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| Andy80 | hi | 09:35 |
| Andy80 | are there any known issues on OpenRepos or Wharehouse client? | 09:35 |
| Andy80 | it's been a few days I can't upgrade any app | 09:35 |
| Nicd- | whorehouse :D | 09:35 |
| Andy80 | I have to uninstall/reinstall them or disable/reenable the repository | 09:36 |
| clau | try do this: My profile -> Show updates -> Check for updates | 09:37 |
| clau | you should get the list with existing updates and tapping on any of them will update the package | 09:37 |
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| Andy80 | yeah that's the point...I should... but I only get errors like repo-not-available | 09:38 |
| clau | if there's stuff you can't identify, don't update it | 09:38 |
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| Andy80 | or similar stuff | 09:38 |
| clau | I see | 09:38 |
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| Andy80 | I try again... | 09:39 |
| Andy80 | ok for example now it found an update | 09:39 |
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| mcfrisk | how to install less into jolla? it's getting annoying to debug things without it... | 09:42 |
| tbr | mcfrisk: pkcon er mer-tools, pkcon refresh | 09:43 |
| tbr | then pkcon install less | 09:43 |
| Nicd- | tbr: is 'pkcon er' the same as 'ssu ar'? | 09:43 |
| tbr | argh | 09:43 |
| tbr | ssu er mer-tools | 09:43 |
| tbr | IIRC it only needs enable-repo, not add-repo | 09:44 |
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| Nicd- | I did 'ssu ar mer-tools' back in the day to get less | 09:45 |
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| mcfrisk | pkcon refresh shows "Couldn't resolve host 'store-repository.jolla.com'" | 09:49 |
| mcfrisk | but eventually it seemed to work, dunny what's up there.. | 09:50 |
| mcfrisk | less installed so thanks tbr and Nicd- | 09:50 |
| tbr | :) | 09:51 |
| clau | mcfrisk: I'd guess you have a DNS issue | 09:53 |
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| mcfrisk | clau: well, I have 4g up and usb networking shouldn't affect that I guess, could also be just long delays, maybe.. | 09:57 |
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| mcfrisk | Is /usr/lib/qt5/qml/com/jolla/mediaplayer/libmediaplayerplugin.so is closed source on jolla? | 10:09 |
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| SK_work | mcfrisk: yes | 10:13 |
| SK_work | it is related to jolla-mediaplayer | 10:13 |
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| SK_work | but a wild guess is that it is a QML plugin | 10:13 |
| SK_work | you can introspect it via qmlplugindump | 10:13 |
| mcfrisk | ah, I was trying to debug why m3u files end up in "All songs" list, I'll try this | 10:16 |
| SK_work | mcfrisk: fixed in next update | 10:16 |
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| SK_work | actually when you try to play this m3u file, it even crashes | 10:16 |
| SK_work | and I would orient you on debugging how media files are indexed :) | 10:16 |
| mcfrisk | nope, it actually plays. Ahaa... so tracker or search bug. | 10:17 |
| mcfrisk | but if it will be fixed then I can wait too, incase there isn't a simple fix in qml or so... | 10:17 |
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| Sail0r | nice one http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=7647 | 11:18 |
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| Stskeeps | sigh | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:20 |
| Sail0r | that's one reason why it's better SailfishOS does a reboot for update as Fedora does, too ^^ | 11:21 |
| meklu | I don't even have nss installed on my VPS | 11:22 |
| meklu | :> | 11:22 |
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| inte` | are there any rumors about a jolla2 in the makings? | 11:40 |
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| inte` | my screen is broken and i wont get it repaired if i could get a jolla2 in 5 month | 11:40 |
| ggabriel | inte`: normally hw releases are 2yr long | 11:41 |
| Nicd- | inte`: damn, you broke your screen already? | 11:43 |
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| ggabriel | well, mine is cracked | 11:45 |
| ggabriel | i'm impressed that moisture doesn't get in though | 11:45 |
| ggabriel | after all the abuse i give it | 11:45 |
