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| CraigA | how do you trigger the lpm screen | 02:31 |
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| CraigA | i've enabled it, but it seems to randomly show/disappear | 02:31 |
| Eztran | It should be triggered by the proximity sensor being uncovered. Designed to show up when you pull it out of a pocket or whatever, I think. Waving a hand over might help. | 02:32 |
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| spiiroin | CraigA: a) "out-of-pocket" = proximity covered >= 3 secs, then uncovered b) "wave over sensor" = proximity uncovered >= 3 secs; then covered and uncovered within 1.5 seconds | 03:57 |
| CraigA | yeah thanks a lot | 03:57 |
| CraigA | i was going to thank Eztran but he left | 03:58 |
| CraigA | or she | 03:58 |
| spiiroin | (b) is a bit problematic since if the movement is too fast, it will not register -> stop the hand for a moment | 03:58 |
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| Teme | it seems that there is some "deep sleep" that the device enters after a long time idle - the proximity sensor refresh interval (and therefore the hand stop length) is 4 seconds or so | 08:01 |
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| Teme | if you've used it recently, the "jedi mind trick" hand waving is pretty smooth :) | 08:02 |
| SK_work | Teme: indeed, there is the deep sleep | 08:02 |
| SK_work | where basically everything is blocked | 08:02 |
| Teme | i wonder if the lpm could override the proximity sensor default interval.. | 08:03 |
| SK_work | Teme: don't think so | 08:03 |
| Teme | now the lpm is neat, but not really usable in my scenario where i have the phone on my desk and wanna just wave over it for a peek at the clock | 08:03 |
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| kimmoli | proximity sensor makes interrupt when threshold values are exceeded, and it wakes phone from sleep. If there is some timeout how long it has to be covered before uncovering activates glance screen, it's somewhere in sw. | 08:52 |
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| Milo- | heh.. my phone did something freaky last night and it has a funny side effect.. I can't make a call (network error), but I can receive a call.. Also I can't establish mobile data internet connection. A reboot probably fixes this, but sweet. | 09:03 |
| Milo- | a reboot indeed worked. just a random death in something | 09:04 |
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| iamtew | good afternoon :-) | 09:45 |
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| SK_work | morning ! | 09:46 |
| SK_work | iamtew: still morning here | 09:46 |
| iamtew | ah, it's about noon here | 09:47 |
| merlin1991 | Ugt!! | 09:48 |
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| merlin1991 | As in http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 09:49 |
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| Teme2 | :D | 09:50 |
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| z1 | hi, is setting an ambience the normal way to silence the jolla? If so, is it possible to set "no vibrate" on an ambience? I couldn't see any option to do so. | 10:01 |
| z1 | ok, sorry, was being dumb. there's an option in settings to tell it to only vibrate when making a sound. I'd still rather have that option in the ambience itself though, as I'd like one ambience which is silent with no vibrate, and another that is silent with vibrate | 10:03 |
| Teme | haven't tested it, but what happens if you set the ambience you don't want to vibrate to have "no sound" as ringtone and put the setting to vibrate on sounds | 10:05 |
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| Sidde | there is a bug with the vibration in the latest sailfish version. keep that in mind | 10:06 |
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| Sidde | So it won't vibrate unless you set it to touch screen vibration | 10:07 |
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| mdxth | z1, there is "silence sounds" option in the lock screen pulley menu | 10:07 |
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| iamtew | just received my Jolla a little while ago.. quite nice, I like the UI and how to navigate it | 10:18 |
| z1 | mdxth: good point - didn't see that, sorry | 10:18 |
| iamtew | seems like there's many different app-stores.. Jolla Store, OpenRepos, Harbour.. hm | 10:20 |
| Sidde | Jolla Store is the officiall one. Harbour is that store | 10:22 |
| Sidde | Harbour is to were you send the application to be published in the jolla store | 10:23 |
