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| dr_gogeta86 | Stskeeps, not quiet | 07:15 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | other than fixies ... there are other changes to sailfish browser ... seems more stable | 07:18 |
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| tbr | ZOMG, haz update (was travelling yesterday) | 07:42 |
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| meklu | ooh :o | 07:45 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: security yes | 07:48 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: ah, just bash and things? | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | nss and such yes | 07:49 |
| tbr | *nod* | 07:49 |
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| SK_work | https://twitter.com/qtproject/status/519398153469329408 | 08:07 |
| SK_work | cool | 08:07 |
| SK_work | thanks, now we can have proper SSH +X support for Qt 5 apps | 08:07 |
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| Fuzzzy | hey, any jollahq people present? | 11:53 |
| Nicd- | hope they're hard at work on update 9 ;) | 11:54 |
| Fuzzzy | I'm a bit puzzled on what happened to my jolla | 11:54 |
| Nicd- | what did happen then? | 11:55 |
| Fuzzzy | it put itself in lockmode and wont accept my code | 11:56 |
| Fuzzzy | so Im pretty much fucked | 11:56 |
| Nicd- | probably went over the code input limit | 11:56 |
| Nicd- | if you can connect to it with SSH you can remove the lock in some way (but don't ask me how, I don't know) | 11:56 |
| Nicd- | otherwise it's a trip to care@jolla.com | 11:56 |
| Fuzzzy | well I guess it needs a SIM card holder replacement anyway | 11:58 |
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| Fuzzzy | AFAIK I had selected unlimited tries | 12:09 |
| Fuzzzy | but the code I had previously set doesnt work | 12:09 |
| Fuzzzy | I dont know how the lock mode even went on | 12:10 |
| Nicd- | so it's still accepting the codes you try? | 12:10 |
| Nicd- | I mean letting you try more codes | 12:11 |
| Fuzzzy | yes | 12:11 |
| Nicd- | ok, then it's not totally locked | 12:11 |
| Nicd- | and if it doesn't display a counter then I guess you have unlimited tries | 12:11 |
| Fuzzzy | it doesnt | 12:11 |
| Nicd- | does it have SSH on? | 12:11 |
| Fuzzzy | but no idea what the code is since it doesnt accept the one I have set | 12:11 |
| Fuzzzy | dont think so | 12:12 |
| Nicd- | the SSH trick would need the actual code too though | 12:12 |
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| aard_ | a/win 49 | 12:23 |
| chem|st | Fuzzzy: how long is your code? | 12:24 |
| Fuzzzy | I guess somehow I managed to enter the code wrong TWICE last time I changed it | 12:24 |
| Fuzzzy | 1 char higher than minimum required | 12:24 |
| chem|st | so 6 | 12:24 |
| Fuzzzy | yes | 12:24 |
| Fuzzzy | I've tried variations but :( | 12:24 |
| chem|st | well 6 digits has limited variations... how about you try your digits with only 5 | 12:25 |
| mdxth | have you tried previous one | 12:25 |
| Fuzzzy | yes | 12:25 |
| mdxth | damn | 12:26 |
| chem|st | Fuzzzy: if it is a typo, try it blind and fast... maybe you reproduce the typo | 12:27 |
| Fuzzzy | heh | 12:27 |
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| chem|st | I so often mistype has one digit is not recognized... so I'd try 5 digits too | 12:28 |
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| Fuzzzy | I guess I have to send it to Optima service | 12:39 |
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| Fuzzzy | if SSH needs the correct code | 12:40 |
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| PaulePanter | Hi. I want to install the Sonos App on my Jolla. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sonos.acr | 13:03 |
| PaulePanter | How can I accomplish that? It’s not in the Yandex store as far as I can see. | 13:03 |
| SK_work | PaulePanter: http://apps.evozi.com/apk-downloader/ | 13:03 |
| SK_work | if it is free | 13:03 |
| SK_work | + side load | 13:03 |
| PaulePanter | SK_work: Thanks. | 13:04 |
| Nicd- | if you trust them, that is | 13:04 |
| VDVsx | probably is in aptoide, easier from there | 13:05 |
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| mdxth | PaulePanter, it is also in amazon store | 13:10 |
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| pdanek | Jolla 2 on Slush 2014! | 13:36 |
| Scelt | pdanek: url? | 13:39 |
| pdanek | No url, you must believe, live in the hype! | 13:39 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if this is pdanek's hobby.. | 13:39 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:39 |
| tadzik | Stskeeps: from what I've seen it is :) | 13:39 |
| tadzik | why would you want a jolla2 pdanek | 13:39 |
| pdanek | Every IRC channel has its troll. | 13:40 |
| TemeV | moar cores and moar ram and moar everything of course. Why wouldn't one want those | 13:40 |
