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| send9 | Anyone know if there's currently a way to install nmap/ncat (or at least nc) via pkcon / zypper? | 00:57 |
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| send9 | Can't seem to install via OpenRepos | 00:57 |
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| send9 | Hmm maybe I'm wrong | 00:58 |
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| stephg | morning | 06:22 |
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| kimmoli | nah it's monday | 06:58 |
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| tmynttin | yay | 07:10 |
| Nicd- | spiiroin: is the 'dead' in your IP intentional? :P | 07:11 |
| spiiroin | Nicd-: ??? | 07:11 |
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| Nicd- | spiiroin: spiiroin (~spiiroin@2001:998:2a:dead:c54c:83d3:29e4:a67a) | 07:12 |
| spiiroin | aa... IP as in IP addess. I guess it is just missing brain ;-) | 07:12 |
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| Nicd- | I tried to come up with funny IPv6 addresses for my IP range but hexspeak is difficult | 07:13 |
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| Jope | feed c0ed babe dead beef cafe f00d 0ea7 1ee7 | 07:14 |
| Nicd- | I know have :c0de:d00d but when I reconnect it will be :beee:eeee:eeee:eee5 :D | 07:16 |
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| Jope | haha | 07:18 |
| Jope | that is a good one | 07:18 |
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| kimmoli | .. b00b:5 | 07:34 |
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| * kimmoli shows my maturity | 07:34 | |
| Jope | myäk | 07:35 |
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| Nicd- | kimmoli: I have b000::00b5 configured in my interface naturally | 07:51 |
| kimmoli | ah, just bigger... | 07:52 |
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| nbg | hi. I'm using the official calendar app and I want to sync all events with my caldav account, but somehow, the end time is set to the start time after a while. e.g., I have an event starting at 11:00 until 12:00. a few days later, it's set as 11:00 until 11:00. anyone else who experiences the same bug? any solutions? | 08:34 |
| faenil | have you already tried searching t.j.com? | 08:35 |
| faenil | +on | 08:36 |
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| nbg | yes, I read some threads about jolla and caldav, haven't seen anyone with such problems yet. | 08:36 |
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| rangoy_webchat | nbg: timezone issues? | 08:45 |
| nbg | rangoy_webchat: maybe, I live in germany. But ithen it would probably deviate only by multiples of one hour, e.g. 11:00 - 12:40 would set it to 11:40, not 11:00. | 08:49 |
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| faenil | oh jolla, why thou disconnect from tha internetz | 09:08 |
| r0kk3rz_ | Because its too cool for the internet | 09:09 |
| r0kk3rz_ | internet is so 20th century | 09:09 |
| * tbr alsmost doesn't encounter this anymore since he upgraded connman | 09:09 | |
| tbr | right, now it's internet of things | 09:10 |
| faenil | tbr: yeah I remember you saying that :) I haven't done that yet, waiting for the update | 09:10 |
| tbr | :) | 09:10 |
| r0kk3rz_ | tbt you running dev updates? | 09:10 |
| r0kk3rz_ | *tbr | 09:11 |
| SK_work | r0kk3rz_: opt-in connman ? | 09:11 |
| tbr | public build on my personal repo | 09:12 |
| * tbr recently rebuilt it from latest mer git | 09:12 | |
| r0kk3rz_ | oh right | 09:12 |
| tbr | but didn't have the time to upgrade to that | 09:12 |
| r0kk3rz_ | i look forward to the release then | 09:14 |
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| r0kk3rz_ | not sure running experimental stuff on my primary phone is the best idea | 09:19 |
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| tbr | yup, I made sure to have the original packages at hand in case I have to revert | 09:24 |
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| coderus | i can test everything you want if needed :D | 10:26 |
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| kjokinie | kimmoli: the nfc id missing question: send to repair. | 11:13 |
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| AL13N_work | heh, if you have a lan on a university: dead:c0ed:babe could be nice :-) | 11:18 |
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| AL13N_work | or rather dead:c0ed:babe:1 & dead:c0ed:babe:2 ,... | 11:19 |
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| kimmoli | kjokinie: that will be tricky, but user is happy after installing stuff manually. | 11:20 |
