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| nander | Lego TOH? Really? | 00:55 |
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| nander | Awesome | 00:55 |
| nander | Hell, I'm gonna buy the new revision of that one | 00:58 |
| nander | Fucking epic | 00:58 |
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| nander | http://le-go.ru/files/products/33353_large.jpg << This should be combined with that other half | 01:06 |
| nander | Then you can build lego robots and use your jolla as it's brain | 01:07 |
| nander | would be epic | 01:07 |
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| clau | so... whatsapp blocked one account because of mitakuuluu :( | 08:26 |
| clau | how much time does it take to get it unblocked? | 08:26 |
| clau | I didn't get an answer since yesterday. | 08:27 |
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| meklu | no idea, sorry :( | 08:28 |
| clau | :( | 08:31 |
| entil | clau: I emailed support and asked them to un-ban me | 08:31 |
| entil | however | 08:31 |
| entil | you should not mention jolla! | 08:31 |
| entil | I did, because coderus had not suggested not mentioning jolla, so let's see what they say | 08:31 |
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| clau | roger that | 08:32 |
| entil | then he said not to mention jolla and I felt kinda stupid, not realizing that mitakuuluu is at fault.. | 08:33 |
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| joonahoi | well, using any 3rd party software to access WA service is against the WA TOS, and that's the most likely reason they have mass banned ppl | 08:36 |
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| clau2 | well, it's the only messaging app that has proper notifications on jolla. if I lose it, it kind of kills jolla. :( | 08:39 |
| clau2 | android notifications need to be fixed. | 08:39 |
| clau2 | telegram occasionally adds notifications to the events screen, but there's nothing else. | 08:40 |
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| lainwir3d | hi | 09:05 |
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| entil | joonahoi: iirc the wa tos says you can't reverse-engineer the protocol, says nothing about using a client | 09:10 |
| entil | two distinctly different things | 09:10 |
| entil | and I'm not an international lawyer, but usually toses say they abide only by the law of the state of california (or whatever), which might be illegal, and at some point reverse-engineering was legal in .fi | 09:11 |
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| hR13 | Hi all, I need some help to export my contacts from my Jolla device but I can not find where to do it? any help much appreciated | 09:29 |
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| Sail0r | hR13: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202459088-How-do-I-copy-my-contacts-from-Jolla-to-another-phone-or-a-computer- | 09:35 |
| clau | did anyone actually manage to get their whatsapp account unbanned? | 09:35 |
| Sail0r | see section Transferring contacts manually into .vcf file | 09:35 |
| Sail0r | is there a way to manipulate account sync times from terminal @ Jolla? | 09:37 |
| hR13 | Sail0r, thanks that looks like what I been searching for :-) | 09:38 |
| ggabriel | Sail0r: you mean interval? | 09:38 |
| joonahoi | entil: you are right. i had misunderstood that they actually did forbid that use | 09:38 |
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| joonahoi | they must have determined 3rd party client users being "annoying" and banned everybody according to that clause ;) | 09:39 |
| ggabriel | lol re whatsapp | 09:40 |
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| Sail0r | ggabriel: yep | 09:42 |
| Sail0r | I see the setting for Imap | 09:43 |
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| Sail0r | but not for caldav or carddav | 09:43 |
| Sail0r | and i want to know where it gets stored | 09:43 |
| ggabriel | Sail0r: there's an xml somewhere, search tjc for the caldav question | 09:43 |
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| ggabriel | i cna't remember ottomh | 09:43 |
| ggabriel | regardless, i tried to change it there in the past and it always gets overwritten by settings | 09:43 |
| ggabriel | i tried to change it to a non standard interval, that is :) | 09:44 |
| Sail0r | hm k | 09:44 |
| Sail0r | because carddav gets never synced automatically | 09:44 |
| Sail0r | and i want to change this | 09:44 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 09:44 |
| ggabriel | i haven't played with caldav/carddav for a couple of releases now | 09:44 |
| ggabriel | which worries me slightly ;) | 09:44 |
| ggabriel | i have something to do for xmas \o/ | 09:45 |
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| Sail0r | hehe | 09:46 |
| Sail0r | this is the folder /home/nemo/.cache/msyncd/sync | 09:48 |
| ggabriel | sounds right | 09:48 |
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| Sail0r | interesting conflict policy prefers remote | 09:51 |
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| xfade_ | Sail0r: I guess that is extra safety. Imagine syncing an empty phone back to the server ;) | 09:53 |
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| Sail0r | hehe | 09:54 |
| Sail0r | well, I did this when I used syncevolution xD | 09:54 |
| Sail0r | that's why I always make a backup if I connect a new device ^^ | 09:55 |
