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| tadzik | hello eson | 06:27 |
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| Stskeeps | moo | 06:28 |
| eson | hi tadzik | 06:28 |
| eson | ...and Stskeeps | 06:29 |
| Timo | Morning. | 06:29 |
| eson | morning Timo | 06:30 |
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| stephg | ningles | 06:32 |
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| * eson_mobile checking out the app to... | 06:45 | |
| eson | Is it "IRC for Sailfish", that counts or is there more apps? | 06:49 |
| tadzik | the one with the orange logo is the good one :P | 06:52 |
| tadzik | I don't know if there are others | 06:52 |
| tadzik | I usually just ssh to a server | 06:52 |
| eson_mobile | seems like this one :) | 06:52 |
| Timo | But the terminal keyboard is a no go tadzik. | 06:52 |
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| Timo | At least for 'normal' typing. | 06:53 |
| eson | think I have to learn this | 06:53 |
| tadzik | I find a virtual keyboard a no go for any kind of typing, to be honest | 06:53 |
| Timo | That is absolutely true, but of those two VKBs I prefer the default Jolla one. Still, the N900 was better for IRC. ;) | 06:55 |
| tadzik | agreed on both points :) | 06:55 |
| Bysmyyr | weechat + glowing bear is nice combo for irc | 06:55 |
| Nicd- | there will soon be another IRC app! ;) though it's a WeeChat remote UI | 06:57 |
| eson | weechat + glowing bear? | 06:57 |
| Nicd- | http://i.imgur.com/lSjzEJZ.png -- teaser :) | 06:58 |
| eson | I'm actually a Windows guy with an history on direct connect, who is trying hard to leave windows behind | 06:58 |
| Nicd- | eson: weechat is an IRC client, glowing bear is a web UI for it | 06:58 |
| eson | thanks | 06:58 |
| Bysmyyr | and also: if you change to use glowing bear it is easy to change that native client when it works | 06:59 |
| eson | as I said... I have things to learn ;) | 06:59 |
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| tadzik | Nicd-: oh, that's awesome :) | 07:03 |
| tadzik | I hope it can filter out leaves/joins, just as my weechat does :) | 07:03 |
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| inz | Timo, I find myself to type faster with the terminal vkb over the OS one | 07:04 |
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| Bysmyyr | inz: and more typos? | 07:05 |
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| inz | Bysmyyr, haven't noticed any significant difference | 07:07 |
| inz | Then again, I never use suggestions | 07:07 |
| Bysmyyr | inz: ok, I make them much more, atleast missing spaces | 07:07 |
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| Timo | inz: I usually type just that one character next to the character I actually want in the terminal. | 07:20 |
| inz | Timo, buy smaller fingers from biltema | 07:22 |
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| Timo | Lol. | 07:24 |
| eson | have you ever bought anything from biltema, you know it wont work ;) | 07:25 |
| inz | eson, even their dog toy broke in a few weeks ;) | 07:25 |
| eson | I believe you | 07:26 |
| Timo | Ah, I can understand little of the Swedish stuff written there. It looks a bit like Dutch actually. | 07:26 |
| Timo | So, I'll remember this: Never buy something there if you want to use it >1 time. ;) | 07:27 |
| inz | Actually, their el cheapo roof bars have held together quite nicely, little rust here and there though after only one year | 07:27 |
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| Timo | Hmm, I should jump on my bike now and drive to school. | 07:28 |
| Timo | Well, see you guys. | 07:28 |
| eson | bye | 07:29 |
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| Nicd- | tadzik: it will be easy to implement with the message tags | 07:34 |
| tadzik | Nicd-: well, I was thinking along the lines of the built-in smartfilter | 07:35 |
| Nicd- | tadzik: I already have a feature request for it: https://bitbucket.org/vincit/harbour-weechatrelay/issue/1/message-styling-according-to-tags | 07:35 |
| Nicd- | tadzik: smartfilter adds a tag to the message | 07:35 |
| Nicd- | so it can be hidden or displayed differently in the relay client | 07:35 |
| tadzik | okay, cool :) | 07:35 |