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| kjokinie | kimmoli: ok | 11:22 |
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| nosy1 | o7 | 11:31 |
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| nosy1 | just wanted to state that the regular meetup every first monday @c-base in berlin will happen today, too. come after 1800 UTC :) | 11:32 |
| kimmoli | kjokinie: any possibility to add wakeup to gpio67 ? | 11:32 |
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| kjokinie | kimmoli: I looked into that some time ago, but it wasn't quite as trivial as adding a wake up bit for it. The bug is still open in our bugzilla (and I'm lacking time to work on it more) :( | 11:38 |
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| pdanek | Hello! | 11:41 |
| pdanek | How are you guys doing today? | 11:41 |
| kimmoli | kjokinie: ok | 11:41 |
| pdanek | Do you think Fedora or OpenSUSE teams will soon start working on their own mobile OS? | 11:42 |
| * kimmoli mumbles | 11:42 | |
| pdanek | Look at Unity, it's getting pretty unified UI to be used on both desktop and mobile. | 11:43 |
| pdanek | KDE Plasma 5.0 is very polished and unified as well, more easy to be implemented for mobile OS. | 11:43 |
| pdanek | Ubuntu started it, why others shouldn't follow? | 11:43 |
| meklu | because others realize that mobile is a lost cause | 11:43 |
| * meklu cynics it up | 11:43 | |
| sharpneli | Hopefully they realized that mobile UI for desktops is a horrible abomination. | 11:44 |
| sharpneli | And trying any sort of unification is simply foolish | 11:44 |
| pdanek | So if Jolla company wouldn't exist now, it will not emerge anymore? It would be too late now? | 11:44 |
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| pdanek | would not* | 11:44 |
| meklu | eh. | 11:45 |
| meklu | mobile is overcrowded, and there's already an effective duopoly in the mobile OS space | 11:46 |
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| meklu | I can't really see comparatively tiny Linux distributions managing to make a substantial crack in the market for their doings | 11:47 |
| meklu | there's also the fact that, as sharpneli stated, convergence doesn't really work | 11:47 |
| meklu | there's a reason mobile UIs differ from desktop UIs | 11:48 |
| kimmoli | hmm, how do you call Linux which is not based on any "distro"? homebrew from scratch. Just invent a name for it? | 11:48 |
| meklu | that reason isn't all about tradition | 11:48 |
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| meklu | Linux From Scratch? | 11:49 |
| meklu | although that might imply having gone through the LFS manuals and stuff | 11:49 |
| AL13N_work | and using their system | 11:49 |
| AL13N_work | but | 11:49 |
| AL13N_work | not necessarily | 11:49 |
| AL13N_work | i've known someone who used LFS for their servers, and by LFS, i mean really compiling all | 11:50 |
| AL13N_work | there's also CLFS and CBLFS or something | 11:50 |
| AL13N_work | i can't remember the names | 11:50 |
| kimmoli | "linux from scratch" exists.. | 11:51 |
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| kimmoli | meh, forget | 11:52 |
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| AL13N_work | call it KimmoliOS | 11:53 |
| AL13N_work | :-) | 11:53 |
| kimmoli | i might | 11:53 |
| kimmoli | or kimmOS ... | 11:53 |
| pp_ | a | 11:54 |
| AL13N_work | but, isn't it difficult to first setup a toolchain and then building the toolchain and then building the kernel and core-utils and stuff? | 11:54 |
| AL13N_work | too much work | 11:54 |
| kjokinie | opensuse has a nice arm builds already.. though it's not exactly directed to mobile. mer/nemo has also that stuff | 11:55 |
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| kimmoli | ELDK | 11:56 |
| pdanek | AL13N_work: LFS for his servers? really? :O | 11:57 |
| pdanek | Fedora and openSUSE arm builds are rather for Raspberry-like world? | 11:57 |
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| kjokinie | yes. depends on how much you want to DIY.. they still got well maintained (AFAIK) set of core libs and utils | 12:00 |
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| Stskeeps | coderus: is mitakuulu listening on telephony in any way? | 12:23 |
| Nicd- | it listens for incoming SMS in the registration phase | 12:23 |
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| Stskeeps | phonecalls specifically | 12:24 |
