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| pdanek | Why is Jolla so much cheaper in India? | 00:07 |
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| pdanek | Is it because of lower tax? | 00:07 |
| fennekki | could be, or maybe the shipping costs are lower, or something | 00:08 |
| ln- | because indians don't have as much money to spend on phones as europeans do. | 00:08 |
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| Eztran | Snapdeal are reselling it. I'd guess they've bought up loads, hence lower price to resell. | 00:10 |
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| pdanek | ln-: that would mean that basically Europeans pay for Indians, because if one is intentionally cheaper, the other, with higher margin, pays it off | 00:12 |
| pdanek | terrible idea | 00:12 |
| pdanek | Eztran: but so dramatically lower price? :O | 00:13 |
| Eztran | They buy loads, they likely get wholesale-equivalent price from Jolla, they sell at lower markup than Jolla do, because that's standard in India. Certainly a higher drop than I'd have expected, though. | 00:14 |
| ln- | pdanek: i haven't looked at other phone brands' prices, but i wouldn't fall off my chair out of surprise if other phones were also cheaper in india than in europe. | 00:14 |
| pdanek | In-: world is not nearly as globalized as it should be in 2014 | 00:15 |
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| Eztran | business is global only when that increases profit? | 00:15 |
| pdanek | I guess. | 00:16 |
| ln- | pdanek: i bet even within europe prices for the same product differ between countries, though maybe not for jolla. | 00:18 |
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| pdanek | yea, and why is it? taxes? how large batch the country can order? some certification fees? | 00:19 |
| pdanek | if it is because: "the country" can afford it, while other cannot, then it's like "fuck you" in customers face | 00:20 |
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| pdanek | ah, sorry for the f word | 00:20 |
| ln- | taxes, but also what people can afford to pay. and i'm not talking about only phones, but things like food. | 00:20 |
| pdanek | yea, I always don't understand how same Coca Cola can cost so differently across Europe | 00:22 |
| pdanek | it's not fair | 00:22 |
| ln- | maybe you should read some book or article about economics. (i can't recommend any, sorry) | 00:23 |
| pdanek | if companies cannot afford the "cheap" price across the world, or want higher margins in specific markets, it basically means that people pay for goods of other people | 00:24 |
| pdanek | for those who can't afford | 00:24 |
| pdanek | so everyone is actually charity | 00:24 |
| pdanek | interesting | 00:24 |
| pdanek | or no | 00:25 |
| ln- | well, yes, but it is not mandatory to buy coca cola. and the coca cola company is not a charity, they want your money. | 00:25 |
| pdanek | yea, but still | 00:25 |
| pdanek | why shops just don't buy Coca Cola in different country | 00:25 |
| w00t | they often do | 00:26 |
| pdanek | and sell for a lot more | 00:26 |
| pdanek | everyone wants money | 00:26 |
| pdanek | :( | 00:26 |
| pdanek | btw | 00:26 |
| pdanek | Iceland is country with highest consumption of Coke per capita | 00:26 |
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| jonwil | they must have a massive obesity problem then | 00:54 |
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| entil | we finns do that all the time with estonia | 06:16 |
| entil | and havin different prices for different customer groups is called picce discrimination | 06:17 |
| tbr | and the business side calls it: market segmentation | 06:18 |
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| entil | so I installed the younited client | 06:30 |
| entil | don't really know what to say... I guess continuous syncing requires at least alien dalvik, more likely also the younited app to run? | 06:30 |
| Nicd- | yeah you need to keep the app open afaik | 06:31 |
| Nicd- | it doesn't even find all of my pictures :D | 06:31 |
| Nicd- | guess I should restart dalvik | 06:31 |
| entil | my two cents on the whole topic is that someone screwed up and someone else remembered half-accidentally that there was a promised younited client, and someone hacked together support for accessing the gallery from alien dalvik, and that client's a panic solution | 06:32 |
| entil | anyone know if there's work being done on a native solution? | 06:33 |
| Nicd- | they did say better integration is coming | 06:33 |
| oku | entil: don't think so. They made their "promise" and then forget about it? | 06:33 |
| entil | what does that mean? between the android app or a real native client? | 06:33 |
