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| nander | Working last.fm scrobbling :) | 00:23 |
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| dunp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qsGTXLnmKs#t=186 | 00:26 |
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| vesperNZ | hi | 04:12 |
| vesperNZ | has anyone had a problem when creating a custom ambience that when the phone is reset the ambience isn't saved? | 04:14 |
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| tbr | pawky|2: the wonderful world of contracts, even though probably from the same code, the driver was licensed to jolla as closed source and they then used this driver for certification. which pretty much means even though they hate it, they are stuck with it. | 05:24 |
| tbr | pawky|2: nothing prevents you or anyone else for that matter, to build the open source driver and use that. aside maybe from a questionable certification, but that's not a real stopper unless you start enabling things that violate certification. | 05:26 |
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| tbr | pawky|2: I personally don't know where the sources can be found. I only know they exist. Maybe Stskeeps knows and could point them out? Otherwise it's elbow grease and searching. | 05:29 |
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| Stskeeps | https://github.com/djselbeck/sailfishos_kernel_jolla_msm8930 afaik | 05:34 |
| Stskeeps | didn't test | 05:34 |
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| pp_ | wlan driver | 05:46 |
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| pp_ | ah, that one has it | 05:48 |
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| pp_ | coworker has needed that, will tell him (binary one won't load if you change some config_ flags, apparently) | 05:50 |
| Stskeeps | ymmv | 05:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 05:51 |
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| tbr | pp_: there are ways™ to make the binary one load, one might be to just force modprobe | 06:05 |
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| pp_ | yah, told him to try -f but dunno if he did :-) | 06:10 |
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| Pawky | tbr: I have found the sources, binary and config files, what I am pondering about is how to test it without totally bricking the phone. in the open source version there is 1 .bin file but looking upon the phone it has 3 under persist, which makes me a tiny bit confused... :-/ | 06:12 |
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| Pawky | tbr: I am searching google at best, but haven't yet found any suggestions on how to... | 06:14 |
| tbr | Pawky: it's unlikely to be necessary, but keep a backup and be prepared to factory reset through recovery. | 06:14 |
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| tbr | Pawky: to test it I'd actually compile against the current kernel and then just rmmod the closed module and modprobe the new one. | 06:15 |
| Pawky | tbr: thanks for all valuable input so far. Do you have any idea why there are naturally 3 bin files under /persist ? | 06:16 |
| tbr | worst case that can happen is that the kernel panics. more likely wifi fails to start for some reason | 06:16 |
| tbr | Pawky: I haven't looked at that, so I don't know which files you are speaking about. | 06:16 |
| Pawky | tbr: true... Wish I had it all set up for kernel compiling, but at the moment thats not the case... | 06:17 |
| tbr | there might be device specific calibration files or such | 06:17 |
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| tbr | Pawky: can't help you there, but it should be easy, e.g. take the SDK | 06:17 |
| Pawky | tbr: my hopes still lays in someone else already having done this :-) | 06:17 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: btw, U9 source drop at your convenience please | 06:17 |
| tbr | Pawky: now you're being lazy and you don't want to learn anything that could get you a job in the future? | 06:18 |
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| Pawky | tbr: ha ha... that is not true.... I am just avoiding expaning my project to also include kernel compilation as the only part I would like to get out of it is to clear one bit... and I do have a job already | 06:19 |
| Pawky | a few to be honest.. | 06:19 |
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| tbr | Pawky: ah, so you'd prefer to have others do your work for you, I see. | 06:21 |
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| Pawky | like perl, there is no point reinventing the wheel, if someone already have done this, it is far smarter to use this than doing it all again. | 06:21 |
| Pawky | tbr: you have a very synical way of looking upon things my friend... | 06:21 |
| Stskeeps | or realistic.. | 06:22 |
| tbr | realistic | 06:22 |
| * tbr high fives Stskeeps | 06:22 | |
| Pawky | Stskeeps: To have several people doing the same things will much more slow down any project and process making jolla competitive to other phones. | 06:22 |
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| Pawky | I am working with other things, and incorporating kernel compilation is doable, but will steal a lot of time IF SOMEONE ELSE already has done it. | 06:23 |
| tbr | Pawky: if there's one thing I've learned in the open source world, then it's that if you want to modify things and go into details, then asking for ready baked binaries is never going to work | 06:23 |
| Pawky | I am anot putting forward asking someone else TO DO IT, i am asking if its done. | 06:23 |
| tbr | Pawky: plenty of people have compiled the kernel for jolla, but probably none of them have done what you want | 06:23 |
| tbr | the sailfish sdk should make a simple kernel rebuild pretty trivial | 06:24 |
| Pawky | tbr: well, my experience, which probably outweights yours, if you didn't start in the early eighties beg to differ. | 06:24 |
| Pawky | Well, it might be so, but in my oppinion the very way to figure out if it has been done is by other means to also ask in here. | 06:25 |
| Pawky | Your ideology of letting every one having to do the same things as others is very counter productive. | 06:26 |
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| tbr | yes, and in the last few weeks nobody has said here that they did. By any stretch that's longer than figuring out how to do it | 06:27 |
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| tbr | I strongly disagree with your last statement | 06:27 |
| tbr | open source is a lot about people doing similar, often even exactly the same things | 06:27 |
| Pawky | tbr: and how many people have you tought computer science? | 06:27 |
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| tbr | Pawky: I don't see how this is related to this argument | 06:28 |
| Pawky | tbr: well, that sounds like sheer stupidity. I do hope the whole open source part is about sharing knowledge and achievements | 06:28 |
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| tbr | Pawky: you're increasingly going ad hominem. I'd recommend to avoid that. | 06:29 |
| Pawky | tbr: well, it is a bit of topic yes... | 06:30 |
| tbr | also to pick on your unrelated argument of teaching/learning CS. In that area it is usually mainly about people repeating individually what has been done before, just for the learning experience. | 06:30 |
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| Pawky | tbr: Well, as I see it, you achieve the greater good by letting people work on different parts of a project not all doing the same. Translated, I am working upon getting something else fixed, that leans on work of others | 06:32 |
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| tbr | yes, you're making a good point for my side of the argument. you want to work on the different part of wifi module, specifically that one bit. this builds on the kernel, the module, the sources. Building those is perpendicular to this point. | 06:35 |
| Pawky | tbr: I am just so tired upon this very idea, "if you want to learn you have to figure it out the very same hard way I did", it's been around since the 80's but seing much more productiveness, I and many others have abandoned this ancient ideology many years ago. To the contrary I believ everybody contributes in their own way, and this should be encouraged. | 06:35 |
| Pawky | tbr: No, I don't want to work on it, I just want a 1 to be 0 thats all, If I knew which byte I would have patched it in an instant. But as of today I don't | 06:36 |
| Pawky | My main project is in a different field, and hold back by the sheer stupidity of not being able to change what normally could be changed. | 06:36 |
| tbr | Pawky: I didn't tell you to write a compiler and your own kernel from scratch, did I? | 06:36 |
| Pawky | tbr: well, you are not that far of, when telling me to go recompiling the kernel, which I of course might have to do in the end, but I would rather have a check first to see if someone else already has done it before starting up this project with all its obstacles... | 06:37 |
| tbr | everything has a varying barrier of entry. it has been lowering across the board in open source. it will never reach zero though. There will always be a level of inconvenience with learning something new along the way. | 06:38 |
| tbr | Pawky: you implied that you know about CS teaching. likening those two things disqualifies you, pretty much. | 06:38 |
| tbr | if you would have started, you'd have probably been surprised how easy it was. probably you'd have results in less time that you've spent discussing it. | 06:39 |
| Pawky | tbr: well, history probably begs to differ, but then again, who am I to know how many people you have tought computer science... | 06:39 |
| tbr | that's the lowered barriers of entry I mentioned. | 06:39 |
| tbr | Pawky: you really like the "teach CS" argument, don't you? I find it rather unfitting. | 06:40 |
| Pawky | tbr: it might be easy, but its a different project, that might come with different obstacles. If all I need is a precompiled wlan driver, seeing if it already exists in its compiled state far outweighs your thoughts about learning ideology | 06:41 |