| pdanek | Sometimes I wonder if I'm on the edge to get banned. :D | 13:40 |
| TemeV | living on the edge | 13:41 |
| Tegu | bleeding edge | 13:41 |
| oh8gnz | http://thebestmobileblog.wordpress.com/2014/08/21/jollan-mahdoton-tarina-jatkuu/ (fin) | 13:41 |
| oh8gnz | some rumors ? | 13:41 |
| Nicd- | can't be a jolla 2 yet, they've only just released the first one in india etc | 13:43 |
| TemeV | wasn't jolla 2 planned become 2015 | 13:43 |
| TemeV | late 2015 that is | 13:44 |
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| mcfrisk | I'm sure jolla q&a would want another HW variant, heck why not a tablet too... ;) | 13:47 |
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| simbrown | I don't see how launching a Jolla 2 in existing markets would make any sense. Jolla's top priority has to be their mainland China launch. | 13:51 |
| simbrown | That might be different HW though | 13:51 |
| Nicd- | a situation where they would sell different HW to just china would not be good for them I think | 13:52 |
| simbrown | What about through a partner? | 13:53 |
| clau | well, there's still a lot to do until Sailfish is at the same level with the competition | 13:54 |
| clau | I hope Jolla will focus more on this than on launching new hw | 13:54 |
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| simbrown | At some point Jolla will have to do a deal with a HW partner in order for them to achieve the scale required for profitability | 14:00 |
| clau | I always thought that was the plan. | 14:01 |
| simbrown | That's always been the plan I think, for other device manufacturers to adopt sailfish. | 14:01 |
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| PaulePanter | mdxth: How can I get it from the Amazon store? | 14:03 |
| PaulePanter | http://thejollablog.wordpress.com/2013/11/29/tips-and-tricks-2-installing-amazon-app-store-on-your-jolla/ | 14:04 |
| PaulePanter | …, let’s see if that works. | 14:04 |
| PaulePanter | Hmm, they want me to sign in, so let’s try Aptoide first. | 14:05 |
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| clau | I wonder... what does "Trusted" mean in Aptoide? | 14:06 |
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| clau | I think all the apps I ever checked/installed are marked as "trusted" | 14:07 |
| Nicd- | probably that it has been verified that the one who added it into the store is the one who actually owns the app | 14:07 |
| Nicd- | because sometimes there's "Facebook, published by joe69" | 14:07 |
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| coderus | PaulePanter: of course you need to have amazon account :) | 14:10 |
| PaulePanter | Installing it from the Aptoide store would have worked until I saw what access rights it wants to have. :( | 14:11 |
| clau | there's an "Amazon Store" app which was uploaded by some dude. It's trusted. | 14:11 |
| PaulePanter | coderus: Thanks. I am new to installing apps. ;-) | 14:12 |
| PaulePanter | clau: Yeah, that’s the way I installed the Aptoide store. I did not look for the Amazon store application. | 14:12 |
| chem|st | PaulePanter: I check fdroid first and if it is not there I think about if I can live without it... | 14:17 |
| PaulePanter | chem|st: Thanks. Though that Sonos application is not free software to my knowledge. | 14:19 |
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| PaulePanter | Is there a setting, where I can prohibit everything for an App and everytime it wants to access the file system or mess with the network I have to explicitly allow it? | 14:20 |
| Nicd- | no | 14:21 |
| PaulePanter | Like some Firewalls behave on MS Windows for example. | 14:21 |
| PaulePanter | Nicd-: Too bad. | 14:21 |
| Nicd- | there is currently no such system | 14:21 |
| Nicd- | for android or native apps | 14:21 |
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| pdanek | I so didn't know! | 14:26 |
| pdanek | There is a window manager called Sawfish. | 14:26 |
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| faenil | PSA: sailfish community meeting in 5 mins in #mer-meeting channel | 14:57 |
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| pdanek | Am I considered as community member when I do not contribute with any code? :) | 15:01 |
| faenil | pdanek: of course! | 15:02 |
| pdanek | :) | 15:02 |
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| SK_work | pdanek: contributors don't need to contribute code | 15:05 |
| SK_work | they contribute time :) | 15:05 |
| SK_work | that's already something | 15:06 |
| faenil | pdanek: and ideas and support for other people, if possible :D | 15:06 |
| pdanek | right! | 15:07 |
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| pdanek | Can I2C power Jolla directly, or battery is needed? | 17:28 |
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| pdanek | If yes, we can have battery hot-swapping! | 17:28 |