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| entil | oku: forget, deprioritize, have to accept some difficulties - all that happens and gives essentially the same non-result | 06:34 |
| Stskeeps | everything is a weighing, does fixing crippling slowdowns have more priority than a service integration, etc.. | 06:34 |
| entil | yeah | 06:34 |
| oku | entil: yep | 06:34 |
| entil | so I'm happy to have even this | 06:34 |
| Stskeeps | that said, it could probably be better | 06:35 |
| entil | but if jolla or f-secure is working on a native client (if that's what "better integration" means) there's no use in even considering something open-source native | 06:35 |
| oku | I'm happy to have my own cloud storage not having to care about crappy third parties prioritizing :p | 06:35 |
| oku | And that one I can really rely on knowing the service won't stop some day without asking me ;) | 06:36 |
| entil | a native owncloud client exists for sailfish? | 06:36 |
| pp_ | well, f-secure's cloud team is strategic rightsizing ATM so a marginal platform may not be in their priorities :-) | 06:36 |
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| entil | hehe, I trust f-secure not to be hacked as fast as anything I host myself, also I don't have the hardware resources that f-secure has, so I'm not sure I'd trust anything of my own as much | 06:36 |
| oku | Don't know about that. I use just sshfs. Works with my laptop and jolla :) | 06:36 |
| entil | too haxor | 06:37 |
| entil | this is a phone, not slackware in 1998 | 06:37 |
| oku | it is a phone, but a powerful one, in means of software :) | 06:37 |
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| entil | pp_: the next question is then about whether or not the younited storage api is public enough for someone to open a new project, because based on what stskeeps said and the fact it launched through android, I doubt jolla has any incentive to push for a client | 06:38 |
| Stskeeps | nono, don't take anything i say as official here | 06:38 |
| entil | ok | 06:38 |
| entil | I can't find anything through google that would promise "better integration" with younited | 06:39 |
| oku | well younited is a quite new service | 06:39 |
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| entil | "Our next step is to integrate the client even closer into the Sailfish OS." http://blog.younited.com/2014/10/03/the-wait-is-over-younited-for-jolla-is-here/ | 06:41 |
| entil | googled a bit wrong | 06:41 |
| entil | meh | 06:41 |
| Nicd- | yay, restarting dalvik fixed younited | 06:41 |
| entil | if that means integrating the android client I don't know wtf to say or do :D | 06:41 |
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| Stskeeps | morn Sfiet_Konstantin | 06:42 |
| oku | don't expect too much so you won't be disappointed :) | 06:42 |
| Stskeeps | expectation management is probably one of the hardest ever things in this day and age | 06:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | morning Stskeeps | 06:42 |
| entil | "pessimisti ei pety" - "the pessimist does not get disappointed" | 06:42 |
| oku | entil: exactly | 06:43 |
| entil | it would appear that f-secure isn't particularly concerned about people reverse-engineering the web api; http://community.f-secure.com/t5/Using-younited/Is-there-an-API-for-younited/td-p/38697 | 06:43 |
| entil | unlike, say, whatsapp :D | 06:44 |
| entil | Stskeeps: does alien dalvik do gcm? | 06:45 |
| Stskeeps | what's gcm? | 06:46 |
| Stskeeps | sorry, not too deep into dalvik | 06:46 |
| entil | google cloud messaging | 06:46 |
| Stskeeps | that smells like google services, so not officially | 06:46 |
| entil | an eternally open socket that's used for http and/or xmpp | 06:46 |
| entil | but afaict there shouldn't be a technical reason not to support it | 06:47 |
| entil | because it's just marketing bollocks for "open socket" | 06:47 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 06:47 |
| Stskeeps | reminds me of something | 06:47 |
| entil | maybe it's provided by google play or something and just requires me to have an account | 06:47 |
| entil | I'm looking to replace whatsapp/mitakuuluu with textsecure, but that communicates over gcm and there's no one to test with :D That's why I'd like to know it's technically feasible first | 06:48 |
| entil | they have websocket support in their server so implementing a native client might be feasible in n to n+1 months | 06:48 |
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| Tegu | does anybody else have weird artifacts with some videos? for example, this actually seems to be a video instead of a gif (imgur's gifv which is renamed mp4) http://m.imgur.com/gallery/Qsy503m | 06:50 |