| tbr | ok, but enough of aimless discussion. I have some actual results to achive. Oh and I have a compiler and I'm not afraid to use it in the process! | 06:41 |
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| Pawky | tbr: Would I have one already prepared, I would compile it as well, that is not the case at the moment. It probably will be when I have time for it, unless someone with a precompiled driver suddenly steps forward... Maybe one day I will figure out why so many people have a condesending and sarcastic aproach to other people trying to achieve the greater good. | 06:43 |
| Pawky | tbr: Beyond this I am actually quite thankfull for your hints and suggestions so far, when it comes to finding a solution that is... :-) | 06:44 |
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| Pawky | tbr:so , no matter our slightly different ponit of views, thank you for your time and knowledge on the subject | 06:51 |
| tbr | you're welcome | 06:52 |
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| kimmoli | calling someone with knowledge about udev and ENV{SYSTEMD_USER_WANTS} ... | 07:57 |
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| norayr | hello, | 08:13 |
| norayr | this post (https://together.jolla.com/question/49612/android-networking-ptp-picture-transfer-protocol-canon-eos-remote/) says: "Some people managed to get it to on by reinstalling android support on wifi" | 08:13 |
| norayr | what does it mean "reinstall android support on wifi"? | 08:13 |
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| meklu | norayr: maybe this? uninstalling android support, turning on wifi, installing android support | 08:39 |
| meklu | seems pretty weird to be honest | 08:39 |
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| norayr | meklu: yeah, I have no other networking rather than wifi, so I assume it's not that. | 08:55 |
| norayr | I have also tried script which makes changes in sqllight settings but it didn't help. | 08:55 |
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| meklu | probably not that then | 08:57 |
| meklu | I don't have any suitable hardware to try any of that out myself :< | 08:58 |
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| GreatEmerald | stephg: Aha, the non-standard sample rate bug has already been reported: https://together.jolla.com/question/30533/mediaplayer-fails-with-low-samplerates/ | 11:15 |
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| Pawky | tbr: Beyond this I am actually quite norayr: I believe your problem is the same as the very one I am trying to solve | 11:19 |
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| Pawky | tbr: sorry... bad pasting ;-) | 11:19 |
| Tegu | GreatEmerald: I've also noticed it. playing the file in the default browser works, though. but it's not as convenient | 11:19 |
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| Pawky | norayr: The very reason to this is probabaly due to your app is using multicast to identify your peripherals, but as multicasting is turned of in the wlan driver you will be out of luck. Reinstalling Android will not fix it.. | 11:20 |
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| norayr | pawky: cool. | 11:22 |
| Pawky | norayr: yes....and no... :-/ | 11:22 |
| norayr | pawky: have you seen this? https://together.jolla.com/question/51695/bug-android-apps-connection-problems-with-wlan/#post-id-53791 | 11:23 |
| norayr | but it didn't work for me. | 11:23 |
| Pawky | norayr: am I assuming correctly you cannot get a specific program to communicate with your program, or you cannot use wifi at all in the android environment? | 11:24 |
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| norayr | no I can use wifi, I mean firefox connects to network, but EOS Remote software does not see my canon 6d via wifi. | 11:25 |
| norayr | I have no idea how it tries to connect. | 11:25 |
| Pawky | norayr: Then the last link you sant makes no difference... | 11:25 |
| stephg | GreatEmerald oh cool | 11:26 |
| norayr | okay, pity. | 11:26 |
| Pawky | there is a theoretical way to actually change the setting for Multicast and Broadcast messages sent and received through the WIFI, but it is (stupidly) hard coded in disabled state in the driver | 11:26 |
| norayr | Sailfish driver? | 11:27 |
| norayr | okay. | 11:27 |
| Pawky | listening in on your wlan driver with tcpdump will clearly show you are receiving multicast ssdp signals, but thats it.. | 11:27 |
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| Pawky | doing a "iwpriv wlan0" you willl find setMCBCFilter 1, if this one would have been 0 it will all work. | 11:28 |
| norayr | then I need to try to connect to my camera when the camera is not access point, but both devices are connected to some access point. | 11:28 |
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| Pawky | this is the very thing I have bin bitching about with tbr earlier this morning, and the only solution as of speaking will be to recompile the wlan driver | 11:28 |
| norayr | which source is not available I assume? | 11:29 |
| Pawky | norayr: no... its not about your camera being an AP. | 11:29 |
| norayr | Indeed. It still needs broadcast requests to identify the camera. | 11:29 |
| Pawky | the idea is,beyond your camera beinb an AP, on this little happy wifi net, you will be able to find other peripherals as well, and this is done using ssdp | 11:29 |
| Pawky | (multicast) | 11:30 |
| norayr | I see. | 11:30 |
| Pawky | and probably broadcast.. | 11:30 |
| Pawky | I have writtne perl scripts that will communicat with a device regardless of the multicast stuff. | 11:31 |
| norayr | which device do you use? | 11:31 |
| Pawky | but its just for pure testing purposes in a shell environment. | 11:31 |
| Pawky | well, I am using a Sony DSC-QX10, but I believe your brand probably use the same way to communicate. | 11:32 |
| Pawky | so, what I do to at least play around a bit with the unit using perl, is to manually connect to the device creating a wlan connection. | 11:32 |
| norayr | it's interesting to me, which protocol it uses on application layer. | 11:32 |
| Pawky | http | 11:33 |
| Pawky | :-) | 11:33 |
| Pawky | json :-D | 11:33 |
| norayr | is it documented or you found it out? | 11:33 |
| Pawky | very simple to communicate with the device. | 11:33 |
| Pawky | yes.. | 11:33 |
| Pawky | its documented | 11:33 |
| Pawky | search SonyAPI | 11:33 |
| norayr | okay, I am searching canon api (: | 11:34 |
| Pawky | it will be there for sure. | 11:34 |
| Pawky | so, if you set it up manually (the wifi) the unit will certainly work as a DHCP server giving you an IP. | 11:34 |
| Pawky | from there you just communicat using curl or wget in shell | 11:35 |
| Pawky | quite fun to be honest.. | 11:35 |
| norayr | (: | 11:35 |
| Pawky | You will enter deep water though, when wanting to view a live preview feed. When it comes to Sony, it uses a stream of JPEG pictures without any container. | 11:36 |
| Pawky | mplayer could happily view this but I haven't gotten gstreamer to do this on the phone as of yet. | 11:36 |
| norayr | I just need to transfer photos actually, without having to reboot the phone and insert sd card. | 11:36 |
| Pawky | Instead of reinventing the wheel though, I am at the moment trying to make the very MCBCFilter flag actually work. | 11:36 |
| Pawky | then we can use android software at first to at least play around a bit | 11:37 |
| norayr | That would be cool. | 11:37 |
| Pawky | hmm... that sounds like a quite simple perl script for your phone. | 11:37 |
| Tegu | whyy, oh whyy the SD card slot is behind the battery ;_; | 11:37 |
| Pawky | ad to it that shell cmd software to run scripts from gui and your home safe :-D | 11:37 |
| norayr | (: | 11:38 |
| Pawky | yes, but as of speaking I will have to recompile the whole damn kernel, and i haven't even any environment set up for this as of speaking. | 11:38 |
| Nicd- | Tegu: on what device? | 11:38 |
| Pawky | if however we could find someone who already compiled it, then we could just replace the wlan driver... | 11:38 |
| pdanek | guys, just 20 minutes left! | 11:40 |
| pdanek | you should be hitting F5 by now already | 11:40 |
| Tegu | Nicd-: eeh, jolla, but forgot that it actually isn't :D just remembered so because of the mentioned reboot and sdcard. nevermind | 11:41 |
| Nicd- | pdanek: for what? | 11:41 |
| Tegu | pdanek: ? | 11:41 |
| stephg | ^^ this | 11:41 |
| Tegu | ~~~~~~~~~ | 11:41 |
| pdanek | Nicd: TOHKBD on Kickstarter :D | 11:41 |
| Pawky | norayr: there are some binaries found here https://www.codeaurora.org/projects/all-active-projects/msm-wlan | 11:41 |
| Nicd- | url? | 11:41 |
| stephg | aha | 11:41 |
| Pawky | norayr: and the source seems to be there, but implementing it in the current jolla version might be a bit of a challenge. | 11:41 |
| Nicd- | pdanek: source? | 11:42 |
| Nicd- | ahh apparently http://funkyotherhalf.com/ | 11:42 |
| Nicd- | there's a countdown | 11:42 |
| Pawky | norayr: http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/standard_display/sdk_homepage | 11:43 |
| fennekki | hmmm | 11:43 |
| fennekki | I kinda want a tohkbd | 11:43 |
| fennekki | but I don't have money | 11:43 |
| fennekki | oh well | 11:43 |
| Jope | it looks exciting, but I want to see the product before I pay that much money :-) | 11:43 |
| fennekki | I guess I'll survive | 11:43 |
| Tegu | on that canon page: "Additional Notes on this release \n 1.1 Built-in Wi-Fi transmitter of EOS 6D is not supported." | 11:44 |
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| Pawky | Tegu: meaning? | 11:46 |
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| Pawky | I believe its probably a quite simple task to just use tcpdump on a unit connected to your camera with a working app and figure out what to send/receive... | 11:49 |
| Tegu | Pawky: well, just assumed that the built-in wifi was used when 6D was mentioned. so dunno, I'll be quiet for now :D | 11:49 |
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| Pawky | Tegu: well, i do hope his camera does have wifi, or the whole discussion is a bit poinless... ;-) | 11:51 |
