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| lainwir3d | hi | 06:57 |
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| tadzik | hi | 08:03 |
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| tadzik | does anyone have experience with using android VPN clients on jolla? | 08:03 |
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| coderus | tadzik: it's not possible | 08:17 |
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| tadzik | ah, shame | 08:24 |
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| entil | [19:10] < SK_work> entil: do you know qml ? | 08:48 |
| entil | SK_work: barely ;P | 08:48 |
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| entil | SK_work: anything even slightly "advanced" I picked up here :> | 08:49 |
| entil | SK_work: why? | 08:49 |
| SK_work | entil: because you can simply patchmanage your issue | 08:51 |
| entil | SK_work: does that mean submitting a pull request? | 08:52 |
| SK_work | (read /usr/share/jolla-messages/qml/<something> file and tweak it + patch it and redistribute ?) | 08:52 |
| * tadzik wonders if he can improve Media this way | 08:52 | |
| entil | SK_work: I was hoping it to be a conf option | 08:53 |
| tadzik | entil: what feature are you looking for? | 08:53 |
| entil | [18:28] < entil> plz upvote ;) https://together.jolla.com/question/51472/reverse-sms-view/ | 08:53 |
| SK_work | entil: you can hope a lot of stuff from Jolla, but they might not have time / want to implement all features | 08:54 |
| SK_work | a patch makes it work easily though :) | 08:54 |
| tadzik | oh, hm | 08:54 |
| entil | SK_work: I know that :D I just had to get the idea out there ;) | 08:54 |
| entil | I really have nfi if the relevant components are open-source | 08:54 |
| entil | and how to patch this | 08:54 |
| tadzik | I like it the way it is, but I support every effort to have configuration options for everything possible :) | 08:54 |
| SK_work | entil: https://github.com/sailfishos-patches/sailfishos-patches-base <- go here and open a bug | 08:55 |
| entil | SK_work: thanks, maybe later. one reason to open something on tjc is to not have to do it myself | 08:55 |
| tadzik | hehe | 08:55 |
| entil | it's not like I'm the kid of father time who can stretch the days at will | 08:55 |
| entil | ooh extra 8 hours a day, with no fatigue | 08:55 |
| entil | :D | 08:55 |
| SK_work | entil: problem is to make it appears elsewhere where devs are or jolla people are | 08:56 |
| entil | I thought tjc was the place for that stuff :< | 08:56 |
| tadzik | you see Jolla people responding there every now and then | 08:56 |
| entil | even if they didn't respond, if they don't bother reading it, what's the use of it? :P | 08:58 |
| SK_work | entil: well they do read | 08:58 |
| SK_work | but it's easy to miss stuff | 08:58 |
| entil | yeah, and I guess this is a marginal issue | 08:59 |
| SK_work | and there are other people that don't read a lot (I'm on IRC most of time, and seldomly on TJC) | 08:59 |
| entil | SK_work: if you promise me all the source code is open for adding a setting option for this, and the qml apparently is as well, I can promise I might look into it in the indeterminate future ;) | 09:00 |
| entil | but I'm happy with the jolla phone, it's the best there is, so this is a minor thing | 09:00 |
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| SK_work | entil: the fact is that it's not "fully open", as Jolla don't accept contributions in their core apps | 09:01 |
| SK_work | this said, there are people maintaining patches for their own enjoyment (since QML is available) | 09:01 |
| entil | so patching the qml locally is kind of a personal kludge and I'd hope to accomplish something more feature-like :P | 09:01 |
| entil | because from a cognition/ux point-of-view my proposal makes sense, that's how latin characters/text works | 09:02 |
| entil | and probably most other western ones :P sorry cyrillics and greeks :P | 09:02 |
| M4rtinK | still I hope some of those patches will get "upstreamed" eventually | 09:03 |
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| M4rtinK | keeping them up to date will be a maintenance burden | 09:03 |
| SK_work | M4rtinK: +1 | 09:04 |
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| SK_work | I'm hoping that if some patches are high quality, that they could be reviewed | 09:04 |