| _CvP_ | entil any news why ther block us? | 06:51 |
| Tegu | but I've seen it in some other videos, too | 06:51 |
| entil | _CvP_: the terms of service prohibit using a third-party client apparently.. I only figured they forbid reverse-engineering, but can't be arsed | 06:51 |
| entil | their business is privacy infringement and if they don't want my messages for free, they can just as well snoop someone else | 06:52 |
| entil | that's why textsecure (or maybe telegram) would be so interesting | 06:52 |
| _CvP_ | hmm | 06:52 |
| _CvP_ | but if i use the f**king android app, this will be work? | 06:53 |
| entil | "maybe" | 06:54 |
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| _CvP_ | .... but no thanks | 06:54 |
| entil | people have reported (see github issue) that if they install the android app, and send an email through it, they have been unblocked | 06:54 |
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| entil | with the warning that there will be no second chance if they're caught using mitakuuluu or another 3rd party ever again | 06:54 |
| _CvP_ | lol ok | 06:55 |
| entil | _CvP_: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/issues/278 | 06:56 |
| Tegu | just realized that I might take a screenshot of the artifacts as well: http://i.imgur.com/YFgwwQ1.jpg anyone seen similar? | 06:57 |
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| Tegu | those red/green/yellow tilted "shadows" | 06:58 |
| jonwil | How are they detecting 3rd party clients? | 06:59 |
| entil | jonwil: protocol changes | 06:59 |
| entil | people use the old protocol -> busted | 06:59 |
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| entil | anyway gtg -> | 06:59 |
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| _CvP_ | damn cant send a email because no email Client installed (android). you know the email adress from whatsapp? | 07:04 |
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| _CvP_ | ah i have it mailto:support@whatsapp.com | 07:07 |
| tbr | temporarily install K9? | 07:07 |
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| _CvP_ | nope dont need it anymore :) now i am waiting for the answer | 07:12 |
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| _CvP_ | this makes whatsapp but a piece unsympathetic. one more reason to change it :) | 07:16 |
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| Nicd- | Tegu: I have seen the similar when a video format was badly supported | 07:24 |
| * tbr is happy with XMPP as primary messaging protocol | 07:24 | |
| Nicd- | sometimes the whole video was played at a 60 degree angle like an old bad VHS | 07:24 |
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| Armadillo | tbr the problem is, that xmpp is experiencing the same user loss like irc I think :-/ | 07:25 |
| tbr | Armadillo: that's highly subjective. | 07:26 |
| Armadillo | that's right :) | 07:26 |
| oku | the sad part i that good technology isn't always the one that winss | 07:26 |
| oku | sometimes it is the one with better visibility, marketing and/or user experience | 07:27 |
| oku | then we end up using services like whatsapp | 07:28 |
| inz | or porn industry adoption ;) | 07:28 |
| Armadillo | well for Whatsapp it is the simplicity of the first account setup | 07:28 |
| oku | inz: yeah :D | 07:28 |
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| oku | Armadillo: yeah, it was the user experience part | 07:28 |
| Armadillo | ok :) | 07:28 |
| oku | sending a message is about the same in every messaging system, but setting it up differs | 07:28 |
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| oku | telling my mom to choose a nice xmpp client and then decide whether you'd like to host your own xmpp server because you won't trust the others or you can choose some service provider...blablabla | 07:29 |
| oku | That's what makes xmpp hard to adopt for masses | 07:30 |
| Armadillo | yep | 07:30 |
| oku | because I even don't bother checking all the available clients, why would my mom or random friend | 07:30 |
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| _CvP_ | xmpp is enough for me and my familie, but without groupe chat and file send/receive? a no go :( | 07:39 |
| ruskie | heh | 07:42 |
| ruskie | but xmpp has group chat | 07:42 |
| ruskie | and has file send/receive | 07:42 |
| _CvP_ | sure but not possible over sailfish internal xmpp client ;) | 07:43 |
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| entil | anything that's not installable through the store and works instantly is too haxor :P | 07:45 |
| ruskie | lol | 07:45 |
| entil | ask normal people, not people who irc on #jollamobile | 07:45 |
| entil | ;P | 07:45 |
