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| Sail0r | hm how to debug why jolla does not want to connect to a wifi network? | 06:42 |
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| Naranek | a network or any network? | 06:47 |
| Sail0r | a specific network | 06:47 |
| Naranek | well you could check that you have the correct password and there's no MAC filtering on the AP | 06:48 |
| Sail0r | the passwort is correct | 06:49 |
| Naranek | any error messages? | 06:49 |
| Sail0r | cannot connect ^^ | 06:50 |
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| Sail0r | ha now ... I had a typo in Name= ... | 06:51 |
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| Nicd- | added 3 more ambience pics to the end of the album: https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/110693235602405640560/albums/5951600878348798689 | 07:09 |
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| Nicd- | the camera one gets a nice yellow-green highlight color | 07:09 |
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| coderus | i have problems connecting to one network too | 08:23 |
| coderus | some TP-Link wireless router | 08:23 |
| coderus | and i cannot connect to it with my Jolla and with my laptop too | 08:24 |
| coderus | but my friend can connect to it with Win7 laptop with no problems | 08:24 |
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| lpotter | does it use wpa enterprise? | 08:53 |
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| coderus | no, WPA2 personal mixed | 09:45 |
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| trigpoint | coderus: My home network is all TP-Link stuff, have had no problems with my Jolla | 09:56 |
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| merlin1991 | Is the jolla supposed todo proper wireless roaming? | 10:17 |
| merlin1991 | Because I've got 2 aps and when Iget out of range of one it first looses connection killing all open connections and then connects again | 10:18 |
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| chem|st | merlin1991: I think I moaned about inproper handshake-handoff some month ago... it depends on the AP hardware too | 10:35 |
| chem|st | I reported back with all details (AP, firmware version etc) | 10:36 |
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| chem|st | my brain is slow... now I have it... it started to oscillate between APs and it always ended up on the one with lower detected signal as something was wrong on that already as it was actually the AP closer to my office with better SNR | 10:40 |
| chem|st | sessions where not persistent, I can walk the whole building streaming radio on other devices though | 10:41 |
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| eyea_UK | jolla )0!1@ joy | 11:30 |
| eyea_UK | howd is everyone | 11:31 |
| eyea_UK | all good | 11:31 |
| meklu | apart from the ocular hemorrhaging brought upon me by your first message, all is well | 11:31 |
| eyea_UK | oh | 11:32 |
| eyea_UK | whats new with jolla | 11:32 |
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| giucam | what would ")0!1@" mean? | 11:35 |
| tbr | it's some sort of leet speak version of "Jolla" | 11:36 |
| tbr | the first few times I thought it was some sort of typing mistake | 11:37 |
| giucam | oh, with a big amount of fantasy i can read it... | 11:37 |
| Yaniel | ...and not get eye cancer | 11:37 |
| eyea_UK | jolla | 11:38 |
| eyea_UK | jolla )0!1@ | 11:39 |
| eyea_UK | yep | 11:39 |
| eyea_UK | eye cancer is bad | 11:39 |
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| eyea_UK | does any still have a Nokia N9 or N9 | 11:45 |
| eyea_UK | N900 | 11:45 |
| Kiranos | have n900 but doesnt use it | 11:45 |
| eyea_UK | anyone | 11:45 |
| eyea_UK | its a lovly device | 11:45 |
| Kiranos | too thick for my liking | 11:46 |
| Brudhu | My N9 was robbed two years ago. :( | 11:46 |
| Kiranos | n950 seemed much better but didnt make it to production just dev | 11:46 |
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| Jope | I still have an n900, n950 and n9 | 11:49 |
| Jope | probably can't bear to get rid of any of them.. :-) | 11:50 |
| w00t | RIP my N950's screen :'( | 11:50 |
| w00t | it grew the black lines of death | 11:50 |
| Jope | aww | 11:51 |
| entil | never used the n9 but it might have even been better than the n9 in that it had the screens next to each other... jolla could've done the same and had ambiences come from outside the screen :/ | 11:51 |
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| Nicd- | eyea_UK: I still have my N900 but it should be reflashed (doesn't boot) and the battery is loose | 11:58 |
| eyea_UK | same | 11:59 |
| chem|st | eyea_UK: I have both | 12:01 |
| eyea_UK | same | 12:01 |
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| chem|st | apart of offline navigation and speed the N900 is still an awesome phone, compared to currently available OSs it is still a lot better than current ones, maemo-extras quality apps are missing here :/ | 12:07 |
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| tadzik | I have a N900s, both with broken USB | 12:18 |
| tadzik | I can't be bothered to fix either, frankly. I just said "yep, I'm done with this" and bought a Jolla | 12:18 |
