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| tmynttin | haa anyone been able to unban themselves after the mitakuuluu ban? | 06:12 |
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| tmynttin | has* | 06:12 |
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| coderus | tmynttin: the only you need is to use email from android application | 06:26 |
| tmynttin | coderus: how quickly do they react? | 06:31 |
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| coderus | 2-3 working days | 09:53 |
| coderus | tmynttin: ^ | 09:53 |
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| tmynttin | ok... | 09:58 |
| coderus | but probably this month they have a lot of reports because of mitakuuluu and it can take longer :D | 09:59 |
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| * Morpog_PC__ wonders if the tohkbd kickstarter got abonded as the page vanished | 10:33 | |
| Stskeeps | O_o | 10:33 |
| Morpog_PC__ | kimmoli, any insights? :D | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | i thought it was a preview anyway | 10:33 |
| Nicd- | Morpog_PC__: it was a draft, I assume they are working out the details | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | like not the factual page yet | 10:34 |
| kimmoli | yes | 10:34 |
| kimmoli | draft, KS is now analyzing it is it worth a project | 10:34 |
| Morpog_PC__ | ok, hopefully they will, they got some strange decissions lately | 10:34 |
| kimmoli | aa, you mean quitting that deathstar project? | 10:35 |
| Morpog_PC__ | lol | 10:35 |
| Morpog_PC__ | no, that anonbox and the followup project | 10:35 |
| cb400f | does anyone know if tohkbd can/will inhibit the on-screen keyboard? | 10:35 |
| Nicd- | but I'm glad the potato salad project was approved | 10:35 |
| Morpog_PC__ | cb400f, I think there was a patch for old tohkbd | 10:36 |
| kimmoli | rtfm, faq. it will atleast minimize it as small as we can | 10:36 |
| * Morpog_PC__ hopes for a Jolla sailor that buys it and does an insider patch :D | 10:36 | |
| kimmoli | i have that jolla tohkbd (rev1) here for repair... | 10:37 |
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| mornfall | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/10/31/2035220/qualcomm-begins-contributing-to-reverse-engineered-freedreno-linux-driver | 10:59 |
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| Stskeeps | perhaps an avenue to get into upstream kernel. | 10:59 |
| mornfall | maybe... I'd totally approve of a hybris-free jolla ;-) | 11:01 |
| AL13N | it's a start | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | you'll also need hwcomposer too, though | 11:02 |
| AL13N | is this the hardware that's on our SoC? | 11:02 |
| AL13N | or is it different hardware? | 11:03 |
| mornfall | what's hwcomposer? | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | it's a thing for layering gpu buffers and such | 11:03 |
| mornfall | AL13N: your soc was already supported by freedreno before qualcomm stepped in | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | on screen | 11:03 |
| AL13N | mornfall: but not completely, right? | 11:03 |
| mornfall | quite completely actually | 11:04 |
| mornfall | as far as I know, anyway | 11:04 |
| AL13N | huh... then why aren't we using this? | 11:04 |
| mornfall | coz... | 11:04 |
| mornfall | well, you need to update the wlan driver together | 11:04 |
| mornfall | it needs *much* newer linux | 11:05 |
| mornfall | than what we currently run | 11:05 |
| AL13N | isn't the wlan driver on the SoC too? | 11:05 |
| mornfall | https://together.jolla.com/question/43043/updated-system-components-kernel-systemd-connman/ | 11:05 |
| mornfall | AL13N: freedreno is only the GPU driver | 11:05 |
| mornfall | AL13N: there's an OSS driver for the wlan too, though | 11:06 |
| AL13N | well, that's what i meant by that the SoC isn't completely supported in OSS | 11:06 |
| mornfall | 3.4 is positively ancient | 11:06 |
| AL13N | sure, but if all the SoC would be supported in open source in newer kernels, i suppose it would be a good idea... except | 11:06 |
| AL13N | what about all the other parts where there isn't a OSS driver? | 11:07 |
| mornfall | on paper, you could run 3.12+ with OSS drivers on the SoC that we have | 11:07 |
| mornfall | which parts? | 11:07 |
| AL13N | wouldn you lose the modem, for instance? | 11:07 |
| mornfall | modem is userspace | 11:07 |
| AL13N | i mean, if it all were perfectly possible, i'm sure it'd been done before | 11:08 |
| mornfall | why? :-) | 11:08 |
| AL13N | for instance, i heard quite some time ago that ppl couldn't get the OSS wlan driver to work | 11:09 |
