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| thargor | good morning everyone | 07:03 |
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| thargor | I'm interested to build a note app (or something similar) which allows me to have an own note server or service... That I do not have to use a service like evernote or similar. Does anybody know if there is a standard available for something like CalDav or similar... | 07:03 |
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| inte | thargor: there is an app called "ownnotes" at openrepos afaik | 07:12 |
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| gexc | the author is angry with jolla now LOL | 07:14 |
| inte | oh | 07:15 |
| inte | ah true i read sth about that in his comments afair | 07:15 |
| gexc | no more updates perhaps | 07:15 |
| inte | i guess he even left similar comments at amazon.co.uk | 07:15 |
| inte | didnt quite figure out what his problem is | 07:16 |
| inte | btw. nokia here is beeing adapted to ubuntu phone at present | 07:16 |
| gexc | it's unfortunate he got a faulty unit :( | 07:16 |
| inte | well why wouldnt he swap it then? | 07:16 |
| entil | especially when I'm tired I fscking detest the touch keyboard | 07:17 |
| gexc | got another faulty one? | 07:17 |
| inte | regarding nokia here, i only wonder if there will be a release for jolla as well | 07:17 |
| entil | easier to write typos and an easily annoyed state of mind doesn't make fixing them any more fun | 07:17 |
| entil | inte: wut nokia adapted? what does that mean? | 07:17 |
| inte | nokia here | 07:18 |
| inte | maps | 07:18 |
| inte | and navigation | 07:18 |
| inte | its coming for ubuntu phone and tablet | 07:18 |
| entil | oh | 07:18 |
| entil | didn't parse that right ;D | 07:18 |
| Teme | dunp: there definitely is a demand in Finland for hw-keyboarded phones | 07:21 |
| Teme | that survey is focused on the US | 07:22 |
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| Teme | but because of Nokia there have been premium hwkb models available, i'm not sure which are the most popular in the US except for ZTE Blade | 07:23 |
| Teme | i guess Blackberries are more popular there but as he mentions that's not really a slideout | 07:23 |
| Teme | my dad and brother still use their Nokia E7s and they are constantly saying they'd make the switch because the S60 platform is dead and there are no apps, but they can't let go of the keyboard :D | 07:24 |
| Teme | i used to have a 5730 xpressmusic (the "hip" version of E75) for years before Jolla... still missing that slideout :( | 07:26 |
| inte | Teme on which survey are you referring to? | 07:27 |
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| Teme | 00:08:07 < dunp> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/07/28/1354211/lots-of-people-really-want-slideout-keyboard-phones-where-are-they | 07:27 |
| oh8gnz | E7 is a great phone when talking about kb | 07:27 |
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| Teme | it really is | 07:28 |
| dunp | i loved n900 keyboard and i like n810 keyboard too.. | 07:28 |
| dunp | I liked N900 keyboad more than E7 | 07:29 |
| oh8gnz | I liked e7 keyboard more than those because of the little tilt | 07:29 |
| entil | I don't have a lot of experience in these but n900 had a fine keyboard | 07:29 |
| inte | how was the n950 keyboard? Only saw it on pictures but it looked good | 07:30 |
| dunp | i personaly do not like "soft" material on keyboard. | 07:31 |
| Teme | the little tilt makes the touchscreen that much easier to use | 07:31 |
| entil | if the world wasn't broken there'd be a slide-out keyboard for the jolla with cherry browns | 07:31 |
| entil | ;) | 07:32 |
| Teme | xD | 07:32 |
| oh8gnz | teme, also could watch irc while phone was on the table | 07:32 |
| oh8gnz | with n900 it's not so eay | 07:33 |
| dunp | i hate on screen keyboard it eats screen sizes... | 07:34 |
| inte | wow http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nokia-N950-MeeGo-Harmattan-1-2-Cell-Phone-Prototype-/281391194158?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item418438e02e | 07:34 |
| Teme | http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/15/5104704/i-come-not-to-praise-qwerty-but-to-bury-it | 07:35 |