| SK_work | but there is also a design team at Jolla, that might not want too much tweak / settings | 09:05 |
| SK_work | a hidden switch is not bad though | 09:05 |
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| entil | if the settings subsystem is closed there can be no patches | 09:05 |
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| SK_work | entil: the settings subsystem is based on nemo-qml-plugin-system + g/dconf | 09:06 |
| SK_work | it's easily hacked too | 09:06 |
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| entil | SK_work: and adding stuff to the settings pulldown menu is also qml-only?-) | 09:07 |
| SK_work | which one ? | 09:07 |
| SK_work | settings pulldown menu ? | 09:07 |
| SK_work | most (if not all) ui is qml | 09:07 |
| tadzik | if it has a page, then it's qml | 09:08 |
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| SK_work | so basically, easy to hack | 09:08 |
| tadzik | there might be C++ pulling the strings tohugh | 09:08 |
| tadzik | I mean, not everything can be done in the qml itself | 09:08 |
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| entil | SK_work: not sure, there doesn't appear to be a good place for this maybe | 09:08 |
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| SK_work | entil: ?? | 09:08 |
| entil | apps -> messages | 09:08 |
| SK_work | tadzik: true, but sometimes, you get these c++ inside nemo, so more hackable | 09:09 |
| tadzik | troo | 09:09 |
| entil | that's it actually, I'd add it there, "show sent messages on the left" with default on, to accomodate what it now is, but storing the option of having them on the right side | 09:09 |
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| SK_work | entil: I have no pulley | 09:09 |
| SK_work | entil: ah yeah, of course | 09:09 |
| SK_work | rather "easy" | 09:09 |
| entil | SK_work: oh, the main screen pulley -> settings -> apps -> messages | 09:09 |
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| SK_work | entil: I click on settings app :P | 09:10 |
| tadzik | the Settings->Apps idea is pretty great, and pretty underused | 09:10 |
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| entil | SK_work: maybe I'll look into that qml and how it talks to gconf... some day... thanks | 09:13 |
| TMavica | https://twitter.com/TMavica/status/491511451555618816 | 09:14 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | well, I think Jolla is missing a lot of interesting contributions from the community by not having a proper upstrem for the UI | 09:15 |
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| M4rtinK_jolla_ | there are many good developer who migh want to "scratch an itch" and improve the UI for their use case | 09:17 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | but they currently can't without patching and maintaining the patch | 09:17 |
| TMavica | Any sailor can explain why Hong Kong have Jolla sell in their company without announcement?? | 09:20 |
| SK_work | M4rtinK_jolla_: it seems that designers are not happy about this :) | 09:21 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | then they should say why :) | 09:21 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | constructive criticism, etc. :) | 09:22 |
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| SK_work | M4rtinK_jolla_: yep, Jolla design team usually don't speak on twitter etc | 09:24 |
| SK_work | don't know why | 09:24 |
| SK_work | you can catch Jaakko Ropola on FB, but that's all | 09:24 |
| SK_work | and that's private discussion | 09:24 |
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| gexc | TMavica: Has jolla finished replacing the EU chargers with HK ones? LOL | 09:25 |
| TMavica | asking | 09:27 |
| TMavica | gexc: see my post https://www.facebook.com/groups/jollapioneer/ | 09:27 |
| TMavica | gexc: 2 pins | 09:29 |
| gexc | no facebook :-/ | 09:29 |
| gexc | so still the EU one | 09:29 |
| TMavica | yes. | 09:31 |
| TMavica | my fd going to buy from there | 09:33 |
| TMavica | dont want to wait | 09:33 |
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| TMavica | I would like to ask Li Ka Shing why this can happened! | 09:35 |
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| gexc | LOL | 09:38 |
| TMavica | u know? | 09:38 |
