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| Nickleu | what format does jolla support as ringtone? i can't set it with a m4a file, which was generated by garageband.. | 02:16 |
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| Nickleu | well mp3 should always work i guess | 02:26 |
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| birdzhang | no update :( | 02:50 |
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| coderus | user on TMO forum reported about 1.1.0.26 available after doing manual repositories upgrade. Jolla repositories bug makes update available before release? :) | 04:35 |
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| AL13N | coderus: maybe he was one of those guys who had tested out that new connections stack a while back | 06:18 |
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| Nicd- | Younited live in app store! | 09:16 |
| Nicd- | installing now... | 09:16 |
| Nicd- | what the... it claims to find 21443 photos on my device (25.1 GB) | 09:19 |
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| till- | ls | 09:20 |
| meklu | seems legit | 09:20 |
| meklu | maybe there's a symlink loop somewhere? | 09:20 |
| Nicd- | maybe | 09:21 |
| Nicd- | the android pics gallery only shows around 500 images | 09:21 |
| Nicd- | even that has duplicates | 09:21 |
| ggabriel | "Sorry, cannot connect to store right now. Please try again later." :) | 09:22 |
| ggabriel | (not that i'll install it anyway) | 09:22 |
| Nicd- | amount of free space seems to be 5 GB | 09:22 |
| Nicd- | well, I'm happy as long as I can at least manually upload my photos | 09:23 |
| Nicd- | but I will try to upload my 21k images just for fun ;) | 09:23 |
| Nicd- | to see what happens | 09:23 |
| ggabriel | i'm hoping you're on a wlan | 09:24 |
| Nicd- | nope | 09:24 |
| ggabriel | i'm hoping that you have an unlimited data plan then :) | 09:24 |
| Nicd- | yep | 09:25 |
| Nicd- | pretty much all plans in finland are unlimited. some lower the speed after a predefined amount but not my contract | 09:25 |
| Nicd- | at least it happily started uploading | 09:26 |
| meklu | I only have a 3G data plan :( | 09:26 |
| mdxth_ | I'm also uploading | 09:27 |
| meklu | at least it's unlimited | 09:27 |
| joonahoi_ | me too, but 3g is well fast enough | 09:27 |
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| Nicd- | 3G is fast enough for me as well | 09:32 |
| Nicd- | though uploading all my photos is probably going to take a while :P | 09:32 |
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| TemeV | I think my 3G has faster upload than my wifi at home | 09:33 |
| TemeV | ...for now. 100/50 is waiting at the new apartment | 09:33 |
| Nicd- | might be the case for me too... glorious 100/3 at home :D | 09:33 |
| Nightmare__ | when they announced it, i was expecting something integrated into sailfish to backup whole device settings, contacts etc. | 09:33 |
| pp_ | 350/30 :P | 09:39 |
| pp_ | or probably more like 15-20 uplink, had to give up my rock-solid 85/45 vdsl2 :( | 09:40 |
| Nicd- | they are digging fiber into the ground next to our house though, so I'm hopeful | 09:40 |
| Nicd- | upload stopped at 26 photos but resumed after I rebooted the app | 09:40 |
| oh8gnz | I had 3G for about 3-4 months | 09:41 |
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| oh8gnz | and after that I sweared that I will never ever have 3G or any mobile connection without proper DSL or fibre | 09:42 |
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| Nicd- | yeah, mobile connection at home is unacceptable | 09:43 |
| Nicd- | mobile is for mobiles :P | 09:43 |
| Nightmare__ | +1 | 09:43 |
| Nicd- | now it's uploading pretty fast, currently at 87 photos | 09:43 |
| Nicd- | it will soon run out of photos that I have taken with the camera, I wonder what it'll start uploading then | 09:45 |
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| Nicd- | hahahaha | 09:50 |
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| Nicd- | it is currently uploading some duplicates and the younited web interface has gone insane | 09:51 |
| Nicd- | the images are jumping all over the place | 09:51 |
| Nicd- | it's using all of my cpu | 09:52 |
| Nicd- | on my laptop, viewing the web UI | 09:52 |
| meklu | haha | 09:53 |
| meklu | wapps tend to have that a lot | 09:53 |
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| Nicd- | actually there were no duplicates, it's just that the web UI had gone insane | 09:54 |
| Nicd- | I wish I could've taken video of it | 09:54 |
| Nicd- | apparently it doesn't like the fact that I'm uploading while looking at the grid view so it's sorting and resorting and resorting so everything breaks down | 09:55 |
| meklu | so, in essence, web programmers can't do concurrency? | 09:59 |
| * meklu stops being an asshat for a while | 09:59 | |
| chem|st | update9 skipped? | 10:05 |
| SK_work | update 9 late ? | 10:06 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: that's m$ (http://imgur.com/gallery/p7eQQK3 | 10:06 |
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| stephg | uplate 9 date ? | 10:06 |
| chem|st | I am back from symposia and actually expected the "early September" updated to be late sept but now it is early october | 10:06 |
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| SK_work | chem|st: Qt 5.2 gives Jolla engineers headaches ? | 10:07 |
| Sail0r | https://git.merproject.org/groups/mer-core | 10:07 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: lol | 10:07 |
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| Sail0r | they are still merging bash ^^ | 10:07 |