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| oh8gnz | dunp: that's also bad thing | 07:37 |
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| dunp | kb with a epaper backround sold be nice.. | 07:38 |
| Teme | ""The real reason is not design, but the changes in behavior." He explains how far virtual keyboards have come, how children are growing up with touchscreens, and how written communication has become less critical for the smartphone audience." | 07:38 |
| Teme | i guess we just need to get with the program :D | 07:38 |
| entil | y u say writn com is less critical | 07:38 |
| entil | how i spel critical corct | 07:38 |
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| oh8gnz | many users that need to write a lot of e-mails are even using older communicators | 07:40 |
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| inte | oh8gnz: you could even send FAX messages with them :-) | 07:47 |
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| inte | those were pretty cool and the more I think about it the harder it is to believe Nokia didnt survive | 07:49 |
| inte | what a shame | 07:49 |
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| inte | thargor: I think the caldav api of jolla is not public at present, therefore a todo-app would need to implement the syncing process by itself which is probably the reason there is none at present | 07:54 |
| inte | however, according to Githung the developer of "Tasklist" is looking into it and might implement caldav sync as soon as Jolla releases the caldav-api of sailfishOS | 07:55 |
| * inte would love to see a caldav tasklist app as well as he could sync his phone to openxchange then | 07:56 | |
| inte | .oO(at least this is what I was told once, please calrify if I'm wrong) | 07:56 |
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| rigo_ | Hi all, just saw that the android apps are now in separate windows and participate in the multi-tasking of the jolla. Congrats! | 07:59 |
| rigo_ | Now the question: Those android apps are really less trusted sometimes. Is there a way to sandbox them and thus avoid that they can sniff address books and things, turn on microphone and camera and all those nasty things those apps do these days? | 08:00 |
| rigo_ | would be a decisive advantage compared to the competitors :) | 08:00 |
| thargor | inte: I'm not only interested in todolist I'm further interested in a note app... like evernote or onenote | 08:01 |
| inte | thargor: check out own notes | 08:04 |
| inte | https://openrepos.net/content/khertan/ownnotes | 08:04 |
| thargor | inte: didn't know that. Thanks. I'll have a deeper look in this | 08:07 |
| inte | but as someone ponited out already, dont expect any further support | 08:07 |
| inte | the author seems angry at jolla | 08:07 |
| inte | http://khertan.net/posts/jolla_28_weeks_later | 08:07 |
| inte | whatever | 08:08 |
| inte | it didnt work for me so i gave up after trying once | 08:08 |
| inte | i dont have owncloud though | 08:08 |
| inte | i always got an "attribute error" for some reason | 08:09 |
| thargor | then it seams that there is a "new" development for something similar required | 08:09 |
| inte | when trying to sync to a webdavs share | 08:10 |
| Teme | rigo_: i am not really familiar with how it's implemented on Jolla but i'm guessing alien dalvik can't manage application permissions any better than native android | 08:10 |
| Teme | IIRC applications fail to install if you don't grant them all the permissions they ask for | 08:10 |
| inte | thargor: you may fork khertans repo then | 08:11 |
| inte | i guess its gpl | 08:11 |
| thargor | I need a project for an android app for a course at the university and this is something I'm searching for long time. I'm personally not a friend of cloud services and all the stuff (or only stored at my own servers ;-)) | 08:11 |
| rigo_ | Teme: I'm just setting up a challenge for them. :) And yes, if they fail to install because they want the Microphone, nobody says that the OS can't lie to a sandboxed app... | 08:12 |
| rigo_ | inte, thargor, good manners are to talk to khertan before forking | 08:12 |
| Teme | although Jelly Bean seems to have some sort "App opps" that's not a feature that's open by default... it seems to be able to deny permissions after installation | 08:12 |
