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| fennekki | it's weird to think that less than a week with normal usage used to feel like there was something wrong with the battery | 00:45 |
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| pdanek | Do you guys also have some serious 3G connectivity issues after new update? :O Or is it coincidence? | 01:02 |
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| lpotter | pdanek: issues such as? | 01:28 |
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| zhxt | hello, morninng... | 01:59 |
| zhxt | Jolla opened a shop on Taobao? http://qiantiguan.taobao.com | 02:00 |
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| gexc | probably not jolla | 02:21 |
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| gexc | sellers in taobao tends to overclaim | 02:23 |
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| covox | phlixi: check that the micro USB connector is secure | 02:38 |
| covox | I have a few crap cables which only connect if the plug is pressed a certain way | 02:40 |
| zhxt__ | gexc: they say they've got official franchise. I'm not sure whether it is true. | 02:57 |
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| covox | I was almost convinced until I saw http://gd3.alicdn.com/imgextra/i3/58396602/TB2iWQhXVXXXXXnXpXXXXXXXXXX_!!58396602.jpg | 03:02 |
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| TMavica | why china have Jolla on sale? not Hong Kong | 05:58 |
| TMavica | http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.22.39ryx1&id=39867115496&ns=1#detail | 05:58 |
| TMavica | theres a certificate...fake or ? | 05:59 |
| Bysmyyr | that is not official | 05:59 |
| TMavica | they say the product com from HK | 05:59 |
| TMavica | chinese menu | 05:59 |
| Bysmyyr | https://www.facebook.com/groups/jollapioneer/permalink/669965573092910/ | 06:00 |
| Bysmyyr | there is some discuss about that | 06:00 |
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| ruskie | http://motherboard.vice.com/read/you-can-now-send-messages-even-when-you-dont-have-cell-service <-- hmmm having something like that on a TOH? | 06:25 |
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| DeeGee | What could cause a 3g data connection to ping properly, but not transmit data? On Saunalahti 3G if you switch the APN to internet4 you can get public ip that isn't NATed, but the data connection bugs out like that. | 06:30 |
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| Nicd- | jolla is going to start selling in india, according to finnish news | 06:36 |
| Nicd- | translated: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iltasanomat.fi%2Fdigi%2Fart-1288715719049.html&edit-text=&act=url | 06:37 |
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| gexc | hmm... has the january batch sold out yet? | 06:40 |
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| gexc | it seems recent units emerged in china are jan ones | 06:42 |
| entil | Dinghy founders of the Small Hill :D | 06:42 |
| gexc | those claimed to be for HK | 06:46 |
| gexc | with serial #21xxx | 06:46 |
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| gexc | appearly they have been in warehouses for quite a while :-/ | 06:47 |
| pp_ | wrong channel, anyway, 25k+ android support downloads are a good indicator of sales :-) | 06:49 |
| Nicd- | https://plus.google.com/u/1/+jolla/posts/h4imuKg2zyU -- official source about india | 06:50 |
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| Nicd- | and now on http://jolla.com/ too | 06:51 |
| entil | fingers tightly crossed that they'll sell like wildfire in .in | 06:51 |
| Nicd- | press release: http://jolla.com/media/documents/Jolla_Snapdeal_press_release_July18_2014_FINAL.PDF | 06:51 |
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| gexc | hope HK would be next officially | 06:53 |
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| gexc | speaking about sales number, Xiaomi often claims they have sold 100k units within several units LOL | 06:57 |
| gexc | ^minutes | 06:58 |
| entil | seems legit | 06:58 |
| ruskie | http://www.gizmag.com/inkcase-plus-e-ink-smartphone-case/32996/ | 06:58 |
| * gexc finds it amusing | 06:58 | |
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| juiceme | allright, answeing to myself :) | 07:25 |
| juiceme | s/answeing/answering/ | 07:26 |
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| juiceme | so foor some reason the name of the profile in Buteo had changed, and for that reason I could not initiate the sync with com.meego.msyncd.startSync string:'syncemail' | 07:26 |
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| juiceme | it works just fine when I do: com.meego.msyncd.startSync string:'syncemail-2' | 07:27 |
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| juiceme | I do not know if this is due to the change to 1.0.8.19 or was it because of something I did myself.... | 07:28 |
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| VDVsx | juiceme, sync is now per account, so profiles have account number after the name | 07:56 |
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| juiceme | VDVsx, I guessed so much | 08:11 |