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| coderus | Stskeeps: no, it just listen dbus for incoming sms | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | coderus: ok | 12:51 |
| coderus | for telephony you can check ScumStopper sources < very interesting! | 12:52 |
| coderus | https://sourceforge.net/p/scumstopper/code/ci/master/tree/ | 12:52 |
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| SK_work | update ! | 14:16 |
| SK_work | well, not the one you expects | 14:16 |
| SK_work | but update ! | 14:16 |
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| SK_work | https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/519128696427675648 | 14:16 |
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| aard_ | SK_work: the nss parts are pretty ugly | 14:18 |
| SK_work | what do you mean by ugly ? | 14:19 |
| aard_ | as in "you want those closed" | 14:19 |
| SK_work | next release will have them less ugly ? | 14:19 |
| aard_ | no, the fixing is not ugly, the vulnerability is ugly | 14:20 |
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| tadzik | I thought there'd be at least update on the update | 14:21 |
| aard_ | tadzik: "we are getting there" | 14:21 |
| tadzik | :) | 14:21 |
| tadzik | honestly, I'd rather get it in December if I could get that vibration hotfix :P | 14:22 |
| SK_work | aard_: ah | 14:22 |
| clau | what's the vibration hotfix? | 14:22 |
| tadzik | there isn't one | 14:22 |
| tadzik | so when you disable haptic feedback, you disable vibrations everywhere | 14:23 |
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| SK_work | tadzik: +1 | 14:23 |
| aard_ | tadzik: we just pushed the hotfix out, while in parallel working on another release candidate for u9 for internal testing | 14:23 |
| tadzik | aard_: cool | 14:23 |
| clau | tadzik: I see. That's bad. | 14:24 |
| tadzik | clau: it makes me thing that no one in jolla (QA included) disables haptic feedback :D | 14:25 |
| clau | I have another issue with the haptic feedback: it misses plenty of events. | 14:26 |
| tadzik | that too | 14:26 |
| tadzik | I'd rather have it turned on only for pulley menu | 14:26 |
| tadzik | there it's actually useful | 14:26 |
| clau | though, that might also be becasue of the hw | 14:26 |
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| SK_work | clau: and then, fire them at the same time | 14:30 |
| SK_work | tadzik: +1 | 14:30 |
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| louisdk | How can I search for specific words in a contacts sms messages? I've dumped a backup onto my Linux laptop. Can I grep a specific file? | 14:41 |
| Wnt | louisdk: I'm pretty sure all messages are storen in some sqlite database file | 14:42 |
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| Sail0r | yay update ^^ | 14:50 |
| Sail0r | but not 9 | 14:50 |
| SK_work | louisdk: the db is in ~/.local/share/data/privileged/<somewhere> | 14:50 |
| SK_work | it is a db used by libcomhistory | 14:50 |
| louisdk | SK_work, found it, however I don't have messages as far back as I want to. | 14:53 |
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| louisdk | Can I set a level to repos on my Jolla like is possible on eg. Debian. So I can ignore newer releases of eg. bash from community repos? | 15:03 |
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| SK_work | louisdk: hum ... it think it is very apt related | 15:07 |
| SK_work | don't think you can with debian | 15:07 |
| SK_work | with rpm | 15:07 |
| SK_work | * | 15:07 |
| aard_ | louisdk: right now, no. but I did some prototyping for that, so it's generally possible, I just need to find more time to get it production ready and roll it out | 15:13 |
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| pdanek | Update9 is going to be the big one? | 16:35 |
| pdanek | Largest update yet? | 16:36 |
| Morpog_PC | no, just complexest | 16:36 |
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| Wnt | most complexest | 16:36 |
| pdanek | 44 gigabyte update | 16:36 |
| pdanek | no, 42! | 16:36 |
| pdanek | make it 42G please | 16:37 |
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| Yaniel | how are you going to install that | 16:38 |
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| pdanek | over 2 days and nights | 16:39 |
| pdanek | thousands of new features, beating all mobile OSes together | 16:39 |
| pdanek | and lasers | 16:40 |
| Dima^ | what is Update9? | 16:41 |
| Dima^ | sdk? | 16:41 |
| Yaniel | Sailfish | 16:41 |
| Dima^ | how it's so big? | 16:42 |
| Nicd- | he was joking | 16:42 |
| giucam | lasers seems like a cool idea | 16:43 |
| Dima^ | Jolla's memory is only 16GB | 16:43 |
