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| lrtz | I started receiving lots of email spam after registering jolla account | 10:03 |
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| reviewjolla | Anyone here with dev mode enabled? | 10:27 |
| stephg | yes | 10:27 |
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| reviewjolla | I'm gathering some info about memory handling, could you run "btrfs fi show" | 10:28 |
| stephg | sec | 10:29 |
| reviewjolla | other too if anyone here? | 10:30 |
| stephg | http://pastie.org/9406942 | 10:30 |
| reviewjolla | Thanks. What does your settings > system > info shows as storage usage? | 10:30 |
| reviewjolla | oh and by the way, that seems fine ;) | 10:31 |
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| stephg | no idea, my phone is next door | 10:31 |
| TemeV | reviewjolla: http://pastebin.com/Zqd5SY4r | 10:32 |
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| stephg | df says my root is using 41% | 10:32 |
| reviewjolla | TemeV Do you have any app crashers / other issues? | 10:33 |
| TemeV | reviewjolla: sometimes phone gets stuck and lipstick crashes | 10:33 |
| TemeV | when having lot of apps open | 10:33 |
| reviewjolla | stephg Not useful for this "study" ;) | 10:34 |
| pesasa | reviewjolla: http://pastie.org/9406944 | 10:34 |
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| reviewjolla | TemeV pesasa Now you two have just the readings I could use... pesasa do you have app crashes / issues? | 10:35 |
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| pesasa | Yep. | 10:35 |
| stephg | exactly when people will start having issues depends on their usage, the size of the files they end up trying to write and when they're writing them | 10:35 |
| pesasa | In february I had more of those. | 10:35 |
| pesasa | Now less frequently. | 10:36 |
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| reviewjolla | TemeV pesasa Can you both run "top" after reboot+10 minutes of not using the phone | 10:36 |
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| pesasa | During last upgrade the upgrade kept rebooting until I made some more space (deleted about 2 GB). | 10:37 |
| stephg | reviewjolla: kinda curious why you think there may be memory behaviour things going on there also | 10:37 |
| pesasa | reviewjolla: My system info says: 8,5 GB / 13,7 GB. | 10:37 |
| stephg | TemeV: pesasa: you could probably both do with moving some of your larger files to your sdcard and runing a btrfs balance | 10:38 |
| reviewjolla | stephg btrsf stuff, not sure if there is or not (finding out) | 10:38 |
| TemeV | stephg: buyind sdcard has been on my todolist for half an year now :) | 10:38 |
| stephg | pretty sure there's not re: the memory but being unable to allocate files leads to some seriously whacky behaviour | 10:38 |
| pesasa | I havent been using sdcard in my Jolla at all. | 10:38 |
| reviewjolla | good to know | 10:38 |
| TemeV | reviewjolla: booted now | 10:39 |
| stephg | https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 10:39 |
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| stephg | is a good read for the 'hows' 'whys' 'wut' 'wtf' of it all :) | 10:39 |
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| reviewjolla | ok, I'll be back in 10 mins. Meanwhile, a third user with "devid 1 size 13.75GB used 13.75GB path /dev/mmcblk0p28" after running "btrsf fi show" might be helpful | 10:41 |
| pesasa | reviewjolla: Couple of months ago I had this constant reboot loop problem. It was repaired by entering recovery console with usb+computer+telnet and some btrfs fix in the menu. | 10:42 |
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| pesasa | Rebooted | 10:50 |
| reviewjolla | pesasa ok | 10:50 |
| TemeV | reviewjolla: http://pastebin.com/qiye6Tck | 10:51 |
| TemeV | no app really using cpu | 10:51 |
| TemeV | *cpu or memory | 10:52 |
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| Venemo_j | hm | 10:53 |
| Venemo_j | jolla battery life is rocking | 10:53 |
| Venemo_j | if I don't use it hard, it's enough if I recharge it every two days | 10:53 |
| reviewjolla | TemeV looking great, now could you use Jolla Browser with few tabs until it get's a bit slow, then check "top" again. pesasa follow up ;) | 10:54 |
