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| TMavica_Jolla | Ordered a VIP limited Pack Jolla in Hong Kong! | 06:06 |
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| tadzik | what's a VIP Limited pack? | 06:08 |
| TMavica_Jolla | a black box | 06:08 |
| kimmoli | http://www.three.com.hk/website/appmanager/three/home?_nfpb=true&pageid=f41011&_pageLabel=P600193131219996753703&lang=eng | 06:09 |
| gexc | with HK charger? :-P | 06:10 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | dont know | 06:10 |
| TMavica_Jolla | sell in 3 at 12/8 | 06:10 |
| TMavica_Jolla | 3HK | 06:10 |
| gexc | any possibility for a hacker edition black box? just like N900 | 06:11 |
| tadzik | wow, neat | 06:11 |
| TMavica_Jolla | i dont know, just order, no think too much | 06:12 |
| tadzik | the fact that Taj Mahal is tilted in the wrong direction on jolla.com makes me feel uneasy | 06:12 |
| * gexc just guessing LOL | 06:12 | |
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| NickLeu | jolla launch hk | 07:42 |
| NickLeu | exclusive on 3hk | 07:42 |
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| kimmoli | why i always read that fingertattoos as FAIL | 07:54 |
| coderus | :D | 07:55 |
| coderus | read as FATE | 07:55 |
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| tbr | I wonder why they reused that hand. It looked weird on the india ad, but there I guessed it was something cultural(?). But now they shopped it into the HK background too | 07:58 |
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| NickLeu | whose hands do they used? | 08:05 |
| NickLeu | marc's? | 08:05 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | any Jolla sailor will be at Jolla meeting at 12/8 in Hong Kong? | 08:07 |
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| NickLeu | i'd love to | 08:14 |
| fishegg | I guess it is only available for Hong Kong residents? | 08:14 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | No idea. the web didnt mention | 08:16 |
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| NickLeu | TMavica_Jolla: you register? | 08:17 |
| TMavica_Jolla | yes! | 08:17 |
| TMavica_Jolla | although i already got my Jolla | 08:17 |
| TMavica_Jolla | lol | 08:17 |
| TMavica_Jolla | just register first, see whether what happen on that day | 08:18 |
| NickLeu | TMavica_Jolla: i'm wondering if it's available that night yet | 08:18 |
| NickLeu | if not i may have to go later | 08:18 |
| fishegg | because I saw the register website ask people to select the operator of your phone now | 08:19 |
| TMavica_Jolla | it said yes | 08:19 |
| NickLeu | i dont understand | 08:19 |
| TMavica_Jolla | yes. mine is smartone...not 3hk | 08:19 |
| NickLeu | 3hk itself ask ppl to choose operator? | 08:20 |
| NickLeu | what's that supposed to mean | 08:20 |
| fishegg | but there is no operator of mainland China :) | 08:20 |
| TMavica_Jolla | nickleu: would u like to join our whatsapp group? | 08:20 |
| TMavica_Jolla | u r hk? | 08:20 |
| NickLeu | got no whatsapp | 08:20 |
| TMavica_Jolla | ok | 08:21 |
| gexc | china unicom perhaps :-/ | 08:21 |
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| * artemma figured Jolla enters HongKong through some operator - good news, operators are very important! | 08:21 | |
| artemma | depends on the operator size though | 08:21 |
| meklu | as long as it isn't SIM-locked, sure | 08:23 |
| NickLeu | TMavica_Jolla: have you tried out 4g network? | 08:24 |
| gexc | any contract-free possibilities? | 08:25 |
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| NickLeu | gexc: i check out 3hk website, seems the answer is no | 08:26 |
| gexc | O_o | 08:26 |
| gexc | so, is jolla lockable then? | 08:27 |
| NickLeu | i dont think so | 08:27 |
| gexc | seems not likely - - | 08:27 |
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| Universebenzene | Don't thing so either... | 08:27 |
| NickLeu | phones sold in finland arent locked anyway | 08:27 |
| Universebenzene | Yeah. | 08:28 |
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| gexc | maybe the phones sold in HK are still jan2014 batch | 08:33 |
| gexc | :D | 08:33 |
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| Universebenzene1 | ...Maybe | 08:34 |
| gexc | more then half a yr in warehouses LOL | 08:36 |
| Universebenzene1 | >_> | 08:36 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | NickLeu: yes. smartone 4g | 08:39 |
