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| topi` | what kind of experiences do you have of Jolla care? I clicked thru the web form yesterday, describing my problem, I wonder how many days until they respond? | 06:40 |
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| mcfrisk | topi`: they respond pretty fast, my experiences are good | 06:53 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu updated to v0.8.8. Please test it as soon as possible. Settings migrated to dconf, may contain any random bugs. | 09:19 |
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| entil | coderus: weird thing, it wanted to send me a new activation code but still everything worked as usual | 09:31 |
| entil | coderus: scared me for a while there | 09:31 |
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| iamtew | oh, I just updated mine to 0.8.7 because I had a badly outdated version.. | 09:32 |
| iamtew | like 30 minutes ago.. | 09:32 |
| entil | yeah, looked scary, cuz I think the last time I had to reactivate meant I had to add contacts again and lost all discussions etc, but this might also have been maybe half a year ago | 09:34 |
| iamtew | weird, my contacts has always stayed, even the chat history | 09:35 |
| entil | I might be thinking of the transition to mitakuuluu2, who cares, it's still scary to see an activation code | 09:36 |
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| TMavica | coderus: cant mute group, it keep rings | 10:13 |
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| TMavica | coderus: cover page action in setting not same as in cover page | 10:16 |
| TMavica | and the action wont work | 10:17 |
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| coderus | entil: affirmative | 11:12 |
| coderus | entil: remember your salt password for future | 11:12 |
| coderus | it will register you without activation code next time | 11:12 |
| AL13N_work | hmm, i hear tomorrow is ITLAP day | 11:14 |
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| AL13N_work | arr | 11:14 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu v0.8.8-2 with some hotfixies added. Please check and report bugs. | 11:34 |
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| inte | hello | 11:37 |
| oku | Thanks for the ui improvements! I really like the ability to lock UI directions. | 11:37 |
| inte | all ny calendars are gone | 11:37 |
| inte | i cant even select the default calendar... | 11:38 |
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| inte | how can i fix that | 11:38 |
| oku | do you have a backup? | 11:39 |
| inte | well yes | 11:39 |
| inte | maybe | 11:39 |
| oku | does replacing it help any? | 11:39 |
| inte | but i dont know since when its broken | 11:39 |
| inte | didnt check that | 11:39 |
| inte | abd its old | 11:39 |
| inte | isnt there a possibilty to purge calendar settings | 11:40 |
| inte | and set it up again? | 11:40 |
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| oku | i've got now idea, but i would guess there is some way of manually accessing the calendar database | 11:41 |
| inte | mh | 11:41 |
| inte | i will ssh into the device | 11:41 |
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| inte | tonight | 11:42 |
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| inte | but if anybody has a hint id be happy to know | 11:42 |
| inte | just msg me | 11:42 |
| stephg | well launch the calendar, lsof -p the process and see which files it has open | 11:43 |
| stephg | ^^ inte | 11:43 |
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| inte | ok thx | 11:47 |
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| oku | does anyone know a fix for cursor misalignment in fingerterm | 11:54 |
| oku | in jollatogether someone suggested that changing LANG variable would help, but it didn't help | 11:55 |
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| oku | the cursor mark is far ahead the end of text | 11:56 |
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| coderus | oku: increate font size | 12:25 |
| coderus | no other solution | 12:26 |
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| oku | didn't help :( | 12:27 |
| oku | is that a known bug already? because it makes the terminal practically unusable | 12:28 |
| Nicd- | oku: does it always happen for you? | 12:28 |
| oku | yes | 12:29 |
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| oku | straight out of the box it's always been like that | 12:29 |
| oku | i just tried to remove ~/.config/FingerTerm/ but that didn't help either | 12:29 |
| Nicd- | it instantly happens when you start it? | 12:30 |
| oku | also text editing with nano is a pain | 12:30 |
| oku | Nicd-: yes | 12:30 |