| oku | Don't laugh. It's maybe not too haxor for us, but for the average Joe and most of our friends and relatives. | 07:46 |
| ruskie | heh seems my mom is perfectly happy with xmpp though | 07:46 |
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| oku | And that's where the big problem is. And knowing that someone's mom or girlfriend or granddad uses xmpp doesn't change that fact really. | 07:46 |
| _CvP_ | yes with android app ruskie | 07:46 |
| ruskie | nope | 07:46 |
| _CvP_ | but we sailors are not happy | 07:47 |
| ruskie | android, linux, web based | 07:47 |
| ruskie | hell hopefully she'll have a jolla in the next few months | 07:47 |
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| entil | man.. I'm not sure if I'm as excited about telegram as I am about textsecure, because textsecure is backed by business.. but telegram's api is public already now | 07:50 |
| entil | I think more people would be willing to use textsecure because of its backing | 07:51 |
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| _CvP_ | but not sailors ;) | 07:52 |
| entil | why's that? | 07:52 |
| _CvP_ | because android app | 07:52 |
| ruskie | I'll stick to running my own xmpp server and using xmpp hehe | 07:53 |
| entil | it's open-source so we know it's secure, and it's backed by a company so the likelyhood of the only relevant person giving up or whatever is pretty low - but if the company goes bust it's still opensource | 07:53 |
| entil | _CvP_: everything is android, because even unblocked mitakuuluu users will have to bite that giant shit sandwitch the next time a protocol change comes along and whatsapp inc is faster than coderus | 07:53 |
| entil | coderus should raise money to implement textsecure for jolla | 07:54 |
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| entil | telegram's server is not open source :( | 07:55 |
| entil | that's another reason to invest in textsecure | 07:56 |
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| _CvP_ | ruskie ... I stand behind you. i use my own xmpp server, too. But only write text is also stupid. I want no Android app running in the background | 07:58 |
| entil | I msg'd coderus asking him about what kind of money he'd need to be interested in textsecure ;P | 07:58 |
| entil | the mitakuuluu ui is great for this, and maybe some day there could be telepathy integration | 07:59 |
| _CvP_ | and xmpp :p | 07:59 |
| entil | xmpp is marginal haxor | 07:59 |
| entil | probably textsecure is as well, but it's easy to sell | 07:59 |
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| ruskie | _CvP_, hehe I don't even have the android support thingy on my jolla... I installed it and then wanted to install one android app and saw the this need permissons to access * and just... no... not going there... removed everything after that | 08:06 |
| entil | I really need to figure this gcm crap out at some point | 08:07 |
| entil | maybe someone at work would be willing to try out textsecure.. because sms integration doesn't exist for android - and if it did I'd hate it already - the communication has to be over something else | 08:08 |
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| lainwir3d | hello o/ | 08:30 |
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| entil | argh, the android younited client doesn't really handle moved files! slightly offtopic for this channel for sure | 08:38 |
| entil | but it left the pictures in the old location on younited.com and didn't preserve times for the new files | 08:38 |
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| mpthx | ruskie: yeah. xmpp. if only people would use it. i have like 10 other poeple in my contact list. the rest is using some closed source centralized crap, and they dont even know about jabber. :( | 09:33 |
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| ballock | mpthx: you mean like... facebook xmpp? or google xmpp? | 09:35 |
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| mpthx | ballock: facebook google xmpp doesnt work unless you made an account long time ago and didnt jump in to hangouts | 09:38 |
| tadzik | if only there was s2s | 09:38 |
| mpthx | ballock: i did not manage to talk to anyone on facebook. is that possible? | 09:39 |
| mpthx | and doesnt have s2s (google at least) | 09:39 |
| ballock | mpthx: I don't have a facebook account, so I can't say | 09:39 |
| mpthx | ballock: me neither. | 09:40 |
| ballock | but I believe the lack of s2s is common to both | 09:40 |
| mpthx | but is it possible to reach facebook people from external xmpp server? | 09:40 |
| ballock | mpthx: no | 09:40 |
| ballock | it's a walled garden | 09:40 |
| mpthx | :( | 09:40 |
