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| ShadowJK | hm... jolla email doesn't seem to like attachments :) | 04:24 |
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| ShadowJK | oom killed, I guess | 04:25 |
| ShadowJK | need moar ram! | 04:25 |
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| Nicd- | there are memory leaks that make it hard to get good uptime :< | 05:09 |
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| tango_ | how do you debug these things on the jolla? | 05:21 |
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| Nicd- | I don't, it's just that after around 20 days uptime, my memory and swap are full with all of my own apps closed | 05:23 |
| Nicd- | sometimes killing messageserver5 helps, sometimes it doesn't | 05:24 |
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| tango_ | what's messageserver5? | 05:55 |
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| tango_ | coderus: yes I am, why do you ask? | 06:32 |
| tango_ | oh I googled | 06:33 |
| tango_ | ok | 06:33 |
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| kimmoli | >> http://www.jollausers.com/2014/09/jollausers-giveaway-2-toholed-and-official-toh-from-jolla/ | 07:01 |
| tbr | meh, requires fakebook | 07:03 |
| meklu | there's an option to use your email instead | 07:04 |
| tadzik | well, increses your chances with it, effectively nerfing yu if you don't | 07:04 |
| tadzik | can you like them with your email? | 07:04 |
| meklu | hmm, really? | 07:05 |
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| tadzik | one of the possible entries to the contest is liking the facebook page | 07:05 |
| meklu | oh | 07:06 |
| tadzik | I don't think it's that unfair | 07:06 |
| tadzik | "want a giveaway? Have a taste of some of the crap we have to put up with" :P | 07:06 |
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| mcfrisk | got my jolla back from service with new display, but it has been reflashed or reset to factory settings. What problems is the flashing or factory reset solving, since it's done? | 07:14 |
| Stskeeps | sure it's not a swap? ie different imei | 07:15 |
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| mcfrisk | ah, I did not write down the imei before service, got some complains about it from Optima and jolla. But the chassis looks mine with dents and a few scratches. | 07:17 |
| tadzik | I'm pretty sure you just got a new device to shorten the wait | 07:17 |
| tadzik | I mean, I'd be surprised if that wasn't the case | 07:18 |
| mcfrisk | well I got the old broken display back too. | 07:19 |
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| mcfrisk | Is there a manufacturing date in cover or somewhere in SW? | 07:19 |
| Stskeeps | under batt | 07:19 |
| mcfrisk | hmm, swipe to lock isn't there either, maybe was a setting I changed.. | 07:20 |
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| meklu | the retail box I think may have had the IMEI on it | 07:21 |
| * meklu is not quite sure though | 07:21 | |
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| meklu | it had some mfg details | 07:21 |
| mcfrisk | I got mine in 12/2013 and mfg date in this one is the same, unless the board inside got changed | 07:22 |
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| Nicd- | tango_: I don't know what it does exactly, but it eats up a lot of memory | 07:22 |
| Nicd- | and I have had no side effects from killing it | 07:22 |
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| mcfrisk | so backups don't contain any settings, or accounts, even jolla account. Now I'm disappointed. | 07:26 |
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| mcfrisk | oh, so backups need to be copied from sdcard, and then applied. I'm really bad with these user interfaces. Need a bash, mutt, vi & git phone instead. | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | i'm sure you can reconfigure the user session for that.. | 07:30 |
| mcfrisk | but would need a keyboard :) | 07:31 |
| Stskeeps | tohkbd.. ;p | 07:31 |
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| kimmoli | i think factory reset is standard procedure. mine had broken loudspeaker and it was reflashed (or as optima says -updated to latest version) | 07:36 |
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| mcfrisk | so, developer mode is not restored from backups | 07:38 |
| mcfrisk | neither mobile network mode | 07:38 |
| mcfrisk | "Account needs to be update", err what? | 07:40 |
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| mcfrisk | is reboot needed after restoring settings? It's failing to enable developer mode. | 07:42 |
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| mcfrisk | I really don't like setting up all accounts to my jolla after the reflash in service. And backups seem really useless if all accounts and settings need to be restored anyway. | 08:33 |