| Nicd- | ok, that's odd then. what's your locale? | 12:30 |
| oku | fi_FI.utf8 | 12:30 |
| Nicd- | all of them are fi_FI.utf8? | 12:30 |
| oku | tried changing it to en_US.utf8 and en_GB.utf8 | 12:30 |
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| tbr | oku: also noticed the bug, it depends a bit on the font size | 12:34 |
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| oku | tbr: changing font size bigger seems to make it closer for a bit, but not nearly enough | 12:34 |
| tbr | *nod* | 12:34 |
| oku | it's _really_ annoying as i'd like to have terminal a lot | 12:35 |
| tbr | upstream nowadays is jolla, hosted probably either on nemo or on a jolla internal git repository | 12:35 |
| tbr | try contacting thp, he might know more | 12:35 |
| oku | i'll msg him if he would know | 12:36 |
| oku | and i'll report here if i get it working :) | 12:36 |
| tbr | you could try the silica version, maybe that has it fixed | 12:37 |
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| Nicd- | where is the silica version? | 12:38 |
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| oku | yeah, that would be worth testing, where can i find it | 12:41 |
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| trigpoint | how do i export my contacts? | 12:46 |
| DrainBamaged | Put them on a ship? :P jk | 12:46 |
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| SK_work | trigpoint: what do you want to do ? | 12:49 |
| SK_work | you can bluetooth or use command line | 12:49 |
| Anz_ | when typing ifconfig or ip addr , it says command not found. something wrong? :/ | 12:50 |
| AL13N_work | devel-su ? | 12:52 |
| SK_work | trigpoint: vcardconverted --export <filename> | 12:52 |
| SK_work | this exports contacts as vcard format (but not those from webservices) | 12:52 |
| SK_work | vcardconverted | 12:52 |
| SK_work | vcardconverter | 12:52 |
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| Tegu | the settings has some backup section but I have no idea where it saves them to | 12:53 |
| Anz_ | no. just nemo | 12:54 |
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| tbr | Nicd-: an old build was in chum | 12:59 |
| tbr | Nicd-: sources are on github nemo iirc | 12:59 |
| trigpoint | that comes up with a load of binary followed by the new ones, it is missing the ones from my n9 | 13:02 |
| trigpoint | phone is playing up but need to save them before i can do a reset | 13:03 |
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| SK_work | trigpoint: the best would be to use backup | 13:07 |
| SK_work | clone backup to your computer | 13:07 |
| SK_work | and restore backup as git | 13:07 |
| SK_work | or use vcardconverter | 13:07 |
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| trigpoint | thanks will try backup | 13:11 |
| SK_work | clone is git clone ssh://nemo@192.168.2.15:/home/nemo/.vault | 13:11 |
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| trigpoint | is there a reason my old contacts don't get exported, i.e. the ones from my N9 that I transfered with bluetooth new phone wizard thing? | 13:28 |
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| topi` | I was in the middle of doing an upgrade (the device goes to the Sailfish logo with a simple progress indicator) ... and then the screen went black and the LED is blinking white every 5 seconds or so | 13:47 |
| topi` | does anyone know what this means? | 13:47 |
| topi` | I'm afraid my device is fried...again... | 13:48 |
| Nicd- | jolla guys would know | 13:48 |
| Nicd- | is it connected to charger? | 13:48 |
| topi` | yes, it's connected to my Thinkpad USB port | 13:48 |
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| topi` | we should get some Jolla guys here on this channel... | 13:48 |
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| Nicd- | that may not be enough power for charging when the CPU is active though | 13:49 |
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| topi` | Nicd-: the battery is full, anyhow | 13:52 |
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| topi` | now I pressed the power button for 5 seconds, and jolla logo came up | 13:53 |
| Nicd- | did the progress bar go to the end=? | 13:54 |
| topi` | no, it went half way, and then screen went black | 13:54 |
| Nicd- | ok, that's not good I think | 13:54 |
| topi` | that's maybe why the jolla store app kept on crashing after my 1st update attempt | 13:54 |
| topi` | it booted to 1.0.2.5 but it was impossible to upgrade further because the app store kept crashing | 13:54 |
| topi` | I wish there were a serial console or somehthing that I could follow to see what's happening... | 13:55 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | in some updates the screen did go black, if i remember right | 13:55 |