| danielbeck_ | Hey. I submitted an app 9 days ago for approval. On harbour, it's stated that approval lasts 48 hours. Is it normal that approval lasts that long (or was the app somehow forgotten?) | 09:55 |
| meklu | there's some sort of QA process | 09:56 |
| meklu | no idea about how long any of that should take though | 09:57 |
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| nazanin | danielcbit: what is the name of the app? | 11:17 |
| nazanin | ah, wrong nick I guess :) | 11:18 |
| nander | he quit unfortunately | 11:18 |
| VDVsx | at #sailfishos he said that mailed developer care now, so should be there | 11:18 |
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| nazanin | VDVsx: ok :) | 11:19 |
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| nander | My jolla is still in Paris :( | 11:20 |
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| nander | It's gonna take till monday to get from paris to here :( | 11:20 |
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| ballock | How can I set my clock in Jolla to UTC while retaining NTP? | 12:17 |
| ballock | The settings page disables timezone selection when I enable time sync, | 12:18 |
| ballock | and when it's off, the timezones don't contain UTC. | 12:18 |
| ballock | I guess I could pick something from GMT+0 like London, but I think they change the time during summer time? | 12:19 |
| Nav | Yup | 12:19 |
| Nav | But that gives you until the last Sunday in March to find a solution :-) | 12:20 |
| Nav | (We changed to GMT+0 last Sunday) | 12:20 |
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| Nicd- | why do you want your clock to be in UTC? | 12:21 |
| ballock | Nav: almost, but I'm afraid the clock will go out of sync during that time. | 12:21 |
| ballock | I work in UTC. | 12:21 |
| ballock | My servers are in UTC. | 12:21 |
| ballock | It's not NTP, right? It's the time from the cellular network, along with the timezone that is provided? | 12:23 |
| Nav | Turn clock sync off and install ntpd? :-) | 12:23 |
| Nicd- | you don't need the clock for your daily life? | 12:24 |
| Nicd- | yeah, I think it gets the time from the cellular network | 12:24 |
| ballock | Nicd-: for those cases where I need to know what's the time in the physical world, I use an oldschool mechanical watch. | 12:25 |
| ballock | Ok, it's battery powered, but still. | 12:26 |
| ballock | I would go with Unix time, but that's too many numbers too close to each other, makes it too difficult to read. | 12:26 |
| Nicd- | well, I guess then you need to set up ntpd yourself | 12:27 |
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| ballock | Nicd-: I'd prefer to ignore the timezone from the GSM network and just show me the UTC. | 12:30 |
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| ballock | ntpd is not best suited for this use case | 12:30 |
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| r0kk3rz | you can do that i think | 12:35 |
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| r0kk3rz | on android phones at least, not sure about jolla | 12:36 |
| r0kk3rz | jolla doesnt seem to have the same options, on android you can untick 'automatically set time zone' and select your own | 12:37 |
| r0kk3rz | ntp would work fine though, wouldnt use much mobile data | 12:39 |
| Aard | we do have ntp on the device, but it seems that we don't have a setting for "please use ntp, not NITZ" | 12:40 |
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| r0kk3rz | its fairly rare these days to have cell coverage with no data | 12:40 |
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| ggabriel | you probably don't want to use data while roaming | 12:40 |
| ggabriel | and roaming is when you mostly want the date/time to change :) | 12:41 |
| r0kk3rz | but ballock doesnt want it to change, thats the whole point | 12:41 |
| ggabriel | just the timezone? | 12:41 |
| r0kk3rz | no | 12:41 |
| r0kk3rz | stay at UTC, but synced | 12:42 |
| r0kk3rz | so it doesnt wander | 12:42 |
| ggabriel | right | 12:42 |
| ggabriel | yeah, no option for that in sailfish | 12:42 |
| ggabriel | corner case though | 12:42 |
| ggabriel | although that's how i like my computresses to behave | 12:42 |
| Aard | ballock: you _may_ be able to get that configured manually. NITZ is handled by timed, so you could check if you can manually change what timed does. ntp client is the one from within connman, which is supposed to be used as backup source if NITZ fails (but I'd need to check how reliably that works, and if you could trigger that by telling timed not to do NITZ at all) | 12:44 |
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| r0kk3rz | Aard: would be nice to have NTP as an option in the GUI, might throw it up on TJC to see what people thing | 12:46 |
| r0kk3rz | think | 12:46 |
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| ballock | Aard: thanks, I'll try fiddling with that | 12:50 |
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| sledges | show some RTs to the author \o/ https://twitter.com/dpurgin/status/527509583946711041 | 12:59 |
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| r0kk3rz | thats bee a long time in the making | 13:10 |
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| Nicd- | r0kk3rz: they only just enabled some APIs for it in U9 afaik | 13:11 |
| Nicd- | anyway, I guess I finally have to install warehouse since that would be the third app I have from openrepos | 13:12 |
