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| Sail0r | hm http://blogs.microsoft.com/firehose/2014/09/16/new-universal-mobile-keyboard-works-with-windows-ios-and-android-mobile-devices/ | 07:06 |
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| kimmoli | that switch is lacking one position dough | 07:16 |
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| kimmoli | or Logitech K810 | 07:25 |
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| dunp | manual switch :D | 07:28 |
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| Teme | oh man, that "chiclet" style of keyboard is horrible | 07:37 |
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| Teme | that there's actual empty space instead of just lowered edges on the keys | 07:37 |
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| tadzik | honestly, I prefer them to the other ones | 08:12 |
| tadzik | one of the reasons why I bought a T430 | 08:12 |
| tadzik | so much easier to get rid of hair and dust | 08:12 |
| Teme | i just don't like the feel of it at all | 08:14 |
| Teme | and sometimes it's layed out so that the spacing is not the standard | 08:15 |
| Teme | ughh | 08:15 |
| Teme | so when you are touchtyping it's a constant struggle | 08:15 |
| Teme | sort of like when people walk familiar stairs and if you misplace a step even just by a couple of millimeters they will notice it | 08:16 |
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| tadzik | hmm, I don't feel any difference at all, frankly | 08:25 |
| tadzik | right now I'm typing on an MX blue WASD, and, oh the blasphemy, there is also empty space between keys (!), and both keys get pressed if I stick my finger in there. Just like in that chicken thinkpad keyboad | 08:26 |
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| Teme | i doubt your keycaps are straight like on those chiclets | 08:30 |
| Teme | i guess that's what makes the feel different | 08:30 |
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| Teme | i dunno if a chiclet keyboard with normal caps (dented in the middle) would be basically the same | 08:32 |
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| tadzik | didn't pay much attention to how dented my keycaps are, honestly. I also don't pay attention to whether my ethernet cable is gold plated to not lose some tones when listening to digital music, and I've seen people for whom it makes a crucial difference, supposedly ;) | 08:36 |
| tadzik | it may be that as a guitarist and heavy-handed pianist I don't have any feels left in my fingertips | 08:37 |
| Teme | tadzik: but the difference in keys is for sure measurable and can be tested :D | 08:45 |
| Teme | there is no placebo in that | 08:45 |
| Teme | same goes for different switch types | 08:45 |
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| tadzik | for switch types I agree, but speaking of "typing comfort" I still think that as much as people would like there to be science about it, it's still purely personal preference | 09:01 |
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| tadzik | ("typing comfort" as in keycap shape or chicken vs non-chicken keyboards) | 09:02 |
| Teme | yeah i'm not arguing that one or the other is better | 09:02 |
| Teme | but it's about what you are used to | 09:02 |
| tadzik | ah, I misunderstood then :) | 09:02 |
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| Teme | i mean you can do all sorts of unholy things to a keyboard like mangle to 3x2, have a small enter (damn yankees), switch the fn and ctrl etc and it would make no difference to anyone who's not used a keyboard before :) | 09:09 |
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| Teme | but if you've typed on a Model M and successors, you are pretty much screwed with anything different at least until you've typed for several hours :) | 09:09 |
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| Teme | aaand i was supposed to say "mangle the home-key cluster to 3x2"... like this http://xahlee.info/kbd/ms_keyboard/i/wnm_keyboard_home_cluster2.jpg :| | 09:12 |
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| r0kk3rz | ah the Model M, the only keyboard good for killing zombies both in an out of computer games | 09:18 |
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| Teme | :D | 09:23 |
| Teme | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_M_keyboard#mediaviewer/File:IBM_model_M2_for_Sweden_and_Finland.jpg this is what a keyboard should look like ;) | 09:24 |
