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| Venemo_j | hey! | 06:10 |
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| covox | hi | 06:16 |
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| Nicd- | hey Venemo_j, what's the IRC app's QML licenced with? | 06:24 |
| Venemo_j | Nicd-: IIRC MIT | 06:25 |
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| Nicd- | ok, good | 06:25 |
| Venemo_j | no wait | 06:26 |
| Venemo_j | it's BSD | 06:26 |
| Nicd- | so roughly equivalent | 06:26 |
| Venemo_j | Nicd-: https://github.com/communi/communi-sailfish/blob/master/qml/main.qml | 06:26 |
| Venemo_j | it's there | 06:26 |
| Nicd- | thanks | 06:28 |
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| Venemo_j | have a look at http://choosealicense.com/licenses/ for some details and comparison :) | 06:28 |
| Nicd- | yeah, mine is MIT | 06:28 |
| Venemo_j | I'm pretty sure nobody's gonna go after you if you borrow some code from us | 06:29 |
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| Venemo_j | why do you ask btw? | 06:29 |
| Nicd- | I know, but it's better to be sure on these issues | 06:30 |
| Nicd- | I'm writing a weechat relay client and your UI is nice | 06:30 |
| Nicd- | https://bitbucket.org/vincit/harbour-weechatrelay/overview | 06:30 |
| Venemo_j | why not contribute to our app? | 06:31 |
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| Nicd- | well, this is not an IRC client so the protocol is completely different | 06:31 |
| Nicd- | but my code is MIT so you're free to rip it out and use it if you want | 06:33 |
| Venemo_j | ah, I see | 06:33 |
| Venemo_j | feel free to use code from our ui. I'm pretty sure jpnurmi is not going to be mad either :) | 06:34 |
| Venemo_j | I'm just happy you like it | 06:34 |
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| Nicd- | currently I'm having some problems with my pushupmenu: http://files.nytsoi.net/p36C.png :D | 06:35 |
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| Venemo_j | heh | 06:36 |
| Nicd- | but the protocol is implemented: https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/110693235602405640560/albums/6035244761581630129/6035244766920094754?pid=6035244766920094754&oid=110693235602405640560 | 06:37 |
| Venemo_j | I dunno, but feel free to look at how we did it | 06:37 |
| Nicd- | yeah, I'll have to study it | 06:37 |
| Nicd- | are the side-drawers Silica Panels? | 06:37 |
| Venemo_j | the default components gallery app also has an example of it | 06:38 |
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| Venemo_j | no | 06:39 |
| Venemo_j | they are custom made | 06:39 |
| Nicd- | ah, ok | 06:40 |
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| Venemo_j | the browser is glitchy | 07:35 |
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| Venemo_j | sometimes it mistakes a tap for another click target... | 07:36 |
| lainwir3d | hi | 07:36 |
| lainwir3d | Venemo_j: It happens to me to. When I zoom on some web pages. When I unzoom the tap are precise again. | 07:36 |
| oh8gnz | had to admit that I've used Opera all the time... Jolla's browser is not good enough, yet, I hope | 07:36 |
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| Teme | anyone using Glance screen? i have some issues with it, mainly that it does not appear | 07:37 |
| Venemo_j | happens to me without zooming | 07:37 |
| Teme | except for once, when i wiped the screen on my shirt | 07:37 |
| Teme | so it's there, but not working | 07:37 |
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| Venemo_j | what is the glance screen? | 07:37 |
| Teme | http://jollasuomi.fi/kuinka-asentaa-glance-screen-jollaan/ | 07:38 |
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| Venemo_j | sorry, I don't speak Finnish | 07:38 |
| Teme | now it appeared again randomly when i tapped on the screen, but it's not appearing every time i touch... :( | 07:38 |
| Teme | Venemo_j: devel-su | 07:39 |
| Teme | pkcon update | 07:39 |
| Teme | pkcon install mce-tools | 07:39 |
| Teme | mcetool –set-low-power-mode=enabled | 07:39 |
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| Venemo_j | well | 07:39 |
| Teme | the video should explain the concept | 07:39 |
| Venemo_j | seems it's "not there yet" | 07:39 |
| Venemo_j | I know of this but it seems it's not in the production release | 07:40 |
| Teme | for sure not, but some users have it working | 07:40 |
| chriadam | Teme: it shouldn't show on touch, but on proximity sensor | 07:41 |
| pp_ | works for me (assuming using it as intended, it's triggered by the proximity sensor) | 07:41 |
| chriadam | I believe | 07:41 |
| Teme | where's the proximity sensor placed? | 07:41 |
| Jope | to the right of the earpiece | 07:41 |
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| Teme | so you have to do some jedi hand-waving to get it to show :D | 07:42 |
| Jope | you have to cover it for a few sec | 07:42 |
| Teme | thanks, that's what i needed to know | 07:42 |
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| pp_ | upside down works | 07:43 |