| Nicd- | getting too much of a chore to update them manually | 13:12 |
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| chem|st | either my battery is now completely gone bogus or since 1.1 I have double the idle consumption | 13:15 |
| r0kk3rz | well yeah i know about the api situation | 13:15 |
| chem|st | what was to look at for exact stats? | 13:15 |
| r0kk3rz | its a great example of DIT | 13:15 |
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| teve | chem|st: upower -d ? | 13:17 |
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| sledges | any TJC admins here? could you make this as best accepted answer instead: https://together.jolla.com/question/5008/call-recording-app/#post-id-61319 | 13:21 |
| sledges | thanks! | 13:21 |
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| Nicd- | I accepted it | 13:22 |
| Nicd- | doesn't need an admin to do that | 13:23 |
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| sledges | Nicd-: to me it says "Sorry, only moderators or original author of the question - ortylp - can accept or unaccept the best answer" | 13:26 |
| Nicd- | was the accepted answer changed? | 13:27 |
| Nicd- | if you refresh the pagae | 13:27 |
| Nicd- | page* | 13:27 |
| sledges | yes | 13:28 |
| sledges | :} | 13:29 |
| Nicd- | well, I can change it :D | 13:29 |
| Nicd- | I think there's a karma limit | 13:29 |
| Nicd- | but I would assume you have more | 13:29 |
| chem|st | teve: ta | 13:30 |
| sledges | Nicd-: im not that active on tjc nor karma whore :D | 13:31 |
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| Nicd- | neither am I :P | 13:32 |
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| chem|st | sledges: seems I am the karma whore here... | 13:32 |
| sledges | i remember that term from venemo saying it:)) | 13:33 |
| sledges | my one's 66 | 13:33 |
| chem|st | I think you need >75 for advanced things | 13:34 |
| * sledges feels like playing a video game | 13:34 | |
| Nicd- | oh, mine is 825 or something | 13:34 |
| Nicd- | dunno where it all came from | 13:35 |
| chem|st | can anyone pastebin his upower -d stats preferably around 85% | 13:35 |
| ggabriel | my karma is >4000, i feel slutty... | 13:35 |
| chem|st | in QIIIA manner, "You took the lead!" | 13:36 |
| meklu | never seen it spelled that way | 13:36 |
| tadzik | me neither | 13:37 |
| meklu | you wasted two perfectly good bytes :( | 13:37 |
| pp_ | just suggest impossible things and promote them everywhere | 13:37 |
| pp_ | "Free pony with purchase of TOH" | 13:37 |
| tadzik | ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ JOLLA PLS TOHKBD | 13:37 |
| ggabriel | i'm seriously considering tohkbd2 | 13:38 |
| ggabriel | even if the phone "gets old" | 13:38 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: not for that price | 13:38 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: price is high, yes | 13:38 |
| chem|st | meklu: I can waste even more bytes | 13:38 |
| ggabriel | but it is affordable to me | 13:38 |
| ggabriel | i waste money in less important things | 13:39 |
| chem|st | how do I calibrate the battery? | 13:39 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: for example, i'd gladly give you my upower -d if i had a physical keyboard | 13:39 |
| ggabriel | but now it's a bit of a faff [to do while i theoretically work] | 13:39 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: how about your energy-full value? | 13:40 |
| ggabriel | that i can do | 13:40 |
| chem|st | and rate maybe | 13:40 |
| chem|st | my capacity says 90% | 13:40 |
| ggabriel | 7.98Wh | 13:40 |
| pp_ | heh, I would have 90% now | 13:40 |
| ggabriel | 0.704461W respecdtively | 13:41 |
| ggabriel | 67% battery left | 13:41 |
| pp_ | ... either need a usb cable or some wlan trickery | 13:41 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: idle? | 13:41 |
| ggabriel | time to empty is a bit funny | 13:41 |
| ggabriel | what do you mean by idle? | 13:41 |
| chem|st | disconnected etc | 13:42 |
| ggabriel | oh, yeah, disconnected, nothing running except me scrolling the terminal | 13:42 |
| chem|st | my device uses 100mW more than yours... | 13:42 |
| pp_ | http://pastebin.com/sPD55ziv like this? | 13:42 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: android on? | 13:43 |
| chem|st | installed yes but nothing running, let me see what stopped service has... | 13:43 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: i have it installed and always stop aliendalvik.service and aliendalvik.path | 13:44 |
| chem|st | pp_: your capacity is even lower than mine... | 13:44 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: the time we are talking I lost 2% | 13:45 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: sounds like something is consuming a lot in your device | 13:45 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: rate did not change with service stopped | 13:45 |
| ggabriel | did you try powertop? | 13:45 |
| chem|st | how do I get powertop to do that oldschool collecting? | 13:46 |
| ggabriel | beyond my experience, but i think there's a tjc article about it | 13:46 |
| chem|st | well with powertop running I have 1.4W, without I have 0.78W | 13:47 |
| meklu | energy-full: 7.56998 | 13:47 |
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| chem|st | my rate history does not show anything below 0.77W | 13:49 |