| eyea_UK | hopefully jolla 2 will be even better | 12:25 |
| chem|st | tadzik: if you like to donate them let me know | 12:25 |
| tadzik | chem|st: you know what? That sounds like a good idea | 12:25 |
| chem|st | drop me an email and I will get back to you as soon as we are set for receiving them for the contest | 12:26 |
| tadzik | I can donate at least one, the other one a friend gave/lent to me because there is "something" wrong with it and he switched to something else, but he probably wouldn't mind either | 12:26 |
| tadzik | chem|st: sure, privmsg me an email then :) | 12:27 |
| chem|st | or just post in the tmo thread | 12:27 |
| chem|st | tadzik: lol, board@maemo.org | 12:28 |
| tadzik | haha, okay | 12:28 |
| tadzik | so the "contest" is the Coding Contest? | 12:28 |
| tadzik | and, to be a bit on-topic: can I expect the Coding Contest apps to have Sailfish ports? | 12:29 |
| chem|st | tadzik: yes, I had no time yet to do more than ask for ideas but as soon as I have more time spare and the association is ready for donations (it is now registered) | 12:30 |
| Brudhu | Any idea on when Jolla Store will allow paid apps? | 12:30 |
| chem|st | and yes, one part of the contest will be porting extras apps to SFOS | 12:30 |
| chem|st | or something alike | 12:30 |
| tadzik | awesome, I'll gladly contribute to that | 12:31 |
| chem|st | as jolla seems not to be interessted in maemo events we might need to buy some Jollas as prizes our own^^ | 12:32 |
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| Sail0r | does anyone know the dbus trigger to clear a notification? | 13:05 |
| SK_work | Sail0r: to clear a notification ? | 13:08 |
| SK_work | you need to know an id | 13:08 |
| Sail0r | I need to know the id of the notification? And afterwards I can clear? | 13:08 |
| Sail0r | that's not the problem but where to send ? | 13:08 |
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| SK_work | Sail0r: org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.CloseNotification(uid) | 13:10 |
| SK_work | Sail0r: use qdbus | 13:10 |
| SK_work | it is your friend | 13:10 |
| Sail0r | sounds good thx :) | 13:10 |
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| pdanek | Is N900 keyboard backlighted? | 13:11 |
| pdanek | I can't remember. | 13:11 |
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| dunp | yes it is | 13:17 |
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| eyea_UK | yes | 13:24 |
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| pdanek | In the past, there was mute as far I remember, during incoming call. | 13:45 |
| pdanek | Now it's all hidden under ignore, so 1st I click ignore and it goes mute. | 13:45 |
| pdanek | Why such confusion? | 13:45 |
| pdanek | Most of people who see ignore = decline, right? | 13:46 |
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| cb400f | I expect with ignore, that the person at the other end, won't know that you hung up on them | 13:48 |
| cb400f | so different than just decline/hang up | 13:48 |
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| XenoPL | hi, did anyone experienced very high battery usage (1500 - 2200 mW) when mobile data is on? | 13:50 |
| XenoPL | Phone fully updated, regular power usage (with wifi on ) is about 400-500 mW | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | where did you see the mW usage? | 13:50 |
| chem|st | "silent on flip phone" is needed - the phone is badly layouted | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | just to make sure where you're measuring | 13:51 |
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| XenoPL | enable mobile data, use Hunger Meter app (confirmed with rapid battery drainage, and noticeable higher temp of the phone back - it's getting quite warm) | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | 2g, 3g, 4g? | 13:53 |
| XenoPL | no matter, my operator supports 2G/3G, even if I forced it to 2G only it suck power like crazy | 13:54 |
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| XenoPL | i'm not sure but it could be triggered by last update, in the past I had no problems with battery life even if I had both wifi and mobile data constantly on | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | ok, any accounts/IM accounts? | 13:55 |
| XenoPL | accounts - 1x gtalk, email 1xgoogle, 2ximap | 13:56 |
| Sail0r | Ok dismissing notifications via dbus is no problem :) | 13:57 |
| cb400f | recently my phone started using a lot of battery.. but I just rebooted and the problem went away, so I never bothered to research which process/component caused it | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | ok, try to disable those and see if mW changes | 13:57 |
| Sail0r | but the email clients bevhaviour when having more then one unread email is not the way I like it | 13:57 |
| Sail0r | it afterwards only sends out "x new messages" and no from and subject anymore | 13:58 |
| pdanek | Is it possible to use push Gmail feature via native email client? | 13:58 |
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| pdanek | Is that push gmail proprietary stuff, or it can be easily implemented in email clients? | 13:59 |