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| norayr | okay, I've used syncevolution from console and was able to sync contacts with owncloud in slow mode. but after, in twoway it just replicated all my contacts on the server. | 08:05 |
| norayr | i don't get what i did wrong | 08:05 |
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| chem|st | kimmoli: crazyflie 2.0 is on preorder if you need another toy with i2c uart etc | 10:11 |
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| kimmoli | chem|st: i think my crowfund/preorder quota is full for this year... | 10:25 |
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| chem|st | mine too, _after_ ordering it... | 10:46 |
| chem|st | next toy next year I just hope that Jolla2 won't be on pre-order this year^^) | 10:47 |
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| ggabriel | is this jolla2 thing troll or real? if latter, link? :) | 10:51 |
| Nicd- | it's not real | 10:51 |
| chem|st | it has up to 4 times the payload of the first one, maybe I need to get some other propellers but the motors are Kv=14K 4.2V 1A | 10:52 |
| ggabriel | thanks Nicd- | 10:52 |
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| pdanek | OpenSUSE 13.2, which will be released in 1 month, will most probably use default Wayland, default btrfs, default KDE Frameworks 5 and not yet sure if default Plasma 5, or just available for install. | 13:12 |
| pdanek | Cool stuff. | 13:13 |
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| SK_work | pdanek: hum | 13:20 |
| SK_work | how will it manage default wayland ? | 13:20 |
| SK_work | that's an intersting queston$ | 13:20 |
| pdanek | ok | 13:21 |
| pdanek | wrong interpretation in arcticle | 13:21 |
| pdanek | another article says: openSUSE 13.2 Milestone 0 Released with Btrfs as Default and Wayland 1.4 | 13:22 |
| pdanek | so perhaps not by default :) | 13:22 |
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| flux | sk_work, it could manage with with xwayland I suppose | 14:45 |
| flux | and with limited GPU support :) | 14:45 |
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| oozbooz | anyone played with Nokia X/XL/X+/X2 phones? Oddly .. they run Android from the house of MS | 15:27 |
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| TemeV | ms already announced phasing out that android, so I wouldn't invest my money on those | 15:51 |
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| Toxip | Hello | 18:15 |
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| sledges | hi | 18:17 |
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| Toxip | I can haz update? :D | 18:17 |
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| Stskeeps | no, now you postponed it another da | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | y | 18:18 |
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| sledges | :)) | 18:20 |
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| TemeV | I wonder if postponing is cumulative or is juts postponed until day after tomorrow | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | cumulative. | 18:22 |
| TemeV | oh, have to check logs then to count when it will be published | 18:23 |
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| Nightmare__ | 28.april.2028 | 18:36 |
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| flux | finally, after the long wait, the first of April, it will be announced that the upgrade will be available? | 18:47 |
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| Scelt | badger? (not postponing the update) | 18:50 |
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| * DrainBamaged waves to the sledges \o | 19:00 | |
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| Toxip | or as blizzard would say soon(TM) | 19:09 |
| Nicd- | breaking news | 19:10 |
| Nicd- | update 9 will be released together with Half-Life 3 | 19:10 |
| Toxip | :D | 19:11 |
| Yaniel | as a bundle? | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | jolla, now with stea | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | m? | 19:12 |
| Toxip | jolla is now a steamboat! | 19:12 |
| Nicd- | The Other Half Box. it will also contain Hurd and the name of Olof Palme's killer | 19:12 |
| Yaniel | the android client already works... | 19:13 |
| Toxip | They also said that when they release younite in jolla store | 19:13 |
| Toxip | released* | 19:14 |
| Toxip | "why make a native app when android works on jolla?" | 19:14 |
