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| Ezko | thank you all for helping | 00:02 |
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| falfa | I don't use the "small swipe" in the apps overview | 00:08 |
| falfa | Maybe i should start doing that | 00:08 |
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| Ezko | falfa: small swipe? | 00:14 |
| falfa | Yeah. In the view of all apps running, each app have a choice of letting you do a left- or right-swipe | 00:17 |
| Ezko | oh right | 00:17 |
| falfa | instead of raising the app | 00:17 |
| Ezko | which browser do you use? | 00:17 |
| Ezko | the native one seems a bit odd | 00:17 |
| falfa | it is | 00:18 |
| falfa | but the native in android is too | 00:18 |
| falfa | the web is broken, that is why | 00:18 |
| falfa | its not the browsers fault | 00:18 |
| Ezko | i don't use native browser in android though :P | 00:18 |
| Ezko | yeah i was just wondering if you or anyone knows of any good alternative | 00:19 |
| falfa | i spent 2 minutes tryin one called cat or something... | 00:19 |
| Ezko | :P | 00:20 |
| falfa | webcat, at least its different | 00:20 |
| Ezko | i guess i'll get used to it | 00:20 |
| Ezko | i don't use the browser on my phone a lot anyway | 00:20 |
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| falfa | i do more and more :-( | 00:24 |
| Ezko | :P | 00:25 |
| Ezko | well actually i might start using it more now that my i have a phone with a screen that isn't tiny | 00:25 |
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| Pawky | Maybe it's time for the finnish developers to stop giving their apps finnish names. All we end up with are for the rest of the world some unpronoucable and alien words with icons to where you have no clue what its about. The only way to find out would be to click on each and everyone of them, which is tedious, uninspiring and counter productive... | 05:51 |
| Pawky | ... or have I all these years just missed out some parameter that will change all this? | 05:51 |
| Pawky | I thought it was kind of cute in the beginning, but now its not as fun any more... | 05:52 |
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| tigeli | Pawky: why do think those names would mean anything even to native Finns?-) | 06:15 |
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| Pawky | tigeli: LOL :-) | 06:16 |
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| Nicd- | Pawky: how would you name a WeeChat relay client? | 06:59 |
| Nicd- | I have a name but it's immature and probably won't pass harbour QA :P | 06:59 |
| Nicd- | so I need a better one | 06:59 |
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| Pawky | Nicd-: why not name it weechat? | 07:00 |
| Nicd- | because it's not weechat | 07:00 |
| Nicd- | it's a relay client FOR weechat | 07:00 |
| Pawky | Nicd-: weeclient? | 07:00 |
| Pawky | Nicd-: weerclient | 07:00 |
| Pawky | Nicd-: weirclient | 07:01 |
| Pawky | weir(d)client | 07:01 |
| Armadillo | lol | 07:01 |
| Armadillo | morning guys | 07:01 |
| Pawky | morning | 07:01 |
| tbr | the theme has been beaten to death, but how about WeeSail? | 07:02 |
| Nicd- | I don't like sail since half of the apps are named *Sail* | 07:03 |
| Pawky | "weircsail ? | 07:03 |
| tbr | that's the "beaten to death" part, yes | 07:03 |
| Pawky | weirdsail | 07:03 |
| Pawky | that D just got to be in there... ;-) | 07:03 |
| tbr | Nicd-: oh, I know, go for something totally unrelated, like the name of a finnish mountain or something... | 07:03 |
| Pawky | tbr: LOL | 07:04 |
| tadzik | weelay? :) | 07:04 |
| tbr | I'm sure everyone would love to have an app named "Korvatunturi" | 07:04 |
| Nicd- | heheh | 07:04 |
| Nicd- | tadzik: ! that's closer | 07:04 |
| tadzik | tbr: yeah, that would be terrible, good thing we don't have that kind of situation yet... | 07:04 |
| tadzik | right? right? :P | 07:04 |
| Pawky | Nicd-: I know, name it scuba-diver in finnish.... orheilo sukkel... something :-) | 07:04 |
| l1pi | weirdfish :) | 07:05 |
| Pawky | +1 | 07:05 |
| Pawky | :-) | 07:05 |
| Pawky | werefishing | 07:05 |
| tadzik | Nicd-: how about jupia? It's a short for "Just Publish It Already" :P | 07:05 |