| gexc | maybe for bypassing Chinese certifications | 09:38 |
| TMavica | Li Ka Shing have invested in Jolla. | 09:38 |
| gexc | I do not know:-/ | 09:38 |
| gexc | or maybe just some empolyees selling in private | 09:39 |
| TMavica | if he attended the launch in Hong Kong, there will be many security | 09:39 |
| gexc | I know that they have built a QQ group for selling | 09:39 |
| TMavica | yes | 09:40 |
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| TMavica | the stock in Hong Kong and ship to China | 09:40 |
| gexc | and I do not think a sane company would do that | 09:40 |
| TMavica | as i know all stock is in Hong Kong | 09:41 |
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| gexc | so they have been in HK since Jan 2014? | 09:42 |
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| TMavica | i dont know that | 09:44 |
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| gexc | recently sold HK units are all from that batch :-) | 09:46 |
| Londonn | Hi, Jolla will create their own devices? Or collaborate with other vendors like google - android ? | 09:46 |
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| SK_work | Londonn: what ? | 09:48 |
| SK_work | Londonn: Jolla got their own device | 09:48 |
| SK_work | they won't collaborate with Google for sure | 09:48 |
| meklu | I think the idea here was 'does Jolla plan on sharing the OS with other vendors?' | 09:49 |
| TemeV | Londonn: I think the originial plan has always been to become "new google" in mobile phones, i.e. providing OS for other vendors | 09:50 |
| Londonn | Not with google. I mean htc, samsung, sony etc | 09:50 |
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| Londonn | meklu: right | 09:52 |
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| TemeV | Jolla just has to use own devices as a proof of consept to make the vendors interested | 09:54 |
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| Londonn | TemeV: If so then it will be bad with updates like android | 09:55 |
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| tadzik | good thing it's good with updates | 09:55 |
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| Londonn | TemeV: Own devices like apple better | 09:57 |
| TemeV | Londonn: what do you mean? | 09:57 |
| tadzik | my own devices don't like apple | 09:57 |
| TemeV | tadzik: :D | 09:58 |
| tadzik | not better than electricity, that's for sure | 09:58 |
| tadzik | (: | 09:58 |
| stephg | PSA: community meeting about to start in #mer-meetings | 09:59 |
| tadzik | interesting | 10:00 |
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| tadzik | freenode? | 10:00 |
| stephg | yep | 10:00 |
| tadzik | I seem to be alone there | 10:00 |
| SK_work | tadzik: #mer-meeting | 10:01 |
| tadzik | aha | 10:01 |
| cybette | tadzik: #mer-meeting | 10:01 |
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| tadzik | ok, I'll lurk :) | 10:01 |
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| SK_work | tadzik: it's usually interesting :) | 10:01 |
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| meklu | might as well lurk there then as well | 10:03 |
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| pdanek1 | Sometimes, when I have my 3g + wifi tethering on. | 10:32 |
| pdanek1 | And I make a phone call. | 10:32 |
| pdanek1 | The phone call terminates my 3g connection. | 10:32 |
| pdanek1 | Is it normal? | 10:32 |
| pdanek1 | Doesn't happen very often, but it happened twice or thrice. | 10:32 |
| stephg | pdanek1: 3g or 4g? | 10:33 |
| Nicd- | maybe the phone decided 2G had better signal for phone calls? | 10:33 |
| pdanek1 | I believe I had 4g allowed in settings, but 3g signal at the moment. | 10:34 |
| pdanek1 | But the internet was disconnected completely. | 10:34 |
| pdanek1 | During phone call. | 10:34 |
| Nicd- | if it went to 2G or 2.5G during the call it would disconnect internet since they don't have simultaneous calling and data (I think) | 10:35 |
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| tbr | that or it would at least stop the data flow | 10:36 |
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| pdanek1 | I see. | 10:37 |
| pdanek1 | So you can't have active gprs connection + phone call at the same time? | 10:37 |