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| norayr | pawky: may be you need to create a ticket or request to jolla so that in some update of the os image it'll be fixed. | 11:57 |
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| Pawky | norayr: no, they have signed some agreement somewhere limiting them to do anything with the current driver | 11:58 |
| * stephg has his card at the ready | 11:59 | |
| Pawky | so, if you take a look under /persistent you will find some config file where you theoretically could change this filter option, but the driver ignors this part... :-( | 12:00 |
| Nicd- | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2028347278/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla | 12:00 |
| Nicd- | it's alive | 12:00 |
| pdanek | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | 12:00 |
| Sail0r | hmpf cc onl | 12:02 |
| Sail0r | y | 12:02 |
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| stephg | pledged | 12:03 |
| cb400f | pledgers went from 19 -> 26 in about two minutes ;-) | 12:04 |
| pdanek | wait | 12:04 |
| pdanek | so I can buy 100 EUR one | 12:04 |
| stephg | if you hurry | 12:04 |
| pdanek | and get signature edication in custom colors because I bought rev1? | 12:04 |
| Sail0r | nope | 12:04 |
| pdanek | and how? | 12:04 |
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| pdanek | TOHKBD-rev1 ownersIf you bought a TOHKBD rev1 straight from Dirk (not second hand), you are a hero and the success of this and other projects is for a large part thanks to you! Your faith and support will not go unnoticed! If you order a TOHKBD2 now, you will additionally get a SolarTOH (colour of your choosing), a BreadboardTOH kit or a free upgrade to Signature Edition! | 12:05 |
| Sail0r | you must buy signature edition to get signature edition | 12:05 |
| Sail0r | ah cool | 12:05 |
| Nicd- | oooh the amount of backers is rising | 12:05 |
| Sail0r | did not read that | 12:05 |
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| pdanek | You are now an official backer of TOHKBD — The Other Half Keyboard for your Jolla. Time to tell the world about it! | 12:07 |
| pdanek | amazing | 12:07 |
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| pdanek | I'm gonna inform #blackberry | 12:08 |
| VDVsx | LOL | 12:09 |
| Nicd- | 10 % already backed | 12:09 |
| Jope | nice | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | 6,2k | 12:09 |
| pdanek | This is like when Jolla was announced. | 12:10 |
| pdanek | :D | 12:10 |
| pp_ | Maybe I'll wait to see if they osbourne their product at slush, and then order :-) | 12:11 |
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| pdanek | Slush is when? | 12:17 |
| pdanek | the kickstarter campaign is 29 more days | 12:18 |
| pdanek | I guess after this period, Dirkvl will start ordering pieces and there won't be a chance to additionally order anymore | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | 9,768 | 12:18 |
| stephg | F5! F5! | 12:19 |
| Jope | going up.. cool stuff | 12:20 |
| pdanek | Almost 20% pledged. | 12:20 |
| pdanek | But the initial wave is gone, not it will be harder. | 12:21 |
| pdanek | now* | 12:21 |
| pdanek | Now the word needs to spread. :D | 12:21 |
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| pp_ | 18-19th of this month | 12:25 |
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| pdanek | oh | 12:27 |
| pdanek | it all makes sense | 12:27 |
| pdanek | this Jolla voucher campaign was extneded by 10th because of TOHKBD, don't you think? | 12:27 |
| pdanek | because clearly, TOHKBD is reason why some people will finally purchase Jolla | 12:28 |
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| GreatEmerald | Huh, apparently there's also a solar panel for a TOH, that's a cool idea | 12:30 |
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| GreatEmerald | Hm, so systemd-analyze blame is telling me that it takes 16 seconds for mount-sd@mmcblk1. That's a lot of time to mount an SD card... | 12:38 |
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| Milo- | "To every backer that orders a fully assembled TOHKBD, Jolla gives a 100E discount coupon!" I wonder if these vouchers will stack :) | 12:38 |
| stephg | Milo-: ha | 12:40 |
| Nicd- | hmm... so that means it's a free keyboard | 12:40 |
| Nicd- | nice! | 12:40 |
| pdanek | coupons from current campaign are not so hard to get | 12:41 |
| pdanek | so not exactly free keyboard | 12:41 |
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| GreatEmerald | Milo-: Doesn't the current campaign end this week? The kickstarter ends in a month | 12:41 |
| KotH | greetings earthlings! i bring popcorn and chocolate! | 12:41 |
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| flux | greatemerald, and hopefully the vouchers are valid at least till the keyboards are shipped | 12:43 |
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| Tegu | 30% breached | 12:45 |
| tbr | Pawky: I'm not sure what your point is. The problem at hand is, that the driver can't be made to do what you want at run time (from what you say), but there might be a way to modify it to do what you want. The established way in the open source community is, if nobody else has tackled it yet, to simply do it. If necessary with the help of others in the community. | 12:45 |
| GreatEmerald | And also you probably won't get an extra TOH from the kickstarter vouchers | 12:45 |
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| GreatEmerald | Hm, there's no man and less in the default repositories? | 12:48 |
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| stephg | GreatEmerald: no | 12:50 |
| stephg | no man anywhere I believe | 12:50 |
| stephg | less is in mer-tools: ssu ar mer-tools && ssu ur && pkcon refresh && pkcon install less | 12:50 |
| GreatEmerald | OK | 12:51 |
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| GreatEmerald | I don't suppose there's any man page for ssu itself anywhere? | 12:55 |
| stephg | http://wiki.maemo.org/Seamless_Software_Update ? | 12:55 |
| stephg | not particularly helpful | 12:56 |
| stephg | https://github.com/nemomobile/ssu probably more useful | 12:56 |
| Jope | not useful at all for jolla | 12:56 |
| Jope | yes | 12:56 |
| Jope | the nemo one is more useful | 12:56 |
| sledges | just backed yoohoo!! Know at least two crazy hwkbd fans who are now drooling over (the not yet existing) keyboard:))) | 12:57 |
| stephg | it would be very cool if the keyboard could get to 50% in the first hour | 12:57 |
| stephg | but it's just going to miss it by the looks of it :( | 12:57 |
| Jope | almost 20k is not too shabby imo :-) | 12:59 |
| stephg | hehe absolutely yes it's great, I just like round numbers ;) | 12:59 |
| stephg | 20s to get over 20k! | 12:59 |
| Tegu | 20k broken | 13:00 |
| Jope | bam | 13:00 |
| Jope | 20,244 | 13:00 |
| stephg | hehe | 13:00 |
| sledges | kickstarter.com should have a rock solid DDoS protection | 13:01 |
| sledges | :) | 13:01 |
| Tegu | I guess there are far heavier projects than this | 13:01 |
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| Tegu | heavier to the servers, that is | 13:02 |
| sledges | is what i meant as well | 13:02 |
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| Jope | yes | 13:02 |
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| pp_ | supermega early birds are gone :( | 13:04 |
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| GreatEmerald | sledges: More like a ton of servers | 13:06 |
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| r0kk3rz | they probably run through cloudfire or something | 13:09 |
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| sledges | yeap | 13:13 |
| GreatEmerald | Speaking of keyboards, is it possible to connect a USB keyboard via the micro USB slot? | 13:13 |
| Nicd- | GreatEmerald: no, there's no USB host mode | 13:13 |
| tbr | GreatEmerald: if someone gets around to beat the kernel into submission | 13:13 |
| tbr | device supports simple host mode, but the kernel needs lots of love | 13:14 |
| GreatEmerald | What sort? Enabling certain options, or something more? | 13:16 |
| pdanek | Bluetooth keyboard should work, right? | 13:17 |
| Tegu | it does, I've tried. the support came in some update | 13:18 |
| dr_gogeta86 | hi tbr | 13:18 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | iekku, | 13:19 |
| tbr | GreatEmerald: the kernel has a full fledged USB-OTG driver, but as neither ID pin nor VBUS out seem to be possible, it won't work as such. it needs to be lobotomized to just flip into host mode after being poked through sysfs | 13:21 |
| iekku | dr_gogeta86, ahoy? | 13:21 |
| dr_gogeta86 | anyone knows if digitizer crack require complete lcd replace ? | 13:21 |
| dr_gogeta86 | still works | 13:21 |
| iekku | dr_gogeta86, i don't know, but i will ask | 13:22 |
| dr_gogeta86 | tnx | 13:22 |
| tbr | GreatEmerald: another thing is bring-your-own-5V, but that's easy | 13:26 |
| Pawky | tbr: I am not sure what part of my writings seems pointless. I have only pointed out the current limits of the wlan driver currently ignores the config parameters. It's not that it cannot do it, uts just commented out in the source code. This due to some licensing agreements. I know that if no one else has fixed it, do it yourself, and when having the possibility knowledge and time I will. | 13:26 |
| Pawky | My hopes still lay in others having compiled it already, if so I can continue on my path getting Sony peripherals to work for Jolla. | 13:27 |
| GreatEmerald | tbr: Hm, why isn't it possible to use the ID pin? | 13:28 |
| tbr | GreatEmerald: because it's physically not connected | 13:28 |
| GreatEmerald | Ah, I see. | 13:29 |
| tbr | same for the charge pump apparently | 13:29 |
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| Pawky | GreatEmerald: Why not use a bluetooth keyboard, like I do? :-) | 13:29 |
| Tegu | I wonder why it's not | 13:29 |
| iekku | dr_gogeta86, it seems that answer is yes :/ | 13:30 |
| iekku | dr_gogeta86, not available separately | 13:30 |
| tbr | Tegu: IIRC board design constraints. board was crammed and getting stuff routed around not possible | 13:30 |
| dr_gogeta86 | how much another new jolla with discount code ? | 13:30 |
| Tegu | tbr: ah, okay. pity :/ | 13:31 |