| pdanek | or nt i2c, but those power pins | 17:29 |
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| pdanek | or just with microusb, why battery hpt swap with microusb plugged in isn't possible? | 17:33 |
| r0kk3rz | thats a good question | 17:34 |
| r0kk3rz | never tried it | 17:34 |
| r0kk3rz | an easy test is to pull the battery out when its on USB charge | 17:34 |
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| r0kk3rz | as the i2c pins just feed into the charging circuit | 17:34 |
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| phdeswer | pdanek: it works on Jolla if on charger. When plugged in on the pc it might not deliver enough power to keep it alive as sometimes current consumption might peak above 500mA | 17:35 |
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| pdanek | yeah I tested now --> it works! | 17:36 |
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| pdanek | What is the atmosphere at Jolla? Marc always mentiones in his talks how big success Jolla is, did it really fullfill your expectations? | 17:49 |
| pdanek | Or you expected more... appreciation, sales, development? | 17:49 |
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| _inte_ | hello | 17:50 |
| _inte_ | sowatch seems pretty abandoned at https://gitorious.org/sowatch | 17:51 |
| _inte_ | last commit from 1/14 | 17:51 |
| _inte_ | is there still something going on? | 17:51 |
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| phdeswer | pdanek: well it is mostly ok. But I guess we always hope for more ;) So we just decide to keep improving things. | 18:05 |
| Nicd- | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/10/testing-a-35-firefox-os-phone-how-bad-could-it-be/ | 18:08 |
| Nicd- | the more you read, the better it gets | 18:08 |
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| pdanek | No doubt Jolla 2 will run on ARMv8 already. | 18:13 |
| AL13N | heh | 18:14 |
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| AL13N | ARMv8 64bit | 18:14 |
| AL13N | with 16GB RAM | 18:14 |
| AL13N | and 8 cores | 18:14 |
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| Stskeeps | MIPS64. | 18:16 |
| Nicd- | PowerPC | 18:16 |
| pdanek | Yea, it's gonna be combination of ARMv8 and Power8 | 18:17 |
| Nicd- | and they're gonna design their own SoC like Apple | 18:17 |
| pdanek | Power8 for real computing when on charger, ARMv8 for mobile use to save battery | 18:17 |
| pdanek | and lasers | 18:17 |
| pdanek | We desparately need those lasers finally. | 18:18 |
| kimmoli | mandatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh7bYNAHXxw | 18:23 |
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| Nightmare__ | +1 for those "lasers" | 18:34 |
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| chem|st | kimmoli: are you familiar with flight controllers? Seagull, a Jolla TOH Quadrocopter^^ | 19:15 |
| kimmoli | i have few projects... own build not yet been on air | 19:16 |
| kimmoli | that wuold make annoying alarmclock... | 19:17 |
| chem|st | I was thinking about a raspberry shield, while searching for i2c capable sensors and BL Ctrl I found a site with a DIY manual... as always -> somebody has done it ages ago^^ | 19:18 |
| chem|st | kimmoli: a clock that lifts of to the seeling waiting for you to find the remote? | 19:18 |
| kimmoli | more like it flies to kitchen and makes you coffee | 19:19 |
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| Shinryuu | 'How to make your Jolla to fly to your kitchen and make some coffee' | 19:44 |
| Shinryuu | with magic | 19:44 |
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| lpotter | "aim it at your wife"? :) | 19:53 |
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| oozbooz | I have dead in convulsion Nokia N9... after argument with my wife, so not sure if Jolla designed incorporated customer requests already | 19:58 |
| oozbooz | J claims: "... new model can withstand spousal arguments ..." | 19:59 |
| AL13N | lol | 20:00 |
| AL13N | toh quadcopter... it's making your phone theft-safe | 20:00 |
| Bawal | i think, in a relationship, the secret is to bend and not crack | 20:01 |
| AL13N | it usually flies too high for people to grab | 20:01 |
| AL13N | Bawal: so, iPhone is better for relations? | 20:01 |
| AL13N | iPhone6 ? | 20:01 |
| AL13N | :-) | 20:01 |
| Bawal | doesn't it crack when poked in the right spot | 20:01 |
| Bawal | sounds dangerous to me | 20:01 |
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| Shinryuu | Jolla needs "bending" technology :p | 20:23 |
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| pdanek | Do you guys think, that there is a chance for Jolla 2 to be fully keyboard enabled phone? | 20:28 |
| pdanek | (can be with keyboard half, which will be officially sold via store and UI will be perfectly done for landscape) | 20:29 |