| chem|st | SK_work: that is also expected^^ | 10:08 |
| chem|st | Sail0r: ouch but they will stay coming... | 10:08 |
| chem|st | so a security release will be needed in 1-2 weeks anyway | 10:09 |
| Nicd- | hmm... there is an area in the younited web UI where your mouse cursor disappears | 10:09 |
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| chem|st | Nicd-: linux? | 10:10 |
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| Nicd- | chem|st: yep | 10:10 |
| chem|st | Nicd-: what WM? | 10:10 |
| Nicd- | gnome | 10:10 |
| chem|st | welcome to the club, I had some web and ssh glitches where my pointer disappears | 10:10 |
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| chem|st | not always, just sometimes and it appears to be some website behind the terminal window just like you sometimes see video playback within terminal characters | 10:11 |
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| Nicd- | the uploading has reached the end | 10:12 |
| Nicd- | ... and it started reuploading the first pics | 10:12 |
| Nicd- | so no automatic uploading for me :P | 10:13 |
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| Nicd- | now it thinks I have 19391 photos | 10:15 |
| Nicd- | so all my photos 40 times over | 10:15 |
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| tmynttin | seems to work just fine on my device | 10:18 |
| tmynttin | (younited) | 10:18 |
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| joonahoi_ | Nicd-: some symlink mess?) | 10:20 |
| Nicd- | tmynttin: how many photos does it list in the automatic updates screen? | 10:20 |
| Nicd- | joonahoi_: dunno, but I haven't added any symlinks | 10:20 |
| joonahoi_ | Nicd-: it lists and uploads everything correctly for me | 10:20 |
| tmynttin | Nicd-: 181, which is legit | 10:21 |
| Nicd- | oh, I have! screw me | 10:21 |
| joonahoi_ | *drumroll* | 10:21 |
| Nicd- | I added one to fix moving my pics to my laptop with rsync | 10:21 |
| Nicd- | don't need that anymore with younited | 10:21 |
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| Nicd- | well, I'm stupid :) | 10:23 |
| Nicd- | now it lists everything fine | 10:23 |
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| tmynttin | downloading a photo from younited to phone doesn't seem to work properly, though | 10:27 |
| tmynttin | or maybe it just goes to some android folder which isn't visible in gallery | 10:28 |
| Nicd- | it's the same when you download a file with an android browser | 10:29 |
| Nicd- | it just says download starting but you never see the file anywhere | 10:29 |
| Sail0r | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/By7pXJxCAAAzuZG.jpg:large | 10:31 |
| tmynttin | so the download doesn't happen or it just goes to unknown location? | 10:31 |
| Nicd- | well it doesn't sync any docs either | 10:31 |
| Nicd- | tmynttin: dunno | 10:31 |
| tmynttin | ok :) | 10:31 |
| Nicd- | maybe in a future update | 10:31 |
| tmynttin | hope so | 10:32 |
| Nicd- | at least this works for uploading and sharing my pics, that's all I care about | 10:32 |
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| tmynttin | me too | 10:32 |
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| Nicd- | there are some dishonest claims in the app description though | 10:33 |
| tmynttin | so, i'm less disappointed than yesterday :) | 10:33 |
| Nicd- | "- Backup all content of your device" | 10:33 |
| Nicd- | "- Share any file format" | 10:33 |
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| Nicd- | all the comments are complaints about it being android :D | 10:34 |
| Nicd- | so many hurt feelings | 10:34 |
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| Sailor11736 | Downloas seem to go into android storage /download folder :( | 10:37 |
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| minimec | 6~6~ | 10:42 |
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| pdanek | My speakers on Jolla stopped working. :/ | 10:50 |
| pdanek | After some light drop on the ground. | 10:50 |
| tmynttin | Nicd-: yeah, they should have smoothen out the news a bit, maybe ;) | 10:51 |
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| chem|st | just now, I realized what you guys are on about... Jolla is gone -1, I don't buy a sailfish phone to have android all over the place! I'd buy a oneplusone if. | 11:32 |
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| Nicd- | I don't really care about it. as long as it works for what I want to do | 11:40 |
| inte` | hello, just wondering | 11:40 |
| Nicd- | if the option is no client at all, I'll gladly take the android client | 11:40 |
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| inte` | what happend to http://www.thejollablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Jolla_Angry_Birds_2.jpg ?? | 11:40 |
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| ggabriel | well, it's simple... the more you buy android, the more developers will want to make android applications | 11:41 |
| ggabriel | sailfish provides a nice balance | 11:41 |
| inte` | ggabriel: talking to me? Wonder about a native Angry birds for Jolla version | 11:43 |
| inte` | will Rovio put any efforts in SailfishOS eventually? | 11:43 |
| pp_ | they're axing a bunch of people already, probably not | 11:44 |
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| inte` | oh how sad | 11:45 |
| Kabouik | Hi! Can someone confirm there is still no call recording application on Sailfish? | 11:45 |
| inte` | would have loved this TOH :) | 11:45 |
| inte` | Kabouik: there is an app called "recorder" | 11:45 |
| Kabouik | Yep but it only acts as a mic, no call recording | 11:46 |