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| Yaniel | an android app after all that pr talk is a bad joke at best | 19:15 |
| Toxip | indeed | 19:15 |
| Nicd- | an android app with a description that mentions downloading it from the itunes store ;) | 19:15 |
| Yaniel | lik... do you even try | 19:15 |
| Toxip | I think it says App store | 19:16 |
| Nicd- | Toxip: it says itunes store | 19:16 |
| Nicd- | and then talks about iphones and ipads | 19:16 |
| Toxip | last time I checked it said app store | 19:16 |
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| Toxip | "transfer files between your computer, iphone, ipad, tablet, and other phones and devices for free" | 19:18 |
| Yaniel | app store app | 19:18 |
| Toxip | yeah | 19:18 |
| Yaniel | and "download from itunes" | 19:18 |
| Toxip | still it should say jolla store app at least | 19:18 |
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| Toxip | oh yeah there it says that... | 19:19 |
| Toxip | fail | 19:19 |
| Toxip | a slap in the face | 19:19 |
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| ortylp | has anybody noticed battery drain after last hotfix update? | 19:20 |
| Yaniel | not more than since starting to use mitakuuluu | 19:20 |
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| ortylp | my Jolla dies about 18:00 where before the update it was running without problems till late evening | 19:23 |
| Toxip | everyone should just use xmpp :P | 19:23 |
| Nicd- | but they don't | 19:24 |
| Toxip | yeah, it's a shame | 19:24 |
| Toxip | people don't care about their privacy anymore | 19:24 |
| Nicd- | what does xmpp have to do with privacy? | 19:24 |
| Nicd- | it's just a protocol | 19:25 |
| Yaniel | xmpp with otr would be more like it | 19:25 |
| Toxip | you can use OTR with it? | 19:25 |
| Yaniel | but yeah if everyone could just use one sensible protocol, that would be awesom | 19:26 |
| Toxip | sure without OTR it's all the same | 19:26 |
| Nicd- | guess you could have OTR on top of whatsapp too | 19:26 |
| Toxip | whatsapp is xmpp and so is facebook chat | 19:26 |
| Toxip | well facebook is deprecating xmpp though | 19:26 |
| Toxip | in a year jolla facebook chat will stop working if they don't announce a replacing api for chat | 19:27 |
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| Eztran | 'whatsapp is xmpp' - what's the point of using a protocol if you're not gonna be compatible with anyone else using it? | 19:27 |
| Toxip | I know... | 19:28 |
| Eztran | I've ended up using almost nothing, personally - there's not much which overlaps between 'friends will actually adopt' and 'cares in the slightest about your privacy'. | 19:29 |
| Timo | "Few developers make me so angry as WhatsApp's ones. They just took XMPP, made a couple of changes so that it does not work with normal clients, forgot about any kind of security and call it a day. Their biggest idea is using phone numbers as identifiers and marketing their app as an SMS replacement instead of an internet chat. **** them." | 19:30 |
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| Eztran | I can't say it any better, so +1 =) | 19:31 |
| _inte_ | hello | 19:31 |
| Timo | But apparently, making some kind of chat protocol without security whatsoever, can make you a big big player on the chat market. | 19:31 |
| Toxip | :D quite true | 19:31 |
| _inte_ | all my calendars are gone and i dont know how to get them back | 19:31 |
| _inte_ | i tried to revert to an earlier backup but that didnt help | 19:31 |
| _inte_ | any ideas? | 19:31 |
| Eztran | Timo: OOI, where was that quote from? | 19:31 |
| Timo | http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3146455&cid=41469215 | 19:32 |
| Eztran | Cheers. Really does sum it up. | 19:32 |
| ortylp | +1 | 19:32 |
| _inte_ | Timo: it eventually worked out | 19:32 |
| _inte_ | they could have used any protocol but why would they | 19:33 |
| _inte_ | the big deal was the phone number directory | 19:33 |
| Timo | The whole point of not using a standard is making money out of it. | 19:33 |
| _inte_ | thats an amzing idea | 19:33 |
| Timo | And hell, I'm using it too. | 19:33 |
| Nicd- | Timo: it's all about marketing. it's not their fault that nerds came up with a better system before them but never got it easy to use so others would actually adopt it ;) | 19:33 |
