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| Cazou | Hey ! I cannot find a fastboot driver for windows (neither for linux anyway) I was wondering how I am supposed to use fastboot with the Jolla device :/ | 06:42 |
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| Jope | as an end-user, you aren't supposed to be using fastboot | 06:50 |
| Jope | or I can't really think of anything you could do with it | 06:51 |
| Jope | but I must admit I haven't been following the blogs / together that closely lately. | 06:51 |
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| Cazou | Jope: Maybe I am not just an end user :D | 07:00 |
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| pp_ | :-) | 07:02 |
| Jope | in that case you would have solved the problem already :-) | 07:02 |
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| pp_ | so what is the safest way of booting your own kernel?-) | 07:04 |
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| Jonni | pp_: Cazou: any generic android fastboot driver would work. But by default device is locked. You can unlock bootloader from recovery mode, which enables you to use fastboot to boot your own kernel. (unlocking bootloader is not recomended for normal users). | 07:07 |
| pp_ | yup, need to enable a few options for systemtap it seems :-) | 07:09 |
| pp_ | (and to get debug syms) | 07:09 |
| Cazou | Jope: I should already have, i know :( | 07:13 |
| Cazou | Jonni: it is unlocked and in fastboot mode, but Windows 8.1 won't load any driver. I'll try more on archlinux later, when I get a hand on my computer | 07:14 |
| Jonni | Cazou: dont know about windows, works in Ubuntu Linux for me. | 07:15 |
| Cazou | Jonni: "Won't work with Windows 8" (TM) | 07:16 |
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| Jope | well I didn't say this but download the google fastboot driver and edit the vid + pid in the inf? | 07:17 |
| Jope | that's how it's done for every other fastboot device in the world at least.. | 07:17 |
| Jonni | well I've seen fastboot working on windows too. But like jope said you might need to edit vid/pid stuff. | 07:17 |
| Jonni | which means that you have easier life if you use Linux. | 07:18 |
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| Pawky | duh.... how do you get past a boot loop? | 07:40 |
| Nicd- | remove the battery for 10 min | 07:40 |
| Pawky | seriously? | 07:40 |
| Pawky | why would that fix the problem? | 07:40 |
| Pawky | I assume its something in fstab.. | 07:40 |
| Nicd- | try it and see | 07:41 |
| Pawky | what do you mean will happen when doing so? | 07:41 |
| Nicd- | the boot loop might have to do with the rebooting hardware problem | 07:41 |
| Nicd- | afaik some hw watchdogs are reset | 07:41 |
| Nicd- | after a certain amount of time without battery | 07:41 |
| stephg | yep | 07:42 |
| Pawky | nah... in my case its probably because I have moved the Alien Dalvik stuff to my sd card.. | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | recovery mode | 07:42 |
| Pawky | ok.. how to achieve that? :-) | 07:42 |
| lainwir3d | hi | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-pc-users-recover-or-reset-a-device-that-is-stuck-in-boot-loop/ | 07:43 |
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| Pawky | gives connection refused :-( | 07:50 |
| Pawky | got the ip though :-) | 07:51 |
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| Pawky | aha... got ssh... but whats the default password for nemo? | 07:51 |
| Nicd- | it's the one you set in developer mode settings. don't know what it is if you never enabled developer mode | 07:52 |
| Pawky | i did... | 07:52 |
| Pawky | i did... | 07:53 |
| stephg | you did? | 07:53 |
| Pawky | but that password magically does NOT work now.. | 07:53 |
| Pawky | yes.. | 07:53 |
| SK_work | Pawky: change it ? | 07:53 |
| Pawky | SK_work: like how so? | 07:54 |
| SK_work | Pawky: change the ssh password in dev mode ? | 07:54 |
| Pawky | SK_work: ok.. how so, when my phone is boot looping? :-) | 07:54 |
| Nicd- | Pawky: you can't telnet in? | 07:54 |
| SK_work | Pawky: aww | 07:54 |
| SK_work | Pawky: connect with recovery ? | 07:54 |
| Pawky | SK_work: I am connecting in recovery, and the only ports open are 22 | 07:55 |
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| Nicd- | Pawky: did you try 'telnet 10.42.66.66'? | 07:55 |
| SK_work | Pawky: you need telnet | 07:55 |
| Pawky | yes, but it makes no sence as the telnet port is closed... | 07:56 |
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| Nicd- | telnet did not work? are you using the usb ethernet interface? | 07:57 |
| Jonni | is 22 is responding then most likely you booted into developer mode and not recovery | 07:57 |
| Jonni | is=if | 07:57 |
| Pawky | well.. so I thought... i do have the 10.42.66.67, but I just noticed the ssh is the port on my computer... | 07:57 |
| Pawky | ok.... ehh... yeah of course thats my computer :-) | 07:58 |
| stephg | :) | 07:58 |
| Pawky | B-).... sneaking away... | 07:58 |
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| stephg | we've all been there :) | 07:58 |
| Pawky | got root... | 07:59 |
| Pawky | but is there a way to get a terminal... i believe I need to fix the fstab | 07:59 |
| Pawky | ahh.. 4) | 07:59 |
| Pawky | why do I void warranty for a shell??? | 08:00 |
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| Pawky | It's such a cool phone.. | 08:00 |
| SK_work | Pawky: you void guarantee if you breaks everything | 08:00 |
| Pawky | SK_work: I assume damage was already done when enabling dev mode.. | 08:01 |
| SK_work | Pawky: what kind of damage ? | 08:02 |
| Pawky | figure of speach... | 08:02 |
| Pawky | speech | 08:03 |
| Pawky | hmm.... am I right this is actually not my real /etc/fstab I am viewing righ now?... | 08:03 |
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| SK_work | Pawky: you need to chroot into your "root" | 08:03 |
| SK_work | right now you are in the recovery's root | 08:04 |
| Pawky | thought so... | 08:04 |
| SK_work | mkdir /mnt/rootfs && mount /dev/mmcblk0p28 /mnt/rootfs && chroot /mnt/rootfs | 08:04 |
| SK_work | :) | 08:04 |
| Pawky | well.. can't chroot into that one.. | 08:06 |
| Pawky | thats my home partition.. | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | chroot is a bit difficult without mounting proc and sys and dev too | 08:06 |
| Pawky | Stskeeps: true... | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | anyhow | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | mount -o subvolid=0 wasn't it | 08:07 |
| Pawky | probably just need to patch fstab, no real chroot needed.. | 08:07 |
| SK_work | Pawky: well true | 08:07 |
| Pawky | Stskeeps: got me a tiny bit lost here.. | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | mount -o subvolid=0 /dev/mmcblk0p28 /mnt/rootfs | 08:07 |
| Pawky | Stskeeps: ahh ok.. | 08:08 |
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| Pawky | duh... what are those @ ? | 08:09 |
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| Stskeeps | @home is what you'll want | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | or @/etc/fstab | 08:09 |
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| Pawky | is @ jolla specific... or is my linux knowledge getting a bit outdated? | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | btfs | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | btrfs | 08:10 |
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| Pawky | the reason for my troubles is, I did that move alien dalvik stuff to your btrfs sd trick.. | 08:11 |
| Pawky | it didn't state what to put in the fstab though... any suggestions? | 08:11 |
| Pawky | I did the subvolume stuff of /media/data etc.. | 08:12 |
| Pawky | I believe my problem is I forgot to put it into fstab.. | 08:12 |
| Pawky | and I am a tiny bit vary what to put into fstab... | 08:12 |
| Pawky | obviously btrfs is not my field of expertise.... yet.... :-( | 08:13 |
| pp_ | btrfs is scary | 08:14 |
| Pawky | pp_: yes, but also really cool | 08:14 |
| pp_ | yup, my 400GB PCI-E btrfs raid0 is quite nice :-) | 08:16 |
| Pawky | has anyone done that alien dalvik to sd card thing? | 08:18 |
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| Pawky | could I do like init 5 or something once I have chooted the thing? :-) | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | sync; reboot -f ? | 08:22 |
| Pawky | Stskeeps: but then I loose my chroot.. | 08:23 |
| Pawky | I just want to boot while chrooted | 08:23 |
| Pawky | :q | 08:23 |
| Pawky | :-) | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | no. | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:23 |
| Pawky | Stskeeps: Am I assuming right you haven't done the move android data to sd right? | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | no, it sounds risky | 08:25 |
| Pawky | well.. its a copy.. shouldn't be too risky.. | 08:25 |
| Pawky | but, the question is, will the phone boot loop if having any trouble with the alien dalvik? | 08:26 |
| Pawky | shouldn't it just boot a bit degraded? | 08:26 |
| ballock | as we're on btrfs and using sd card | 08:27 |
| Pawky | ballock: yes? | 08:27 |
| ballock | What's the parameters of the internal mmc? | 08:27 |
| ballock | Like: what kind of SD card would I need to get to get performance on par with that | 08:27 |
| ballock | so that I could simply extend the root btrfs filesystem with an SD card? | 08:28 |
| Pawky | ballock: like.. what type of internal card is it using at the moment? | 08:28 |
| ballock | I mean Jolla generally, and I mean the internal flash exported as /dev/mmc0 | 08:29 |
| Pawky | no clue... | 08:29 |
| ballock | (or mmcblk0 that was) | 08:29 |
| ballock | Stskeeps would know | 08:29 |
| ballock | :) | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | ballock: i don't remember offhand but class 10 isn't a bad assumption | 08:29 |
| ballock | I guess it's some kind of special for small block writes? | 08:30 |
| Pawky | ok, now to some nube question.. how do I get the UUID of my external sd card? | 08:30 |
| Pawky | I assume I need that to mount the partition somehow.. | 08:30 |
| ballock | ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid | 08:30 |
| meklu | ^ | 08:30 |
| Pawky | doesnt exist | 08:30 |
| meklu | that's certainly interesting | 08:31 |
| Pawky | it surely is.. | 08:31 |
| Pawky | never seen that before.. | 08:31 |
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| Pawky | then again... what have I seen in this world?.... | 08:31 |
| ballock | I guess you don't run udev then? | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | there's no udev in recovery mode. | 08:31 |
| Pawky | explains it.. | 08:32 |
| Pawky | so.. whats my pick? | 08:32 |
| ballock | what'ya got there? ext4? | 08:32 |
| Pawky | i am a tiny bit lost of the syntax to put into my fstab for my btrfs sd card | 08:32 |
| Pawky | and its sub volumes.. | 08:32 |
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| ballock | on my 3.16 machine it shows up in dmesg, so you can try dmesg |grep -i btrfs | 08:34 |
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| ballock | Pawky: if you created your btrfs on the sd without any subvolumes or whatsoever | 08:35 |
| ballock | you'll have just a single / volume there, and that would be the default volume | 08:36 |
| Pawky | ballock: I have sub volumes.. | 08:36 |
| Pawky | I did this: | 08:36 |
| ballock | so you can skip the subvol= option in fstab | 08:36 |
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| Pawky | https://together.jolla.com/question/40802/how-to-format-your-usd-card-to-btrfs-and-share-space-with-android/ | 08:36 |
| Pawky | and... rebooted.. | 08:36 |
| ballock | Did you read this part: | 08:37 |
| ballock | "detailed cmds use at your own risk" | 08:37 |
| Pawky | ballock: ha ha.. very funny... It doesn't state... use and destroy.. does it? | 08:37 |
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| ballock | ok, so you've got a 'jolla' and 'android' subvols in there | 08:38 |
| Pawky | your own risk means, you probably have to fix things if things go a bit woshy.. and thats where I am at.. | 08:38 |
| Pawky | yes | 08:38 |
| ballock | so the way you create fstab entries | 08:38 |