| inte` | it will probably also record your call while its switched on | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | inte`: no, making a general comment | 11:46 |
| inte` | Kabouik: so it stopps when receiving calls? | 11:46 |
| inte` | ggabriel: ah | 11:46 |
| Kabouik | I don't know, I think it will only record my voice inte` | 11:46 |
| inte` | check it out its free anyways:) | 11:47 |
| Kabouik | I'm pretty sure it's how it works, I even think someone already asked the question to the dev :( | 11:47 |
| ggabriel | it's kind of illegal in some countries to record calls, so it's a difficult subject | 11:48 |
| Kabouik | Really, illegal? Illegal to share the records I'd say | 11:48 |
| ggabriel | my understanding anyway | 11:49 |
| Nicd- | my understanding is that there is yet no way to record a call | 11:49 |
| meklu | it's completely legal in Finland :) | 11:49 |
| Kabouik | I'm not a lawyer either, I may be wrong! But I miss these apps from the N900 and N9, it was very convenient | 11:49 |
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| inte` | Kabouik: I checked it out myself | 11:51 |
| inte` | it keeps recordign while doing calls | 11:51 |
| inte` | however, the sound is a bit low | 11:51 |
| Kabouik | But does it record both voices? | 11:52 |
| inte` | you will probably have to do some postprocessing (gain) afterwards | 11:52 |
| inte` | I heard both voices, yeah | 11:52 |
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| Kabouik | Both at the same level, or yours louder? | 11:52 |
| inte` | its probably even better if youd use the freespeech functions | 11:52 |
| inte` | mine a bit louder | 11:52 |
| inte` | i dont talk to my mailbox too much, though :-) | 11:53 |
| inte` | but Id say its useable | 11:53 |
| Kabouik | :] | 11:53 |
| Kabouik | Thanks for the test! | 11:53 |
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| Kabouik | Which codec did you use inte`? I hear nothing with Flac | 11:56 |
| inte` | can i choose a codec? :-) | 11:57 |
| inte` | wait i have to look | 11:57 |
| Kabouik | Yes | 11:57 |
| Sail0r | yeah, a shitstorm in jolla store ^^ | 11:57 |
| svuorela | my phone has more or less started to randomly reboot - especially in the middle of phone calls, when visiting pages in the browser or checking my email. | 11:57 |
| svuorela | Sail0r: what's happening ? | 11:57 |
| Sail0r | look at the younited app | 11:57 |
| inte` | Kabouik: PCM | 11:57 |
| Sail0r | and the comments | 11:58 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 11:58 |
| inte` | svuorela: your memory is full | 11:58 |
| ggabriel | no love for android applications? :) | 11:58 |
| Kabouik | Oh I finally hear it inte`, it's extremely low | 11:58 |
| svuorela | inte`: how do I reduce the memory consumption - especially when the only app open is for exampl e the browser ? | 11:59 |
| Kabouik | Post-processing won't be enough, the other voice is way too low :( | 11:59 |
| Sail0r | does not look like there is love for android apps ^^ | 11:59 |
| locusf | http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23sailfishos-porters/%23sailfishos-porters.2014-08-08.log.html#t2014-08-08T15:28:48 <- heres the voicecall recording pulseaudio pull request | 11:59 |
| locusf | https://github.com/mer-hybris/pulseaudio-modules-droid/releases/tag/5.0.19 <- will be in this version of the pulseaudio modules if its in update9 | 11:59 |
| Sail0r | well it's amusing that the QT developer app is a android app, too *g* | 12:00 |
| Kabouik | Anyway to install that like *now" locusf? | 12:00 |
| Kabouik | I need to record a call today, I took my N9 with me just in case there's no hope with the Jolla | 12:00 |
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| locusf | Kabouik: no idea | 12:00 |
| Kabouik | I wonder whether an Android call recorder would work with a call initiated via the native Sailfish phone app | 12:02 |
| locusf | https://build.merproject.org/package/binary/sailfishos:devel:hw:i9305/pulseaudio-modules-droid?arch=armv8el&filename=pulseaudio-modules-droid-5.0.20-10.9.1.jolla.armv7hl.rpm&repository=sailfish_latest_armv7hl <- maybe this file? | 12:02 |
| Kabouik | I could try but I have no idea how to initiate the voice-recording afterwards :< | 12:02 |
| Wnt | Do you know why the next Windows version is 10, not 9? https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/2hwlrk/new_windows_version_will_be_called_windows_10/ckwq83x | 12:03 |
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| Scelt | Wnt: https://searchcode.com/?q=if%20version%2Cstartswith%20%20windows+9%20%20#8147366525301092469 | 12:03 |
| locusf | Kabouik: see that irc log for instructions | 12:04 |
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| Kabouik | http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23sailfishos-porters/%23sailfishos-porters.2014-08-08.log.html#t2014-08-08T15:28:48 here? | 12:04 |
| locusf | Kabouik: yes, be careful though, it might not work as those files are for i9305 | 12:04 |
| Kabouik | Ah. | 12:05 |
| Kabouik | Would it be easy to revert back? | 12:05 |
| locusf | well you might try pkcon install pulseaudio-modules-droid | 12:06 |
| inte` | Kabouik: if you turn the speaker to max, and you are in a quite environment it might work | 12:06 |
| Kabouik | Haha, these are the instructions: jusa_when in voicecall, and droid_card.primary is in profile voicecall: pactl set-card-profile droid_card.primary voicecall-record15:36 | 12:06 |
| Kabouik | jusa_then parec --device=source.primary > foo15:37 | 12:06 |
| Kabouik | jusa_and afterwards play that with pacat foo | 12:06 |
| Kabouik | I don't get any of these wizzardry. :D | 12:06 |