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| meklu | security™ | 08:34 |
| meklu | but I guess it could just save the account handles without any real auth information | 08:34 |
| mcfrisk | well, asking for passwords would be ok. But loosing all email settings for example.. sigh. | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | backup isn't totally perfect, no | 08:34 |
| mcfrisk | I can deal with imperfection, I expect them. But this isn't actually a backup. | 08:35 |
| mcfrisk | notes, gone. | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 08:36 |
| mcfrisk | email settings gone, pictures & videos, gone (but documented well). | 08:36 |
| mcfrisk | I was actually doing a tar of /home/nemo to sdcard but it seemed to take too long so I gave up, and trusted that backups would actually do something. sigh^2 | 08:37 |
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| mcfrisk | calendar entries, all gone, wtf | 08:41 |
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| nazanin | mcfrisk: local calendar is not saved to backup unfortunately | 08:43 |
| mcfrisk | Only thing that was actually backed up was contacts. Not good at all. I'm not even using a ton of apps with weird settings. For me these things should just work, or not work at all in which case I rsync things to a safe place. | 08:45 |
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| nazanin | mcfrisk: hhm, so from all the 8 backup items, only you got your contacts back? | 08:48 |
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| mcfrisk | yes, and as a user I expected much more, or a big fat warning to rsync/tar stuff out on my own, which I could have done. | 08:53 |
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| mcfrisk | Ok, the messages are there too from backup. | 08:58 |
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| mcfrisk | Q: jolla flashing, is it 'secure' and overwrites all data as with maemo flasher or just fast where not all flash blocks are rewritten? | 09:10 |
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| lipi | how did you guys packed the phone for Optima service? You sent it in original box or in padded mailer? | 10:04 |
| pp_ | original box + padded mailer | 10:06 |
| pp_ | and gave it to the post office lady since it didn't fit in a finnish mailbox :P | 10:07 |
| pp_ | (pro.tip, write priority or 1. or it takes ages to get delivered :P ) | 10:07 |
| lipi | ok, thanks :) | 10:08 |
| pp_ | but apparently the parcel route is smarter as you get a tracking code | 10:08 |
| pp_ | they sent it back as a home delivery parcel | 10:08 |
| lipi | yep | 10:09 |
| ln- | i used something bigger than the original box, and sent it for free and got a tracking code | 10:14 |
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| lipi | hmm, Optima's web page says, that sender is responsible for shipping costs if shipping is bigger than letter size | 10:22 |
| ln- | so it says, yet they give an asiakaspalautustunnus | 10:24 |
| pp_ | Kirjekokoa suuremmat lähetykset, lähetetään Optima Service asiakaspalautustunnuksella 607207 | 10:25 |
| pp_ | yep | 10:25 |
| pp_ | just make sure it's larger than a letter, maybe?-) | 10:25 |
| ln- | the original box is larger than a letter. | 10:26 |
| ln- | anyway, i figured that despite the instructions given by care, i'm not sending a 400-€ device in a letter without tracking, because if it gets lost, it's unlikely anyone would take responsibility for it. | 10:27 |
| lipi | true | 10:28 |
| ln- | also, if possible, you should take closeup photos of the phone from every direction before sending it to optima. | 10:31 |
| ln- | because if they scratch it, they'll deny they did it. | 10:31 |
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| fennekki | optima? shit | 11:49 |
| fennekki | I've dealt with Optima before | 11:49 |
| fennekki | IIRC it was Optima who flashed a custom ROM onto my old GNex when I got that serviced for a hardware problem | 11:50 |
| fennekki | technically unlocking the bootloader voids the warranty but they didn't only do that but also LEFT it unlocked | 11:50 |
| fennekki | and I cant really understand why | 11:50 |
| meklu | they wanted to free you of google's tyranny, obv. | 11:51 |
| fennekki | but I have no clue what it was | 11:51 |
| fennekki | it sure as hell wasn't Cyanogen | 11:51 |
| meklu | there are soo many terrible ROMs | 11:51 |
| fennekki | anyway, this was back when it still got OTA updates so I dumped the official rom on it | 11:51 |
| fennekki | when I got the Jolla I flashed cyanogen and gave it to my brother | 11:52 |
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| kimmoli | zacapa was pretty good rom ...mm rum | 11:52 |
| meklu | I had some Cyanogen ROM with some really weird third party launcher on my last phone... | 11:52 |