| Sidde | OpenRepos is a third party store. Installing libs and stuff from it can break the system | 10:23 |
| iamtew | ah, that makes it a bit clearer, thanks :) | 10:24 |
| iamtew | after some googling, seems OpenRepos is people publishing apps that hasn't been approved on Harbour yet, so it's like "beta" or "no QA'd" apps I guess | 10:25 |
| Sidde | iamtew: then you got all those Android Stores too. Just install one you like and download applications like any android device | 10:25 |
| iamtew | yes but I don't want Android apps | 10:25 |
| SK_work | iamtew: plus stuff that's not allowed on harbour | 10:25 |
| SK_work | (some libs) | 10:25 |
| iamtew | okay | 10:26 |
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| Teme | kimmoli: i gave the sources a peek and i'd say sensord controls the proximity sensor refresh interval while the device is in deep sleep and mce can't override it | 10:34 |
| Teme | then again i'm not a c programmer and have no idea about the architecture :P | 10:34 |
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| spiiroin | Teme: kimmoli: afaik some kind of automatic thresholding is used in proximity sensor itself (or driver side) and sensord does not change anything. but, in late suspend the sensor is put to less power hungry state (from kernel side) -> that might cause some slowness | 10:46 |
| spiiroin | ... and mce does not believe it is uncovered unless it stays that way for half a sec or so | 10:47 |
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| kimmoli | ok, then it must be the proximity wait time (something between 2.73 ms to 8.4 sec) dont have sources handy atm, so cant check what is programmed to the registers | 10:53 |
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| iamtew | so.. I can't seem to get the ssh server working on the device | 11:48 |
| iamtew | can ping it via the usb cable | 11:48 |
| iamtew | but on the Jolla, under Developer tools the Save button for SSH server is not clickable | 11:48 |
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| giucam | iamtew: the save button there is for the password | 11:50 |
| Teme | anyone using mosh on Jolla? how do i enable line wrapping? | 11:51 |
| pahartik | iamtew: Add or remove character from password? | 11:51 |
| iamtew | ah, okay! silly me.. I put a password now, could click save, the password turned in to little * | 11:51 |
| iamtew | still connection refused though.. | 11:51 |
| Teme | nvm my last question, i used screen -rx instead of -dr | 11:52 |
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| iamtew | very odd, I'm certain it's the correct IP and over correct link. | 11:54 |
| iamtew | I got the MAC back from the phone and it is the correct one on the device I'm trying to get in to | 11:54 |
| Teme | iamtew: which user are you trying to log in as ? | 11:54 |
| iamtew | nemo | 11:55 |
| iamtew | but that doesn't matter because the server is refusing me, ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.15 port 22: Connection refused | 11:55 |
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| goroboro | I never tried getting in via the usb cable... can you ssh in via wlan? | 11:56 |
| iamtew | wait a moment.. I think I was supposed to restart the device after enabling the developer tools, not sure I did that | 11:56 |
| Teme | iamtew: that's probably it | 11:56 |
| iamtew | wlan will be my last option, as I'm not able to connect to a private wlan here | 11:57 |
| iamtew | I will give it a restart and see how it goes first | 11:57 |
| goroboro | mmm restart may be what you need | 11:57 |
| iamtew | oh jeez, I've had the thing for 3 hours and I've already dirtied up the camera-lens.. :) | 11:58 |
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| Teme | at least you didn't manage to scratch it yet :P | 11:58 |
| pahartik | iamtew: "netstat -nap | less" would indicate whether "SSH daemon" is listening for connections | 11:59 |
| iamtew | restart did it | 12:00 |
| iamtew | :) | 12:00 |
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| Wnt | Do images on facebook on sailfish browser overflow like this on everyone? http://upload.egarden.fi/mobile_facebook_on_sailfish_browser.png | 12:14 |
| Skorpy | yup | 12:15 |
| Wnt | on Android's Firefox the do not: http://upload.egarden.fi/mobile_facebook_on_android_firefox.png | 12:20 |
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| Hartzi | Wnt: yes they does | 12:25 |
| Hartzi | always have | 12:25 |
| Hartzi | very annoying.. | 12:25 |
| Wnt | anyone know how to change the sailfish browser's user agent? | 12:27 |
| Wnt | I tried adding line: general.useragent.override = "Mozilla/5.0 (Android; Mobile; rv:31.0) Gecko/31.0 Firefox/31.0"; to ~/.mozilla/mozembed/prefs.js | 12:28 |