| topi` | so, do you just need to wait half an hour after the black screen, so that it finishes completely? | 13:56 |
| topi` | or how do you get any signal that it's ready? | 13:56 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | i dont remember how long the screen was black | 13:57 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | i dont remember anything else | 13:57 |
| topi` | my guess is that the Xorg does not start ,at all | 13:57 |
| topi` | and that's why screen is blank, even though the sw probably is running | 13:58 |
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| Nicd- | Sailfish does not use Xorg | 13:58 |
| Nicd- | it uses Wayland | 13:58 |
| topi` | I can see it toggles backlight on/off if I now press the power button once | 13:58 |
| topi` | otherwise no signs of life | 13:58 |
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| topi` | is there any Jolla service center in Helsinki? | 13:59 |
| topi` | I just want this damn thing flashed. | 13:59 |
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| Aciid | topi`: optima service? | 14:05 |
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| Aciid | topi`: http://optimaservice.fi/ | 14:06 |
| Nicd- | but they probably won't take it in without a care ticket | 14:06 |
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| trigpoint | My jolla keeps powering off suddenly, always associated with trying to do something like take a photo, check email | 14:07 |
| Nicd- | trigpoint: contact care | 14:09 |
| trigpoint | Nicd Thanks | 14:09 |
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| coderus | Check Mitakuuluu v0.8.8-3 bugfix. Report bugs as soon as possible. | 15:01 |
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| AL13N_work | coderus: aren't you supposed to be perfect and not make mistakes/bugs? :-) | 15:06 |
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| AL13N_work | j/k | 15:08 |
| AL13N_work | btw: | 15:08 |
| AL13N_work | tomorrow is "International Talk Like A Pirate Day" (ITLAPD) | 15:09 |
| AL13N_work | so... harr-harr | 15:09 |
| AL13N_work | arrr matey | 15:09 |
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| stephg | oh no | 15:19 |
| covox | hah, that time of year again | 15:21 |
| javispedro | the time where javispedro /joins in? yeah, scary times | 15:22 |
| * javispedro looks up chanlogs | 15:22 | |
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| covox | I think I'm going to spend most of tomorrow glued to the scottish independence referendum | 15:24 |
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| covox | if the rest of this week was any indicator | 15:24 |
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| r0kk3rz | should get a result tonight i would have thought | 15:26 |
| r0kk3rz | its not a complicated count | 15:26 |
| r0kk3rz | simple y/s | 15:26 |
| r0kk3rz | *y/s | 15:26 |
| r0kk3rz | *y.n | 15:26 |
| r0kk3rz | ill get it right eventually | 15:26 |
| inz | infinite number of monkeys... | 15:26 |
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| inz | r0kk3rz, I guess it depends on what you mean by "tonight", the booths are open until 10pm GMT, and obviously they can't start counting before that | 15:29 |
| r0kk3rz | oh wow thats late | 15:29 |
| r0kk3rz | i didnt think they'd be open that late | 15:29 |
| r0kk3rz | typically aus federal elections are closed by like 5pm | 15:30 |
| inz | They expect first results at around 2am GMT | 15:30 |
| r0kk3rz | and you get the result at around 10pm ish | 15:30 |
| covox | yep | 15:30 |
| coderus | AL13N_work: what are you talking about? | 15:30 |
| inz | And final results at around 6am | 15:30 |
| covox | r0kk3rz: with federal elections, you can also call it a lot quicker because it's number of seats | 15:31 |
| covox | this referendum is a simple majority of votes, and since it's so freaking close every single vote'll have to be counted | 15:31 |
| r0kk3rz | well yeah it depends on how close it ends up being | 15:32 |
| r0kk3rz | but theres no preferences and other crap that other elections have was more my point | 15:32 |
| r0kk3rz | but if you're not counting until after 10pm then yeah...... | 15:33 |
| AL13N_work | coderus: nvm, bad joke | 15:33 |
| r0kk3rz | is it such a great idea to have people counting something this important at like 2am? | 15:34 |
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| r0kk3rz | i guess you'd want to do multiple counts | 15:35 |
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| covox | as someone who lives in GMT+8 it suits me pretty well :) | 15:36 |
| covox | in the sense of wiping out my productivity for the friday | 15:36 |