| pdanek | dirkvl will be employed by Jolla | 20:29 |
| pdanek | :D | 20:29 |
| pdanek | That would be the comeback of Nokia communicators! | 20:30 |
| sharpneli | I consider that to be really unlikely until the whole "Everything must be a clone of the iPhone" far fades. | 20:32 |
| sharpneli | *fad | 20:32 |
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| pdanek | Blackberry Passport is trying to make it happen. | 20:34 |
| pdanek | So far they sell like cupcakes. | 20:34 |
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| pdanek | In the past, you had so many phone designs and shapes. | 20:35 |
| pdanek | Nowadays, anything that's slightly different, people are scared. | 20:35 |
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| M4rtinK | a friend actually showed me his BB Passport just today | 20:39 |
| M4rtinK | a really nice piece of hardware | 20:39 |
| M4rtinK | and the touch-keyboard is a really nice idea | 20:40 |
| pdanek | You played with it? | 20:41 |
| louisdk | pdanek, Well I hope to see a qwerty toh in retail quality (most likely not from Jolla) and with SailfishOS support for hiding touch keyboard. Marc Dillon agrees that it's not cool that every phone look the same and have talked about qwerty phones in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ0btrtQ5Fc | 20:41 |
| M4rtinK | if only it had a sane (read Linux distro based) and more open OS | 20:41 |
| M4rtinK | pdanek: yeap | 20:41 |
| M4rtinK | louisdk: well, that one is pretty old | 20:42 |
| louisdk | M4rtinK, would like to see the Passport and the Q10. Tried BB10 on a Z10 a year and it seemed quite MeeGo-like. The biggest bummer is that it's mostly closed sourced. | 20:42 |
| louisdk | M4rtinK, I now but still relevant to the topic. | 20:43 |
| louisdk | *know | 20:43 |
| M4rtinK | louisdk: I have the Z10 LE and it is decent and the OS is robust | 20:43 |
| M4rtinK | but the closedness is getting in the way | 20:43 |
| M4rtinK | and there are some stupid decisions and policies | 20:44 |
| M4rtinK | like you need to bother with debug tokens just to run you app on your device | 20:44 |
| pdanek | louisdk: I know that interview, but that was long time ago, and Jolla will perhaps do what is best for the business, and keyboards won't sell anymore - BlackBerry is exception, they have the old userbase and they are known for best mobile keyboards, so they can take over the whole niche market | 20:45 |
| louisdk | M4rtinK, if Sailfish OS will not succeed (hope not) , I'll differently go BB10 next time. Android might be more open source in terms of released source code, but I really don't trust Google and find the Android UI quite childish. | 20:45 |
| pdanek | M4rtinK: Why is Linux distro based "sane"? | 20:45 |
| M4rtinK | or that daemon apps (they call them "headless") can consume only up to 3 MB of ram, which for example makes Python headless apps impossible | 20:46 |
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| M4rtinK | louisdk: well, if BB still exists at that time :D | 20:46 |
| pdanek | Actually quite some BB10 owners are aiming to buy Jolla. | 20:46 |
| pdanek | And vice-versa. | 20:46 |
| pdanek | Very similar OSes in terms of gesture UI and multitasking. | 20:47 |
| M4rtinK | louisdk: they are bleeding money like crazy AFAIK but I might have outdated info | 20:47 |
| pdanek | Both using Qt. | 20:47 |
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| louisdk | pdanek, I still hope a decent qwerty toh will shop up at time point. Don't care if it's US layout, missing letters or made by a random Chinese malefactor. | 20:47 |
| M4rtinK | pdanek: that's what I'm used to work with and what I like | 20:47 |
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| M4rtinK | pdanek: and you can expect it to have some attributes, so you need to hack around less platform differences | 20:48 |
| louisdk | M4rtinK, But Passport sell quite well. BB10 is more stable and feature rich than Sailfish ATM. | 20:48 |
| M4rtinK | pdanek: for example there is no DBUS on BB10 or package dependency support | 20:48 |
| pdanek | I still think BB10 is best mobile OS out there right now, the version 10.3 | 20:48 |
| M4rtinK | louisdk: we will see, it might save them in the end :) | 20:48 |
| louisdk | pdanek, BB10 is using stable 4.8.x while Sailfish is running 5.x. | 20:49 |
| pdanek | Qt? | 20:49 |
| M4rtinK | louisdk: actually I think I'd manage even with a blank layout :) | 20:49 |
| louisdk | pdanek, yearh. | 20:49 |
| pdanek | Sailfish is more modern. | 20:49 |
| M4rtinK | alcohol based marker should do the trick worst case :) | 20:49 |
| pdanek | I mean.... almost nobody has pulled out default btrfs in their Linux distro | 20:50 |
| pdanek | Jolla did, a year ago | 20:50 |
| M4rtinK | BB10 is using the Qt 4 based cascades "thing" | 20:50 |