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| Jope | umop apisdn | 07:43 |
| artemma | oh8gnz: do yiou mean there's Opera browser runnable on Sailfish OS? | 07:43 |
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| Teme | on android layer | 07:45 |
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| Teme | i use it exclusively, although it doesn't support gestures it's still far superior to Jolla's browser, or any other mobile browser for that matter :) | 07:48 |
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| artemma | oh8gnz: do yiou mean there's Opera browser runnable on Sailfish OS? | 07:52 |
| * artemma is using WebCat that is passable, but not really on par with iOS and Android browsers | 07:53 | |
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| Nicd- | artemma: Teme just answered you :P | 07:58 |
| artemma | Nicd-: it seems my connection went down when it happened :/ | 07:58 |
| Nicd- | ah | 07:58 |
| Nicd- | [10:45:00] < Teme> on android layer | 07:58 |
| artemma | ah, Android | 07:58 |
| artemma | I tried using Android Chrome browser on Jolla. It is indeed good and noticeably faster than anything native on Jolla, but.. | 07:59 |
| artemma | as with all Android stuff on Jolla it is only good if you run just it and no other apps #multitaskingtheysay | 07:59 |
| Teme | new update resolves that | 08:00 |
| artemma | maybe should try Opera - it might take less memory | 08:00 |
| Teme | android apps now get separate tiles | 08:00 |
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| artemma | my Android issue is mostly with performance, not tiles | 08:00 |
| * artemma is known for complaining about frequent freezes of his jolla | 08:00 | |
| Teme | oh, i never ran into any problems with performance, i'm running Android Skype and Opera 24/7 | 08:01 |
| artemma | yeah, I guess I need to take zzste's offer eventually and bring Jolla to them for having a look | 08:02 |
| artemma | I tend to think it's more about my particularly low tolerance to slowness, but maybe there's indeed something wrong with my device | 08:02 |
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| meklu | hmm, I haven't had anything I could really classify as a freeze on my device | 08:05 |
| * artemma just yesterday had several situations when managed to type two words on Messaging keyboard before characters started appearing | 08:06 | |
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| Londonn | Hello. how i can off messages about join (connect/disconnect) on the irc channel other users? | 08:58 |
| Nicd- | you need to consult the documentation of your IRC client | 08:59 |
| sledges | Londonn: http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/hide_join_part_messages | 08:59 |
| Londonn | my icr client webchat | 08:59 |
| Londonn | irc | 09:00 |
| Teme | Londonn: then i'd say no way :P | 09:00 |
| chem|st | AL13N_work: seems to be a hard matter to get a device to me... | 09:00 |
| sledges | Londonn: try: http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/hide_join_part_messages#qwebirc | 09:00 |
| chem|st | AL13N_work: it is now 3 weeks, on 15th care asked if the address to send to is still the one | 09:01 |
| Teme | oh, but this freenode client seems to be smarter than most | 09:01 |
| Nicd- | qwebirc is pretty ok for a webchat | 09:01 |
| Londonn | ok, thanks | 09:02 |
| sledges | we :) | 09:02 |
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| chem|st | tbr: do we have a tjc tracking channel, to discuss things "not so public"? | 09:03 |
| chem|st | eleroux1: re and thanks! | 09:03 |
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| tbr | chem|st: not at the moment, feel free to privmsg me. but we can open a back channel | 09:04 |
| sledges | there will be a moderators' ml | 09:04 |
| sledges | ping cybette | 09:04 |
| dr_gogeta86 | hi guys | 09:05 |
| dr_gogeta86 | sledges, kudos | 09:05 |
| dr_gogeta86 | also to carsten | 09:06 |
| tbr | sledges: ml is neat, but irc wouldn't hurt either | 09:07 |
| sledges | dr_gogeta86: thanks, i reckon you are about #sailfishos-porters topic? :) | 09:10 |
| sledges | tbr: yep, the wishlist of preferred ways to comm :) | 09:10 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | i sledges i was on break this weekend | 09:11 |
| sledges | that's what weekends are for.. wait a minute, what? | 09:11 |
| sledges | :)) | 09:11 |
| dr_gogeta86 | https://twitter.com/dr_gogeta86/status/490561315174633474/photo/1 | 09:12 |
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| eleroux1 | chem|st: kudos and thanks to you :) | 09:46 |
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| messerting | Any devs here that use security code on their Jolla? | 10:09 |
| messerting | I have some serious usability problems with the current implementation of "lock screen" | 10:10 |
| messerting | To me, the (hidden) notification screen is quite useless, as I can peek on it, but not press the notification before I have entered the security code (for which I have to go back to enter) | 10:11 |