| KotH | tbr: i should have taken one of those accelerometer dataloggers with me to ELCE. there you chould have seen a cramped board :) | 13:31 |
| GreatEmerald | Pawky: Well, I'm fairly fine with the on-sceen one. This was just a question my friend asked me :) | 13:32 |
| tbr | KotH: :) | 13:32 |
| Pawky | Has nobody ever thought about smacking two jollas together back to back and interconnect them somehow? :-) | 13:33 |
| Pawky | would be kind of cool... | 13:33 |
| Tegu | sounds like tamagotchi | 13:33 |
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| iekku | dr_gogeta86, 249 | 13:33 |
| dr_gogeta86 | for replace lcd ? | 13:33 |
| meklu | just get a few devices and set up distcc on them and then start cross-compiling gentoo for power | 13:34 |
| meklu | sounds about as useful :) | 13:34 |
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| iekku | dr_gogeta86, new jolla with discount. no idea about lcd price | 13:36 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | iekku, tnx alot <3 | 13:39 |
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| iekku | dr_gogeta86, :) | 13:39 |
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| GreatEmerald | Hah, kickraq says the trend for tohkbd is 1148% of the goal (and it still has only the old $20000 data) | 13:43 |
| meklu | I somehow doubt it'll get quite half a million | 13:44 |
| meklu | but that would be fairly cool to witness nonetheless | 13:44 |
| SK_work | yep | 13:44 |
| r0kk3rz | poor dirk | 13:44 |
| SK_work | I do think that they don't have enough data to do projection | 13:45 |
| r0kk3rz | half funded on the first day is a good sign though | 13:45 |
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| pdanek | That trend is not applicable, because Jolla and things around it are very community dependent and most of people who wants TOHKBD will buy in first 1-2 days. | 13:45 |
| pdanek | Unless some miracle happens, we can expect very slow raise later on. | 13:46 |
| SK_work | pdanek: well, trand should take care of tbhis | 13:46 |
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| SK_work | most (if not all) ks projects basically get funded at the first and last days | 13:46 |
| pp_ | blah, ok, I'm getting a keyboard too! | 13:46 |
| SK_work | I remember some analysis I did for Ubuntu's Edge | 13:47 |
| pdanek | Yes, but TOHKBD requires you to own Jolla. | 13:47 |
| r0kk3rz | or to buy one | 13:47 |
| r0kk3rz | or maybe you want an i2c keyboard for some kind of other project? | 13:48 |
| clau | is there a list of TOH's developed by third parties somewhere? | 13:52 |
| clau | I just want to show the possibilities to someone | 13:52 |
| pdanek | clau: I guess you have to fetch it from talk.maemo.org | 13:52 |
| pdanek | http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=59 | 13:53 |
| r0kk3rz | clau: possibillities are easy, search for i2c on sparkfun | 13:54 |
| r0kk3rz | theres a whole bunch of sensors and things which you can wire up | 13:54 |
| clau | I know, but I want to show things that were already done | 13:54 |
| clau | and thanks | 13:55 |
| r0kk3rz | theres not much thats already done | 13:55 |
| r0kk3rz | probably funkyotherhalf is the best place to send them | 13:55 |
| r0kk3rz | http://funkyotherhalf.com/?page_id=9 | 13:56 |
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| Tegu | 50% | 13:57 |
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| GreatEmerald | With how many things people come up with over i2c, I wonder what would happen if TOHs also had USB or such | 14:00 |
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| GreatEmerald | Would be interesting if that was the case for a Jolla 2 | 14:01 |
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| r0kk3rz | i2c is good enough for most things where bandwidth isnt required | 14:01 |
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| meklu | USB seems like it could be quite finicky | 14:04 |
| r0kk3rz | not to mention that usb isnt really useful for the same kinds of things that i2c is | 14:06 |
| r0kk3rz | and vice versa | 14:06 |
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| sledges | nearly 30K ohmy :) | 14:11 |
| lainwir3d | still, a high speed bus would be nice. | 14:11 |
| lainwir3d | I can already imagine an awesome camera otherhalf... :-) | 14:12 |
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| clau | you can, presumably, build a vertically bigger TOH and connect it to usb | 14:17 |
| clau | integrate a usb hub too, and provide your own usb connector from the TOH | 14:17 |
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| tbr | while you're at it wedge in a battery, you'll need it | 14:19 |
| flux | well that would be quite useless, given the low performance of i2c | 14:19 |
| flux | but if USB is overkill, a faster SPI connection would be nice. | 14:19 |
| clau | would it be possible to use the sdcard interface? | 14:20 |
| flux | it might be possible that it supports SDIO. but then you would lose the external storage, or you would need to reimplement it. | 14:21 |
| stephg | clau: eww imagine having to plug it in... | 14:21 |
| clau | :D | 14:21 |
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| flux | usb could be useful for some applications though, in particular integrating existing hardware with onboard usb chips. | 14:26 |
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| flux | like cameras, microphones, speakers, .. | 14:26 |
| flux | they would even have existing drivers. I don't think there is a standard for SPI-driven codecs. | 14:27 |
| r0kk3rz | would be nice if they had usb otg support for the next phone | 14:27 |
| nander | 31 000 | 14:28 |
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| flux | seems to be slowing down, though? | 14:28 |
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| r0kk3rz | which is to be expected | 14:29 |
| Teme | anyone have an up-to-date guide for installing google play services on Jolla? http://www.jollatides.com/2014/04/03/updated-installing-google-play-on-jolla/ this one is from April | 14:30 |
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| r0kk3rz | Teme it still works though | 14:31 |
| Teme | actually there are comments from October that they got it working.. but a lot before stating it doesn't work | 14:31 |
| Teme | r0kk3rz: ok, maybe i'll give it a shot | 14:32 |
| Teme | Google Inbox needs them | 14:32 |
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| clau | did anyone get google push notifications on jolla? | 14:34 |
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| Sail0r | when you install google services | 14:39 |
| Sail0r | it seems to work sometimes | 14:40 |
| kimmoli | for me google-talk works just fine without google-play-services-whatever (in the stock integration) only files/photos missing | 14:40 |
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| lainwir3d | http://www.kicktraq.com/ | 14:50 |
| lainwir3d | tohkbd is in the top ten... and is even first | 14:51 |
| flux | kicktraq should poll new projects more often ;) | 14:51 |
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| nander | 34 000 :) | 14:55 |
| nander | Going well :) | 14:55 |
| nander | Makes me wonder, how many people bought it thinking it would be generic | 14:55 |
| clau | what's the meaning of that number? | 14:55 |
| nander | Keyboard other half kickstarter | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | clau: eur | 14:55 |
| nander | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2028347278/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla | 14:55 |
| oku | nander: Well isn't that's their own fault then for not reading the text then? | 14:55 |
| flux | nander, "for my jolla? must mean my cell phone." | 14:55 |
| SK_work | there is someone asking in comments saying: can it work with HTC M8 ? | 14:56 |
| SK_work | so ... | 14:56 |
| flux | reminds me of the legendary? ebay sales of "xbox, box only" | 14:56 |
| oku | nander: I really doubt very many people are that stupid there. :) | 14:56 |
| nander | You're naive, which is a good thing in this case ;) | 14:56 |
| nander | Thought experiment: try to imagine a person of average IQ | 14:57 |
| nander | About half of all people are even more stupid... | 14:57 |
| oku | yeah, but I don't think all the average Joes are out there on kickstarter pledging everything | 14:57 |
| SK_work | nander: not true | 14:57 |
| SK_work | nander: let's consider people having the average IQ | 14:58 |
| oku | They're at the local pub telling that government sucks and how they hate their boss ;) | 14:58 |
| SK_work | since it is the middle of the gaussian curve, there might be a lot of people having this IQ | 14:58 |
| SK_work | and only a few % far below and far above | 14:58 |
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| nander | I saw it as a real number, not a discrete number | 14:59 |
| sledges | PSA: sailfishos community meeting @ #mer-meeting . agenda: https://together.jolla.com/question/54157/sailfishos-open-source-collaboration-meeting-planning/ | 14:59 |
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| TMavica | someone made a native instagram client | 15:01 |
| SK_work | TMavica: source ? | 15:01 |
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| TMavica | you mean source code? | 15:13 |
| TMavica | https://openrepos.net/content/forgrimm/sailgrande | 15:14 |
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| tango_ | ok, possibly stupid question: the gift vouchers for the 100€ rebate on the jolla, can I pass it over to a friend of mine that is looking to buy a jolla? | 15:40 |
| tango_ | or is it for me and just me if I want a second jolla? | 15:40 |
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| matrixx | tango_: it's for everyone :) | 15:41 |
| matrixx | tango_: it can be used multiple times | 15:41 |
| Nicd- | yeah, shout it on the streets! :) | 15:41 |
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| tango_ | matrixx: seriously? | 15:42 |
| tango_ | matrixx: intredasting | 15:42 |
| matrixx | tango_: seriously | 15:43 |
| tango_ | so I can just, say, post on /r/jolla and say "hey, you want one, use this rebate code" ? | 15:43 |
