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| Morpog_PC___ | I don't want a N900 successor | 07:28 |
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| Morpog_PC___ | oh he left | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | i kinda do | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | n900 was a damn workhorse | 07:29 |
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| Morpog_PC___ | Stskeeps, hope my explanation there was correct: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1441810&postcount=249 | 07:35 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 07:35 | |
| Stskeeps | long story short we can't scale displays sanely with 5.1, scenegraph is the main motivato | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | r | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | but yes, apis matter too | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | and memory consumption on GPU/rendering side is a lot lower, too | 07:36 |
| Morpog_PC___ | ah, so also a matter for a new device or android adaptions | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | yes, sometimes you have to futureproof | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, there's devices with 1080p and 2K these days.. | 07:37 |
| Morpog_PC___ | still so useless in my eyes :D | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | until you see 1080p sailfish | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | so beautiful | 07:38 |
| Morpog_PC___ | well, 1080p on >5" displays | 07:38 |
| Morpog_PC___ | but 2k is just overkill | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | but pixels | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:39 |
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| Morpog_PC___ | lol | 07:41 |
| Morpog_PC___ | even on my Jolla screen I only see the low resolution on small fonts, which is caused by the narrow sailfish font | 07:42 |
| Morpog_PC___ | I guess it would be already perfect with 720p | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | it was fun playing the 'what resolution is this' game before we announced indeed | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | people can't see it | 07:43 |
| Morpog_PC___ | *nod* | 07:44 |
| * kimmoli was ditracted what i was doing.. (waiting 4K display to arrive in phone-size devices) | 07:48 | |
| Morpog_PC___ | can't be long :) | 07:49 |
| Morpog_PC___ | and then they will wonder why the battery lasts so less and why games start to have low fps :D | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | i've seen a 4K TV.. and now i want one | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | not to mention that there's very little HD content on tv here in first place.. | 07:50 |
| kimmoli | i have seen few, and trying to avoid seeing more | 07:50 |
| kimmoli | before "shutupandtakemymoney" | 07:50 |
| Morpog_PC___ | Stskeeps, sure 4K would be great, aslong there would be enough content. Unless that I see that as useless | 07:50 |
| kimmoli | but you can use bolder fonts then... | 07:51 |
| Morpog_PC___ | Thats why I will get another 1080p TV at the end of the year (65") :D | 07:51 |
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| Stskeeps | also, qt5.2 helps on lower end too | 07:52 |
| Morpog_PC___ | I have seen a two 65" Samung TV next to each other from Samsung. One with 4K and one with 1080p, it was running HDTV and the 4k one looked less good | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | 5.1 was already pretty good on firefox os style hw | 07:52 |
| kimmoli | (we got OT i see) | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.sletta.org/apps/blog/show/42708211-looking-at-throughput-in-qt-quick | 07:53 |
| kimmoli | fail | 07:53 |
| Morpog_PC___ | hmmm, so in future sailfish could run well on 512mb devices? | 07:54 |
| Stskeeps | no promises | 07:54 |
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| Stskeeps | android support pushes those things completely out the window in general | 07:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:54 |
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| Stskeeps | and it's always a gamble.. next year's low end is 1gig, quad core.. | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:56 |
| Morpog_PC___ | hopefully, we need more ram :D | 07:57 |
| kimmoli | typically RAM is cheap, but not actually true in(side) mobile-devices | 07:57 |
| Morpog_PC___ | which is a shame | 07:58 |
| kimmoli | at work, while i have been working there, we have come from 8 MHz to 800 MHz (single-core) | 07:58 |
| kimmoli | skipped all 16-bit CPUs | 07:58 |
| kimmoli | and with data-rates, from 375 kbits to 1Gbits (main network 1Mbits to 100MBits) | 07:59 |
| kimmoli | so 1:100 scale. | 08:00 |