| Pawky | there is one question though.. | 08:38 |
| ballock | is... damn, systemd-style fstab or regular one? | 08:39 |
| Pawky | in that description he talks all the time about /dev/mmcblk1 whilst the partion is /dev/mmcblk1p1... how come? | 08:39 |
| Pawky | regular one | 08:39 |
| Pawky | luckily for us old timers. ;-) | 08:39 |
| ballock | He never created any partitions on the SD | 08:39 |
| Pawky | you should try it, its great fun :-D | 08:39 |
| ballock | thus he does not have the first partition, skips the mbr and just treats the whole of the SD as the partition | 08:40 |
| Pawky | ok.. | 08:40 |
| Pawky | well I asume I aldeady had the MBR then and thats why I got it under p1 | 08:40 |
| Pawky | (everybody nods... "hes certainly no partion expert, that pawky... ") | 08:41 |
| ballock | This should work: | 08:41 |
| Pawky | I assume all I need to do is to get the partion at boot time.. | 08:41 |
| ballock | UUID=[your partition UUID= /mountpoint btrfs ssd,subvol=jolla 0 1 | 08:42 |
| Pawky | I believe that guys andoirdsdcard.service is not working properly at the moment.. | 08:42 |
| Pawky | ballock: true.. but I have no UUID :-( none where found when grepping) | 08:42 |
| ballock | you can try /dev/mmcblk1p1 then | 08:43 |
| Pawky | :-) | 08:43 |
| Pawky | Thats what I suspected.. | 08:43 |
| ballock | Alternatively, take it out of the phone, put it into a Linux machine and read /dev/disk/by-uuid | 08:43 |
| meklu | systemd, the init that sticks you in a boot loop if you have an erroneous service file :) | 08:44 |
| Pawky | meklu: ? | 08:44 |
| meklu | just a general complaint about systemd | 08:44 |
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| Pawky | :-/ | 08:45 |
| meklu | at least it used to do that when I first installed it on my desktop | 08:45 |
| AL13N_work | anyone here have an android phone? | 08:45 |
| AL13N_work | it seems i cannot install apps anymore | 08:45 |
| Pawky | does jolla count? | 08:45 |
| AL13N_work | google play? | 08:45 |
| * meklu had a 2.3 phone | 08:45 | |
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| AL13N_work | it seems to complain that i need to enter credit card info | 08:45 |
| AL13N_work | i used to complain | 08:45 |
| AL13N_work | but now it doesn't proceed | 08:45 |
| Pawky | AL13N_work: isnt there an old article on that on together.jolla.com? | 08:46 |
| AL13N_work | so i can't install any apps anymore | 08:46 |
| AL13N_work | this morning i could install 1 free app and then google play looked different (probably updated itself) | 08:46 |
| AL13N_work | (i don't have andriod apps on my jolla) | 08:46 |
| AL13N_work | but, this is scandalous, right? you agree? | 08:47 |
| Pawky | which part? | 08:47 |
| Pawky | you wanting to use android, or not having apps on jolla? | 08:47 |
| ballock | Yes. Software should have no bugs! It's scandalous that it has. | 08:47 |
| tadzik | wanting your credit card number scandalous? | 08:48 |
| AL13N_work | Pawky: i got the android from work, and i needed to install something from my boss | 08:48 |
| AL13N_work | all of the above, really | 08:48 |
| tadzik | The fact that they pretend that they don't already have it is just a bizzare UX | 08:48 |
| AL13N_work | well, i don't have a credit card | 08:48 |
| AL13N_work | so | 08:48 |
| AL13N_work | i can't install any apps anymore | 08:48 |
| AL13N_work | piece of crap | 08:49 |
| ballock | But I'm also against owning a user by the application. | 08:49 |
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| tadzik | well, you'll sure not have it the other way around... ;) | 08:49 |
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| ballock | Well, I think I still have this in the open-source world. | 08:49 |
| ballock | There are some creeps coming in here and there | 08:50 |
| tadzik | when there's no service behind the app and you actually get the app and not the right to install it, sure | 08:50 |
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| ballock | but the general ecosystem is still healthy | 08:50 |
| ballock | It's almost a year and I still don't feel to own the Sailfish OS on my Jolla. | 08:51 |
| ballock | I haven't booted to rescue yet, tweaked with the bootloader, toasted the systemd as Pawky did | 08:52 |
| ballock | exchanged the software pieces etc | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | you're getting old? | 08:52 |
| Pawky | ballock:welcome to the club :-) | 08:52 |
| ballock | Damn, that might be it. | 08:52 |
| Pawky | well.. tried the btrfs recover as well.. still boot looping.. | 08:52 |
| Pawky | i am a bit unsure why though... | 08:52 |
| Pawky | if the subvolume doesn't get mounted, it should happily find the original directory and boot.. | 08:53 |
| Pawky | could it be something completely different "quote monty python"? | 08:53 |
| Pawky | I love jolla, its such an easy phone to work with :-) no hazzle, no aegis.. | 08:54 |
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| ballock | I am doing progress, though. I already mastered btrfs, introduced that to my armv5 NAS device and cheap Compact-Flash based historical hardware | 08:55 |
| ballock | I mastered U-boot on my imx53 and the NAS device too | 08:56 |
| ballock | I can handle MTD offsets, though Jolla has regular mmc block device | 08:56 |
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| ballock | So my stumblers on Jolla that are left is systemd, RPM and pkcon, and Wayland. | 08:57 |
| ballock | I come from Debian world, and RPM packaging is a wide topic, though I know some of it by now. pkcon is weird. | 08:58 |
| ballock | Wayland and systemd... well. I will get systemd one way or the other in Debian too. Perhaps I should start that off with Jessie. | 08:59 |
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| r0kk3rz | you probably wont have to do too much with wayland, but systemd is probably worth learning | 09:00 |
| r0kk3rz | since its already everywhere | 09:00 |
| ballock | What's cool is that all of this was on the device long before I got to use it on a full-blown (read: easier and more familiar) desktop device | 09:00 |
| Pawky | ballock: what is your suggestion getting my phone to boot again, looking upon that description on together, am I right its probably that androidsdcard.service stuff that needs to be moved? | 09:01 |
| Pawky | systemd is yet a mystery to me as well.. | 09:01 |
| ballock | "everywhere"? Well, none of the systems I use have systemd aside Jolla. | 09:01 |
| ballock | And I've got a couple of thousands of them. | 09:01 |
| Pawky | hording? ;-) | 09:02 |
| Pawky | (hoarding) | 09:02 |
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| ballock | Pawky: If I were you, I would try to bring back the original state, and see if it boots correctly | 09:03 |
| Pawky | ballock: thats what I am slowly doing.. though i don't really know what an "old state" would be.. | 09:04 |
| ballock | If you don't want to do a factory reset, but can get the files back, then you should be good (if it boots afterwards) | 09:04 |
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| Pawky | all thats done is creating two partions on the sd card, and mounted a subvolume over /data/media | 09:04 |
| ballock | Yeah, it looks like that. | 09:04 |
| ballock | Try moving the androidsdcard.service out of the way | 09:04 |
| r0kk3rz | well its in debian, redhat, ubuntu, arch, suse ... | 09:05 |
| r0kk3rz | thats pretty much everywhere | 09:05 |
| r0kk3rz | just because you havent dist-upgraded yet | 09:05 |
| ballock | r0kk3rz: you forgot the version qulifier | 09:05 |
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| ballock | but yes, I know | 09:05 |
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| ballock | and yes, it's just a question of time | 09:05 |
| ballock | Pawky: if it boots afterwards, | 09:06 |
| ballock | I would first try to create a similar service, but mount it to some arbitrarily unneeded location | 09:06 |
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| ballock | like /bullshit | 09:06 |
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| ballock | (just make a dir first) | 09:06 |
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| ballock | so to check if it's a problem with mounting or with mounting to /data/media | 09:07 |
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| Pawky | ballock: i did just that.. no luck yet | 09:07 |
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| Pawky | ballock: the removikng of that service file i meant | 09:07 |
| ballock | Cuase if it does not boot without the SD card (try removing it just in case there was something in the kernel), and without the service | 09:08 |
| Pawky | I am cleaning up fstab at the moment, and will try a boot from that. | 09:08 |
| ballock | then you broke something else on the way. | 09:08 |
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| Pawky | ballock: might be, but a bit unlikely.. | 09:08 |
| Pawky | (i hate the absence of vim!) | 09:09 |
| ballock | there's vi which I believe to be vim | 09:09 |
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| ballock | but not in android recovery, no | 09:09 |
| Pawky | am I right everything under /data/media should be media_rw:media_rw? | 09:12 |
| Pawky | still boot looping :'( | 09:12 |
| ballock | You can try to see if that was the case in the factory image | 09:13 |
| ballock | mount /dev/mmcblk0p28 /factory -o subvol=factory-@ | 09:14 |
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| ballock | sorry | 09:14 |
| ballock | mount /dev/mmcblk0p28 /factory -o subvol=factory-@,ro | 09:14 |
| ballock | don't mount it read-write as otherwise you may toast your factory reset | 09:14 |
| ballock | btw | 09:14 |
| ballock | Stskeeps: why is the factory-@ subvolume not a read-only snapshot? | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | we might want to update it at some point? | 09:15 |
| Pawky | ballock: nope doesn't boot without sd as well :-( but whats your idea with mounting factory? I mean, I can mount the current partition fine in recovery | 09:16 |
| Pawky | do you mean i should patch fstab to boot factory? | 09:16 |
| ballock | then you create a read-write subvoolue from the ro snapshot, edit, snapshot and rename? | 09:16 |
| ballock | Pawky: I meant that you can mount /dev/mmcblk0p28 in two directories | 09:17 |
| ballock | say, /factory and /custom | 09:18 |
| ballock | with subvol=factory-@ and subvol=@ | 09:18 |
| Pawky | ballock: ahh.. and compare? | 09:18 |
| ballock | and yes | 09:18 |
| Pawky | will do... | 09:18 |
| ballock | That would tell you what might be broken | 09:18 |
| ballock | Of course, you can always perform a factory reset, which is easier | 09:18 |
| ballock | but less adventurous | 09:19 |
| ballock | :p | 09:19 |
| ballock | and be sure to add "ro" when mounting factory-@ | 09:20 |
| ballock | just in case; well you don't want to alter atime on the factory image, right? | 09:21 |
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| ballock | Does Jolla support sdxc? | 09:51 |
| ballock | (I know this has been asked already) | 09:51 |
| ballock | darn, why am I asking that | 09:51 |
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| ballock | nvm | 09:52 |
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| pdanek | ballock: I think it might, but not guaranteed | 10:10 |
| pdanek | depends on card | 10:10 |
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| pdanek | 64G is guarantee | 10:10 |
| ballock | oh, so https://together.jolla.com/question/34087/wiki-microsd-microsdhc-microsdxc-card/ is not totally authoritative | 10:10 |
| ballock | oh, size quantifier | 10:10 |
| Nicd- | well, there are no 128 GB microsd cards on the market yet so it's hard to guarantee they'll work :P | 10:11 |
| Nicd- | well, apparently there are now. didn't use to be last winter | 10:12 |
| ggabriel | i thikn i've seen 256GB ones... | 10:12 |
| ballock | oh, cool. I found some internal flash test https://together.jolla.com/question/25286/are-the-data-buses-for-microsd-and-internal-flash-separate/ | 10:13 |
| ballock | ~12MB/s | 10:13 |
| ballock | sequentail write | 10:13 |
| ballock | that doesn't seem like a lot, I should be able to find a comparable SD card | 10:13 |