| * tango_ was going for something more discreet, just telling a couple of friends | 15:43 | |
| matrixx | tango_: sure, I've spread mine on twitter, facebook, G+ etc | 15:44 |
| SK_work | TMavica: so no upload ... | 15:44 |
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| matrixx | they even promise a small surprise to the people whose codes are used most times | 15:44 |
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| TMavica | SK_work: seem api not support? | 15:52 |
| SK_work | TMavica: reverse engineer and all those haxxor stuff | 15:52 |
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| sledges | 40k! | 16:01 |
| leinir | ok... if this keeps up, it's going to be something like the fastest kickstarter ever ;) | 16:03 |
| cb400f | is there a maximum? | 16:04 |
| cb400f | those guys might end up needing to assemble several thousand keyboards by april ;-) | 16:05 |
| SK_work | leinir: not the fastest | 16:05 |
| SK_work | but quite a fast one | 16:05 |
| Asimov | Lol I was looking at the same thing sledges | 16:05 |
| SK_work | the fastest is the potato salad | 16:05 |
| dunp | link | 16:05 |
| Asimov | €40,363 pledged of €55,000 goal | 16:05 |
| Asimov | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2028347278/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla | 16:06 |
| leinir | SK_work: oh right, yeah :) | 16:06 |
| sledges | probably potato salad had a massively connected community, all lead by the fact they couldn't make food on their own | 16:06 |
| sledges | hence having shipped potato salad to their door(?) | 16:06 |
| sledges | i'd also ask the link to that potato salad:)) | 16:07 |
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| sledges | right | 16:07 |
| sledges | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/324283889/potato-salad | 16:07 |
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| sledges | an example of a thing going viral, yet we are aiming for a real deal here;) (surely someone could kickstart an edible TOH with food 3D printers) | 16:11 |
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| GreatEmerald | Wow, that potato salad thing is quite ludicrous... | 16:21 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah it was pretty funny | 16:22 |
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| GreatEmerald | Also, kicktraq is now trending towards 2275% ($1.25 million) : | 16:24 |
| GreatEmerald | :) | 16:24 |
| Timo | So, who's interested in an Airhorn Other Half, linked to, e.g. receiving a message? Then no one may ever complain anymore about Jolla's speaker being too quiet. | 16:25 |
| pp_ | at some point they can hire some chinese to do the assembly, I guess 55k isn't enough for that | 16:25 |
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| clau | https://www.youtube.com/user/HondaVideo/OtherSide | 16:27 |
| stephg | Timo: I was thinking more kitchenSinkToH, with ethernet, rj11 (for 56k, you never know) swiss-army bottle opener and emergency parachute should you drop your phone out of a plane (by accident) | 16:27 |
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| Timo | stephg: Well, that's possible too. An Airhorn OH would be cool enough for me though. | 16:28 |
| stephg | klaxOH | 16:29 |
| Timo | Exactly. | 16:31 |
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| stephg | :) | 16:31 |
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| pdanek | http://n4bb.com/blackberry-passport-extreme-durability-test-video/ | 17:00 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | 10000€ to go \o/ | 17:08 |
| cybette | 9000! | 17:08 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | weeee! | 17:09 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | I wonder why people go for the 120€ option without color choosing | 17:11 |
| Nicd- | only one has done that | 17:11 |
| Morpog_PC__ | oh, I looked wrong, lol | 17:11 |
| Morpog_PC__ | thought 199 of 200 :D | 17:11 |
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| r0kk3rz | well if you want white polished as the colour | 17:13 |
| r0kk3rz | then its a nice gesture to leave the colour options to other people | 17:13 |
| Nicd- | then you can pay 110 € :P | 17:13 |
| Nicd- | but maybe they wanted to support the project a little bit more | 17:13 |
| Nicd- | dunno | 17:13 |
| Morpog_PC__ | I still secretly hope for injection molding | 17:13 |
| Nicd- | Morpog_PC__: then better pay more! ;) | 17:14 |
| Nicd- | they keypad is molded | 17:14 |
| Morpog_PC__ | well, I paid 120€ ;) | 17:14 |
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| r0kk3rz | would be easier for dirk if injection molded | 17:22 |
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| r0kk3rz | his 3d printer wont get so much of a workout | 17:22 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | and quality would be so much more nice! | 17:22 |
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| r0kk3rz | thats alright, we'll get the files to do it ourselves | 17:26 |
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| sledges | noob Q: how will the keys be glued onto rubber? one by one manually? (won't directly pester dirk on this question yet:) | 17:37 |
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| Shinryuu | just when tohkbd got released in kickstarter.. it won't accept my card :D | 17:37 |
| Morpog_PC__ | sledges, I guess it's a whole mat of keys that will be put on top of the keys | 17:38 |
| Morpog_PC__ | everything else would be insane :D | 17:38 |
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| r0kk3rz | sledges: check out the demo video on the kickstarter | 17:39 |
| sledges | Morpog_PC__: my thoughts exactly. yet it has to have a flexi bond between each key | 17:39 |
| r0kk3rz | looks like a dome keyboard rather than a key keyboard | 17:40 |
| sledges | r0kk3rz: but that's only the "undercover" | 17:40 |
| r0kk3rz | oh is it? | 17:40 |
| r0kk3rz | my bad | 17:40 |
| Morpog_PC__ | yeahz, check video of prototype | 17:40 |
| sledges | from ks: "The keypad is placed on top of a dome-sheet, | 17:40 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah right | 17:40 |
| r0kk3rz | no idea then | 17:41 |
| sledges | or maybe once glued each key will have to be pressed once | 17:41 |
| sledges | to "unclip"/pop-out from the neighbours | 17:41 |
| Nicd- | r0kk3rz: they said they're not going to print it themselves | 17:42 |
| Nicd- | sledges: better ask dirk and friends than speculate :P | 17:42 |
| sledges | Nicd-: sure, ultimately;) | 17:42 |
| sledges | i wonder how to explain such explosive backing on the first day - do most of them want this for christmas? :D | 17:43 |
| sledges | (however improbable but still;) | 17:43 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | I wonder if pre order of Jolla back then was same explosive | 17:45 |
| Shinryuu | urgh.. damn kickstarter | 17:46 |
| SK_work | Morpog_PC__: noone knows :) | 17:46 |
| Morpog_PC__ | :D | 17:46 |
| Hypernova | Are you guys from Finland? | 17:46 |
| Shinryuu | I am | 17:46 |
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| Hypernova | Nice :) | 17:47 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure i get your definition of explosive Morpog_PC__ | 17:47 |
| r0kk3rz | 400 ish backers is great | 17:48 |
| Hypernova | I want Jolla to go bigger than Nokia was , not microsoft nokia and then keep going on | 17:48 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure its explosive though | 17:48 |
| sledges | r0kk3rz: in terms of reaching goal on first day | 17:48 |
| Nicd- | r0kk3rz: I'd say it's explosive on jolla scale | 17:48 |
| Morpog_PC__ | explosive = good | 17:48 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | I wouldn't have thought we would get over 20000€ on day one | 17:49 |
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| Nicd- | yeah, it's pretty insane | 17:50 |
| sledges | especially with initial reception about price too high i read on tmo and away | 17:51 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i guess thats true | 17:51 |
| Morpog_PC__ | well sledges there are not really any alternatives :D | 17:51 |
| Shinryuu | "declined. please try another card." guess I'm bailing out | 17:51 |
| Nicd- | more inspiration to continue my app development! | 17:51 |
| sledges | haha, they got the monopoly :D | 17:51 |
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| locusf | Shinryuu: visa electron perhaps? | 17:52 |
| Morpog_PC__ | Nicd-, I would buy some apps in Jolla store - if I could.... | 17:52 |
| Shinryuu | well, yeah | 17:52 |
| locusf | won't work, tried myself today | 17:52 |
| locusf | ordered a debit card instead | 17:52 |
| Nicd- | Morpog_PC__: in case you are talking about sailtime, donations can be arranged ;) | 17:52 |
| Shinryuu | :/ | 17:52 |
| Nicd- | I think a Visa Electron won't work because it has to be instantly billed | 17:53 |
| Nicd- | that's why it doesn't work in trains either | 17:53 |
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| * Morpog_PC__ checks Jolla store for Sailtime | 17:53 | |
| Shinryuu | Nicd-: I see | 17:53 |
| pdanek | http://www.mastercard.co.uk/prepaid-card.html | 17:54 |
| pdanek | http://www.visa.co.uk/products/visa-card-payments/visa-prepaid | 17:54 |
| pdanek | wrong chat, sorry | 17:54 |
| Nicd- | Shinryuu: get yourself a free visa debit from s-bank ;) | 17:54 |
| Nicd- | or... "free" | 17:54 |
| Morpog_PC__ | Nicd-, looking nice, but I'm using lighthouse for that already :D | 17:54 |
| Nicd- | lighthouse doesn't have an uptime record feature! | 17:55 |
| Morpog_PC__ | which would suck for me, as I reboot too often ;) | 17:55 |
| Morpog_PC__ | hehe | 17:55 |
| Morpog_PC__ | cut cool idea | 17:56 |
| Morpog_PC__ | but | 17:56 |
| Morpog_PC__ | I wonder how much $$$ it needs for injection molding | 17:57 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | ahhaaha https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1nUMVyIgAAmf6D.jpg :) | 17:58 |
| Morpog_PC__ | he looks quite impressed | 17:58 |
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| SK_work | https://twitter.com/SfietKonstantin/status/529694401719992320 <- some retweets ? :) | 17:59 |
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| Nicd- | Morpog_PC__: B) | 18:00 |