| chem|st | I am on 4G, lets see what 2G has | 13:50 |
| chem|st | 0.72W | 13:51 |
| chem|st | display off is 0.013 | 13:52 |
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| chem|st | I guess it is automatic brightness that keeps changing frequently | 13:55 |
| chem|st | 0.61W with fixed brightness on 2G | 13:56 |
| chem|st | but still my idle (disconnected, sleeping) is 2x what it used to be | 13:57 |
| chem|st | 0.64W on 4G | 14:01 |
| chem|st | and still the question, how do I calibrate the battery? | 14:01 |
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| r0kk3rz | usual method I guess | 14:33 |
| r0kk3rz | charge it full, run it flat, charge it full again | 14:33 |
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| mornfall | hmm | 15:48 |
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| mornfall | update 9 release notes mentioned a new utility | 15:48 |
| mornfall | any idea where it is? | 15:48 |
| ggabriel | i'm curious now | 15:50 |
| ggabriel | which utility | 15:50 |
| teve | it's in store | 15:51 |
| mornfall | I must be blind... | 15:51 |
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| teve | sailfish utilities | 15:52 |
| mornfall | which category? | 15:52 |
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| mornfall | ok it shows up in search | 15:52 |
| mornfall | but not under new apps or the jolla toplevel category | 15:53 |
| Yaniel | it goes into settings -> system | 15:54 |
| ggabriel | o i c, sailfish utilities, nice | 15:54 |
| mornfall | yeah... I still can't find it in the store other than search | 15:54 |
| Yaniel | and yes I haven't figured out where it is supposed to be in store | 15:54 |
| * cb400f can't find it, guess it requires 1.1.x update to be installed | 15:54 | |
| Yaniel | yes | 15:55 |
| mornfall | hmm, too bad it can't *stop* alien | 15:55 |
| mornfall | or reboot the device | 15:56 |
| ggabriel | you can use the terminal for that | 15:56 |
| mornfall | sure | 15:56 |
| ggabriel | same | 15:56 |
| ggabriel | :P | 15:56 |
| mornfall | I can use terminal for everything else, too | 15:56 |
| cb400f | there's a reboot/shutdown app | 15:56 |
| mornfall | actually I don't need a phone at all now you mention it :P | 15:56 |
| ggabriel | bwahaha | 15:56 |
| * cb400f likes ... saves pushing evil physical buttons | 15:56 | |
| mornfall | I know there's a shutdown app, and alien control app | 15:57 |
| ggabriel | tohkbd2 apparently has the ability to bind a .sh to a hotkey | 15:57 |
| ggabriel | i like that | 15:57 |
| mornfall | it's just stupid to need extra apps for that | 15:57 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: you can bind .sh to the launcher as well, or use it as a shortcut app in the lockscreen pulley | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | true | 15:58 |
| mornfall | openrepos is full of packages like that | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | mmm | 15:58 |
| mornfall | still | 15:58 |
| mornfall | unsatisfactory :) | 15:58 |
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| mornfall | what I actually want is a toggle shortcut in settings for alien | 16:00 |
| mornfall | maybe there's one on openrepos... there is one for torch | 16:00 |
| * mornfall checks | 16:00 | |
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| mornfall | no such luck | 16:10 |
| * SK_work need to think of releasing the android switch | 16:11 | |
| ggabriel | a switch to kill _all_ android? | 16:12 |
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| ggabriel | i like that | 16:12 |
| ggabriel | a bit like fight club | 16:12 |
| Aard | sledges: ? | 16:12 |
| Aard | err, SK_work ? | 16:12 |
| SK_work | Aard: ? | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 16:12 |
| mornfall | ggabriel: yes, aliendalvik.service... | 16:12 |
| alpertti | hi does anybody have a same problem as i do that recovering the jolla doesnt make more space ? | 16:12 |
| SK_work | ggabriel: something I wrote that systemctl stop aliendalvik.service | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | isn't that in the sailfish utilities thing? | 16:13 |
| SK_work | Stskeeps: is it ? | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | or was that just restart | 16:13 |
| Yaniel | alpertti: the btrfs problem? | 16:13 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: restart only | 16:13 |
| Yaniel | (where there is no space even though the memory "is not full") | 16:13 |
| mornfall | Stskeeps: also, sailfish-utilities buttons can't be turned into shortcuts | 16:14 |
| alpertti | @Yaniel do you mean that my phone is trapped in bootloop ? | 16:14 |
| Yaniel | no | 16:14 |
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| Yaniel | I mean that it says no space left even though there should be | 16:14 |
| mornfall | in fact, I would like the option to stop aliendalvik.service whenever I have no alien apps running | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | sometimes you might have background services though | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | so it becomes difficult to make proper UX for | 16:15 |
| alpertti | Yaniel, so whats your advice what i should to do ? | 16:15 |
| mornfall | otherwise android apps that are installed but not running will go and run behind my back, connect to their home servers and whatnot | 16:15 |