| Nicd- | well it would be a security risk if you could open notifications without using the lock code. of course they could modify it so that if you click on one, it would open the lock input and then open the notification | 10:12 |
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| messerting | Nicd-: exactly. The way it is now is not good. | 10:15 |
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| Nicd- | you should write your suggestion on TJC | 10:16 |
| messerting | Also, the notification screen snould be merged with lock screen, and notifications should work the same way as on N9: Swipe the notification to open. I can't believe that being patented. Show me the patent :P | 10:16 |
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| messerting | I think it is already there, but merge with some other poorly related question | 10:17 |
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| messerting | Done: https://together.jolla.com/question/51437/merge-notification-and-lock-screen-swipe-to-open-like-n9/ | 10:26 |
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| louisdk | Hi. | 10:34 |
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| louisdk | I'm thinking of doing a light talk on Jolla/Sailfish OS for a bunch of Tech geeks, however I have some doubts. | 10:47 |
| roboro | do go on... | 10:49 |
| iekku | louisdk, why you have doubts? | 10:53 |
| iekku | or what kind of | 10:53 |
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| tbr | I suspect he has questions | 10:56 |
| tbr | many people say doubts, when they really mean questions. | 10:56 |
| iekku | :) | 10:57 |
| roboro | I'm thinking about migrating to the moon. I have some doubts. | 10:57 |
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| louisdk | tbr, iekku, you're right. What can I say to someone who asks why this is better than Android from a UX perceptive. They can be like "Great features and all that, but I like my Android UX and doesn't think of switching just because of the swipe features". | 11:04 |
| tbr | it's not just swipe features. it's a whole different usage paradigm | 11:05 |
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| rigo_ | louisdk, try to run an android device without google account | 11:08 |
| iekku | :) | 11:09 |
| rigo_ | try to determine what your android device is telling all those services | 11:11 |
| iekku | louisdk, as tbr said. | 11:11 |
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| rigo_ | BTW, the UX is not "my" motivation, it's mainly the phone you use when you have a linux desktop. | 11:13 |
| rigo_ | BTW, latest doesn't do "fish" kio-slave, but works with scp | 11:13 |
| rigo_ | and scp/ssh/fish transfer shouldn't really need to switch dev mode on | 11:14 |
| TemeV | rigo_: I kind of agree on that. I think there should be some "advanced mode" which enables ssh etc, but not all the developer stuff | 11:15 |
| rigo_ | yep, call it "brick" "hello world" "developer" | 11:16 |
| rigo_ | :) | 11:16 |
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| TemeV | :D | 11:17 |
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| louisdk | My motivation is Linux base, and I also think the UX is really nice and unique and personally prefer it over Android. I just have a very strong feeling that someone will ask me why they should switch to this from Android/iOS. Also I'll probbably get asked for a use case for SailfishOS. How I will see a use for it as it's develops. | 11:19 |
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| louisdk | My that on it would be telling about Jollas history, the toughs and FOSS tech behind SailfishOS. Then I'll the unique UX and if people like it then great, if they doubt then try it and if they don't the decide if privacy and open development is a motivation for you. I also want to present the Jolla Phone as a proof of concept device for hackers, fans and early adopters so people will not judge Sailfish OS by the first phone. | 11:23 |
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| sledges | I like GestureOrientationLock - one friend already wants jolla just because of that :D | 11:26 |
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| gexc | rigo_: it seems fish:// still works | 12:19 |
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| gexc | with dolphin | 12:20 |
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| Nicd- | anyone else have connection problems in mitakuuluu 0.8.1? | 12:58 |
| louisdk | Did I miss any answers. Any logs available? | 12:59 |
| Nicd- | louisdk: nope, you didn't miss anything | 13:00 |
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| louisdk | What do you tell someone who asks you how you think Sailfish could be used in the future? | 13:48 |
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| Aard | world domination? | 13:50 |
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| chem|st | Aard: I was close to "lose" my tablet (droid) in the alps... "oops, it dropped - 500meters" | 13:51 |
| Aard | I'd like to see the sensor data of such a fall :) | 13:52 |