| Nicd- | or more like B| | 18:00 |
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| Shinryuu | guess I'll get the visa debit card and I hope it works | 18:04 |
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| Nicd- | s-bank visa debit works | 18:05 |
| Shinryuu | what is this s-bank? | 18:05 |
| Shinryuu | I'm a member of OP | 18:05 |
| Nicd- | s-pankki? | 18:05 |
| Morpog_PC__ | Stskeeps, my laggy behavior on update9 turned out to be not a free memory problem, but full btrfs volume probleme. After a btrfs rebalance my Jolla acts even smoother now on U9. All those sporadically lags and big delays are gone! | 18:05 |
| Shinryuu | ah | 18:06 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | less than 5000 to go | 18:08 |
| Shinryuu | ughh | 18:08 |
| Shinryuu | will I get my card in time | 18:08 |
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| sledges | Morpog_PC__: does btrfs rebalance need to be run from recovery? | 18:09 |
| Morpog_PC__ | Shinryuu, it doesn't stop at 55000 | 18:09 |
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| Shinryuu | good | 18:09 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | sledges, nope, did from booted system over usb ssh | 18:09 |
| sledges | ok, time for a rebalance here as well:) | 18:10 |
| Morpog_PC__ | check if it'S needed first | 18:10 |
| Morpog_PC__ | btrfs fi show | 18:10 |
| Morpog_PC__ | if it says 13,75 from 13,75, then it's needed | 18:11 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | beware device is not really usable while you do it | 18:11 |
| sledges | ok thanks | 18:11 |
| Morpog_PC__ | took over 40 minutes here | 18:11 |
| Morpog_PC__ | without any progress bar :D | 18:12 |
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| sledges | https://mobile.twitter.com/dirkvanleersum/status/529687742549356545/photo/1 | 18:14 |
| sledges | i still can't stop laughing from his face expression | 18:14 |
| sledges | :D great find Morpog_PC__ | 18:15 |
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| GreatEmerald | Backers are 404 | 18:16 |
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| Stskeeps | Morpog_PC__: interesting | 18:18 |
| Morpog_PC__ | Stskeeps, haven't really stress tested it yet, but it's quite nice so far. Especially Android apps behave alot better again. | 18:19 |
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| r0kk3rz | u9 does seem easier to top the ram out on though | 18:20 |
| Morpog_PC__ | that for sure | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | we're looking into that | 18:21 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | <3000€ :) | 18:26 |
| SK_work | soon | 18:27 |
| SK_work | :) | 18:27 |
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| sledges | did it start at noon GMT? | 18:29 |
| Morpog_PC__ | depends on the timezone :D | 18:29 |
| sledges | ay?:D | 18:30 |
| Morpog_PC__ | it started 6hrs and 30 minutes ago | 18:30 |
| Morpog_PC__ | oh, GMT, rofl, didn't see that | 18:30 |
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| sledges | noon it is | 18:32 |
| sledges | :) | 18:32 |
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| ar | hi. is it possible to buy a replacement screen for jolla? because mine shattered | 18:46 |
| ar | (touchscreen and lcd seem ok, just the first layer seems broken) | 18:47 |
| sledges | start the countdown | 18:47 |
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| ar | sledges: hm? | 18:47 |
| Nicd- | ar: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2028347278/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla | 18:47 |
| Nicd- | (the countdown) | 18:48 |
| Nicd- | anyway, I don't think there are replacement screens | 18:48 |
| Nicd- | you'd have to send it in for repairs | 18:48 |
| DrainBamaged | It's the Final Countdown... | 18:48 |
| Morpog_PC__ | dadada da dadadadaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa | 18:49 |
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| DrainBamaged | Cue Gob Bluth with his magic :D | 18:49 |
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| sledges | congratzzz! | 18:49 |
| Morpog_PC__ | wohooooooooooooooo | 18:50 |
| tadzik | hah | 18:50 |
| Nicd- | WOOOO | 18:50 |
| flux | bring out the champagne! | 18:50 |
| tadzik | when did it go live? | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | congrats to the tohkbd guys | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | now you really have to do it | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:50 |
| tadzik | :P | 18:51 |
| Shinryuu | YES | 18:51 |
| Shinryuu | damn debit card come to papa | 18:51 |
| Shinryuu | it might take a week | 18:51 |
| pdanek | The Communicator is back! | 18:53 |
| ar | hehe | 18:53 |
| Morpog_PC__ | tadzik, 7hours ago soon | 18:54 |
| Nicd- | Stskeeps: know if any Jolla Qt/security guys are here? | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | Nicd-: security@jolla.com for any security reports | 18:54 |
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| Stskeeps | ar: it may very well be cheaper to buy a new one with the current 100 eur voucher.. while i don't speak for current conditions, i think i saw a replacement costing 200 eur-ish from somebody | 18:55 |
| Nicd- | Stskeeps: not really a report, just asking if Qt 5.2 has been / will be patched to disable SSLv3 | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | tigeli might know what our activities are. | 18:55 |
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| Nicd- | related: https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/97729/ (the patch to disable it) | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | ar: it's one of those parts where we can't really just replace one of the items.. | 18:55 |
| pdanek | Guys, how expensive is the Jolla battery? The one we can apparently buy on ebay? | 18:56 |
| pdanek | I will need new battery by Q1 2015, this is getting weaker already | 18:56 |
| ar | Stskeeps: i see | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | ar: but take a talk with care first | 18:57 |
| ar | Stskeeps: yeah, just mailed them | 18:58 |
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| thp | mattaustin: re: pyotherside version in the python-support branch, that can be updated once it's going to be merged, of course (i.e. when store supports it, we can just bump the version to whatever the current is at that time). | 18:58 |
| Nicd- | tigeli: have you patched or are you going to patch Qt 5.2 to disable SSLv3? related, the patch in question: https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/97729/ | 18:59 |
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| Stskeeps | Nicd-: anyhow, if you don't get a response here, just send a mail to security@jolla.com; the right people read that | 19:00 |
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| Nicd- | ok | 19:02 |
| Nicd- | there's just no way to disable SSLv3 in Qt QSslSockets without hardcoding in some TLS version | 19:02 |
| Nicd- | don't want my app being insecure :) | 19:02 |
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| Tegu | humm, I wonder why vibration is not working on incoming calls or messages.. have been missing calls especially in silent mode (only the screen lights up but nothing else. not so nice in pocket) | 19:13 |
| Tegu | it does work elsewhere, though (like fingerterm atm) | 19:14 |
| flux | nicd-, why not ask #sailfishos? though I think it doesn't seem like the functions to do what you want are there yet. there is QSslConfiguration::setAllowedNextProtocols, but it's in Qt 5.3.. | 19:18 |
| Nicd- | flux: they told me on #qt it's just not possible | 19:19 |
| flux | the list of allowed protocols seemed so hacky, no wonder it didn't fit all situations :/ | 19:19 |
| Nicd- | they also told me quite bluntly that it's the job of the software distributor to patch their Qt so that QSsl::SecureProtocols refers to really secure protocols | 19:20 |
| flux | that QSsl::SslProtocol with QSsl:SslV3, V2, TlsV1, V1_1.. and then TlsV1SslV3, what it this? | 19:20 |
| flux | right, it should not be possible for a client application to really choose what it wants to use. | 19:20 |
| Nicd- | heh | 19:21 |
| flux | well, you can always put your own libqnetwork or somesuch alongside your app | 19:21 |
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| Nicd- | luckily there is a weechat version coming that has SSLv3 disabled | 19:23 |
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| merlin1991 | tbr do you have salmeta running on qt 5.2? I'm wondering if I should opt in to the update ... | 19:29 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | merlin1991, the opt-in is really great, but it shouldn't be that far to U10 | 19:32 |
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| GreatEmerald | And now TOHKBD is over 60,000€... | 19:46 |
| Morpog_PC__ | the cheap options are going to end, hurry up guys ;) | 19:46 |
| tbr | merlin1991: not yet, problems compiling it | 19:47 |
| tbr | javispedro is on a trip, so it might still take a bit | 19:47 |
| GreatEmerald | This is so going to break Kicktraq, it's already trending toward 1.73 million, and the data is 44 minutes old | 19:48 |
| GreatEmerald | 16 hours still left in the day, too | 19:48 |
| ninnnu | that'd require 10k buyers...I'm not sure if that's likely. | 19:49 |
| ninnnu | (for 1.73mil) | 19:49 |
| Morpog_PC__ | I guess 1000 is already quite optimistic :D | 19:50 |
| tbr | it's funny to look at those unlikely linear projections though | 19:50 |
| cb400f | non (yet) jolla owners have a strong incentive to pledge, so... ;-) | 19:50 |
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| ninnnu | cb400f: I think everyone who wants Jolla already has one.. | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | you'd be surprised | 19:51 |
| cb400f | I think € 100,- discount + a physical qwerty keyboard might sway some people :-) | 19:51 |
| cb400f | especially people clinging to their N900s ;-) | 19:52 |
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| tbr | the N900 rework people might not be thrilled ;) | 19:53 |
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| r0kk3rz | some might be holding out for the neo900 | 19:55 |