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| Pawky | how about my_wee_client_that_uses_irc, that will be about the same size as an average finnish word.... B-) | 07:07 |
| tadzik | I like naming my projects after random animals, they're totally unrelated but at least easy to remember | 07:07 |
| tadzik | Nicd-: anyway, now you have to tell us just how immature the original idea was :P | 07:08 |
| tbr | tadzik: your sailfish apps should then use random animal names in finnish. ;) | 07:08 |
| Nicd- | tadzik: haha. currently it's called WeeCRApp and that's all kinds of wrong | 07:08 |
| Nicd- | but it totally innocently stands for WeeChat Relay App | 07:09 |
| tbr | Nicd-: it's not as punny as IoToilets though | 07:09 |
| Pawky | yea,and don't forget to throw in a few chinese characters to go with it... | 07:09 |
| meklu | ICBINABC | 07:10 |
| meklu | "I can't believe it's not a bouncer client!" | 07:10 |
| tbr | YABC | 07:10 |
| Nicd- | tbr: it's not a bouncer ;) | 07:10 |
| tbr | YAWC | 07:11 |
| meklu | Yak | 07:11 |
| meklu | Jakki | 07:11 |
| Nicd- | YAWN = Yet Another Weird Name? | 07:11 |
| tbr | if you backronym it somehow YAWN | 07:11 |
| meklu | "YAWN Ain't Worth Nuffink" | 07:12 |
| meklu | recursive backronyms | 07:12 |
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| tbr | Nicd-: terribly punny: Hello-Wee-N | 08:02 |
| meklu | that sounds like it could infringe a trademark or two | 08:03 |
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| nander | Is there an estimate for the next jolla update? | 08:22 |
| nander | I needs carddav | 08:22 |
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| joonahoi | nander: is the carddav support in Uitukka? | 08:23 |
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| joonahoi | you can opt-in for that release already | 08:23 |
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| pcfe | ah crud, yes, still need to do that. this ipt-in business is a bit of a PITA though, it sounded so good "one update a month" | 08:28 |
| pcfe | guess too any muggles that complain about every single change, get these at work sometimes | 08:28 |
| entil | to be fair, it's a big-ass update | 08:28 |
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| stephg | yup | 08:29 |
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| pcfe | well, to me it's also a geek phone, sometimes shit breaks | 08:48 |
| pcfe | I'll be recommending this to muggles at iteration 2 or 3 | 08:49 |
| pcfe | where muggle == the kind of people that get confused wnen Apple or Google move icons around in their mobile OS | 08:49 |
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| Jope | I'm not sure whether those people can be helped | 08:52 |
| Jope | the nokia asha line would have been perfect for them | 08:52 |
| Jope | but it was a bit too crap after all :-D | 08:52 |
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| stephg | \o/ u10 feature list is out | 09:02 |
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| Nicd- | link link link link | 09:02 |
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| stephg | https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-November/005168.html | 09:03 |
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| Nicd- | woooo call silence | 09:03 |
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| * pcfe reads. Thanks stephg | 09:05 | |
| Teme | hmm, i actually find flipping unnecessary | 09:05 |
| Teme | with the snooze | 09:06 |
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| Teme | the current alarm is already so easy to just flick up or down when you are in bed :D | 09:06 |
| pcfe | I, for one, welcome that feature. Every phone that lacks it gets a bit on my nerves | 09:06 |
| Teme | only problem is to remember the direction | 09:06 |
| flux | I would like the alarm to automatically go silent just when you touch the phone (but keep vibrating & displaying it) | 09:07 |
| pcfe | I like that changelog, but forst to put Uitukka on mine I guess | 09:07 |
| flux | I remember mentioning it somewhere at tjc, but I don't think there's a question for it :) | 09:07 |
| stephg | Teme the alarm took me a long time to master ;) | 09:07 |
| Teme | :D | 09:08 |
