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| Kiranos | any news on new firmware? | 06:33 |
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| Kiranos | or "monthly" is that in the past from now on after the summer vacation? | 06:33 |
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| tadzik | it's not even the middle of september yet | 06:46 |
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| Kiranos | it was a question not that I know the answer to be no :P | 06:58 |
| Kiranos | might have sounded negative though :;) | 06:58 |
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| stephg | morning | 07:12 |
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| tadzik | hmm, I have the volume bar stuck on my screen, for the last couple of hours | 09:30 |
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| stephg | tadzik: on a jolla? | 10:08 |
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| tadzik | stephg: that's right | 10:11 |
| tadzik | I "fixed" it by rebooting | 10:11 |
| tbr | killing lipstick should be enough | 10:11 |
| tadzik | yeah, that probably would've worked | 10:12 |
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| stephg | had it once but only on an n4, couple of other folks complained about it recently | 10:31 |
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| Nicd- | nnnooooooo mitakuuluu busyloop | 11:18 |
| Nicd- | you have arrived again | 11:18 |
| tbr | kill it with fire, or -9 | 11:19 |
| Nicd- | killing it is not the problem | 11:19 |
| Nicd- | using it is :/ | 11:19 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah its still lurking around | 11:28 |
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| r0kk3rz | i could almost make it happen on command | 11:28 |
| meklu | I just noticed my phone had rebooted again | 11:29 |
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| nadriel | What's new in Jolla front? | 11:45 |
| nadriel | I've been underground for whole summer.. | 11:45 |
| nadriel | Literally in a cave.. | 11:46 |
| Nicd- | nadriel: Qt 5.2 in next update! | 11:46 |
| meklu | 5.4 looked somewhat intriguing | 11:47 |
| meklu | from the very little I've read about it | 11:47 |
| nadriel | Awesome! | 11:47 |
| flux | has there been any mentions when we might expect for the next update? | 11:47 |
| nadriel | This month? | 11:48 |
| AL13N_work | sometime this month, i guess | 11:48 |
| r0kk3rz | should be soon, normally they release them 10-20 of the month | 11:48 |
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| flux | past performance is not a promise of the future 8-) | 11:48 |
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| Scelt | updateupdateupdate | 11:49 |
| r0kk3rz | this is true, but be patient :P | 11:50 |
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| nadriel | Who needs patience when there's a promise for new shiny things? | 11:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | well qt 5.2 should make developing apps easier | 11:54 |
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| flux | easier how? | 12:10 |
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| meklu | well, there's the geolocation api, right? | 12:11 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah qtpositioning should be included in that | 12:12 |
| stuki | 14:01 < nazanin> mike: tell Terhi! | 12:12 |
| stuki | 14:04 < mike> nazanin: thanks | 12:12 |
| stuki | 14:05 < nazanin> mike: np :) | 12:12 |
| stuki | 14:14 < jukkajunk> mruk: for Google and FB: rbttstr@gmail.com / tester101 | 12:12 |
| stuki | 14:01 < nazanin> mike: tell Terhi! | 12:12 |
| stuki | 14:04 < mike> nazanin: thanks | 12:12 |
| stuki | 14:05 < nazanin> mike: np :) | 12:12 |
| stuki | 14:14 < jukkajunk> mruk: for Google and FB: rbttstr@gmail.com / tester101 | 12:12 |
| stuki | 14:01 < nazanin> mike: tell Terhi! | 12:13 |
| stuki | 14:04 < mike> nazanin: thanks | 12:13 |
| stuki | 14:05 < nazanin> mike: np :) | 12:13 |
| stuki | 14:14 < jukkajunk> mruk: for Google and FB: rbttstr@gmail.com / tester101 | 12:13 |
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| r0kk3rz | it probably wont be allowed in harbour though | 12:13 |
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| meklu | what the... | 13:00 |
| meklu | it just ran out of battery | 13:00 |
| meklu | it was over 60% just an hour ago | 13:00 |
| meklu | I didn't even have any applications open | 13:00 |
| meklu | oh | 13:01 |
| meklu | and now it's saying it's 60% | 13:01 |
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| meklu | it had the courtesy of informing me this time though | 13:02 |
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| flux | lo, the gods of sailfish have granted you an almost full battery when you had none, praise the lord? | 13:02 |
| meklu | I mean, it started beeping and when I looked at it it said it had 2% battery left | 13:03 |
| meklu | and said it was shutting down | 13:03 |
| meklu | probably just a battery contact issue then? | 13:03 |
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| meklu | iunno | 13:03 |
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| meklu | I did however try and treat it with the blue end of a red/blue eraser | 13:04 |
| meklu | a few days ago | 13:04 |
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| tadzik | wow, does your jolla beep when it's low on battery? | 13:09 |