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| cybette | pdanek1: during voice call, gprs connection will be suspended. there are exceptions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPRS#Hardware but most devices are Class B | 11:09 |
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| pdanek1 | cybette: I found that many Nokia phones were class A. | 11:12 |
| pdanek1 | I use tethered gprs quite often, I find it very useful. | 11:12 |
| pdanek1 | cybette: Do you know the best way, how to find out GPRS class of any device? Normally you don't find it in basic specifications, do you? | 11:13 |
| tbr | GSM is going the way of the dodo anyway. | 11:13 |
| tbr | pdanek1: the jolla does not support GPRS during a GSM call | 11:13 |
| tbr | not even the N9 did IIRC | 11:14 |
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| pdanek1 | tbr: GSM/GPRS is still major in the world and Jolla is suppoed to be successful in emerging markets which are full of GPRS :) | 11:14 |
| pdanek1 | So GSM going dodo isn't a case yet. | 11:14 |
| pdanek1 | Maybe in 10 years. | 11:15 |
| tbr | blablabla, look at the average Android handset/chipset: they don't | 11:15 |
| pdanek1 | I'm not putting Jolla against Android or current chipsets. | 11:15 |
| tbr | also there's no GSM in Japan and most networks started reducing GSM in favour of LTE and 3G deployments on the same bands | 11:15 |
| pdanek1 | Just saying that class A gprs should be still a major advantage of device. | 11:15 |
| pdanek1 | More than 4k display. ;) :D | 11:16 |
| tbr | the jolla _is_ an android device inside, keep that in mind | 11:16 |
| tbr | and it runs a current chipset | 11:16 |
| pdanek1 | tbr: oh, I didn't know | 11:16 |
| tbr | that's where libhybris comes from | 11:16 |
| tbr | and the whole HADK | 11:16 |
| pdanek1 | so Jolla wasn't done from scratch | 11:16 |
| pdanek1 | I see | 11:16 |
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| tbr | no chipset vendor will give you wayland drivers and non-bionic drivers for a mobile phone chipset | 11:17 |
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| tbr | all they do is give you a device/chipset with an basic android BSP | 11:17 |
| tbr | that's it | 11:17 |
| pdanek1 | That sucks. | 11:18 |
| tbr | and Jolla leverages that with ingenuity | 11:18 |
| tbr | and libhybris | 11:18 |
| tbr | I think it's awesome what they do with the limited situation they are in | 11:18 |
| pdanek1 | So iPhone, Windows Phone or BlackBerry, they all need to cooperate with chipset vendors to make drivers? | 11:18 |
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| tbr | yes | 11:19 |
| tbr | and that's very expensive | 11:19 |
| tbr | the android BSP is "free" | 11:19 |
| tbr | having custom drivers developed and supported costs a lot | 11:19 |
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| pdanek1 | Right! | 11:19 |
| pdanek1 | So that's why it is such a pain for Neo900 alike to make it all function. | 11:21 |
| tbr | Neo900 "solves" this by using a super ancient chip | 11:21 |
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| tbr | there are X11 accelerated drivers and sensor drivers etc for that | 11:22 |
| pp_ | even ms was looking at android hardware to make wp8 more appealing | 11:22 |
| sharpneli | Arm actually provides pure traditional linux drivers for Mali | 11:22 |
| sharpneli | QC on the other hand probably doesn't even know what Linux is. | 11:22 |
| tbr | the cost: you are stuck on a single core cortex-A8 | 11:22 |
| pdanek1 | I see. | 11:23 |
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| tbr | sharpneli: the Mali story is a can of worms though. Anand had a piece on it and Rob wrote an awesome blog post | 11:23 |
| sharpneli | tbr: Url? | 11:23 |
| sharpneli | I do know Mali kinda sucks but is there anything else? | 11:24 |
| pdanek1 | Would you say that Android BSP is most stable/mature? | 11:24 |
| pdanek1 | More than iOS, BB, WP8. | 11:24 |
| sharpneli | pdanek1: Best price/quality ratio | 11:24 |
| sharpneli | WP8 is just normal Qualcomm hardware, so the same that is on android phones. | 11:24 |
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| pdanek1 | Right | 11:25 |
| pdanek1 | iPhone + Blackberry isn't, AFAIK. | 11:25 |
| pdanek1 | Or... BB is more than iPhone. | 11:25 |
| sharpneli | iPhone uses chips designed by Apple. Tbh the A7 is the best there currently is. | 11:25 |