| stephg | ggabriel: speaking of which, I've tripped the moisture sensor on mine | 11:46 |
| stephg | still works but the dot is BRIGHT RED | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | i didn't know there was a moisture sensor :) | 11:47 |
| stephg | the white hexagon next to the camera | 11:47 |
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| stephg | least I presume that's what it is | 11:47 |
| stephg | used to be white on mine, but after a particularly soggy cycle home is now red :) | 11:48 |
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| inte | Nicd- was suddenly broken | 11:48 |
| stephg | ggabriel: lick it and find out* | 11:48 |
| inte | cant figure out any event or something | 11:48 |
| * stephg doesn't actually recommend doing that | 11:48 | |
| ggabriel | stephg: i can see it now :) | 11:48 |
| Nicd- | inte: you mean physically cracked? | 11:48 |
| inte | just one rather straigt crack from the speaker to the bottom | 11:49 |
| inte | yeah | 11:49 |
| Nicd- | ouch :( | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | inte: have you ever dropped it? :) | 11:49 |
| inte | sure | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | there you go | 11:49 |
| inte | but not recently | 11:49 |
| ggabriel | my crack appeared hours after a bad drop | 11:50 |
| inte | i dropped it maybe 4 month ago | 11:50 |
| inte | the crack appeared 2 weeks ago | 11:50 |
| inte | pretty hard to see a connection | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | it doesn't look like the glass has a proper frame to absorb external shock/bending/etc | 11:50 |
| Nicd- | I remember my friend dropped her new galaxy note on the pavement and it cracked horizontally | 11:50 |
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| Nicd- | she was so sad :( | 11:50 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: well, it was a samsung... | 11:51 |
| ggabriel | best excuse to buy a real phone | 11:51 |
| Nicd- | jolla didn't exist at the time | 11:51 |
| inte | but it cracked instantly? | 11:51 |
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| ggabriel | inte: it cracked in the day in my case, but it was a nasty fall (i have some chipping here and there) | 11:51 |
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| inte | as i said for me it fell on the floor when ibwas about to put it in my trousers | 11:52 |
| Nicd- | inte: yes | 11:52 |
| inte | since then, one of the upper edges is a bit brocken | 11:53 |
| inte | i guess it fell dirextly on the edge | 11:53 |
| inte | however, the crack appeared just recently | 11:53 |
| inte | when i had it in my trousers | 11:54 |
| inte | of course its possible someonebelse dropped it in between | 11:54 |
| inte | like when it was charging | 11:54 |
| inte | like, my little daughter:) | 11:54 |
| Nicd- | maybe pressure was applied in just the right way that the existing tensions after the drop were released | 11:54 |
| Nicd- | glass tends to work like that sometimes | 11:55 |
| inte | but, actually it was, i was using it, put it in my pocket, and a couple of houres later there was this crack | 11:55 |
| inte | nicd- maybe | 11:55 |
| Nicd- | a glass coffee table might just explode on its own without anyone touching it because of the tensions created by the tempering process | 11:56 |
| inte | jolla would charge 120€ for a new screen but would they als replace the frame? | 11:56 |
| inte | this is a bit bend since the fall several month ago | 11:57 |
| inte | othetwise, the new screen might crack again | 11:57 |
| inte | because of the tensions possibly caused by the bended frame i mean | 11:59 |
| inte | i cant remember huge changes.in environmental temperature at the day the crack appeared | 12:00 |
| inte | dont know... | 12:00 |
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| mcfrisk | SK_work: regarding m3u files in "All songs", so jolla-mediaplayer is actually working as specified, and /usr/lib/qt5/qml/com/jolla/mediaplayer/TrackerHelpers.js is correct, but currently tracker is reporting m3u files as nmm:MusicPiece, as per examples in https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Tracker/Documentation/Examples/SPARQL/Music | 12:21 |
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| Sail0r | https://twitter.com/CloudTimo/status/517302892412542977 | 13:34 |