| meklu | pretty | 09:24 |
| r0kk3rz | aus version for me, but I get what you mean | 09:25 |
| r0kk3rz | ive thought about getting a das keyboard, but spending $200 on a keyboard is a bit much | 09:25 |
| meklu | my keyboard cost ~180€ a year or so ago | 09:26 |
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| meklu | a topre realforce ub105 or some such | 09:26 |
| Teme | i got one drom Ducky at 130€... really satisfied | 09:26 |
| meklu | kind of sucks that I've only seen 6KRO | 09:27 |
| Nicd- | I have one of these with a DIN cable, though without the windows buttons: http://www.sweclockers.com/image/gallery/2010/07/13/P1090087.jpg?t=original&k=ed1cfd1a | 09:27 |
| meklu | Ducky has NKRO over USB, right? | 09:27 |
| meklu | that looks... interesting | 09:27 |
| Teme | meklu: you can toggle it with a switch at least on my model | 09:27 |
| Teme | there are also dips for disabling win-keys, caps lock etc | 09:28 |
| meklu | disabling win-keys sounds silly | 09:28 |
| meklu | why would I get rid of my main modifier and my compose key? | 09:28 |
| Nicd- | on mine they just don't exist | 09:28 |
| meklu | rest in rip | 09:29 |
| Nicd- | found a DIN -> PS/2 adapter for it and bought an active PS/2 -> USB adapter from dealextreme so I can use it as my coding keyboard | 09:29 |
| Teme | meklu: well they are there, i am not sure of the use case (what problem could they cause outside of Win-environments?) | 09:30 |
| Teme | also you can switch them to be alts with another switch | 09:30 |
| Teme | anyways, Ducky's are okay at least for the price they are at | 09:31 |
| Nicd- | disabling windows keys is useful for gaming sometimes | 09:31 |
| Teme | yes, although i hope nobody disables them from hardware every time they start up a game :d | 09:31 |
| jusa_ | win-keys are great, nothing better than one more modifier for xmonad etc.. | 09:31 |
| meklu | it's tough to accidentally hit them anyway | 09:32 |
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| Nicd- | used to happen all the time when we were kids, two people playing on the same keyboard | 09:33 |
| Teme | actually not while playing an rts where ctrl and alt are used a lot | 09:33 |
| Nicd- | so we just broke out the keys | 09:33 |
| Teme | reminds you to disable it from settings the first time you go to the desktop and lose the match because of that :) | 09:33 |
| Teme | at least on SC2 there is the setting but they are enabled by default | 09:34 |
| Teme | caps lock is also very interesting - i have it always disabled from software | 09:35 |
| tadzik | it makes a good ctrl | 09:35 |
| Teme | but once i broke caps lock off a keyboard and tried temporarily gaming without it... just impossible :d | 09:35 |
| tadzik | hehe, I crouch with shift : | 09:35 |
| Teme | since switching my pinkie between tab and shift is kind of dependent on their being a surface on the same level between them | 09:36 |
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| Teme | if i'm typing, i use my ring finger for tab | 09:36 |
| Teme | but on Dota, 1234 and QWER are used so pinky goes for both tab and shift | 09:37 |
| Teme | muscle memory is a weird thing :P | 09:37 |
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| topi` | I've got a brand new device - I just upgraded from 1.0.0.5 -> 1.0.2.5 but now the Jolla Store app crashes no matter what. | 09:57 |
| topi` | any ideas how to proceed? | 09:57 |
| topi` | I think it's the Store app who is responsible for downloading any software updates, so it's crucial that it would not crash... | 09:57 |
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| SK_work | topi`: can you get a dev mode ? | 09:59 |
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| r0kk3rz | you also need the store to work for dev mode to enable | 10:03 |
| r0kk3rz | i would try resetting to factory and giving it another go | 10:04 |
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| r0kk3rz | otherwise contact care, i'm sure they can help you out | 10:06 |
| topi` | SK_work: probably, is there a FAQ/tutorial on how to enter Dev mode? | 10:06 |
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| topi` | r0kk3rz: I already did one factory reset, and after that I installed 1.0.2.5 | 10:07 |
| r0kk3rz | dev mode is enabled though the settings menu | 10:07 |
| topi` | is there something that is changed when entering dev mode? like bootloader settings, etc | 10:08 |