| pdanek1 | Only BB has some custom firmware for security, I'd say. | 11:25 |
| pdanek1 | iPhone is on its own. | 11:26 |
| pdanek1 | Yes. | 11:26 |
| tbr | sharpneli: seems it wasn't rob or I can't find the url right now... | 11:26 |
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| sharpneli | tbr: The last thing about Mali is the "Mali Midgard Explored" by anand at the start of this month | 11:27 |
| sharpneli | That I read that is | 11:27 |
| tbr | sharpneli: yes, and there is a blog post commenting this | 11:28 |
| tbr | sharpneli: ah, rob posted on g+ a link to luc's blog http://libv.livejournal.com/26635.html | 11:29 |
| sharpneli | Thanks! | 11:29 |
| sharpneli | Ah that's just about osource drivers | 11:30 |
| sharpneli | They do have good ol binary blob tho | 11:30 |
| sharpneli | But they're nowhere near as easily obtainable as the nvidia stack is | 11:31 |
| sharpneli | Nvidia PC heritage really shows. They distribute their mobile stuff almost as freely as their PC drivers. | 11:31 |
| sharpneli | And then we have Qualcomm which doesn't distribute drivers at all and locks everything down | 11:32 |
| tbr | yes and each binary driver comes from the soc vendor and has own quirks or lacks fixes from upstream etc | 11:32 |
| sharpneli | Yap | 11:32 |
| tbr | he names one vendor who managed to make generic drivers available that everyone now seems to prefer... | 11:33 |
| sharpneli | Ati? | 11:34 |
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| tbr | sharpneli: IIRC Allwinner has an generic mali driver | 11:36 |
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| sharpneli | tbr: Actually that blogpost states that Allwinner has died | 11:37 |
| tbr | lower, cubietech from allwinner sources built and free to distribute | 11:37 |
| pdanek1 | Do you believe in a possibility that NSA is getting access to some fingerprints from Apple? (the button fingerprint reader on iPhone). | 11:38 |
| pdanek1 | Or the fingerprints are only locally accessible? | 11:39 |
| pdanek1 | No way for Apple itself to find out? | 11:39 |
| sharpneli | tbr: Nice. Now it's just a question of performance. | 11:39 |
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| pdanek1 | Ok no. | 11:43 |
| pdanek1 | Apple said that the fingerprint never leaves the device. | 11:43 |
| pdanek1 | It's all local. | 11:43 |
| pdanek1 | I answered myself. :) | 11:43 |
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| meklu | fingerprint scanners aren't very reliable | 11:43 |
| meklu | there was a good thingy about this on mythbusters once | 11:44 |
| meklu | a piece of paper and some ink fooled a $20k(?) lock | 11:44 |
| pdanek | Apple claism their scanner is much more sophisticated. | 11:44 |
| pdanek | claims* | 11:44 |
| sharpneli | Well duh. Everything they do is simply magical! | 11:45 |
| pdanek | :D | 11:45 |
| meklu | there're also some pretty awful security implications | 11:46 |
| meklu | you can't really change your fingerprints | 11:46 |
| meklu | if that shit gets compromised or someone snaps your finger off, you're fucked | 11:46 |
| meklu | pardon the vulgar language :P | 11:46 |
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| pdanek | Maybe iPhones are not manufactured, but thousands of Chinese sorcerers conjure them. | 11:49 |
| Jare | "fingerprint never leaves the device" <- always imprinted on the surface of the device ;) | 11:49 |
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| sharpneli | Thankfully no lies about what info is given to NSA have ever been given so you can trust them :) | 11:50 |
| pdanek | Still, no matter what NSA does. | 11:51 |
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| pdanek | With the new sapphire displays on iPhone 6. | 11:51 |
| pdanek | People will jump on it. | 11:51 |
| pdanek | Always when you think that Apple is starting to fall behind. | 11:51 |
| pdanek | They come with new "must-have" thingy... | 11:52 |
| meklu | videoconferencing is sooo 1968 | 11:52 |
| pdanek | meklu: on iOS? | 11:52 |
| pdanek | BBM rocks. | 11:53 |
| meklu | they introduced 'facetime' at some point in the recent years | 11:54 |
| meklu | even though video calls had been a thing before they even released their first iPhone | 11:54 |
| chem|st | pdanek: and got hacked in <2h | 11:54 |
| chem|st | pdanek: (apple) | 11:54 |