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| GreatEmerald | Shouldn't the N900 rework people just go use Jolla now? :D | 19:56 |
| tbr | GreatEmerald: that's more about emotions than anything | 19:56 |
| ninnnu | GreatEmerald: Not necessarily, because Jolla isn't as free as Neo900 (UI, possibly some pieces of hardware) | 19:57 |
| tbr | as if the n900 would be better | 19:57 |
| tbr | they can switch many things, but the SGX GPU will e.g. remain | 19:58 |
| GreatEmerald | tbr: In that case, those people are probably going to stay just as thrilled as they are now | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | well, they have a open wlan driver, they've got that going for them.. | 19:58 |
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| GreatEmerald | ninnnu: Can't you just swap the UI for vanilla Nemo? | 19:59 |
| ninnnu | GreatEmerald: You'd be still left with less open/free drivers, which is one of the things Neo900 is aiming for. If we're talking about the same project | 20:00 |
| tbr | sure, some people run glacier | 20:00 |
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| GreatEmerald | ninnnu: True. I hope the second edition Jolla will have better hardware in that regard | 20:03 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | I wonder what those people with Neo900 will do when maemo doesn't run on it properly.... | 20:03 |
| Nicd- | it doesn't? | 20:04 |
| Nicd- | maybe they'll install sailfish on it :P | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | maemo is a pita to port anywhere | 20:04 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | Nicd-, they have to reverse engineer and rebuild alot of stuff | 20:06 |
| Morpog_PC__ | ah kicktraq is updated again | 20:06 |
| GreatEmerald | 2 mil, nice :) | 20:07 |
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| tigeli | Nicd-: we have not patched qt yet.. | 21:00 |
| Nicd- | is it planned? | 21:00 |
| tigeli | Nicd-: eventually :) | 21:01 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | pppft patching, go for QT5.4 in U11 :) | 21:03 |
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| Nicd- | tigeli: ok, my app's security against POODLE depends on it :D | 21:03 |
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| GreatEmerald | New trend is 2.09 million :D | 21:05 |
| pp_ | I wonder if that much worth of phones have been sold O:) | 21:05 |
| Oni^ | GreatEmerald: link? | 21:05 |
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| Eztran | Oni^: http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/2028347278/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla/ | 21:07 |
| tigeli | Nicd-: does your app support protocol downgrade? | 21:07 |
| Nicd- | tigeli: it just uses QSslSocket so I think yes | 21:07 |
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| Eztran | but note link underneath trending toward figure telling you to take it with a pinch of salt, of course... | 21:07 |
| M4rtinK | already spamming every relevant ML & friends with the TOHkbd kickstarter :) | 21:07 |
| Kabouik | Some of my sms don't get delivered anymore, for two different contacts, while I still receive and send successfully sms to another one. The not-received ones are actually send (no error), but I get no confirmation and my contacts didn't receive anything. | 21:07 |
| M4rtinK | lets see how far we can get it :) | 21:07 |
| Kabouik | Can it be linked to the size of the history? I still receive sms from them though. | 21:07 |
| tigeli | Nicd-: can't say for sure.. I would bet on not supporting, but.. anyway sslv3 is not safe. :) | 21:07 |
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| Nicd- | tigeli: and that's why I'm worrying about this :P | 21:08 |
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| GreatEmerald | Hm, looking at TOHKBD's backer comments, it makes me wonder if you can make a TOH TOH (a TOH you can attach a TOH to) | 21:19 |
| Asimov | What's the point? | 21:20 |
| GreatEmerald | To have the benefits of bost simultaneously, obviously ;) | 21:21 |
| GreatEmerald | both* | 21:21 |
| GreatEmerald | As in both a keybord and a solar battery, or both a keyboard and a flashlight etc. | 21:21 |
| Asimov | Oh, ok. | 21:22 |
| ninnnu | you couldn't really hae keyboard and solar battery anyway | 21:25 |
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| GreatEmerald | Well, people in the comments there are hoping otherwise :D | 21:33 |
| GreatEmerald | Pretty funny, it's day 1 and people are already discussing stretch goals | 21:33 |
| ruskie | lol | 21:33 |
| ruskie | well it did exceed the funding goal | 21:33 |
| ruskie | and it did so in like 8h or so | 21:34 |
| Morpog_PC__ | it will cool down now | 21:34 |
| Kabouik | Let's just hope for injection molding, and possibly more customization options, that's all I want :o | 21:34 |
| Morpog_PC__ | end of month will be better again when people get money and the end of the campaing is near | 21:34 |
| ruskie | so what if it cools down? | 21:35 |
| ruskie | €69,208 pledged of €55,000 goal | 21:35 |
| Morpog_PC__ | well nothing, we just can't hope for 70000 every day :D | 21:35 |
| ruskie | why would you need more? | 21:35 |
| Morpog_PC__ | ruskie, injection molding of course | 21:35 |
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| Azog | is there a qwertz-version of the tohkbd? | 21:40 |
| Shinryuu | so.. do they have some manufactures available or are they going to everything by hand!? | 21:40 |
| stephg | Azog: it's an option I believe yes | 21:41 |
| Azog | i didn't find it on the page | 21:41 |
| Kabouik | There is one Azog | 21:41 |
| stephg | it's there. there's an infographic (gif) with a bunch of layouts | 21:41 |
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| r0kk3rz | http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/introducing-nogotofaila-network-traffic.html | 21:41 |
| Kabouik | https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/002/851/518/0c722857f4d52198a0f1629c635f95ec_large.gif?1415094184 3rd one here | 21:41 |
| r0kk3rz | be interesting to test the jolla against that | 21:41 |
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| Azog | thanks for the hint | 21:42 |
| Tegu | Shinryuu: the risks and challenges section at the bottom of the page says that they assembled by hand | 21:44 |
| Shinryuu | Tegu: I was just reading that.. you read my mind | 21:44 |
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| GreatEmerald | And now it's past 70,000€ | 21:52 |
| Tegu | nice | 21:54 |
| leinir | hehe, nice trending graph as well... ;) | 21:54 |
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| Eztran | It'll be interesting to see the projected when they have enough data for it. | 21:58 |
| M4rtinK | well, if the boards are already soldered by the factory | 21:59 |
| M4rtinK | then it should be doable | 21:59 |
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| Kabouik | No ideas about my issue with sms (question asked here just one hour ago, +/- 3 min) | 22:05 |
| Kabouik | ? | 22:05 |
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| GreatEmerald | Now trending to 2.2 million | 22:21 |
| cb400f | I did think the 1.73 was pretty pessimistic ;-) | 22:21 |
| ln- | url to trends? | 22:22 |
| Eztran | ln-: http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/2028347278/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla/ | 22:24 |
| tadzik | http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/2028347278/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla/ | 22:24 |
| ln- | thanks | 22:24 |
| M4rtinK | please note it has not yet even hit Slashdot, Phoronix & co :) | 22:24 |
| Eztran | It's the projected data that will be more interesting (/realistic), but that takes a bit to acquire data. | 22:24 |
| Asimov | It looks good now atleast | 22:25 |
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| GreatEmerald | If he says that injection molds aren't affordable for only a few thousand pieces, then if we take that 3000 is enough, and take the base price of 100, the stretch goal would then be 300,000€ | 22:41 |
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| GreatEmerald | Quite steep | 22:41 |
| Morpog_PC__ | forget it :D | 22:42 |
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| fennekki | so, are all the TOHKBDs sold out yet? | 22:57 |
| brunelli | Nope | 22:58 |
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| brunelli | Just the early birds | 22:58 |
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| brunelli | You can get a white one for 110€ or a colored for 130€ (iirc) yet | 22:59 |
| GreatEmerald | Not the semi-early birds, though | 22:59 |
| brunelli | fennekki: ^ | 22:59 |
| fennekki | brunelli: I don't have enough money right now, I was mostly interested in how the kickstarter has fared | 23:00 |
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| GreatEmerald | fennekki: Last hour's data shows it's trending towards 2.2 million, so quite well ;) | 23:00 |
| brunelli | fennekki: Yeah, the project reached its goal... | 23:01 |
| brunelli | But you still have 29 days to buy a TOHKBD :) | 23:01 |
| fennekki | Almost surprising, really, considering it's not exactly cheap and not that many people own a jolla | 23:01 |
| GreatEmerald | Indeed | 23:01 |
| GreatEmerald | People seem to really like their keyboards | 23:02 |
| fennekki | it's better than the N900, in a way | 23:02 |
| fennekki | mostly in that it's detachable. That's incredible. | 23:02 |
| brunelli | GreatEmerald: I didn't get the 2.2 million thing. What does that mean? | 23:03 |
| fennekki | brunelli: if people keep giving money at this rate they'll reach 2.2M by the end of the period | 23:03 |
| brunelli | Many people (me included) were waiting for a TOHKBD to buy a Jolla :D | 23:03 |
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| brunelli | Oh... But this doesn't make sense. We know the campaign already started to slow down. | 23:04 |
| M4rtinK | it just needs more data | 23:04 |
| cb400f | a few hours ago the projection was only 1.73 m ;-) | 23:05 |
| M4rtinK | to illustrate what I mean: http://xkcd.com/605/ | 23:05 |
| fennekki | The projection could be per day or something | 23:05 |