| r0kk3rz | nah, it allows you to ssh into the phone and installs terminal | 10:08 |
| topi` | ok, great | 10:08 |
| r0kk3rz | sets devel-su password | 10:08 |
| topi` | how do I launch the Jolla Store from command line? | 10:09 |
| r0kk3rz | but, i would say contact care before going further | 10:09 |
| r0kk3rz | i'm sure they would be interested to know whats broken from the update | 10:09 |
| topi` | what, suddenly 1.0.18 is available | 10:09 |
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| r0kk3rz | that is the latest update | 10:10 |
| topi` | r0kk3rz: indeed, I found it odd that right after sw update, something is broken that badly | 10:10 |
| r0kk3rz | thats a very old version though | 10:10 |
| r0kk3rz | which might actually be the problem | 10:10 |
| topi` | I did have some stumbles in upgrading from 1.0.0.5 > 1.0.2.5 in the beginning - after the update the phone would not boot. Nothing showed on screen, but it was "on" somehow, since pressing Power for a while turned on the RED led (and it shut down) | 10:11 |
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| topi` | at that point I did the telnet trick and factory reset, and then retried the upgrade, and then it worked | 10:11 |
| r0kk3rz | try get it on the latest | 10:11 |
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| topi` | I guess the origin of the problems is that I had installed some stuff from Store before i upgraded to 1.0.2.5 | 10:12 |
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| topi` | anyway, this is a brand new phone, I was surprised to find out it had such old software on it | 10:12 |
| r0kk3rz | cant remember what was on mine when i got it | 10:13 |
| r0kk3rz | updated to update 7 straight away | 10:13 |
| topi` | according to the Jolla blogs, the 1.0.0.5 was released in November 2013 | 10:13 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah thats like, the original release | 10:13 |
| tadzik | mine had something absurdly old, but it updated straight to .7.16 or something | 10:13 |
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| topi` | how can you control which version to update to? I didn't get to choose, it just sent me the 1.0.2.5 (from March 2014) | 10:13 |
| r0kk3rz | you cant | 10:13 |
| topi` | yeah, I was surprised that the version it offered was not very new. | 10:14 |
| r0kk3rz | but maybe you also cant jump straight from 0.5 to 18 | 10:14 |
| r0kk3rz | anyway, 1.0.8.19 is the latest, keep updating until you get there | 10:15 |
| topi` | I can't get it to download anything. If I choose "update" from About menu, it just spins eternally | 10:16 |
| topi` | I believe this is because the Store app crashes. | 10:16 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i recon thats likely | 10:16 |
| r0kk3rz | care will be able to help you | 10:16 |
| topi` | it would be interesting to see some logs what's happening | 10:17 |
| r0kk3rz | actually, you did set up a Jolla account didnt you? | 10:18 |
| r0kk3rz | and that is still in the accounts menu? | 10:18 |
| topi` | yeah, I set up a Jolla account successfully | 10:19 |
| topi` | funny, the Jolla>Support>Upgrading guide says: "If your current SailfishOS is one of 0.99.5.11, 1.0.0.5 or 1.0.1.10, please check chapter EXCEPTION in the end of this page." | 10:20 |
| topi` | should have seen that! | 10:20 |
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| Nicd- | I hope you didn't touch dev updates in the settings... | 10:20 |
| veskuh | topi`, Is the device clock correct? Having it off by even 1 minute may cause update to fail | 10:22 |
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| topi` | veskuh: it surely cannot cause the App store to crash right at startup? | 10:23 |
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| topi` | after Factory Reset my device is now back to 1.0.0.5 (Kaajanlampi) | 10:25 |
| topi` | grr | 10:25 |
| topi` | this is sad, can any phone retailer reflash the thing for me? | 10:25 |
| Nicd- | topi`: did you touch dev updates in the settings? | 10:25 |
| topi` | no, no dev stuff | 10:26 |
| topi` | just received calls or text messages :) | 10:26 |
| SK_work | topi`: can you enable dev mode ? | 10:26 |
| Nicd- | good | 10:26 |
| Nicd- | don't touch the dev updates | 10:26 |
| topi` | it seems that the 1.0.0.5 version of Update UI does not handle any error codes resulting from wrong or missing Jolla account... | 10:28 |