| kimmoli | components on PCB is like 50 -> 1000 | 08:01 |
| Morpog_PC___ | well my first "PC" (Amiga500) got 512KB ram which I upgraded to 1MB for lots of money back then :D Now my PC got 16GB | 08:02 |
| kimmoli | RAM from 32kbytes to 256MBytes | 08:03 |
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| kimmoli | i had amstrad PC with 512M (upgraded to 640K by adding chips on top of old ones and some wirewrap wire | 08:04 |
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| kimmoli | it had two 5" floppies, and then it was upgraded to have a 3½" floppy drive too | 08:05 |
| kimmoli | in a wooden box outside the casing... | 08:05 |
| Morpog_PC___ | thankfully I skipped the 5" floppy's :D | 08:07 |
| kimmoli | it had GEOS | 08:07 |
| kimmoli | "same" as Nokia 9000 | 08:07 |
| kimmoli | or not... it did run as UI on top of DOS | 08:07 |
| kimmoli | it is so long time, that need to "verify facts" from wikipedia :) | 08:08 |
| Morpog_PC___ | :D | 08:08 |
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| ggabriel | kimmoli: geos.... wow | 08:15 |
| ggabriel | geos was great | 08:15 |
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| AL13N | lol @ "kimmoli: i had amstrad PC with 512M" | 09:11 |
| AL13N | i had a 8086 from '85 which had been upgraded to 640K with 2 5" floppy bays | 09:13 |
| AL13N | and a 8088 from my birth year '81 , which had one 5" and one 3½" floppy drive | 09:13 |
| ggabriel | ok, if we're gonna compete i started with a c64 which wasn't upgradeable :P | 09:13 |
| kimmoli | :) | 09:14 |
| AL13N | doe the c64 count? | 09:14 |
| kimmoli | it is still kicking... | 09:14 |
| ggabriel | (it did have a floppy disk drive but you had to flip the diskette to read the other side) | 09:14 |
| AL13N | did anyon ever had the 4004 cpu? | 09:14 |
| ggabriel | well, my first programming experience was with a c64 | 09:14 |
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| AL13N | still, i think kimmoli wins | 09:14 |
| kimmoli | i had original commodore matrix-printer... | 09:14 |
| AL13N | with his Amtrad with 512M haha | 09:14 |
| kimmoli | (515k) | 09:15 |
| kimmoli | kfsadfsd | 09:15 |
| kimmoli | grr | 09:15 |
| ggabriel | my first bbs ran on a c64 | 09:15 |
| ggabriel | well, c128 in c64 mode | 09:15 |
| ggabriel | 512M of RAM sounds like a lot | 09:15 |
| AL13N | and he upgraded it to 640K | 09:15 |
| AL13N | lol | 09:15 |
| kimmoli | I tried to fool | 09:15 |
| kimmoli | but you got me | 09:15 |
| AL13N | i guess ggabriel didn't notice it :-) | 09:15 |
| ggabriel | i don't know the amstrad sadly | 09:16 |
| ggabriel | personal computer history really depends on where you are from/grew up | 09:16 |
| ggabriel | and whatever was available/affordable | 09:16 |
| AL13N | it doesn't matter, when you upgrade 512M to 640K, you know something's up | 09:16 |
| kimmoli | the powersupply was in monitor-part, and 5V etc was carried to mainunit via ext cable | 09:16 |
| ggabriel | ah, i didn't pay attention ;) | 09:16 |
| kimmoli | AL13N: i got it. tnx. | 09:16 |
| ggabriel | also: 640k sounds like a lot too ;) | 09:17 |
| ggabriel | my first xt had 1M RAM | 09:17 |
| AL13N | kimmoli: i was just explaining to ggabriel... | 09:17 |
| AL13N | mines didn't have hard drives | 09:18 |
| AL13N | didn't the amstrads have hard drives? | 09:18 |
| ggabriel | my xt had a hard drive, really handy actually | 09:18 |
| ggabriel | in comparison with the norm then | 09:18 |
| kimmoli | i got 20MB drive later to that, after it had to add extra fans and heatsinks to the power, and extra capacitors to main-unit | 09:18 |
| AL13N | i jumped from 8088 to a pentium MMX | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | wow | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | that must have felt strange | 09:19 |
| AL13N | i had nothing in between | 09:19 |
| AL13N | from DOS to win95... | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | i only skipped the 286 | 09:19 |
| AL13N | the novelty wore off soon | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | then had pretty much everything in between | 09:19 |
| ggabriel | until intel started releasing chips retardedly | 09:20 |
| kimmoli | oo 286-12MHz (or was it 12.5MHz) was a rocket after amstrad | 09:20 |
| AL13N | my parents had no money, the pentium was the first new PC, all the others had been wore-me-downs | 09:20 |
| AL13N | after the pentium, i learned more of hardware and put in a K6-II | 09:20 |
| ggabriel | on a serious note, when you're a kid/young/have lots of time, it's a shame that money is a limiter for access to computers | 09:20 |
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| AL13N | it had 2.1GB HD | 09:21 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: we lived in the red... mostly due to bad decisions on my parents part | 09:21 |
