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| inte | im wondering if the jolla supports 2g edge aka 2,5g | 01:18 |
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| inte | 2g dataspeed seems quite sloe | 01:19 |
| inte | slower then id expect with edge | 01:19 |
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| ighea_ | it does, what was the speed you expected? | 06:52 |
| ighea_ | more than 22KB/s? pfft | 06:52 |
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| flux | was it really that slow | 07:50 |
| stephg | flux: you young whippersnapper ;) | 07:50 |
| flux | well, I've used GSM without packet data.. | 07:50 |
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| flux | but indeed 236.8 kbps was the EDGE speed, so you're quite lucky to get 22 KB/s | 07:54 |
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| pp_ | 9600bps dialup <3 | 07:59 |
| pp_ | @ 0,30e/minute | 08:00 |
| stephg | pp_: happy days ;) | 08:03 |
| Jope | for n = 0 to 2 : print "those were the days" : next n | 08:03 |
| pp_ | yep, I remember how incredible it was to irc from a car :D | 08:05 |
| pp_ | laptop had something like 1h of battery... tops... | 08:05 |
| Jope | yeh | 08:05 |
| Jope | I took my first CSD connection some time in 1996 | 08:05 |
| Jope | dad's mobira 5000 + nokia cellular data card | 08:05 |
| Jope | naturally had to go on irc immediately | 08:06 |
| dr_gogeta86 | thp, is in da house ? | 08:07 |
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| tbr | psh, analogue modem and FAX over FM based cellular mobile phone networks | 08:10 |
| * tbr whistles a CONNECT | 08:10 | |
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| ruskie | http://www.dovecot.fi/dovecot-launches-a-gmail-api-compatible-rest-api-to-enable-third-party-developers-to-join-its-global-email-ecosystem/ <-- hmm | 10:20 |
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| chem|st | anyone an idea how to get thumbnails to be recreated? | 11:04 |
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| tadzik | huh, Jolla things have X-Maemo-things in .desktop files | 11:09 |
| special | we use libcontentaction for .desktop files, which comes from meego and maemo | 11:11 |
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| chem|st | tadzik: you see "history" all over the place | 11:25 |
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| chem|st | lads, after recovering my device after 4 weeks I am pretty much fed with it... I rolled back my backups from when I sent it to care - not booting after upgrade - rolling back home only - not booting - recovering vault only - not downloading upgrade | 11:28 |
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| tadzik | oh! | 12:02 |
| tadzik | chem|st: did you try "systemctl --user restart tracker-miner-fs.service"? | 12:02 |
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| chem|st | tadzik: got it working, it wasn't a tracker issue, gallery and ambience chooser did just not properly update | 12:04 |
| tadzik | aha, I see | 12:04 |
| chem|st | I had the "oops" with the thumbs as background | 12:05 |
| chem|st | I have like 200contacts more after the recovery, guess it is unmerged contacts | 12:06 |
| chem|st | may I just put connman config files into var or does it need more than that to recover wlan settings? | 12:06 |
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| tadzik | this damned QuasarMX downloaded wrong album arts and hid them who-knows-where | 12:20 |
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| tadzik | aha! .mediaartlocal | 12:21 |
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| tadzik | can I safely remove the entire .thumbnails? | 12:28 |
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| inte | does the Jolla support EDGE aka 2.5G? | 12:32 |
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| inte | Dataspeed on GSM seem incredibly slow to me... | 12:33 |
| inte | thanks | 12:33 |
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| ighea_ | still asking the same question, yes it does support that. | 12:34 |
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| ighea_ | and yes, it is freakishly slow for anything related to using of modern Internet | 12:37 |
| inte | ighea thanks | 12:38 |
| special | ugh | 12:38 |
| special | (wrong channel) | 12:38 |
| inte | yes I fell asleep yesterday and somehow my backlog didnt show anything related :-) | 12:38 |
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| inte | ighea_: is there any possibility to display if Im currently on GPRS or EDGE? | 12:39 |
| inte | could be usefull since my provider didnt support EDGE everywhere | 12:40 |
| inte | And GPRS *IS* really slow | 12:40 |
| ighea_ | afaik, by looking at my Jolla's screen, there is no indicator for such, at least not for the time being | 12:40 |
| inte | its just that it feels like GPRS all the time (but I know my provider supports EDGE at some areas) | 12:41 |
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| Sidde | it just says 2g and no indication of edge no | 12:41 |
| inte | ighea_: well it could display "2.5G" instead of "2G" if Im on edge | 12:41 |
| inte | I guess former (Symbian) Nokias did that | 12:41 |
| tbr | your best bet is to look at ofono output on dbus | 12:41 |
| inte | or was it Windows Mobile (sorry :-)) | 12:41 |
| ighea_ | actually it should display E or something as EDGE is actually 2.75 or something ;D | 12:42 |
| inte | ighea_: :-) | 12:42 |