| Shinryuu | isn't that normal until you disable the feature? | 13:19 |
| Shinryuu | I've also had some stuck numbers in battery level notification | 13:20 |
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| Stskeeps | reminder, community meeting in an hour | 14:02 |
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| ahjolinna | hmm: http://www.di.se/artiklar/2014/9/5/veteranen-nokia-borjar-snart-gora-telefoner-igen/ | 14:40 |
| ahjolinna | "... jag tror att Jolla är för mycket mainstream. Jolla är ingen bra produkt." - loosely translated: "... I believe that Jolla is too mainstream. Jolla is not a good product." I've never touched a Jolla device but that article is just a bunch of vague guesses with little facts to back it up. Not even an explanation to why Jolla is a bad product. | 14:40 |
| ahjolinna | ...or even an explanation as to what is wrong with the similarities between iOS and Android. | 14:40 |
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| Stskeeps | well, uninformed articles and taken out of context things.. :P | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | my bet is that new nokia will be in lines with stuff like http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/03/baidu-eye-chopsticks/ .. and not the chopsticks | 14:42 |
| cb400f | "bad PR, is better than no PR" ;-) | 14:43 |
| ahjolinna | I think if Jolla was a swedish company they would praise it | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | the meatballphone? | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 14:43 |
| cb400f | but apparently Jolla is too mainstream to be acquired by Nokia ;-) ... of course sailfishos is much more mainstream than ms windows phone >:-) | 14:43 |
| RaYmAn | Stskeeps: and if you open it up, Surströmming comes out? ;) | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | RaYmAn: ah, lovely battery acid.. | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:44 |
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| ahjolinna | I would like to hear this guys thoughts on Jolla/sailfishOS ...here is fun review of wp8.1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3AgcltUM9s | 14:47 |
| ahjolinna | maybe Jolla phone 2 would be better | 14:48 |
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| cb400f | iirc Nokia can't use the Nokia brand for mobile phones for the next 5 years, as part of the deal with MS | 14:48 |
| ahjolinna | I thought is was 10y | 14:49 |
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| cb400f | so, maybe they need the Jolla brand if they really want to make smartphones again | 14:49 |
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| sledges | PSA: SailfishOSS community discussion @ #mer-meeting , 15 UTC (in few minutes) | 14:52 |
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| Shinryuu | :P | 15:36 |
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| pdanek | Hey guys, need a technical advisory here. | 15:53 |
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| pdanek | Easiest way to watch Apple Live Event on Linux? :D | 15:53 |
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| Stskeeps | pdanek: engadget live blog? | 15:57 |
| pdanek | I want to watch. | 15:57 |
| pdanek | Full video. | 15:57 |
| minimec | pdanek: Apple Event: --> http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/1030/jblive/ # With nasty comments of the community... | 15:59 |
| pdanek | thx | 16:01 |
| TMavica | can watch in live ? | 16:02 |
| TMavica | live streaming | 16:02 |
| TMavica | coderus: here? | 16:03 |
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| coderus | TMavica: here | 16:27 |
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| TMavica | hv u got the msg from ios? | 16:32 |
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| coderus | TMavica: if you sent it i'll receive it | 16:35 |
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| coderus | not able to do it now :) | 16:35 |
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| TMavica | no ios device | 16:52 |
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| attah | plot twist: Apple switches to Sailfish | 17:00 |
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| TMavica | livestream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rnt9_AGbR_0 | 17:02 |
| Sail0r | Live Streaming is not available in your country due to rights issues. | 17:03 |
| Sail0r | lol | 17:03 |
| TMavica | lol.. | 17:03 |
| attah | nice.. the proper one was more than a little cpu-hungry | 17:03 |
| TMavica | i no ios device, need to found other channel.. | 17:04 |
| TMavica | any other link? | 17:04 |
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| attah | fwiw the proper stream hasn't started either | 17:09 |
| attah | or maybe it just did.. | 17:09 |
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| attah | sheesh.. apparently it's live for some ppl, just not me.. heck i even have a mac | 17:17 |
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| javispedro | give up on the apple.com stream | 17:18 |
| RaYmAn | Live blogs seems to cover the important bits tbh | 17:18 |
| attah | oh well.. until it runs sailfish i'm not going to get one anyway | 17:19 |
| peppelakappa | +1 | 17:19 |
| TMavica | super lag.. | 17:19 |