| XenoPL | Stskeeps: something has changed because I use this setup for last half a year and it started in last few weeks | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | i'm just trying to help you narrow down where the issue may lay which in turn helps me | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | did you at any point activate hotspot functionality? | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | during the current session | 14:01 |
| XenoPL | let me reboot the phone and try to rule it out | 14:02 |
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| Sail0r | https://together.jolla.com/question/53116/dbus-email-notifications/ | 14:09 |
| XenoPL | full reboot, battery pulled out: wifi: ~500mW, mobile data: 800-1200mW | 14:11 |
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| XenoPL | Stskeeps: with gtalk offiline power usage is back to normal usage (~500mW). It seems there's a bug that prevent gsm transmitter reciever using powersvaing features | 14:16 |
| tbr | that's a jump to conclusions. I can think of several scenarios causing this. | 14:18 |
| tbr | XenoPL: how many people do you have in your g+ circles / gtalk contact list? | 14:18 |
| chem|st | pdanek: no push-email yet, at least not for imap (I do not use gmail) | 14:18 |
| chem|st | tbr: updating contacts? | 14:19 |
| tbr | chem|st: come again? | 14:19 |
| XenoPL | tbr: ~40 | 14:19 |
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| tbr | XMPP, especially the gtalk variety can be extremely noisy for a multitude of reasons | 14:20 |
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| XenoPL | i wonder why it won't affect when i'm on wifi | 14:21 |
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| tbr | possible scenarios are: a contact is "flapping"; many contacts are quite active and cause a constant data flow; other source of constant xmpp data flow | 14:21 |
| tbr | XenoPL: because wifi and modem have different power consumption profiles | 14:22 |
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| tbr | especially if your phone is on GPRS or EDGE, then a frequent data flow will do bad-things™ to your power budget, but also 3G, it will prevent the modem to reach the low power states, which means higher current draw. | 14:23 |
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| AL13N_work | tbr: so the 4G will allow lower power states? | 14:24 |
| tbr | AL13N_work: that's out of context. | 14:25 |
| tbr | 4G probably also uses something akin to the WCDMA RRC | 14:25 |
| tbr | it might be better at managing power states as it's engineered for IP traffic | 14:26 |
| tbr | but that's speculation | 14:26 |
| XenoPL | unless there's traffic even when users are idle (not even status change) there's not much going on. I can see it on my lappy (KDE-telepathy) | 14:26 |
| tbr | XenoPL: turn on the XML console of your XMPP client to see the traffic | 14:27 |
| AL13N_work | tbr: it's just you said that GPRS, EDGE and even 3G will prevent modem to reach low power states? | 14:27 |
| AL13N_work | tbr: is there anything left besides 4G then? | 14:27 |
| tbr | AL13N_work: you are either misunderstanding what I said or leaving out the point you're trying to make. as such your question doesn't make sense. | 14:28 |
| AL13N_work | i'm going for misunderstanding | 14:28 |
| AL13N_work | tbr: from your earlier statement, i was wondering what state of the modem would allow to reach the low power states | 14:29 |
| tbr | AL13N_work: you might want to read up about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Resource_Control | 14:29 |
| AL13N_work | ok | 14:29 |
| chem|st | XenoPL: when I start up powertop in fingerterm with mdata active it tells me 1.4W and 4 hours left... but did not loose more than 10% in 7h | 14:30 |
| tbr | how reliable is powertop with the very aggressive power saving that the device is doing? | 14:31 |
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| XenoPL | tbr: XML console - where I can find it? some console tool in repos? | 14:32 |
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| AL13N_work | "not all operators use the PCH states" --> hmm | 14:33 |
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| AL13N_work | funny that cellphone modem power usage is somehow dependant upon what operator you have :-/ | 14:34 |
| tbr | AL13N_work: yes, it's highly operator dependant and timer values are often considered "secret sauce" | 14:34 |
| tbr | XenoPL: my desktop client (psi) has that | 14:34 |
| tbr | no idea how to get to that on telepathy based clients | 14:34 |
| tbr | AL13N_work: that's been already the way on GSM in the 90s, but general public rarely takes notice | 14:35 |
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| AL13N_work | tbr: i don't doubt it, sadly | 14:41 |
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| tbr | recently it's becoming really funky as the network gear manufacturers start to come up with dynamically parametrized networks | 14:44 |
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| AL13N_work | is this this "vectoring" i've heard about on my dsl line? | 14:48 |
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| tbr | AL13N_work: no. that's a bit like asking if theres's an wankel engine in an ICBM. Completely different technology. | 14:49 |