| Dima^ | Nicd-: ok :) | 16:44 |
| Dima^ | is OnePlus One the cure word here? | 16:44 |
| Wnt | Dima^: one needs to have a 64 GB sd card installed ;) | 16:45 |
| tigeli | Dima^: it does not cure anything ;) | 16:45 |
| Dima^ | :) | 16:45 |
| pdanek | OnePlus One will be soon beaten by Nexus 6? | 16:45 |
| pdanek | 5.9 inch phone | 16:45 |
| Dima^ | Wnt: OS uses only main memory | 16:45 |
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| Dima^ | why they made so big phones? | 16:46 |
| Dima^ | impossible to use with one hand | 16:46 |
| pdanek | Dima^: After update9 it can use any kind of memory, Sailfish will grow by itself, AI, it will spread on network and do complex computations and make your life much better! | 16:46 |
| pdanek | The bezels and upper/bottom space will be quite small, so even though it will be 5.9 inch, phone size will be about the size of iPhone 6+ | 16:47 |
| Dima^ | pdanek: is there a risk of take overing the world and destroying humanity? | 16:47 |
| tadzik | Dima^: agreed | 16:47 |
| tadzik | Jolla is just about too big for me | 16:47 |
| pdanek | and iPhone 6 Plus seems to sell | 16:47 |
| pdanek | Dima^: humanity is overrated | 16:47 |
| Dima^ | people buy it just because it is iphone | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | phones aren't going to get smaller. | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | small screens are soon more price than big screens | 16:48 |
| tadzik | people always say that one thing SF got wrong is that computers are getting smaller, not bigger over time | 16:48 |
| tadzik | but now, the mystery's solved! It's not computers, it's phones in SF movies | 16:48 |
| Dima^ | i love my nexus 7 tablet and wating for Nexus 5.. then I'll sending my jolla to care | 16:48 |
| tadzik | in the future they will be the size of a starship | 16:48 |
| pdanek | What about Jolla bend test? Was it done yet? :D | 16:48 |
| Nicd- | so, since they pushed a hotfix, I'm assuming no update tomorrow :/ | 16:48 |
| Morpog_PC | Nicd-, I guess earliest next week | 16:48 |
| Morpog_PC | if they don't have to do another RC :D | 16:49 |
| Nicd- | that's a pretty big delay already | 16:49 |
| tadzik | silly, of course September update will be in September. Duh | 16:49 |
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| Wnt | tadzik: what is SF? SourceForge? San Francisco? | 16:49 |
| tadzik | 11 more months, stop being so eager | 16:49 |
| tadzik | Wnt: Science Fictoin | 16:49 |
| Dima^ | "If Jolla bends, you can change TOH whenever you want." | 16:49 |
| Wnt | tadzik: OK :) | 16:49 |
| Nightmare__ | yeah update! :D yeah tutorial is reinstalled.... :( :D | 16:50 |
| Morpog_PC | just put it in a folder named crap | 16:50 |
| AL13N | when monitors can be holographically projected, then computers will go smaller again | 16:51 |
| phlixi | i was about to write the same (create folder named "crap") actually already did this on n9 ;-) | 16:51 |
| phlixi | AL13N i guess before that a laser will beam the picture into your eye | 16:52 |
| phlixi | ...sitting on glasses | 16:52 |
| pdanek | I wonder when people will get smaller again. | 16:52 |
| AL13N | phlixi: and people will go mysteriously blind | 16:52 |
| Dima^ | where is the link to "what's new" ? | 16:52 |
| pdanek | During last 200 years or so, average height has increased. | 16:52 |
| tadzik | what about width? :o | 16:53 |
| tadzik | WHEN DOES IT STOP | 16:53 |
| phlixi | Dima^: it is displayed when you check for update in settings | 16:53 |
| pdanek | ah, width! | 16:53 |
| pdanek | we get taller and wider | 16:53 |
| tadzik | oh, that's fine then | 16:53 |
| Dima^ | philandstuff: I want to see on my computer :) | 16:53 |
| AL13N | tadzik: go to Texas and see the movie e-Wally | 16:53 |
| Nightmare__ | ./pkcon remove sailfish-tutorial | 16:53 |
| Nightmare__ | :) | 16:53 |
| tadzik | AL13N: I knew that'd come up :P | 16:53 |
| AL13N | :-) | 16:53 |
| tadzik | AL13N: but I didn't find Texas nearly as obnoxious as Florida :P | 16:54 |
| phlixi | Dima^: it is probably the first one (TM) in TGC | 16:54 |
| phlixi | https://together.jolla.com/question/57874/release-notes-security-hotfix-for-tahkalampi-10821/ | 16:54 |
| Morpog_PC | hmm seems rainemak is now alone maintaining UI of sailfish-browser :( | 16:54 |
| tadzik | although that may have been all those fat people on electric tricycles who wanted to get a priority queue in disney because of being "disabled" | 16:54 |
| AL13N | well,i don't, a friend of mine worked in texas (we're from .be) and he saw people at the beach sitting in their own fat | 16:54 |