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| TemeV | 1412 nemo 20 0 785m 334m 122m S 40.3 41.3 1:28.15 sailfish-browse | 10:56 |
| TemeV | http://pastebin.com/dbvFSUyR | 10:57 |
| reviewjolla | TemeV "Cpu(s):16700.0%us,900.0%sy" :D | 10:57 |
| TemeV | :D | 10:58 |
| locusf | wtf | 10:58 |
| TemeV | when I'm using the browser it is something 50-60% most of the time | 10:59 |
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| reviewjolla | Still going on... Now start some heavy Sailfish apps, and finally one Android app (expecting it to crash). Top once more (last check). pesasa follow up | 10:59 |
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| TemeV | I don't know if I have anything heavy... | 10:59 |
| reviewjolla | browser, camera, media, calendar... | 10:59 |
| reviewjolla | oh and store too ;) | 11:00 |
| TemeV | oh, they count as heavy :) | 11:00 |
| TemeV | well, camera of course does | 11:00 |
| reviewjolla | at this point heavy enough | 11:00 |
| TemeV | ok, jolla is getting sluggish | 11:02 |
| reviewjolla | at least you should see a clear slowdown in the Android app. That should be enough, top please ;) | 11:02 |
| TemeV | http://pastebin.com/ZNKwujcg | 11:03 |
| TemeV | that is without android app | 11:03 |
| pesasa | reviewjolla: reboot+10 http://pastie.org/9406975 | 11:03 |
| reviewjolla | great pesasa, similar result | 11:03 |
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| reviewjolla | TemeV, I suppose the readings in "btrfs fi show" are still the same? (just making sure) | 11:04 |
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| TemeV | reviewjolla: yep readings are the same | 11:05 |
| reviewjolla | It seems that Jolla might have problems using the swap file in your case... | 11:05 |
| TemeV | android apps are basically unusable :) | 11:05 |
| reviewjolla | Did the Android app stay running? | 11:06 |
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| TemeV | reviewjolla: http://pastebin.com/X9gBjF8d with couple of android apps | 11:06 |
| TemeV | reviewjolla: yes they are still running | 11:07 |
| TemeV | but sloooooow | 11:07 |
| pesasa | reviewjolla: 12 tabs, not really getting slow: http://pastie.org/9406978 | 11:08 |
| reviewjolla | Well, still running anyway... But I suppose I got enough data for now, thanks a lot to you! | 11:08 |
| TemeV | np. Glad to help :) | 11:08 |
| TemeV | I started firefox and phone got really stuck, but nothing crashed | 11:09 |
| reviewjolla | pesasa you have some more cache there, good. Follow up ;) | 11:09 |
| reviewjolla | TemeV btw, never seen 16700% Cpu. That's a Kernel bug (showing wrong readings) | 11:11 |
| pesasa | reviewjolla: several (8) Sailfish apps: http://pastie.org/9406983 | 11:12 |
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| reviewjolla | hmm... differs | 11:12 |
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| reviewjolla | sluggish at all? | 11:12 |
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| stephg | reviewjolla: there's a tjc about that, please add stuff to https://together.jolla.com/question/48490/kernel-update-bug-in-procstat/ | 11:14 |
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| stephg | (or TemeV :) ) | 11:14 |
| reviewjolla | I will, thanks stephg | 11:15 |
| pesasa | Only a little sluggis, not much at all. I got a call also during this. :-) | 11:16 |
| stephg | reviewjolla: I know the sailors haven't been able to reproduce that consistently so it's great that you found a way :) | 11:16 |
| reviewjolla | pesasa top when sluggish? Android app added | 11:16 |
| pesasa | Well sluggis mainly when switching from app to another. After switch works ok. | 11:17 |
| reviewjolla | I guess you won't have as bad slow down there... 1Gb more storage should have an effect on this | 11:17 |
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| pesasa | Firefox started and works fine. | 11:17 |
| reviewjolla | pesasa Your Jolla is moving data between ram/swap/cache much better | 11:18 |
| pesasa | reviewjolla: 9 apps including Android Firefox: http://pastie.org/9406992 | 11:19 |