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| topi` | damn, they really rushed that one out... | 10:29 |
| Nicd- | were your account details wrong? | 10:29 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah store and updates wont work without an active jolla account. I made that mistake when I first got mine | 10:32 |
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| mcfrisk | is triggering kernel oom-killer in jolla common problem? noticed the gui responding slowly few days ago and dmesg showed that memory & swap were full and oom-killer was triggered. SW was really sluggish since then until a new reboot. top did not show huge memory leakers though, maybe it hides some root user processes, or kernel itself is leaking. log at https://mcfrisk.kapsi.fi/temp/jolla_oom.txt | 11:03 |
| Nicd- | it happens for me too | 11:04 |
| Nicd- | once I reach around 20 days uptime, my mem and swap is full and apps will start to be killed if I use the browser for example | 11:04 |
| Nicd- | I just reboot at that point | 11:04 |
| mcfrisk | then why doesn't jolla have a GUI handler for OOM and tell user to reboot? | 11:04 |
| mcfrisk | Nicd-: so it's quite easy to reproduce then, I'd say. Just use jolla without booting it. I also don't use fancy apps or games. Just email, camera, gallery, music player and browser. | 11:06 |
| Nicd- | because nobody made one | 11:06 |
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| mcfrisk | but it's weird that no huge memory abusers where listed by top. | 11:08 |
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| Nicd- | yeah | 11:16 |
| Nicd- | I usually kill messageserver5 and it helps for a while | 11:16 |
| Nicd- | after that lipstick uses the most memory, I hope that is improved with the Qt 5.2 update | 11:18 |
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| r0kk3rz | its not a huge burden to reboot the jolla anyway, so much quicker than any android phone ive seen | 11:20 |
| mcfrisk | yes, but the problem is to detect when to reboot. | 11:20 |
| mcfrisk | I saw GUI getting sluggish and touch reactions getting weird and jerky with camera and gallery. | 11:23 |
| r0kk3rz | i think theres a thread on TJC about it | 11:24 |
| r0kk3rz | put whatever you find up on there | 11:24 |
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| meklu | the reboot takes way too long imo | 11:35 |
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| meklu | even if it's faster than android phones in that regard, it's still pretty slow | 11:35 |
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| meklu | I could pretty much power on and turn off my desktop in the time it takes to boot | 11:36 |
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| tadzik | question: is there a way to reach all 10 apps if you open so many at the same time? | 11:47 |
| Nicd- | tadzik: no, extra apps will be hidden until you close some of them afaik | 11:48 |
| tadzik | I showed my jolla to a friend and some QA instincts arose in him | 11:49 |
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| meklu | it would be kind of neat if that were to be paginated somehow | 11:52 |
| meklu | then again the UI implications might suck somewhat | 11:52 |
| meklu | the 'close all' option would become a bit vague IMO | 11:52 |
| Nicd- | there is a patch for it in the patch manager I think | 11:52 |
| tadzik | funny thing is, if you longpress the screen, you can scroll through them all no problem | 11:53 |
| Nicd- | but do you often wish you could open more than 9 apps? | 11:53 |
| Nicd- | I find myself limited to 6 at most usually | 11:53 |
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| tadzik | I don't, I usually stick to 4 so they don't even resize | 11:53 |
| tadzik | I just feel uneasy with 0-1-infinity thrown out of the window :) | 11:53 |
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| topi` | "problem with store - problem upgrading" ... hmm, how do I find out why? | 12:07 |
| topi` | about product says I'm still in 1.0.0.5 | 12:08 |
| TemeV | limit to 9 wouldn't be problem if I could pin some of the app covers | 12:08 |
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| topi` | can it be a problem if the screen saver activates in the middle of Systen update download? | 12:08 |
| TemeV | then most used would always be there | 12:08 |
| Nicd- | topi`: no, that doesn't matter | 12:08 |