| thargor | rigo_ if I'll really go for this project, of course I'll get in contact with the developer first | 08:13 |
| inte | thargor: mh, couldnt you use Qt for Android as well? I dont know how to add additional platforms to the SailfishOS SDK but maybe someone here knows | 08:13 |
| inte | rigo_: sure | 08:13 |
| Teme | rigo_: yeah that would definitely be an interesting feature if it's viable | 08:13 |
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| thargor | inte: I think Qt could be a solution. I do not have the full requirements yet. If I have them I'll be able to judge and make my decision | 08:14 |
| rigo_ | Teme: yep, here you go :) It is just a matter of taking the opportunities that are present and start lying to android apps and make them believe they can spy while telling them rubbish :) | 08:14 |
| rigo_ | Teme: once the Devs have the idea, it's sufficient to wait. Because they are as annoyed by those rogue apps as we are | 08:16 |
| Teme | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsQ9TUdq_F0&feature=youtu.be that seems pretty nice | 08:20 |
| Teme | do want :( | 08:21 |
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| inte | whups | 09:08 |
| inte | fedora is updating to qt5 | 09:08 |
| pp_ | f21 is so badly delayed they might get qt6 :D | 09:09 |
| inte | hehe | 09:09 |
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| inte | question: There was this swype-keyboard demo video for Jolla a few month ago | 09:23 |
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| inte | is it possible to download a preliminary version for testing? | 09:23 |
| inte | the author claimed he had some legal considerations to make that time | 09:24 |
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| rigo_ | Teme: wow, want that too ... But should recognize hardware keyboard and remove software keyboard | 09:26 |
| Teme | rigo_: well as they say it's a "POC that got a bit out of hand" so a production version would most likely include a switch for detecting if it's open and a bit more polished finish | 09:32 |
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| inte | another thing: maybe someone knows - i once saw an app which prevented the jolla from going into standby | 09:37 |
| inte | cant find it any more | 09:37 |
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| inte | ah | 09:39 |
| inte | stay awake | 09:39 |
| inte | eventually found it through openrepos websearch | 09:40 |
| inte | not through the client whatever | 09:40 |
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| Teme | what's up with this jollatides site | 09:48 |
| Teme | i have so many problems with creating an account it's unreal | 09:48 |
| Teme | google signup didn't work | 09:49 |
| Teme | after creating an account, i can't view a page which i was able to see when i didn't have an account created http://www.jollatides.com/forums/discussion/194/add-media-player-buttons-on-your-lock-screen | 09:49 |
| Teme | getting some "permission problem" | 09:50 |
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| Teme | after creating an account i apparently now have a cookie that prevents viewing that page which was fine when i hadn't signed up | 09:51 |
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| Teme | but now i figured it out... there was an "apply for membership" so i guess i can't view any pages that accountless people can view while i'm signed in but not approved or smth like that xD | 09:52 |
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| tadzik | ooh, a beer app for sailfish, nice | 09:53 |
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| tadzik | oh, requires api key, nevermind | 09:54 |
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| tadzik | ooh, TaskList has configurable remorse timers | 11:01 |
| tadzik | jolla, learn something from your app developers | 11:01 |
| Hartzi | "ooh", "oh", "ooh". Are you having sex at the same time you chat here? :D | 11:03 |
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| sledges | oooh, you not? :)) | 11:04 |
| tadzik | hahha | 11:05 |
| tadzik | I didn't even notice that myself | 11:05 |
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| tadzik | ooh is a happy surprise, oh is a sad surprise | 11:05 |
| tadzik | obvious :P | 11:05 |