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| reviewjolla | last top pesasa, and thanks! I was very lucky to run into you two. Now some small analyse to do, we're done here. TemeV, clean up a bit if you have some extra big files there ;) ;) | 11:20 |
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| TemeV | reviewjolla: It seems I need to buy that sd-card... | 11:21 |
| reviewjolla | pesasa catched it from you too: "Cpu(s):17100.0%us,11100.0%sy" New world record =D | 11:21 |
| pesasa | :-) | 11:21 |
| tigeli | 10 tabs in browser, 8 other native apps running, started clas of clans -> works ok | 11:21 |
| reviewjolla | tigeli I was thinking about a third report... Do you have developer mode enabled? | 11:22 |
| pesasa | I have one 32 GB sdcard, class 10, in other device. Mayby I'll switch it in Jolla. :-) | 11:22 |
| tigeli | reviewjolla: I work for jolla ;) | 11:22 |
| reviewjolla | oops :D | 11:23 |
| TemeV | I saw something like 35000% at maximum. Wasn't fast enough to screenshot that :) | 11:23 |
| reviewjolla | how's your "btrfs fi show"? | 11:23 |
| tigeli | reviewjolla: but sure.. starting clash of clans makes it bit sluggish ;) | 11:23 |
| tigeli | but it also consumes 300MB ram ;) | 11:23 |
| stephg | pesasa: do it; and move some of your files there, and do a balance, your crashes will go away ;) | 11:23 |
| reviewjolla | stephg pesasa formatted to btrsf (the SD) | 11:24 |
| reviewjolla | *btrfs | 11:24 |
| tigeli | reviewjolla: http://pastebin.com/xBnmwhW3 | 11:25 |
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| stephg | hehe it'll still be fine; I'd rather be unallocatable on the sdcard than on the rootfs :) | 11:25 |
| reviewjolla | tigeli, you have too much free space to help me here ;) Thanks a lot anyway! | 11:26 |
| tigeli | reviewjolla: yeah.. :) | 11:26 |
| pesasa | reviewjolla: How is that formatting done? Can it be done in Jolla or should I do it with my computer? | 11:26 |
| reviewjolla | With Linux, tigeli might know if Jolla can do that? | 11:27 |
| stephg | pesasa: if you're wanting to do btrfs, do it on the jolla, if it's anything else do it wherever you like | 11:28 |
| tigeli | how to format sdcard to btrfs? or what? | 11:28 |
| pesasa | Yep. | 11:28 |
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| meklu | fdisk and mkfs.btrfs :) | 11:29 |
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| pesasa | Just have to be careful to format correct device. :-) | 11:29 |
| tigeli | :) | 11:29 |
| tigeli | yeah | 11:29 |
| tigeli | reviewjolla: According to answer below, posted in November 2013, a minimum unallocated space for the btrfs filesystem should be at least 1.5 GB. | 11:30 |
| tigeli | reviewjolla: from tjc | 11:30 |
| meklu | wonder if using btrfs' lzo stuff would improve anything | 11:31 |
| reviewjolla | yep, btrfs really needs a lot of free space at the moment. I got an idea here that even +2Gb might be suggested. | 11:32 |
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| tigeli | reviewjolla: running balance from time to time should help with the issue but a real fix would be to leave at least the 1.5GB free | 11:33 |
| tigeli | reviewjolla: and this is not official jolla comment, just my own opinions :) | 11:33 |
| Nicd- | my btrfs was full when I had like 3-4 GB used :P | 11:34 |
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| reviewjolla | tigeli Not gathering info for the blog this time ;) ...comparing the results from TemeV (11,44Gb used) and pesasa (8,07 used) and trying to analyse mem handling on Jolla | 11:34 |
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| tigeli | Nicd-: btrfs fi df / or plain df? | 11:35 |
| tigeli | Nicd-: just wondering if you had snapshots taking space | 11:36 |
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| Nicd- | tigeli: the count shown in jolla settings dialog | 11:38 |
| tigeli | ah, ok | 11:38 |
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| tigeli | for me the ui shows 8/13.9 and btrfs fi df / shows 6.95G as used, and df shows 7.4GB as used :D | 11:42 |
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| stephg | right I'm off, have fun guys, catch you later | 11:43 |
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| tigeli | though of course that 6,95 does not include metadata | 11:44 |
