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| yunta | http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/viewTeamInfo.do?teamId=HPVMMFT422 | 07:35 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | good morning | 08:46 |
| SK_work | hi dr_gogeta86 | 08:51 |
| dr_gogeta86 | how do you do ? | 08:52 |
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| SK_work | fine and you ? | 08:57 |
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| Nicd- | what does "Problem with sending message" mean with SMS? can I get a specific error code somehow? | 09:02 |
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| Nicd- | I'm assuming the number doesn't exist but of course I can't be sure because the error is so generic | 09:06 |
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| SK_work | Nicd-: don't know | 09:07 |
| SK_work | sometimes it's because you don't have network coverage | 09:07 |
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| SK_work | and sometimes (maybe before recent updates), the sms got sent, but you don't have notification that it got delivered | 09:08 |
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| Sail0r | which boxes did you use when sending the jolla to repair? | 09:26 |
| Sail0r | I want to use the original sales box and another one to put it in | 09:26 |
| Sail0r | but the dimensions they write in the email are pretty small and I don't have any box this size | 09:27 |
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| Nicd- | I made one from cardboard and tape | 09:28 |
| Sail0r | the dimensions are damn small I have a box which exceeds them by 1cm each side | 09:29 |
| Nicd- | you can also send a bigger box if you pay for postage I think | 09:29 |
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| Sail0r | ok fedex says: Dimensions per package can be up to 274 cm (108") in length, or 330 cm (130") in length and girth combined. | 09:36 |
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| Sail0r | Nicd-: did you send it with toh? | 10:02 |
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| Nicd- | yes, the white one | 10:03 |
| Sail0r | ok factory reset done | 10:05 |
| Sail0r | ready to rumble | 10:05 |
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| wazd | Hey people | 10:11 |
| wazd | I have a concept for you to discuss: http://t.co/XbrLq9PdB6 | 10:12 |
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| Nicd- | what is there to discuss? | 10:14 |
| Nicd- | it looks awesome but isn't real which makes me sad :P | 10:14 |
| wazd | Well, how do you like it, any thoughts if something is missing | 10:14 |
| Nicd- | it's missing åäö :D | 10:15 |
| wazd | would you buy it, what kindney would you give away for that :D | 10:16 |
| wazd | oh, good point | 10:16 |
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| wazd | see, that's what I need :) | 10:16 |
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| Nicd- | I would possibly pay quite a lot for a keyboard OH, *if* it was good to use and not a flimsy toy | 10:18 |
| Nicd- | extra battery in the OH would also be nice but not mandatory | 10:18 |
| ighea_ | noo, I want' e-ink screen on the back! | 10:19 |
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| wazd | Nicd-: well, actually battery would help not only in an obvious way, but also it will shift the weight of the device more to the OH | 10:20 |
| wazd | it would be easier to type | 10:21 |
| wazd | Though it would make TOH considerably more expensive of course, no miracles here | 10:21 |
| * pahartik was looking for induction charging solution again today | 10:22 | |
| Teme | pahartik: to purchase or to produce? | 10:22 |
| pahartik | Teme: Either would be fine | 10:23 |
| Teme | i mean on funkytoh you can choose to get some sort of Jolla-compatible connector and i guess the charger pads are available to order somewhere | 10:24 |
| pp_ | this guy does it for you: http://funkyotherhalf.com/?page_id=9 | 10:24 |
| Teme | yes, that ^ | 10:24 |
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| pp_ | FUNKYJOLLAUSERS gives you 25% off too, I have one in the shopping cart but since the guy is on vacation haven't bothered to order :) | 10:25 |
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| tbr-fi | pahartik: I just put in a random qi pad and routed the pads using some copper tape | 10:27 |
| * pp_ orders while he's at it | 10:27 | |
| Teme | wazd: if you are targeting the _ultimate_ users with your keyboard design, it should really include the home-key cluster as separate hardware buttons | 10:28 |
| pahartik | tbr-fi: Is it sensitive to precise location? | 10:28 |
| Teme | wazd: you might be able to get away without delete and insert, but at the very least pgup, pgdn, home and end should be included | 10:29 |
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| Teme | enter could be reduced in size to be the same as ctrl and the extra space used for a 4-key cluster | 10:29 |