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| matrixx | :D | 11:13 |
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| matrixx | ooh | 11:13 |
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| LarstiQ | kameloso: is your nick from the Uti Vår Hage show? | 11:41 |
| Hartzi | sledges: my collegues wouldn't appreciate that :P | 11:42 |
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| sledges | ahhh, why not :)) | 11:53 |
| sledges | (nb, that wasn't a question :)) | 11:53 |
| Hartzi | mayby I need to find a company that is more open minded ;) | 11:55 |
| Hartzi | maybe* | 11:55 |
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| artemma | How can you extract note text from Jolla Notes app? | 12:45 |
| artemma | I mean to desktop | 12:45 |
| artemma | I tried Sharing by email, but.. it sends vcf file, nothing can open it on my mac | 12:46 |
| artemma | it's a pity, lots of text typed I. And Jolla has no easy Select All text option for manual copy-pasting to email.. | 12:47 |
| Wnt | artemma: I once opened the sqlite database through ssh on my computer :) | 12:47 |
| artemma | never mind, I managed to select all - not that much text after all | 12:47 |
| Wnt | the database the notes application uses for storing it's data | 12:47 |
| artemma | though choice of VCF format for sharing a note text made me seriously puzzled :) | 12:48 |
| artemma | I wonder which UX designer figured it is the format users expect for their use cases when they want to send-transfer a short note :) | 12:48 |
| Wnt | hmm. thunderbird doesn't even show that there is an attachement when it's type is text/x-vcard | 12:50 |
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| artemma | UX designer using pine or some other linux app that knows how to show VCF notes? | 12:55 |
| artemma | Oh, wait, is it MS Outlook that knows how to show VCF notes??! :D | 12:56 |
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| artemma | Hey, @JollaHq promoted my NightSilence app from the main twiiter account! #howsuccesslookslike :) | 13:42 |
| ggabriel | artemma: \o/ | 13:43 |
| ggabriel | i'm afraid i won't give it a try for now | 13:43 |
| ggabriel | as i have no problem with falling asleep | 13:43 |
| artemma | lucky you! | 13:44 |
| artemma | apparently your mind is not overloaded at least with the Jolla future then :) | 13:44 |
| ggabriel | no, my mind is overloaded with other stuff | 13:45 |
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| Wnt | artemma: does NightSilence app need to be started once after each reboot for it to register itself to the timer that then does the (un)silencing? | 14:42 |
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| artemma | Wnt: I am not sure.. I think it should be fine even without an extra start even if activation moment was to be during the power-off, but I didn't really test it | 14:43 |
| artemma | and well, sometimes it does loose the schedule, I don't know when exactly. Didn't happen to me, but a couple of people were telling about it | 14:43 |
| artemma | maybe it was exactly reboot related.. | 14:44 |
| artemma | good point is that you are not supposed to reboot Jolla for months anyway, right? :) | 14:44 |
| Wnt | yeah, I think my phone also stopped (un)silencing after a reboot | 14:44 |
| artemma | thanks for sharing, I'll try checking it next time I get to NightSilence improvements | 14:45 |
| Wnt | hopefully my phone will now stay responsive for longer than a week | 14:46 |
| Wnt | i just reseted the device and started everything from scratch | 14:46 |
| Wnt | I had a battery draining issue on my device that was probably caused by me messing up the contacts / accounts db | 14:46 |
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| tadzik | does media player have its own album art cache somewhere? | 14:50 |
| tadzik | it's not in the music directory, it's not in .thumbnails | 14:50 |
| tadzik | but they're all wrong after I messed with quasarmx a bit | 14:50 |
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| TMavica | hi | 15:12 |
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| eyea_Uk | Jolla )0!1@ yah | 15:16 |
| Yaniel | tadzik: .mediaartlocal | 15:16 |
| tadzik | Yaniel: yeah, I removed that too, didn't help | 15:17 |
| Yaniel | in your music folders | 15:17 |