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| pesasa | Any idea, why photos taken in portrait orientation are shown in gallery in landscape? | 11:49 |
| pesasa | Until next reboot. After reboot they are shown correctly and new photos after reboot are shown in landscape. | 11:49 |
| pesasa | Also the title/filename of these new photos are not shown in gallery until reboot. | 11:51 |
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| ahjolinna | pesasa: I don't have this problem, which sailfish version do u have? | 11:53 |
| pesasa | The new one. 1.0.8.19 | 11:53 |
| pesasa | The problem came after the upgrade. | 11:54 |
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| ahjolinna | pesasa: try to backup your device and then reset it....if I remember correctly you don't need to re-update your sailfish after resetting it | 11:59 |
| ahjolinna | ...maybe someone can correct me if i'm wrong | 11:59 |
| phaeron | wrong | 11:59 |
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| ahjolinna | phaeron: they didn't fix that? Jolla guys said that they will fix it | 12:03 |
| phaeron | not yet imlpemented | 12:04 |
| ahjolinna | it should have been in this update | 12:04 |
| phaeron | there are advanced scripts that could help though | 12:04 |
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| phaeron | ahjolinna: not in the changelog https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-July/004727.html so it probably wasn't ready | 12:06 |
| ahjolinna | phaeron: maybe the jolla guys should not make promises they can't keep -_-' | 12:06 |
| phaeron | promises are made about what, not when | 12:07 |
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| ahjolinna | point | 12:08 |
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| reviewjolla | TemeV pesasa tigeli I'm about to add this to TJC http://pastie.org/9407050 Any comments in forehand? Phone A) is TemeV's, B) is pesasa's | 12:08 |
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| ahjolinna | that reminded me where is younited :) | 12:08 |
| tigeli | reviewjolla: only that.. were the apps launched same on both? | 12:12 |
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| reviewjolla | tigeli only the first (Jolla Browser), but this shouldn't matter? | 12:13 |
| tigeli | reviewjolla: well the apps do have different kind of profiles for using ram and cpu | 12:13 |
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| reviewjolla | tigeli they do?...I was thinking all apps uses RAM until it's fully used, then SWAP | 12:15 |
| tigeli | reviewjolla: sure, but eg. calculator does not use same amount ram as camera | 12:15 |
| tigeli | camera == uses lot | 12:15 |
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| reviewjolla | well the idea was to get the RAM fully used, no matter with what apps. But does this make the info unusuful now? | 12:16 |
| reviewjolla | *unuseful | 12:16 |
| tigeli | reviewjolla: well I can't conlude that the phone a would have worse mem handling than phone b | 12:17 |
| pesasa | I had browser (12 tabs), camera, gallery, tweetian, tidings, calendar, media, store and finally Firefox. | 12:18 |
| pesasa | (phone b) | 12:18 |
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| reviewjolla | tigeli you might be right... It's not just the number of Tasks.... thanks pesasa | 12:18 |
| tigeli | reviewjolla: it would help if you would explain why do you think phone a has worse mem handling | 12:19 |
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| pesasa | Plus I got a phone call during the test. | 12:19 |
| reviewjolla | tigeli It seems to me like that already from the beginning, phone A finishing startup tasks slower (see After reboot + 10 min). Then, phone B seems to be able to keep more tasks up for much longer during the test. | 12:20 |
| tigeli | reviewjolla: ok, I'm not saying that you are not into something.. but I just can't agree with you with only that data in hands | 12:22 |
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| reviewjolla | tigeli good point, more precise info before too fast conclusions :) I'll just save the result for now then | 12:22 |