| inte` | havent tried to turn the phone to handsfree though | 12:07 |
| Kabouik | I'll be outside inte` | 12:07 |
| inte` | Kabouik: well go for the N9 then | 12:07 |
| * inte` didnt even know there was a call recording app for the n9 | 12:07 | |
| Kabouik | I think it's called Call recorder actually, and on the N900 I seem to remember there is Recaller | 12:08 |
| Nicd- | recaller was nice | 12:08 |
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| Nicd- | taking a look at the younited app comment section: http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/fire_community.gif | 12:12 |
| Sail0r | yep | 12:15 |
| Sail0r | rage of the community ^^ | 12:16 |
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| Nicd- | personally I don't feel I can be angry at free stuff | 12:16 |
| ggabriel | is the application any good though? regardless of it being android | 12:16 |
| ggabriel | you can always get angry, even if they pay you :) think about work in general | 12:17 |
| Sail0r | hehe | 12:17 |
| Sail0r | I understand the people and why there are so angry | 12:18 |
| Sail0r | they are just disappointed at the moment | 12:18 |
| Nicd- | ggabriel: seems it's good for pretty much uploading your photos and videos to younited | 12:18 |
| Sail0r | so many promises which are not fullfilled at the moment | 12:18 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: ta | 12:18 |
| Sail0r | that makes people angry | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | let's list them? | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:18 |
| ggabriel | Sail0r: yeah, expected | 12:18 |
| ggabriel | item 1. my phone doesn't have 32gb of RAM | 12:19 |
| Sail0r | hehe | 12:19 |
| Sail0r | I go for 64 | 12:19 |
| Sail0r | and no core i7 | 12:19 |
| ggabriel | i'm obviously joking | 12:19 |
| ggabriel | on a more serious note, it must be challenging for a dev company to upskill their staff to c++/qt etc | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | when all they know is java and/or subjective c | 12:20 |
| giucam | what's subjective c? :D | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | that thing that ios uses | 12:21 |
| ggabriel | iirc | 12:21 |
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| giucam | that's objective ;) | 12:21 |
| Sail0r | well, the main problem is the press releases which promised smth. which never happend | 12:21 |
| ggabriel | giucam: whatever, close enough ;) | 12:21 |
| * ggabriel was trying to make a point that using objective for a language name is as silly as using subjective | 12:21 | |
| Stskeeps | as a start, press releases should be taken in the context they're happening.. MWC: telco vendors and related companies decide what they'll do in the fall there | 12:21 |
| Sail0r | yeah, but there were press releases which promised smth cool and nice | 12:22 |
| Sail0r | and afterwards silence | 12:22 |
| Sail0r | nothing anymore on these fancy things | 12:22 |
| Sail0r | that makes people disappointed | 12:23 |
| ggabriel | that depends how you understand a press release | 12:23 |
| Sail0r | well, I know that my company makes browsergames which never came out like the people want them :P | 12:23 |
| ggabriel | the devil is in the detail | 12:23 |
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| ggabriel | normally verbal agreement != contract != expectation != delivery | 12:23 |
| ggabriel | but to understand the above, you need some experience | 12:24 |
| Sail0r | yeah, but for small companies these things are getting worse when there is no fullfillment | 12:24 |
| ggabriel | else you wonder why WHY | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | the mobile market is a mess | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:24 |
| Sail0r | at the moment it's like "a Jolla the company which makes partnerships which never work" to be evil | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | isn't that microsoft? | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:25 |
| Sail0r | hehe | 12:25 |
| clau | hey Stskeeps, you could talk to Spotify... they apparently already have a Sailfish client | 12:25 |
| clau | just convince them to release it officially | 12:26 |
| Sail0r | that would be cool | 12:26 |
| pp_ | they already use qt | 12:26 |
| svuorela | screw spotify. they don't want me as a customer. | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | clau: well, not even the linux one is strictly speaking official.. | 12:26 |
| tadzik | it's on their official website | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | https://www.spotify.com/pl/download/previews/ | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | i'm (without trying to underdig our own dev story) a happy spotify for android user | 12:27 |
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| Stskeeps | and that's yes, the biggest problem of the jolla dev story, there's a full platform api in the android part | 12:28 |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: plus the usual resourcing problems of not having enough people to work on our own stuff. | 12:28 |
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| svuorela | with both w00t and Stskeeps around, maybe someone can help me figure out how to troubleshoot why I get a lot of random reboots of my phone :P | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | contacted care? | 12:29 |
| pp_ | well, there's always https://openrepos.net/content/lukedirtwalker/cutespotify etc. | 12:29 |
| svuorela | w00t: Are you at devdays next week, btw ? | 12:29 |