| eyea_Uk | How is everyone | 15:17 |
| Yaniel | you are missing covers too&! | 15:17 |
| Yaniel | ? | 15:17 |
| tadzik | I would rather miss them than have the wrong ones | 15:17 |
| Yaniel | oh | 15:17 |
| tadzik | but I have Amon Amarth with Steel Panther covers and it drives me nuts | 15:18 |
| tadzik | it's been like that since I asked quasarmx to update missing covers and it got it all wrong' | 15:19 |
| tadzik | of course its option to remove all downloaded covers didn't do a thing | 15:19 |
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| chem|st | so after qualcomm there is now omap on the libhybris list... | 15:30 |
| chem|st | anyone got it working? | 15:30 |
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| chem|st | locusf: you? | 15:32 |
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| locusf | chem|st: I have a p3110 which is omap | 15:32 |
| chem|st | locusf: I have a p3100 and cant wait on someone telling me how to get sfos on it | 15:35 |
| locusf | chem|st: so you have the gsm version? It should just work with 3110 image I guess | 15:36 |
| locusf | or probably not | 15:36 |
| chem|st | but the hardware adaption is missing some essentials (reading from libhybris) | 15:36 |
| locusf | yup | 15:36 |
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| locusf | and the screen is a bit wonky, its in landscape as lipstick is vertical | 15:36 |
| locusf | chem|st: https://twitter.com/locusf/status/492010228737900544 | 15:37 |
| chem|st | argh | 15:37 |
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| special | mm, isn't there a parameter somewhere to control framebuffer orientation? | 15:39 |
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| chem|st | so nexus 7 is the only working atm | 15:39 |
| special | from lipstick's point of view | 15:39 |
| locusf | special: please do tell if you know :) | 15:40 |
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| special | there's a good chance I'm thinking of something that existed before the modern hybris/wayland architecture | 15:43 |
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| SK_work | locusf: wondering, can't you hack QML to make it wokr ? | 16:09 |
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| locusf | SK_work: I probably could | 16:12 |
| SK_work | locusf: I wonder how touch behaviour would work though | 16:12 |
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| locusf | SK_work: the touch behaviour is correct, it assumes the device to be used vertically | 16:14 |
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| SK_work | locusf: I meant touch in hacked qml | 16:15 |
| locusf | SK_work: ok | 16:16 |
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| pdanek | 5" smartphone, reading ebooks in landscape mode, comfortable enough? | 16:16 |
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| narchie | any idea why caldav doesnt sync at all | 16:17 |
| cb400f | pdanek: I have a 5" cybook e-book reader.. for epubs it's ok.. for pdfs and stuff with margins etc. it's too small | 16:18 |
| pdanek | cb400f: some PDF readers can remove margins | 16:20 |
| cb400f | ah, not the one on the cybook.. some pdfs also have a column layout and stuff which "wastes" space and make them harder to read | 16:21 |
| cb400f | of course a phone has much better scrolling and zooming than an e-ink screen | 16:21 |
| pdanek | right | 16:22 |
| pdanek | we need a damn phablets | 16:22 |
| pdanek | 5" too big for phone, too small for reader | 16:23 |
| pdanek | either 4.5" maximum | 16:23 |
| pdanek | or 6" | 16:23 |
| pdanek | :D | 16:23 |
| SK_work | pdanek: the Jolla is 4.5 isn't it ? | 16:24 |
| SK_work | I think you can fit a 4.8 on the jolla's form factor | 16:24 |
| SK_work | that I find quite nice | 16:24 |
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| * cb400f dreams of an 8" sailfishos tablet :-) | 16:25 | |
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| pdanek | SK_work: sure, Jolla is, but I was mentioning 5" a little more above :) | 16:25 |
| pdanek | 8", the hype! | 16:26 |
| pdanek | 7.7" Jolla Note officially announced! | 16:26 |
| pdanek | arm v8, 4G ram, 128G rom... and lasers | 16:27 |
| cb400f | :-) | 16:27 |
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| tbr | comes with complimentary shark? | 16:29 |