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| iamtew | what's the differences between batches? | 08:44 |
| gexc | maybe small fixes? | 08:44 |
| tadzik | they ship the piece of paper for you to stick next to the battery :o | 08:45 |
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| NickLeu | system upgrade? | 08:46 |
| tadzik | I ordered my Jolla like a month ago, and I had one of the first OS versions that was barely working :P | 08:46 |
| gexc | no sys upgrade at least according to the leaked units on taobao | 08:46 |
| lainwir3d | tadzik: haha, that would be fun. | 08:46 |
| gexc | but not sure about the official ones | 08:47 |
| lainwir3d | a piece of paper labeled "Jolla battery hot fix" | 08:47 |
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| gexc | are jan14 ones still affected by that contact issue? | 08:48 |
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| * tbr still thinks that actually cleaning battery terminals and device side contact pins _properly_ is the more sensible option. Still can stick in the paper to increase tension ofc. | 08:52 | |
| tbr | it reproducibly helped someone who had serious spontaneous shutdown problems | 08:53 |
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| gexc | maybe just increase the size of the batteries | 08:53 |
| lainwir3d | tbr: what do you clean it with ? I didn't try that. | 08:54 |
| tbr | lainwir3d: either dedicated contact surface cleaner or something that removes oxide and doesn't leave any residue. | 08:55 |
| lainwir3d | All right. I'll look for that. Thanks | 08:55 |
| tbr | I'd probably try a _hard_ rubber eraser (the blue side of the red/blue ones) | 08:55 |
| tbr | or _gently_ go over the surface with a metal object like a screw driver | 08:56 |
| gexc | are there newer units after jan14? | 08:56 |
| tbr | also exercise great caution to avoid touching it with your fingers, the grease/fat will spoil the surface | 08:56 |
| lainwir3d | the battery contacts should be easy. But I should be careful with the one on the phone, they probably more fragile. | 08:56 |
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| tbr | it really doesn't need much work. just a bit that would scrub any oxide layer off either side | 08:57 |
| lainwir3d | my reboots are mostly gone with the paper. But it happens from time to time. | 08:58 |
| tbr | lainwir3d: let me guess, 2G connectivity, at the beginning of a call or on text message or while sending/receiving data | 08:59 |
| lainwir3d | Yeah, might be happening on 2G while on the subway. | 08:59 |
| lainwir3d | I guess it's that. Known behaviour ? | 09:00 |
| tbr | that's a typical current spike situation. Any oxide layer or anything else introducing impedance will have a significant voltage drop. The power management then realizes OMGWTF battery empty! below damage threshold! OFF! OFF! | 09:01 |
| tbr | while the batter is actually just fine | 09:01 |
| tbr | GSM is pulsed and in low reception areas the phone needs a lot of ower in very short pulses | 09:02 |
| meklu | hmm, maybe it should have a somewhat longer 'OMGWTF' threshold then | 09:02 |
| tbr | meklu: no, it should have clean contacts. the threshold is perfectly fine | 09:02 |
| lainwir3d | tbr: ok, I guess I really need to try to clean the contacts then. | 09:03 |
| meklu | eh, oh well | 09:03 |
| tbr | If the voltage is e.g. below 2.9V then a single cell power management circuit MUST turn off immediately to prevent damage to the battery | 09:03 |
| lainwir3d | and sometimes, if it reboots, then It will reboot every time I enter the pin code until I remove the battery 10minutes | 09:03 |
| meklu | for the record, I haven't had any reboot issues with my device from the january '14 batch | 09:04 |
| tbr | and there is no way to know if it's an oxide layer that just shaved 0.3V off your measurement or if the battery became critical | 09:04 |
| * tbr never had reboot issues, ever and my devices are from the very very first batch | 09:04 | |
| * lainwir3d is powering off his jolla to clean the contacts. | 09:05 | |
| meklu | I've got a 16 day 4 hour uptime right now, which means it's been constantly running since the Tahkalampi upgrade | 09:05 |
| lainwir3d | mine should be from the end of december batch. | 09:06 |
| gexc | tbr: are the contact pins easily oxidized? | 09:06 |