| r0kk3rz | topi`: is the top picture progressbar progressing at all? | 12:10 |
| r0kk3rz | if its not, it'll just sit there forever | 12:10 |
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| nadriel_ | Heh.. My notification screen is sideways. | 12:18 |
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| nadriel | And it's stuck, sideways.. : ) | 12:19 |
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| Sail0r | r0kk3rz: today for some unknown reason my pulseaudio crashed after listing to a 30min track | 12:25 |
| Sail0r | I don't know if it's related to smth in your player or not ^^ | 12:25 |
| r0kk3rz | mmmm not sure | 12:26 |
| r0kk3rz | i think theres something on TJC about long tracks, but I think they were web streams | 12:26 |
| Sail0r | http://fpaste.org/134129/09401981/ | 12:26 |
| Sail0r | totally fucked ^^ | 12:26 |
| Sail0r | [W] QGstreamerPlayerSession::processBusMessage:1223 - Error: "Configured audiosink audiosink is not working." | 12:26 |
| r0kk3rz | i can see that | 12:26 |
| Sail0r | but i don't think it's related to your player | 12:27 |
| r0kk3rz | hard to say whether its a player or a jolla bug, thanks for the headsup anyway | 12:27 |
| Sail0r | in journalctl was no indication why pulse crashed | 12:27 |
| r0kk3rz | migth be a qtmultimedia bug | 12:27 |
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| Sail0r | and for some reason the title represented in xesaM:title is off by one | 12:29 |
| Sail0r | it always points to the title of the previous song | 12:29 |
| Sail0r | but aritst and everything is the correct one | 12:30 |
| Sail0r | I try to restart the player one moment | 12:30 |
| r0kk3rz | interesting | 12:30 |
| Sail0r | hm now it's working ok again | 12:30 |
| r0kk3rz | throwing the metadata out on dbus is a big relay chain of events | 12:31 |
| r0kk3rz | so i guess that could happen | 12:31 |
| Sail0r | ok | 12:32 |
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| r0kk3rz | i should probably do some code cleanup before I leave the uk | 12:45 |
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| kimmoli | do they check it at border-control? | 13:08 |
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| topi` | I'm now updating 1.0.0.5 > 1.0.2.5 | 13:11 |
| topi` | the odd thing is, the black-and-white Sailfish logo and progress indicator only progresses to 10% or so, and then the phone seemingly reboots and a white jolla logo appears | 13:11 |
| topi` | and then the phone starts | 13:12 |
| topi` | and now it says "system update available, sailfish 1.0.2.5" | 13:12 |
| topi` | What's going on? | 13:12 |
| topi` | now it makes me re-download the whole thing... | 13:12 |
| faenil | topi`: yeah the first firmwares weren't exactly reliable on the update side of things | 13:13 |
| r0kk3rz | kimmoli: hah, they should | 13:13 |
| topi` | faenil: I wish there were a FAQ or step-by-step instructions that are confirmed to result in a recent image :/ | 13:13 |
| topi` | now, re-doing the 1.0.2.5 install... lets see | 13:14 |
| topi` | does it have any effect if I press the power button? I suppose the screen saver kicks in eventually | 13:14 |
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| Nicd- | topi`: the screen saver does not matter for the download | 13:21 |
| Nicd- | but I suggest keeping the phone connected to a charger | 13:21 |
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| topi` | the upgrade progress indicator seems to be stuck in 25% | 13:30 |
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| topi` | one possibility is that there are some read/write errors in the flash chip... but how do I find out? | 13:31 |
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| Nicd- | from dmesg or the like but you would need dev mode for that | 13:33 |
| topi` | I was adviced against enabling dev mode | 13:33 |
| topi` | is there some kind of hardware watchdog that would reset the device or is it going to be stuck forever in this "update mode"? | 13:35 |
| topi` | with the sailfish logo | 13:35 |
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| Nicd- | so it's in update mode and not moving at all? | 13:35 |
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| topi` | can anyone recommend a good headset (for listening to music) for Jolla? | 13:56 |
| topi` | Nicd-: yeah, it's still stuck in the exact same spot. I took a photo and sent a service request to jolla. | 13:56 |