| Nicd- | ggabriel: no, not yet | 10:14 |
| ggabriel | true, there are some, but not microsd | 10:15 |
| Nicd- | of course, that doesn't stop you from buying some from china: http://yixinhong.en.made-in-china.com/product/QXVxFhpJORkH/China-High-Speed-256GB-Micro-SD-Card-Class10-YXH028-.html ;) | 10:15 |
| ggabriel | the price tho | 10:15 |
| ggabriel | china has 1TB ones i heard | 10:15 |
| ggabriel | nanosd format | 10:16 |
| ggabriel | class 200 | 10:16 |
| ggabriel | give me money through paypal money back gurantee | 10:16 |
| ggabriel | ah well, jokes aside, we'll probably have 256GB soon on microsd | 10:16 |
| ggabriel | not sure how i'd fill up so much space | 10:16 |
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| Nicd- | some fakes on ebay too: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ssc=1&_nkw=256gb+micro+sd+card&_sop=15 | 10:17 |
| Pawky | ballock: cannot mount factory ro... | 10:17 |
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| Pawky | ahh.. mount -o remount,ro :-) | 10:24 |
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| Pawky | what the hell.. its still boot looping.. now I replaced the fstab with the one in factory.. | 10:38 |
| Pawky | what else could it be??? | 10:38 |
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| Pawky | hmmm... why is my /home/nemo/android_storage empty?.... | 10:45 |
| Pawky | is that a good or a bad thing? | 10:45 |
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| Shinryuu | I don't use android stuff with Jolla so I have no idea about that thing | 10:48 |
| Pawky | well.. all I want is to escape the boot loop.. | 10:49 |
| Shinryuu | mhh | 10:50 |
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| Pawky | looking upon the systemboot.log, i have http://pastebin.com/9ZWeWz06 | 10:51 |
| Pawky | it contains lots of these... | 10:51 |
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| Shinryuu | c__C | 10:53 |
| Pawky | why does the /usr/sbin/mce issue a shutdown request? | 10:53 |
| Shinryuu | how did this issue appear? | 10:53 |
| Pawky | I followed this.. https://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-pc-users-recover-or-reset-a-device-that-is-stuck-in-boot-loop/ | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | just factory reset your device at this point? | 10:53 |
| Pawky | but didn't reboot until a few days later... until then it happily worked.. | 10:54 |
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| Pawky | The android happily used the stuff on the sdcard.. | 10:54 |
| Pawky | now I have reset the fstab, removed the androidsdcard.service file, but it still will not boot | 10:54 |
| gexc | one of my colleagues is interested in jolla, not sure if I should encourage him to get one though | 10:55 |
| Pawky | so, if the fstab is stock (directly copied from factory), and the file removed, what on earth makes things go haywire? | 10:55 |
| Pawky | gexc: why does he want it? | 10:56 |
| Shinryuu | gexc: if he loves to fiddle with things = then yeah baby! | 10:56 |
| Pawky | i believe one does need to have a positive atitude towards jolla, linux etc.. | 10:56 |
| gexc | it seems he likes the design :) | 10:56 |
| Pawky | I second that | 10:56 |
| Pawky | design guys -> iPhone | 10:57 |
| Shinryuu | this poppy red looks too bright | 10:57 |
| gexc | however it's f*cking China here :-/ | 10:57 |
| Pawky | sounds like my future | 10:57 |
| tadzik | should've bought The First One :P | 10:57 |
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| gexc | still some rough edges :-/ | 10:57 |
| Pawky | any one knowing why /usr/sbin/mce does issue shutdown request aright after boot? | 10:57 |
| Pawky | ohh.. ehh.. that was probably the last real shutdown i did before it started to boot loop | 10:58 |
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| Pawky | duh? why does /var/log have opensuse stuff such as the YaST2 directory ? | 11:00 |
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| ballock | Pawky: heritage | 11:09 |
| Pawky | cool... | 11:10 |
| Pawky | any ideas regarding my looping phone? | 11:10 |
| Pawky | fstab is now copied from factory.. | 11:10 |
| Pawky | I am supecting EFI is not finding the partition.. or equivalent | 11:10 |
| Pawky | i am no EFI guy though.. | 11:10 |
| ballock | Well, try backing up and resetting to factory then. | 11:10 |
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| Pawky | what needs to be backed up? it keeps home I hope? | 11:11 |
| ballock | You can try doing that with mounting with subvol=/, renaming @ to @-borked | 11:11 |
| ballock | and running a btrfs subvolume snapshot factory-@ @ | 11:11 |
| ballock | that should bring everything but your /home back to factory | 11:12 |
| ballock | If it does not boot, well... | 11:12 |
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| Pawky | ballock: how much of a risky business would you say that is? | 11:29 |
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| ballock | Pawky: I would do it. But I would actually have a dd'ed copy of /dev/mmcblk0p28 on my desktop before even attempting what you did. | 11:30 |
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| ballock | I did this before updating btrfs-progs to 3.16 | 11:31 |
| Pawky | ballock: but all I did earlier was fiddle with my own 64gb sd card, and then mounting over /data/media | 11:31 |
| Pawky | The only thing I did touch root whise was the fstab... :-( | 11:31 |
| Pawky | and put in that androidsdcard.service | 11:32 |
| ballock | Pawky: Well, unaware of the consequences, you unleashed the evil that was hiding inside it. | 11:32 |
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| Pawky | aegis? | 11:32 |
| Pawky | :-P | 11:32 |
| * ponky saw himself speaking | 11:33 | |
| clau | out-of-body experience? | 11:35 |
| * ballock did not see ponky speaking | 11:35 | |
| Pawky | ballock: but seriously, could you give me a hint what else could go wrong? I am very much suspecting EFI... is there a way to fiddle with that? | 11:35 |
| Pawky | it was such a long time ago I did it.. | 11:35 |
| ponky | it's Ponky, usually | 11:35 |
| ballock | Ponky: your nick looks like ponky, though | 11:36 |
| Pawky | ponkys nick is ponky... | 11:37 |
| ballock | Pawky: I don't know what you mean. Does the device have EFI? I thought it would have a regular ARM-style U-boot. | 11:37 |
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| Pawky | yeah.. i think i saw this when looking with fdisk | 11:37 |
| ballock | Pawky: Why not drop in, let's meet at a pub and hack the device? | 11:38 |
| Pawky | sounds great :-) | 11:39 |
| ggabriel | alcohol and hacking... | 11:39 |
| Pawky | but I assume you are half around the globe or similar.... | 11:39 |
| ballock | So, this time the alcohol-hacking session's gonna be in Wrocław :) | 11:39 |
| Pawky | sounds like... Poland? | 11:39 |
| ballock | I know of no other Wrocław than the one in Poland. | 11:40 |
| Pawky | :-) | 11:40 |
| ballock | So, how far is it? | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | Pawky: where in poland? i'm in warsaw | 11:41 |
| ballock | A friend of mine hosts a Hackerspace here in Wrocław. | 11:42 |
| ballock | Stskeeps: I think Pawky is currently buying tickets. | 11:44 |
| ballock | his IP address looks like Sweden | 11:45 |
| Pawky | ballock: stockholm Wroclaw?... about.. 1000km? | 11:45 |
| ballock | take an (air)bus | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | cycle | 11:46 |
| Pawky | 1422 to be exakt.. | 11:46 |
| ballock | watercycle! | 11:46 |
| Nicd- | take the Wasa by sea to Poland | 11:46 |
| Pawky | ggabriel: done that, been there ;-) | 11:46 |
| Pawky | bicycled to Prag, on the way back through Poland.. | 11:47 |
| ggabriel | nice | 11:47 |
| Pawky | :-) | 11:47 |
| Pawky | actually, i did probably bicycle through wroclaw | 11:47 |
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| ballock | you could have stopped by, now you can only go back in time, and tell yourself to drop a note on the IRC | 11:48 |
| ballock | and get a beer :p | 11:48 |
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| ggabriel | ballock: i'm impressed that you can think of beer at this time of the day (or maybe i drank too much yesterday) | 11:50 |
| ballock | ggabriel: it's past noon. | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | ok, perhaps the latter then | 11:51 |
| ballock | Besides, thinking about a woman is not rape yet. | 11:51 |
| ballock | or... is not an act of rape? | 11:51 |
| ballock | But I didn't drink yesterday, honestly! | 11:51 |
| Pawky | at least we went through poznan, towards swinujscie | 11:52 |
| Pawky | ballock: /dev/mmcblk0p1 1 266306 2147483647+ ee EFI GPT | 11:52 |
| Pawky | looks like EFI? | 11:52 |
| ballock | Looks like an EFI partition table. | 11:52 |
| ballock | see http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2012-August/132263.html | 11:54 |
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| ballock | It seems U-boot perfectly supports the (EFI) G Partitioning Table | 11:55 |
| ballock | and, MBR is overrated, why are you supposed to have a DOS-style partitioning table on a mobile device? | 11:56 |
| Pawky | ballock: nope after snapshot, its still boot looping... (with sd card removed) | 11:56 |
| Pawky | ggabriel: wroclaw isnt to far of checkia, with great beer :-) | 11:56 |
| ballock | so @ is now a snapshot from factory-@? | 11:57 |
| Pawky | ballock: was that a rethorical question? | 11:57 |
| Pawky | yes.. | 11:57 |
| ballock | Pawky: Did I hear correctly that you had bootloop issues in the past already? | 11:58 |
| Pawky | as you wrote... | 11:58 |
| Pawky | nope.. never had | 11:58 |
| Pawky | just got it this morning, which I kind of expected as I made this android data to sd card switch and was weary about wether this btrfs partition would be mounted correctly after a boot | 11:59 |
| Pawky | but now the fstab is in its original state, thus android will happily find all its stuff in its original position | 12:04 |
| * Pawky interestingly thought i created the file chrootme, only to misspell it to chootme... :-P | 12:04 | |
| Pawky | hope my phone doesn't take it to litterary | 12:04 |
| Pawky | how does one go about checking/fixing efi issues on this phone? | 12:04 |
| Pawky | if there is any .. | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | we don't have efi | 12:04 |
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| Pawky | WTF? isnt vi in factory? | 12:05 |
| Pawky | Stskeeps: but the partition seems to state so...? | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | ah, you mean GPT | 12:06 |
| Pawky | yes... | 12:06 |
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| Pawky | if ... vi is not in factory... then what is there to use as a text editor? | 12:07 |
| Yaniel | vim | 12:07 |
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| ggabriel | ed :P | 12:08 |
| Pawky | Yaniel: very funny... | 12:08 |
| Yaniel | I'm serious | 12:08 |
| Pawky | neither vim, ed , nano or what have seems to exist from the cloned factory partition | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | sed? | 12:08 |
| Pawky | ggabriel: yeah.. echo, sed, cat and what have you.. honestly? | 12:09 |
| ggabriel | well, i had to resort to that in the past... | 12:09 |
| Pawky | i thought vi came with the phone.. | 12:09 |
| ggabriel | it does | 12:10 |
| Yaniel | with dev mode maybe? | 12:10 |
| Pawky | I am thinking, could somehow the UUID have changed on the disk, and this causing the boot issues? if so, how do I get hold of its current UUID, its not in dmesg | 12:10 |
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| Pawky | Yaniel: wont I need to boot to set the dev mode? | 12:10 |
| ggabriel | uuid generally doesn't change | 12:11 |
| Yaniel | pretty much | 12:11 |
| Pawky | ggabriel: true, but if it would, i would be in trouble.. as I have not done much, i have no other ideas why it wont boot.. | 12:12 |
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| Pawky | Yaniel: May I recomend a good song "There's a hole in the bucket" for you? :-/ | 12:12 |
| ballock | Pawky: try changing journalctl to write to persistent storage, get into bootloop, then try to read off it | 12:12 |
| ballock | I need to get back to my day job, sorry, I might be away from IRC. | 12:13 |