| mornfall | yeah, I exactly want to get rid of background services :-) | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | fair | 16:16 |
| Yaniel | alpertti: https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 16:16 |
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| alpertti | and i also looked jolla's memory from my computer and it also says that there is 1,5gb space left | 16:16 |
| mornfall | alpertti: btrfs free space computation is pretty bogus | 16:17 |
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| mornfall | especially in the ancient version jolla uses, I guess | 16:17 |
| alpertti | alright, thanks !!! | 16:17 |
| mornfall | (although it may never actually work, because of btrfs design) | 16:18 |
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| mornfall | sledges: I have that, but it's such a bother | 16:33 |
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| mornfall | another thing that bothers me: regret timers in lists work only one at a time | 16:46 |
| ggabriel | that's probably ok | 16:46 |
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| mornfall | definitel not ok :-) | 16:46 |
| mornfall | +y | 16:46 |
| ggabriel | maybe what you're really missing is an action that can be applied to many items at the same time | 16:46 |
| mornfall | you delete 3 things, when the first times out all the timers disappear and 2 of the 3 deleted items stick around | 16:47 |
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| ggabriel | because you do it one by one | 16:47 |
| ggabriel | it's annoying | 16:47 |
| mornfall | sure | 16:47 |
| mornfall | there's no other UI | 16:47 |
| ggabriel | i'd rather do it to multiple items | 16:47 |
| ggabriel | yes | 16:47 |
| ggabriel | multiselect | 16:47 |
| ggabriel | like delete emails | 16:47 |
| mornfall | multiselect would need per-app support though | 16:47 |
| ggabriel | you have to implement it, yes | 16:48 |
| mornfall | also, entirely not clear how to trigger an action then... | 16:48 |
| mornfall | right now it's long-press on an item | 16:48 |
| mornfall | doesn't work so well for multiselect | 16:48 |
| ggabriel | mornfall: which application are you talking about and which action? | 16:48 |
| mornfall | disabling repos in warehouse, right now... but it happens everywhere | 16:49 |
| ggabriel | well, then warehouse needs to implement it | 16:49 |
| ggabriel | but you _can_ multiselect in the email application | 16:49 |
| ggabriel | and you _can_ delete multiple items | 16:50 |
| ggabriel | with the same timer | 16:50 |
| ggabriel | so it can be done | 16:50 |
| mornfall | email has a custom view, not a normal silica list | 16:50 |
| ggabriel | ok, so maybe that bit needs to be normalised or something | 16:50 |
| ggabriel | i have no idea how it works under the bonnet | 16:50 |
| r0kk3rz | silica lists are good for getting started | 16:50 |
| r0kk3rz | but for more complicated things you need to roll your own | 16:51 |
| mornfall | which is stupid | 16:51 |
| mornfall | rolling your own leads to inconsistency | 16:51 |
| r0kk3rz | true | 16:51 |
| r0kk3rz | but the silica toolkit is fairly limited at current, implementing only a subset of the qt views | 16:54 |
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| mornfall | oh dear | 16:58 |
| mornfall | ssu rr only works correctly on enabled repos | 16:58 |
| mornfall | that explains everything | 16:59 |
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| Aard | mornfall: 'correctly'? | 17:57 |
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| mornfall | Aard: on a disabled repo, rr doesn't exactly fail -- but it keeps the repo name around, erasing only the URL from it | 17:59 |
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| Aard | mornfall: a custom repo which you added and disabled, or one of the system repos? | 18:01 |
| mornfall | user repos | 18:01 |
| mornfall | I didn't dare trying with system repos | 18:02 |
| Aard | ok. that behaviour is intentional | 18:02 |
| mornfall | uh? | 18:02 |
| mornfall | very confusing | 18:03 |
| Aard | disabling (=blacklisting) a repo and removing are two different things. keeping the blacklist entry makes it sure you don't run into unexpected surprises if it was a repo coming from a 3rd party package and will get transparently added back | 18:03 |
| mornfall | nothing about 'disabled' gives a hint that it is a blacklist | 18:04 |
| Aard | it's kind of implied by how the repo management works (but admittedly not clear if you don't know the internals) | 18:05 |
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| mornfall | I don't think I understand the rationale... do disabled repos have any impact on package management? | 18:06 |
| Aard | yes, you don't get updates from those repos, worst case even a complete update may fail if dependencies can't be satisfied | 18:06 |
| mornfall | what I mean is -- what is the difference between a disabled repo and a disabled repo with no URL? | 18:06 |
| Aard | if you add a repository with the same name back it'll remain disabled until you explicitely enable it again | 18:07 |
| mornfall | I would understand if rr on a disabled repo said "not doing anything because repo disabled, use nukerepo" | 18:08 |
| Aard | well, it does something -- it removes the repo configuration :) | 18:08 |
| mornfall | but a disabled repo with an URL can be re-enabled by addrepository? | 18:08 |
| Aard | with enablerepository | 18:08 |
| mornfall | so can be a repo without an URL | 18:08 |