| pcfe | flux: that sounds nice too, but being already bad at the snooze game, I guess if it was just a touch anywhere I'd never wake up ;-) (I have managed to get out of bed, snooze an alarm on the other side of the room, get back to bed and wake up 2-3 hours later, not remembering the snooze action) | 09:08 |
| Teme | i am not proud i've mastered snoozing :) | 09:08 |
| flux | pcfe, well, it could just last for 20 seconds or so | 09:09 |
| Jope | I don't use snooze myself :-) | 09:09 |
| Jope | what self betrayal :-) | 09:09 |
| Teme | i use two alarm mechanisms, my phone and pc | 09:09 |
| Teme | pc forces me out of bed | 09:09 |
| flux | pcfe, in any case, it would provide a fast way to first make it shut up and then do the actual acknowledgement :) | 09:09 |
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| pcfe | my bedside clock is better at this, it does not snooze, you prss the button, it's off until next morning (this is by design) | 09:09 |
| pdanek | I always setup multiple alarms. | 09:09 |
| pcfe | flux: as I said, it sounds like a good feature, just not for me personally | 09:10 |
| flux | we have a sunrise clock that basically wakes us up and then the phone says when to get out of bed | 09:10 |
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| TemeV | but snooze alarm by flipping works already, why is it in the todo list? | 09:11 |
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| joonahoi | related: https://twitter.com/markleggett/status/530144420394315776 | 09:12 |
| pcfe | flux: sounds like my Axbo | 09:12 |
| flux | yes, though ours controls a lamp that's directed directly towards our heads :) | 09:13 |
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| flux | so there are the plans for u10, but when is u9 generally available?-) | 09:14 |
| SK_work | flux: maybe never ? | 09:14 |
| SK_work | maybe it will be released as u10 ? | 09:14 |
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| locusf | u9 is released opt-in only, u10 generally available to all | 09:15 |
| pdanek | is u9 being opt-only exception | 09:15 |
| pdanek | or this will happen often? | 09:15 |
| pdanek | like people who move to u10, soon there will be opt-only u11? | 09:16 |
| Armadillo | u9 brings the beta upgrade to QT5.2 which is a very big change | 09:16 |
| Armadillo | so I think this could happen on every big update | 09:16 |
| flux | this means current developers will use versions that few non-developer will likely ever use ;) | 09:17 |
| Armadillo | I like it, because I could adapt my applications to the new versions before all users complain that nothing is working with the new update and I'm in a hurry to fix this asap | 09:17 |
| flux | fair point | 09:18 |
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| pcfe | *nod* Armadillo makes the best point for an opt-in release | 09:25 |
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| pdanek | Strange feeling. | 09:36 |
| pdanek | I just gave my resignation at work now. | 09:36 |
| pdanek | It's good for me, but still it's an odd feeling, leaving a company after 5 years. | 09:36 |
| pdanek | I'm happy and sad at the same time. | 09:37 |
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| Stskeeps | so it goes | 09:39 |
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| r0kk3rz | pdanek: know them feels | 09:40 |
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| pcfe | pdanek: understandable. Hopefully they set you free for the remainder of your contract period, some of the nicer employers (and some of the really paranoid ones) do that. I'd picture the last weeks of work where one knows it's all pointlessto be worse than the feeling after handing in the letter | 09:40 |
| pdanek | Actually I decided to leave sooner than a new job is starting. | 09:41 |
| pdanek | To have some time off. | 09:41 |
| pdanek | So 1 month vacation! | 09:41 |
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| r0kk3rz | good move | 09:45 |
| r0kk3rz | always nice to have some time off | 09:45 |
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| pdanek | Once I left a job on Friday and started a new one, in different location, on Monday. | 09:50 |