| Pawky | ballock: that sounds like a cool idea.. | 12:13 |
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| Pawky | cool thanks by the way | 12:13 |
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| Pawky | Jonni: you have always saved me when having boot issues, any ideas? :-) | 12:17 |
| meklu | to have UUID stuff work, you'd probably need to have the /dev/disk/by-uuid/ device node symlinks in order | 12:17 |
| meklu | by the time PID 1 kicks in | 12:18 |
| meklu | or the init | 12:18 |
| meklu | ech | 12:18 |
| Pawky | meklu: cant I just change it to /dev/mmcblk0p1 ? | 12:18 |
| Pawky | for the time being? | 12:18 |
| ballock | Pawky: now you're risking | 12:18 |
| Jonni | Pawky: well recovery menu has shell, and you should be able to mount and fix issues from there and/or run btrfs balance | 12:19 |
| Pawky | ok, ill guess thats a no no then.. | 12:19 |
| Jonni | Pawky: and do no not touch mmcblk0p1 as then your in deep shit :) | 12:20 |
| ballock | no no. Besides, root sits on /dev/mmcblk0p28 | 12:20 |
| Jonni | p28 is the rootfs | 12:20 |
| Pawky | Jonni: I am already in the shell, and fiddling around with btrfs, everything looks ok.. i even changed to run from a copy of factory, but it still will not boot | 12:20 |
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| eyea_UK | jolla )0!1@ Yoh | 12:21 |
| eyea_UK | p | 12:21 |
| Pawky | ballock: just a thought... aren't the logs on the @ actually the last ones? I mean rescue doesn't write there does it? | 12:21 |
| Jonni | Pawky: and you have tried to mount @home and @root an they work? | 12:21 |
| Pawky | Jonni: yes.. when mounting | 12:21 |
| Pawky | but it just wont boot | 12:21 |
| Pawky | it loops.. | 12:21 |
| ballock | Pawky: journalctl save the log to ram by default | 12:21 |
| Pawky | ballock: ohh... uhh.. ok | 12:22 |
| ballock | so ain't gonna get shit after a bootloop | 12:22 |
| Jonni | Pawky: and you have runned that btrfs reset from the menu? | 12:22 |
| Pawky | yes.. | 12:22 |
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| Pawky | numbe 5 on the menue | 12:22 |
| Pawky | so.. it all looks ok.. fstab etc.. i can mount and chroot to it.. everybody's happy, until trying to boot | 12:22 |
| ballock | Pawky: you can try doing the same with @home snapshot, I guess some service may require consistency between nemo user home data and root | 12:22 |
| Pawky | ballock: thats a great idea :-) | 12:23 |
| ballock | actually, that's like factory reset\ | 12:23 |
| Pawky | ballock: well.. but doing a snapshot will make me be able to get the stuff back right? | 12:24 |
| ballock | just keeping your data as hidden subvolumes | 12:24 |
| Pawky | just mounting the @home-borked again? | 12:24 |
| ballock | yes | 12:24 |
| Pawky | :-) | 12:24 |
| Pawky | as i thought... he he... | 12:24 |
| ballock | But be wise - backup anyway. | 12:24 |
| AL13N_work | :-) | 12:24 |
| Pawky | hmm.. | 12:24 |
| ggabriel | backup? how do you pronounce that? | 12:25 |
| AL13N_work | ie: walking backwards | 12:25 |
| ballock | It sounds like Brzęczyszczykiewicz. | 12:25 |
| AL13N_work | welsh | 12:26 |
| AL13N_work | ah no, welsh had no vowels, right? | 12:26 |
| ballock | When you manage to say Brzęczyszczykiewicz, backup is just one step ahead. | 12:26 |
| AL13N_work | lol | 12:26 |
| ggabriel | better stay away from that then ;) | 12:28 |
| ballock | When I sent my Jolla for care, I already knew the factory image was borked due to btrfs checksum errors on it. | 12:28 |
| ballock | And *honestly*: it wasn't me! | 12:28 |
| Pawky | ballock: how to chech checksum errors? | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | i've got a Brzeczyszczykiewicz of the first partitions | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | as in first versions | 12:28 |
| ballock | btrfs scrub | 12:29 |
| Pawky | would be in dmesg right? | 12:29 |
| AL13N_work | journal should log checksum errors, and probably scrub | 12:29 |
| ballock | But don't run it. | 12:29 |
| Pawky | ballock: because? | 12:29 |
| ballock | The version on Jolla might be too ancient. | 12:29 |
| AL13N_work | i don't think scrub has ever been really damaging... | 12:29 |
| ggabriel | sailfish's btrfs is old indeed | 12:29 |
| ballock | I first dd-ed the image to a 3.16 machine and then tried anything. | 12:29 |
| AL13N_work | well, btrfs is old, because kernel is old | 12:29 |
| ggabriel | AL13N_work: tomatoes, potatoes :) | 12:30 |
| Pawky | ia m old... | 12:30 |
| AL13N_work | and kernel is old due to drivers | 12:30 |
| ggabriel | and drivers are old due to google | 12:30 |
| Pawky | atleast i feel old with this new sysctl and chkcofig crap.. | 12:30 |
| ggabriel | (let's shift the blame) | 12:30 |
| AL13N_work | i wish they would put in the patch in btrfs-progs though, that allows to use btrfs-send+receive nicely | 12:30 |
| ballock | And although some guys here worked on that, it's unclear which btrfs version we're running in the kernel | 12:31 |
| AL13N_work | i donno, it looks like a plain kernel version to me | 12:31 |
| AL13N_work | i've used btrfs for a few years now | 12:31 |
| ballock | AL13N_work: noooo | 12:31 |
| Pawky | yeeeees | 12:31 |
| ballock | If Jolla was running an unpatched btrfs from 3.4, man, we're doomed/ | 12:32 |
| AL13N_work | why? | 12:32 |
| AL13N_work | iirc only the ENOSPACE was an issue at that point | 12:32 |
| tbr | because it was plain sh*t back then | 12:32 |
| AL13N_work | tbr: how many patches are on top of that? | 12:33 |
| ballock | Anything up to and including 3.13 was totally.. yeah that's a good word | 12:33 |
| ballock | AL13N_work: I updated the btrfs-progs, but that helped not | 12:33 |
| AL13N_work | well, ideally btrfs-progs is at the same feature-level as the kernel btrfs | 12:34 |
| ballock | So you say it's about version? | 12:35 |
| AL13N_work | i'm not a sailor, so i don't have the knowledge | 12:35 |
| Pawky | Jonni: what would happen if I accidentally had a mount point /dev/mmcblk0p1 instead of my sd card /dev/mmcblk1p1 in fstab?.... | 12:35 |
| ballock | AL13N_work: You mentioned the patches on tjc already | 12:35 |
| AL13N_work | the btrfs-progs patches, yeah | 12:35 |
| ballock | AL13N_work: why didn't you try patching it yourself? | 12:36 |
| AL13N_work | if i had the time, i could probably try to get this on mer | 12:36 |
| AL13N_work | time's a bitch | 12:36 |
| * AL13N_work needs more of that | 12:36 | |
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| ballock | I'm married I avoid time | 12:37 |
| Pawky | Jonni: what would happen if I accidentally had a mount point /dev/mmcblk0p1 instead of my sd card /dev/mmcblk1p1 in fstab?.... | 12:37 |
| Pawky | uh.. oh.. i already sent that one.. | 12:37 |
| ballock | Pawky: one of your boot services could have messud up your p1 | 12:37 |
| ballock | internal in Jolla | 12:38 |
| Pawky | ballock: and how to fix it? | 12:38 |
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| ballock | Bring it back from backup? | 12:38 |
| AL13N_work | ballock: you married too? | 12:38 |
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| Pawky | I wonder why no wimen have the name "time" :-P | 12:39 |
| AL13N_work | haha | 12:39 |
| Pawky | (women) | 12:39 |
| Pawky | i have no time, | 12:39 |
| ballock | Yes. I think they're just envious about the time bitch | 12:39 |
| Pawky | i have plenty of time | 12:39 |
| Pawky | time to go | 12:39 |
| AL13N_work | well, with wife + kids + job, it's not easy to spend time on open-source, and jolla isn't the only thing i'm putting time in | 12:39 |
| ballock | they take that time away :p | 12:39 |
| Pawky | time available... | 12:39 |
| Pawky | LOL | 12:39 |
| Pawky | time well spent :-) | 12:39 |
| Pawky | i have no time | 12:39 |
| Pawky | time is of the essence | 12:40 |
| Pawky | would be great.. if i ever get kids, my first daughter will have the name time | 12:40 |
| Pawky | more time in this world :-) | 12:41 |
| Jonni | Pawky: 0p1 is emgdload, so if you accidentally edit that, then there is a danger of perm brick, as only factory flasher can recover those ones (and care points dont have factory cables). So you can only hope that fstab mounter has some checker that if it doesnt regognize the partition then it does not mount it :) | 12:41 |
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| AL13N_work | i wanted to name mine Arya, but my wife didn't agree back then (before GoT was out) | 12:41 |
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| Pawky | Jonni: anyway to check if this has happened? checksum whatever? | 12:42 |
| ballock | But if we're at it, can somebody (Stskeeps?) point us to the btrfs-progs git repo for Jolla? | 12:42 |
| tadzik | heh, I'm thinking about getting a dog and naming it either Dax or Drizzt | 12:42 |
| tadzik | maybe I should get two | 12:42 |
| ballock | There must be one, the version has +git in it. | 12:42 |
| AL13N_work | it's probably the github one with mer-tools | 12:42 |
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| ballock | tadzik: My friend named his cat NUMA. | 12:43 |
| clau | uuu... aptoide store update! and now it says "Unfortunately, Aptoide Appstore has stopped", when I start it. | 12:43 |
| Jonni | Pawky: from recovery menu maybe spawn second shell for dmesg while you run btrfs fix commands. Otherwise jolla care for reflashing. | 12:43 |
| tadzik | haha | 12:43 |
| Nicd- | clau: try again | 12:43 |
| clau | yep, it's ok. | 12:43 |
| Nicd- | mine crashed on the first launch to | 12:43 |
| Nicd- | too* | 12:43 |
| AL13N_work | ballock: NUMA placement failed | 12:43 |
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| ballock | AL13N_work: where's mer-tools git? | 12:44 |
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| clau | there's something wrong with Skype in Aptoide, I get version 5.1.76.50382, but when I try to open it, it says there's no apk | 12:46 |
| clau | I had to install Skype from Yandex | 12:46 |
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| AL13N_work | https://github.com/mer-tools | 12:47 |
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| ballock | nay, no btrfs there | 12:47 |
| ballock | the package was in nemo middleware in OBS | 12:47 |
| ballock | Does that ring any bell? | 12:48 |
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| Pawky | how does one address a btrfs subvolume for doing a backup using dd? | 12:55 |
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| AL13N_work | ballock: i thought the mer/nemo migration was done already? | 13:02 |
| AL13N_work | tbr: ? | 13:02 |
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| Pawky | for christ sake, this factory has really nothing, no tar, no rsync nothing... i hope scp will do as a home backup.. | 13:05 |
| ballock | isn't it busybox? | 13:08 |
| ballock | It's got netcat, that should do everything you need. | 13:08 |
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| AL13N_work | ballock: that reminds me, yesterday i tried netcat to transfer a file, but i got some odd things | 13:09 |
| Pawky | ballock: do you know how to address the @home as a source partition for dd? | 13:09 |
| ballock | Pawky: for dd you address the block device | 13:09 |
| ballock | so you copy all the 16 gigs | 13:09 |
| AL13N_work | nc -l <ip> <port> > file.ext | 13:09 |
| Pawky | ballock: yes.. and what would a sub volume block device look like?.. | 13:09 |
| ballock | there's none | 13:10 |
| AL13N_work | and i did a watch on the file and it grew and shrunk constantly | 13:10 |
| Pawky | :-( | 13:10 |
| Pawky | so.. if using dd i will have to take the whole mmcblock0p28? | 13:10 |
| ballock | Pawky: subvolumes are not block devices | 13:10 |
| Pawky | well netcat is good and all, but then I believ scp will make it a bit easier.. | 13:10 |
| ballock | Yup. That's why AL13N_work and myself want btrfs send to work | 13:10 |
| AL13N_work | incremental | 13:10 |
| Pawky | ballock: true, but i thought one could sneakily address it as one | 13:10 |
| AL13N_work | nope | 13:11 |
| ballock | Pawky: you seem to dislike backup as cats dislike water | 13:11 |
| AL13N_work | ballock: but seriously, how do you do netcat file transfer? | 13:11 |
| ballock | only water your claws? | 13:11 |