| M4rtinK | I consider it being something between Qt 4 & Qt 5 or QtQuick 1 and 2 | 20:50 |
| louisdk | pdanek, Currently Sailfish is more unstable and lacks more features than BB10. Also I think that most BB owners who are interested in Jolla doesn't know that Sailfish is still in beta. | 20:51 |
| M4rtinK | but it is proprietary and only available on BB10 - but works decently, even though it is missing some crucial features like anchors | 20:51 |
| M4rtinK | louisdk: well, beta | 20:51 |
| Toxip | I bet BlackBerry was when they first came out. Give it a little time and Sailfish will be wonderful | 20:52 |
| M4rtinK | louisdk: I don't think one can summarize all aspects of an OS with a single marker like that | 20:52 |
| M4rtinK | there are aspects of Sailfish that are far ahead but other barely work at all | 20:53 |
| Toxip | indeed | 20:53 |
| pdanek | Sometimes I get so pissed off that I'm almost ordering a BB10 phone. | 20:53 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, keyboard TOH - now would be a good time for Jolla to step in and show they indeed want to support the TOH community | 20:53 |
| pdanek | Then I calm down and continue sailing. | 20:53 |
| pdanek | M4rtinK: Maybe on Slush :) | 20:54 |
| louisdk | M4rtinK, Most apps are still quite basic in Sailfish. I think that the UX is superior, but there's still some work to do. | 20:54 |
| M4rtinK | as the guiy working on the v2 of the TOH keyboard is having some issues with sourcing an adequate keypad | 20:54 |
| Toxip | I'd love to see that as well but since the OS still needs some polishing, they want to focus on that | 20:54 |
| pdanek | dirkvl | 20:54 |
| pdanek | My biggest problem now is that the loud speaker stopped working on Jolla. | 20:55 |
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| M4rtinK | and that might be something for Jolla to help with, either by closer contact to hardware manufacturers or even helping financially | 20:55 |
| Toxip | @pdankek maybe you should contact the Jolla care? | 20:56 |
| pdanek | Toxip: sure, but then I would have to send it to Finland... and I don't have spare phone at the moment | 20:56 |
| pdanek | phone speaker still works, so I can call, I just can't use alarm clock, ringtone, etc. | 20:57 |
| Scelt | pdanek: I fixed mine with a little knock to my knee | 20:57 |
| Tegu | I am sailing.. I am sailing. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u1v60FITAfY | 20:57 |
| Toxip | hmm... that's a problem | 20:57 |
| pdanek | Scelt: did you have same issue? :O | 20:58 |
| Scelt | pdanek: I still have. Haven't yet sent to care | 20:58 |
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| Scelt | but it's a pretty common problem | 20:58 |
| pdanek | Tegu: god... that's amazing | 20:58 |
| Toxip | Luckily I live here in Finland... had a dead pixel out of the box and had the unit replaced | 20:59 |
| M4rtinK | pdanek: external speaker ? :) | 20:59 |
| pdanek | M4rtinK: yes | 20:59 |
| pdanek | not working anymore, at all, some HW problem | 20:59 |
| M4rtinK | I mean you can use an external speaker :) | 20:59 |
| tadzik | :/ | 20:59 |
| Scelt | pdanek: yeah it is. There's some loose connection or something | 20:59 |
| tadzik | a TOT speaker | 20:59 |
| tadzik | The Other Top :P | 21:00 |
| pdanek | lol | 21:00 |
| Toxip | well that's an interesting concept :D | 21:00 |
| pdanek | The Other Top! | 21:00 |
| pdanek | The hype! | 21:00 |
| tadzik | you could even make it a jack proxy, so you can still plug headphones in if you want to | 21:00 |
| M4rtinK | BasilSemuonov: you there ? :) | 21:00 |
| Toxip | seems like a parody on Jolla hype :D | 21:00 |
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| Tegu | pdanek: looks like there are versions with better sound quality. just tried to quickly find the song after your comment "calm down and continue sailing" | 21:00 |
| BasilSemuonov | M4rtinK, y u always write at night time?! | 21:01 |
| M4rtinK | BasilSemuonov: quite often :) | 21:01 |
| Toxip | I want a battery other half that looks like there's three layers like a sandwich :D | 21:01 |
| M4rtinK | BasilSemuonov: I might have a RFE for your monitoring app | 21:01 |
| tadzik | Toxip: and is edible | 21:02 |
| louisdk | Tegu, Yes you're ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlti8Q-gU-Q | 21:02 |
| M4rtinK | BasilSemuonov: support for showing status of multiple swap devices | 21:02 |
| BasilSemuonov | M4rtinK, readed your yesterdays message, and waited all day long for you to become online ;) | 21:02 |
| Toxip | Tadzik: :D | 21:02 |
| pdanek | Toxip: or other half, which has I2C/power pins as well, so you can stack infinite number of other halves on each other | 21:02 |
| Tegu | louisdk: aahhah, have listened to that way too many times :D | 21:02 |
| M4rtinK | BasilSemuonov: yeah, I'm mostly on IRc only in the afternoon-evening | 21:03 |