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| Wnt | but when I start the browser that file gets replaced | 12:29 |
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| Wnt | found those instructions from: https://together.jolla.com/question/1890/feature-request-user-agents-for-jolla-browser-open-website-as-desktopmobile/#post-id-14626 but like the comments on that answer, it doesn't seem to work | 12:32 |
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| Wnt | and navigating to about:config results in a un-zoomable unresponsive warning page | 12:38 |
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| Wnt | ok, seems that if I use the correct syntax in that file (user_pref("general.useragent.override", "Mozilla/5.0 (Android; Mobile; rv:31.0) Gecko/31.0 Firefox/31.0");) it doesn't get overwritten, but still doesn't affect the browser's user agent string | 12:45 |
| Hartzi | have you tried webcat and facebook? Does it work better | 12:50 |
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| pahartik | Wnt: In that file I have 'user_pref("javascript.enabled", false);' and 'user_pref("permissions.default.image", 2);', they have expected effect... | 12:52 |
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| Wnt | Hartzi: Webcat won't open the frontpage of touch.facebook.com as it seems to have syntax errors | 12:53 |
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| Hartzi | okay :/ | 12:54 |
| Eztran | Android FF has a cleaner-looking UA string than the desktop version. Then again, I guess getting it right is more important on mobile. | 12:54 |
| meklu | ha, facebook | 12:54 |
| meklu | I have very rarely bumped into spec-abiding user agents | 12:55 |
| meklu | or rather, user agent strings | 12:55 |
| meklu | everyone gets it wrong! | 12:55 |
| meklu | it's supposed to be a series of 'ProductToken/Version (optional comment)', the most significant one first | 12:56 |
| meklu | i.e. 'Firefox/31.0 (https://www.mozilla.org/) Gecko/8029472074923' | 12:57 |
| meklu | but alas, no one gives a fuck | 12:57 |
| meklu | which is annoying | 12:57 |
| Eztran | It'll very often start Mozilla/x.0, that's Netscape's 'fault'. | 12:57 |
| Eztran | then generally sites just check mobile/desktop anyway. | 12:58 |
| pahartik | Wnt: I tried 'user_pref("general.useragent.override", "Lynx/2.8.8dev.12 libwww-FM/2.14 SSL-MM/1.4.1 GNUTLS/2.12.18 PowerPC/7400");', no effect | 12:59 |
| Eztran | I mean, Gecko/whateverthetrailis Firefox/31.0 BrowserName/31.0 doesn't really tell you anything more than the Gecko version and occasionally FF version does. | 12:59 |
| Eztran | Hmm, one would think if any UA string made a difference, a Lynx one would =) | 12:59 |
| meklu | I mean, these are utterly unacceptable: "GitHub Hookshot f3c60ab", "keybase.io UserAgent v0.0.39", "Mnogosearch-3.1.21", | 13:01 |
| meklu | disregard the trailing comma | 13:01 |
| pahartik | Eztran: I have never observed "facebook" content other than "unsupported browser" message, just wanted to see if user agent information can be changed | 13:01 |
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| Eztran | meklu: OK, yeah, that bears no relation to any normal UA ever. Probably just used internally. | 13:02 |
| meklu | those are hits on my server | 13:04 |
| meklu | it's fucking awful | 13:05 |
| Eztran | Given that none of them appear to be actual browsers, at least it's not you who needs to worry about what they see. | 13:06 |
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| pahartik | Eztran: I use "Privoxy", it supposedly can modify user agent information | 13:11 |
| pahartik | Eztran: (for me it removes all "script" elements) | 13:13 |
| Eztran | FWIW, just checked identical UA string override in a desktop FF, worked, so sailfish-browser is certainly ignoring that pref. | 13:14 |
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| coderus | general.useragent.override was dead very long time ago | 13:44 |
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| eyea_UK_ | jolla )0!1@ joh | 14:15 |
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| eyea_UK_ | how is everyone | 14:15 |
| eyea_UK_ | all good | 14:15 |
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| SK_work | eyea_UK_: good good | 14:19 |
| SK_work | Jolla expanding worldwide | 14:19 |
| SK_work | Italia, HK, Russia etc | 14:19 |
| SK_work | <3 | 14:19 |
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| eyea_UK_ | good | 14:29 |
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| iamtew | hm.. would it be possible to organize the app icons from the command line? :D | 14:47 |