| AL13N_work | my wife had a cat when she was little that loved to swim | 13:11 |
| Pawky | ballock: well... I aaaam backing up now... at least home.. | 13:11 |
| AL13N_work | go figure | 13:11 |
| Pawky | I am just scared Jonni might be on to something if i accidentally put mmcblk0p1 instead of mmcblk1p1 in the fstab earlier.... :'( | 13:12 |
| ballock | Pawky: regular files? With cp/scp? Pray God you're not loosing any xattrs or whatsoever! | 13:12 |
| Pawky | because sending my phone away isn't really my coup of tee.. | 13:13 |
| ballock | Oh, wait. scp even updates mtime! | 13:13 |
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| AL13N_work | ballock: it has -a iirc | 13:13 |
| Pawky | ballock: well in the end, its just a home directory... | 13:13 |
| AL13N_work | but if you want more performance, due to the ssl crypto slowness, netcat does the trick | 13:13 |
| Pawky | beyond music, pictures, books and what have you if it needs a reset it will get it and then some... | 13:14 |
| Jonni | netcat pipe of tar.gz does the trick | 13:14 |
| AL13N_work | ballock: Pawky: would it be possible to pipe dd to scp or something? | 13:14 |
| Pawky | Jonni: there is no tar in the factory partition :-( | 13:14 |
| ballock | Pawky: If that's what you're comfortable with - so be it. I sustain my cat analogy, even though AL13N_work's wife's cat. | 13:14 |
| AL13N_work | lol | 13:14 |
| Pawky | ballock: well.. I could do cat ... | 13:15 |
| AL13N_work | i have to say it's one in 30 cats for her, so... | 13:15 |
| Jonni | Pawky: you can always copy tar in there :) | 13:15 |
| ballock | dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 |ssh myhome 'cat >jolla-flash.img' | 13:15 |
| Pawky | but would that make xattrs more happy? | 13:15 |
| Pawky | ballock: shouldnt it be 28? | 13:15 |
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| AL13N_work | he's doing the full disk | 13:15 |
| AL13N_work | not just the partition with btrfs | 13:15 |
| ballock | nah, you can discover the partitions with partprobe afterwards when you losetup the image | 13:16 |
| AL13N_work | ballock: does the recovery have ssh? | 13:17 |
| AL13N_work | i didn't think so | 13:17 |
| Pawky | i wonder if the 42 in the ip address is just a coinsidence... | 13:17 |
| ballock | AL13N_work: regarding netcat file copy: it worked for me most of the time like you mention | 13:17 |
| AL13N_work | heh | 13:17 |
| Jonni | well he cant do full disk ans some areas of blk0 are readonly, so you cannot ever restore blk0 dd copy. | 13:17 |
| ballock | I occasionally had some weird stuff like... | 13:17 |
| Jonni | you can only do backup of p28 | 13:17 |
| ballock | cygwin putting stderr to stdout | 13:17 |
| clau | there's something wrong with aptoide... I just uninstalled it and it still appears in my apps | 13:17 |
| AL13N_work | ballock: the "watch 'du file.img'" did weird things though | 13:17 |
| clau | and I can even start it | 13:17 |
| ballock | that totally twisted my backup | 13:17 |
| AL13N_work | ouch | 13:18 |
| AL13N_work | whatever the case functional btrfs-send will make things much better | 13:19 |
| ballock | AL13N_work: You really want Linux. Windows tools don't do stuff the right way. | 13:19 |
| AL13N_work | preaching to the choir | 13:19 |
| ballock | AL13N_work: but what you say is weird | 13:19 |
| AL13N_work | i've been windowsFree since 2thousandANDThree | 13:19 |
| ballock | nc > file is a stream redirection | 13:19 |
| AL13N_work | ballock: yesterday my collegue was netcatting an image file | 13:20 |
| ballock | it can't shrink | 13:20 |
| AL13N_work | because his rsync was doing only 400kB/s | 13:20 |
| AL13N_work | ballock: i know | 13:20 |
| AL13N_work | the only thing i can think of is EOF stuff or making it start over | 13:20 |
| AL13N_work | i must say that he didn't have netcat-traditional | 13:21 |
| AL13N_work | he had the other one | 13:21 |
| ballock | AL13N_work: yup, I never got btrfs send work reliably through netcat because of this | 13:21 |
| AL13N_work | it was opensuse, so nuff said | 13:21 |
| Pawky | nothing wrong with opensuse :-) | 13:21 |
| AL13N_work | i'll just shut up | 13:21 |
| Pawky | been using it since.... 2003 | 13:21 |
| AL13N_work | been using Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia since 1997 or so | 13:22 |
| AL13N_work | no need for distro-wars | 13:22 |
| Pawky | tried it... but then they went kind of... bust.. | 13:22 |
| Pawky | so i moved to suse | 13:22 |
| AL13N_work | which is why i moved with everyone to Mageia | 13:22 |
| AL13N_work | at the time i was apprenticing for packaging team | 13:23 |
| Pawky | well.. you seem to have left me behind in the trenches.... | 13:23 |
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| Pawky | until ze germans came... with suze :-D | 13:24 |
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| ballock | Yes. Suse was just too good. | 13:33 |
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| ballock | Even their Yast tool covered the cases where somebody would press ctrl-c | 13:34 |
| ballock | while he was supposed to tab to the quit button | 13:34 |
| ballock | It was a little bit stray from the Unix approach, but that was one of the things that made suse look sturdier than the rest. | 13:35 |
| ballock | Are they alive yet? After the Attachmate acquisition they more or less looked like dead. | 13:36 |
| Pawky | damn.. succeded to call the snapshot ?@home | 13:36 |
| ballock | Let me know when you succeed to name it '.' | 13:39 |
| Pawky | ballock: well.. thats where i am at now.. :-( | 13:39 |
| Pawky | or.. i mean, i am trying to rename it.. | 13:39 |
| Pawky | how do i rename it??? | 13:40 |
| ballock | mv? | 13:41 |
| Pawky | i believe that will create a full clone.. | 13:41 |
| Pawky | and it doesnt get the ? part of the name :-/ | 13:42 |
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| Pawky | got fed up... did a #1) factory reset... | 13:56 |
| Pawky | .... | 13:56 |
| Pawky | "Welcomme!" | 13:56 |
| Pawky | :-) | 13:56 |
| ballock | Wow! | 13:56 |
| ballock | check if your snapshots are there | 13:57 |
| Nicd- | now don't touch anything before upgrading to the latest ;) | 13:57 |
| Pawky | i tried all your tricks.. with home and factory and all.. but nope.. | 13:57 |
| Pawky | upgrading? is ther a new version? | 13:57 |
| ballock | factory comes at 1.0.0.0 | 13:57 |
| ballock | or was it 1.0.-1 | 13:57 |
| Nicd- | 1.0.0.5 I think | 13:57 |
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| Pawky | huh... have to install aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..... aaaaalll apps again.. | 14:00 |
| Pawky | ballock: doesn't it get upgraded at the flash? | 14:00 |
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| ballock | "at the flash"? You mean during the upgrade? | 14:02 |
| Pawky | aha? | 14:02 |
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| ballock | I believe my factory image was upgraded after it got flashed at care. All the other cases don't upgrade factory image because.... | 14:03 |
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| ballock | tradadadam.... | 14:03 |
| ballock | It comes from your FACTORY | 14:03 |
| ballock | and not from OTA update | 14:03 |
| Nicd- | afaik they will update the factory reset image in some future version | 14:03 |
| Pawky | I do hope one can upgrade to the latest right away... | 14:04 |
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| ballock | Pawky: nope. | 14:04 |
| Pawky | well.. now atleast people can call me again... | 14:04 |
| Pawky | nope? | 14:04 |
| Pawky | so... whats on the menue now? | 14:04 |
| ballock | nope. | 14:04 |
| Pawky | i hope i can use its own upgrader | 14:04 |
| ballock | Yes. | 14:04 |
| Pawky | :-) | 14:05 |
| Pawky | so, its all about upgrade, and upgrade and upp.... | 14:05 |
| ballock | You can update to 1.0.2, then to 1.0.8... or there's yet another step | 14:05 |
| Nicd- | yeah | 14:05 |
| Pawky | to get it all "back up"..... mohaha haa ha | 14:05 |
| ballock | Pawky: you really *are* scared of water. | 14:05 |
| Pawky | well... thanks Jonni ballock ggabriel and all for your help today I am of to home :-) | 14:06 |
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| r0kk3rz | to opt into uitikka or not | 16:00 |
| clau | what's that? | 16:00 |
| r0kk3rz | update 9 | 16:00 |
| r0kk3rz | they're releasing a developer preview | 16:00 |
| Nicd- | oh | 16:00 |
| clau | I see | 16:01 |
| r0kk3rz | https://together.jolla.com/question/59874/release-notes-opt-in-upgrade-to-software-version-110x-uitukka/ | 16:01 |
| Nicd- | source? | 16:01 |
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| Tegu | Uitukka - UI Hair | 16:01 |
| r0kk3rz | i probably should considering i am an app developer, should make sure that SirenSong works | 16:01 |
| clau | I won't. I can't afford to brick the phone :(. | 16:01 |
| r0kk3rz | clau: it wont brick the phone | 16:01 |
| r0kk3rz | apparently the major outstanding issue is with OOM situations | 16:02 |
| r0kk3rz | which tahkalampi doesnt really behave greatly in anyway | 16:02 |
| coderus | Uitukka opt-in release available: https://together.jolla.com/question/59874/release-notes-opt-in-upgrade-to-software-version-110x-uitukka/ | 16:02 |
| clau | I see. So overall it will be slugish. | 16:04 |
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| Nicd- | damn, now I really have to release sailtime's fix for uitukka | 16:04 |
| r0kk3rz | clau: not overall, just in out of memory situations | 16:05 |
| r0kk3rz | but i'll install it and see what its like | 16:05 |
| r0kk3rz | nicd: what did you have to fix? | 16:06 |
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| Nicd- | r0kk3rz: just making the dialog titles more sensible | 16:07 |
| r0kk3rz | oh right | 16:07 |
| r0kk3rz | sirensong isnt dialog heavy at the moment so its probably fine | 16:08 |
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| louisdk | Sounds like the sluggishness woudn't have been an issue if the Jolla phone had more RAM. | 16:09 |
| Yaniel | it would be more likely to go completely unnoticed even | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | i wish that was remotely the issue | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | the more ram the more you use | 16:10 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, ram is always finite, so you need to be able to handle what happens when you run out | 16:11 |
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| clau | I'll wait for some reports, and maybe update over the weekend. | 16:11 |
| Yaniel | still no japanese IME keyboard? :( | 16:11 |
| louisdk | How many apps will I have to use before it'll behave sluggish? | 16:12 |
| clau | no Romanian keyboard either | 16:12 |
| clau | and I had it on N9 :( | 16:12 |
| clau | btw... any news about Swype-like vkb? | 16:12 |
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| Blizzz | still broken caldav | 16:13 |
| sledges | clau: easy to write your own layout: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91917 | 16:15 |
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| r0kk3rz | jolla should really keep and eye on the community efforts and polish and integrate the code (with permission of course) | 16:34 |
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| ShadowJK | (though there's not much OS can do about browser memory use. Web debs are web devs, unfortunately) | 16:35 |
| ShadowJK | But it'd be cool if jolla email didn't load my entire Maildir into ram ;D | 16:36 |
| Nav | It's be nice if it took notice of the subscription instead of displaying all my no longer subscribed archive folders too.... | 16:37 |
| VDVsx | ShadowJK, unless you have some special version it does not do that :P | 16:39 |
| ShadowJK | it ooms unless I add more swap, so dunno | 16:40 |
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| Morpog_PC | hmm, I have the sluugishness in OOM situations already in Update 8, can it be worse in Update9? | 16:42 |
| * sledges waves back at DrainBamaged | 16:43 | |
| Stskeeps | Morpog_PC: i'd like to use you as guinea pig if it does get worse.. | 16:43 |
| * Morpog_PC googles guinea pig | 16:44 | |
| DrainBamaged | o/ | 16:44 |
| sledges | DrainBamaged: a slight latency in my response there :D | 16:44 |