| w00t | svuorela: yep | 12:29 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | Q12: Finally, can you leak any snippets of information (be it large or small) on what we can expect with the finished Jolla handset ? | 12:29 |
| w00t | svuorela: as for reboots, I'm kinda clueless there - my only recommendation would be the "try the care folks" one too | 12:29 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | We are working with Joikusoft to do groundbreaking things in local area network. | 12:30 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | http://www.jollatides.com/2012/09/21/september-2012-interview-with-jolla-ceo-jussi-hurmola/ | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | HarhaanJohtaja: ah, but that was jussi hurmola.. | 12:30 |
| svuorela | w00t: ok. i just fear that they will want me to ship it in, and then_I'd be phone less. | 12:30 |
| ggabriel | ...that was 2 years ago | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | anyhow: joikuspot was kinda unnecessary when the new chipset came in. on ST-E we had to do ad-hoc. on qualcomm, we just flipped a switch and got hotspot mode. | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | so anything in works there was a casuality of chipset change | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | plans change. | 12:32 |
| ggabriel | very few people appreaciate that if anythign similar would have happened to the big boys, they'd probably had lost 80% of their equity | 12:32 |
| Nicd- | similar to what? | 12:33 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: you plan iphone 6 with qualcomm, qualcomm goes bust | 12:33 |
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| Stskeeps | despite all that, i think it was the best thing that could have happened to us. | 12:33 |
| Nicd- | so? I think a company with a lot more resources can pull of the chipset change easier than Jolla | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | Nicd-: naaah. | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:34 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: i disagree | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | it's a total mess usually | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | no dramatic sailfish 1.0 -> 2.0 (qt4->qt5, x11->wayland) on a consumer product | 12:34 |
| ggabriel | if you subcontract a company that subcontract another company who are "experts" in qualcomm and it goes bust, you have to change all contracts and so on | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | and we were ready to scale on different hw | 12:34 |
| ggabriel | that will take 5 years | 12:34 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: it was | 12:35 |
| w00t | [the best thing to happen to us] | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | [and a mess] | 12:35 |
| w00t | even if at the time it was a nightmare apocalypse right on the middle of the runway to "launching a product" :) | 12:35 |
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| inte | Sail0r wasnt it you to whom i recommended using the genuine charger exclusively to overcome the rebooting issue? | 13:04 |
| Sail0r | yep | 13:04 |
| Sail0r | for now everything is good | 13:05 |
| Sail0r | no reboots anymore | 13:05 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 13:05 |
| inte | so it helped? | 13:05 |
| inte | thats great!! :) | 13:05 |
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| Sail0r | but I must say I barely use my jolla most of the time it lays somewhere and receives sms and emails which I read via pebble ^^ | 13:05 |
| inte | should make it in the support db then:) | 13:05 |
| inte | well you hopefully reply to them from time to time i guess:) | 13:06 |
| Sail0r | yeah ;) | 13:06 |
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| * inte is using his metawatch to read incoming messages thanks to tbr :) | 13:06 | |
| Sail0r | :) | 13:06 |
| Sail0r | I really like the batterylife when using jolla like this | 13:07 |
| Sail0r | I never had an unexpected empty jolla since I have it | 13:07 |
| Sail0r | when my jolla was at care I had a samsung s2 which went empty every evening ... | 13:07 |
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| Sail0r | same usage | 13:07 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 13:07 |
| inte | yeah its android | 13:07 |
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| inte | dalvik vm on jolla drains the battery pretty fast as well | 13:08 |
| Sail0r | I have the dalvik vm running alltime | 13:08 |
| Sail0r | because of tapatalk | 13:09 |
| Sail0r | but no google services | 13:09 |
| Sail0r | only amazon services ^^ | 13:09 |
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| TMavica | god bless me | 13:17 |
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| Stskeeps | TMavica: hope things don't go overboard.. | 13:21 |
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| TMavica | I am wearing the first one to prepare police's rubber bullets and tear gas! | 13:31 |
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| Sail0r | :x | 13:41 |
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| louisdk | Yay. I got my Jolla back for repair with replaced screen. Now I can decide if I should put a 16GB spare micro sd I've laying around in it, and whatever I should take the screen protector plastic off and put one of my Jolla Savvies screen protectors on it. | 13:59 |
| AL13N_work | *whether | 14:00 |
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| Sail0r | http://www.jollatides.com/2014/10/02/marc-dillon-stresses-importance-of-user-privacy-expansion-plans-and-future-developments/ | 14:09 |