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| tigeli | reviewjolla: though I can also say that the device will get slower and slower more swap you have in use.. so 200MB vs. 100MB will make a difference | 12:24 |
| tigeli | reviewjolla: (if the all ram is in use) | 12:24 |
| reviewjolla | tigeli sure. How fast is the swap? (rw) | 12:25 |
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| tigeli | reviewjolla: it's on the same flash as the root btrfs :) | 12:35 |
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| reviewjolla | tigeli so as fast as it can then, with storage rw-speed limits. Does the swap allocate ok with close to full btrsf too? | 12:39 |
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| TemeV | Facebook instant messaging is broken on my Jolla, anyone have a tip on how to fix it? :) | 14:30 |
| TemeV | It is enabled, but I can't send or receive messages | 14:30 |
| TemeV | Contacts are shown in people app but not in messaging | 14:30 |
| TemeV | deleting and recreating account did not help | 14:30 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu 0.8.1 release in some hours. Update your translations now! | 16:43 |
| TMavica | thx | 16:44 |
| TMavica | coderus: long click in group member can show xxxx: ? (I mean inside group information), not the bubble | 16:48 |
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| coderus | TMavica: yes | 16:54 |
| coderus | just long click group member | 16:54 |
| coderus | inside group information | 16:55 |
| coderus | not the bubble | 16:55 |
| coderus | *magic* | 16:55 |
| TMavica | seem not work | 16:57 |
| TMavica | long click member inside group information, go back to Chat page | 16:58 |
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| gexc | there is no safety measure in openrepos? | 17:03 |
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| Nicd- | what kind of safety measure? | 17:03 |
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| gexc | what if someone upload an rpm excuting a 'rm -rf /usr' after installing | 17:04 |
| gexc | just like that bumblebee incident | 17:05 |
| gexc | https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee-Old-and-abbandoned/issues/123 | 17:05 |
| Azog | args the update complety broke my sms system, no old messages, and i cannot receive new ones | 17:06 |
| Nicd- | gexc: they can | 17:07 |
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| gexc | :O | 17:07 |
| gexc | maybe the rpm spec needs to be extracted and visible to users | 17:10 |
| Nicd- | but it won't help | 17:10 |
| Nicd- | that's just fake security | 17:10 |
| gexc | hmm... | 17:11 |
| Yaniel | openrepos just is not 'secure' by definition | 17:11 |
| Yaniel | or at least not 'trusted' | 17:11 |
| Azog | when i dump the commhistory.db i get /**** ERROR: (11) database disk image is malformed *****/ is that a known problem? | 17:12 |
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| special | Azog: no. | 17:13 |
| Sail0r | if you use openrepos you must trust the author of the repo | 17:13 |
| Sail0r | as you do with jolla store ;) | 17:13 |
| Sail0r | If you do not trust the author do not install things from openrepos | 17:13 |
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| gexc | some endusers may not realize how danger that would be :-P | 17:16 |
| Yaniel | of course not | 17:17 |
| gexc | LOL | 17:17 |
| Yaniel | that's why there is an eula orwhatever | 17:18 |
| gexc | is there? | 17:19 |
| Sail0r | what was the right command for building a rpm with mb2? | 17:19 |
| * gexc is expecting a 'YOU WILL BRICK YOUR PHONE' warning msg LOL | 17:20 | |
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| coderus | Sail0r: mb2 build -t SailfishOS-armv7hl rpm/projectname.spec | 17:35 |
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| Sail0r | thx coderus | 17:41 |
| coderus | Yaniel: ololol, internet is not secure and not trusted :D | 17:42 |
| coderus | never say if some site is more insecure and more unsafe than whole internet ;) | 17:43 |
| Yaniel | some end users don't realze that either | 17:43 |
| coderus | you should have one's wits about one | 17:43 |
| coderus | every time, for every thing :) | 17:44 |
| coderus | and every developer can publish malware to Harbour, don't think it's secure | 17:44 |