| DrainBamaged | Not too bad | 16:44 |
| SK_work | Morpog_PC: don't know if it is widespread outside FR / BE but guinea pig always makes me think of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yellow_%22M%22 | 16:45 |
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| Morpog_PC | uuuuh tl;dr :D | 16:46 |
| Morpog_PC | at least I don't recognize it as a german ;D | 16:47 |
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| SK_work | Morpog_PC: too bad | 16:47 |
| SK_work | a really good piece of "comic" | 16:47 |
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| SK_work | (even if the format isn't like the american comics) | 16:47 |
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| pp_ | ooh, shiny :D | 16:54 |
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| TMavica | update?? | 17:04 |
| Morpog_PC | somehow | 17:04 |
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| Stskeeps | if you ask nicely | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:05 |
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| TMavica | no finding | 17:06 |
| TMavica | -.- | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | TMavica: https://together.jolla.com/question/59874/release-notes-opt-in-upgrade-to-software-version-11038-uitukka/ | 17:06 |
| Morpog_PC | TMavica, https://together.jolla.com/question/59874/release-notes-opt-in-upgrade-to-software-version-11038-uitukka/ | 17:06 |
| * Stskeeps was faster than Morpog_PC | 17:07 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:07 |
| pp_ | :-) lessee if it works this time, gmail was changing my vanity email to @gmail.com on me with the last one :-) | 17:07 |
| Morpog_PC | just a few miliseconds :D | 17:07 |
| pp_ | ... supposedly I fixed it by adding the address, but lessee | 17:07 |
| TMavica | 21/10 tomorrow? | 17:07 |
| Morpog_PC | I'm a bit confused, will it be rolled out 20 minutes after opting in, or on 23rd october? | 17:08 |
| Morpog_PC | or both combined? | 17:08 |
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| TMavica | now is 23/10 for me | 17:08 |
| TMavica | lol | 17:08 |
| Morpog_PC | not here ;) | 17:08 |
| TemeV | Morpog_PC: it is available 20 min after opt in | 17:09 |
| TMavica | 32/10 1:09am | 17:09 |
| TemeV | just got mine installed | 17:09 |
| Yaniel | where'd you get 23rd from | 17:09 |
| Morpog_PC | from the very top | 17:09 |
| Morpog_PC | Release date: 23.10.2014 | 17:09 |
| Yaniel | ah there | 17:09 |
| tigeli | praat | 17:09 |
| r0kk3rz | been a looooooong 20min so far | 17:09 |
| Nicd- | I'll wait for a few experiences before opting in | 17:09 |
| Nicd- | because I already have OOM issues | 17:09 |
| Yaniel | I'll wait until weekedn | 17:10 |
| Morpog_PC | Nicd-, it can't get worse, can it? :D | 17:10 |
| Nicd- | Morpog_PC: oh it can ;) | 17:10 |
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| Yaniel | so I have a spare in case something goes wr- oh right, I can't remember the security code to that one | 17:10 |
| Morpog_PC | android firefox is a serious memory killer | 17:10 |
| TMavica | email sent | 17:11 |
| pp_ | update available! | 17:12 |
| pp_ | Go go 4G internet go! | 17:12 |
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| pdanek | Stskeeps: here? | 17:16 |
| ottulo | I'm having trouble downloading the update :/ | 17:16 |
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| ottulo | keeps stopping the download | 17:17 |
| tigeli | ottulo: over wlan/mobile? | 17:17 |
| ottulo | tigeli: 3g | 17:18 |
| coderus | ottulo: its > 200MB | 17:18 |
| ottulo | coderus: I've got 21 mbps connection :P | 17:18 |
| ottulo | and only 10 on wlan | 17:18 |
| coderus | > 300MB | 17:19 |
| pp_ | muahaha, installing update | 17:19 |
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| ottulo | stopped on wlan as well | 17:20 |
| ottulo | and I've got plenty of space | 17:20 |
| ottulo | will try rebooting first... | 17:20 |
| pdanek | Stskeeps: Try to dial: *111*9*1# --> try to activate the service --> it will ask you to input your email address --> how do I write it down on Jolla? I can't input anything but numbers, is it bug, or am I missing something? (I can just copy paste the email from somewhere) | 17:22 |
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| Morpog_PC | downloading it takes ages, seems the servers are hammered | 17:31 |
| * Stskeeps stops torrenting | 17:31 | |
| Morpog_PC | :D | 17:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | getting the update notification takes aages :P | 17:33 |
| Yaniel | are you sure you used the right email address? | 17:34 |
| schmittlauch | Yes, I've been waiting for mine since an hour | 17:34 |
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| Yaniel | it has to be the same you used for your jolla account | 17:34 |
| r0kk3rz | reasonably, its the email that gets all my together notifications | 17:34 |
| Morpog_PC | I've waited like 15 minutes | 17:34 |
| r0kk3rz | 1h30m so far | 17:35 |
| * Mirv running uitukka \o/ | 17:35 | |
| Morpog_PC | maybe first one users get prioritized? | 17:35 |
| schmittlauch | I hope their script which manages the opt-in accepts e-mail addresses including a + | 17:35 |
| ottulo | ok, download went through after reboot, now installing | 17:35 |
| schmittlauch | because many sites and applications haven't read the fucking RFC | 17:36 |
| tigeli | :D | 17:36 |
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| tigeli | schmittlauch: yes we do handle + | 17:37 |
| Yaniel | oh the RFC | 17:37 |
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| Yaniel | such memories | 17:37 |
| TMavica | downloading | 17:37 |
| Mirv | there's something interesting in the scrolling / flicking behavior in uitukka. different, not necessarily worse. | 17:37 |
| Mirv | running Tweetian in this example | 17:37 |
| Yaniel | hmm? | 17:37 |
| schmittlauch | tigeli: I knew you'd do such things right \0/ | 17:38 |
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| Mirv | or maybe it's my fingers being too dry. but the flicking speed would seem different, and sometimes my touch doesn't abort an on-going flick in the same way it used to do before. | 17:38 |
| Mirv | all scrolling is anyway smoother | 17:38 |
| Morpog_PC | Mirv, ever tried the performance governor on old version? | 17:39 |
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| Mirv | Morpog_PC: I did, shortly, when sletta entered in my Jolla at Qt contributor's summit :) but I mostly played with the home screen with that or at least didn't notice anything very different in behavior as such. | 17:41 |
| Morpog_PC | ok, I will soon try it, as soon the update finishes :D | 17:42 |
| Mirv | so, also, doing two flicks in the same direction does not always accelerate it. on the other hand, now that I have Uitukka I probably very rapidly start to forget about how it was before. | 17:43 |
| Mirv | but that all seems to affect how flicking works in eg. Tweetian, but not eg. browser | 17:43 |
| Mirv | anyhow, pretty excited. hopefully the OOM problems will be fixed soon so that everyone can enjoy the new speed. | 17:44 |
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| Morpog_PC | browser is always diffeent | 17:45 |
| Morpog_PC | different | 17:45 |
| Morpog_PC | well, I guess everyone will get Update 10 then | 17:45 |
| * Stskeeps opens a cold one | 17:45 | |
| Scelt | Stskeeps: corpse? | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | beer. | 17:46 |
| Scelt | oh, oooh | 17:46 |
| FireFly | Is it terrbily stupid to update if your blk0p28 partition has 6.31GB used, but btrfs has "claimed" all 13.75GB? | 17:46 |
| Nicd- | you should rebalance first I think | 17:46 |
| FireFly | Okay | 17:47 |
| pp_ | everything I tested in < 5 mins worked fine, yay | 17:47 |
| Nicd- | otherwise all sort of strange stuff might happen | 17:47 |
| Scelt | pp_: +1 | 17:47 |
| * Morpog_PC wonders whs he never had to rebalance yet | 17:47 | |
| Morpog_PC | why | 17:47 |
| pp_ | lessee if I can still crash lipstick at will :D | 17:47 |
| Scelt | damn, the phone is quick! | 17:48 |
| Scelt | maybe after few days it gets back to normal | 17:48 |
| Scelt | usually gotta reboot it once in a week | 17:48 |
| Mirv | oh, after upgrade (and maybe some downloads before it) mine has bumped from 10.07GB now to 12.07 GB used. doh. still some free, though. | 17:48 |
| Yaniel | I wonder how battery life is affected | 17:49 |
| Mirv | 5.5GB free "in reality" | 17:49 |
| pp_ | heh, fixed :P | 17:49 |
| Morpog_PC | Yaniel, why should it? It's the benefit of the new more efficient scenegrapg renderer in Qt 5.2 | 17:50 |
| Yaniel | I was thinking if it has been improved by exactly that | 17:50 |
| Morpog_PC | I guess so | 17:50 |
| * Morpog_PC will try with performance governor to see if there is still a difference | 17:51 | |
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| TMavica | Morpog_PC: I have reset it before updating | 17:53 |
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| Morpog_PC | not sure i like the new dialoge system | 18:03 |
| * FireFly wonders if anyone monitors the e-mails to update9-opt-in just for fun to see what people write | 18:03 | |
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| TMavica | where i can get sailfish utilities? | 18:12 |
| TMavica | cant see in store | 18:12 |
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| Morpog_PC | what kind of wizardry did you guys do on alien-dalvik? It's soooo damn smooth now | 18:14 |
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| kontio | TMavica: you 'see' it in store just if you have update9 (1.1.0.38 uitukka) | 18:16 |
| TMavica | kontio: what the name? | 18:17 |
| Scelt | TMavica: found it with search | 18:18 |
| kontio | TMavica: the name of the release, as usual a name of a lake in Finland | 18:18 |
| Scelt | "sailfish utilies" | 18:18 |
| TMavica | thanks | 18:18 |
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| kontio | ah you meant the name of the 'sailfish utilities'? I thought you mean Uitukka :) sorry | 18:20 |
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| Morpog_PC | gallery is sooo smooth now | 18:28 |
| cb400f | hmm | 18:29 |
| Sail0r | pebbled: symbol lookup error: pebbled: undefined symbol: _ZN11QtBluetooth16QBluetoothSocket16staticMetaObjectE | 18:32 |
| Sail0r | damn | 18:32 |
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| Sail0r | hm I don't like the new visualisation for "there is another page" | 18:33 |
| Sail0r | it looks like the app devs did not align the button right | 18:33 |
| Morpog_PC | oh god, i love the browser | 18:33 |
| Morpog_PC | Sail0r, they used that before in email app | 18:33 |
| tadzik | is it available for The Second Ones too? | 18:34 |
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| tadzik | ah, it's opt-in | 18:34 |
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| * Sail0r is trying carddav support | 18:39 | |
| schmittlauch | If "Utilities" are only shown to people using Uitukka does that mean the store backend is finally able to distinguish between versions? -> Python apps can be put in store soon? | 18:39 |
| M4rtinK | schmittlauch: that we be really nice! :) | 18:40 |
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| M4rtinK | I'm actually in the process of planing what to tweet on the upcoming "one year without Python" anniversary, just in case :) | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:42 |
| Sail0r | I don't understand how carddav is supposed to work ^^ | 18:42 |
| r0kk3rz | sirensong works | 18:45 |
| r0kk3rz | no obvious bugs | 18:45 |
| Sail0r | tasklist,too so my most used apps are working | 18:45 |
| Sail0r | but that pebbled is not working anymore is bad :x | 18:45 |
| r0kk3rz | :( | 18:46 |
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| FireFly | I'm looking forward to try out caldav | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | Sail0r: source of app? | 18:47 |
| Shinryuu | now I'm on Uitukka.. hehe notepad app doesn't have icon when you try to change its position :D | 18:47 |
| schmittlauch | Sail0r: which caldav server? | 18:47 |
| Sail0r | https://github.com/smokku/pebble | 18:47 |
| Sail0r | schmittlauch, owncloud | 18:48 |
| Sail0r | I don't even understand how to configure it at the moment | 18:48 |