| AL13N | but they didn't listen to me | 09:21 |
| kimmoli | i remember the feeling when got first 20GByte HDD | 09:21 |
| AL13N | cause i was just a kid | 09:21 |
| AL13N | the 2.1GB was WD | 09:22 |
| AL13N | it broke | 09:22 |
| AL13N | and the replacement was 3.2GB | 09:22 |
| AL13N | that one broke too | 09:22 |
| kimmoli | one strange things were these removable Zippy and bernoulli-box things | 09:22 |
| AL13N | and the replacement was 4.6GB | 09:22 |
| AL13N | then that one broke too and got me a 6.4GB | 09:22 |
| AL13N | and that one broke and that got me another 6.4GB | 09:23 |
| AL13N | then i bought a new disk, and wanted another brand | 09:23 |
| ggabriel | AL13N: parents never listen to their kids, they know better ;) | 09:23 |
| kimmoli | you are living in same apartment, and you have logs written on wall ? | 09:23 |
| * ggabriel bbl - run | 09:23 | |
| AL13N | but it's nice that WD upgraded me freely from 2.1GB to 6.4GB | 09:23 |
| AL13N | kimmoli: i did wrote something on the wall when i was 5 | 09:24 |
| AL13N | but not logs | 09:24 |
| AL13N | the price for the WD upgrade was loss of data... which i wasn't willing to pay | 09:24 |
| kimmoli | that s**ks | 09:25 |
| AL13N | after a few maxtors, i got seagate and never looked back | 09:25 |
| * AL13N shrugs, HD's break, that's what they do | 09:25 | |
| kimmoli | urf, i was coding something... the lipstick crashed, and got distracted... | 09:26 |
| AL13N | i didn't know the importance of backup back then | 09:26 |
| AL13N | oh :-( | 09:26 |
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| Sail0r | https://together.jolla.com/question/57698/warning-phone-bricked-after-updates/ | 12:24 |
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| Stskeeps | sigh | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | if you update system packages with a third party package manager you're bound to get hurt in some way | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | we don't at all QA that scenario, nor can we | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | you can also restore factory settings | 12:32 |
| ggabriel | so technically not bricked | 12:32 |
| Sail0r | I wonder why the people just update everything without thinking ^^ | 12:33 |
| Sail0r | but a pkcon update or zypper up would do the same? Wouldn't it? | 12:33 |
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| Morpog_PC___ | sounds like update9 is imminent :D | 12:35 |
| Morpog_PC___ | or the guy just enabled random repos :D | 12:36 |
| ggabriel | well, if you enable these extra repos, any upate would trigger changes from those repos | 12:36 |
| ggabriel | you just need to know what you're doing or at least be prepared for the consequences | 12:37 |
| Morpog_PC___ | let's see if I can get latest Maui running in virtualbox | 12:38 |
| Sail0r | well I must say in the past I also did a zypper up and smth out of the normal jolla repos got updated | 12:38 |
| Sail0r | that's a normal thing for linux users to sometimes run a update command ^^ | 12:39 |
| w00t | don't use that | 12:39 |
| Sail0r | I know it now | 12:39 |
| w00t | use version --whateveritis (version --dup?) or zypper dup if you absolutely must touch zypper | 12:39 |
| coderus | *warehouse*: pss, want update? :D | 12:40 |
| Sail0r | but I don't understand why the updates make it to the normal repo if they are not intended to be installed ;) | 12:40 |
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| Sail0r | zypper lu says | 12:43 |
| Sail0r | No updates found. | 12:43 |
| Sail0r | :) | 12:43 |
| Sail0r | on my jolla | 12:43 |
| w00t | Sail0r: they don't. but the point of dup is that it will also *downgrade* things, up won't | 12:43 |
| Sail0r | I wonder where the updates which this guy got came from | 12:44 |
| ggabriel | google play, they don't like competition so they make destructive updates for other mobile os's :) | 12:47 |
| Sail0r | hehe | 12:47 |
| Morpog_PC___ | mmh, no chance getting Maui to run in virtualbox | 12:51 |
| Morpog_PC___ | kinda interested as it's based on mer, uses QT5 and bases on KDE5 | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | hrm, thought plfiorini had it | 12:53 |
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| plfiorini | Morpog_PC___, Stskeeps current vbox package doesn't like gcc 4.8.x it needs an update | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | arh, ok | 13:05 |
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| Morpog_PC___ | ok, so no need to try more :D | 13:05 |
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| plfiorini | besides i don't know if the wayland status on virtualbox has improved | 13:08 |
| plfiorini | at some point i had it running on the framebuffer but it's suboptimal | 13:08 |