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| pdanek | hehe | 11:55 |
| Nav | can't see the point of sapphire glass on a phone - if you need something that hard then clearly you're not looking after the phone, and ultimately its unlikely to help | 11:55 |
| chem|st | pdanek: saphire display is not a must have... | 11:55 |
| Nav | on my watch it does come in handy though :-) | 11:56 |
| meklu | it's probably only hyped because the previous models practically explode to bits on hitting the ground | 11:56 |
| pdanek | Nav: the tests have shown it to be VERY durable in terms of flexibility too, so not only you can't scratch it, you can't shatter it either. | 11:56 |
| pdanek | For many people, it will be must-have. | 11:56 |
| Nicd- | meklu: but before facetime nobody ever used video calls :P (except for skype on desktop) | 11:56 |
| pdanek | Like the recent patent from appl for all-glass phone. | 11:56 |
| meklu | I saw some fellow drop theirs from about half a meter, and the screen was completely screwed | 11:56 |
| meklu | I think it was the iPhone 4 | 11:57 |
| chem|st | Nav: I droped my N9 on concret, rocks, hard-floors and do not have a single scratch on the display | 11:57 |
| meklu | Nicd-: does anyone use video calls now either? :P | 11:57 |
| Nicd- | meklu: they do use facetime :P | 11:57 |
| pdanek | meklu: I do believe, the new sapphire will be absolutely un-comparable to Gorilla glass. | 11:57 |
| pdanek | Like, much much much more shatter-resistant. | 11:57 |
| Nicd- | I only know of three video call systems people use: facetime, skype and hangouts. and only facetime I've seen on mobile | 11:57 |
| pdanek | And much more scratch resistant. | 11:57 |
| Nav | Its tough stuff - I've smacked my watch on things hard enoguh to hurt my arm, the watch was unmarked :-) | 11:57 |
| chem|st | Nicd-: well they also claimed to be "the first" on videocalling mobile phones | 11:58 |
| tadzik | yeah, and with swipe to unlock, and round corners... | 11:58 |
| oh8gnz | my e7 dropped many many times during years.. first time it broke I stepped over it when rocks were under it | 11:58 |
| chem|st | Nav: I can probably pull a tank with my watch^^ | 11:58 |
| TemeV | didn't nokia have some video call system ages before apple | 11:58 |
| pdanek | + the sapphire that apple works with isn't standard sapphire glass, they claim to improve it | 11:58 |
| TemeV | nobody used it though | 11:58 |
| meklu | http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/gorilla-channel/Corning%C2%AE-Gorilla%C2%AE-Glass-vs.-Sapphire | 11:58 |
| meklu | wowie | 11:59 |
| chem|st | TemeV: there were several solutions | 11:59 |
| Nav | TemeV: Yup, I *think* my 6600 had it... | 11:59 |
| chem|st | TemeV: one of it was amsn on N900 | 11:59 |
| chem|st | TemeV: they were about voip+video, cell-video was there long before | 12:00 |
| pdanek | meklu: well, that's a video from Gorilla glass, sure it will be like that | 12:00 |
| pdanek | on the video on internet | 12:00 |
| pdanek | they got display from iPhone 6 | 12:00 |
| pdanek | and they just can't destroy it | 12:00 |
| TemeV | chem|st: ok | 12:00 |
| * tbr has seen video calls over ISDN :-> | 12:01 | |
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| pdanek | http://youtu.be/5R0_FJ4r73s | 12:02 |
| pdanek | I think the reason why we have Gorilla Glass instead of Sapphire now, is the price. | 12:02 |
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| chem|st | pdanek: jailbreak an iphone6 and put an open linux on it and I buy one - everything else is just burning "700eur" | 12:14 |
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| pdanek | chem|st: but from end-user point of view, why would anyone care to have open linux :) | 12:15 |
| pp_ | skype video worked fine on n900 :-) | 12:15 |
| pp_ | then n9 dropped video, probably due to non-technical reasons | 12:16 |
| chem|st | pp_: fine? are you kidding? | 12:16 |
| pdanek | People want their phone works as seamesly | 12:16 |
| pdanek | as seamlessly as their TV or watches :) | 12:16 |
| pp_ | well, the few times I tested it :-) | 12:16 |
| chem|st | pdanek: I want my Jolla, for now... | 12:17 |
| chem|st | pdanek: and n900 and n9 were pretty good consumer devices! | 12:17 |
| pdanek | chem|st: I agree. | 12:18 |