| wazd | Teme: Yeah, actually I just forgot to enable layers for them >< | 10:30 |
| Teme | :D | 10:30 |
| meklu | that enter key is really huge | 10:30 |
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| wazd | Teme: they are on arrows and backspace | 10:30 |
| meklu | and I'd take home/end/pgup/pgdown way before arrow keys | 10:31 |
| meklu | who needs arrows when you have hjkl ;) | 10:31 |
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| inz | We need stackable TOHs | 10:32 |
| inz | Well, I guess they would no longer be TOHs then, but AOHs | 10:33 |
| Teme | yeah, i've always wondered what's gonna happen if/when there are many "must have"-TOHs available and people will have to choose between them | 10:34 |
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| ighea_ | there only needs to be one extra battery wireless charging keyboard TOH with e-ink back screen | 10:34 |
| ighea_ | everything else is pointless wasting of resources and time :p | 10:35 |
| pp_ | kitchen sink | 10:35 |
| ighea_ | well, DIY Qi TOH was a nice start | 10:36 |
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| chem|st | ighea_: I actually do not need the extra battery and I do not need the eink and wireless charging can be a receiver-sticker on the device NOT attached to the TOH | 10:36 |
| wazd | So, returning to the producing costs | 10:37 |
| ighea_ | chem|st: receiver sticker? what harry potter is that | 10:37 |
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| wazd | If we'd add already existing battery to the keyboard TOH, then the cost would be KB TOH + battery + battery shipping + a bit of design improvements | 10:38 |
| chem|st | ighea_: a Qi-sticker... the TOHmod uses an Samsung S3 Qi-receiver-sticker | 10:38 |
| wazd | Can Jolla actually charge via it's TOH interface? | 10:39 |
| ighea_ | wazd: sure | 10:39 |
| chem|st | wazd: iirc no | 10:39 |
| wazd | not BE charged | 10:39 |
| wazd | but charge | 10:39 |
| ighea_ | or whatever you mean with the TOH interface | 10:39 |
| chem|st | wazd: there are separate charging ports 5V | 10:39 |
| wazd | well, I meant the whole interface thing | 10:40 |
| chem|st | wazd: ah the other way round? | 10:40 |
| wazd | not only L2TP or whatever | 10:40 |
| chem|st | it can provide power so it may charge something... | 10:40 |
| wazd | or how's it called :D | 10:40 |
| ighea_ | chem|st: but only 3V | 10:40 |
| chem|st | but supply is 3.3V I think | 10:40 |
| ighea_ | or something | 10:40 |
| wazd | so it's a "lame" charger as I understand | 10:41 |
| ighea_ | I wouldn't call it a charger but a power sourc | 10:41 |
| wazd | it would take centuries to fill 300mAh with that | 10:41 |
| wazd | 3000* | 10:41 |
| wazd | It's a good power source but lame charger :P | 10:41 |
| chem|st | wazd: you can not fill a battery with lower voltage than the battery... | 10:42 |
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| wazd | so, you'd actually need a custom micro-usb splitter (to charg both Jolla and TOH separately | 10:42 |
| ighea_ | what would the 3000mAh battery even be for? | 10:43 |
| chem|st | that is like trying to get a vessel at a speed of 6kn up a river that has 8kn | 10:43 |
| chem|st | wazd: I have no idea if you can use the 5V ports to charge a TOH battery | 10:44 |
| ighea_ | if it is just extra battery for the Jolla wouldn't it make more sense to just charge the battery directly and then let Jolla charge from it through the internal pins? :E | 10:44 |
| chem|st | ighea_: question is if you need another usb-port or not | 10:45 |
| wazd | and a micro-usb port on the TOH with all the wiring | 10:45 |
| chem|st | ighea_: the connected ports for a TOH-usb-to-battery-charging is already connected to the internal charging... charging at it will charge the internal battery as well | 10:46 |
| wazd | chem|st: oh, ok, skip the splitter | 10:46 |
| wazd | but still, it would dramatically increase the complexity of the thing | 10:47 |
| pp_ | external microusb battery, anyone?-) | 10:47 |
| chem|st | trial and error I guess, does a usb-connected Jolla provide 5V at the TOH 5V pins? | 10:47 |
| wazd | pp_: there are like thousands of them on the market | 10:48 |
| wazd | pp_: right now :D | 10:48 |
| pp_ | yep, so why not use one :-) | 10:48 |
| chem|st | nice thing could be a boxes-TOH like this idea about a completely customizeable phone | 10:48 |
| wazd | pp_: not very handy I guess | 10:49 |
| wazd | pp_: though I always have one in my bag | 10:49 |
| ighea_ | wazd: me too, it is called lenovo thinkpad :p | 10:49 |
| pp_ | yea, one with a TOH top and a tiny microusb loop cable might be handy | 10:49 |
| chem|st | pp_: people do not want to carry extra devices with them and don't want to think about it | 10:50 |
| wazd | but again, you're missing the point of the battery in KB TOH | 10:51 |