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| plfiorini | Stskeeps, btw it seems i fixed that weird error i had the other day | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | good | 13:09 |
| plfiorini | tar canno be updated :) | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | ah.. | 13:09 |
| plfiorini | i had a new tar that gave an error creating the glibc-inject tar | 13:10 |
| plfiorini | something like cannot change permission to /usr/libexec/getconf/: already exists | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | ok, not sure about that | 13:10 |
| plfiorini | and trying to fix i must have done something wrong, so i just reverted to mer's tar and rebuilt glibc-inject | 13:11 |
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| gogeta | Stskeeps, i know you are so busy | 13:16 |
| gogeta | any news from btrfs front | 13:17 |
| gogeta | ? | 13:17 |
| gogeta | i'm going runout of metadata space | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | http://memegenerator.net/instance/54994666 | 13:17 |
| gogeta | and chunk usage is about 13Gb ... is near full | 13:17 |
| gogeta | Stskeeps, i don't wanna brick | 13:18 |
| gogeta | just this | 13:18 |
| gogeta | i've find a litle trick | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | i don't have any useful knowledge of btrfs. | 13:18 |
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| gogeta | every 7 days | 13:18 |
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| gogeta | balance -dusage !36 | 13:19 |
| gogeta | but if i go over jolla crash and reboot loop | 13:19 |
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| gogeta | but free almost 1Gb | 13:20 |
| pdanek | Should I buy upcoming Nexus 6 and hope for Sailfish port on it? | 13:22 |
| pdanek | Or should I wait for Jolla 2? | 13:22 |
| pdanek | I need huge display | 13:22 |
| pdanek | Not sure if Jolla 2 will have that. | 13:22 |
| pdanek | 5" is minimum | 13:22 |
| gogeta | nexus 5 | 13:23 |
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| gogeta | i think is not a big display the problem | 13:23 |
| gogeta | i think is lack of scaling the problem | 13:24 |
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| pdanek | gogeta: Is Sailfish on Nexus 5 working 100%? | 13:30 |
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| gogeta | is a ported phone btw | 13:30 |
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| pdanek | I know, but is Sailfish on Nexus 5 perfectly functional, same as on Jolla? | 13:31 |
| pdanek | Because if yes, what is the reason why people buy Jolla and not Nexus 5? | 13:32 |
| raa700 | TOH | 13:35 |
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| Raim | pdanek: Android apps on Sailfish OS only work on the Jolla | 13:39 |
| Nicd- | and the HADK version of SFOS is not exactly stable yet afaik | 13:41 |
| Nicd- | and not all hardware features work | 13:42 |
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| pdanek1 | I see. | 13:44 |
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| ArtVandalae | And it helps to (financially) back Jolla, to help back "Linux on the mobile" | 13:50 |
| louisdk | I must say as times goes by I look more and more at BB10 and the Blackberry devices. Sailfish still feels kinda beta still at times (at Jolla Phone) and things gets delayed by Jolla very often. I still have to use a lot of Android which drains the battery rapidly to have a useful phone. | 13:54 |
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| Morpog_PC___ | seriously? | 13:55 |
| Morpog_PC___ | my Jolla last as long or even longer than the nexus 4 of my sister | 13:55 |
| Morpog_PC___ | everyone knew that he would get an emerging OS when Jolla launched. | 13:56 |
| Morpog_PC___ | I expected much less from SailfishOS | 13:57 |
| Morpog_PC___ | and I get updates very often | 13:57 |
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| Morpog_PC___ | maybe my expectations are that low because I was comimg from N9......... | 13:59 |
| louisdk | Morpog_PC___, Does your Jolla also lasts long when using a lot of Android apps on it? The promised monthly updates. Last update was in July and we're now in October. | 14:00 |
| Morpog_PC___ | I am using android apps sure | 14:00 |
| Morpog_PC___ | We got 8 updates in 10 months, how much updates we got on N9 or N900? How much updates did google or apple released in that timeframe? | 14:02 |
| Morpog_PC___ | I don't get your point | 14:02 |
| Morpog_PC___ | A team of 100 people, don't forget that | 14:02 |
| Morpog_PC___ | I don't care about a few bugs here or there. I knew when I chose to buy a Jolla that they would exist. | 14:04 |
| ArtVandalae | I remember 3 updates for the N9. Not to circle jerk, but I've been impressed that Jolla has been releasing almost 1 update/month | 14:04 |