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| * tbr loves how jolla does the typically corporate crowd management thing and jumps up "nothing to see here! go away! wait for the announcement!" | 13:38 | |
| tbr | not always unlike | 13:39 |
| Sail0r | hehe | 13:39 |
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| Jope | unlike *) | 13:42 |
| Jope | *) for predefined values of unlike | 13:42 |
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| cybette | it'll also help sometimes if people will consider expectation management before jumping the gun | 13:44 |
| trigpoint | is it possible to install the command line mplayer on jolla? | 13:46 |
| mcfrisk | is the next update going to fix tracker and its rules? I see some wierd things in mp3 file querys, odd mime types... | 13:46 |
| stephg | trigpoint: someone would need to build it (and it needs to support wayland) | 13:46 |
| tbr | trigpoint: would probably work with libcaca or libaa | 13:47 |
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| trigpoint | I have both quickradio and sailwave installed, but have never worked out what stream it is looking for | 13:51 |
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| mcfrisk | umh, do Jolla apps dynamically load .js files, meaning I could just edit /usr/lib/qt5/qml/com/jolla/mediaplayer/TrackerHelpers.js and expect runnin media player to change behavior right away? | 13:57 |
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| Tofe | mcfrisk: I think a restart of the app is needed | 13:59 |
| * RST38h throws up at the mention of .js files | 13:59 | |
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| mcfrisk | Tofe: ok, so at least reboot is not needed to precompile bins or something | 14:01 |
| Nicd- | hey RST38h, my jolla app has around 10 .js files already ;) | 14:01 |
| mcfrisk | RST38h: well, since Jolla apps are closed source, it's actually good that the .js files are not scrambled, and can actually be edited to work around issues with things like tracker | 14:02 |
| RST38h | mcfrisk: Nice security model, too | 14:03 |
| coderus | security model? | 14:05 |
| Tofe | RST38h: well, as long as you are doing things as root, there's no security anyway | 14:05 |
| coderus | smoking weeds? | 14:05 |
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| mcfrisk | RST38h: security model is not an assue. Try doing some hacking on N9 like this... | 14:07 |
| RST38h | Tofe: No SMACK? Jolla people got rid of SMACK? | 14:09 |
| SK_work | Jolla people never used SMACK iirc | 14:11 |
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| * mcfrisk fixed a bug in jolla, and enjoyed it! | 14:29 | |
| cb400f | cool ;-) | 14:30 |
| cb400f | hadn't noticed any bugs though :-) | 14:31 |
| mcfrisk | now if only there was a simple way to handle patched scripts etc text files on a jolla device. Should I "cd / && git init" :) | 14:31 |
| mcfrisk | cb400f: then your usage is light, like any SW product, jolla has plenty of bugs... | 14:32 |
| SK_work | mcfrisk: patchmanager | 14:32 |
| SK_work | mcfrisk: send PR here https://github.com/sailfishos-patches/sailfishos-patches-base | 14:32 |
| Tofe | SK_work: are the bugfix patches submitted somehow to Jolla too ? | 14:33 |
| SK_work | no :( | 14:33 |
| SK_work | community way to do some patching | 14:33 |
| * SK_work still dreams of a way to send them upstream, but it seems to be fully closed | 14:33 | |
| Tofe | Ah, we should find a way, otherwise it's a useless duplication of work | 14:33 |
| SK_work | Tofe: +1 | 14:34 |
| SK_work | ^ cybette | 14:34 |
| SK_work | same topic again | 14:34 |
| SK_work | I know, you are just the messenger | 14:34 |
| SK_work | but still ... | 14:34 |
| mcfrisk | SK_work: heh, jolla-mediaplayer not listed there, but I guess the .js parts could be added since they hopefully can not brick the device | 14:35 |
| cybette | SK_work: nod | 14:35 |
| SK_work | mcfrisk: it isn't ? | 14:35 |
| SK_work | damn | 14:36 |
| SK_work | yep, indeed, please include them :) | 14:36 |
| coderus | SK_work: btw, are you working on updating patches for Uitukka already? :D | 14:41 |
| SK_work | was fiddling with nodejs these days, but patches will be updated :) | 14:43 |
| SK_work | at lesat mine | 14:43 |
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| coderus | yep, i'm talking about lipstick ones, since folder structure is changed :) | 14:44 |