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| shanxS | hi! I want to use terminal on my Jolla.. can someone please point me to a resource which elabolrates what should *not* be done in developer mode, if I want to keep warranty ? | 14:27 |
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| tbr | shanxS: don't use devel-su if you don't have to | 14:33 |
| tbr | shanxS: if you do, think before you type. | 14:34 |
| Shinryuu | indeed | 14:34 |
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| louisdk | shanxS, as long as you don't mess stuff up it shouldn't affect your warranty. You can also run "pkcon install fingerterm" to get access to the terminal with dev mode disabled. | 14:35 |
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| tbr | how do you do that without a terminal? ;) | 14:35 |
| shanxS | I just wanted to show off to my Android friends.. I think Ill take your advice.. | 14:35 |
| shanxS | louisdk: same question as tbr, where should I type that ? | 14:36 |
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| flux | aren't there a couple security fixes waiting for the next release, just exploit one of them ;-) | 14:46 |
| Sail0r | yeah first f*ck comment | 14:47 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 14:47 |
| Tegu | maybe ShellEx? | 14:47 |
| Tegu | not sure if it works | 14:47 |
| flux | I think it would work | 14:48 |
| flux | worth a shot, besides it's a nice piece of software to install regardless :) | 14:48 |
| louisdk | shanxS, active developer mode, open terminal and exclude command and then deactivate developer mode :) | 14:48 |
| Tegu | yea, nice for killing those hanging fingerterms (after pressing some menu button) at least:P | 14:48 |
| flux | so when activating developer mode installs that package regardless, doesn't deactivating remove it? | 14:49 |
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| louisdk | Tegu, I personally don't like ShellEx. As I see it you can only exclude one command at a time. | 14:49 |
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| flux | well, it certainly beats running a fingerterm and running the command there | 14:50 |
| flux | and, I need to point this out: the word you're mistyping is execute :-) | 14:50 |
| shanxS | Tegu: I find ShellEx is difficult to use.. | 14:51 |
| shanxS | louisdk: trying that! | 14:51 |
| shanxS | "pkcon install fingerterm" ends with " Failed to obtain authentication". Trying to change to su, what is the default password ? | 14:56 |
| _inte_ | i have problems logging in to tjc | 14:57 |
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| _inte_ | trying to log in takes me to the account register page | 14:57 |
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| _inte_ | ok could simply recover it by getting a link through email | 14:59 |
| _inte_ | however | 14:59 |
| _inte_ | is it normal this happens everytime? | 14:59 |
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| Nicd- | shanxS: use devel-su, password is the one you set in developer mode settings | 15:00 |
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| shanxS | Nicd-: got it.. thanks.. | 15:01 |
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| shanxS | louisdk: that works, and does not give me the access to devel-su! | 15:04 |
| shanxS | thank you all :-) | 15:04 |
| louisdk | shanxS, good to hear. You're welcome :) | 15:05 |
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| Sail0r | yeah, prime instant video works on jolla | 15:15 |
| _inte_ | Sail0r: made an entry at tjc regarding the rebooting issue: https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down-10819/?sort=votes&page=6#sort-top | 15:15 |
| _inte_ | please vote for it to bring it up in the list as it seems a real solution to solve the problem | 15:16 |
| Sail0r | :) | 15:16 |
| Sail0r | done | 15:16 |
| * tbr still claims BS on that | 15:16 | |
| tbr | there are a few corner cases, but once the charger is not connected, it is irrelevant what charged the battery | 15:17 |
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| _inte_ | tbr it worked for both of us | 15:20 |
| _inte_ | I can even reproduce it | 15:20 |
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| _inte_ | I have a powerpack from Pearl that supplys eiterh 1,1 or 2,4 A | 15:20 |
| tbr | _inte_: does the phone reboot while on charger or while not connected? | 15:21 |
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| _inte_ | if i use the 2,4 a for some time the phone will fall into the reboot circles afterwards | 15:21 |
| _inte_ | the problem vanishes once i revert back to the genuine chager | 15:21 |
| _inte_ | it reboots only if charger is *not* connected | 15:22 |
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| tbr | I suspect that is a completely different issue though. Just as I was afraid, there is not just /one/ root cause | 15:22 |
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| tbr | you might be seeing a very different issue that has ultimately a similar or even indistinguishable effect. | 15:23 |
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| louisdk | Hmm. I have a 16GB spare micro sd card. Can decide if I should put it in my Jolla or not. | 15:24 |
| ggabriel | do it! | 15:24 |
| ggabriel | :) | 15:24 |
| * Stskeeps wouldn't mind SATA on his jolla. | 15:24 | |
| ggabriel | wireless sata | 15:24 |
| tbr | enterprise version with SAS or FC please | 15:25 |
| ggabriel | i wonder what'd happen if google and friends parse the logs of this channel | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | skynet. | 15:25 |