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| Morpog_PC___ | I don't get why people have that skyrocket high expectations on Jolla about everything. | 14:06 |
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| louisdk | Morpog_PC___, Is it called skyrocket high exceptions if you expect a company to comply deadlines ad expectations? Sure Jolla have released many updates, but I see them as minor updates and the SDK is still in alpha. | 14:10 |
| Morpog_PC___ | Well, should they have released a buggy update just to meet deadline? | 14:11 |
| Morpog_PC___ | Or do you prefer not to get any deadline at all, like Nokia did? | 14:11 |
| Morpog_PC___ | Alpha, beta just names | 14:11 |
| Morpog_PC___ | SDK is pretty stable isn't it? | 14:12 |
| Morpog_PC___ | ask coderus, he tried Ubuntu Touch SDK | 14:12 |
| Morpog_PC___ | louisdk, I guess you should have bought an Android device. | 14:13 |
| louisdk | Morpog_PC___, The should't have announce a deadline in the first place that they can't comply with it. There's a reason Jolla can't be found in retail stores in central Europe. 3 Denmark had a deal with Jolla and a website where you could sign up. It has haven been taken down without further information. | 14:14 |
| plfiorini | louisdk, my phone has never been so stable after all those "minor" updates | 14:14 |
| Morpog_PC___ | OK, so you clearly prefer no deadlines at all. | 14:15 |
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| louisdk | Morpog_PC___, Maybe alpha and beta are just names but it still scares many developers. Also the SDK will get updated after an update has come out to the Jolla, so developers don't get a chance to an app prior to an update. | 14:16 |
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| louisdk | *test an | 14:17 |
| Morpog_PC___ | louisdk, I don't see that as big problem yet as harbour rules are pretty tight. | 14:17 |
| Morpog_PC___ | I guess they will call it beta when more API's are stable and supported | 14:17 |
| Morpog_PC___ | it makes no sense to get paid apps with unstable api's if they break with each OS update | 14:18 |
| Morpog_PC___ | They told us many times that tehy are working on this and it will arrive in 2nd half of 2014 | 14:18 |
| Morpog_PC___ | and QT5.2 was clearly a milestone for that | 14:19 |
| louisdk | Morpog_PC___, Seems legit. Just have to wait and see. My main issue is that running Android apps dains the battery rapidly for me, so I hope for more native apps in the future. | 14:20 |
| Morpog_PC___ | well, they would too on an Android device, wouldn't they? | 14:21 |
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| Morpog_PC___ | I don't let android apps open in background, maybe that helps for me | 14:22 |
| Morpog_PC___ | oh also you can use the dalvik stop app from openrepos | 14:22 |
| Morpog_PC___ | but launching android apps takes longer if you use that | 14:22 |
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| louisdk | Morpog_PC___, I always close Android apps when they're not needed. And yearh I have the delvik stop app. It was the reason I installed Warehouse, because sometimes Android apps refuses to close :) | 14:23 |
| Morpog_PC___ | the only thing which really drained battery for me was the mitakuuluu 100% cpu bug | 14:24 |
| Morpog_PC___ | but that got fixed fortunately | 14:24 |
| louisdk | Morpog_PC___, The main Android apps I use are light games and I've tried them on an Xperia Go which lasted in days playing Android games. Is not uncommon for my Jolla to uses !0% battery playing Android games for 10-15 minutes :) | 14:25 |
| louisdk | *10% | 14:25 |
| Morpog_PC___ | oh, I'm not much in games on mobile | 14:27 |
| Morpog_PC___ | hopefully aliendalvik improves too in future versions | 14:27 |
| Morpog_PC___ | from what I hear it's better as on BB10, but I never tried a BB10 device unfortunately | 14:28 |
| Morpog_PC___ | my most used android app is Burgerking for the coupons :D | 14:29 |
| Morpog_PC___ | and right after that twitter, when I need to follow a discussion | 14:29 |
| Morpog_PC___ | tweetian is a bit limited there because of twitters API | 14:29 |
| louisdk | Morpog_PC___, Bruger king app. Lol ;) arrh okay. I'm not much of a Twitter bird :) | 14:31 |
| Morpog_PC___ | It's insane to eat there without coupons :D | 14:32 |
| Morpog_PC___ | Alot of intersting stuff to read about Jolla and SailfishOS on twitter | 14:32 |
| Morpog_PC___ | way more fast than on any news site or TMO | 14:33 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu v0.8.13 released with fixed android account import and localization updates. Check for updates! | 14:38 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC___: ^^ | 14:38 |
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| Morpog_PC___ | wow, that was fast | 14:39 |