| kimmoli | but... then apple invented sailfish... | 17:19 |
| attah | curved glass.. wonder where i have seen that before... | 17:20 |
| TMavica | iphone 6 plus can have a big profit | 17:20 |
| TMavica | buy and sell | 17:20 |
| kimmoli | performance curves , compared to _original_ ipohne | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | bored so far.. | 17:21 |
| kimmoli | smells like--- sales figures | 17:21 |
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| javispedro | how could they mess up the stream so good | 17:21 |
| Morpog_PC | I don't like the design of those devices at all | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: well at least they don't have furry lens caps | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, not cool | 17:22 |
| javispedro | lack of furry lens is debatable | 17:22 |
| attah | looks like a Sony Xperia Z1 imo | 17:22 |
| Morpog_PC | my twitter feed explodes | 17:22 |
| attah | although in all honesty that one scored a "red dot" | 17:23 |
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| Morpog_PC | i want to see their smartwatch, not boring iphones :) | 17:24 |
| kimmoli | makes sense to compare to a device launched 2007... | 17:25 |
| javispedro | meh, the only reason to view their stream is to get to know how will 2014-2015 iphone clones look | 17:25 |
| javispedro | ie all of the smartphone market | 17:25 |
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| javispedro | maybe proper landscape is going to make a comeback | 17:26 |
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| javispedro | I miss landscape-first UIs :) | 17:26 |
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| kimmoli | maybe they compare that "iWatch" to Pulsar LED from 1970 | 17:27 |
| Morpog_PC | ssssh ssssh, this is not #maemo :D | 17:27 |
| attah | javispedro: but doesn't the new one look more like the "clones" alreday? | 17:28 |
| Morpog_PC | 20 lte bands and voice over lte support | 17:28 |
| Morpog_PC | 20 lte bands and voice over lte support | 17:28 |
| Morpog_PC | oops | 17:28 |
| javispedro | meh, I'm surprised he didn't use mention "HD Voice" or similar marketing words | 17:30 |
| Morpog_PC | iSight camera with focus pixels --- lol marleting at its best | 17:30 |
| TMavica | i want see iTV | 17:30 |
| attah | dafuq! the chinese simultaneous interpretation is in the original stream.. not just the crappy youtube stream | 17:30 |
| javispedro | I reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally doubt it "seamlessly handoff" from Wi-Fi to 3G. | 17:30 |
| javispedro | attah, told you | 17:30 |
| javispedro | attah, the freezes and loops also happen in their stream | 17:31 |
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| attah | javispedro: being in the industry.. i wouldn't be so sure ;) | 17:31 |
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| TMavica | i hate to listen Putonguse | 17:34 |
| attah | i wonder if someone forgot to tell apple about akamai.. | 17:35 |
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| kimmoli | heh You don't have permission to access "http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/" on this server. | 17:39 |
| Morpog_PC | 128gb | 17:39 |
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| Morpog_PC | finally someone put a bit more storage in a device | 17:39 |
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| javispedro | Morpog_PC, but is that the $4000 edition? | 17:40 |
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| Morpog_PC | 399$ on a two year contract :D | 17:40 |
| Morpog_PC | haha | 17:40 |
| Morpog_PC | and that was the smaller device | 17:41 |
| javispedro | greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat | 17:41 |
| kimmoli | burst selfies... | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | burst grufies. | 17:41 |
| Morpog_PC | ships on sept 19 | 17:41 |
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| Morpog_PC | thats how i would have loved the Jolla launch, 10 days between launch and shipping | 17:42 |
| javispedro | seems that apple.com stream is better now | 17:42 |
| r0kk3rz | tim cook: "guys we're out of ideas, but need a new iphone to release this year" *throws a galaxy s5 on the table* "build me one those!" | 17:42 |
| javispedro | the 2001 reference is not appreciated, thanks. | 17:43 |
| Morpog_PC | hmm payment time, maybe they finally got NFC? | 17:44 |
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| javispedro | I heard "it's all about the walla" | 17:45 |
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| Stskeeps | now that was just corny. | 17:46 |
| javispedro | maybe that's how they pay in the US | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. here i have nfc credits just fine | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | cards | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | i know they're horridly insecure but they work for me . | 17:47 |
| Morpog_PC | i got a credit card but never used it :D | 17:47 |
| javispedro | now that is corny | 17:48 |
| Morpog_PC | NFC | 17:48 |
| Morpog_PC | coupled with touch ID | 17:48 |
| javispedro | how many hours of battery does that "credit card replacement" have again? | 17:49 |
| r0kk3rz | afaik they're not insecure, ive never heard of an attack against one | 17:49 |