| r0kk3rz | hah | 15:36 |
| AL13N_work | fuck it, i'll hear it on the radio tomorrow morning | 15:37 |
| r0kk3rz | i did think about going to edinburgh tonight, but if the result isnt going to come out until 2am | 15:37 |
| AL13N_work | covox: i would've guessed most scots wanted independence for like ... centuries? | 15:37 |
| AL13N_work | millenia? | 15:38 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure the scots have really been scots for millennia | 15:38 |
| covox | AL13N_work: the union is 307 years old | 15:38 |
| AL13N_work | i expected cutting off balls for every person they come accross not wearing kilt | 15:38 |
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| AL13N_work | covox: btw: why is this referendum now? and not (i donno 100y ago?) | 15:40 |
| AL13N_work | or last year | 15:40 |
| AL13N_work | what's the reason for it? | 15:40 |
| covox | AL13N_work: three years ago scotland voted the SNP into the scottish parliament with a majority government | 15:41 |
| covox | the SNP's primary electoral platform is that of independence | 15:42 |
| covox | in 2012 they negotiated with the UK to hold a referendum | 15:42 |
| AL13N_work | aah | 15:43 |
| AL13N_work | but it's a ref in scotland alone? | 15:43 |
| covox | yes | 15:43 |
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| AL13N_work | why would they even need to negotiate it? | 15:43 |
| covox | because otherwise the result would have not been binding | 15:43 |
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| AL13N_work | covox: you mean binding in the UK | 15:43 |
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| AL13N_work | how about splitting off with a revolution, a manu militari? | 15:44 |
| AL13N_work | wouldn't that be quicker? | 15:44 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah but its also unnecessary | 15:44 |
| covox | I wouldn't say so | 15:44 |
| AL13N_work | covox: you mean england is stronger than scotland? | 15:45 |
| r0kk3rz | but if the english werent prepared to play ball, and the polls were more like 80/20 | 15:45 |
| r0kk3rz | then maybe | 15:45 |
| AL13N_work | i mean, it's not like the welsh or ireland is gonna come helping england? | 15:45 |
| covox | the international outcry would be enormous | 15:46 |
| AL13N_work | is there a reason why some scots don't like independance? | 15:46 |
| r0kk3rz | because its not that bad | 15:46 |
| AL13N_work | covox: is it really? i'm thinking of the wars in northern ireland going on for ages... | 15:46 |
| AL13N_work | what's the disadvantages of being independant? | 15:47 |
| r0kk3rz | its not like scotland is particularly oppressed by the english | 15:47 |
| covox | AL13N_work: uncertainty mostly | 15:47 |
| AL13N_work | uncertainty of what? | 15:47 |
| AL13N_work | economy? | 15:47 |
| covox | mostly that | 15:47 |
| covox | there are a lot of people still with the mistaken impression that scotland is poor and unable to walk on its own without westminster | 15:48 |
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| covox | despite having low unemployment, a highly-educated population and an embarrasment of natural resources | 15:48 |
| AL13N_work | embarrasment? | 15:49 |
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| covox | for the most part, the no campaign (known internally as "project fear") has basically been about scaremongering | 15:50 |
| covox | AL13N_work: a shitload | 15:50 |
| AL13N_work | oh | 15:50 |
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| AL13N_work | i guess it's a win for england to have scotland (due to resources) | 15:51 |
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| AL13N_work | but if scotland is independant, i can guess that norhtern ireland may want to opt-out too | 15:51 |
| covox | oh yes | 15:51 |
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| AL13N_work | the welsh maybe, but they probably wouldn't care much | 15:51 |
| r0kk3rz | thats a whole different story | 15:51 |
| covox | interestingly the SNP wanted the referendup to include the option of maximum devolution (i.e. stay in the UK, full control over spending and social policy) | 15:52 |
| covox | but the prime minister vetoed that and demanded a yes or no vote | 15:52 |
| AL13N_work | actually, if they would hold a referendum to dismantle the union and have 4 separate countries wouldn't there be a majority vote anyway? | 15:52 |
| Shihua_ | when I send messages.my jolla blank screen.and the light of breath | 15:53 |
| covox | which was great when no had a nice big lead, but now the lead has disappeared and westminster is shitting bricks | 15:53 |
| Shihua_ | will twinkle | 15:53 |
| AL13N_work | well, that's the reason it was vetoed of course... | 15:54 |