| juiceme | so this is related to the fact that there are possibility to have multiple profiles with one account? | 08:12 |
| VDVsx | juiceme, why you need to call that manually anyway ? | 08:12 |
| juiceme | I have a bit more complicated requirements for my mail syncing, hence I do that from crontab :) | 08:13 |
| VDVsx | not only, same plugin can handle multiple account with different settings, so separated configuration files | 08:13 |
| juiceme | okay. not really needed by me, I only have one account / one profile in my email | 08:14 |
| VDVsx | ok, you can check the xmls under .cache/msyncd/sync/, if you have more than one account | 08:14 |
| VDVsx | so just change the profile name in your cron job, it won't change unless account is re-created | 08:15 |
| juiceme | why I did that syncscript-from-cron-thingy in the first place, it used to be before 1.0.8.19 that there was no control at all for IMAP type account syncincg. | 08:15 |
| VDVsx | yup, all accounts were syncing at same time | 08:16 |
| juiceme | now, there is better control but it still has limitations :) | 08:16 |
| juiceme | but I am happy with my sycscript now. I assume there's not that much difference regarding battery usage etc. since cron sleeps most of its lifecycle anyway | 08:17 |
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| juiceme | at least I have been unable to measure any degadion of usable batterytime | 08:17 |
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| sledges | 12:07 < lbt> So there's a fishy odour in the air... | 09:08 |
| sledges | 12:07 < lbt> smells like haddock | 09:08 |
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| sledges | 12:07 < lbt> yes ... the Hardware Adaptation Dev Kit 1.0 - http://releases.sailfishos.org/sfa-ea/2014-07-18_SailfishOSHardwareAdaptationDevelopmentKit.pdf | 09:08 |
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| juiceme | sledges, \o/ | 09:09 |
| SK_work | sledges: | 09:09 |
| SK_work | wait what ? | 09:09 |
| SK_work | HADK out ? | 09:09 |
| SK_work | <3 | 09:09 |
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| lbt | we'll take HADK detailed technical stuff into #sailfishos-porters too btw | 09:14 |
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| TemeV | So this meand I can expect to have sailfish for my nexus5 soon? :) | 09:31 |
| chem|st | juiceme: pong | 09:31 |
| chem|st | juiceme: I am back home on sunday evening if you want to catch me | 09:32 |
| Nicd- | TemeV: it means you can port sailfish for the nexus 5! :) | 09:33 |
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| TemeV | Nicd-: I was hoping for someone else to do it... :) | 09:39 |
| TemeV | Nexus 5 is so beutiful piece of hardware, so it earns a better os :) | 09:40 |
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| stephg | oooh | 09:47 |
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| TMavica_Jolla | Jolla 100% sale in Hong Kong in 6/8 | 09:54 |
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| Nicd- | 100% sale? so for free? :P | 09:55 |
| TMavica_Jolla | sell | 09:55 |
| TMavica_Jolla | lol | 09:55 |
| Nicd- | so you mean jolla is going to start selling in hong kong on the 6th of august? | 09:56 |
| TMavica_Jolla | yes | 09:56 |
| Nicd- | what's your source? | 09:56 |
| TMavica_Jolla | Francis | 09:56 |
| Nicd- | francis? | 09:57 |
| TMavica_Jolla | china jolla ceo | 09:57 |
| TMavica_Jolla | i heard from amanda lam | 09:57 |
| TMavica_Jolla | all Jolla phone in warehouse in Hk, not allow to sell yet. dont know why leaked to China | 09:58 |
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| Nicd- | so your source is not Francis, it's Amanda Lam | 10:00 |
| TMavica_Jolla | francis , he told to her and told mr | 10:01 |
| TMavica_Jolla | me | 10:01 |
| TMavica_Jolla | it is ridiculous leak to china | 10:01 |
| juiceme | chem|st, no problem, I already found the solution. the DBUS message to sync email had changed. | 10:02 |
| TMavica_Jolla | hi juiceme | 10:03 |
| juiceme | TMavica_Jolla, hiya | 10:03 |
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| covox | sledges: niiiice | 10:07 |
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| AJAX555 | did jolla have 4g support already? | 10:39 |
| ighea_ | yup, LTE | 10:40 |
| AJAX555 | ok | 10:41 |
| AJAX555 | was it since june? | 10:41 |
| mdxth | since june update | 10:42 |
| AJAX555 | ok | 10:42 |
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| messerting | I am trying to be able to read a DVD on a vnc connection to my F20 box without having to enter the root password. How do I do that? | 10:55 |
| messerting | sorry, wrong channel | 10:55 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | android support shows +25 000 downloads | 10:57 |
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| covox | heh | 11:46 |
| covox | that MerSDK VM turned out to be remarkably easy to trash :) | 11:46 |
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| covox | update enough packages inside sb2 and eventually you'll hit coreutils or something that breaks the binfmt associations outside of the container | 11:51 |