| wazd | call it "useful weight" | 10:51 |
| wazd | cause if you'll make just a 3-4mm kb and stick in to the 140g device - it won't be that easy to type | 10:52 |
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| chem|st | wazd: I do not want the extra battery... I do not want the weight and I do not need an extra battery | 10:55 |
| tbr-fi | pahartik: what do you mean by that? | 10:55 |
| tbr-fi | pahartik: with all qi tech you need to place the device quite accurately | 10:55 |
| pahartik | tbr-fi: That is what I meant... | 10:56 |
| pahartik | tbr-fi: Maybe solution is to find large enough transmitter | 10:57 |
| wazd | chem|st: it won't be THAT much extra weight | 10:59 |
| wazd | chem|st: but trust me it would increase your typing experience | 10:59 |
| wazd | chem|st: say, the whole TOH would weight about 100g, but it would shift the center of mass right to the middle of the whole body | 11:02 |
| wazd | chem|st: I'd even make it more heavy so it would become "resting weight" - weight you should resist by just holding your palms instead of ninja finger combinations around | 11:03 |
| wazd | for example Nokia e90 (the influence of that project btw) weighs 210g, but since more weight rests in your palms it types like heaven | 11:07 |
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| trigpoint_ | can i buy a jolla battery anywhere? | 11:36 |
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| chem|st | trigpoint_: nope | 11:46 |
| chem|st | trigpoint_: well I don't know if it is a standard fit by the company manufacturing them for Jolla... Jolla does not sell them separately yet | 11:47 |
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| Sail0r | It's on it's way to to finnland ;) | 11:52 |
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| ighea_ | Finland | 11:53 |
| Sail0r | but I forgot to put in a letter with the reason for return, but it's also not described to do so in the manual how to send it in I think it's ok | 11:53 |
| Sail0r | yeah sorry | 11:53 |
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| Wnt | Has someone else seen this error? I reseted my device, upgraded to the latest release, created a new "general email" account. I had something wrong with my outgoing (SMTP) server settings so I ignored that and created the account anyway. | 14:11 |
| Wnt | now when I go to settings -> accounts select that account and from the pulley I choose "Server settings", nothing happens in the ui (only the pulley menu dissapears) | 14:11 |
| Wnt | in the journal I can see an error: "heinä 28 17:07:54 Jolla [2674]: [W] unknown:108 - file:///usr/share/accounts/ui/email-settings.qml:108: Error: Cannot assign to non-existent property "hideOutgoing"" | 14:12 |
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| topi | hello. can someone help me and tell me how I can uninstall an Android App from my Jolla? I installed it directly via apk file install, no store involved. | 14:22 |
| Wnt | Also the only error in the SMTP server setup was that I didn't have the "Allow untrusted certificates" checked in the server settings. The certificate the server uses for STARTLS is signed by Startcom and works fine in the browser and when used in incoming mail. For some reason doesn't seem to work in STMP | 14:23 |
| giucam | topi: do you have an icon in the launcher? | 14:23 |
| topi | yes | 14:23 |
| giucam | then longpress the launcher and press its 'x' icon | 14:24 |
| topi | giucam, thank you for answering. I have done this already and the program disappears from the launcher | 14:24 |
| topi | however, after some time, it asks me to update the program | 14:25 |
| topi | a new update was available and the "deleted" program keeps prompting me to update it. | 14:25 |
| giucam | hm, i'm afraid my knowledge of android stuff is very limited | 14:26 |
| topi | maybe someone else? I asked at together, but no answer there, either. | 14:27 |
| coderus | topi: remove apk from /data/apps | 14:29 |
| tbr-fi | topi: locate the apk and delete all of its occurences | 14:29 |
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| topi | thanks corerus and tbr-fi, I will try that now | 14:30 |
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| topi | coderus, I removed the app from /data/app, and rebooted the phone. I still get the message "/app_xxx.apk download failed" | 14:43 |
| topi | in dalvik-cache there is a .dex file referring to that application, should I also delete that? it is safe? | 14:44 |
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| coderus | topi sure, you can delete everything in cache :) | 14:59 |
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| topi | I deleted the apk in /data/app and the dex in dalvik-cache. Still getting notification of download failed | 15:01 |
| Teme | to which folder should i place an SSH private key that i use to connect to a remote shell? | 15:02 |