| louisdk | Morpog_PC___, Guess I have to use Twitter more. I'm just much of a small talker :P | 14:39 |
| Morpog_PC___ | coderus, I guess Moritz will be happy now ;) | 14:39 |
| Morpog_PC___ | louisdk, you can use twitter as kind of RSS feed | 14:40 |
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| Morpog_PC___ | you don't need to tweet anything at all | 14:40 |
| Morpog_PC___ | Just follow the right persons which tweet stuff you think is interesting | 14:40 |
| louisdk | Does anyone knows who manufacture the official Jolla TOHs? | 14:40 |
| Morpog_PC___ | I guess the OEM who also does the Jolla device | 14:41 |
| Morpog_PC___ | I forgot it's name | 14:41 |
| louisdk | Morpog_PC___, Currently I use Reddit as my "RSS feed" :) | 14:41 |
| Morpog_PC___ | see, I never used reddit and i don't even know how that works at all :D | 14:41 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC___: aha, right | 14:42 |
| louisdk | Morpog_PC___, It would be cool if they opened up for ordering custom coloured TOHs. Don't need fancy ambiances and sounds, just awesome colours :) | 14:42 |
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| Morpog_PC___ | louisdk, true | 14:43 |
| Morpog_PC___ | I still would love to get that VIP TOH box that some guys in hongkong got | 14:43 |
| Morpog_PC___ | cybette, we need colors | 14:43 |
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| louisdk | Morpog_PC___, I guess that they (company behind TOHs) don't make small orders and only bulk orders of TOHs. Asked for VIP box on care. They currently don't have any plans to release outside Hongkong. | 14:45 |
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| Morpog_PC___ | dang | 14:45 |
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| Morpog_PC___ | I got a cutsom 3d printed one from shapeways, but it looses its colour and isn't the same quality | 14:46 |
| coderus | louisdk: rainbow colors TOH bulk should be ok | 14:46 |
| Morpog_PC___ | it'S blue was cool at the beginning though | 14:46 |
| meklu | damn you and your constant releases, coderus! :D | 14:47 |
| * kimmoli looks at my VIP box | 14:47 | |
| meklu | I just updated to .12 | 14:47 |
| Morpog_PC___ | lol | 14:47 |
| Morpog_PC___ | kimmoli, you tease! | 14:47 |
| coderus | meklu: you can skip this update | 14:47 |
| kimmoli | .14 in 15 mins? | 14:48 |
| meklu | I'll install it anyway! | 14:48 |
| coderus | (but of course it will be prompted at each start :) | 14:48 |
| Morpog_PC___ | It's just android account importer | 14:48 |
| meklu | ah, okay | 14:48 |
| meklu | neat | 14:48 |
| Morpog_PC___ | also known as MoritzJT update :D | 14:48 |
| coderus | yep, and some locales (cs, de_CH, de_DE, sl_SL) updated | 14:49 |
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| Morpog_PC___ | btw louisdk I posted that on twitter a few weeks ago: http://abload.de/img/sailfish-comic_19ypep.png | 14:49 |
| coderus | sl_SI* | 14:50 |
| louisdk | coderus, you mean like this. http://www.abload.de/img/imgp1570n0uwe3duf6.jpg ? | 14:51 |
| coderus | ˙ʍoɥ ǝɯ ʞsɐ ¿ǝʇɐpdn ɐuuɐʍ | 14:51 |
| louisdk | Morpog_PC___, He he. Have seen it :) | 14:51 |
| Morpog_PC___ | lol coderus, nah I wait | 14:51 |
| coderus | louisdk: like this, but more bright colours | 14:51 |
| coderus | like missing yellow, green, red and purple | 14:52 |
| louisdk | Morpog_PC___, iOS and Android gets point updates too ;) | 14:52 |
| Morpog_PC___ | but only security fixes in them | 14:52 |
| louisdk | Morpog_PC___, no bug fixes? | 14:53 |
| coderus | Saapunki have NSS and bash hotfix update too, but.. | 14:53 |
| Morpog_PC___ | louisdk, I don't think so | 14:54 |
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| louisdk | coderus, yearh a yellow would be nice. Red is available trough ;) | 14:54 |
| Morpog_PC___ | that orange, isn't it? | 14:54 |
| coderus | i want #FF0000 color | 14:55 |
| Morpog_PC___ | brrr, that's a bit too hard for my eyes.... | 14:56 |
| Morpog_PC___ | better http://www.colorhexa.com/e60000 | 14:56 |
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| r0kk3rz_ | wooo the random restarts have started | 17:35 |
| r0kk3rz_ | seems like a matter of not if but when | 17:36 |
| r0kk3rz_ | we'll see what I can figure out. | 17:36 |
| kimmoli | lubricate! | 17:37 |
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| kimmoli | i might make small doses of that stuff and send it around the World. 25g is plenty, you guys can then send that forward to each other... (?) | 17:38 |
| r0kk3rz | would be nice if i was at home with all my gear to measure things | 17:38 |
| r0kk3rz | not in Frankfurt | 17:39 |
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| r0kk3rz | kimmoli: sorry I dropped. what was previous comment? | 17:40 |
| AL13N | kimmoli: you mean lubricating the contacts? | 17:40 |