| javispedro | r0kk3rz, I guess it depends on what you call an attack. here every transaction <15eur can proceed without any pin or other authentication | 17:50 |
| * Morpog_PC wonders if the credit card info gets stored in the iCloud :D | 17:50 | |
| javispedro | yaddayadda paypal yaddayadda | 17:51 |
| fennekki | it does, Morpog_PC | 17:51 |
| fennekki | and IIRC it's the only thing that's relatively secure | 17:51 |
| kimmoli | it is not iPay ? | 17:51 |
| Morpog_PC | TheFappening must be a good advertising then :D | 17:51 |
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| Morpog_PC | kimmoli, no Apple Pay | 17:51 |
| TMavica | lol | 17:52 |
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| kimmoli | i could imagine situation in a bar, present features of your ipohne 6.. "blaa.. iPay..." | 17:52 |
| javispedro | so obviously their solution will not be compatible with any standard? | 17:53 |
| Morpog_PC | as always | 17:53 |
| r0kk3rz | javispedro: in aus its more like 100 AUD | 17:54 |
| r0kk3rz | but i get your point | 17:54 |
| RaYmAn | javispedro: they said something like "You can use it in 220,000 stores that already support contactless payments, " | 17:54 |
| kimmoli | "groundbreaking NFC antenna" ...hope they have instructions to hold the phone correctly when making payment... | 17:54 |
| RaYmAn | which to me indicates that while their shit won't be compatible, it doesn't matter because the actual payments are just standard stuff | 17:54 |
| attah | past news had them as "partnering with Visa and Mastercard" | 17:54 |
| Morpog_PC | and amex | 17:55 |
| attah | What about Dankort? xD | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | well, dankort is 95% of time a visa too.. | 17:56 |
| RaYmAn | attah: well, Danske Bank doesn't believe in phones as a payment option :P | 17:56 |
| Morpog_PC | "We have one more thing." | 17:56 |
| attah | Stskeeps: perhaps it has gotten better.. i just remember touristing with my parents and in most places they didn't accept anything else.. | 17:57 |
| r0kk3rz | in aus banks give out an NFC chip which you can stick to the back of your phone | 17:57 |
| r0kk3rz | or anything I guess | 17:57 |
| Morpog_PC | "An entirely new product. We believe this product will redefine what people expect from its category." | 17:57 |
| attah | so bringing Visa, MC and AMex didn't help.. | 17:57 |
| javispedro | one more thiiing | 17:57 |
| RaYmAn | attah: yeah, PBS fought hard to make it expensive for shops to support more than Dankort | 17:58 |
| Morpog_PC | smartwatch | 17:58 |
| javispedro | ok I guess the stream will die now | 17:58 |
| Morpog_PC | round | 17:58 |
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| attah | RaYmAn: that's retarded :) | 17:58 |
| Morpog_PC | square | 17:58 |
| javispedro | Moboth | 17:59 |
| * Morpog_PC disappointed :D | 17:59 | |
| * javispedro rolling on the floor | 17:59 | |
| attah | Stskeeps: but not Visa versa, right? | 17:59 |
| TMavica | iwatch! | 18:00 |
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| Morpog_PC | there they use the saphire glas | 18:00 |
| Morpog_PC | Apple Watch, NOT iWatch | 18:01 |
| r0kk3rz | interesting dropping the iNoun format | 18:01 |
| Morpog_PC | yep, Apple Pay and Apple Watch | 18:01 |
| TMavica | many style.. | 18:02 |
| kimmoli | iPay, iWatch pron ... i think the "verb" there... | 18:02 |
| r0kk3rz | iPhoneHome? | 18:03 |
| kimmoli | it was etPhoneHome | 18:03 |
| javispedro | oh men | 18:04 |
| javispedro | apple is actually promoting ACTUAL HARDWARE KNOBS | 18:04 |
| javispedro | vs useless capacitive screen interactions! | 18:04 |
| javispedro | I can't believe this is the same company that introduced the iphone and ruined smartphones | 18:05 |
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| Morpog_PC | well, it's Tim Cooks show now | 18:05 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah but surely everything cook does comes under a "WhatWouldSteveDo" filter | 18:06 |
| TMavica | just the iwatch no any leaked photo | 18:07 |
| javispedro | "the crown is an amazing input device" | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | good that people are (finally) using zoomable uis.. | 18:07 |
| javispedro | I can believe I'm still in apple.com | 18:07 |
| javispedro | *can't | 18:07 |
| javispedro | so obviously the stream has become sucky for me now | 18:09 |
| r0kk3rz | introducing: the iKnob | 18:09 |
| javispedro | man, are they telling me it's a resistive screen? | 18:09 |
| TMavica | i have a bit interest in the watch | 18:09 |
| Morpog_PC | interesting a somehow resistive screen | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: nono, apple tech | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:10 |
| javispedro | "vibrator" is so uncool... | 18:10 |
| ahjolinna | Apple watch reminds me of Sony's smartwatch 2 & 3, at least a hybrid version of them | 18:10 |
| javispedro | if only I wasn't wearing a dual-core 1Ghz processor on my wrist right now... | 18:11 |
| kimmoli | "It’s driven Apple from the beginning. This compulsion to *take* incredibly powerful technology," | 18:11 |
| friese | javispedro: omate? :) | 18:11 |
| javispedro | friese: no, a gear2 | 18:11 |
| friese | ah okay | 18:11 |