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| louisdk | Tegu: 90's dance at it's best ;) | 21:03 |
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| M4rtinK | BasilSemuonov: back to the RFE - I'm using zram and it would be really handy to monitor its usage/utilization | 21:03 |
| BasilSemuonov | M4rtinK, shouldnt you disable default swap device for zram to be effective? | 21:04 |
| M4rtinK | BasilSemuonov: I think quite many others also use zram and might also like that | 21:04 |
| Tegu | indeed! I used to listen to it quite a lot | 21:04 |
| Tegu | louisdk | 21:04 |
| M4rtinK | BasilSemuonov: not need and might be actually dangerous | 21:04 |
| M4rtinK | BasilSemuonov: check the swap priority | 21:04 |
| pdanek | http://youtu.be/HWz7ChHaXtE - Jolla should make ad like this, best ad ever that every N900 user probably knows. | 21:05 |
| M4rtinK | the zram device has the priority set so high, that it will be always preferred as long as it has free space | 21:05 |
| M4rtinK | also note there are two devices with the same priority - so that both CPU cores can be used to handle the compression in parallel | 21:06 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, it is missing from the package, but if you run this script: | 21:07 |
| M4rtinK | https://dcr226.fedorapeople.org/zram_stats | 21:07 |
| M4rtinK | it should tell you detailed statistics about zram usage :) | 21:07 |
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| louisdk | I sent my phone in for repair. Display changed (yellow marks), Vibrator changes (was dead), Battery cushion installed and connector cleaned (Shutdown issue) and software updated to 1.0.8.19. It look 7 days from pickup to I got it back (Live in Denmark). I'm quite surprised they wanted to fix all that instead of replacing it. | 21:07 |
| BasilSemuonov | M4rtinK, check pm | 21:07 |
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| Toxip | pdanek: That would be funny :D | 21:09 |
| pdanek | Stskeeps: faenil: Are you going to rename Mer / Nemo projects to something else after merge? | 21:10 |
| tadzik | merge? :o | 21:10 |
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| pdanek | That's what I saw on today's community meeting, but maybe I misunderstood the whole thing | 21:10 |
| pdanek | :D | 21:11 |
| tadzik | ah, I didn't backlog | 21:11 |
| pdanek | Never take me seriously. | 21:11 |
| pdanek | But maybe I'm right! | 21:11 |
| tadzik | no worries, I usually don't, but that sounded like something based on facts :P | 21:11 |
| M4rtinK | Mermo ! | 21:11 |
| pdanek | Yea, I thought of that too/ | 21:11 |
| pdanek | :D | 21:12 |
| M4rtinK | (that would sound rather cool!) | 21:12 |
| pdanek | I should pull off some good name. | 21:12 |
| pdanek | I came up with Nemo name after all. | 21:12 |
| pdanek | :D | 21:12 |
| tadzik | oh, you did? | 21:12 |
| pdanek | It was a big IRC chat to choose a name. :D | 21:12 |
| pdanek | Requirement was: fish | 21:13 |
| pdanek | my proposal was luckily chosen! | 21:13 |
| pdanek | :D | 21:13 |
| tadzik | hehe | 21:13 |
| tadzik | good job:) | 21:13 |
| pdanek | nah | 21:14 |
| pdanek | it should be Anchovy! | 21:15 |
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| pdanek | Naemo! | 21:16 |
| pdanek | :D | 21:16 |
| pdanek | lol | 21:16 |
| Toxip | ;D | 21:16 |
| tadzik | maybe just Jolo | 21:16 |
| Toxip | >_< | 21:17 |
| fennekki | #jolo #sväk | 21:18 |
| Toxip | #jolomobile | 21:18 |
| pdanek | http://chod.sk/bebp5 | 21:18 |
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| Tegu | btw, is it possiboe to downmix stereo to mono (on the audio plug)? | 21:21 |
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| Tegu | I tried this but it didn't seem to work directly in jolla, so there might be more to it... http://askubuntu.com/questions/17791/can-i-downmix-stereo-audio-to-mono | 21:24 |
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| pdanek | http://askjolla.com/ | 21:26 |
| pdanek | someone park this domain | 21:26 |
| pdanek | in 20 years, you will sell it for millions | 21:26 |
| Tegu | for sure :) | 21:27 |
| Toxip | don't they already have together.jolla.com for stupid questions :P | 21:31 |
| pdanek | Jolla will turn into megacorporation, they will buy M$, Google, Apple... | 21:31 |
| pdanek | toothbrushes will be Jolla | 21:31 |
| pdanek | with Mer inside | 21:31 |
| Toxip | :DD | 21:31 |
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| Tegu | Jolla shampoo | 21:32 |
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| Toxip | Jolla toilet paper | 21:32 |
| pdanek | sure, shampoo will be full of nanobots powered by Mer | 21:32 |
| Tegu | Jolla aquariums with clownfishes | 21:33 |
| pdanek | and lasers!!! | 21:34 |
| chem|st | Toxip: toilet paper TOH | 21:34 |
| Tegu | aahah | 21:34 |
| pdanek | chem|st: like it will use the shit as biological material to recharge your battery? | 21:35 |