| SK_work | :D | 16:30 |
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| kimmoli | why the display size notation is stuck in imperial units? | 17:22 |
| TemeV | kimmoli: I sometimes wonder the same thing | 17:23 |
| kimmoli | 114mm - sounds not so bad | 17:23 |
| TemeV | recently I've seen display sizes in SI units also, so I guess it will change. But slowly | 17:23 |
| kimmoli | haa, my monitor is 762 mm | 17:23 |
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| pdanek | kimmoli: I don't think it's a biggest issue, issue is, why the display size notation is in diagonal length? | 17:24 |
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| TemeV | well, aspect ratio is almost the same everywhere, so it doesn't really matter which dimension is used | 17:25 |
| pdanek | area should be measured, like square inches or square cm | 17:25 |
| TemeV | that's a good point | 17:25 |
| kimmoli | the you could use only cubic cm for whole thing, + density | 17:26 |
| kimmoli | just 2 numbers for whole phone | 17:26 |
| TemeV | but then there would not be much cool numbers to use in marketing | 17:27 |
| TemeV | moar numbers | 17:27 |
| kimmoli | add some decimals | 17:27 |
| pdanek | now when you see smart watches and stuff | 17:28 |
| pdanek | aspect ratios are definitely not the same :) | 17:28 |
| TemeV | I need a lot meaningless numbers to prove my phone is better than my friend's phone | 17:28 |
| pdanek | so diagonal length is fail | 17:28 |
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| TemeV | I want 16:9 full hd in my watch also! | 17:29 |
| * kimmoli wonders why there is no phone-unit. like this is 3.44-phones. referenced to 3110 ? | 17:29 | |
| pdanek | 4:3 vs 16:9 is a huge difference in area with same diagonal length | 17:29 |
| kimmoli | ok that was bad reference. all would be <1 | 17:29 |
| pdanek | 1:1 even bigger - smart watches | 17:29 |
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| TemeV | how do you watch a movie from a watch with 1:1 screen :/ | 17:30 |
| kimmoli | add black sttripes? | 17:30 |
| pdanek | I'm not speaking about movies | 17:30 |
| TemeV | then my precious screen is half wasted | 17:30 |
| TemeV | pdanek: And I'm not serious | 17:31 |
| pdanek | ah ok | 17:31 |
| pdanek | :)_ | 17:31 |
| TemeV | who would watch a movie from watch | 17:31 |
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| pdanek | good old times when movies were 4:3 | 17:31 |
| pdanek | I want it back! | 17:31 |
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| pdanek | I remember my sadness when Lenovo Thinkpads burried the 4:3 | 17:32 |
| pdanek | I want 4:3 ThinkPad! | 17:33 |
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| pdanek | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_ThinkPad_Butterfly_keyboard - why don't we have this anymore? | 17:34 |
| pdanek | HW market is so boring now | 17:34 |
| pdanek | watching Computer Chronicles series and I want half of the devices there :D | 17:35 |
| kimmoli | my precious, still at use https://app.younited.com/?shareObject=f8df842f-f253-7983-344f-d43b6c3464fa | 17:36 |
| pdanek | younited! the hype | 17:36 |
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| Teme | does anyone agree that for coding purposes at least one 4:3 monitor would be superior to a 16:9 ? | 18:20 |
| Teme | i've tried to find a decent 4:3 screen but they cost 1000€+ :( | 18:20 |
| Teme | i mean 16:9 is just awkward with modern IDEs | 18:21 |
| Teme | and a 16:9 rotated is only good for a text editor | 18:21 |
| locusf | 16:10 is great, tall enough | 18:21 |
| Teme | yeah, i should really get one for work if i can't find a 4:3 | 18:22 |
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| kimmoli | fried tried to turn 16:9 portrait 9:16, but his neck started to hurt | 18:26 |
| pahartik | Teme: One can scale main application window to 4:3 on 16:9 display and use remaining area for something secondary? | 18:26 |
| Teme | not the same at all, since i don' | 18:27 |
| Teme | ... don't _need_ anything secondary, i just need more screen real estate on the top side | 18:28 |
| Teme | and the solution is not to get a bigger 16:9, since it can't fit on the standard issue desks at work | 18:28 |
| kimmoli | i have 2x 16:10 next to each-other | 18:28 |