| ballock | they simply ripped off the benefits of xmpp | 09:41 |
| ballock | and walled it | 09:41 |
| tadzik | hey | 09:41 |
| mpthx | and speaking of xmpp on jolla. why the priority doesn't work? i tried setting it up but it does not do anything. | 09:41 |
| tadzik | open source is not all punch and pie | 09:41 |
| tadzik | it's about being open with all the benefits and drawbacks | 09:41 |
| mpthx | ballock: it's very fucked up. as much as i dont want to get connected to facebook even from my xmpp server i know that bunch of poeple would move to decentralized aproach if they could maintain their contacts. i guess that was the reason google and facebook jailed their ims | 09:43 |
| tadzik | ya | 09:43 |
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| entil | imo the question of centralized/decentralized is less important than the question of privacy | 09:43 |
| tadzik | the lack of s2s is a *feature* of xmpp | 09:43 |
| tadzik | my company xmpp does the same | 09:44 |
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| mpthx | entil: i would say its evenly important. if you aren't locked to specific vendor you can choose any proviver or be your own (just like email) and privacy wise you can always use OTR or GPG for your conversations | 09:46 |
| entil | sure, if the clients over unencrypted protocols or untrusted providers support encryption | 09:47 |
| entil | that's why I like the idea of textsecure, the entire stack is open and it's also backed by a company (which probably won't go bankrupt anyway) | 09:48 |
| entil | so even if it went away, you can always set up a new server | 09:48 |
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| mpthx | entil: are the servers federated in textsecure? | 09:53 |
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| entil | huh? | 09:53 |
| entil | 7win 13 | 09:53 |
| entil | tbh I don't really care about how the server is set up as long as the comms are encrypted on the client side | 09:54 |
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| entil | the other fact being, then, that you can deal with your own servers, which makes that the superior product | 09:55 |
| entil | at least on paper, still need to try it out somehow :D | 09:55 |
| mpthx | entil: i meant if i host my own text secure server, can i send msgs to others on different server? | 09:55 |
| entil | mpthx: I'm not sure really, the websocket support does not seem to be merged in their master yet, current implementations use gcm and apns (or whatever apple's equivalent was again) so they may or may not be | 09:56 |
| entil | but the protocol supports encrypting sms and mms, the other platforms can integrate that into their messaging frameworks, so that's nice as well, tho unrelated ;P | 09:57 |
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| mpthx | entil: looks interesting. http://support.whispersystems.org/customer/portal/questions/6537925-compatibility-and-integration | 10:10 |
| entil | yes | 10:12 |
| entil | https://github.com/JavaJens/TextSecure/tree/feature-1000 there's the branch with websocket support, relevant for jolla | 10:13 |
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| entil | <3 http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/telegram-crypto-challenge/ | 10:27 |
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| pdanek | Why #jollatohkbd is closed? | 12:12 |
| pdanek | Ok, it's not. | 12:13 |
| pdanek | Some pidgin bug, or I don't know. | 12:13 |
| pdanek | now it works | 12:13 |
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| nander | Built-in webbrowser is in a crash-loop? | 13:47 |
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| entil | can't remember the story, but what was it with the browser using mozilla? the qt project killed off something, right? and then jolla went with mozilla because the replacement wasn't done yet? | 14:07 |
| pdanek1 | entil: Jolla went with Mozilla? | 14:07 |
| cb400f | as in gecko engine | 14:08 |
| pdanek1 | Yes. | 14:08 |
| pdanek1 | But there it ends. | 14:08 |
| * cb400f never had a single browser crash in 10 months of using the Jolla | 14:08 | |
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| Scelt | entil: the old qt based olny used by apple (safari) and new qt wasn't stable enough | 14:08 |
| pdanek1 | cb400f: lucky yoy | 14:08 |
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| cb400f | my only complaint is that I can't easily block ads, social network buttons, trackers, 3rd party cookies and other evilz of the interweb | 14:09 |
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| cb400f | on the N9 I had plenty browser issues though :-) | 14:10 |
| meklu | 8I've had plenty of browser crashes with my phone | 14:10 |