| r0kk3rz | i think we'll see a no vote anyway | 15:55 |
| r0kk3rz | undecideds always go for the status quo | 15:55 |
| covox | it's all in the hands of the undecided voters | 15:55 |
| Shihua_ | Jolla have many bugs. | 15:56 |
| Shihua_ | make me trouble | 15:56 |
| Shihua_ | why will it blank screen?just i send messages. | 15:57 |
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| coderus | AL13N_work: migrating to dconf from QSettings is a bit complicated and i can't check all cases myself ;) | 15:59 |
| AL13N_work | coderus: of course :-) | 16:00 |
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| AL13N_work | r0kk3rz: covox: i thought undecided people don't vote | 16:00 |
| covox | AL13N_work: voter enrollment for this referendum is 97% | 16:01 |
| covox | with an expectation of >90% turning up | 16:01 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe, i'm so used to voting being compulsary i forget the rest of the world doesnt do that | 16:01 |
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| covox | r0kk3rz: I think we're lucky to have compulsory voting... it kinda forces you to confront the issues even if you don't feel engaged with politics | 16:02 |
| AL13N_work | it's compulsary here too | 16:02 |
| AL13N_work | i just vote invalid | 16:02 |
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| r0kk3rz | but i would still think that undecideds will still vote no | 16:03 |
| r0kk3rz | if you're not convinced by the yes case, you're not going to want to let it happen just because you didnt vote | 16:03 |
| AL13N_work | r0kk3rz: shouldn't there be an option "i don't care either way" ? | 16:03 |
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| AL13N_work | then if yes > no, then there's no problem | 16:04 |
| covox | r0kk3rz: the yes campaign have a very good ground team | 16:05 |
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| covox | it's amazing that they've got this far at all, every mainstream media outlet in the UK doesn't support independence | 16:06 |
| AL13N_work | also, i don't understand why elections always need to have this big campagining thing | 16:06 |
| r0kk3rz | i'm surprised they didnt change the question to "do you want scotland to stay in the uk" | 16:06 |
| covox | all the scottish newspapers save one don't support independence | 16:06 |
| r0kk3rz | so the independants would be the no case | 16:07 |
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| covox | r0kk3rz: this is what good negotiating gets you :) | 16:07 |
| covox | but really it makes sense, the vote is about independence not "no independence" | 16:08 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i know | 16:09 |
| r0kk3rz | but its easier to be positive about a yes case than a no case | 16:09 |
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| phdeswer | r0kk3rz: depends... HIV positive? | 16:15 |
| * phdeswer does not like this inwards me and my neighbours thing going on lately. Scotland, Flanders, Catalonia, ... | 16:16 | |
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| Sidde | soon we in Norrland (north land) can be independent from sweden and keep all the money we give up to stockholm | 16:17 |
| Sidde | ;) | 16:18 |
| phdeswer | Sidde: something like that ;) As long as you can find something in history that makes sense... | 16:19 |
| * phdeswer looks at creating a mess in Germany and Poland | 16:19 | |
| phdeswer | Let's bring Prussia back! ;) | 16:19 |
| Sidde | phdeswer: we weren't even taxed by the swedish king until the 1600 | 16:19 |
| Sidde | this was "no mans land" until the found a silver mine and the king clamed everything | 16:20 |
| phdeswer | Sounds like it is still going on.. Petrol and antartic? | 16:21 |
| Sidde | the north pole too | 16:21 |
| Sidde | is it norway, denmark or russia that owns the pole and the oil at the bottom... | 16:21 |
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| phdeswer | We can solve that.... We create a new Norway, Denmark & Sweden conflict. Then get the Russians distracted with bringing back some Mongol hordes and Finland gets the pole and the oil :) | 16:24 |
| r0kk3rz | phdeswer: the whole EU thing makes it easier for these areas to gain more power from independence, but still remain part of the whole | 16:24 |
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| Nicd- | phdeswer: HIV aladeen? | 16:34 |
| phdeswer | Nicd-: just an example where some positive result might not really be what you want | 16:34 |
| Nicd- | I guess you missed the reference :) | 16:35 |
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| AL13N | phdeswer: tbh, flanders independance is not happening | 17:18 |