| Teme | (on Jolla) | 15:02 |
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| tbr-fi | Teme: ~/.ssh as usual | 15:07 |
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| Teme | for some reason the key doesn't get picked up, it's the first time i'm setting up SSH keys | 15:12 |
| Teme | got it working just fine from my Windows desktop with putty to a remote shell so that should be set up correctly | 15:13 |
| tbr-fi | please note that the key format between putty and openssh is different | 15:13 |
| Teme | welp, i was just about to say i have a putty generated .ppk | 15:13 |
| Teme | i'm guessing i need to copy just the key fingerprint to a plain text file or some such? i'll google it :) | 15:14 |
| tbr-fi | are you trying to SSH into the jolla or from the jolla into some server? | 15:15 |
| Teme | from the Jolla to a remote one, got it setup from Windows->remote already | 15:15 |
| Teme | want to use the same private key on Jolla, obviously, to connect to the remote box as well | 15:15 |
| Teme | seems that i can do the conversion with puttygen | 15:16 |
| tbr-fi | you neet to use that putty key tool to convert it to openssh format | 15:16 |
| tbr-fi | and then put the _private_ key part as e.g. id_rsa (if it's a rsa key) into /home/nemo/.ssh/ | 15:17 |
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| Teme | well it seems to be working now, but doesn't like the fact that i didn't use a passphrase | 15:21 |
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| Teme | i mean the format is probably correct now, exported with puttygen | 15:22 |
| Teme | should chmod it to something i guess | 15:22 |
| Teme | chmod 600 seems to have done the trick, thanks tbr-fi :) | 15:23 |
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| tbr | :) | 15:27 |
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| Yaniel | still no cover.jpg in mediabplayer | 15:34 |
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| DrainBamaged | Is anyone good with translating Finnish to English, please? | 20:48 |
| AJAX555 | maybe | 20:49 |
| DrainBamaged | Ooh, thank you | 20:49 |
| DrainBamaged | It might be offensive | 20:50 |
| DrainBamaged | Apologies if it's nsfw | 20:50 |
| DrainBamaged | Kai nai!!I mera tou xorou eftase epitelous!!!Elpizoume oloi osoi dilosate oti tha parevrethite na mas timisete me tin parousia sas!!O xoros tha perilamvanei afthono poto...fagito...kai fisika ksefreni diathesi apo tous mathites! | 20:50 |
| AJAX555 | well, good news, that isn't finnish | 20:50 |
| DrainBamaged | \o/ | 20:50 |
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| DrainBamaged | I thought it wasn't | 20:50 |
| DrainBamaged | It looked Greek to me :D | 20:50 |
| DrainBamaged | Thank you, AJAX555 | 20:51 |
| AJAX555 | no problem | 20:51 |
| pahartik | DrainBamaged: Excerpts of it in "Google Translator" result in guessing "spanish" | 20:56 |
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| DrainBamaged | Thanks | 20:59 |
| pahartik | DrainBamaged: Or maybe not, I just do not know how to use that service | 20:59 |
| DrainBamaged | rofl | 20:59 |
| raa70 | galician | 21:00 |
| raa70 | maybe it's missing some accents | 21:00 |
| DrainBamaged | What have I started here? | 21:00 |
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| pahartik | DrainBamaged: Language mystery | 21:02 |
| DrainBamaged | Considering the use of the letter 'x', I'm sure it's Greek | 21:02 |
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| raa70 | well, google doesn't translate a single word from that with greek -> english | 21:03 |
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| DrainBamaged | Maybe it is a load of rhubarb | 21:03 |
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| DrainBamaged | The words I pasted, not Google Translate :P | 21:05 |
| wazd | that's totally greek | 21:05 |
| DrainBamaged | I translated a small portion of it | 21:05 |
| raa70 | maybe it needs greeks alphabets to be recognized by google | 21:06 |
| DrainBamaged | Changed it to Greek characters | 21:06 |
| DrainBamaged | Ο χορος θα περιλαμβανει αφθονο | 21:06 |
| DrainBamaged | Which was Ο χορος θα περιλαμβανει αφθονο | 21:06 |
| DrainBamaged | Or O xoros tha perilamvanei afthono | 21:06 |
| DrainBamaged | Comes back as 'The chorus will include plenty' | 21:06 |
| DrainBamaged | I think I've solved my own mystery :D | 21:06 |
| pahartik | DrainBamaged: Very good | 21:07 |
| dunp | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/14/07/28/1354211/lots-of-people-really-want-slideout-keyboard-phones-where-are-they | 21:08 |
| wazd | when you see something ending with "os" - that's totally greek :D | 21:08 |
| wazd | dunp: I agree | 21:08 |
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| wazd | but looks like all of a sudden we're up to something in that department | 21:09 |
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