla hardware capable of make use of the extra write speed, provided by let's say a 'SanDisk Extreme' (~80MB write), compared to the ~48MB of a SanDisk Ultra? | 12:48 |
| minimec | Would you have some decent alternatives to SanDisk? | 12:48 |
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| r0kk3rz | new ideas for a project | 12:56 |
| r0kk3rz | http://makersify.com/products/adafruit-pn532-nfc-rfid-controller-shield-for-arduino-extras | 12:56 |
| r0kk3rz | external NFC TOH | 12:56 |
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| r0kk3rz | that actually looks like it'll be fairly useful | 13:05 |
| kimmoli | not a new idea... just missing time to hook PN532 in... | 13:10 |
| r0kk3rz | new idea for me :P | 13:11 |
| r0kk3rz | i got some simple ideas to work on first though | 13:12 |
| r0kk3rz | which will have to wait until i get back from aus | 13:13 |
| r0kk3rz | uv meter, that would be useful in tas | 13:14 |
| r0kk3rz | but in summer you can already feel yourself cooking so i guess it doesnt really matter | 13:14 |
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| kimmoli | tbr: no mail :( | 15:06 |
| tbr | kimmoli: the f*ck? | 15:06 |
| tbr | kimmoli: I sent it off on wednesday evening | 15:06 |
| kimmoli | have dig deeper in my stash do i have one somewhere | 15:06 |
| kimmoli | if it can fail... | 15:07 |
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| tbr | kimmoli: I could have dropped off another one, but the post office is closed now. I could take a bus to the downtown post office tomorrow if they have sunday emptying of their post boxes. (do you know that?) | 15:23 |
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| tbr | kimmoli: so I likely dropped it off after the wednesday cutoff, so it went out on thursday, but still it should have made it by friday... | 15:29 |
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| kimmoli | yes it should have made it. | 15:40 |
| kimmoli | but if it arrives on monday, and i meet r0kk3rz anyway at unspecified time... | 15:41 |
| tbr | *nod* fingers crossed | 15:41 |
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| phlixi | what does it mean when the led is flashing green (pretty past, maybe 3-5 times) when unlocking? | 19:31 |
| phlixi | should that indicate empty battery? (currently 11%) | 19:31 |
| phlixi | ...10 :) | 19:31 |
| stephg | phlixi: means the display is slow to wake | 19:32 |
| stephg | (well not the display, the software, but you see what I mean) | 19:32 |
| phlixi | slow to wake? | 19:32 |
| tango_ | taking too long to come out of sleep | 19:33 |
| Nicd- | it means lipstick is not responding while display is being activated | 19:33 |
| Nicd- | I think | 19:33 |
| phlixi | i translate that to, that means that phone is unlocked, allthough nothing is displayed... display will folow | 19:33 |
| tango_ | and yes that happens on a low battery | 19:33 |
| phlixi | ok | 19:33 |
| tango_ | but it doesn't specifically mean low battery | 19:33 |
| tango_ | you could have some tasks eating 100% of the CPU and thus making lipstick unresponsive | 19:34 |
| stephg | no, can happen if the device is busy | 19:34 |
| stephg | exactly | 19:34 |
| tango_ | btw am I the only one that every time I read/write lipstick I think about the putting lipstick on a pig thing? | 19:34 |
| phlixi | thgen this was an edge-case, because it went on pretty fast | 19:34 |
| phlixi | thanks anyway | 19:35 |
| phlixi | unfortunately my jolla startet to switch off (not rebooting) quite often the last week | 19:35 |
| phlixi | I had exatly one day back in april, when it rebooted like crazy, and not its back, since last sunday | 19:36 |
| phlixi | is this maybe related to incomming calls? (I rarly talk on the phone at all, maybe this week someone tried to call me, all reboots where like between 19:00 and 21:00 | 19:37 |
| phlixi | or is this totally absurd, that those reboots are related to incomming calls? | 19:37 |
| phlixi | in one occasion I tried to surf to a webpage, and it rebooted 4 times, before i was able to load the page | 19:38 |
| phlixi | (then switched off and i gave up, when looked at tit later, it was off) | 19:38 |
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| nander | Is it just me, or is the built-in browser really unstable? | 19:52 |
| Yaniel | what do you mean? | 19:53 |
| nander | It keeps crashing | 19:53 |
| nander | I open it, try to enter a URL and it's gone again | 19:53 |
| nander | Then after retrying two times or so it works | 19:53 |
| nander | for a while | 19:54 |
| Raim | nander: wait until the home page loads... it also happens to me quite often | 19:55 |
| Raim | nander: also, you can type a URL while it is still loading the home page, but then it replaces the text with the "jolla.com" URL once it has finished loading, which is very annoying. | 19:56 |
| nander | Also, if I open a webpage which needs my location, it crashes after asking (and me granting) permission | 19:58 |
| nander | So I basically can't use these sites | 19:58 |
| tango_ | yah, the browser is very non-robust | 19:59 |
| Raim | I heard it improved in update 9, but I have not opted-in yet | 19:59 |
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| ender| | Raim: the loading url overrides the url you're typing in hasn't been fixed in u9 | 20:09 |
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| GsC_RuL3Z | coderus, are you in? | 20:48 |
| coderus | GsC_RuL3Z: sure | 20:53 |
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| fennekki | is there a GUI telegram app yet | 21:35 |
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| fennekki | even a wrapper for the CLI one? | 21:35 |
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| Nicd- | not that I know of | 21:41 |
| Nicd- | one guy I know is looking at the telegram code but it keeps segfaulting | 21:41 |
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| fennekki | shame. | 22:23 |
| fennekki | I guess the developerbase just isn't big enough to spontaneously fill the void left by mitakuuluu being... kind of out of the question | 22:24 |
| fennekki | at least for all who've been banned | 22:24 |
| fennekki | I'd try rolling my own if it wasn't for the fact I have no clue if there's a library that implements the Telegram protocol, or anything | 22:25 |
| fennekki | not going to try that by myself, yet, at least | 22:25 |
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| r0kk3rz | fennekki: there are a few examples of telegram libraries | 23:42 |
| r0kk3rz | ive thought about having a crack, but ive got too much going on | 23:42 |
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