| meklu | -8 | 14:10 |
| meklu | but not really on a site, but rather when launching it | 14:10 |
| meklu | if you hit the tab showy thing too fast it sometimes dies | 14:11 |
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| SK_work | meklu: yes | 14:12 |
| entil | Scelt: sweet, that's the thing | 14:12 |
| SK_work | but "fixed" on 1.1.0.X expermiental update thingie | 14:12 |
| meklu | I've found it nice that certain android apps that use intents no longer launch your web browser right off the bat when you click a link-type thing in the application | 14:13 |
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| meklu | and just stay in the app itself | 14:14 |
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| CraigA | has anyone here ported Sailfish to the OnePlus yet? | 14:59 |
| CraigA | I'm getting mine today | 14:59 |
| Nicd- | there's someone working on it | 14:59 |
| Nicd- | vgrade IIRc | 14:59 |
| CraigA | merci | 14:59 |
| Nicd- | check here: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/porters | 15:00 |
| CraigA | thanks! | 15:00 |
| CraigA | I went to Japan for a couple weeks and just used a newly purchase ipod touch. after I got home, I rarely use my Jolla anymore. I cannot stand the keyboard :( | 15:01 |
| Nicd- | then maybe this is for you? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2028347278/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla ;) | 15:01 |
| CraigA | I was looking for the link. i saw it on twitter but they didn't have a link to the kickstarter page >:| | 15:02 |
| pdanek | CraigA: TOHKBD2 is a miracle! | 15:02 |
| pdanek | :D | 15:02 |
| CraigA | I was so upset when I moved from the N900 to the N9 | 15:02 |
| CraigA | mind you, at least the N9 has Swype to semi-suffice | 15:02 |
| CraigA | I really wanted the developer N950, for the keyboard alone | 15:03 |
| pdanek | CraigA: Many of us were, I still miss my N900, hopefully TOHKBD will finally allow me to forget. | 15:03 |
| tbr | N950 <3 | 15:03 |
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| pdanek | CraigA: So you're perfect candidate for pledging on TOHKBD. ;) | 15:04 |
| CraigA | definitely | 15:04 |
| CraigA | I'll pledge when my paycheque comes in | 15:05 |
| tbr | CraigA: they don't bill you until the funding date. (not sure if they put a reservation on the amount though) | 15:05 |
| ln- | i don't think your credit card will be charged for your pledge until december. | 15:06 |
| CraigA | I wish cs-fallback worked properly with my provider too. I have to manually switch to LTE when I want fast data, but cannot receive any calls, so have to switch back in order to send/receive calls | 15:06 |
| kimmoli | card will smoke when project gets funded 4th dec | 15:06 |
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| CraigA | my provider = Rogers Canada | 15:06 |
| tbr | CraigA: is that a known problem with your provider? if not get logs from ofono and forward to jolla | 15:06 |
| tbr | actually not just ofono, but also RIL | 15:07 |
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| pdanek | tbr: wait what? I may not have this credit card anymore in December | 15:07 |
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| tbr | pdanek: "oops" | 15:07 |
| pdanek | Since I'm moving out of my country, thus migrating the bank accounr. | 15:07 |
| pdanek | account* | 15:07 |
| tbr | pdanek: check with kickstarter, I'm sure they cover that topic in their general FAQ | 15:08 |
| ln- | pdanek: you can change payment method in kickstarter, assuming you have some credit card by then. | 15:08 |
| pdanek | yep | 15:08 |
| pdanek | I will, thanks. | 15:08 |
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| pdanek | Don't panic. | 15:08 |
| pdanek | :P | 15:08 |
| CraigA | tbr> i think others have had the same issue with my provider - not sure there is anything the devs can do | 15:09 |
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| tbr | CraigA: so it's not a jolla specific issue? | 15:10 |
| * tbr wonders why Rogers would ignore a general network issue that really annoys people | 15:11 | |
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| tbr | but then I think some finnish provider also had big issues with CS fallback when they went big on LTE | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: surprisingily many providers suck at that.. | 15:12 |
| tbr | *nod* | 15:12 |
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| CraigA | well, I'm not sure if it has to do with this | 15:16 |
| CraigA | Rogers supports the 2G and LTE band for the Jolla, but not the 3G bands | 15:16 |
| CraigA | I'm not sure of the specifics of the cs-fallback framework/protocol/standard, but maybe falling back form 4G to 2G may not be supported? | 15:17 |