| kimmoli | i did someday suggest that we should make some survey from e.g. battery dimensions or other variances | 09:06 |
| tbr | gexc: depends on some factors, shape, environmental factors like temperature and humidity (humidity even through sweat in your pant pocket), surface pressure, contact materials, etc. | 09:08 |
| gexc | well... | 09:08 |
| * gexc is going to clean them anyway :-/ | 09:09 | |
| tbr | the paper padding increases tension, that can help deal with contact problems, but cleaning the surfaces doesn't hurt | 09:09 |
| tbr | it could be even something totally freaky, like an alloy contamination on either side of the contacts in one of the batches, current flow then would lead to actually an oxide build up at the faintest humidity | 09:11 |
| lainwir3d | hmmm | 09:13 |
| tbr | and as said, one guy whom had this issue and had tried padding, cleaned the contacts and then at his low 2G covered cottage had no issues anymore. So I say it's a possible factor and cleaning the contacts doesn't hurt. | 09:13 |
| lainwir3d | my coworker add some oxide removal stuff | 09:13 |
| * gexc just cleaned with pure alcohol | 09:14 | |
| lainwir3d | I guess we have the same problem sometimes with our products ;) | 09:15 |
| kimmoli | https://app.younited.com/?shareObject=6bb32d8f-8555-f1b9-6a58-115285f45277 | 09:15 |
| kimmoli | poor pics... sometimes i wish i had this issue, so i could investigate it :p | 09:16 |
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| tbr | lainwir3d: hehe :) | 09:18 |
| tbr | kimmoli: same here... | 09:19 |
| tbr | kimmoli: I was really happy to find someone with understanding of electronics to try my contact cleaning theory and it worked perfectly for them | 09:19 |
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| kimmoli | they are (or at least look) gold plated on both sides, so that is good for low currents < 10mA | 09:20 |
| kimmoli | but i would prefer two separately springloaded contacts for each powerline there | 09:20 |
| tbr | kimmoli: sure it's not just brass? | 09:21 |
| kimmoli | no one should use that | 09:21 |
| lainwir3d | honestly, mine looked quite clean. I don't know how oxide looks like. | 09:21 |
| tbr | it could be a super thin layer | 09:21 |
| kimmoli | typically greenishwhite | 09:21 |
| kimmoli | but as tbr said, if you can see it... | 09:21 |
| tbr | the other possible thing could be spring tension of the contacts | 09:22 |
| tbr | _if_ cleaning doesn't help I'd probably _super_ *gently* try bending the pins a bit to make them press harder | 09:22 |
| kimmoli | they are U loop | 09:22 |
| kimmoli | not bendable | 09:22 |
| lainwir3d | well, let's just solder the pins then | 09:23 |
| lainwir3d | ;) | 09:23 |
| meklu | and then you forget about the procedure and accidentally tear out half the electronics the next time you're removing the battery :) | 09:23 |
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| lainwir3d | haha | 09:24 |
| tbr | that's what they do for built in batteries. wire and plug. | 09:24 |
| tbr | much better contact characteristics | 09:24 |
| kimmoli | there is still connector :) | 09:24 |
| kimmoli | why they dont use these blade terminals, with contact on both sides | 09:25 |
| tbr | yeah, nokia standardized on that for all their removables | 09:25 |
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| tbr | after they've traditionally had lots of contact issues. remember the factory installed rubber pads in the 6x10 series? :) | 09:26 |
| Jope | yep.. 6310 was the first one | 09:31 |
| Jope | and it notoriously didn't have batt problems | 09:31 |
| Jope | before that you had to tighten the battery rails manually every now and then .. :-D | 09:31 |
| Jope | I just used a screwdriver and squashed them a bit on the battery side, that made it snug for a while | 09:31 |
| kimmoli | hmm this looks like jolla connector http://www.te.com/catalog/pn/en/2229056-1 | 09:31 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | hi sailors | 09:32 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I saw advertisement for india and HK | 09:32 |
| dr_gogeta86 | Inverted colorscheme is coming ? | 09:33 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | kimmoli, find a vibramotor replacement | 09:33 |
| dr_gogeta86 | for me | 09:33 |
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| kimmoli | äh | 09:36 |