| pdanek | But I guess what people like on Apple, is the perfectionism for end-user. | 12:18 |
| pdanek | Perfect shiny UIs. | 12:19 |
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| chem|st | let SFOS grow a bit more stable and add some candy... iOS is just so locked up that it is getting unusable if you aren't just having it for browsing and texting | 12:19 |
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| pdanek | right | 12:19 |
| chem|st | if I want my smartphone to do only that my w880i was a better smartphone! 2 weeks battery, t9 kbd to text blindly... | 12:20 |
| chem|st | just because there were no integrated markets on the phones those beast did not get used on their full potential | 12:20 |
| pdanek | I suppose majority uses phone for basic functionality anyway. | 12:21 |
| pdanek | So locked-down isn't a problem for them. | 12:21 |
| pdanek | They just want this basic functionality to be as good as possible. | 12:21 |
| chem|st | I even had a GPS dongle headset with walkman controls... | 12:22 |
| pdanek | And I mean, as simple as possible too. | 12:22 |
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| chem|st | simple? the only thing with SFOS are the 4 push gestures... I cannot use a iOS as pressing the same button for everything is not a natural logic | 12:23 |
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| chem|st | same for android, why do context menus not close when I tap next to them? why do I have to use the back button? | 12:24 |
| chem|st | it is a fscking touch device... | 12:24 |
| pdanek | :D | 12:30 |
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| z1 | is there any hack to get the mail app to check a local maildir? I'm very new to jolla. If you anyone can recommend good links for hacking about with the jolla that would also be appreciated | 13:42 |
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| pdanek | The BlackBerry event in London in September, will it be public? | 13:52 |
| pdanek | Is it known when and where? | 13:52 |
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| SK_work | z1: what do you mean hack to show a local maildir ? | 14:08 |
| SK_work | I think you need to contribute code to qmf | 14:08 |
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| nad6234 | bit of a newbie question, but can i change the Ambience background on my (new!) jolla? | 14:18 |
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| Nicd- | yes | 14:21 |
| Nicd- | select a picture from the gallery for example, choose "create ambience" from pulldown menu | 14:21 |
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| Nicd- | you can also go to the gallery and favorite ambiences in the ambience folder, that way they will be available when you sideswipe in home screen | 14:22 |
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| nad6234 | great. thanks :-) | 14:24 |
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| z1 | SK_work: Well, I have a mail server set up on a remote server. I have always accessed it over ssh and don't really want to set up imap for security reasons. I'd much rather just put an rsync command in a cronjob on the phone and sync the maildir | 14:58 |
| SK_work | z1: :s | 14:58 |
| SK_work | then maybe hack nemo-qml-plugin-email / qmf or try get akonadi on phone ? | 14:59 |
| z1 | ...probably easier to justset up dovecot. I just don't fancy the hassle of dealing with ssl security | 15:04 |
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| chem|st | AL13N_work: my device arrived... the original one... shipped 25JUN14, tracking did never update after the initial scan | 16:45 |
| Nicd- | err... your device was being shipped for 6 months? | 16:46 |
| Yaniel | wat | 16:47 |
| SK_work | Oo | 16:49 |
| chem|st | jun not jan | 16:51 |
| Nicd- | aaaah, sorry | 16:52 |
| Nicd- | I misread that | 16:52 |
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| louisdk | Is it possible to use run a remote desktop server on my Jolla? I want to make a presentation about it and want to be able to show it off realtime on a Linux laptop. | 17:29 |
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| pdanek | tbr: is Alien Dalvik somehow dependant on Android BSP? Like, can you have Alien Dalvik on iPhone with proprietary device drivers? | 17:30 |