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| mornfall | I'm asking for a difference between disabled-with-URL vs disabled-no-URL | 18:08 |
| mornfall | what does rr on a disabled repo actually *mean*? | 18:09 |
| Aard | remove the repository configuration, but keep it in the blacklist | 18:09 |
| mornfall | sounds like "forget this URL that is having no effect" | 18:09 |
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| Aard | but I notice that there is a bug -- ssu er on a disabled repo without url should make all traces of it go away, but currently does nothing | 18:10 |
| mornfall | but the repository configuration of a disabled repo *does nothing* so removing it makes no difference at all (other than the empty column in listrepo), right? | 18:10 |
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| Aard | yes | 18:10 |
| mornfall | it enables the repo actually | 18:10 |
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| mornfall | at which point you can rr it | 18:10 |
| Aard | no, it does not enable it, because it has an empty url | 18:10 |
| mornfall | then where did the repos I er+rr'd go? | 18:10 |
| Aard | I just tested on my device. add repo, disable, rr -> it's in disabled state without url, and can't be removed from ssu cli | 18:11 |
| mornfall | oh, I see | 18:12 |
| mornfall | ssu er on a URL-less repo nukes it | 18:12 |
| Aard | unless you add an url again, then you can enable it and remove it | 18:12 |
| mornfall | and ssu rr on a non-existent repo prints no error | 18:12 |
| Aard | which version of ssu do you have? | 18:12 |
| mornfall | doesn't tell (no --version) | 18:13 |
| mornfall | ssu-0.39.6-1.16.12.armv7hl | 18:13 |
| mornfall | (rpm -q) | 18:13 |
| Aard | hm. wtf. now it works for me as well (er nukes it). wtf | 18:13 |
| mornfall | it's very confusing :-) | 18:14 |
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| Aard | anyway, usually repos should come from the main configuration. ar/rr/er/dr operate on a 'user overlay'. you can ar a system repository, and by doing so override its url | 18:15 |
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| mornfall | well, I guess the CLI also serves as an API, which may explain why is the CLI so counterintiutive | 18:16 |
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| mornfall | but I don't think anything would have been lost by making it make sense :P | 18:17 |
| mornfall | (simply changing rr to be a no-op with a warning would not change any behaviour that I can think of) | 18:18 |
| mornfall | (for disabled repos that is) | 18:18 |
| Aard | well, disabling a repo makes sure it stays disabled, until you explicitely enable it again. no matter what you do in between | 18:19 |
| Aard | I probably can add a warning there | 18:19 |
| Aard | it might already be a noop in that case | 18:19 |
| mornfall | it'd be good if it could not drop the URL too :-) | 18:19 |
| mornfall | because that's basically *the* piece of info that you would want to see when trying to figure out why it's disabled | 18:19 |
| Aard | but you said to remove it (=remove the url) | 18:19 |
| mornfall | I said remove the *repo* | 18:19 |
| mornfall | I don't care about the url :-) | 18:20 |
| mornfall | the url is not doing anything -- the repo name is blocking the name | 18:20 |
| Aard | but the url is what makes the repo in there | 18:20 |
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| Aard | the repo _names_ are quite important in the ssu setup, the urls not so much | 18:20 |
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| mornfall | right, but you gain nothing by removing an URL (other than lose information) | 18:21 |
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| mornfall | rr dropping the URL may make sense from the implementation's internal point of view | 18:22 |
| mornfall | if you represent this as a bunch of name->url mappings and a separate disabled-repo list | 18:22 |
| mornfall | but from the user POV, it makes no sense whatsoever | 18:22 |
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| mornfall | (if that encoding is what you internally use, it's not conveyed into the user interface in any way, and probably for a good reason) | 18:23 |
| mornfall | well, I know, computers are built from leaky abstractions... but still :-) | 18:24 |
| Aard | what I'll do is: if you do an rr on a disabled repo it'll print a note that the repository is still blacklisted, but repo details removed. so if you wanted to completely remove it you can do it in this step | 18:24 |
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| Aard | not sure if that helps your case | 18:24 |
| mornfall | well, it will save a considerable SNAFU moment to the next person | 18:25 |
| mornfall | :-) | 18:25 |
| mornfall | or to myself next year when I have forgotten all about this | 18:25 |
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| Aard | the ssu repo management commands are mainly supposed to be an rnd tool, to override existing repos or add development repos | 18:26 |
| Aard | for app repos the feature system of ssu should be used, but that's unfortunately not fully finished yet :) | 18:26 |
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| Kiranos | oh what I would like to have openrepos apps in jolla store | 18:43 |
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| M4rtinK | if you count the number of apps | 18:44 |