| Teme | i have my laptop screen on dock, 16:9 and 16:9 portrait which is pretty much the maximum that can fit in the width | 18:29 |
| locusf | I got 3x | 18:29 |
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| locusf | 16:10 | 18:29 |
| Teme | also the laptop screen would be intolerably far away if the middle screen were wider | 18:29 |
| suosaaski | you need higher resolution :| | 18:30 |
| Teme | the laptop screen can't be taken out of the equation, since it's the only way to get triple-head out of the thinkpad | 18:30 |
| suosaaski | I have 2x 16:9 at work, but I don't generally do coding. | 18:30 |
| Teme | i can manage with two screens | 18:30 |
| Teme | but once you start using a third one you don't wanna give it up :) | 18:31 |
| Teme | for example at home i've got only 16:9 and 16:9 portrait | 18:31 |
| Teme | but at work i'm balancing so many things at once i could use 6 screens | 18:32 |
| Teme | virtual desktops don't solve the problem entirely either | 18:32 |
| kimmoli | :) | 18:32 |
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| kimmoli | so far been happy with 30" WQXGA as main display | 18:32 |
| Teme | with some grid application? | 18:32 |
| Teme | or an OS with grid | 18:33 |
| kimmoli | just windows+arrows-left-right-to align | 18:33 |
| Teme | on a 30" i would imagine that's still cumbersome | 18:34 |
| Teme | or a lot of wasted space | 18:34 |
| kimmoli | cad work full-screen, and documents on smaller monitor | 18:35 |
| Teme | personally i prefer to have a larger amount of screens than one large screen since fullscreen is the boss | 18:35 |
| Teme | aha, well for cad that is probably pretty awesome :D | 18:35 |
| kimmoli | and i like to have my icons on desktop... 419 and only 2/3 full :) | 18:36 |
| kimmoli | tmp = desktop | 18:36 |
| Teme | my coworker got a 2.35:1 screen for coding... personally i don't like it all | 18:37 |
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| Teme | 419... | 18:37 |
| Teme | :D | 18:37 |
| kimmoli | had to check | 18:37 |
| kimmoli | todays web-pages are not optimized for widescreen displays | 18:38 |
| Teme | have you noticed, there is actually this thing called a "file system" which you can access by clicking on the "Computer" icon ;) | 18:38 |
| Teme | today nothing but movies and games are optimized for widescreen displays | 18:38 |
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| Eztran | Judging by that, and that widescreen displays are becoming more and more dominant, one might assume they're primarily targeting multimedia. Odd, really, I'm not sure computers are used for that any more than they used to be. | 18:41 |
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| * pahartik is mostly satisfied when one can fit at least two and half 80×50 "urxvt" windows on screen horizontally | 18:50 | |
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| AL13N | pahartik: font-size is everything | 19:15 |
| Aard | porn is nowadays 16:9. very important use case for computer screens | 19:16 |
| raa70 | =) | 19:17 |
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| FireFly | I can fit two terminals side-by-side on my laptop, that's good enough for me | 19:27 |
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| tobiski | I'm getting sync error in notifications saying too many contacts removals or something, I'm translating it from finnish. I tried to search tjc but didn't find anything like it | 21:05 |
| tobiski | anyone else got it and what does it mean? | 21:06 |
| tobiski | if i tap it it disappears and comes back ater some time | 21:06 |
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| mrwizrd | evening all :) | 21:49 |
| mrwizrd | I'm trying to install some software within the Sailfish VM that the SDK sets up (I thought it would be the quickest way to get something approximating the phone and see if I could do what I wanted with it) and I'm running into an issue, could anyone help for a couple of minutes? | 21:51 |
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| tbr | you didn't bother specifying the issue you run into | 21:52 |
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| mrwizrd | I was waiting to see if anyone was paying attention to the channel :P | 21:53 |