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| coderus | Today both Harbour and Openrepos are safe, because there are no developers around who want hurt Jollans and Sailors :) | 17:45 |
| coderus | but one day everything can change | 17:45 |
| gexc | yeah | 17:45 |
| gexc | one line would brick a phone which would have to be sent back to reflash :-( | 17:46 |
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| coderus | only FOSS built in chum or yourself is secure and you can totally trust it :) | 17:47 |
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| Morpog_PC | coderus, a notification when getting force disconnect in the 5 minute reconnect phase would be good, unless you won't notice | 17:52 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: having general notifications enabled is not enough? :) | 17:53 |
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| Morpog_PC | ? coderus I didn't get a notification when mitäkuuluu went offline | 17:58 |
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| coderus | Morpog_PC: thats another question then :) | 17:59 |
| Morpog_PC | ah, you are talking about connetion status warning setting, need to test that one | 18:00 |
| Morpog_PC | last time I used it few months ago, it was kinda annoying | 18:00 |
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| coderus | Morpog_PC: :) | 18:02 |
| coderus | i dont want to separate notifications for every case | 18:03 |
| Morpog_PC | I can understand that | 18:03 |
| coderus | if you want - do it yourself and send pull | 18:03 |
| Morpog_PC | settings page is already cluttered :) | 18:03 |
| coderus | :) | 18:04 |
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| Sail0r | is it normal when I silence sound that even vibration is not active anymore? | 18:28 |
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| coderus | Sail0r: probably if you configured your profile so :) | 18:34 |
| Sail0r | I have vibration set to always | 18:34 |
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| Morpog_PC | Sail0r, there is a bug. You need to enable haptic feedback to hget it work | 18:37 |
| Sail0r | it's also enabled | 18:37 |
| Sail0r | touch screen vibration ? | 18:38 |
| Sail0r | is enabled if you mean that | 18:38 |
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| Sail0r | is there any way to enable vibrations from console? | 18:39 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu 0.8.1 released. DL: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu LOG: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/releases/tag/0.8.1 | 18:43 |
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| entil | coderus: did anyone find bugs?-) | 18:43 |
| entil | cuz I didn't | 18:43 |
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| coderus | entil: yes, some bugs fixed. | 18:44 |
| entil | oh whoah :) | 18:45 |
| Hartzi | you didn't test enough! | 18:45 |
| coderus | since beta 1-3 | 18:45 |
| entil | well then, then I must upgrade ;) | 18:45 |
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| coderus | entil: sure you should | 18:45 |
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| entil | yay, upgraded | 18:47 |
| entil | man I wish sms had the same option, to show sent messages on the right side | 18:47 |
| entil | maybe I should take it to tjc | 18:48 |
| Nightmare__ | +1 :) | 18:48 |
| entil | maybe when I can, can't today :/ | 18:48 |
| entil | I'll try to remember tomorrow | 18:48 |
| Nightmare__ | i'm too lazy :) | 18:49 |
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| Sail0r | let me guess in csd tool vibrator the phone should vibrate? | 19:56 |
| Sail0r | because it's not vibrating anymore :( | 19:56 |
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| Sail0r | that's interesting | 20:05 |
| Sail0r | if I remove the batter | 20:05 |
| Sail0r | y | 20:05 |
| Sail0r | and start it up | 20:05 |
| Sail0r | it vibrates to confirm startup | 20:05 |
| Sail0r | but after boot vibration does not work anymore | 20:05 |
| Sail0r | even in the csd tool | 20:05 |
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| chem|st | re | 20:59 |
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