| schmittlauch | Sail0r: that used to work for me | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | Sail0r: okay, rpm form?/ | 18:48 |
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| Sail0r | compiled on my dev env | 18:49 |
| Sail0r | @ Stskeeps | 18:49 |
| Sail0r | do i have to upgrade the env? | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, probably need to wait for the sdk | 18:50 |
| Sail0r | k | 18:50 |
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| Morpog_PC | ok, using the performance governor isn't worth it anymore | 18:51 |
| Sail0r | android layer is working too :) | 18:56 |
| Sail0r | ok, so I only need the new SDK to get pebbled running again :) | 18:57 |
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| Nicd- | bahhh I can't wait I have to opt-in | 19:06 |
| Sail0r | Stskeeps, is there a estimated date for the SDK to get updated? Or a optin for new sdk features? | 19:06 |
| Nicd- | Sail0r: "Corresponding SDK release will be available early next week." | 19:08 |
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| Sail0r | ah sry :-/ | 19:09 |
| M4rtinK | shouldn't stuff compiled with the current one still work ? | 19:09 |
| M4rtinK | wouldn't be much binary compatible otherwise :) | 19:10 |
| Sail0r | but maybe libs have changed | 19:11 |
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| M4rtinK | still, that would mean current apes breaking | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: for the apis we promise in harbour | 19:11 |
| M4rtinK | *apps | 19:11 |
| M4rtinK | well right, that could be it | 19:12 |
| Sail0r | bluetooth is not in harbour as far as i know | 19:12 |
| M4rtinK | and that's why I have a fallback for about everything :) | 19:12 |
| M4rtinK | but I have it easier with only Python & QML :) | 19:13 |
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| pdanek | Do you think Gecko is superior to Blink? | 19:19 |
| pdanek | Or not anymore? | 19:19 |
| Yaniel | hardly makes a difference I guess | 19:20 |
| Yaniel | the problem would be xul | 19:20 |
| chris__ | Damn... same problems the email attachments... cant show pics in Email or table list :( | 19:20 |
| rangoy | impressive length of the list of bugfixes :) | 19:23 |
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| M4rtinK | so I can report modRana still works after the update :) | 19:26 |
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| Morpog_PC | oh a new sailfish-browser design | 19:53 |
| Morpog_PC | https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/commit/256f87813f534cf6d3edbf6c7d0f2f818368d0b6 | 19:53 |
| schmittlauch | Huh, timestamps in Tweetian are missing after update to Uitukka | 19:53 |
| schmittlauch | nice redesign | 19:55 |
| Morpog_PC | schmittlauch, added your finding as issue: https://github.com/veskuh/Tweetian/issues/167 | 19:58 |
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| schmittlauch | Morpog_PC: Great, thanks (less effort for me) | 19:59 |
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| TMavica | is the event page always yellow? | 20:07 |
| ottulo | back on 1.0.0.5 :/ | 20:07 |
| Morpog_PC | TMavica, no, it's now colored after your ambiance colors | 20:08 |
| Morpog_PC | change ambiance and see | 20:08 |
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| TMavica | got it...but i dont like that, lol | 20:09 |
| schmittlauch | Clipboard not working for me in Uitukka, anybody experiencing the same? | 20:09 |
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| Morpog_PC | works for me | 20:09 |
| TMavica | when it public release, do we need update again? | 20:10 |
| schmittlauch | Morpog_PC: weird, let's try a reboot | 20:10 |
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| r0kk3rz | TMavica: i think they arent planning on releasing uitukka as a normal release | 20:18 |
| r0kk3rz | just merging it with update 10 once they're happy | 20:18 |
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| r0kk3rz | which makes sense, release the *its gonna break everything* release and wait for people to find all the bugs | 20:20 |
| r0kk3rz | then continue on the usual update cycle | 20:20 |
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| TMavica | meecast coverpage not working | 20:25 |
| TMavica | show black | 20:25 |
| Sail0r | https://together.jolla.com/question/59893/11038-first-hiccups/ | 20:26 |
| Sail0r | :) | 20:26 |
| TMavica | nice | 20:26 |
| TMavica | should add cameraplus not working too | 20:28 |
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| Morpog_PC | TMavica, Msameer already knows about it | 20:29 |
| chris__ | have someone try owncloud CalDAV & CardDAV ? | 20:30 |
| chris__ | witz owncloud | 20:31 |
| chris__ | with | 20:31 |
| Sail0r | I can only get caldav to work | 20:32 |
| Sail0r | but I don't see anyway to configure carddav ^^ | 20:32 |
| chris__ | can you tel me what you type in server and calenders field? | 20:32 |
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| chris__ | the complete link is: https://xxx.xx:PORT/owncloud/remote.php/caldav/calenders/admin/defaultcalender | 20:34 |
| chris__ | but i dont know what i have to put into server adress and what exactly in calender path... try something, but nothing works :( | 20:35 |
| tadzik | ehh, meecast and gpodder broken :( | 20:36 |
| tadzik | at least I have my vibration back | 20:36 |
| MSameer | TMavica: Morpog_PC I am on it | 20:36 |
| tadzik | so still an overall win :P | 20:36 |
| r0kk3rz | tadzik: give the devs a chance :P | 20:37 |
| tadzik | r0kk3rz: I'm patient :) | 20:37 |
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| chris__ | Sail0r ? | 20:42 |
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| Sail0r | yep? | 20:42 |
| Sail0r | i put in the server field https://owncloud.org:port | 20:42 |
| Sail0r | and in the path /owncloud/remote.php/caldav/calendars/<user>/defaultcalender | 20:42 |
| Sail0r | the / before owncloud is important | 20:43 |
| Sail0r | otherwise it did not work | 20:43 |
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| ballock | What's the version of btrfs-progs on the new update? | 20:45 |
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| teve | btrfs-progs-0.20rc1+git358.4-1.1.2.armv7hl | 20:47 |
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| chris__ | ok now it works, thanks :) .... i wrote defaultcalender , but right is defaultcalendar | 20:47 |
| VDVsx | owncloud does not work properly yet, but some community member contributed couple of fixes that make it work very well(his own testing), they will be integrate in next releases | 20:47 |
| chris__ | E=A | 20:47 |
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| pawky|2 | E=MC² | 20:48 |
| chris__ | no E=Beer² | 20:50 |
| chris__ | this is exactly what einstein will tell us :D | 20:51 |
| chris__ | cool, owncloud/calendar sync over Accounts works now! | 20:52 |
| chris__ | no waiting half hpur to see if its work D. | 20:52 |
| chris__ | :D | 20:52 |
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| pawky|2 | kontio: removing account, reboot ing and put it back didn't do much.. | 20:53 |
| just4info__ | quick question: i'm currently checking out the phone and realized that there is only a limited ammount of covers, why is that the case? is it due to a lack of cover-developers or are there any hardware issues? | 20:54 |
| pawky|2 | just4info__: no.. there are endless amounts of covers, if you own a 3d printer and download the cover specs :-P | 20:54 |
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| just4info__ | pawky|2, i'm refering to "the other halve" (or however it's called) = functional covers | 20:55 |
| pawky|2 | I'm no expert, but I'll guess the demand isn't big enough... | 20:55 |
| pawky|2 | I cannot really see the point with it... | 20:56 |
| tadzik | little supply, little demand | 20:56 |
| pawky|2 | again not being an expert, but if you have a NFC chip hanging around all the time, it will probably steal som juice from your battery, for nothing... | 20:57 |
| just4info__ | the covers currently offered by jolla seem to use NFC only, and are avoiding i2c, that's what gets me thinking | 20:57 |
| pawky|2 | tadzik: no.. the supply is there, you can buy different covers, but as the demand is probably not huge.. they aren't prio one.. | 20:57 |
| kimmoli | nothing wrong with i2c | 20:58 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah the hardware is fine | 20:58 |
| pawky|2 | just4info__: yeah, it would be cool if people would start offering hardware using it.. like a keyboard :-) | 20:58 |
| pawky|2 | my idea is to 3d print a back plate for the Sony DSC-QX10 :-) | 20:58 |
| pawky|2 | that would be cool.... then you could just quickly mount a great camera when need be | 20:59 |
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| r0kk3rz | sony e-mount lense toh | 21:00 |
| just4info__ | alright, thanks. follow up question: could i start selling covers right away or do i have to get a special licence in order to do that? | 21:00 |
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| pawky|2 | Not being a programmer i have looked into the app part though... and that got me stuck... there is an android app for it, but it uses Multicast and SPP to initiate a wireless connection and that doesn't work on jolla | 21:00 |
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| pawky|2 | just4info__: to my knowledge you do not, as you can download the specs if you want | 21:01 |
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| pawky|2 | they released the specs quite a while ago... | 21:01 |
| * just4info__ is a programmer and wondering if he should give it a shot | 21:01 | |
| kimmoli | just4info__: terms are in sdk. but contact jolla to make sure. | 21:01 |
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| just4info__ | alright, thanks | 21:02 |
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| just4info__ | the android-app compatibility is fine right? | 21:02 |
| pawky|2 | just4info__: yes, for most stuf :-) | 21:02 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah works for most things, may be some that dont | 21:02 |
| pawky|2 | it depends a bit | 21:02 |
| r0kk3rz | but generally its awesome | 21:02 |
| pawky|2 | yeah...like of some stupid reason the android cannoti listen to multicast whilst jolla has no trouble with it.. | 21:03 |
| pawky|2 | Jupp, awesome | 21:03 |
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| just4info__ | how does the phone handle android app requests? Like the gps data, can it be emulated? | 21:03 |
| pawky|2 | I believe an android app cannot reach all hardware, such as the accelerometers, | 21:04 |
| pawky|2 | GPS works fine | 21:04 |
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| pawky|2 | I believe compas doesnt at the moment.. | 21:04 |
| pawky|2 | so google-sky is out of the question ;-) | 21:04 |
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| just4info__ | well the question is: can i disable the GPS for certain apps? | 21:04 |
| pawky|2 | but google maps, or here maps is fine.. | 21:04 |
| pawky|2 | phone apps as well | 21:04 |
| pawky|2 | just4info__: uh.. hmm.. | 21:05 |
| r0kk3rz | no you cant, not yet anyway | 21:05 |
| pawky|2 | just4info__: how wo you mean? you can simply disable the GPS | 21:05 |
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| r0kk3rz | but the status icon is very clear when an app is using it | 21:05 |
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| pawky|2 | I wonder if one could fiddle and get XPrivacy into the alien dalvik....? | 21:06 |
| pawky|2 | that would be cool... | 21:06 |
| just4info__ | i hate the idea that some apps require your location though there is obviously no sane reason why they need it, means i don't want to grant them acess to it | 21:06 |
| pawky|2 | I am amazed nobody built a native firewall app gui yet.. | 21:06 |
| pawky|2 | just4info__: you need XPrivacy for that... | 21:07 |
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| just4info__ | pawky|2, never used android, means i wasn't realy aware that this tool exists :) | 21:08 |
| pawky|2 | :-) | 21:08 |
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| pawky|2 | I use it on my tablet, Droidwall + XPrivacy... really neat | 21:08 |