| tadzik | :D | 16:54 |
| tadzik | how convenient | 16:54 |
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| Dima^ | ah.. hotfix | 16:55 |
| Dima^ | nothing new | 16:55 |
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| AL13N | hotfix for bash? | 16:55 |
| Nicd- | and NSS and NSPR | 16:55 |
| AL13N | nice! | 16:55 |
| pdanek | Did anyone try to use packages from OpenSUSE OBS on Sailfish? | 16:55 |
| AL13N | sec hotfix | 16:55 |
| AL13N | this is what we needed | 16:55 |
| pdanek | AT least some CLI stuff? | 16:55 |
| AL13N | speaking of which... | 16:56 |
| AL13N | gtg... food | 16:56 |
| phlixi | ...Links opened from outside the browser still are opened in the top tab (instead of spawning an new tab -.-) ;-( | 16:56 |
| phlixi | ...actually i already have to create a dummy-tab, quite annoying | 16:57 |
| phlixi | always* | 16:57 |
| Morpog_PC | that should be fixed with update9 | 16:58 |
| pdanek | if you open a browser and click on middle button to show tabs while page is still loading, browser crashes | 16:58 |
| pdanek | quite a major issue | 16:58 |
| phlixi | pdanek: never happened to me, i do that all the time (since i "need" to open new tabs, as mentioned above) | 16:59 |
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| Wnt | pdanek: https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/issues/186 | 16:59 |
| Morpog_PC | it's fully open source you can build more recent versions by yourself | 16:59 |
| pdanek | Wnt: yes, that's it, always reproducable on my phone | 17:00 |
| phlixi | Morpog_PC: is there a tutorial for noobs like me how to do that? for example, i would like to install the latest version of gpodder from github (since the last bugfixes where i am affected on are not released yet) | 17:01 |
| Wnt | Morpog_PC: unfortunatelly the process of building the browser is quite complicated and at least I only got a even more buggy browser as the result | 17:01 |
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| Wnt | e.g. the rendered browser view was mirrored in both x- and y-axis :D | 17:02 |
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| Morpog_PC | yeah, building sailfish-browser is a bit complicated, as it depends on other packages which also need to be updated. coderus had a nightly build on openrepos, but did'nt update it anymore unfortunately | 17:02 |
| Morpog_PC | phlixi, gpodder should be more easy to build, you need to install sdk, and get a traball of latest code. Then open the specfile from sdk and try ti build after setting target to emulator. If it fails people in #sailfishos can help. Pinging thp could help too if he has time to answer. | 17:04 |
| Morpog_PC | the sailfishos sdk webpage has a mini tutorial how to build an app | 17:04 |
| phlixi | thanks | 17:05 |
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| phlixi | actually not sure if this is needed, since only a few files changed, and i am just to lazy to update those few lines from hand | 17:07 |
| Morpog_PC | lol | 17:07 |
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| phlixi | in theory i guess it should be enough to copy the two or three files, but i thought there migt be a process to automate this | 17:07 |
| phlixi | actuyll i could modify the existing files... | 17:08 |
| phlixi | ...just thought it should be possible to get the changed files magically installed | 17:08 |
| phlixi | afaik nothing needs to be compiled | 17:09 |
| Morpog_PC | well, just edit them on the device | 17:09 |
| phlixi | that does not sound like the method someone would use who is familiar with all that github stuff | 17:09 |
| Morpog_PC | well I did that before, sometimes I'm just too lazy to fork, commit, build, etc. | 17:10 |
| Morpog_PC | in the end you could even use a webhook to let OBS build your app | 17:10 |
| Morpog_PC | but for a few lines of code it's just overkill | 17:11 |
| phlixi | non need to fork etc, my code (pull?) is already acepted and went into the real project (merge?) | 17:11 |
| phlixi | ok | 17:12 |
| Morpog_PC | sure, was just an example | 17:12 |
| phlixi | however, i might try the tarball, sdk build route in order to learn something :-) | 17:13 |
| phlixi | the outcome should be some rpm which i can simply download and click to install, right? | 17:14 |
| phlixi | or will the sdk install it for me | 17:14 |
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| phlixi | o wow, 19:15, gg2... thanks Morpog_PC! ;-) | 17:16 |
| pdanek | Is there a statistic about most active channels on Freenode? | 17:16 |
| pdanek | he is Mmorpg_PC | 17:16 |