| kimmoli | dr_gogeta86: i would need to disassemble my precious to get some details about it first | 09:39 |
| dr_gogeta86 | kimmoli, but a canbus converter otherhalf ? | 09:40 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ;-) | 09:40 |
| kimmoli | O_o | 09:40 |
| dr_gogeta86 | di you know can bus ? | 09:40 |
| kimmoli | yep | 09:40 |
| till- | anyone else having problems with vibration? my jolla only vibrate if there are android notifications since a few days | 09:42 |
| dr_gogeta86 | till mine is a motor problem ... | 09:42 |
| till- | yes i thought so as well, but just right now i got an android notification and it did vibrate | 09:42 |
| till- | and i read something somewhere about a general vibration problem with the last sailfish version | 09:43 |
| till- | don't want to send it in for repair :( | 09:45 |
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| chem|st | what does "you can reset the original sounds by reinstalling the ambience" work? I now see "Ringtone Ringtone" kinda entries instead of "black-ringtone" | 10:16 |
| chem|st | I just reinstalled the ambiences, no change | 10:17 |
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| chem|st | the whole thing is borked | 10:20 |
| chem|st | the only "downloadable" ambience that does have all of one kind is the first one... all others seem to have Ringtone Calendar and Clock in $Variable and all others in $file eg aloe-imtone | 10:21 |
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| ecloud | mjones: https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/63308/ | 11:46 |
| ecloud | or do you really have time to get TouchArea done? Or should I copy the code myself, rip out mouse-specific stuff and then maybe it will be ready quite soon? | 11:47 |
| ecloud | the 5.4 window is closing fast, and this has been in the works for a couple of years now | 11:47 |
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| mjones | I'll have a proper look tomorrow. It's enough for me to remove the -2, but it saddens me to see this done to MouseArea. | 11:51 |
| mjones | I think taking what you've done, renaming TouchArea, removing mouse specifics and adding scoping is the correct solution, but I can't see it happening for 5.4 | 11:51 |
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| Bysmyyr | https://together.jolla.com/question/52420/connect-dialog-release-temporary-orientation-lock/ | 11:54 |
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| SK_work | Bysmyyr: reproduced | 11:57 |
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| Bysmyyr | https://together.jolla.com/question/52421/disable-connection-dialog/ | 12:04 |
| Bysmyyr | traveling abroad shows new things :) | 12:04 |
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| ecloud | mjones: why is it so sad? | 12:23 |
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| flux | nice, I've accidentally pocket-restarted an internet stream | 13:13 |
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| flux | and also pocket-set the volume to zero | 13:14 |
| flux | result: 3% battery left | 13:14 |
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| flux | I was wondering what the blip-sound was. the screen didn't come on nor was there any message there, I should have looked at the %.. (which isn't visible in the home screen without swiping, nor is the reason visible in notifications) | 13:15 |
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| Teme | hmm, why have approx. 50% of the albums on my Jolla suddenly fallen under "unknown artist" in media player, they used to be okay and i didn't change any of them :( | 13:55 |
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| Teme | hmm, i ran tracker-control -se as suggested here https://together.jolla.com/question/50744/media-no-longer-recognising-album-info-after-update-10819/ | 14:01 |
| Teme | at first _all_ albums appeared under unknown artist, but it took a while to index or some such and now it's okay :) | 14:02 |
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| tadzik | I still have all the albumarts wrong | 14:05 |
| Teme | oh, for me all of them are correct and actually look very neat on the active cover | 14:07 |
| Teme | don't like it so much when the cover covers most of the screen when you go to an album and play it | 14:08 |
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