| M4rtinK | OpenRepos is pretty much _the_ Jolla store :) | 18:44 |
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| M4rtinK | I might have one or two from Harbour, all others from OpenRepos | 18:45 |
| Kiranos | I have not installed any third party repos afraid to destory my phone when I update official phone "firmware" | 18:46 |
| Kiranos | but there are so many good apps in openrepos but I'm affraid it will overwrite /usr/bin binarys and corrupt | 18:46 |
| M4rtinK | I would say that is unlikely unless you start updating system component | 18:46 |
| M4rtinK | *components | 18:47 |
| M4rtinK | like the updated bash from NielDK | 18:47 |
| M4rtinK | I have about any remotely interesting app from OpenRepos installed and I had no issues with any of the updates | 18:48 |
| M4rtinK | I think worst case is that the apps from OpenRepos can stop working after an update due to using unstable interfaces | 18:48 |
| M4rtinK | but that's about it | 18:49 |
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| Aard | since repo isolation is in it should be quite harmless | 18:52 |
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| M4rtinK | well, any scriptlets still run as root :) | 18:54 |
| AL13N | true that | 18:54 |
| Aard | that is the install part, not the update part :) | 18:54 |
| M4rtinK | but I think any funky behavior in those would be caught quickly & the corresponding package dumped | 18:54 |
| AL13N | which is why i only have certified harbor apps | 18:54 |
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| M4rtinK | well, Harbor QA has exactly 0% chance finding any user-mode logical bombs | 18:55 |
| M4rtinK | in the submitted binaries | 18:55 |
| M4rtinK | it might not instabrick your device, but can do a lot of other nasty stuff | 18:56 |
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| M4rtinK | until stuff is being built from source like in normal Linux distros | 18:57 |
| M4rtinK | we don't have much assurance either way | 18:57 |
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| just4info__ | what are the major flaws of the jolla phone right now? | 19:17 |
| r0kk3rz | have you bought one yet just4info__ ? | 19:21 |
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| just4info__ | r0kk3rz, not yet, a few fellow students and me decided to give it a go, while browsing through variouse reviews we noticed that the 1 month update cycle made most of them pretty much obsolete. While we are aware of it's awesome functionality we'd like to know about it's flaws too. | 19:25 |
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| r0kk3rz | you've got two days left on the 100e off deal ;P | 19:27 |
| ballock | just4info__: it still doesn't make coffee. Triggering remote coffee machines doesn't count. | 19:28 |
| just4info__ | r0kk3rz, so far we decided to work on a improved other halfe which carries a battery + we'll develop a java desktop client for sending sms via the pc. we are kinda wondering what else has to be done | 19:28 |
| ballock | I haven't seen a single CoffeeMaker TOH yet. | 19:28 |
| r0kk3rz | like you've already found out, the software side is a moving target | 19:29 |
| just4info__ | r0kk3rz, oh only two days? thought it might last a little longer, thanks for the information! | 19:29 |
| r0kk3rz | comman is still a bit rocky, but the last update has improved some things | 19:29 |
| r0kk3rz | the only major issue hardware wise is the battery connection | 19:30 |
| just4info__ | r0kk3rz, what's wrong with it? | 19:30 |
| r0kk3rz | it seems to act differently for different people | 19:31 |
| just4info__ | means? | 19:31 |
| r0kk3rz | it depends on your location, network carrier | 19:31 |
| just4info__ | r0kk3rz, what does this have todo with the battery? | 19:32 |
| r0kk3rz | oh the battery | 19:32 |
| r0kk3rz | after a while the phone might start to suddenly reboot | 19:33 |
| r0kk3rz | until you clean the battery terminals using various different methods | 19:33 |
| r0kk3rz | i just slid the battery against the pins a few times and it fixed it for me | 19:33 |
| just4info__ | r0kk3rz, any idea why that's the case? | 19:34 |
| r0kk3rz | there are a few running theories about it, but nothing concrete | 19:34 |
| M4rtinK | there could very well be multiple factors at play | 19:34 |
| M4rtinK | low level android blobs segfaulting | 19:35 |
| just4info__ | how often does it happen? | 19:35 |
| just4info__ | M4rtinK, means it comes down to a software issue? | 19:35 |
| M4rtinK | shutdown due to erroneous battery temperature measurements | 19:35 |
| M4rtinK | or hardware issues | 19:35 |
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| just4info__ | ahh i see | 19:35 |
| M4rtinK | just4info__: not only & could be combined | 19:36 |
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| just4info__ | and about how often does this happen? | 19:36 |
| r0kk3rz | YMMV basically | 19:36 |
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| M4rtinK | we might be seeing unrelated causes that all result in a shutdown/reboot | 19:37 |
| just4info__ | r0kk3rz, ymmv? | 19:37 |
| M4rtinK | pretty much | 19:37 |
| M4rtinK | I haven't had it in the beginning | 19:37 |
| r0kk3rz | your mileage may vary | 19:37 |
| just4info__ | i see | 19:37 |
| M4rtinK | that had it happen quite often before the latest (opt-in) update | 19:37 |
| M4rtinK | and not had it since | 19:37 |