| tbr | actually LTE→GSM is a common transition in case of phone call | 15:17 |
| tbr | depends on network config though | 15:17 |
| CraigA | then my theory is moot | 15:17 |
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| tbr | you could try complaining to rogers that CS fallback is not working for you, if you manage to reach someone technical, they might actually be able to do something | 15:18 |
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| Stskeeps | they might say they only support LTE->3G fallback though | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | which is the problem, i think | 15:18 |
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| CraigA | I haven't brought up the issue with Rogers because of the headache of dealing with their support. By the time I get to someone who actually knows what I'm talking about, they will just mention that the phone is not supported or some scapegoat reasoning they are known for | 15:19 |
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| CraigA | I think Stskeeps may be correct, but again, I'm not away of the underlying | 15:19 |
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| tbr | *nod* | 15:20 |
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| Stskeeps | we didn't field test in canada as we didn't expect anything above 3g to work anyway :P | 15:20 |
| CraigA | I don't blame you | 15:20 |
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| CraigA | the service area for LTE is extremely small for both Rogers and Bell for band 7 | 15:21 |
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| tbr | are they using it as city filler band? | 15:24 |
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| CraigA | if I am understanding you correctly, yes. They are using it to add additional bandwidth in major metropolis' | 15:32 |
| CraigA | but Rogers has also launched LTE-Advanced as of a couple weeks ago | 15:32 |
| CraigA | http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/rogers-lte-advanced-rolls-out-to-boost-video-streaming-1.2812287?cmp=rss | 15:32 |
| CraigA | which, technically, the OnePlus could support | 15:33 |
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| pdanek | Have you tasted Coke Life yet? | 16:32 |
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| cryorat | pdanek, yeah, it was awful.. i even had an intervention. :/ | 16:38 |
| FireFly | o.o | 16:38 |
| FireFly | I liked it | 16:38 |
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| pdanek | hm | 16:42 |
| pdanek | cryorat: FireFly: I don't really like Light or Zero, is Life anything similar to that? | 16:43 |
| pdanek | Taste-wise. | 16:43 |
| FireFly | I don't know, I haven't had light or zero in forever | 16:43 |
| FireFly | But I think I dislike those too, so I suppose not, maybe? | 16:44 |
| cryorat | pdanek, the light has a weird sweetener taste | 16:44 |
| cryorat | but never had zero | 16:45 |
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| * clau is checking if he's in the right channel. :) | 16:55 | |
| SK_work | clau: yes of course, you are on #coke-lover | 16:55 |
| SK_work | damn, this sounds so bad for so many reasons :( | 16:56 |
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| clau | :)) | 16:56 |
| samikshan | SK_work: :-P | 16:59 |
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| DrainBamaged | Guys, my provider tells me Jolla doesn't support MMS, are they bsing me or is this true? | 19:19 |
| tadzik | they are | 19:20 |
| tadzik | I have no problems with SMS on mine | 19:20 |
| tadzik | erm, MMS | 19:20 |
| Jope | it used to be true when the phone was launched, but mms support has been there for quite some time now | 19:21 |
| DrainBamaged | Thanks a lot | 19:22 |
| DrainBamaged | Batted it back into their court | 19:22 |
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| * DrainBamaged mutters some swear words | 19:22 | |
| DrainBamaged | Ok, transfer to a 'special team', I wonder if it's the SAS or something :-P | 19:25 |
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| DrainBamaged | Thank you again for your input, tadzik and Jope :-) | 19:27 |
| Jope | np | 19:27 |
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| coderus | peoples | 20:05 |
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| coderus | can you list sailors parties in helsinky in december? | 20:05 |
| coderus | i mean list dates of parties | 20:05 |
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| coderus | and if any chance to live in your house for several days | 20:15 |
| coderus | can pay for a rent | 20:15 |
| coderus | for using couch and kitchen :) | 20:15 |