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| mrwizrd | I tried installing a ruby gem and get complaints about missing ruby headers. | 21:54 |
| mrwizrd | is there something I can install? I installed the ruby package using pkcon after enabling the apps repository using "ssu er apps". | 21:55 |
| mrwizrd | I'm not sure whether enabling that repo was required but I'm entirely new to the Jolla ecosystem. | 21:56 |
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| mrwizrd | What I'd like to achieve is the ability to run Jekyll on the device. | 21:56 |
| mrwizrd | one of its dependencies is a gem called fast-stemmer-1.0.2 | 21:57 |
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| mrwizrd | it tries to use files in /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.9.1/... the installed version of ruby is ruby 1.9.3p433 (incidentally the same version I use in my Vagrant-based install on my pc) | 21:59 |
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| mrwizrd | oh and tbr: the actual error I get is: mkmf.rb can't find header files for ruby at /usr/lib/ruby/include/ruby.h | 22:00 |
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| mrwizrd | hmm. I wonder if it's possible to install ruby with rvm http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11575231/install-ruby-headers-with-rvm | 22:05 |
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| tbr | mrwizrd: there should be devel packages for headers | 22:21 |
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| mrwizrd | tbr: thank you very much, kind sir! Much appreciated | 22:28 |
| tbr | pkcon search name $foo | 22:28 |
| tbr | should help you find things | 22:29 |
| mrwizrd | it's been a while since I've used a distro that uses the -devel naming convention | 22:29 |
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| mrwizrd | I come from Arch with a bit of debian mixed in | 22:29 |
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| mrwizrd | I'm a bit rusty :) | 22:29 |
| tbr | devel seems to be an RPM thing, mostly | 22:29 |
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| mrwizrd | it will be so awesome to have a proper linux phone in my pocket | 22:30 |
| mrwizrd | I've been wanting to run jekyll on the go for the longest time | 22:31 |
| mrwizrd | tbr: one last question: is there a build-essential package or something similar like under debian? | 22:31 |
| mrwizrd | meta-package I should say | 22:32 |
| tbr | mm, there _might_ be a package group, but I don't know off hand | 22:32 |
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| mrwizrd | tbr: good news, further along! | 22:45 |
| mrwizrd | documentation didn't like being generated because of conversion issues between 8bit ascii and utf-8 us-ascii but I can just supress that with --no-rdoc --no-ri | 22:46 |
| mrwizrd | tbr: Holy crap it WORKS. | 22:49 |
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| Eztran | mrwizrd: Don't we all love that moment? =) | 22:49 |
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| mrwizrd | OH YES WE DO | 22:51 |
| mrwizrd | brb buying a Jolla | 22:51 |
| mrwizrd | oh also, obviously this software was built for x86 since I'm running in the VM - can I know that the same software will be available for ARM or whatever the Jolla itself uses? | 22:52 |
| chem|st | mrwizrd: what is running in the VM should run on Jolla too but for development you better join #sailfishos | 22:55 |
| mrwizrd | thank you so much for all of your help everyone | 22:56 |
| mrwizrd | I knew I was onto something when I could chat to one of the co-founders on Twitter this afternoon. | 22:56 |
| mrwizrd | I went from not even thinking of Jolla to practically being an evangelist in about 30 minutes | 22:57 |
| mrwizrd | and know I know that I can have an N9* all over again | 22:57 |
| mrwizrd | It all started because Robin Burchell (@w00teh) favourited a tweet and Stefano Mosconi did too. | 22:59 |
| mrwizrd | (I sort of know RB) | 22:59 |
| mrwizrd | then I found out how awesome Stefano was | 22:59 |
| mrwizrd | https://twitter.com/mrwizrd/status/494122205383770112 chem|st Eztran tbr | 23:02 |
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| Eztran | aren't many companies where the first response is from one of the founders =) | 23:04 |
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