| tadzik | I'm happy with Shure SRH440, apart from their cable being funky | 13:57 |
| Nicd- | topi`: yeah, connecting care is probably the best at this point | 13:57 |
| topi` | tadzik: looks nice, but I'd prefer something that I can hide in my pockets :) | 13:57 |
| clau | not exactly pocket size, but Creative Aurrvana Live!2 is pretty awesome: http://us.creative.com/p/headphones-headsets/creative-aurvana-live2 | 13:58 |
| clau | it also has a mike builtin into the cable | 13:58 |
| clau | but I'm also looking for something small | 13:59 |
| topi` | what I noticed with iPhone vs. Nokia N9 is that if you plug the same headphones to N9 that sounded good with iPhone, you'd get a slightly distorted sound | 13:59 |
| topi` | and vice versa | 13:59 |
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| clau | I think it's a different standard. I can't use the one I got with N9 on Jolla, neither on Lumia 920. | 14:02 |
| clau | The one from Lumia works with Jolla, but it's too bad for music. | 14:02 |
| jusa_ | topi`: N9 and iPhone use different pinouts | 14:02 |
| Nicd- | but different pinouts wouldn't result in "slightly distorted sound" | 14:03 |
| jusa_ | microphone and ground are switched | 14:03 |
| clau | Nicd-: it does sound very weird | 14:03 |
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| Nicd- | I think topi` is talking about normal headphones (without mic) | 14:04 |
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| Nicd- | and the sound difference is due to different DA and other circuits | 14:04 |
| clau | I see | 14:04 |
| Nicd- | probably | 14:04 |
| topi` | at least the impedances are different | 14:05 |
| topi` | dunno how it affects | 14:05 |
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| clau | on a somewhat similar note, would you say playing FLAC's is more battery friendly than MP3's? | 14:09 |
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| Nicd- | here's something: http://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?showtopic=92235 | 14:11 |
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| Nicd- | but there might be hardware support for decoding mp3 which would make it more efficient than flac | 14:12 |
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| clau | that would explain the difference between mp3 and ogg | 14:15 |
| topi` | now back in recovery business... | 14:18 |
| topi` | it seems the recovery process is dd'ing around some binary blobs, largest of them is 44 MB and there are 9 blobs | 14:19 |
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| faenil | reflashing partitions | 14:20 |
| topi` | even N9 didn't have that many partitions :) | 14:21 |
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| topi` | can't sign in jolla store with my account, this is a bad sign | 14:49 |
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| topi` | the browser loads stuff correctly, and I doublechecked my password via the web | 14:49 |
| topi` | I think it's a stupid thing that software update depends on registering into the jolla servic | 14:50 |
| topi` | it should work independently | 14:50 |
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| r0kk3rz | have you contacted care yet :P | 14:59 |
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| rigoo | Hi all, how does one write a jabber message with the jolla once the account is created? The contact list does not contain any possiblity to add a jabbber account of the other part. So how does one start the conversation? | 17:00 |
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| SK_work | rigoo: if you are successfully connected on Jabber, you should go to people app | 17:01 |
| SK_work | click the "earth globe" will show the xmpp / fb / gtalk / jabber contacts | 17:01 |
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| Timo | rigoo: I think creating a contact and filling the 'Instant Messaging' form will do. Have not tried that though. | 17:02 |
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| SK_work | clicking on them + clicking on xmpp should work | 17:02 |
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| h4PPYC4T | btw. xmpp - does anyone knows a xmpp-client for sailfish which supports OTR? | 17:12 |
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| rigoo | h4PPYC4T,Timo: In the people app there is no form/field to enter an instant message address | 17:15 |
| rigoo | must the phone be in developer mode? | 17:16 |