| mornfall | last update to the git was 25 hours ago, apparently by qualcomm | 11:10 |
| mornfall | it should definitely be feasible to make it work | 11:10 |
| AL13N | what i mean is; you would like a 3.12+ kernel... if it were easily doable, you'd have done so by now | 11:11 |
| mornfall | AL13N: ah | 11:11 |
| AL13N | what i want to know is, where is the catch? | 11:11 |
| mornfall | that's horseshit you know :) | 11:11 |
| mornfall | I don't have a serial console on the phone | 11:11 |
| mornfall | so one misstep and the phone is dead forever | 11:11 |
| AL13N | true that | 11:11 |
| mornfall | jolla doesn't give us any tools | 11:11 |
| AL13N | is there a serial console? i haven't seen any pins | 11:12 |
| mornfall | so we have to wait for them to do it | 11:12 |
| mornfall | there must be at least a way to flash the bootloader | 11:12 |
| AL13N | ic | 11:12 |
| mornfall | the recovery mode we have relies on boot working, AFAIR | 11:12 |
| AL13N | you'd have to ship it back for reflash all the time | 11:12 |
| mornfall | yes | 11:13 |
| mornfall | shipping the device across europe a dozen times is not going to be cheap, eihter in time nor money... not feasible at all | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | there's serial but it's unreachable for layfolk | 11:15 |
| mornfall | so we have to sit and wait :-) | 11:15 |
| mornfall | may jolla have mercy :P | 11:15 |
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| AL13N | btw: since you guys know stuff around a kernel... i got a machine with a 3.14 which is losing memory, and noone seems to be able to help me out... or even tell me how i can debug it...: http://serverfault.com/questions/616856/where-did-my-memory-go-on-linux-no-cache-slab-shm-ipcs | 11:22 |
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| Stskeeps | AL13N: consider looking into sp_smaps_snapshot and sp_smaps_analyze | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | we use that a lot | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | and perhaps endurance reports | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | can reveal quite a lot | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | (sp-endurance) | 11:25 |
| pp_ | /proc/slabinfo too? (Tho I suppose it won't show up there since the total is so low) | 11:25 |
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| clau | coderus: any idea why accounts are still blocked with the latest version of mitakuuluu? is there something we can avoid doing? | 14:03 |
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| Anz_ | clau: did you contact whatsapp? | 14:30 |
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| AL13N | hmm, on a fingerterm, suddenly the keys stopped vibrating | 14:31 |
| AL13N | anyone know what to do with that? | 14:32 |
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| clau | Anz_: yes, first via email, then via official wa client. I got a reply to uninstall the client and get the right one from their site, and then contact them again. | 14:33 |
| clau | it's pretty much a drone type of answer. | 14:33 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: i'm gonna go look into those things... | 14:34 |
| AL13N | pp_: yeah, it's not slab... slab is too low to be several GB's of ram | 14:34 |
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| Yaniel | AL13N: they also get stuck someeeeeeeeeeeeeeetimes | 14:38 |
| AL13N | in vibrate you mean? or in non-vibrate? | 14:39 |
| Yaniel | no, as in input | 14:40 |
| Yaniel | vibration works normally here | 14:40 |
| Yaniel | but sometimes they seem to miss the keyup event or something | 14:40 |
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| clau | Anz_: the problem is that people are reporting having accounts banned even with the latest version | 14:44 |
| AL13N | btw: the dude who wrote the bash reader is, it's all nice, but voting only works once / page, so i don't know which one of the page it actually upvotes... | 14:44 |
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| clau | Anz_: hopefully it's just some sort of postprocessing of logs, and the bans are not a result of other issues in mitakuuluu | 14:45 |
| clau | postprocessing on wa side, I mean. | 14:46 |
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| Anz_ | clau: Use of third party clients is stil a violention of terms. So no matter what Mitäkuuluu does, it doesn't eliminate the risk of ban? | 14:51 |
| clau | that is correct | 14:52 |
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| clau | unless there's an agreement between jolla or coderus and wa. | 14:52 |