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| ggabriel | and then some news agency start saying things like "jolla 2 with wireless sata with fc in the making!" | 15:25 |
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| inte | ggabriel: fc=fedora core? | 15:28 |
| ggabriel | fiber channel | 15:29 |
| Sail0r | i want 4k support | 15:30 |
| Sail0r | and wireless hdmi | 15:30 |
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| ggabriel | 8k! | 15:31 |
| ggabriel | with 3d | 15:31 |
| ggabriel | sorry, 4d | 15:31 |
| ggabriel | incidentially, i've just told my colleagus that my personal phone runs sailfish and they thought i was joking | 15:32 |
| stephg | :) | 15:32 |
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| louisdk | How should I format a micro sd card for use in my Jolla? fat32, ext4 or btrfs? | 15:38 |
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| SK_work | louisdk: I use fat32 | 15:41 |
| SK_work | works well | 15:41 |
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| ggabriel | louisdk: depends what you want to read it with | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | i use btrfs | 15:42 |
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| ggabriel | formatted on the jolla tho | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | but then i don't remove hte sd card from the phone | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | scp and sshfs are my friends | 15:43 |
| Nav | does btrfs auto mount without fiddling with scripts now? | 15:43 |
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| ggabriel | Nav: yup | 15:51 |
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| louisdk | ggabriel, can you do that in settings or do you need an app? | 15:53 |
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| SK_work | louisdk: term | 15:55 |
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| louisdk | SK_work, right | 15:58 |
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| louisdk | I got my Jolla back from repair today with a new screen. The new screen has some plastic over it and a little tap to pull it off. I was wondering if a screen protector for my Jolla is better than this plastic which seems quite transparent. I guess the Savvies screen protectors are more solid. | 16:03 |
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| Stskeeps | it's much better. it's not meant to protect screen except during transport | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | as in, get a different one | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | so there's no additional scratches etc | 16:04 |
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| louisdk | Stskeeps, Seems like a good idea. I'll put one of my Savvies screen protectors on. | 16:07 |
| louisdk | If I restore a backup I get no warning that my existing data will be erased. I trough I would just a new stuff to the existing stuff on the phone. | 16:09 |
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| inte | louisdk: how much did you pay for the new screen? | 16:20 |
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| SK_work | morning chriadam o/ | 16:24 |
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| teve | inte: 120€ | 16:27 |
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| SK_work | (maybe chriadam sleepwalking :D) | 16:28 |
| inte | ah same as they offered it for me | 16:28 |
| inte | just doublechecking :) | 16:28 |
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| inte | teve: did they replace the entire frame or just the screen? | 16:40 |
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| louisdk | inte, free, repaired under warranty. | 16:40 |
| inte | my frame might be a bit... bended - which might have led to the screen cracking | 16:40 |
| inte | louisdk: how did you manage getting your screen repaired on warranty? | 16:41 |
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| louisdk | inte, I got yellow marks on the screen which was a hardware issue and therefore repaired under warranty :) | 16:48 |
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| inte | ah | 17:15 |
| inte | thanks | 17:15 |
| inte | maybe i shoud paint my screen:) | 17:15 |
| inte | jut kidding | 17:15 |
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| louisdk | inte, it's sad if you've accidentally cracked your screen. The Insmat case is a life saver :) | 17:26 |
| inte | jep | 17:27 |
| inte | you mean sth. like that? | 17:27 |
| inte | http://shop.jolla.com/eu_en/cat-accessories/lastu-wallet-case-curly-birch.html | 17:27 |
| inte | louisdk: actually im not aware having cracked it | 17:28 |
| Sailor-2gether | http://www.rovio.com/en/news/blog/552/towards-a-simplified-organization/ | 17:28 |
| inte | i had the jolla in my pocket | 17:28 |
| inte | and the the screen was suddenly cracked, right in the middle | 17:28 |
| Morpog_PC__ | suddenly! | 17:29 |
| Sailor-2gether | my galaxy s2 had the same ^^ | 17:29 |
| inte | i cant remeber any event which could have triggerd it | 17:29 |
| Sailor-2gether | it started getting more blue and blue | 17:29 |
| Sailor-2gether | and then it cracked | 17:29 |
| Sailor-2gether | ^^ | 17:29 |
| Sailor-2gether | but i forgot it at -20c in the car | 17:29 |
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| Sailor-2gether | and took it back to the warmth | 17:30 |
| Morpog_PC__ | suddenly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWDlzU1e9Bc :D | 17:30 |
| * Morpog_PC__ rofls | 17:30 | |
| inte | its summer in germany | 17:31 |
| inte | more or less | 17:31 |
| Morpog_PC__ | well, less actually | 17:32 |
| inte | and -20deegree is not particular common here anyways:) | 17:32 |