| brunelli | cb400f: Great, its growing today. | 23:05 |
| brunelli | cb400f: The Ubuntu Edge project reached 5 million in just one day. Following this project, they would have successed in less than a week. | 23:06 |
| fennekki | also, wouldn't it be amusing if you could stack the jolla discount sent to everyone who has one with the TOHKBD one for €200 off? :D | 23:06 |
| brunelli | Instead, they failed, reaching 12 million of the 32 asked. | 23:07 |
| fennekki | wait | 23:07 |
| fennekki | what | 23:07 |
| fennekki | they launched a kickstarter for 32 million? | 23:07 |
| cb400f | http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/2028347278/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla/ | 23:07 |
| M4rtinK | well, the Ubuntu thing was vaporware IMHO | 23:07 |
| cb400f | we don't know the algorithm of the projection.. but of course it could just be a simple linear thing | 23:08 |
| brunelli | M4rtinK: There's a xkcb for every statitics' discussion | 23:08 |
| GreatEmerald | fennekki: The time periods for both vouchers do not actually overlap | 23:08 |
| M4rtinK | brunelli: yeah :) | 23:08 |
| brunelli | fennekki: Yes LOL | 23:08 |
| M4rtinK | Canonical does that a lot actually | 23:08 |
| flux | cb400f, I think the trend is a simple linear, the projection might take into account previous performance of other projects | 23:08 |
| GreatEmerald | flux is right | 23:08 |
| brunelli | fennekki: An indiegogo, actually xD | 23:08 |
| GreatEmerald | Hence why no projections yet | 23:08 |
| M4rtinK | there are quite a lot of Ubuntu based "products" that were every only presented with nice PR materials | 23:09 |
| M4rtinK | and never released, even in source form | 23:09 |
| brunelli | Ubuntu for Android, someone said? LOL | 23:09 |
| fennekki | Well, you know Canonical | 23:09 |
| GreatEmerald | Ah, there, now it's trending to 2.26 million | 23:09 |
| fennekki | they gotta have their own VCS | 23:09 |
| fennekki | their own display manager | 23:09 |
| GreatEmerald | their own app container daemon, apparently | 23:10 |
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| M4rtinK | well, even before their semi-recent NIH madness wave | 23:10 |
| flux | fennekki, but you do realize wayland is nowhere neaar being put into a device, at least not a mobile phone! | 23:10 |
| fennekki | Oh! And their own init | 23:10 |
| fennekki | flux: Truly, truly :D | 23:10 |
| M4rtinK | they already carried _huge_ patches for about half the GUI components | 23:11 |
| GreatEmerald | fennekki: Well, their own init was actually a good idea at the time, and after the time was up they did give up on it | 23:11 |
| fennekki | That's really amusing, though: the Jolla is the first device I ever saw a working wayland on | 23:11 |
| GreatEmerald | Same | 23:11 |
| fennekki | I tried installing wayland on Arch once and Weston would just | 23:11 |
| fennekki | crash | 23:11 |
| fennekki | and crash | 23:11 |
| fennekki | and crash | 23:11 |
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| fennekki | so I never got to *try* it | 23:11 |
| M4rtinK | and if what I'Ve heard about the Ubuntu Touch development practices is true | 23:11 |
| GreatEmerald | Well, Wayland on mobile is much simpler than Wayland on desktop | 23:11 |
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| M4rtinK | - closed devel channels, almost no community participation, forks (Trojita for example) and just periodic code drops | 23:12 |
| brunelli | fennekki: I'm another one who failed trying wayland on Arch :( | 23:12 |
| M4rtinK | then they are basically doing a NIH version of Android :) | 23:12 |
| popey | M4rtinK: that's just not true | 23:12 |
| pdanek | M4rtinK: :D | 23:12 |
| pdanek | yea, I think Ubuntu Touch isn't that bad | 23:13 |
| brunelli | M4rtinK: I truly believe that Mark fella has Not Invented Here syndrome... | 23:13 |
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| brunelli | But at least Ubuntu Touch has a most innovative UI than Firefox OS or Tizen... | 23:13 |
| tadzik | I can't wait until they roll out their own fork of pulseaudio | 23:14 |
| cb400f | I don't think he minds stuff invented elsewhere, if only he can take credit for it ;-) | 23:14 |
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| fennekki | Shuttleworth is too rich to run a relatively FOSS project | 23:14 |
| fennekki | it's a widely-observed fact that rich people are not very grounded in reality | 23:14 |
| M4rtinK | money bends reality :) | 23:14 |
| M4rtinK | in all kinds of interesting ways :) | 23:15 |
| brunelli | How hard would it be to do a Ubuntu Touch port for the Jolla? | 23:15 |
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| r0kk3rz | does ubuntu touch use libhybris? | 23:15 |
| popey | yes | 23:15 |
| brunelli | Yes | 23:15 |
| GreatEmerald | M4rtinK: Much of that probably comes from their CLA. It can pay to fork things with it. | 23:16 |
| r0kk3rz | then it shouldnt be ThatHardTM | 23:17 |
| brunelli | r0kk3rz: I don't know much about libhybris, but it's for Android drivers, right? Weren't Jolla's drivers for Sailfish "native"? | 23:17 |
| brunelli | Aren't* | 23:17 |
| M4rtinK | GreatEmerald: I can kinda accept a CLA for stuff like Qt | 23:17 |
| M4rtinK | but not in Canonicals case | 23:17 |
| r0kk3rz | brunelli: nope, they use an android kernel | 23:17 |
| GreatEmerald | M4tinK: And keeping things under wraps ensures that someone else doesn't have the chance to fork their work early | 23:18 |
| popey | GreatEmerald: such as? | 23:18 |
| GreatEmerald | It also has the downside of someone else creating something better in the mean time, too | 23:18 |
| M4rtinK | GreatEmerald: and no one has a chance to contribute ;-) | 23:18 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, I don't believe in that at all | 23:19 |
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| brunelli | r0kk3rz: I see... So it would be, theorically, possible? | 23:19 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah | 23:19 |
| GreatEmerald | Yea, well, people outside Canonical are reluctant to contribute to CLA'd software to begin with, so it's not much of a loss for them | 23:19 |
| M4rtinK | you can see brilliant open source code bases bit-rotting left and right | 23:19 |
| brunelli | Cool! It would be great to try Ubuntu on the Jolla :D | 23:19 |
| GreatEmerald | Well, time to go sleep, bye | 23:20 |
| M4rtinK | there is no army of people just waiting to fork your shitty project the second you release it :P | 23:20 |
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| brunelli | I have to say, the idea of opening the development of Ubuntu Touch's Core Apps to the community is really great. | 23:21 |
| brunelli | I think Jolla should've done something like this. | 23:21 |
| M4rtinK | but the exact opposite - in 99.9% of cases you will be lucky to get _any_ contributions _at all_, let alone someone investing enough resources to do a real fork | 23:21 |
| M4rtinK | brunelli: sure! | 23:22 |
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| brunelli | At least they are opening some of their apps now... :) | 23:23 |
| brunelli | (they = Jolla) | 23:23 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, that's a good trend | 23:23 |
| Eztran | just wondering, how many commits are those actually getting from outside Jolla? | 23:24 |
| M4rtinK | but I still don't see any reason for keeping them closed source in the first place :) | 23:24 |
| w00t | Eztran: practically none | 23:24 |
| brunelli | Not much, I think... | 23:24 |
| w00t | but it's non-zero | 23:24 |
| Eztran | I don't either, actually, but people seem to make a lot of noise when they have no intention of actually contributing. | 23:24 |
| brunelli | At least not on Browser | 23:24 |
| M4rtinK | well, it is not very easy to contribute at the moment :) | 23:25 |
| Eztran | True. And I suppose some of what people want to get in is UI stuff, which is down to design, etc... | 23:25 |
| M4rtinK | especially to components that might be a backend for a closed part, etc. | 23:25 |
| M4rtinK | but IIRC for example the recent Conmann patch was contributed by the community | 23:26 |
| brunelli | https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclosed | 23:26 |
| brunelli | 172 accepted pull requests, seems like a reasonable number :) | 23:27 |
| M4rtinK | also I wonder if Jolla would be willing to upstream some of the Patch Manager patches as optional "modes" :) | 23:27 |
| M4rtinK | the code is all there, waiting to be picked up :) | 23:27 |
| w00t | brunelli: remember that everyone works through pull requests, not just people from outside jolla - you need to look at the people writing the changes to get a proper overview | 23:28 |
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| Eztran | Those 172 pulls do mainly seem to be employee stuff, yeah. | 23:28 |
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| brunelli | w00t: Oh... | 23:28 |
| brunelli | I thought they committed directly on the repo... | 23:29 |
| fennekki | I have a friend who runs connmann on their laptop, IIRC | 23:29 |
| w00t | no. everyone goes through code review :) | 23:29 |
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| brunelli | How strange :x | 23:29 |
| fennekki | I'm still angry about there being no GUI for PEAP | 23:29 |
| M4rtinK | w00t: yeah, more eyes-on-code are always better to avoid polluting the Git history :) | 23:30 |
| M4rtinK | brunelli: most sane projects use code review before committing patches to the repository | 23:31 |
| brunelli | Is there any work from Jolla or SK (Patchmanager's dev) on bringing landscape orientation to the launcher? | 23:32 |
| M4rtinK | might not be github pull requests - Kernel style mailing list review, Gerrit, Gitlab, etc. | 23:32 |
| brunelli | M4rtinK: I thought they had a internal branch or something >< | 23:32 |
| M4rtinK | brunelli: fortunately not :) | 23:32 |
| M4rtinK | you generally don't want to do that as it can prevent people from effectively contributing & testing your code | 23:33 |
| brunelli | M4rtinK: Yeah, you're right... | 23:34 |
| brunelli | SK_work: Are you here? :) | 23:34 |
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