| chem|st | a "galaxy note" like phone/tablet with a pen or a phone with kbd and pen would be a real game changer eg world domination | 13:52 |
| chem|st | Aard: can give you the gps-tracking^^ | 13:53 |
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| chem|st | while hicking a 700m airdistance track 600m elevation I was close to drop it - gps track looks like flying as the track was such a steep climb that with 5m precision I was up or down 50m within seconds^^ | 13:55 |
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| chem|st | is the nexus tablet port usable by now? | 13:56 |
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| chem|st | I was thinking about buying a nex7(2012) for 160eur... | 13:57 |
| chem|st | s/usable/consumer-friendly/ | 13:57 |
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| grammoboy | good idea to buy an n9 and put sailfish on it? | 14:23 |
| messerting | grammoboy: no, the CPU in the N9 is probably too weak | 14:24 |
| grammoboy | messerting, hmm, is nexus 4 better? | 14:24 |
| grammoboy | jolla mobile is too expensive for me and hard to get 2nd hand | 14:25 |
| grammoboy | all though I like the project | 14:25 |
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| messerting | grammoboy: I haven't tried Sailfish on my N9, but I think there are some vids on the net | 14:27 |
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| messerting | Personally, I find the N9 with Harmattan a bit laggy, and expect Sailfish to be worse on the old hardware | 14:27 |
| messerting | Don't know much about the Nexus, but if the problems with the Jolla continues, I will probably go that route myself | 14:28 |
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| * messerting Celebrates 5 days uptime on my Jolla | 14:29 | |
| grammoboy | hm | 14:29 |
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| stephg | messerting: what problems | 14:30 |
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| Mting | stephg Random shutdowns | 14:33 |
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| Mting | crappy cam | 14:34 |
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| messerting | I suggest to vote on this: https://together.jolla.com/question/643/feature-request-rss-in-events-feeds/ | 14:57 |
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| entil | plz upvote ;) https://together.jolla.com/question/51472/reverse-sms-view/ | 15:28 |
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| SK_work | entil: do you know qml ? | 16:10 |
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| CosmicDuck | Hi, I've a question about bt: it looks like every time i power off my car radio or my headset which is connected with my jolla, also bt stack on jolla is also disabled. Is this the normal behavior? | 17:28 |
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| lainwir3d | CosmicDuck: nope. I don't think so. | 17:39 |
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| CosmicDuck | hm, mayben i should have a log on the messages... | 17:44 |
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| CosmicDuck | look | 17:45 |
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| Mark_Dillon | Hello! | 17:50 |
| anonfriese | wooh, celebrities in the channel :) | 17:51 |
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| Mark_Dillon | ну | 17:51 |
| tbr | rrright | 17:51 |
| FiSHBoY | who spell their own name wrong? ;) | 17:51 |
| Mark_Dillon | ye | 17:51 |
| * tbr suggests Mark_Dillon get's a more imaginative nick | 17:51 | |
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| Mark_Dillon | we are out release jolla launcher 0.21 alpha | 17:53 |
| Mark_Dillon | )) | 17:54 |
| anonfriese | sadly /happilyi don't have an android device anymore... but would be interesting to see if the android runtime on sailfish can run the sailfish launcher, so sailfish in sailfish -> sailception ;) | 17:54 |
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| TemeV | "I put sailfish in your sailfish so you can swipe while you swipe" | 18:13 |
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| stephg | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/21/ios_firmware_contains_packet_sniffer_and_host_of_secret_spying_tools/ | 21:16 |
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| javispedro | ok, so I'm right now performing BLE scanning on my jolla AND Wi-Fi is still working | 21:47 |
| javispedro | now to try to figure out what the hell I did. | 21:48 |
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| keithzg | I have to say, I'm repeatedly awestruck by my Jolla's idle time. Mind you, being without a cellular connection as it is undoubtedly helps. But it's been idling and occasionally used (a bit of browsing, some updating of apps, using ocNews which is still the best RSS reader on mobile) for over a week now, and is still above 50% charge! | 23:00 |
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| tadzik | wow | 23:14 |
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