| pdanek | I always see the name like this | 17:16 |
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| Morpog_PC | lol | 17:17 |
| Morpog_PC | I don't even play MMORPG's ;) | 17:17 |
| phlixi | sry | 17:17 |
| phlixi | pdanek: pretty sure it is #python | 17:17 |
| Morpog_PC | phlixi, yes the outcome would be a installable rpm | 17:17 |
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| Morpog_PC | or a direct deploy, but I prefer RPM | 17:18 |
| phlixi | pdanek: and there is /list :-) | 17:19 |
| pdanek | but number of people doesn't mean how active it is | 17:20 |
| pdanek | number of messages could be good | 17:20 |
| TMavica | O there is update | 17:21 |
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| pdanek | watch out, it has 42 gigabytes | 17:21 |
| TMavica | but............ | 17:21 |
| TMavica | damn | 17:21 |
| pdanek | be sure you're on wifi | 17:21 |
| TMavica | wasted my time... | 17:22 |
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| Nicd- | TMavica: he is joking | 17:22 |
| pdanek | That's obvious. :D | 17:22 |
| TMavica | i rushed to home to update, but it is useless | 17:22 |
| pdanek | Sorry I should troll less. | 17:22 |
| TMavica | damn | 17:22 |
| pdanek | Yea, it's just hotfix. | 17:23 |
| pdanek | No new features. | 17:23 |
| tigeli | "just" | 17:23 |
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| TMavica | When i saw a update logo then I rush back to home immediately, I am in occupycentral | 17:26 |
| pdanek1 | When I saw the update logo, I opened jollausers.com immediately :) | 17:26 |
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| pdanek1 | and found out it's a hotfix | 17:26 |
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| pdanek1 | Are any of members of old Maemo/MeeGo team in Nokia still employed by Microsoft at the moment? | 17:27 |
| pdanek1 | And... did majority switch to Jolla, or just small part? | 17:28 |
| pp_ | well, technically there are probably still a bunch in oulu :-) | 17:30 |
| pp_ | the logo is still there! | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | and some people went on to nokia x | 17:31 |
| pdanek1 | Is there still hope that Nokia X may do mobile stuff? | 17:32 |
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| pdanek1 | Like wearables? | 17:32 |
| pp_ | nokia proper is hiring android people (a few) | 17:33 |
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| pdanek1 | I see. | 17:34 |
| pdanek1 | Idea! | 17:34 |
| pdanek1 | If Richard Stallman has to choose between lesser evil (for him, both are evil for sure), would he pick Android or Sailfish? | 17:35 |
| pp_ | analog phone with schematics included | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | bit of a philosophical argument | 17:37 |
| pp_ | and even then he'd complain that he'd have to connect it to a proprietary dx200 or somesuch | 17:37 |
| pdanek1 | Well, he would complain for sure, but imagine he has to choose. | 17:38 |
| pdanek1 | Not build his own from AOSP, but for example rootable Nexus 5 with Stock Android or Jolla. | 17:39 |
| pdanek1 | :) | 17:39 |
| tadzik | phones are evil, haven't you heard? | 17:39 |
| mord | pdanek1: he'd prolly compare replicant and sailfish | 17:39 |
| tadzik | I'm sorry, "Personal Surveillance Devices" is how he calls them | 17:39 |
| mord | android as such is of course out of the question | 17:40 |
| pdanek1 | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/sep/19/android-free-software-stallman | 17:40 |
| pdanek1 | So he supports replicant. | 17:41 |
| mord | no, i think he thinks it's not inherently evil | 17:41 |
| pdanek1 | ah, right! | 17:41 |
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| pdanek | When Sailfish will be released with Hurd kernel? | 17:50 |
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| Stskeeps | never | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | i'd rather go L4 before hurd | 17:51 |
| tadzik | Hurdurr kernel? | 17:51 |
| mord | hurd is interesting. useful? not so much. | 17:51 |
| pdanek | Debian did it. | 17:52 |
| AL13N | L4 ? | 17:52 |
| pdanek | But I like L4, so lets switch to L4 in Update 12. | 17:52 |
| pdanek | :D | 17:52 |
| AL13N | what's L4? | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L4_microkernel_family | 17:53 |
| AL13N | hurd can't be done... there's non-free drivers that requires linux-3.4 | 17:53 |
| AL13N | i doubt any other kernel will work | 17:53 |
| AL13N | i can only hope a future lts version of the non-free drivers can be done | 17:53 |
| pp_ | seL4 ! | 17:54 |