| pdanek | So just 1 weekend off for relocation (moving to new city and flat). | 09:50 |
| pdanek | It was terrible | 09:50 |
| pdanek | so in hurry | 09:50 |
| pdanek | I was not performing well in the new job | 09:50 |
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| Ezko | does anyone use spotify on jolla? | 11:32 |
| Teme | wasn't there some sort of unofficial native client too ? | 11:33 |
| Teme | unofficial in the sense it was made by some engineers from spotify but not as spotify | 11:33 |
| Teme | https://openrepos.net/content/elleo/cutespotify | 11:34 |
| Ezko | yeah i found out something about that but just wanted opinions on if someone has something that definitely works | 11:34 |
| meklu | unofficial clients need a premium subscription | 11:35 |
| meklu | or w/e paid one you needed | 11:35 |
| Ezko | yeah i got it | 11:35 |
| r0kk3rz | Ezko: the android app works fine | 11:36 |
| TemeV | cutespotify works just fine for me | 11:36 |
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| r0kk3rz | but i dont really like spotify | 11:37 |
| Tomo | there, to avoid confusion with TemeV ;) | 11:37 |
| TemeV | though my usecase is quite simple, I just listen to playlists I've created earlier | 11:37 |
| TemeV | Tomo: thanks :) | 11:37 |
| Ezko | TemeV: yeah i don't make playlists on my mobile devices either so that's fine | 11:37 |
| Ezko | guess i'll try cutespotify | 11:38 |
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| Elleo | Ezko: you'll want this version of cutespotify for newer sailfish releases: https://openrepos.net/content/lukedirtwalker/cutespotify | 12:08 |
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| Ezko | Elleo: hmm, i think i installed an older version | 12:17 |
| Ezko | thanks | 12:17 |
| Ezko | how can i remove the old one before installing the new one? | 12:17 |
| Nicd- | from the app grid? | 12:17 |
| Ezko | oh it works just like that, thanks | 12:18 |
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| Mirv | update10's zram sounds very interesting | 12:55 |
| r0kk3rz | i didnt think they would roll zram in already | 12:56 |
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| Mirv | so Soumya says https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-November/005168.html | 12:58 |
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| r0kk3rz | good stuff | 13:02 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe the memory issues backed them into a bit of a corner though | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | corner? pfft, this is more like a grave | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:03 |
| r0kk3rz | sounds like you've been busy anyway Stskeeps | 13:03 |
| Pawky | Why does no phone, who all have light sensors have an option where the alarm turns of when a light goes on... | 13:04 |
| Pawky | ? | 13:04 |
| entil | I have an alarm clock with a built-in light to make it easier to wake up | 13:05 |
| Pawky | well.. same, but totally different... | 13:05 |
| entil | well, that's not the reason obviously :D but it's not useful for everyone | 13:05 |
| Pawky | I would say, its not usefull every time, but many times :-) | 13:05 |
| entil | so maybe no one thought of it | 13:06 |
| entil | yeah | 13:06 |
| entil | agree | 13:06 |
| entil | it would also have to ignore light coming through windows | 13:06 |
| Pawky | something like... alarm goes on, if A) big change lin light or B) pressing some button etc, then alarm of | 13:06 |
| entil | if it reacted on a strong enough change in luminance then it'd work even with my wake-up alarm | 13:06 |
| Pawky | :-) | 13:06 |
| Pawky | I just thougt about it this morning... | 13:07 |
| Tofe | Mirv: wow, I didn't know this kind of communication existed on the ML; I definitely need to subscribe then | 13:07 |
| Pawky | because sometimes I accidentally choose snooze, and then the phone rings again, for nothing when being up | 13:07 |
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| r0kk3rz | Mirv: interesting that the next focus is on supporting different screen resolutions | 13:10 |