| clau | it may still work for a while if the protocol is updated in mitakuuluu to match the latest | 14:53 |
| clau | however, sooner or later wa will add quirks to it to detect unofficial clients | 14:54 |
| clau | my hope for mitakuuluu is that the backend will be changed to support other protocols, for instance telegram and xmpp. | 14:57 |
| clau | it would be a shame to lose it. coderus has done a great job with it. | 14:58 |
| Yaniel | it's been awfully laggy in uitukka | 14:58 |
| clau | small issues, IMO. | 14:59 |
| clau | here's an idea: jolla talks to wa, makes a deal to be allowed to implement the protocol. jolla hires coderus to develop and maintain it :) | 15:01 |
| Yaniel | that would be nice | 15:06 |
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| Kiranos | there is an site to post an url from google play to download the apk, anyone know the site and its name? | 15:52 |
| coderus | clau: the only you can do now is using android whatsapp really | 15:53 |
| coderus | currently i'm making harmattan whatsapp, will return to mitakuuluu later | 15:54 |
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| minimec | Kiranos: Hi... http://apps.evozi.com/apk-downloader/?id=com.whatsapp | 15:55 |
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| Kiranos | minimec: thanks! | 15:58 |
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| Kiranos | ugh the app I wanted need google market services, that not possible right? | 16:13 |
| attah | Kiranos: had it before.. bit i think i broke it recently | 16:14 |
| Kiranos | ok alot of "ugly" hacking to get it in? | 16:15 |
| attah | so unless the update i got is somehow mandatory and has no workarounds it is possible | 16:15 |
| attah | nope | 16:15 |
| attah | just unpack and rsync to where the stuff should be and reboot.. that's it if i remember correctly | 16:16 |
| Kiranos | oh that doesnt sound to bad | 16:16 |
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| Kiranos | attah: https://together.jolla.com/question/5771/google-play-services/ that sounds to good to be true :) | 16:20 |
| attah | not the way i did it.. i got play and the whole shebang.. but feedback looks like it works | 16:21 |
| attah | https://together.jolla.com/question/30926/howto-install-google-play/ | 16:22 |
| attah | that looks familiar | 16:22 |
| Kiranos | ok thanks I'll test this first, its not the latest google services but might work | 16:23 |
| attah | although i think you are better of with the one you found.. this one gives outdated services | 16:23 |
| Kiranos | I'll see now | 16:24 |
| Kiranos | got it to work but a warning that some services doesnt support my device, but it started ok | 16:24 |
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| AL13N | Stskeeps: hmm, those tools are looking into the regular programs... | 17:15 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: problem is that RSS is still low, so i think it's kernel level | 17:15 |
| AL13N | i would like to know which module is requesting all that memory | 17:15 |
| AL13N | though kmemleak didn't show anything | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N: endurance looks into a lot more | 17:16 |
| AL13N | i found some endurance stiff in taht directory, but not sp-endurance itself | 17:16 |
| AL13N | endurance_report.py though | 17:17 |
| AL13N | parse-endurance-measurements | 17:17 |
| AL13N | save-incremental-endurance-stats | 17:17 |
| AL13N | split-endurance-measurements | 17:17 |
| AL13N | endurance-mem-overview | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | endurance-snapshot, endurance-report, endurance-plot | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | github.com/mer-qa/ | 17:19 |
| AL13N | aha | 17:19 |
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| attah | 'mer-qa, f**k yeah | 17:43 |
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| Stskeeps | (we do a surprisingily lot of qa work..) | 17:44 |
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| attah | well, the result does seem to suggest it's pretty stringent :) | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | http://monster.tspre.org/~carsten/endu-2/ is an ancient report that is collected daily from developer/tester devices | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | of endurance | 17:47 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | kiranos, once you got the play store and gms installed from there, you can update to the latest versions | 18:58 |
| Morpog_PC__ | I got latest play store with material design here | 18:58 |
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