| kimmoli | yeah | 17:40 |
| kimmoli | so far so good with lubricated ... | 17:40 |
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| AL13N | kimmoli: how long ago? | 17:41 |
| kimmoli | not long to say for sure | 17:41 |
| r0kk3rz | I still find that hard to believe that its oxidation on the contacts | 17:41 |
| AL13N | isn't one of the solutions: "shake shake shake... shake shake shake... shake your boot-y" | 17:42 |
| kimmoli | there is my TJC post | 17:42 |
| AL13N | r0kk3rz: well, when you clean it, it seems to work again for quite a while | 17:42 |
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| coderus | send lubricant to each other around the world. it's so engineering... ._. | 17:46 |
| r0kk3rz_ | here is you brand new jolla | 17:48 |
| r0kk3rz_ | comea free with sachet of lubricant | 17:48 |
| kimmoli | :) | 17:48 |
| r0kk3rz_ | dont worry, give it 2 months and youll know what its for | 17:49 |
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| r0kk3rz_ | i wonder if lemon juice would do in a pinch | 17:50 |
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| r0kk3rz_ | mildly acidic, should clean oxidation off enough | 17:51 |
| r0kk3rz_ | unless the battery meter is lying to me, and i havent got 40% capacity | 17:52 |
| AL13N | well, acidic could actually bite off a bit of the metal too | 17:53 |
| AL13N | even though the oxidation would be gone | 17:53 |
| r0kk3rz_ | yeah but its lemom juice, not anything strong | 17:53 |
| r0kk3rz_ | its almost as weakly acidic as acidic gets | 17:54 |
| r0kk3rz_ | but to apply it directly via the slice? or use a napkin? | 17:58 |
| r0kk3rz_ | bar macgyver fixes are best right | 17:58 |
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| kimmoli | hej. | 18:02 |
| kimmoli | i did apply stuff without cleaning the contacts... will see. | 18:03 |
| kimmoli | there was whiteish smudge on the contacts. | 18:04 |
| kimmoli | tried to take photos, but my camera didn't want to cooperate | 18:04 |
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| kimmoli | jolla takes actually good pics through that scope | 18:05 |
| r0kk3rz_ | jollas camera is pretty good tbh | 18:05 |
| kimmoli | but as it was wrong side of optics... | 18:05 |
| kimmoli | until you get AR coating broken | 18:06 |
| kimmoli | my order of custom lens seems to fail, as they have 1mm material. needs to be ~0.5 | 18:07 |
| kimmoli | and so far ebay stuff have been too large dia | 18:07 |
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| r0kk3rz_ | hmmm. the pins on the phone side are fairly small | 18:10 |
| r0kk3rz_ | should be like 3x that size | 18:11 |
| r0kk3rz_ | ill have to compare to the HTC i have | 18:12 |
| r0kk3rz_ | which has a removable back with no problems for 2-3 years | 18:13 |
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| kimmoli | swipe contacts are better than pogo style imho | 18:16 |
| r0kk3rz_ | Yeah i never really took a good look until just now | 18:18 |
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| r0kk3rz_ | Looks like grinding the contacts has done it | 18:49 |
| r0kk3rz_ | deserves a hardware update tbh | 18:49 |
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| r0kk3rz_ | probably expensive for jolla, but minor update. thicker pogo style contacts on phone side | 18:50 |
| Yaniel | the Jolla deserves a hw update for sure | 18:52 |
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| r0kk3rz_ | i mean a SKU rather than a full hw refresh | 18:53 |
| r0kk3rz_ | is like a bug fix for hardware | 18:54 |
| Yaniel | I mean in general but you have a point there too | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | SKU -> full certification | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:54 |
| r0kk3rz_ | like i said. expensive | 18:54 |
| Yaniel | I had a funny clock desync a couple of days ago | 18:56 |
| Yaniel | automatic updating enabled, it suddenly was 30mins ahead | 18:56 |
| r0kk3rz_ | only jolla can make the call whether its financially viable or not | 18:56 |
| Yaniel | disabling automatic time updates and re-enabling them set it to the correct time again | 18:56 |
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| pdanek | Hello, | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | Yaniel: time travel device | 19:01 |
| Yaniel | yes | 19:01 |
| Yaniel | I hope CERN won't kill me for this | 19:02 |
| pdanek | Do you think security maniacs will rather go for Jolla or Neo900? | 19:02 |
| pdanek | Or Android? | 19:02 |
| pdanek | To tweak their phone and perform some security hardening. | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | neo900 doesn't factually exist.. | 19:03 |
| r0kk3rz_ | or just invalidate your ftl neurons paper | 19:03 |