| DrainBamaged | Guys... I can get an MMS through ok on my N9 with my SIM, but not from Jolla :( | 20:16 |
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| tadzik | your jolla seems misconfigured | 20:19 |
| DrainBamaged | Should I get assistance via the Helpdesk system? | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/38555/mms-issues-hints-for-debugging-and-helping-us-to-improve/ | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | what vendor? | 20:20 |
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| DrainBamaged | My provider? It's O2 in the UK | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | check comments on that page perhaps | 20:21 |
| DrainBamaged | Thank you, Stskeeps | 20:21 |
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| Ezko | hello | 23:17 |
| Ezko | does anyone use textsecure on their jolla? | 23:17 |
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| falfa | native or android version? | 23:21 |
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| Ezko | well native if there is one, i haven't found one yet :P | 23:23 |
| falfa | me neither :-) | 23:23 |
| Ezko | do you use the android one? | 23:23 |
| falfa | nope, i've avoided the android translation stuff | 23:23 |
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| falfa | but a jollaish TS would be really good | 23:24 |
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| Ezko | yeah | 23:24 |
| falfa | agreed | 23:24 |
| falfa | I guess a port would be hard | 23:24 |
| Ezko | android textsecure needs google play and i'm not sure i wanna commit that much on my first day :P | 23:25 |
| falfa | i suppose enough of the code is free? | 23:25 |
| Ezko | i've no idea | 23:25 |
| falfa | but TS these days use some central server, not sure how keen Moxie is to let others use that service? | 23:26 |
| Ezko | do you use mitakuuluu? | 23:28 |
| falfa | yes | 23:28 |
| Ezko | mine isn't letting me register for some reason | 23:29 |
| Ezko | oh | 23:29 |
| falfa | it solved some problems with the browser, but the contacts app got shaky | 23:29 |
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| Ezko | it did just now | 23:29 |
| falfa | its usable i guess, but a bit more shaky than the predecessor | 23:29 |
| falfa | but good enough for me | 23:29 |
| r0kk3rz | i think you need to remove account if you used the android whatsapp | 23:30 |
| r0kk3rz | then re register | 23:30 |
| Ezko | yeah | 23:31 |
| r0kk3rz | either way, if you're still having issues then coderus is your man | 23:31 |
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| Ezko | now i just need to import contacts | 23:31 |
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| Ezko | is there a way to do that easily? | 23:35 |
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| r0kk3rz | import contacts from what? | 23:40 |
| r0kk3rz | i imported mine from android via vcf file on the sdcard | 23:41 |
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| Ezko | r0kk3rz: umm, nothing :P | 23:46 |
| coderus | Ezko: i suggest you to install android whatsapp and import it account in mitakuuluu, not to register in mitakuuluu itself. | 23:46 |
| Ezko | yeah i got it now, thanks | 23:47 |
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| Ezko | contacts didn't import from phone contacts at first but now i got that and all | 23:48 |
| r0kk3rz | oh right, they werent showing up in mitakuuluu | 23:49 |
| r0kk3rz | i never had to do anything special for that | 23:49 |
| Ezko | yeah | 23:49 |
| r0kk3rz | i thought you meant getting your contacts from your old phone or something | 23:49 |
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| Ezko | does the native facebook message thing support group conversations? i'm not getting updates from a group i do like 99% of my facebook chatting in | 23:50 |
| Ezko | r0kk3rz: i did that with google account | 23:50 |
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| r0kk3rz | afaik the messages app doesnt do group chats yet | 23:51 |
| Ezko | :( | 23:52 |
| Ezko | guess i'm out of luck then | 23:52 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure whether the friends app helps or not | 23:52 |
| Ezko | doesn't seem to | 23:53 |
| Ezko | seems like it does everything else from facebook besides chat | 23:53 |
| r0kk3rz | looks like the fb xmpp server doesnt do group chat | 23:57 |
| r0kk3rz | so its not even something that jolla can fix | 23:57 |
| Ezko | yeah so basically to get it working facebook needs to make a jolla messenger? | 23:57 |
| r0kk3rz | you might be stuck with the fb messenger app | 23:57 |
| Ezko | hmmh, yeah | 23:58 |
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