| just4info__ | M4rtinK, hum but this makes it sound a lot like a software problem | 19:38 |
| M4rtinK | on a related note, my Android running HP TouchPad seems to do that too from time to time :) | 19:38 |
| M4rtinK | but does not do that on webOS | 19:39 |
| M4rtinK | so I personally blame the Android hardware adaptation bits :) | 19:39 |
| r0kk3rz | point is, nobody really knows why it happens, could be hardware, could be software, could be both | 19:39 |
| M4rtinK | just4info__: still better than unfixable hardware issues I guess :) | 19:39 |
| just4info__ | well i could live with it maybe once a week, on a daily base it would be a no-go =/ | 19:39 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe they can work around the hardware issues in the software | 19:39 |
| r0kk3rz | who knows | 19:39 |
| r0kk3rz | not once a week, it started happening to me when my phone was maybe 2 months old | 19:40 |
| r0kk3rz | and i fixed it in a pub in germany | 19:40 |
| r0kk3rz | ie, immediately | 19:40 |
| just4info__ | r0kk3rz, and when did it happen next? | 19:40 |
| M4rtinK | so worst case you need to go to a German pub :) | 19:40 |
| r0kk3rz | hasnt reoccured yet | 19:40 |
| r0kk3rz | and its been a month or so now | 19:41 |
| just4info__ | sounds good, and the german pub shouldn't be a problem | 19:41 |
| just4info__ | r0kk3rz, when exactly does the 100€ discount run out (in your time zone) | 19:42 |
| r0kk3rz | ummm, im sure it said 2nd of nov | 19:42 |
| r0kk3rz | if you want a code, let me know :) | 19:43 |
| just4info__ | 0:00 or 23:59? | 19:43 |
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| r0kk3rz | doesnt say | 19:43 |
| r0kk3rz | just says 2nd nov | 19:43 |
| just4info__ | a mate of me already got one, but feel free to hand me yours, just in case the other one makes troubles. We'll buy arround 2-3 demo units over it | 19:44 |
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| r0kk3rz | you know the deal about the covers? | 19:45 |
| just4info__ | nope? | 19:45 |
| r0kk3rz | basically if a code is used, the person who was sent the code gets an aloe TOH cover | 19:46 |
| r0kk3rz | but only one | 19:46 |
| r0kk3rz | so if you want to buy multiple phones, use multiple codes and then people get free stuff | 19:46 |
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| just4info__ | r0kk3rz, well the TOH's in the store are currently not having a functional usage right? | 19:47 |
| r0kk3rz | nah they're just NFC covers | 19:47 |
| r0kk3rz | but free stuff is free | 19:48 |
| just4info__ | indeed | 19:48 |
| r0kk3rz | also means I can hack it apart and use it as a prototype | 19:48 |
| r0kk3rz | without paying 35e for the privelege | 19:49 |
| just4info__ | hope that the black cover looks good :P | 19:50 |
| r0kk3rz | hah | 19:53 |
| r0kk3rz | ive only got the white one | 19:53 |
| r0kk3rz | tried to 3d print myself one but I think the printer I was using wasnt quite calibrated properly | 19:54 |
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| just4info__ | well what we are definitly looking into is printing a cover to hold a battery | 19:54 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah people have done that | 19:59 |
| r0kk3rz | but you know its more than just a battery though right? | 19:59 |
| just4info__ | r0kk3rz, well i don't like their solutions yet tbh, i want a software switch rather than a hardware one | 19:59 |
| just4info__ | i know that it could do a way more, but i won't need anything else | 20:00 |
| r0kk3rz | you can have a software switch | 20:00 |
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| r0kk3rz | using the 3v as a relay | 20:00 |
| r0kk3rz | or the int pin | 20:00 |
| r0kk3rz | but you still need to step up the voltage and provide your own charging socket | 20:01 |
| just4info__ | yep, i'm (sadly) aware of that | 20:01 |
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| topiasv | So I got banned on whatsapp for using mitäkuuluu | 21:16 |
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| just4info__ | Toxip, banned for protecting your privacy? what a nightmare! | 21:20 |
| Sail0r | ! | 21:21 |
| Shinryuu | wait.. banned on whatsapp for using mitäkuuluu? | 21:21 |
| Shinryuu | what is this? | 21:22 |
| just4info__ | mitäkuuluu is an alternate whatsapp client if i'm right | 21:22 |
| Shinryuu | I use it with my phone | 21:22 |
| just4info__ | unlike the whatsapp client it locks facebook out of your phone | 21:22 |
| Shinryuu | well, I don't use facebook | 21:23 |
| just4info__ | whatsapp was bought by facebook a while ago if i remember it right | 21:23 |
| Shinryuu | yeah | 21:23 |
| Shinryuu | but that ban thing is just.. | 21:23 |
| just4info__ | means you are basicly using it =P | 21:23 |
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| just4info__ | tbh i think it's a good thing, noone should use such insecure ways to communicate | 21:24 |
| Shinryuu | well, no one I really know are willing to use irc | 21:24 |
| just4info__ | hope they ban more customers, means the problem will solve itselfe | 21:25 |
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| just4info__ | pff there are alternatives | 21:25 |
| just4info__ | i myselfe still stick to sms :P | 21:27 |
| Shinryuu | I'll stick with irc only then | 21:27 |
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| just4info__ | sounds good | 21:29 |
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