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| tbr | pdanek: I have no clue, it is closed source software and I don't bother with that | 17:33 |
| pdanek | tbr: my question was, does it matter for Alien Dalvik, what device drivers you have? | 17:34 |
| pdanek | Or the OS itself needs to have proper device drivers and then Alien Dalvik just uses OS to access device parts? | 17:35 |
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| tbr | pdanek: my answer remains the same. | 17:37 |
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| faenil | hello | 17:49 |
| Nicd- | is it me you're looking for? | 17:50 |
| faenil | me? | 17:50 |
| Nicd- | I can see it in your eyes | 17:51 |
| faenil | VDVsx: sorry that I haven't sent the core files yet :/ very busy lately... | 17:51 |
| faenil | Nicd-: you got me! | 17:51 |
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| chem|st | hmm I have the jolla logo hanging after the upgrade... | 18:00 |
| chem|st | install upgrade > reboot > logo | 18:00 |
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| Morpog_PC | chem|st, wait | 18:55 |
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| chem|st | what, I try again and again... | 19:12 |
| chem|st | I have no clue, I now upgrade without installing anything if that still hangs I send it back | 19:12 |
| Morpog_PC | so after the logo it boots into the system? or are you pressing power button? | 19:13 |
| chem|st | after logo I remove teh battery and go to recovery mode and reset the device! | 19:14 |
| Morpog_PC | err | 19:14 |
| chem|st | or do you have another idea? | 19:14 |
| chem|st | 2nd attempt now | 19:14 |
| Morpog_PC | how long did u wait on the logo? | 19:14 |
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| chem|st | after upgrade about 5minutes | 19:15 |
| Morpog_PC | is it jolla logo or sailfish logo? | 19:17 |
| Morpog_PC | how much space is left? | 19:17 |
| Morpog_PC | and what version were you on? | 19:17 |
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| Morpog_PC | maybe an update from terminal works betetr? | 19:20 |
| Morpog_PC | there you could see any error messages | 19:20 |
| chem|st | jolla logo, the device is freshly flashed from care, I rsynced my backup which was from the same release which is now factory default... 7.16 | 19:21 |
| Morpog_PC | could be too less space then | 19:21 |
| chem|st | second try I just altered some etc files and rsynced home | 19:21 |
| Morpog_PC | maybe the old btrfs balance thing | 19:21 |
| chem|st | hmm | 19:21 |
| Morpog_PC | https://together.jolla.com/question/51314/sailfishos-update-ui-should-hint-user-if-not-enought-space-when-upgrade/ | 19:22 |
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| chem|st | I will just recover the vault backup now and the I upgrade... | 19:22 |
| chem|st | rumours say that is a good idea | 19:23 |
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| Morpog_PC | hope it turns out fine for you, I'm going to relax a bit on my couch now watching some trash tv | 19:24 |
| chem|st | :) | 19:25 |
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| chem|st | downloading | 19:25 |
| Morpog_Jolla_ | forgot that i can take my jolla with me :) | 19:26 |
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| chem|st | hmm now I might have ran into that hidden full mmc thing, it stops downloading at about 5% | 20:35 |
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| chem|st | 6th attempt worked now I guess | 20:39 |
| pesasa | I had also that problem with "full" memory. Tried to install upgrade several times, until I figured out to delete 2 GB data. | 20:42 |
| pesasa | Then it installed successfully. Well at least mostly. Most things were installed, but I still had to run that upgrade once and then the version number was changed. | 20:44 |
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| pdanek1 | Nokia X has the same destiny as N9 had. | 21:11 |
| pdanek1 | Canceled shortly after release with just words: we will continue supporting it. | 21:12 |
| pdanek1 | It's like Elop trying: let's see if I can do it again. | 21:13 |
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| dunp | elop does not like linux | 21:14 |
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| chem|st | upgrade is hanging again... at 5% after it was hanging at 95%... | 21:38 |
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