| Timo | True. | 19:34 |
| _inte_ | well how would they make money using a standard then? | 19:34 |
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| Nicd- | well, marketing and usability | 19:34 |
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| Eztran | It's their fault they didn't give one about their users, though. Not that that stops anyone. | 19:34 |
| _inte_ | xmpp was to complex, so to say, and even google dropped xmpp interconnections | 19:34 |
| Toxip | yep, that's very sad | 19:34 |
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| Timo | _inte_: They wouldn't make money out of it, and that's why they changed the protocol so that it didn't comply anymore. | 19:35 |
| Toxip | I hate google+ | 19:35 |
| _inte_ | plus it is, from the users pov, similar to skype but inferior in functionality | 19:35 |
| _inte_ | Timo: so? | 19:35 |
| _inte_ | I only wonder why noone ever came up with a kind of "open whatsapp", sth. like a voluntary phone number where you can register (through an app) and leave your contacts, like xmpp, tox, etc. | 19:36 |
| _inte_ | so other users could look up your phone number and contact you through the contacts you left in the directory | 19:37 |
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| _inte_ | wanted to say, sth like a voluntary phone number directory | 19:38 |
| _inte_ | you register your phone number and leave your xmpp, skype, tox etc. | 19:38 |
| _inte_ | your friend registers his | 19:38 |
| _inte_ | and gets your skype, tox, etc. | 19:39 |
| Toxip | what's tox? | 19:39 |
| _inte_ | tox.im | 19:39 |
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| _inte_ | sth like skype but w/o NSA | 19:39 |
| Eztran | though... the kind of users who care about the registration being a bit messy could be the same ones who jump on the first bandwagon going? | 19:39 |
| _inte_ | I dont get you | 19:40 |
| _inte_ | registration shouldn be messy | 19:40 |
| _inte_ | could be done with an app | 19:40 |
| _inte_ | which extracts your details (you grant) and registeres them | 19:40 |
| Eztran | Sure, I mean that the people who simplifying the registration matters to... don't care about what standards you use or whatever, they jump for the marketing. | 19:41 |
| _inte_ | yeah | 19:41 |
| _inte_ | are there standards for that kind of app at all? | 19:41 |
| _inte_ | ldap? | 19:41 |
| _inte_ | :) | 19:41 |
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| _inte_ | thats an idea | 19:42 |
| _inte_ | wanted to learn how to program anyways | 19:42 |
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| _inte_ | so i will implement that next weekend | 19:43 |
| Eztran | I'm not sure how some of these users registered an email account in places, XMPP is about that difficult =) | 19:43 |
| _inte_ | probably, its even more difficult to register an xmpp account than using such an app | 19:44 |
| _inte_ | starts with - which provider to use | 19:44 |
| _inte_ | im with dukgo.com | 19:45 |
| _inte_ | but i barely use it since i really dont know many people using xmpp | 19:45 |
| Eztran | email is about as hard (which is to say, it isn't), and people manage that somehow... might be more the fact they've often heard of the email providers, which provides a kinda existing trust basis. | 19:45 |
| _inte_ | i use xmpp to connect to google and facebook, though | 19:45 |
| _inte_ | but this is not exactly the same :) | 19:45 |
| Eztran | With XMPP they're sorta on their own, unlikely to know who the providers are. | 19:46 |
| _inte_ | i only know dukgo.com and jabber.sth | 19:46 |
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| _inte_ | are there any other? | 19:46 |
| Eztran | Loads =) | 19:46 |
| _inte_ | i think so :) | 19:46 |
| _inte_ | but, do they differ by any means? | 19:46 |
| Eztran | Not really, no. | 19:47 |
| _inte_ | ok... no worries then :) | 19:47 |
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| _inte_ | people are barely using email nowadays since the future is facebook | 19:47 |
| _inte_ | :) | 19:47 |
| Eztran | Was just wondering if one reason XMPP's registration seems harder is that they don't know who provides it ( https://xmpp.net/directory.php is worth a look), while with email they've heard of Google, Yahoo, MS, their ISP, whoever... | 19:48 |