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| tbr | r0kk3rz: there are many sailfish community ports to different resolutions, makes sense | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | and good platform hygiene anyway | 13:12 |
| tbr | r0kk3rz: also I'd expect their next device to have somewhat higher res, so starting this well in time prevents pain later on | 13:12 |
| r0kk3rz | oh its definitely important for the longevity of sailfish | 13:12 |
| r0kk3rz | but something that wont actually impact current jolla owners | 13:13 |
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| silver_hook | Which phones (apart from Jolla) does SailfishOS run on nicely? | 18:01 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | nexus 4 and 5 | 18:09 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | silver_hook, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 18:10 |
| silver_hook | Morpog_PC__: Thanks. | 18:10 |
| silver_hook | Does it run fine on the Nexus 4? | 18:10 |
| Morpog_PC__ | haven't tried myself, you could check xda-developers forum | 18:11 |
| Morpog_PC__ | lots of users there | 18:11 |
| Morpog_PC__ | you can even dual boot it with android | 18:11 |
| silver_hook | Morpog_PC__: Thanks :) | 18:11 |
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| mkollaro | does anybody know where I could find a list of theme images? (i.e. where can I get other icons like "image://theme/icon-cover-next" which is used in the example of a first jolla qt app) | 20:11 |
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| mkollaro | well, if anybody is interested, I found them in "/usr/share/themes/jolla-ambient/meegotouch/icons", though I'm sure there is some better way to get them | 20:22 |
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| silver_hook | mkollaro: I imagine user icons should therefore be in a folder similar to “~/.share/themes/jolla-ambient/………” | 20:24 |
| silver_hook | or “~/.local/share/themes/jolla-ambient/………” | 20:25 |
| silver_hook | I don’t have a Jolla to check (yet) though. | 20:25 |
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| mkollaro | I guess there should be some link in the home dir like you say, though I can't find it (/home/nemo/.gconf/desktop/jolla/theme seems to only contain gconf files) | 20:29 |
| mkollaro | silver_hook: you could install the sdk with an emulator ;) | 20:29 |
| silver_hook | mkollaro: Or try to get a phone ;) | 20:32 |
| mkollaro | silver_hook: what's stopping you? | 20:35 |
| silver_hook | € | 20:35 |
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| silver_hook | …and until yesterday, the fact that both my personal and work mobile phone were still working. | 20:36 |
| * silver_hook is now waiting if his employer approves buying a Jolla + TOHKBD ☺ | 20:36 | |
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| mkollaro | silver_hook: but you know that you can get a 100€ discount coupon until Monday, right? | 20:37 |
| silver_hook | mkollaro: Yes, but my employer doesn’t know that …and I told him that I get a 100 € discount if I also get a TOHKBD ;) | 20:38 |
| fennekki | but a 100€ discount + TOHKBD is only a little bit more than the standard price for a jolla? or did they run outta the 120€ ones too | 20:38 |
| mkollaro | what kind of employer buys you a phone anyway? :D | 20:38 |
| silver_hook | BTW, if by a freak chance you didn’t know: if you pre-order the (fully assembled) Keyboard other half [TOHKBD], Jolla gives you a 100 € discount if you buy a new phone. | 20:38 |
| silver_hook | mkollaro: The phone you need for work? That should be normal. | 20:39 |
| mkollaro | silver_hook: ah. I'm from a country where they'd give you some old brick in that case | 20:40 |
| fennekki | mkollaro: pretty much anyone that expects you to have a smartphone | 20:40 |
| silver_hook | fennekki: They haven’t yet, but the full pre-order price is 130 €, so still very good. And the TOHKBD coupon will be valid for longer AFAIK. | 20:41 |
| fennekki | Well! That sounds like it could even work. | 20:41 |
| silver_hook | mkollaro: Heh, let’s say that they did that to me the last two times, now I’m asking for fair treatment …can’t go around all serious looking and promote Free Software with a DumBrick™. | 20:42 |
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