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| Aard | iamtew: .config/nemomobile/lipstick.conf | 14:53 |
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| iamtew | ok thanks. do I need to reload it somehow to make the settings work? | 15:08 |
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| iamtew | erh, to update it I mean | 15:09 |
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| CraigA | are there any native 3rd party SIP clients for Jolla at the moment | 15:26 |
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| Jare | haven't heard of any native gui clients. However some say that for example zoiper for android works | 15:30 |
| tbr | CraigA: inbound calls work on telepathy if you enable the speaker in pulse audio config | 15:35 |
| CraigA | sweep | 15:35 |
| CraigA | sweet | 15:35 |
| CraigA | thanks | 15:35 |
| tbr | outbound can probably be made through some dbus incantations until someone from jolla fixes the dialer | 15:36 |
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| Jare | yup, the backend is there, gui is mostly missing | 15:40 |
| Yaniel | still no album covers | 15:44 |
| Yaniel | well, two work, but they are embedded in mp3 files | 15:44 |
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| Yaniel | mp3 files + cover.jpg shows up on the app cover but not the album listing | 15:45 |
| Yaniel | and the rest don't show at all | 15:45 |
| Yaniel | oh and tracker likes to segfault | 15:45 |
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| tadzik | a peculiar thing happened to me today. I dropped the phone, caught it mid-air, and then the led started blinking green and when I unlocked it afterwards all of my apps were closed :| | 20:01 |
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| giucam | lipstick restarted | 20:02 |
| giucam | i don't see how dropping the phone could have caused it... | 20:03 |
| tadzik | yeah, me neither | 20:05 |
| tadzik | sudden voltage drop because of battery being stupid? | 20:05 |
| giucam | i don't think so | 20:06 |
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| giucam | if the voltage drop i'd expect the phone to reboot, not lipstick | 20:06 |
| giucam | *drops | 20:06 |
| giucam | anyway your journalctl may give some clue | 20:07 |
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| tadzik | hm | 20:09 |
| tadzik | it says "no journal files were found" | 20:10 |
| giucam | as root? | 20:10 |
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| tadzik | oh, no | 20:11 |
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| tadzik | it says "Unhandled page fault", and then a couple of segfaults occur | 20:14 |
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| giucam | any hint of what could have caused it before that message? | 20:17 |
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| kimmoli | was the error something like this ? Jolla kernel: lipstick: unhandled page fault (11) at 0xbefb6000, code 0x017 | 20:19 |
| tadzik | kimmoli: that's rght | 20:20 |
| tadzik | giucam: nah | 20:20 |
| kimmoli | for me it was also asking this in journal; lipstick[968]: The Wayland connection broke. Did the Wayland compositor die? | 20:21 |
| tadzik | yes | 20:21 |
| tadzik | then sigsegv in lipstick | 20:21 |
| tadzik | after a LOT of logs | 20:21 |
| tadzik | in the same second | 20:21 |
| giucam | abuot what? can you pastebin it? | 20:21 |
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| tadzik | hm, probably | 20:28 |
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| tadzik | https://gist.githubusercontent.com/tadzik/22c86215a8188eab686f/raw/gistfile1.txt | 20:32 |
| tadzik | Jul 30 20:43:32 Jolla kernel: QSGRenderThread: unhandled page fault (11) at 0x0000003c, code 0x017 | 20:33 |
| giucam | there is no message for 47 seconds before the crash... | 20:35 |
| tadzik | yes | 20:39 |
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| giucam | i'm afraid i have no clue | 20:41 |
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| phlixi | someone ever got sound from soundcloud.com playing on jolla browser? | 21:01 |
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| artemma | I figured that if I want to see more commercial activity for Jolla, I should do something about it, so opening a consultancy - http://www.codingsubmarine.com/ | 22:49 |
| artemma | Point your friends who could be interested in porting/building apps there. Half a dozen of cool sailfish apps, some cool apps for other platforms (iOS, Android and beyond) and contacts for bigger projects | 22:50 |
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