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| Yaniel | and then there is the rebel faction using irc | 19:48 |
| Eztran | Facebook... is a whole different problem =) | 19:48 |
| _inte_ | Yaniel: what was irc again? | 19:48 |
| _inte_ | :) | 19:48 |
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| _inte_ | Eztran: i guess its all about using a provider which offers everything | 19:49 |
| Yaniel | hush, we don't go into such details in public | 19:49 |
| _inte_ | that was icq in the beginning | 19:49 |
| _inte_ | since it was just a number | 19:50 |
| _inte_ | then it was skype | 19:50 |
| _inte_ | since it had video FIRST (and easy) | 19:50 |
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| Eztran | Mmm, same problem with social networks, messaging, etc... need that critical mass of users to snowball. | 19:50 |
| _inte_ | now its rather gtalk | 19:50 |
| _inte_ | because of gmail and android | 19:50 |
| Sail0r | whatsapp :P | 19:50 |
| _inte_ | and, sure, for mobile, its whatsapp | 19:51 |
| _inte_ | bbm was quite popular in the bb world | 19:52 |
| Eztran | There's no overestimating the power of a default install. Heck, it even worked for IE. | 19:52 |
| dunp | is there nice bitcoin wallet for jolla? | 19:52 |
| _inte_ | Eztran: jep | 19:53 |
| Toxip | dunp: no native wallet yet | 19:54 |
| _inte_ | well the thing that i suggested | 19:54 |
| _inte_ | directory | 19:54 |
| _inte_ | wasnt there something with this enum stuff | 19:54 |
| _inte_ | what ever happend to enum? | 19:54 |
| _inte_ | i guess i even remember registering one of my phone numbers... | 19:54 |
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| _inte_ | even though i dont remember which | 19:55 |
| dunp | :( | 19:55 |
| _inte_ | ok enum is only telephony but quite similar to this new messaging service introduced by some mobile providers | 19:57 |
| _inte_ | what was that called again | 19:57 |
| _inte_ | RCSe | 19:58 |
| _inte_ | well, i dont think RCSe is supported by jolla | 19:58 |
| _inte_ | i dont mind, its not supported by my provider either :) | 19:58 |
| _inte_ | propreitary rubbish | 19:58 |
| Eztran | Hmm. Hadn't heard of that one. | 19:59 |
| _inte_ | in Germany its provided by Vodafone and Tmobile | 19:59 |
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| _inte_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services | 19:59 |
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| _inte_ | oh, and even O2 | 20:00 |
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| _inte_ | well, im with eplus :) | 20:00 |
| _inte_ | they dont even offer LTE in my area :) | 20:00 |
| _inte_ | joyn | 20:01 |
| _inte_ | whatever | 20:01 |
| _inte_ | nothing that I (TM) need | 20:01 |
| _inte_ | i stay with irc | 20:01 |
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| Nicd- | _inte_: here: ™ | 20:07 |
| Toxip | this tox looks pretty good :) | 20:09 |
| _inte_ | Nicd-: is here not something like bing maps? SCNR | 20:10 |
| Nicd- | huh? | 20:10 |
| _inte_ | But honestly, I thought here was about mapping in the first place | 20:11 |
| _inte_ | if youre talking about Nokia here | 20:11 |
| Nicd- | no | 20:11 |
| _inte_ | or Nokia HERE | 20:11 |
| Nicd- | I just gave you a ™ | 20:11 |
| Nicd- | because it looked like you needed it | 20:11 |
| _inte_ | for what? | 20:11 |
| Nicd- | < _inte_> nothing that I (TM) need | 20:11 |
| _inte_ | My suggestion? | 20:11 |
| Nicd- | :D | 20:11 |
| _inte_ | ah | 20:11 |
| _inte_ | hehe | 20:11 |
| _inte_ | yep thanks :) | 20:12 |
| _inte_ | i guess HERE/Here/here is now available for Android | 20:12 |
| _inte_ | did anybody try it on Jolla already? | 20:12 |
| Toxip | Mapfactor is nice... OpenStreemap is better than here maps | 20:17 |
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| Toxip | more detailed and also has more pedestrian routes | 20:18 |
| Nicd- | if you live in the city, that is | 20:19 |
| Nicd- | if you go outside the city area, there's nothing | 20:19 |
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| chem|st | _inte_: sorry to hear that you have no LTE yet, I live in the city that had the first fiber network put in the ground - we call it "dark-fiber" as it is there but unused for ages^^ BUT we are also one of the first to have E+ LTE coverage... and that is everything else but dark | 20:26 |
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| chem|st | dunp: with a large sdcard you can use bitcoind^^ | 20:28 |