| meklu | it was pretty dreadful | 11:53 |
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| Sail0r | 12:27:30 ln-: anyway, i figured that despite the instructions given by care, i'm not sending a 400-€ device in a letter without tracking, because if it gets lost, it's unlikely anyone would take responsibility for it. <=== Didn't care send you a fedex airway bill? | 11:53 |
| Nicd- | Sail0r: not in finland | 11:54 |
| Sail0r | ah ok | 11:54 |
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| Sail0r | I am pretty happy that my jolla got back in one piece | 11:54 |
| Sail0r | seeing the package which optima choose I couldn't believe that | 11:55 |
| fennekki | optima is the company everyone in Finland overloads this shit to and they just can't get anything done right | 11:55 |
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| pp_ | pessima :-) | 11:56 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | designer is in da house ? | 15:27 |
| dr_gogeta86 | https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10629849_802996289758872_317293300738311755_n.jpg?oh=0c7ea5cca9898bacda0fdd90d067c07a&oe=549CA23D&__gda__=1419436032_e557ce31a70ea600a7de4ef534a56c79 | 15:28 |
| Hartzi | whats that? Jolla copy? | 15:29 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I think so | 15:29 |
| dr_gogeta86 | toh included ? I've asked for infos | 15:30 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | I think a stand at ifa was a clear presence but I know for sure is very expensive | 15:30 |
| tbr | if you look at the side of the one next to it, you'll notice it's completely rounded | 15:31 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | http://www.archos.com/it/products/smartphones/platinum/archos_45cplatinum/specs.html? | 15:37 |
| dr_gogeta86 | but the concept is almost the same look here | 15:37 |
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| tbr | heh, an archos :D | 15:52 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | also in low specs | 16:03 |
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| tadzik | hmm, the new hwkbd is fun and all, but still looks like you'd need to slide it out to use the camera | 18:35 |
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| attah | tadzik: sure.. but why is that bad? | 18:36 |
| tadzik | attah: it's a dealbreaker to me | 18:36 |
| attah | tadzik: i got as much.. but i don't intuitively get your reasoning.. | 18:37 |
| tadzik | I mean, it probably wouldn't be that bad in practice, but I would't like to hold my phone open to take a picture, especially in vertical mode | 18:37 |
| tadzik | the tradeoff is probably worth it, but it make it seem like a half-assed solution to me | 18:37 |
| attah | but you can rip it apart? | 18:38 |
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| tadzik | to take a picture? That's just bloody stupid imho | 18:38 |
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| tadzik | "here, let me pull apart my phone to take a picture" | 18:38 |
| attah | i dunno.. i think i could manage.. | 18:39 |
| tadzik | I wonder what is the reasoning behind not making the keyboard a bit shorter and fitting a hole in there too | 18:39 |
| attah | well.. you'll want to have about the same distance from the sides to the keys.. | 18:40 |
| tadzik | I think I'll have different distances over a covered camera | 18:41 |
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| attah | i wouldn't.. but each to his own.. | 18:41 |
| tadzik | especially since it seems like it's now covered by a gamepad, which won't be used 90% of the time | 18:41 |
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| tango_ | is it just me or the jolla gallery viewer rotates images by tau/4 ? | 18:43 |
| tadzik | from TMO: "Because of the location of the camera this will never happen, forget about it. Pick a piece of paper, put it on your phone and mark the edges and camera, then slide it out 40mm -> big-*** hole in the middle of your keyboard!" | 18:43 |
| tango_ | well, actually the photos taken by the jolla itself | 18:44 |
| tango_ | can anybod confirm? | 18:44 |
| tango_ | take a picture with vertical phone, slide left to see it, it's rotated | 18:44 |
| tadzik | oh, there it is: "why couldn't you make the keyboard less than the full width (height) of the phone?" -- "because it does not comply with my design philosofy. but feel free to make an artist impression to convince me otherwise!" | 18:45 |
| tadzik | tango_: cannot reproduce | 18:46 |
| tadzik | not rotated for me | 18:46 |
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| tango_ | tadzik: for me not only it's rotated, but the details are height = 0, width = 0 | 18:49 |
| tango_ | the image displays correctly though, and it's straight-up in the gallery (where you can see all the photos) | 18:49 |