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| javispedro | c'mon, get to the battery life | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | also, i presume it's just another bluetooth watch.. | 18:12 |
| friese | got an omate a few weeks ago, so far it's pretty usable, but i'm still trying to get sailfish running on it ;) | 18:12 |
| kimmoli | would like to see trackpad (like in SGH-i907) in a smartwatch (maybe) | 18:13 |
| r0kk3rz | i do find it amusing how smart watches basically killed any interest in google glass | 18:13 |
| javispedro | r0kk3rz, yeah, glass is dead | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | i liked baidu's latest thing | 18:13 |
| Morpog_PC | I still think smartwatcheds are a horrible idea :D | 18:14 |
| javispedro | google dumping it on some backalley corner in their hw store is probably the nail in the coffin | 18:14 |
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| javispedro | Morpog_PC, apple has now officially embraced them, so I now get to call everyone who doesn't get smartwatches a "dinosaur" | 18:14 |
| r0kk3rz | Morpog_PC: agreed, but some people seem to like them | 18:14 |
| * javispedro never got smartphones :) | 18:14 | |
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| attah | me neither.. | 18:14 |
| * Morpog_PC is an old dinosaur :D | 18:15 | |
| r0kk3rz | took me a while to get a smartphone, I valued battery life more over fart apps | 18:15 |
| * javispedro yawns | 18:15 | |
| attah | "a dinosaur at twenty-four", hey my condition rhymes! | 18:15 |
| javispedro | anyone who'd use a jelly fish photo as watchface has never been stinged by one | 18:16 |
| javispedro | the i- prefix is as dead as steve jobs now, seemingly | 18:16 |
| Morpog_PC | The iPhone is "required with Apple Watch." | 18:17 |
| RaYmAn | javispedro: at least they didn't dump the numbers and do "Apple Phone" instead :P | 18:17 |
| r0kk3rz | im ok with that, it'sa bit old by now | 18:17 |
| * javispedro is looking forward to crack the protocol on that thing | 18:18 | |
| r0kk3rz | ipod was released like 2001? | 18:18 |
| kimmoli | hmm.. i have sapphire glass on my watch | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | widgets are back! | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:19 |
| javispedro | so if you forget whether you're on earth or on mars you.. | 18:20 |
| M4rtinK | hmm, are any of those fancy "smartwatch" thingies even watertight ? :P | 18:20 |
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| RaYmAn | M4rtinK: the sony smartwatch 3 is | 18:20 |
| javispedro | M4rtinK, most of those released this summer are | 18:20 |
| RaYmAn | and pebble | 18:21 |
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| javispedro | but I'm sure that if you get the iWatch^W AppleWatch wet it will waste its last few seconds of life trying to sue you for breaching the Apple EULA, then die | 18:22 |
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| javispedro | buttons totally indistinguishable from background text | 18:22 |
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| javispedro | again, I feel I'm watching a sony keynote | 18:24 |
| kimmoli | nicew constructive dicussion here btw. no rage/hate... | 18:24 |
| javispedro | none at all :) | 18:25 |
| attah | perhaps we are not feeling threatened? ;) | 18:25 |
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| Morpog_PC | i wonder what the battery life is, this could be their killer argument over other smartwatches | 18:27 |
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| javispedro | "could" is the keyword here, so far nothing shown has been actually interesting, except for the rotary encoder | 18:27 |
| javispedro | sorry, the iKnob | 18:28 |
| javispedro | err, the AppleKnob. | 18:28 |
| kimmoli | DigitalCrown... | 18:28 |
| javispedro | that's one interesting software innovation | 18:28 |
| javispedro | someone should do that for normal phones | 18:29 |
| Morpog_PC | i like that forcetough thingy | 18:29 |
| javispedro | yep | 18:29 |
| Morpog_PC | forcetouch | 18:29 |
| Morpog_PC | stskeeps, emulate it on sailfishos :D | 18:29 |
| javispedro | it's technically possible to do even with the cheapest of smartwatches, they all have vibrator+accelerometer.. | 18:30 |
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| RaYmAn | pebble actually made a game that you controlled by tapping on the sides of the watch | 18:30 |
| RaYmAn | (pebble doesn't have touchscreen) | 18:31 |
| javispedro | the interesting part is to have real-timeish forwarding of accelerometer "taps" to vibrator feedback on another person's watch | 18:31 |
| RaYmAn | I think someone already made that. Except the feedback wasn't one a watch. | 18:32 |
| attah | ^yep | 18:32 |
| javispedro | they're now throwing the "we have bazillion of apps" story now | 18:32 |
| kimmoli | and then, news, you password was revealed by sensing it with smartwatch accelerometer | 18:32 |
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| javispedro | passwords are totally dead eitherway | 18:33 |
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| javispedro | authentication via the watch is the new cool | 18:33 |
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| ahjolinna | btw. its fun when Apple said that they have new tech...NFC....here in finland we have had it from 2004-> | 18:34 |
| ahjolinna | well thats apple | 18:35 |