| pdanek | Stskeeps: not an answer I was looking for :D | 19:03 |
| r0kk3rz_ | plane is a time travel device anyway :p | 19:03 |
| pdanek | Like.... exclude Blackphone and Blackberries... what do you pick? Something open, so you can disable this and this... and install bunch of other stuff. | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | unless you can build the bootloader yourself, how can you ever truly trust it? | 19:06 |
| pdanek | There are some recommendations what to do in Android to secure it properly: | 19:06 |
| pdanek | https://blog.torproject.org/blog/mission-impossible-hardening-android-security-and-privacy | 19:06 |
| pdanek | Stskeeps: well, can you build Sailfish? source code is still not available | 19:07 |
| pdanek | So I'm wondering how secure Sailfish is | 19:07 |
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| pdanek | in comparison to AOSP | 19:07 |
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| pdanek | Marc recently spoke about security in his video, but still Sailfish seems quite closed to me. | 19:08 |
| pdanek | In comparison to custom Android ROMs build from AOSP. | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | well, unlocking bootloader means you can always do a evil maid attack.. | 19:08 |
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| pdanek | So you rather approve the BlackBerry's way? | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | i like the jolla way, you can unlock and lock at your own desire | 19:09 |
| pdanek | Wondering, will we ever have Sailfish source code available? | 19:10 |
| pdanek | To build derivates? | 19:10 |
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| Stskeeps | time will tell | 19:11 |
| Yaniel | I don't see that coming until jolla has secured their place in the market | 19:12 |
| pdanek | :/ | 19:13 |
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| M4rtinK | pdanek: pencil & piece of paper/paper notebook :) | 19:29 |
| M4rtinK | pdanek: and I'm not kidding | 19:29 |
| pdanek | M4rtinK: I know and of course. | 19:30 |
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| M4rtinK | basically everything else is too complicated to be really sure | 19:30 |
| pdanek | But if I ask if apples or oranges, you don't answer bananas :) | 19:30 |
| M4rtinK | (same thing holds for elections BTW) | 19:30 |
| M4rtinK | but other than that I would say Neo900 if it ever materializes | 19:31 |
| M4rtinK | because Qualcomm | 19:31 |
| pdanek | Why because of Qualcomm? :O | 19:31 |
| M4rtinK | eq. the usual second-always-online-ARM-CPU-with-access-to-all-RAM-and-connected-to-wireless | 19:32 |
| M4rtinK | what could possible go wrong ? :) | 19:32 |
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| M4rtinK | note that even if you had source for all Sailfish OS components, it does not help against a rogue modem :) | 19:34 |
| Yaniel | tbh you can't even trust a piece of paper | 19:34 |
| Yaniel | hidden messages have been written almost as long as written messages in general | 19:35 |
| M4rtinK | well, a common piece of paper still has quite low potential for online espionage :) | 19:36 |
| pdanek | I see. | 19:40 |
| M4rtinK | on the other hand, pencil and paper PKI might be a bit tiring :) | 19:42 |
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| pdanek | Is anyone in this Jolla chat going to buy Neo900? | 20:19 |
| pdanek | For whatever reason. | 20:19 |
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| kimmoli | hmm.. if you put that piece of paper below jolla battery, is it online? | 20:26 |
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| louisdk | pdanek1, I have yet to see a functional Neo900. They part with the OS where they'll port Hildron (N900 UI) to this phone running Debian seems like quite a big job. | 21:00 |
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| louisdk | If I look at Wikipedia the Jolla logo is one place listed as public domain and another place as BY-SA. I'm a bit confused. | 21:16 |
| tbr | it's neither IMO, IANAL | 21:18 |
| pdanek1 | louisdk: true | 21:19 |
| pdanek1 | It's just I'm a bit hesitant if Sailfish OS direction is where I want it to be. | 21:20 |
| pdanek1 | But perhaps it is. | 21:20 |
| M4rtinK | louisdk: well, it does not exist yet AFAIK :) | 21:22 |
| M4rtinK | and of course might never materialize in the end as hardware is hard | 21:22 |
| M4rtinK | at mleast they have a prior experience with FreeRunner and GTA04 | 21:22 |
| M4rtinK | so till better than Spark/Vivaldi/Cordia :) | 21:22 |
| louisdk | pdanek1, If you're unsure find a Jolla owner in your area. I'm sure someone will give you a demo. But yearh the Jolla is still a beta phone in some areas to be honest. What phone do you have now? | 21:24 |
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