| Sailor-2gether | it was in munich | 17:32 |
| Sailor-2gether | I am from germany ,) | 17:32 |
| Morpog_PC__ | we all seem to be :D | 17:32 |
| inte | woups :) | 17:32 |
| inte | depends where you are in germany | 17:32 |
| Sailor-2gether | one moment reconnect | 17:32 |
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| inte | hamburg can become pretty cold as well | 17:32 |
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| inte | but in between its rather average | 17:33 |
| Morpog_PC__ | well hamburg is like south england :D | 17:33 |
| Sail0r | bavaria munich ;) | 17:33 |
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| inte | :) | 17:34 |
| inte | we had a great summer this year | 17:34 |
| inte | compared to the rest of Germany | 17:34 |
| Morpog_PC__ | thats true | 17:34 |
| inte | quite unusual | 17:34 |
| Morpog_PC__ | but I headed to italy when it was worst ;) | 17:34 |
| Sail0r | you two are from hamburg? | 17:34 |
| inte | ok, nice:) | 17:35 |
| Morpog_PC__ | nah, Stuttgart | 17:35 |
| inte | i am | 17:35 |
| inte | i didnt have to flee from the summer this year:) | 17:35 |
| Sail0r | ah, Stuttgart is ok ;) my grandparents lived there | 17:35 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | oh rumours say LG works on a smartwatch with webOS | 17:38 |
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| louisdk | inte, that does not sound to good :/ | 17:42 |
| inte | well | 17:42 |
| inte | maybe that my frame is a bit bended | 17:43 |
| inte | and i had my daughter sitting on my knee a few times but not that particular day | 17:44 |
| inte | and she is like 12kg or sth. | 17:44 |
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| inte | i dont know | 17:45 |
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| inte | if they'd replace my frame AND screen for 120euro ill probaby agree | 17:45 |
| teve | inte: here is pic of display unit: http://www.puuppa.org/~teve/20141002_001.jpg | 17:46 |
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| inte | teve: that is what is beeing replaced? | 17:48 |
| teve | yep | 17:48 |
| inte | not the thin metallframe whith the jolla painting on it? | 17:48 |
| teve | nope, it's still original one. | 17:50 |
| inte | too bad | 17:50 |
| inte | i will have to bargain about the price then? | 17:51 |
| inte | ! | 17:51 |
| Sail0r | maybe they say buy a new one ^ | 17:51 |
| inte | maybe i can get some discount if i take a case in addition :) | 17:51 |
| inte | hehe | 17:51 |
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| inte | i will buy a new one | 17:51 |
| Sail0r | #bendgate on jolla | 17:51 |
| Sail0r | lol | 17:51 |
| inte | a new jolla2 :) | 17:51 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | i wonder what they are working on https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/516881109448400896 | 17:53 |
| Morpog_PC__ | something new | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | mining gold in world of warcraft | 17:54 |
| Sail0r | lol | 17:54 |
| Morpog_PC__ | ahhhh thats why update 9 is late | 17:54 |
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| Sail0r | hacking bash | 17:54 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 17:54 |
| Morpog_PC__ | lets zoom in the screens | 17:55 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | looks like thefappening pics | 17:55 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | need csi zoom | 17:56 |
| Morpog_PC__ | true | 17:56 |
| faenil | definitely fappening, I confirm | 17:56 |
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| Sail0r | wtf https://together.jolla.com/question/57565/warning-do-not-uninstall-younited/ | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | iekku: ^ | 18:08 |
| Morpog_PC__ | someone brave enough to reproduce? | 18:09 |
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| * tbr fixed a similar situation by nuking the android directories after uninstalling dalvi | 18:10 | |
| tbr | k | 18:10 |
| AL13N | can't you just take a snapshot before you do it? | 18:11 |
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| Sail0r | if he does not need android support | 18:12 |
| Sail0r | it doesn't matter | 18:12 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 18:12 |
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| Sail0r | do it Morpog | 18:15 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 18:15 |
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| minimec | Sail0r: Morpog_PC__: I cannot confirm that. I uninstalled after first launch, but I did not create an account. So I did not really use the app. | 18:22 |
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| Morpog_Jolla | minimec: can you resond on toj? | 18:23 |
| minimec | Morpog_Jolla: I will... | 18:23 |
| Morpog_Jolla | great! | 18:23 |
| minimec | Morpog_Jolla: Done! I added a comment to the original question... | 18:26 |
| Morpog_Jolla | thx | 18:27 |
| Sail0r | but he does not believe you ^ | 18:27 |
| Sail0r | because you didn't use it | 18:27 |
| minimec | Sail0r: That's why I mention it... ;) | 18:28 |
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| iekku | Sail0r, Stskeeps: thanks for pointing it out | 19:19 |
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| Nicd- | the comments on the younited app just keep getting better | 20:01 |
| Nicd- | so much butthurt | 20:01 |
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| Sail0r | meeeh i hate virtualbox since 4.3.14 | 20:24 |
| Sail0r | they broke everything with that release ... | 20:24 |
| Sail0r | reverted back to 4.3.12 | 20:25 |
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