| Jare | it doesn't display 3.5G when you're on hspa, so... | 12:42 |
| ighea_ | 2.5 is 2G with data aka GPRS | 12:42 |
| tbr | there was also another boosted EDGE thing, but I think nobody rolled that out | 12:42 |
| ighea_ | perhaps you best bet would be to create a new question on the related pages | 12:42 |
| inte | Jare: yeah that would be another nice feature (HSPA indicator) | 12:42 |
| Jare | anyway iirc ofono does provide that info | 12:43 |
| inte | jare, tbr How do I do that? | 12:43 |
| inte | *ofono* | 12:43 |
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| ighea_ | tbr: yeah, I think Evolved Edge was dead on arrival :) | 12:43 |
| tbr | look at "dbus-monitor" | 12:44 |
| inte | ighea_: yes your right regarding the GPRS - 2.5G thing :-) | 12:44 |
| inte | ighea_: what was HSCSD, btw - 2.25G? :-) | 12:44 |
| * inte looking dbus-monitor | 12:44 | |
| tbr | wasn't HSCSD just time slot grouping? | 12:45 |
| ighea_ | now you have stepped outside my league into "lets take a look at wikipedia" ladder | 12:45 |
| * tbr remembers turning off error correction to get 14k4 on single slot CSD | 12:45 | |
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| Jare | inte: if you want to use the info in an app, then dbus. For viewing: "contextkit-monitor /run/state/namespaces/Cellular/" | 12:45 |
| Jare | should be the datatechnology field | 12:46 |
| inte | Jare: cool! | 12:46 |
| * inte "Cellular.DataTechnology" = QVariant(QString, "gprs") | 12:47 | |
| inte | explains a lot I guess :-) | 12:47 |
| tbr | 9k6 goodness | 12:47 |
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| ighea_ | still better than the first analog modems | 12:47 |
| tbr | or again 14k4 if error correction is off | 12:47 |
| ighea_ | so no whining! | 12:47 |
| inte | I will invoke that again when I'm sure that I'm in an EDGE covered area | 12:48 |
| Jare | have a look also if that changes when you transfer data, sometimes edge/hspa/similar might be dropped in an idle mode | 12:48 |
| inte | Jare thanks I will | 12:49 |
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| ighea_ | hmm... while transferring data my phone still says gprs on expected EDGE network | 12:51 |
| jmlich | I have noticed, there is something about "remote security" (Remote wipe of the device) in release notes. Where can I find configuration of this feature? | 12:51 |
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| inte | ighea_: I could swear I had EDGE in this area before | 12:55 |
| inte | however, i dont have any other phone that would display the edge symbol at hand right now | 12:55 |
| inte | jolla displays GPRS for me as well | 12:56 |
| inte | and data speed is sloooooow | 12:56 |
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| inte | how is your dataspeed on 2G in your EDGE-covered area? | 12:56 |
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| inte | tbr hscsd wasnt too bad that time. I had a cardphone 2.0 and the speed was quite ok | 12:57 |
| tbr | cardphone <3 | 12:58 |
| tbr | had one too | 12:58 |
| tbr | even worked as a super bulky smartphone in my Jornada 720 ;) | 12:58 |
| inte | I even had a Bosch/Siemens (dont remember the model #) for a while which was the only phone to support dataspeed up to 56k | 12:59 |
| inte | tbr hehe I only had a pcmcia wifi card in my ipaq running Linux around 2000 or so that was fun as well :) | 12:59 |
| ighea_ | inte: ~200kbps | 13:00 |
| inte | ighea_: well then its defineately EDGE | 13:00 |
| ighea_ | determined by netradar | 13:00 |
| inte | thanks | 13:00 |
| inte | yeah netradar is pretty cool | 13:01 |
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| meklu | :O | 13:01 |
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| meklu | my first phone, the Nokia 6150, was 141g | 13:02 |
| meklu | and so is the Jolla | 13:02 |
| inte | maybe Eplus changed something in their network settings since they are mergin with O2 in Germany and I dont know if O2 supports EDGE at all | 13:02 |
| ighea_ | I'm within 4G coverage, but I prefer 2G because of the obvius battery life reasons. I can just toggle the network by using Radio Switch if necessary. | 13:02 |
| inte | meklu: hehe | 13:02 |
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| inte | ighea_: so there is no 3G in your area? 3G standby doesnt seem to much worse than 2G | 13:03 |
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| inte | meklu: my first phone was a Nokia as well *of course*: Eplus PT11 aka Nokia 2110. | 13:03 |
| ighea_ | inte: oh we do have, but the difference is tremendous | 13:04 |
| ighea_ | at least on my use cases | 13:04 |
| inte | Was a good phone, they even brought out some Lithium Ion batteries years after it was released :) | 13:04 |
| inte | ighea_: I once heard 3G coverage can be higher than 2G when switching cells often, but it could be even better when your not moving | 13:05 |
| inte | dont know the details behind that claim, though | 13:05 |
| inte | not coverage | 13:05 |
| inte | i ment barrery usage | 13:06 |
| inte | battery | 13:06 |
| inte | damed | 13:06 |
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| ighea_ | please, do not attempt to fix that one too :) | 13:06 |
| inte | hehe | 13:07 |
| inte | yeah | 13:07 |
| inte | was too late yesterday. I guess I need some coffee :) | 13:07 |
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| Jare | inte: well i'm not seeing edge there either, but i'm getting ~150/60 kbps in a 2G network, which is basically ~edge speed | 13:10 |