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| tango_ | looks like some exif brain damage maybe | 18:49 |
| tadzik | tango_: ha, interesting | 18:50 |
| tango_ | tadzik: also rather annoying | 18:51 |
| tadzik | tango_: I assume that's all stock, no fancy patchmanager stuff? | 18:51 |
| tango_ | tadzik: yup | 18:51 |
| tango_ | and up to date | 18:51 |
| ahjolinna | if someone is bored like me, here is a fun review about WP8.1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3AgcltUM9s you can get at least some good laughs from this | 18:52 |
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| bennypr0fane | hello, I'm trying to create a symlink to my sdcard in /home/nemo | 21:53 |
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| bennypr0fane | supposedly, this should work by doing cd ~ then ln /run/user/100000/media/sdcard | 21:54 |
| bennypr0fane | e.g. here: http://www.sgvulcan.com/expose-the-sd-card-of-the-jolla-phone-over-usb/ | 21:55 |
| bennypr0fane | but that's not where my sdcard is mounted. it's under media sdcard | 21:56 |
| bennypr0fane | so i did ln -s /media sdcard and got a message saying that directory already exists in ~ | 21:56 |
| bennypr0fane | sorry: /media/sdcard | 21:57 |
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| bennypr0fane | but not "sdcard", but ".sdcard" . Anyhow, neither is the case | 21:57 |
| bennypr0fane | I'm confused. Has anyone here done this before? | 21:58 |
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| M4rtinK | bennypr0fane: IIRC in one of the recent updates they added support for multiple partitions | 22:04 |
| M4rtinK | and they show up as mountpoints named after their UUID | 22:04 |
| bennypr0fane | M4rtinK, partitions? I didn't partition my sdcard | 22:05 |
| bennypr0fane | what do you mean? | 22:05 |
| M4rtinK | it should look kinda like this: /media/sdcard/asdasdasd-adasdasd-adasdasd-asdasd | 22:05 |
| bennypr0fane | I just don't understand why I can't create that symlink. Supposedly it's already there, but ls is not showing it, neither are the file managers | 22:06 |
| M4rtinK | (not a copy paste but an approximation how it looks like) | 22:06 |
| M4rtinK | you need to symlink to that UUID | 22:06 |
| M4rtinK | what does ls /media/sdcard show ? | 22:06 |
| bennypr0fane | the path to my sdcard look lik this: /media/sdcard/4FCD-53F5 | 22:07 |
| M4rtinK | then ln -s /media/sdcard/4FCD-53F5 /home/nemo/whatever should work | 22:07 |
| M4rtinK | that's what I have basically | 22:08 |
| bennypr0fane | If I first cd into /home/nemo it's only ln -s /media/sdcard/4FCD-53F5 , yes? | 22:08 |
| M4rtinK | no | 22:09 |
| M4rtinK | you need to give it a target | 22:09 |
| M4rtinK | ln -s /media/sdcard/4FCD-53F5 sdcard | 22:09 |
| bennypr0fane | ok | 22:09 |
| M4rtinK | will create a link calle sdcard in the current folder | 22:09 |
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| M4rtinK | pointing to the partition on your SDcard | 22:10 |
| bennypr0fane | why doesn't it say so on the page I posted a link to? | 22:10 |
| M4rtinK | IMHO outdated information | 22:10 |
| M4rtinK | previously it just mounted the first partition it found as /run/user/100000/media/sdcard | 22:11 |
| M4rtinK | sou you didn't have to include the UUID (4FCD-53F5) | 22:11 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, looking at the docs: http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?ln | 22:12 |
| M4rtinK | using just ln -s /media/sdcard/4FCD-53F5 | 22:12 |
| bennypr0fane | the fact that it's using the UUID now also means that that symlink will stop working if I put in a different card, yes? | 22:12 |
| M4rtinK | would probably create a link called 4FCD-53F5 | 22:12 |
| M4rtinK | I'm afraid it will | 22:12 |
| bennypr0fane | I just created a link called sdcard in /home/nemo, and it worked! | 22:13 |
| M4rtinK | congratulation! :) | 22:13 |
| bennypr0fane | points to /media/sdcard/4FCD-53F5! | 22:13 |
| bennypr0fane | thanks! :-) | 22:13 |
| M4rtinK | yay, the power of UNIX! | 22:13 |
| M4rtinK | no problem :) | 22:13 |
| bennypr0fane | do you have any idea if there's a way to make the camera save everything driectly to the sdcard? | 22:14 |
| M4rtinK | not from top of my head | 22:14 |
| M4rtinK | but replacing the folder it uses currently with a symlink might work :) | 22:15 |
| bennypr0fane | since it is not doing that atm, no I'm trying to figure out the correct command to copy three video files from Jolla to my Pc | 22:15 |
| bennypr0fane | M4rtinK, genius! | 22:15 |
| bennypr0fane | someone must have tried that already | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK | just note that if you remove the card or insert a new one you will probably not be able to use it :) | 22:16 |