| javispedro | someone said above most of the shops they mentioned as "applepie" compatible mysteriously resembled the list of NFC-capable stores | 18:35 |
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| javispedro | well, the video just revealed the battery life | 18:36 |
| javispedro | "day-long" | 18:36 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah their brand requires everything they do to be 'revolutionary' | 18:36 |
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| kimmoli | ah, i have "smartwatch" afterall, TI chronos | 18:37 |
| kimmoli | which reminds me this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMbdQptdfw | 18:38 |
| kimmoli | about watch and security access | 18:38 |
| javispedro | kimmoli, did the chronos use ANT+ iirc? | 18:38 |
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| kimmoli | just ANT ? | 18:39 |
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| kimmoli | it was actually a buy which i never had time to use | 18:39 |
| javispedro | 3 editions | 18:40 |
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| javispedro | iphone4s has ble... hm.. | 18:40 |
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| javispedro | $350!! | 18:41 |
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| Stskeeps | so, who's up for starting a revolution in smartwatch OS on those 3g android smartwatches? | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:42 |
| RaYmAn | the ones with a few hours of battery life? ;) | 18:42 |
| friese | Stskeeps: gestures on my omate would be truly awesome, but so far im still trying to get cyanogenmod running properly | 18:42 |
| javispedro | apple pie watch! | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | friese: which omate did you get? | 18:43 |
| friese | the 1gb/8gb model | 18:43 |
| ahjolinna | of all the current smart watches I like the Sony's latest one the best (smartwatch v3) | 18:43 |
| RaYmAn | arne't the omate hugely GPL violating? | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | got a kernel source for it? | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:43 |
| javispedro | ahjolinna, why? | 18:43 |
| friese | uhm, not yet :( | 18:44 |
| friese | RaYmAn: probably ;) | 18:44 |
| javispedro | one more thing! | 18:44 |
| RaYmAn | I mean, it's MediaTek iirc? | 18:44 |
| friese | design-wise, the asus zenwatch looks really interesting | 18:44 |
| friese | yup | 18:44 |
| RaYmAn | they excell at being GPL violators. | 18:44 |
| ahjolinna | javispedro: do u want the short or the long answer? | 18:44 |
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| javispedro | ahjolinna, short please :) | 18:44 |
| ahjolinna | :D | 18:45 |
| javispedro | I mean, I find them virtually the same | 18:45 |
| Shinryuu | ahjo reminds me a little bit about some chili sauces | 18:45 |
| javispedro | though iirc sony one had GPS which I find interesting | 18:45 |
| attah | Stskeeps: sounds fun.. if we can mess with the modem.. :) | 18:45 |
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| ahjolinna | javispedro: waterproof, ok design (nothing extra), good battery life..and Sony quality...and its sony 3rd gen.... etc | 18:46 |
| javispedro | well, it's over | 18:49 |
| RaYmAn | Stskeeps: tbh, a lot of the android wear devices are pretty powerful and seems like good targets (iirc, they are generally unlockable as well) | 18:49 |
| ahjolinna | javispedro: oh and gps is also really nice | 18:49 |
| RaYmAn | iirc the sony sw3 is quad core a7 :P | 18:49 |
| r0kk3rz | wouldnt gps be a massive battery drain though? | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | RaYmAn: i'm mostly interested in anything that has a modem, for obscure reasons.. | 18:50 |
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| javispedro | r0kk3rz, those watches die if you use them 5h straight so won't be noticeable =) | 18:50 |
| RaYmAn | Stskeeps: like what? =P I've never quite gotten the point of a modem in a watch | 18:50 |
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| r0kk3rz | i guess... | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | RaYmAn: just some crazy ideas, can't really say :P | 18:50 |
| ahjolinna | I hope there will be some android wear device support on SailfishOS.... | 18:50 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: Dick Tracy watch ? :) | 18:51 |
| ahjolinna | I like to use sony smartwatch3 with my jolla | 18:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | ahjolinna: if you build it, they will come | 18:51 |
| nad6234 | how does the pebble stack up in all of this? | 18:52 |
| peppelakappa | nad6234: still the best smartwatch out there IMHO | 18:52 |
| RaYmAn | it's a different target really | 18:52 |
| RaYmAn | battery life, visible in sunlight and such | 18:52 |
| r0kk3rz | they've probably got something good brewing for once the dust settles from the major smartphone players | 18:53 |
| javispedro | ahjolinna, only notifications can work, most of the android wear features are either very google-service depending (everything related to google now) or 3rd party android apps | 18:53 |
| nad6234 | yeah, but how much of that works with jolla? | 18:53 |
| peppelakappa | nad6234: notifications are working with skipping stones | 18:54 |
| RaYmAn | nad6234: the protocol is reverse engineered since forever, so it's just a matter fo someone implementing it | 18:54 |