| just4info__ | but yey, xPrivacy probably doesn't run on SailfishOS right? | 21:09 |
| pawky|2 | I believe one could proably get it into the alien dalvik as well... somehow | 21:09 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i have no idea whether jolla are planning on adding it in, but its been mentioned on tjc | 21:09 |
| pawky|2 | just4info__: no.. but android ... java | 21:09 |
| r0kk3rz | since the apps are already running in a vm, you should be able to cleanly seperate them from the rest of the phone | 21:09 |
| pawky|2 | r0kk3rz: well any progammer could write it... if I knew how to I would... | 21:09 |
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| r0kk3rz | it would work better being outside of dalvik though | 21:10 |
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| just4info__ | pawky|2, might be java, but it will probably rely on an Android library, that's where porting the stuff gets tricky =) | 21:10 |
| pawky|2 | r0kk3rz: well as I understand it, it simply extends the core stuff to give you the opportinity to interveen.. | 21:10 |
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| r0kk3rz | then you can feed apps dummy info, so they dont break when they dont get what they want | 21:11 |
| pawky|2 | just4info__: you can have a look at the guys code on github as far as I know | 21:11 |
| pawky|2 | r0kk3rz: thats what XPrivacy already does.. | 21:11 |
| pawky|2 | I believe it might not be to much hazzle to implement it.. | 21:12 |
| just4info__ | pawky|2, go for it =P | 21:12 |
| pawky|2 | I wish | 21:12 |
| r0kk3rz | i might take a look into it | 21:13 |
| pawky|2 | First, i need to get my jolla upp and running though.. | 21:13 |
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| just4info__ | r0kk3rz, would be cool, thanks in advance heh | 21:13 |
| pawky|2 | just4info__: have you found the speks? | 21:14 |
| pawky|2 | specs | 21:14 |
| r0kk3rz | its something I want too | 21:14 |
| pawky|2 | just4info__: http://jolla.com/the-other-half-developer-kit | 21:15 |
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| pawky|2 | r0kk3rz: how much could I bribe you to help me out with getting a native Sony API softy for my DSC-QX10 ? :-) | 21:16 |
| just4info__ | pawky|2, thanks, looks good | 21:16 |
| r0kk3rz | what does the api do? | 21:17 |
| pawky|2 | The camera is really cool... you speak HTTP and it gives JSON stuff back... | 21:18 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure my sony camera does any fancy api things | 21:18 |
| pawky|2 | does it have wifi? :-) | 21:18 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont think so | 21:18 |
| r0kk3rz | is an alpha n5 | 21:18 |
| pawky|2 | I have written stuff in perl for it... and it runs under Jolla... :-) | 21:18 |
| just4info__ | a camera with wifi? O.o | 21:18 |
| _cvp_ | ok Update 9 with QT5.2 is here... someone test Callrecorder ? :D | 21:19 |
| pawky|2 | but... i believe doiing shell commands when being out on the field might be a bit to hard to ask. | 21:19 |
| r0kk3rz | perl scripts, interesting | 21:20 |
| just4info__ | just a shame that the phone is that big =/ | 21:20 |
| r0kk3rz | that big as in small or that big as in big? | 21:21 |
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| pawky|2 | i mean, its smaller than most, bigger than others... | 21:21 |
| pawky|2 | it works... kind of... perfekt | 21:21 |
| r0kk3rz | i find the size fine | 21:21 |
| just4info__ | r0kk3rz, big as in big, i didn't want to go higher than 4" | 21:21 |
| r0kk3rz | bigger screen than my last phone which is nice, but not phablety | 21:22 |
| pawky|2 | lots of jokes can be made upon that one... ;-) | 21:22 |
| pawky|2 | I liked the N9 screen though | 21:22 |
| just4info__ | pawky|2, nope, i never used apple ;-) | 21:22 |
| just4info__ | how long does the phone's battery last? | 21:23 |
| MSameer | TMavica: Morpog_PC thank coderus for the nagging :p http://foolab.org/files/harbour-cameraplus-0.0.29+master.20140824150346.1.g4f33d5e-10.1.1.jolla.armv7hl.rpm | 21:23 |
| pawky|2 | just4info__: I believe that link also gives you ideas about licenses etc... | 21:23 |
| MSameer | and I'd appreciate if someone can update the TMO thread too | 21:23 |
| just4info__ | pawky|2, yep, i read through it, thanks again, looks fine | 21:23 |
| r0kk3rz | if im smashing it then it lasts about a day, if not then 2 days | 21:23 |
| Morpog_Jolla | hmmm, no sluggishness yet Stskeeps | 21:23 |
| Morpog_Jolla | it works great | 21:24 |
| MSameer | and WTF! it doesn't launch when launched from home screen :@ | 21:24 |
| Mirv | I did hit more than usual sluggishness in low memory situation (as expected) | 21:24 |
| just4info__ | r0kk3rz, alright, sounds fine, thanks :) | 21:24 |
| Morpog_Jolla | oom killer for android apps also seems to work well | 21:24 |
| MSameer | qt5.2 js engine eats more memory | 21:26 |
| csslayer | anyone has the problem that android app will make volume to 100% after 1.10.38 update? | 21:26 |
| r0kk3rz | pawky|2: got your perl scripts for the camera somewhere? | 21:27 |
| pawky|2 | r0kk3rz: yes :-) | 21:28 |
| Morpog_Jolla | MSameer: launches here but black viewfinder | 21:28 |
| M4rtinK | it's nice and smooth now when Tracker did its thing :) | 21:28 |
| pawky|2 | r0kk3rz: its just proof of concept files.. | 21:28 |
| pawky|2 | they can take pictures :-) | 21:28 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah thats fine, if it was written in python or cpp then it would be easy | 21:29 |
| pawky|2 | and give you a live stream | 21:29 |
| MSameer | Morpog_Jolla: reboot maybe (if you launched it before and it crashed then the whole camera subsystem gets busted) | 21:29 |
| M4rtinK | MSameer: interesting, I would expect V4 to use less when it got rid of all those type conversions needed for V8 | 21:29 |
| pawky|2 | r0kk3rz: hold.. ill give you a hint :-) | 21:29 |
| Morpog_Jolla | i didn' launch it before | 21:29 |
| MSameer | M4rtinK: the memory manager for V4 is quite primitive compared to V8 | 21:29 |
| FireFly | How come the CalDAV account thing requires username/password? I was under impression CalDAV ~ iCal/vCal support... all I have is a URL pointing to iCal data that I want periodically polled | 21:29 |
| MSameer | M4rtinK: and it has issues with garbage collection | 21:29 |
| M4rtinK | MSameer: ouch :P | 21:30 |
| FireFly | under the impression* | 21:31 |
| MSameer | V4 is quite young | 21:31 |
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| _cvp_ | Dalvic Stop not working... it hangs | 21:32 |
| just4info__ | thanks again to everyone, sounds like this is pretty much the smartphone i'm looking for :) | 21:32 |
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| M4rtinK | on the other hand apps seem to use less ram overall | 21:33 |
| Shinryuu | uitukka seems to work just fine | 21:33 |
| M4rtinK | at least that is my impression from watching top | 21:33 |
| Shinryuu | I wonder if this phone is ever going to have "3G only, 4G only" etc. modes available | 21:34 |
| Zotan | Has anyone managed to caldav to work with owncloud 7 | 21:34 |
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| _cvp_ | Zotan yes | 21:36 |
| _cvp_ | https://server.com:PORT and path: /owncloud/remote.php/caldav/calendars/<user>/defaultcalendar | 21:37 |
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| Zotan | _cvp_: I can't get anything other than Ooops failed to create account | 21:37 |
| Zotan | You have to include the port, that's bonkers | 21:37 |
| Morpog_Jolla | MSameer: still black viewfinder after reboot | 21:38 |
| _cvp_ | yes, because my server is @home :) | 21:38 |
| Zotan | _cvp_: does syncing work well? | 21:38 |
| _cvp_ | it have sync | 21:39 |
| _cvp_ | only contacts seems not working | 21:39 |
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| _cvp_ | i try to add a ne account for contacts ... but not working | 21:39 |
| Zotan | _cvp_: That's worked for me, thanks. | 21:42 |
| Zotan | I wasn't expecting carddav to work, maybe with update 10 | 21:43 |
| Zotan | I'm always optimistic | 21:43 |
| just4info__ | uhm, what can't by synced with owncloud yet? | 21:44 |
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| _cvp_ | Zotan ... new added calendar on jolla cant sync with owncloud... because i cant choose the calendar... but if i add one directly over owncloud, this will sync it | 21:46 |
| _cvp_ | ahhh ok , i know why... after it saved, you cant change the calendar... you have choose before you save if... | 21:46 |
| MSameer | Morpog_Jolla: I am building a new rpm | 21:47 |
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| MSameer | Morpog_Jolla: http://foolab.org/files/harbour-cameraplus-0.0.29+master.20140824150346.1.g4f33d5e-10.1.2.jolla.armv7hl.rpm | 21:50 |
| Zotan | _cvp_: Sync is still broken, I've just created an event on my Jolla and an event on my desktop and niether have been synced | 21:51 |
| _cvp_ | Zotan you choose the right calendar beforce you save on jolla phone ? | 21:52 |
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| Morpog_Jolla | MSameer: works! | 21:52 |
| _cvp_ | i try 1 minit before andit works well... | 21:52 |
| MSameer | Morpog_Jolla: enjoy :) | 21:52 |
| MSameer | coderus: http://foolab.org/files/harbour-cameraplus-0.0.29+master.20140824150346.1.g4f33d5e-10.1.2.jolla.armv7hl.rpm | 21:52 |
| Morpog_Jolla | thx | 21:52 |
| Zotan | I only have one calendar on my owncloud server | 21:52 |
| _cvp_ | me too... but i mean if you create a new termin on jolla phone | 21:53 |
| Zotan | Ah, sorry, user stupidity | 21:53 |
| _cvp_ | termin = date | 21:53 |
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| _cvp_ | is this now working correctly on 1.1.0.38 ? https://github.com/dpurgin/harbour-callrecorder | 21:54 |
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| Morpog_Jolla | try it abd tell us | 21:56 |
| Morpog_Jolla | and | 21:56 |
| _cvp_ | there is no installer :( | 21:56 |
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| _cvp_ | no rpm file | 21:56 |
| Zotan | _cvp_: syncing from Jolla to server is working :-) server to Jolla is not :-( The test new appointment has not come down | 21:56 |
| _cvp_ | from server to jolla works and same from jolla to server | 21:58 |
| _cvp_ | owncloud 7.o is running | 21:58 |
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| _cvp_ | hmm no calendar info in event view :( | 22:03 |
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| coderus | MSameer: thanks! | 22:09 |
| MSameer | coderus: please update the thread as I am busy | 22:09 |
| Zotan | _cvp_: I'm running 7.0.2 and server to Jolla sync is not happening | 22:09 |
| coderus | MSameer: i can ask BasilSemuonov to upload new rpm to openrepos for you :) | 22:09 |
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| _cvp_ | i check again... i have ownCloud 7.0.2 (stable) | 22:10 |
| MSameer | coderus: I don't really consider that a release to update it | 22:10 |
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| coderus | ok, so just a forum? | 22:11 |
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| Zotan | _cvp_: There's nothing in the owncloud error log, no idea what the problem is :-( | 22:13 |
| ottulo | yay, I've properly managed to mess up my phone :) | 22:13 |
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| ottulo | no data lost as far as I can tell, though, so it's not THAT bad... | 22:14 |
| ottulo | I'm just missing all icons :D | 22:14 |
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| _cvp_ | zotan, sry i downt know whats problem... maybe kill owncloud and start again | 22:17 |
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| _cvp_ | or restart your server | 22:17 |
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| _cvp_ | time to sleep... cya | 22:20 |
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| Zotan | _cvp_: Thanks! | 22:21 |
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| tadzik | argh. Is there a way to have a sound for battery running out but not for "congratulations for unlocking your screen"? | 23:24 |
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| tadzik | I'm okay with removing audio files from the rootfs if necessary | 23:24 |
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