| pdanek | I like it! | 21:35 |
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| Toxip | chem|st: was thinking of that :D | 21:35 |
| Toxip | jolla statistics http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~ckingsf/software/sailfish/images/sailfish_logo.png | 21:36 |
| Toxip | presented in Sailfish format | 21:36 |
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| _inte_ | hello | 21:47 |
| _inte_ | i found a BUG | 21:47 |
| _inte_ | or missing feature | 21:47 |
| _inte_ | in the stock Gallery app | 21:48 |
| _inte_ | when a photo is maximized and the app is minimized the pic is shown in the app tile | 21:48 |
| _inte_ | however, its not possible to swype through the gallery whithout maximazing the app again | 21:49 |
| _inte_ | I guess it should | 21:49 |
| _inte_ | what do you think? | 21:49 |
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| Toxip | I think it's intended | 21:50 |
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| _inte_ | I mean, does someone under stand what i mean at all? :) | 21:50 |
| Toxip | but it's a bit unintuitive | 21:50 |
| _inte_ | well i would have expected it to work | 21:51 |
| Toxip | exactly, that's why it's a bit unintuitive | 21:51 |
| _inte_ | as t would be intuitive | 21:51 |
| _inte_ | ah yeah :) | 21:52 |
| _inte_ | is that mentioned a tjc or somewhere already? | 21:52 |
| _inte_ | i have to admit that I have my jolla phone since last year but only recognized the missing function just recently | 21:53 |
| _inte_ | but still | 21:53 |
| _inte_ | i guess it should work and it would probably be no big thing to implement this feature | 21:53 |
| Toxip | wait, do you mean when you tap a photo and it shows it in fullscreen? | 21:54 |
| _inte_ | yes | 21:54 |
| _inte_ | and then minimize the app | 21:54 |
| _inte_ | then the photo is still in fullscreen but shows only the pic you just maximazid | 21:54 |
| Toxip | I think the idea is that the glow disappears marking that it's not swypeable so you have to tap again to go back | 21:55 |
| _inte_ | now, i'd expect to be able to swype through the gallery without maximizing the app again | 21:55 |
| _inte_ | no glow | 21:55 |
| _inte_ | i mean in the tiles view | 21:55 |
| _inte_ | or whatever it is called | 21:55 |
| _inte_ | app overview | 21:55 |
| _inte_ | task view | 21:55 |
| _inte_ | whatever | 21:55 |
| _inte_ | that view that looks similar to wp (scnr, i know its from the n9 actually and meego is older than wp) | 21:56 |
| _inte_ | but the minimized view | 21:56 |
| _inte_ | you understand?? | 21:56 |
| _inte_ | where you can e.g. control the mediaplayer | 21:56 |
| Toxip | hmm, you mean the multitasking view? | 21:56 |
| _inte_ | trigger the email app to check for mails etc. | 21:56 |
| _inte_ | yep | 21:57 |
| _inte_ | most apps have functions despite they are minimized | 21:57 |
| _inte_ | as mentioned above | 21:57 |
| Toxip | yes | 21:57 |
| _inte_ | id expect the gallery app to be able to swype as it does in fullscreen mode | 21:57 |
| _inte_ | but there is just now function at all when minimized | 21:58 |
| _inte_ | despite that it shows the pic | 21:58 |
| Toxip | you mean that there's no cover action? | 21:58 |
| _inte_ | THAT was the word that I was missing | 21:58 |
| _inte_ | yes | 21:58 |
| _inte_ | no cover action for the gallery app | 21:58 |
| Toxip | :D I see... I don't think it was intended | 21:58 |
| _inte_ | yes but try for yoursef | 21:59 |
| Toxip | I don't see any good example for a cover action | 21:59 |
| _inte_ | maximize a pic in fullscreen | 21:59 |
| _inte_ | but the app in background | 21:59 |
| Toxip | yeah | 21:59 |
| _inte_ | youll see only the pic you just maximized | 21:59 |
| Toxip | yeah, that's what it's supposed to do | 22:00 |
| _inte_ | if the app is in fullscreen you can swipe through the gallery | 22:00 |
| _inte_ | if its minimized, it should be possible to swipe through the gallery as well | 22:00 |
| _inte_ | e.g. by cover actions | 22:00 |
| Toxip | oh, now I get it | 22:00 |
| Toxip | so you'd like a feature to be able to switch between the pics | 22:00 |
| _inte_ | yep | 22:00 |
| Toxip | that's actually true, they could introduce such a feature! | 22:01 |
| Toxip | maybe they didn't think of it | 22:01 |
| _inte_ | or just swipe through the gallery | 22:01 |
| Toxip | but it's not a bug, it's just a missing feature | 22:01 |
| _inte_ | i just recognized its not possible recently | 22:01 |
| _inte_ | but i instantly began missing this feature | 22:01 |
| Toxip | there could be two cover actions, previous photo and next photo | 22:02 |
| Toxip | should checkout if there's already a suggestion on together.jolla.com | 22:03 |
| _inte_ | yes thats what i also though | 22:03 |
| _inte_ | i guess i will put an entry to tjc | 22:04 |
| _inte_ | if i cant find any | 22:04 |