| bennypr0fane | but my first search didn't reveal anything of the kind | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK | so make sure to post your findings to TMO or together :) | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK | another way would be to have a script that periodically "cleans up" and moves stuff to sdcard | 22:17 |
| bennypr0fane | hum, hum... that UUID thingy doesn't seems like the ideal solution, does it? Is that how a normal Linux pc does it? | 22:17 |
| M4rtinK | might even use inotify and move the files once they are created | 22:17 |
| M4rtinK | usually the partition label is used | 22:18 |
| M4rtinK | so it shows up as KINGSTON, etc. | 22:18 |
| bennypr0fane | but that's not what my card is labelled | 22:18 |
| M4rtinK | I wonder if you labeled your partition then it might show the label instead | 22:18 |
| bennypr0fane | I gacve it a name | 22:18 |
| M4rtinK | then it ignores it on the Jolla | 22:18 |
| bennypr0fane | so it seems | 22:19 |
| bennypr0fane | UUID is not the label | 22:19 |
| M4rtinK | yeah | 22:19 |
| M4rtinK | probably due to possible collisions | 22:19 |
| M4rtinK | well, the thing doing the mounting is just a shell script | 22:19 |
| M4rtinK | that is run on startup | 22:19 |
| bennypr0fane | a bit crude , no? | 22:19 |
| M4rtinK | sou it might be possible to change it to a different behavior | 22:20 |
| bennypr0fane | haha | 22:20 |
| M4rtinK | *so | 22:20 |
| bennypr0fane | but then, I'm not one to talk | 22:20 |
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| M4rtinK | well, until recently the whole init process in most distros wal just a bunch of shell scripts (SysV init) | 22:20 |
| M4rtinK | :) | 22:20 |
| M4rtinK | so as long as it works :) | 22:21 |
| M4rtinK | and unlike a binary, you can tweak it easily | 22:21 |
| M4rtinK | and it is more flexible than some tool you can only influence with configuration file changes | 22:22 |
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| bennypr0fane | config changes, shell scripts ... amounts to pretty much the same amount work, no? just guessing | 22:24 |
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| bennypr0fane | would you say this command should work: [nemo@Jolla sdcard]$ rsync *.mp4 10.0.0.18:/home/ben/Videos | 22:26 |
| bennypr0fane | in the examples in rsync man page, there is no / in front of the path on the remote machine | 22:27 |
| bennypr0fane | like so: rsync -t *.c foo:src/ | 22:27 |
| bennypr0fane | but that seems weird, no? | 22:27 |
| pahartik | bennypr0fane: Relative path is not unusual thing | 22:28 |
| bennypr0fane | pahartik, aha, so that is a relative path after all! I thought they just used a funny way of indicating the path in rsync | 22:29 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: I'd probably end up with ./src/ just in case | 22:29 |
| pahartik | bennypr0fane: Reference to "${HOME}" of remote user | 22:29 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: hehe no it is $login_directory/src/ | 22:29 |
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| bennypr0fane | but how can you use relative paths on a remote machine? login directory can only be ~/ or /root/ , right? | 22:32 |
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| M4rtinK | rsync does funny stuff if you have a / in the end or not | 22:33 |
| M4rtinK | beware of this if running with --delete | 22:33 |
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| bennypr0fane | I'm totally getting this wrong: http://pastie.org/9537489 | 22:35 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: you need the proper user name no? | 22:36 |
| bennypr0fane | when I'm ssh'ed into the jolla, everyhting I enter there is almost as if I was doing it on the Jolla, right? | 22:36 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: no almost, you are on the jolla! | 22:36 |
| bennypr0fane | chem|st, like so: [nemo@Jolla sdcard]$ rsync *.mp4 ben@10.0.0.18:/home/ben/Videos | 22:36 |
| bennypr0fane | ? | 22:36 |
| chem|st | yes | 22:36 |
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| bennypr0fane | this is so weird, because I'm ssh'ing in from ben@10.0.0.18 now I have to log back in to my own user from the Jolla????? | 22:38 |
| chem|st | the other way round is on your machine "rsync nemo@$JollaIP:$PATH-to-mp4/*mp4 $HOME/Videos" | 22:38 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: yes indeed | 22:38 |
| chem|st | bennypr0fane: you can setup a config file and ssh keys... | 22:39 |
| bennypr0fane | fantastic, it worked! | 22:39 |
| chem|st | :) good night! | 22:39 |
| bennypr0fane | chem|st, but in the other-way-round-command, there's no ssh | 22:40 |
| bennypr0fane | so rsync just has that built in when copying across machines...? | 22:40 |
| bennypr0fane | thanks anyway for the help, good night! | 22:41 |
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