| peppelakappa | don't know about rejecting calls | 18:54 |
| ahjolinna | javispedro: didn't sony said that you can answer phone calls with it...it had a mic and speaker | 18:54 |
| RaYmAn | yeah | 18:54 |
| RaYmAn | they did | 18:54 |
| javispedro | ahjolinna, that part probably already works | 18:55 |
| javispedro | ahjolinna, so far most watches I've seen doing that use standard HFP / hands free bluetooth profile | 18:55 |
| javispedro | did not had the chance to test android wear, though. | 18:55 |
| nad6234 | with all this apple watch stuff, i wonder if pepple will drop their price | 18:55 |
| ahjolinna | javispedro: well I have to buy one and try | 18:56 |
| RaYmAn | why would they? Apple watch is rather expensive | 18:56 |
| nad6234 | market share | 18:56 |
| ahjolinna | how much was the apple watch? | 18:56 |
| RaYmAn | starting at 350 | 18:56 |
| ahjolinna | !!! | 18:56 |
| Merbot | ahjolinna: Error: "!!" is not a valid command. | 18:56 |
| nad6234 | i guess though it's a bit of an unknown | 18:56 |
| javispedro | Error: "$350" is not a valid smartwatch price. | 18:57 |
| peppelakappa | javispedro: +1 | 18:57 |
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| nad6234 | it's not out till nezt yeat | 18:57 |
| nad6234 | next year | 18:57 |
| r0kk3rz | javispedro: that may be so, but people will still be lining up around the block to get one | 18:57 |
| peppelakappa | maybe wear and this iwatch *can* do too much? i mean, who'll use all these functions? | 18:58 |
| nad6234 | 350 + the cost of thr iphone that it requires | 18:58 |
| RaYmAn | it kind of sounded like it wasn't an always-on screen on the Apple Watch either? | 18:59 |
| RaYmAn | which to me seems like a horrible idea for a watch. | 18:59 |
| javispedro | he did mention it was not always-on | 19:00 |
| r0kk3rz | i'll keep my 10 year old dumb watch any day, 8 year battery life, and always on display | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | RaYmAn: well, usually you gesture your wrist when you want to see something | 19:01 |
| javispedro | r0kk3rz, where's your dumbphone? | 19:01 |
| nad6234 | i'll keep my 20yr old Seiko that is an automatic mechanical watch | 19:01 |
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| r0kk3rz | javispedro: in a drawer somewhere | 19:02 |
| nad6234 | no batteries. and it gives me an approximate time ;-) | 19:02 |
| pdanek1 | So Apple event is done and BlackBerry Passport will be still better. :D | 19:02 |
| pdanek1 | Nothing special, all rumored before. | 19:02 |
| RaYmAn | Stskeeps: not convinced - the pebble has that for backlight and it's kind of annoying | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | it's definately annoying when eating with fork and knife. | 19:03 |
| javispedro | that's why I classify smartwatches into useful ones (alwayson screen, metawatch, pebble) and for-the-fun ones (gear, etc.) | 19:03 |
| javispedro | it's terribly distracting when typing to have the gear randomly light up | 19:04 |
| javispedro | so where I can download this watchkit to figure out if it's bluetooth or what | 19:07 |
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| RaYmAn | it's probably bluetooth, but they probably also have their MFi chip to prevent other people talking to it. | 19:08 |
| javispedro | Apple's bluetooth protocols have been quite open as of lately | 19:08 |
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| Morpog_PC | Next stop - SailfishOS Update 9 | 19:09 |
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| dr_ | When? Where? | 19:09 |
| Morpog_PC | :D | 19:09 |
| javispedro | delayed! | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | kimmoli: ooi how many mA does toholed take? | 19:11 |
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| ahjolinna | when will the update 9 arrive? :D any idea? plz dont say when its ready | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | when it's ready. | 19:13 |
| javispedro | delayed again | 19:13 |
| ahjolinna | :D | 19:13 |
| ahjolinna | sigh | 19:13 |
| Morpog_PC | it will come in september | 19:13 |
| kimmoli | Stskeeps: i have neber had time to make measurements, but on 24h averate, about same as jolla on flightmode | 19:14 |
| ahjolinna | -_- | 19:14 |
| javispedro | september 8,349 A.D. | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | kimmoli: hmm not bad | 19:14 |
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| kimmoli | Stskeeps: http://kimmoli.tumblr.com/post/93509391153/toholed-battery-consumption | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | so acceptable | 19:15 |
| kimmoli | includes wakeup every 30sec, | 19:16 |
| kimmoli | and display update every minute | 19:16 |
| r0kk3rz | thats pretty good, can improve by making it not always on | 19:16 |
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| kimmoli | it has proximity sensor, so it is not on when covered. then PD is negilible | 19:17 |
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| dr_ | Stskeeps today you talk about rodeo with connmann | 19:18 |
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| dr_ | From 1.8.19 no problem at all also in public wifis | 19:18 |
| ahjolinna | has anyone tried zramcfg in warehouse/openrepos? | 19:19 |