| _inte_ | thanks anyways | 22:04 |
| Toxip | https://together.jolla.com/question/19468/idea-slideshow-for-photos-in-gallery-app/ | 22:05 |
| Toxip | something similar noted there | 22:05 |
| Toxip | but you could post another request as well since that's a bit different | 22:06 |
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| _inte_ | thank! | 22:40 |
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| _inte_ | s | 22:40 |
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| pdanek | I'm wondering. | 22:52 |
| pdanek | If Neo900 guys are willing to pay nearly 1000 EUR for an old piece of hardware. | 22:52 |
| pdanek | What is Jolla 2 will be high end phone, costing 600 EUR? | 22:53 |
| pdanek | Community will buy it for sure. | 22:53 |
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| pdanek | Margins will be higher. | 22:53 |
| pdanek | But I guess the focus is on developing markets. | 22:53 |
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| pdanek | Bring be high-end QWERTY Jolla 2 and I give you 1000 EUR straight away. :D | 22:55 |
| pdanek | be -> me | 22:55 |
| pdanek | After reading the article about cheap FF OS phones today and after Google released their plan for low cost phones (Android One), is it worth to fight for low cost market? | 22:56 |
| pdanek | Maybe going for high end phones is better? | 22:56 |
| pdanek | Just thinking loudly before sleep, feel free to ignore. :D | 22:57 |
| lpotter | low cost also means low performance. | 22:58 |
| pdanek | with Android One? | 22:59 |
| lpotter | for a startup needing to grow a business, I think mid market is probably best | 22:59 |
| pdanek | Google is aiming to create high performance low cost devices. | 22:59 |
| pdanek | perhaps | 23:00 |
| lpotter | ya, well... they have the big gorilla suit on to help those BOM costs | 23:00 |
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| lpotter | not to mention to defray development costs | 23:03 |
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| * keithzg would totally settle for a LOW-end QWERTY Jolla 2 ;) | 23:10 | |
| pdanek | 2000 euro high-end QWERTY Jolla 2! | 23:12 |
| pdanek | I'm in. | 23:12 |
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| keithzg | I . . . would totally buy that. But in fairness, I am a crazy person who still lives like a poor student despite having a real job these days. | 23:15 |
| lpotter | well... lets just say the N9 hardware would be pushing the low end | 23:15 |
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| keithzg | I still use my N9 as my primary device, add a keyboard and a more modern software stack and that's fine with me :P | 23:16 |
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| * keithzg has long been tempted to go over to a modern Android as a primary device, but even just finding one that has a low-power display AND at least 64GB of storage is impossible. | 23:20 | |
| pdanek | keithzg: you're same as me, I'm working already for 5 year and having close to zero savings | 23:20 |
| pdanek | years* | 23:20 |
| keithzg | pdanek: No, sorry, I actually am in the opposite situation. I still live like a poor student despite now having a job that actually pays me, heh. I'm accruing savings, unlike literally everyone else I know. | 23:21 |
| keithzg | So I do crazy things like buy a Jolla despite how I can't actually use it as a phone, haha | 23:22 |
| pdanek | ah I see | 23:22 |
| pdanek | I have high spendings and low savings. :D | 23:22 |
| pdanek | = zero savings :D | 23:23 |
| lpotter | why can't you use it? | 23:23 |
| pdanek | Are you in US? | 23:23 |
| keithzg | Canada. | 23:24 |
| keithzg | My carrier is AWS on 3G, so no cell radio love from the Jolla 1. | 23:25 |
| lpotter | cd ../ | 23:26 |
| keithzg | lpotter: why ../, what does that accomplish that .. doesn't? Although I guess both do the same when accidentally written in an IRC channel rather than a terminal :P | 23:27 |
| lpotter | finger memory | 23:27 |
| * keithzg has to carry around THREE phone when using the Jolla: N9 as primary device, Jolla, and an Android phone with a data SIM to be the hotspot since connman apparently can't see ad-hoc networks | 23:28 | |
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| pdanek | http://neo900.org/stuff/piwo/wolne-mobilne-gdy-android-to-za-malo.ogg | 23:31 |
| pdanek | (watch out, it's in Polish language) | 23:32 |
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| slate | whats out, its autoplay | 23:39 |
| slate | :D | 23:39 |
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| keithzg | Well, when a browser is pointed directly at an audio file, I feel like the browser deciding to auto-play isn't entirely unreasonable! | 23:56 |
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| slate | :) | 23:58 |
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