| chem|st | dunp: or even other cli wallets just no gui yet | 20:28 |
| sharpneli | Don't use bitcoind. It ruins battery life. | 20:29 |
| sharpneli | Always use some lite wallet in a mobile device | 20:29 |
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| dunp | chem|st, hah.. too slow to run full db at phone.. electrum using python but interface.. | 20:33 |
| chem|st | are there any android clients worth porting? apart of andreas schildbach's? | 20:34 |
| dunp | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mycelium.wallet | 20:35 |
| dunp | https://github.com/mycelium-com/wallet | 20:35 |
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| chem|st | oh that evolved since last time I checked, but still I will never use a bitcoin client on android | 20:37 |
| chem|st | at least not with more than 50eur worth of bitcoins and for that it is not useful yet | 20:37 |
| sharpneli | I find it funny that bitcoin is actually more tedious to use than the usual bank cards. You have to actually remember to transfer funds to the mobile wallet (bitcoin doesn't support same wallet in multiple machines really well) | 20:39 |
| dunp | sharpneli, i use same wallet on phone and desktop.. :D | 20:40 |
| chem|st | sharpneli: for that there is trezor, but jolla does not support usb-otg | 20:40 |
| stephg | evening | 20:40 |
| chem|st | o/ | 20:41 |
| stephg | so I printed my first ToH today which is quite cool (but rough round the edges) | 20:41 |
| sharpneli | dunp: I think the issue was with generating new addresses or something like that | 20:41 |
| stephg | I need to do a bit of sanding | 20:41 |
| stephg | but I *think* it's the first UV active one | 20:41 |
| dunp | have imported privkey to phone.. electrum generates lot of addresses from same seed | 20:41 |
| chem|st | stephg: grats, are you tinkering with HW as well? | 20:41 |
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| dunp | https://electrum.org/ | 20:42 |
| stephg | chem|st: no, I'm no kimmoli but small steps | 20:42 |
| stephg | there's a shop around the corner from the office that'll basically do it for you while you wait | 20:42 |
| stephg | (or come back( | 20:42 |
| stephg | going to go back tomorrow and play with the thickness, there were issues with it sticking to the plate/glass | 20:43 |
| chem|st | I do not have a 3d printer so I am limited to RasPi as it is too much of a hassle to maintain connectors on a jolla | 20:43 |
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| chem|st | I tried to fit Qi hardware beneath a standard toh, but it is just .5mm to thick | 20:44 |
| kimmoli | wut | 20:46 |
| kimmoli | stephg: UV tracer on print? | 20:47 |
| chem|st | if someone is interested in something more mature, fit a Jolla to this http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__39171__micro_integrated_pcb_w_escs_quadcopter_frame_235mm_kit_usa_warehouse_.html | 20:47 |
| stephg | dunno, I guess so, something in the plastic must be phosphorescent | 20:47 |
| stephg | it's pinkish in normal light, but I don't have a UV source to see if they were lying to me | 20:48 |
| chem|st | stephg: pinkish should get dark purple then | 20:48 |
| kimmoli | UV led-flashlight is handy | 20:49 |
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| stephg | chem|st: cool link. re: the colour, they were saying blue but who knows | 20:49 |
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| kimmoli | tracers are typically blue'ish | 20:50 |
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| kimmoli | but now GN | 20:50 |
| chem|st | stephg: the thing is crap but a cheap start | 20:50 |
| chem|st | I have a white->pink'ish->purple->dark-purple frisbee | 20:51 |
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| stephg | night kimmoli | 20:54 |
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| P67 | Hi all | 22:21 |
| P67 | I was tinkering around with the device lock, wondering what it did and how it works.. Though it seems i managed to permanently lock it out of order.. Got it in Recovery and mounted btrfs stuff...Anyone did this before? | 22:22 |
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| P67 | Curious if there is any fix to it and what makes the device lock work. :) | 22:26 |
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