| inte | Jare: yeah thanks it obviously not possible to gain this information out of contexkit-monitor | 13:11 |
| inte | I will try netradar | 13:11 |
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| inte | 117 kbit/s | 13:20 |
| inte | after several failures | 13:20 |
| inte | so Im on EDGE as well, thanks @all for comments | 13:20 |
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| chem|st | inte: vote for the technology indicator display on the transfer icon @tjc if need be! | 13:30 |
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| chem|st | jmlich: ah yeah, share when you find it! | 13:31 |
| inte | chem|st: I would if I'd find it... :) | 13:33 |
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| inte | https://together.jolla.com/question/7075/cellular-data-service-info-gprsedgeumtshsdpahsupa/ | 13:34 |
| inte | probably | 13:34 |
| * inte upvoted | 13:36 | |
| special | nice URL | 13:36 |
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| AJAX555 | crash reports, when? | 14:15 |
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| AJAX555 | also, does anyone have any idea why jolla crashes every 7 days? | 14:16 |
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| artemma | Somebody called me on my Jolla during a doctor appointment today. Had to remove battery as UI froze so that it didn't even show who was calling. Amazingly it didn't prevent ringing tone from playing | 14:20 |
| Bysmyyr | AJAX555: btrfs problems? | 14:20 |
| artemma | Not a nice feeling to explain that I tend to have half working phone due to my profession :| | 14:21 |
| artemma | Interestingly after booting up again there was even no call in the call log, like it never happened. Fortunately the caller has sent SMS as well so I managed to conenct back | 14:21 |
| artemma | sorry, but shame on jolla | 14:22 |
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| AJAX555 | Bysmyyr: dunno | 14:23 |
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| stephg | AJAX555: output of btrfs fi sh and btrfs fi df / | 14:30 |
| stephg | will tell you if you're flirting with space issues | 14:30 |
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| AJAX555 | meh, doesn't want me to connect to it using putty | 14:42 |
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| AJAX555 | oh yeah.. it was devel-su and not su | 14:49 |
| Bysmyyr | AJAX555: find that article from tjc | 14:49 |
| Bysmyyr | there is command how to test that | 14:50 |
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| pdanek | Are you still excited about mobile hardware? | 18:16 |
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| RzR | hi xfade_ | 19:10 |
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| RzR | is there anyone here who can introduce me to xfade_ ? | 19:10 |
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| nad6234 | does anyone know of any jolla/sailfishos podcasts? | 19:30 |
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| inte | is it possible to add voip accounts? | 19:58 |
| inte | just noted there is a setting for intercall-ringtones but what is it good for...? | 19:59 |
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| nad6234 | inte: is it international calls? a different ring tone for them? | 20:32 |
| inte | in my translation its internetanruf | 20:34 |
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| inte | internet calls in english | 20:35 |
| inte | see for yourself | 20:35 |
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| nad6234 | oic. internet calls. yeah that's more likely! | 20:35 |
| inte | nad6234 its in the sounds and signals settings | 20:35 |
| inte | yeah but how do i make internetcalls? | 20:36 |
| nad6234 | inte: you are right. good question | 20:37 |
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| inte | i would need to add some sip/skype/gtalk/jitsi/whatevervoicecallprovider first | 20:37 |
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| chem|st | inte: voip is not setup yet | 22:27 |
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| chem|st | telepathy bits are missing | 22:28 |
| inte | chem so this is a setting for future use? | 22:28 |
| chem|st | yes | 22:28 |
| inte | ah thanks | 22:29 |
| chem|st | I don't know if it is taken in account for android though | 22:29 |
| inte | wouldnt it be possible to copy the skype telepathy plugin from the n9 then? | 22:30 |
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| chem|st | I am waiting for sip as I have LTE coverage now and could have my landline "extended" (lag on UMTS is horrible) | 22:30 |
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| inte | yeah | 22:30 |
| chem|st | inte: I have no clue about tp-plugins but I doubt that it is that easy or we would just have the full telepathy stack at hand | 22:31 |
| chem|st | find someone to provide a proof of concept and jolla will take it from there | 22:32 |
| chem|st | at least that is what "he" said | 22:32 |
| inte | i have no clue about tp eithet but i thought it was somewhat standardized and open source... | 22:33 |
| inte | well lets wait until sip gets available for jolla in the first place. cant be long if the ringtone settings are already there:) | 22:36 |
| chem|st | inte: they are there from the beginning and the "we take over if someone provides a working plugin" | 22:37 |
| inte | oh. thought they where new. never noticed them before... | 22:38 |
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