| Morpog_PC | doesn't the jolla already use some ram compressing already by default? | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | no | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | i'm happy for people to test it out in real situations | 19:21 |
| Morpog_PC | why don't we have all ram available then? | 19:21 |
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| Stskeeps | modem | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | (yes, really.) | 19:21 |
| Morpog_PC | 830728 kB | 19:22 |
| Morpog_PC | omg | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | plus something else i forgot | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | it's usual on qcom configurations | 19:22 |
| Morpog_PC | lol | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | probably something dsp-y | 19:22 |
| Morpog_PC | hmpgf | 19:22 |
| Morpog_PC | we need more ram in next jolla :D | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | tell me about it. | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | i'm working on alternative OOM strategies at the moment | 19:23 |
| Morpog_PC | sounds good, but I won't get that till update 20 or so :) | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | nah, hopefully not -that- far.. | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | the principle is memory thresholds, so far we have two (you can see it in mce), warning and critical, so at warning it'd kill all 'empty' android apps (already shut down, just around for easy startup - can be up to 84mb at times).. and then find the biggest sinner/least recently used and signal homescreen that it should ask that app to shut down/persist.. and then when critical hits the daleks move in | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | but the question is how to do it well and in a nice ui fashion | 19:25 |
| ahjolinna | why doesn't jolla have somekind ram compression thing by default? | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | ahjolinna: it was considered unstable at the time we were putting it in | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | not even android used it in 4.1. | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | x | 19:25 |
| ahjolinna | when will it be "stable"? | 19:25 |
| Morpog_PC | that tresholds seem to kick in too late most of the times though | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | Morpog_PC: well, there's no thresholds atm | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | it's the OOM killer or nothing | 19:26 |
| javispedro | just add more swap | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | i'm working on the thresholds atm | 19:26 |
| Morpog_PC | ah thats why it's getting sluggish | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: i wish that was it | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | but yes, it takes longer for it to start trashing when there's sufficient swap | 19:27 |
| javispedro | I always felt that all this talk about app-level persistence comes because Linux swapping sucks | 19:27 |
| Morpog_PC | swapping sucks always, especially with slow IO | 19:28 |
| javispedro | it's 2014 and is the only operating system I have where I may need to reboot the machine because of "unrecoverable" thrasing | 19:28 |
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| javispedro | and don't blame X11 or Unix because I've tried Solaris. | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 19:29 |
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| Stskeeps | well, how would you like it to look on sailfish? | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:30 |
| javispedro | I am a theoretical guy | 19:30 |
| javispedro | so in theory you'd just let the normal scheduler swapout least-recently-used processes normally | 19:30 |
| javispedro | and in theory they would be swapped in in seconds because their non-shared working set is of a few MiBs | 19:30 |
| javispedro | and I know in practice it takes minutes | 19:31 |
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| javispedro | which is why every on-top-of-Linux operating system vendor has come with their own "Persistence" stuff that reinvents the Linux one | 19:31 |
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| javispedro | including Hildon. That brings memories =) | 19:32 |
| javispedro | and in theory some company with unlimited resources could put some men-hours to figure out what's wrong with the normal linux swapper | 19:33 |
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| javispedro | so in practice I will just bend over and take it up to the tailpipe | 19:33 |
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| javispedro | well, it's starting to rain, should go now | 19:38 |
| javispedro | cya and good luck! | 19:38 |
| r0kk3rz | theres plenty of literature out there about page swapping strategies | 19:38 |
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| Morpog_PC | http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/540f50716da8116708973c25-803-319/aapl%209:6.png | 19:49 |
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| ryukafalz | So is the only way to get Tahkalampi on a N4 currently to build it yourself with HADK? | 23:58 |
| ryukafalz | OTA upgrade doesn't seem to show any new version available | 23:58 |
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