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| pdanek | AL13N: Microkernel, some Hurd developers began the project long time ago. | 17:54 |
| pdanek | Stskeeps is already working on L4 Mer release, privately. He won't confirm this of course. | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | pft, i was doing l4 systems when you didn't even know about jolla | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | based on l4ka::pistachio | 17:56 |
| pdanek | https://who.is/whois/merproject.net | 17:57 |
| * pp_ remembers mklinux, on a ppc apple some lmbench results were worse than on a sun3/60 | 17:57 | |
| pdanek | Expires On October 10, 2014 | 17:57 |
| pdanek | Year has passed and we have the issue again. :D | 17:57 |
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| AL13N | anyone knows what's the new lts kernel? | 17:57 |
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| pdanek | Stskeeps: but I didn't even receive any domain expiration reminder this time, have you got anything? | 18:00 |
| pdanek | Oh, I did! | 18:01 |
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| pdanek | Ubuntu version of the Meizu MX4 phone due in December | 18:13 |
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| pdanek | It's finally here. | 18:16 |
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| Stskeeps | i'll believe it when i see it shipping with a CE certification and having done field tests | 18:26 |
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| pdanek | Stskeeps: regarding the domain, will you extend it? should I ignore it? | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, just got some other problems with other domains | 18:27 |
| pdanek | fine | 18:27 |
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| Morpog_PC | Stskeeps, do you know what process is RX_Thread? It seems to use about 8% CPU as soon as my Jolla is connected to wifi and receives about 1MB data per minute | 18:38 |
| Morpog_PC | is that some kind of watchdog to keep the wifi connection alive? | 18:38 |
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| Stskeeps | Morpog_PC: ... probably the receiver thread for the wifi module..? | 18:40 |
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| Stskeeps | at a whild guess | 18:40 |
| Morpog_PC | but what does it receive? | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | [20:38] <Morpog_PC> Stskeeps, do you know what process is RX_Thread? It seems to use about 8% CPU as soon as my Jolla is connected to wifi and receives about 1MB data per minute | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | and what it receives.. i don't know, tcpdump? | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | it might just be getting signaling | 18:41 |
| Morpog_PC | sure, but there is no app active that could receive data | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | i don't know enough about the wlan driver | 18:41 |
| Morpog_PC | I even killed alien dalvik to be sure it's not some background stuff | 18:42 |
| Nightmare__ | my rx_thread is on0% cpu while connected to wlan | 18:42 |
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| Stskeeps | tcpdump is probably best choice | 18:43 |
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| pdanek | lol, I so didn't know about this: http://www.muktware.com/2013/02/linus-torvalds-to-secure-boot-supporters-this-is-not-a-dick-sucking-contest/4035 | 18:44 |
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| Morpog_PC | tcpdump -D gives no output :( | 18:46 |
| Morpog_PC | ok, needed to be root | 18:46 |
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| Morpog_PC | hmmm, wtf, it's spammed over and over with my lan printer | 18:49 |
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| Stskeeps | there you go | 18:49 |
| Morpog_PC | mdns | 18:49 |
| Morpog_PC | let me shutdown it to see if it helps | 18:50 |
| locusf | can Jolla even print? | 18:50 |
| Morpog_PC | it seems to be the SDCARD port on that printer | 18:51 |
| Morpog_PC | wow, tcpdump looks so much better now | 18:51 |
| Morpog_PC | RX_Thread now at 0.3% | 18:52 |
| Morpog_PC | and less | 18:52 |
| Morpog_PC | strange printer | 18:52 |
| Morpog_PC | floods my home network, that could explain some other strange effects | 18:53 |
| Morpog_PC | thx for input Stskeeps! | 18:53 |
| Tegu | printer with DOS capabilities | 19:00 |
| pdanek | http://youtu.be/Y33x9PK7cRg?t=12m27s | 19:04 |
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| pdanek | sharpneli: that supports yours statement today, that having same UI for desktop and mobile is horrible idea | 19:08 |