| AL13N | flanders is rich and it will take too much resources to be seperate | 17:18 |
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| lars_ | I switch my sim card to another carrier, and suddenly LTE is not working anymore. It continues to show the "Problem with connection" like its in a loop, switching to 3G, "fixes" it. The LTE connection have worked with this carrier earlier. Is there some way to debug, whats happening ? | 18:38 |
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| pXd | arnbak: just a wild guess, but have you checked the apn-settings? | 18:50 |
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| pXd | ah, nvm - i didn't realize that it worked earlier with that carrier. | 18:55 |
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| arnbak | pXd: that could be | 19:00 |
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| arnbak | Just wondering how I can see the connection attempt info | 19:03 |
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| pXd | arnbak: sailfish uses systemd's journald, btw - you can access the log-journal with "su-devel journalctl" (via ssh or terminal). | 20:06 |
| pXd | arnbak: maybe you can find some useful informations there. | 20:06 |
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| pXd | "su-devel journalctl -f" is even more convinient because it shows the most recent entries and print out constantly new entries. | 20:08 |
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| meklu | su-devel? | 20:10 |
| meklu | do you mean devel-su? | 20:10 |
| meklu | didn't know about the -f flag, that's cool | 20:10 |
| pXd | su-devel or devel-su - both seem to work ;) | 20:11 |
| pXd | https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/004163.html - " It's available as su-devel as well to make it | 20:13 |
| pXd | better discoverable for people without MeeGo background. | 20:13 |
| pXd | " | 20:13 |
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| meklu | oh, neat | 20:24 |
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| pXd | totally ;) | 20:27 |
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| AL13N | wow, this is a good movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3448226/ i had expected some dumb killing spree movie, but this guy actually has some good points | 20:52 |
| AL13N | there should be a RL dude like this | 20:53 |
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| pXd | AL13N: well, good to know. especially because it's an uwe boll production. ;) for me that usually drops all my expectations to 0. | 21:04 |
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| bennypr0fane | hello, I want to install patchmanager, but I'm not sure how to make the backup. Is this code for creating a backup or for restoring it? cd /opt/patchmanager/backups/usr/share/lipstick-jolla-home-qt5/qml/ | 21:08 |
| bennypr0fane | cp -rf * /usr/share/lipstick-jolla-home-qt5/qml/ | 21:08 |
| pXd | it copies everything what is in/under /opt/patchmanager/backups/usr/share/lipstick-jolla-home-qt5/qml/ to /usr/share/lipstick-jolla-home-qt5/qml/ - so i would say it's for restoring it. | 21:12 |
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| bennypr0fane | pXd: well then how do I create one? | 21:13 |
| bennypr0fane | also, in the app itself ,it says that backup is corrupt...? | 21:14 |
| bennypr0fane | kinda doesn't make sense to me | 21:14 |
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| pXd | bennypr0fane: sorry, better ask someone else. i'm a jolla-user for one week and i have no clue when it comes to the patchmanager you are talking about. ;) | 21:19 |
| bennypr0fane | alright. maybe someone else in here? | 21:20 |
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| stephg | bennypr0fane: where did you get that first copy command from? | 21:26 |
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| bennypr0fane | stephg, I got it from the patchmanager thread on tmo http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92935 | 22:09 |
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| stephg | so yeah I'm with pXd, that's the restoration | 22:09 |
| stephg | so you have choices for restoration (provided patchmanager doesn't clobber anything in the package management framework) | 22:10 |
| stephg | i) copy files back (as they suggest) or ii) reinstall RPMs | 22:10 |
| stephg | there are probably a handful of cases where the latter won't work depending on how QML things get included or whatever | 22:11 |
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| bennypr0fane | stephg thanks, but that brings me back to my previous question: hwo do I create that backup in the first place? | 23:30 |
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