| mcfrisk | SK_work: how should the sailfishos-patches-base be used? git clone to jolla device and then apply as root, or? Hmm, why not git clone and develop on the phone too, why not... | 14:45 |
| SK_work | mcfrisk: build them and use patchmanager to handle them | 14:48 |
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| SK_work | coderus: indeed | 14:48 |
| mcfrisk | aww, jolla doesn't have git-email by default | 14:49 |
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| mcfrisk | is there some jolla 'build-essentials' package to install usefull and often needed development tools on a jolla? $ git add -p README.md: git: 'add--interactive' is not a git command. See 'git --help'. | 14:54 |
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| SK_work | mcfrisk: well ... | 15:02 |
| SK_work | add interactive might not be shipped as git on the jolla is not a complete one | 15:02 |
| SK_work | why would you develop *on* the jolla when you have some wonderful cross-build env (aka mer sdk) | 15:02 |
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| mcfrisk | SK_work: why wouldn't I develop on my Jolla? It has more disk space than my old ssd laptop, two cores and a gig or RAM like my desktop. All I really need is a keyboard and a terminal/display... | 15:04 |
| SK_work | mcfrisk: hum, compiling on arm is quite inefficient ? | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | yes and no.. anyhow, do it with a chroot for sure | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | you don't want to get into the mesa-libEGL mess on device | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | => brick | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:05 |
| SK_work | ah ? | 15:05 |
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| mcfrisk | SK_work: compiling? I just want to patch some script files. The stuff that I'd want to compile are closed source or can really brick the device anyway... | 15:06 |
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| mcfrisk | and I'll say it out loud, Jolla is that last device for me where I don't have sources to the most important apps I use.. | 15:07 |
| mcfrisk | rmpbuild would nice now to test change to sailfishos-patches-base :) | 15:08 |
| SK_work | thought about building your own core apps instead of using jolla ones ? | 15:08 |
| mcfrisk | well, that would be nice but what's the quality of those apps, mainly email, camera, gallery, calendar and browser... | 15:10 |
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| ggabriel | browser is open source | 15:20 |
| ggabriel | there's some interesting work being done there such as text selection and so on | 15:20 |
| clau | coderus has a few patches for the browser in his openrepos repo, btw. | 15:24 |
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| RST38h | SK_work: No smack? that's a relief | 15:31 |
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| coderus | clau: its not in Jolla Store and nobody care of it, ahahaha :D | 15:35 |
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| Sail0r | https://twitter.com/mikko/status/517358472715710465 | 20:28 |
| Sail0r | nice xD | 20:28 |
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| Nightmare__ | :D | 20:30 |
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| r0kk3rz_ | that's gold | 20:40 |
| r0kk3rz_ | shitty ms devs breaking the number 9 | 20:41 |
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| r0kk3rz_ | not sure how big a problem that is though | 20:41 |
| r0kk3rz_ | surely theres not much left to support 95 and 98 | 20:42 |
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| Nightmare__ | some software would throw an error when dedecting "Windows 9*" because it's not supported | 20:44 |
| Shinryuu | oh.. | 20:44 |
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| dunp | http://puu.sh/bVEQk.png | 20:45 |
| r0kk3rz_ | yeah I suppose | 20:45 |
| dunp | :D | 20:45 |
| r0kk3rz_ | but the main maintaned ones would fix that | 20:45 |
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| stephg | good evening. | 21:31 |
| stephg | in the interests of full disclosure, I must tell you, that I have chocolate | 21:32 |
| * bjorn now wants some but was about to brush his teeth. Arg! | 21:32 | |
| stephg | first world problems! ;) | 21:33 |
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