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| raa700 | Morpog_PC: printer model? | 19:12 |
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| Morpog_PC | raa700, canon mp640 | 19:20 |
| Morpog_PC | I disabked SCDARC over ethernet and bonjour, one of bot must have been it | 19:20 |
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| Morpog_PC | disabled*, sdcard* | 19:20 |
| Morpog_PC | both* | 19:20 |
| raa700 | or* | 19:21 |
| Morpog_PC | lol, maybe | 19:21 |
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| pdanek | Project Ara = IBM/360 in mobile world? | 19:38 |
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| pdanek | http://youtu.be/IQhbM55F23U | 20:01 |
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| r0kk3rz_ | yaaay update | 21:32 |
| tadzik | not really | 21:33 |
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| pdanek | Has btrfs proven to be stable on Sailfish? | 21:33 |
| r0kk3rz_ | to bash | 21:33 |
| r0kk3rz_ | people have btrfs issues from time to time | 21:34 |
| r0kk3rz_ | so depends on what you call stable | 21:34 |
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| stephg | pdanek: I'd say yeah it's stable | 21:39 |
| stephg | space issues != corruption | 21:39 |
| tigeli | yeah, i would not say ext4 isn't any better if you have full fs | 21:40 |
| tigeli | s/isn't/is/ | 21:41 |
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| stephg | bedtiem. g'night folks | 21:44 |
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| chem|st | pdanek: metadata mis/pre-allocation seems to mess up things | 21:51 |
| chem|st | and it isn't very crash resitant | 21:52 |
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| M4rtinK | everything you ever wanted to know about modRana 0.49.2, but were too afraid to ask: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1442148&postcount=1658 | 21:55 |
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| chem|st | :D | 22:24 |
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| chem|st | M4rtinK: a global maps folder could come handy at some point... | 22:30 |
| chem|st | does it blow up in my face if I try to bend the folder to the android storage where I have 12GB of maps already downloaded? | 22:31 |
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| M4rtinK | should be fine | 22:32 |
| M4rtinK | both symlinks | 22:32 |
| chem|st | you mean for tile DL and for preloaded? | 22:33 |
| M4rtinK | and changing the path in /home/nemo/.config/harbour-modrana/user_config.conf | 22:33 |
| chem|st | ok | 22:34 |
| M4rtinK | just check if the tile storage structure is compatible | 22:35 |
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| M4rtinK | BTW, I've proposed a map data storage framework for the uSD card back in March: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-March/003731.html | 22:36 |
| M4rtinK | but haven't got much feedback | 22:36 |
| pdanek | Jolla 2! | 22:36 |
| chem|st | hmm nice... | 22:37 |
| chem|st | M4rtinK: is obf ok? | 22:37 |
| M4rtinK | considering this is the first time I hear about it | 22:38 |
| M4rtinK | NO | 22:38 |
| M4rtinK | :D | 22:38 |
| chem|st | I have osmand obf or for oruxmaps .map | 22:39 |
| M4rtinK | osmand uses vector data | 22:39 |
| chem|st | yes | 22:39 |
| M4rtinK | and modRana supports only map tiles so far | 22:40 |
| chem|st | ok so picture plus corner coordinates | 22:40 |
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| M4rtinK | yeah | 22:40 |
| M4rtinK | and the coordinates are given by folder names & image name | 22:41 |
| M4rtinK | z/x/y.png|jpg IIRC | 22:41 |
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| M4rtinK | and modRana can also store the tiles to a sqlite db (less files), but I don't know about any other apps adapting the same format | 22:42 |
| M4rtinK | (described here BTW: http://modrana.org/trac/wiki/SQLiteStorageDescriptionEN) | 22:42 |
| M4rtinK | well, I'd like to add vector rendering eventually | 22:43 |
| M4rtinK | so I'll have to choose some vector data format in the future | 22:43 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC Mapbox has one quite widely used one based on PBF | 22:44 |
| M4rtinK | and the osmand one might also by a good candidate | 22:44 |
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| chem|st | I like oruxmaps very much though, I think it is svg+profiles | 22:50 |
| chem|st | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapsforge | 22:52 |
| chem|st | gtg, good night | 22:52 |
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