| Timo | No. Or at least it shouldn't make a difference. | 17:16 |
| Timo | Doesn't SK_work's solution work? | 17:16 |
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| rigoo | Timo: no, the earth just opens the browser | 17:26 |
| rigoo | no xmpp nowhere | 17:26 |
| rigoo | no way in the xmpp account to set it online | 17:26 |
| rigoo | so it is offline | 17:26 |
| h4PPYC4T | rigoo: https://together.jolla.com/question/30470/how-to-use-the-xmpp-implementation/ - this might answer your question. look at the the 3rd comment of the answer. | 17:27 |
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| r0kk3rz | rigoo: not the earth on the app launcher, the earth in the people app | 17:32 |
| r0kk3rz | confusing i know | 17:32 |
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| h4PPYC4T | i did just setup a xmpp-account on my device to test it and i can confirm what r0kk3rz said. the xmpp-contacts which are online are listed under the globe-icon of the people-app. | 17:43 |
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| h4PPYC4T | (the globe-icon is the first icon on the "wall of letters" in the people-app) | 17:45 |
| rigoo | ha! | 17:47 |
| rigoo | thanks | 17:47 |
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| h4PPYC4T | the contacts are only listed there if your online-status is NOT set to offline. you can change your online-status on the pulley-menu of the notification/events screen. | 17:50 |
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| rigoo | h4PPYC4T: I got the jabber accounts working on desktop, but when I try to set the presence in notifications to online, it blinks and remains offline | 18:51 |
| rigoo | the tip said, "then allowed apps to use my XMPP" | 18:51 |
| rigoo | I haven't found where I could do that | 18:51 |
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| h4PPYC4T | rigoo: hmm, strange when i tried it earlier it worked out of the box. there were no further actions needed. | 19:05 |
| Nicd- | Glowing Bear + Android Opera = WeeChat on Jolla: https://plus.google.com/110693235602405640560/posts/PyeUp9zVUM3 | 19:07 |
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| h4PPYC4T | rigoo: just a wild guess; maybe there is something wrong with the ssl-certificate of the server you want to connect to (and hence the connection can't be established)? in the xmpp-account-settings there is a checkbox "ignore ssl errors" (or similar -> my jolla is set to german), you could try to "enable" that option. | 19:09 |
| h4PPYC4T | also worth a try: if you logged with that jabber-account elsewhere atm (e.g. on your pc), log-off there and try to connect again via your jolla. | 19:11 |
| h4PPYC4T | +are | 19:11 |
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| rigoo | h4PPYC4T: yes, found it on TMO | 19:17 |
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| rigoo | h4PPYC4T: definitely SSL, but can't fix this tonight | 19:33 |
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| stephg | love how double-tap works even when the device is charging 'only' | 20:39 |
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| M4rtinK | well, it is most probably handled at hardware level and manifests as an interrupt | 21:12 |
| M4rtinK | I remember someone saying the N900 accelerometer might be able to do the same | 21:13 |
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| h4PPYC4T | M4rtinK: using the accelerometer alone might create a lot of unwanted wakeups/unlocks. ;) | 21:24 |
| M4rtinK | h4PPYC4T: that why I say it is probably handled on the hardware level :) | 21:24 |
| h4PPYC4T | i love that feature as well, btw - i have my jolla for 6 days now and i "caught" myself while double-tapping other touch-devices as well to wake them up ;) | 21:25 |
| h4PPYC4T | M4rtinK: ah :) | 21:25 |
| M4rtinK | eq. the accelerometer is powered on and does the detection itself and only sends the interrupt to the application processor once an even is detected | 21:25 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, I have the same problems :) | 21:25 |
| M4rtinK | combine that with the swipe-up-to-unlock from BB10 and you have a nice mess :D | 21:26 |
| h4PPYC4T | ^^ | 21:29 |
| h4PPYC4T | also the gesture to send the phone "to sleep" (or exit applications) via a top-down-swipe is very cool. | 21:31 |
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| M4rtinK | yeah | 21:41 |
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