| AL13N_work | it sounded something like dynamic parameterisation though | 14:50 |
| AL13N_work | but then i'm not that knowledgable about the lower levels of networks | 14:51 |
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| tbr | AL13N_work: yeah, both things use the word "dynamic", that's about where the similarity ends though. :) | 14:54 |
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| XenoPL | tbr: I've instaled psi and launched console, so far pretty much quiet (26 status change message in 10 minutes, 3 of them pushing images) | 15:01 |
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| tbr | XenoPL: ok, then that might not be the issue. it would now be time to break out something like tcpdump to look at the raw traffic. If it isn't that then trace telepathy, etc. | 15:03 |
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| XenoPL | I think i'll try to downgrade phone to 1.0.7 and compare the results | 15:04 |
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| chem|st | tbr: are you talking about dynamic cell management? | 15:06 |
| tbr | chem|st: yeah, never looked deeper into that, but it sounded pretty crazy. Especially compared to how stability oriented operators traditionally are. | 15:07 |
| chem|st | no idea what it is called, but it sounds like a powersaving feature | 15:07 |
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| tbr | chem|st: it's about dynamic cell activity and parameter management. If you have e.g. massive amounts of people in one spot (rush hour) you want the network to behave differently than if there is next to nobody (night) | 15:09 |
| chem|st | AL13N_work: vectoring is vectorshifting to separate data, waht tbr was refering to is more like active cells are moving with a commuting mass in the morning | 15:09 |
| chem|st | tbr: exactly | 15:09 |
| tbr | which isn't so much about power saving, but about squeezing more bandwidth out of your existing resource (spectrum) | 15:10 |
| chem|st | tbr: yeah, it can be powersaving, somewhere it was described as on the hardwarelevel where it actually can mean that antennas up to whole systems are set in idle mode | 15:12 |
| tbr | yeah, you could have micro/pico/femto filler cells that don't need to be powered up outside peak usage | 15:13 |
| tbr | that would save power | 15:13 |
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| chem|st | it is comparable to clustercomputing on a larger scale... | 15:16 |
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| TMavica | http://jolla.com/zh-hk 9 hours count down | 15:32 |
| ln- | looks like 14 hours here | 15:35 |
| TMavica | here is 9 | 15:36 |
| TMavica | 9:00 am on time sell | 15:36 |
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| Sail0r | does the email client have a dbus interface from which I can get newest messages and mark them read? | 15:47 |
| SK_work | Sail0r: don't think so | 15:48 |
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| SK_work | but check if there is a qmf interface in qdbus | 15:49 |
| Sail0r | ok | 15:49 |
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| SK_work | Sail0r: checked: no :( | 15:49 |
| Sail0r | :x | 15:49 |
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| Sail0r | damn ^^ | 15:49 |
| Sail0r | it could have been an option to get the actual subject and from address when the notification does not provide | 15:50 |
| Sail0r | them | 15:50 |
| SK_work | Sail0r: sorry | 15:51 |
| Sail0r | maybe Jolla has time to improve the notification interface in the future :) | 15:51 |
| SK_work | Sail0r: yep | 15:52 |
| SK_work | bb hub is good | 15:52 |
| SK_work | hope that jolla takes inspiration from it | 15:52 |
| Sail0r | The notifications are not that bad at the moment when you receive only one notification for example for mails | 15:53 |
| Sail0r | but afterwards they are useless for parsing or sending them to wearables | 15:53 |
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| SK_work | Sail0r: hehe | 15:55 |
| Sail0r | that's the way of Jolla to tell you "You get too much mails" ;) | 15:55 |
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| Sail0r | :x http://thehackernews.com/2014/08/nsa-proof-blackphone-gets-rooted-within_11.html | 16:12 |
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| SK_work | Sail0r: NSA proof Jolla phone gets rooted within ... 0s ? :D | 16:16 |
| Sail0r | hihi | 16:16 |
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| tbr | the blackphone is a curious thing anyway | 16:18 |
| tbr | last time I checked they touted all those cryptographers on staff but had no intention to have their code open to be audited | 16:18 |
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| Sail0r | hm sailfish on kindle fire hd would be awesome | 16:42 |
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| pdanek | Is it possible to tether wifi connection via wifi? :O | 17:21 |
| pdanek | I thought impossible. | 17:21 |
| pdanek | BUt now I had such situation. | 17:21 |
| pdanek | Connected to wifi and sharing via tethering and my laptop connected to phone. | 17:22 |
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