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| special | covox: hm, strange | 12:05 |
| special | covox: I've been using the same one for almost two years | 12:05 |
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| Nicd- | so microsoft is killing asha too | 12:07 |
| ruskie | time for jolla to get some more interesting devices out there | 12:08 |
| Nicd- | just last summer I was in a devaamo event where some guy was presenting asha and was really enthusiastic about it, saying it had a bright future | 12:08 |
| Nicd- | crazy how fast things happen | 12:08 |
| ighea_ | too much variation in a one single company | 12:09 |
| ighea_ | otherwise the asha devices were quite nice pieces of hardware and software | 12:09 |
| pdanek1 | http://rimblogs.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/blackberry-passport-assistant_blackphone.png | 12:10 |
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| covox | special: probably just my blundering, beforehand I think I might have ruined the package index with ssu | 12:12 |
| pdanek1 | ighea_: is Asha nice HW-wise? | 12:13 |
| covox | this is why it pays to write your build steps down :) | 12:13 |
| gexc | asha's are more drop-proof ;-) | 12:14 |
| ighea_ | pdanek1: depends on what you expect from such device. if it is extended battery life with some modern features with sain price nice could be the word one might use. | 12:14 |
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| pdanek1 | nice | 12:21 |
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| ighea_ | ashas are budget phones by design but that does not make them complete waste of time and money | 12:22 |
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| ighea_ | would be actually a good idea to buy one to use as a backup phone. | 12:23 |
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| gexc | maybe several years later there wouldn't be spare batteries available? | 12:25 |
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| covox | ahhhh it wasn't binfmt, I just... somehow wiped /bin with armv7hl stuff | 12:39 |
| AL13N_work | eee | 12:42 |
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| kimmoli_sailing | heh, LaTeX fail... omfg wut Nitpick | 12:52 |
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| kimmoli_sailing | but maybe i have problems in my life | 12:53 |
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| AL13N_work | you're not the only one | 12:57 |
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| eyea_UK_ | Jolla )0!1@ joy | 13:05 |
| eyea_UK_ | how is everyone | 13:05 |
| eyea_UK_ | ? | 13:05 |
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| ighea_ | fine, thank you | 13:06 |
| ighea_ | happily enjoying my wireless charging capable piece of phonelike hardware which is still a real computer in disguise making wonders | 13:07 |
| eyea_UK_ | Jolla joy | 13:07 |
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| eyea_UK_ | do you think jolla is alot like a computer | 13:08 |
| eyea_UK_ | PC | 13:08 |
| eyea_UK_ | ? | 13:08 |
| Nicd- | it is a computer | 13:08 |
| eyea_UK_ | nice I miss my N900 | 13:09 |
| ighea_ | pluck mouse and keyboard and start typing | 13:09 |
| suosaaski | all of the phones currently are "computers" | 13:09 |
| gexc | no mouse yet | 13:09 |
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| Nicd- | suosaaski: not just "computers", they are computers | 13:09 |
| Nicd- | not PCs though | 13:09 |
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| suosaaski | although, they are personal. And computers. :) | 13:10 |
| eyea_UK_ | though jolla is my current lovr | 13:10 |
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| eyea_UK_ | long live Jolla | 13:10 |
| gexc | is it possible to compile the newly released xorg and get xwayland on jolla? | 13:10 |
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| eyea_UK_ | long live Sailfish | 13:11 |
| suosaaski | if only jolla had modern hardware it would be a far more interesting choice. | 13:11 |
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| gexc | esp. more ram LOL | 13:12 |
| Sail0r | is it possible to listen for twitter messages on dbus? | 13:12 |
| suosaaski | more ram, horsepower and especially a nicer display would be... nice. | 13:12 |
| eyea_UK_ | this is just the start | 13:12 |
| suosaaski | yup | 13:12 |
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| suosaaski | but still, for the price of jolla, you just get soooo much higher specs, hardware wise, from an android device. | 13:13 |
| gexc | would the spec be different if STE was still able to provide the soc? | 13:13 |
| Bawal | too bad the android still doesn't run smoothly on those specs... | 13:13 |
| eyea_UK_ | I am an x Nokia Maemo meego user | 13:13 |
| eyea_UK_ | though love jolla | 13:13 |
| eyea_UK_ | noe | 13:13 |
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| eyea_UK_ | now | 13:14 |
| suosaaski | Bawal: well, it is starting to. Finally. With kitkat and all those specs. But as I said, hardware wise. | 13:14 |
| suosaaski | For example LG G2 and Nexus 5 both offer quite a bit of punch for the same price. | 13:14 |
| gexc | maybe there was many compromises for a sudden change of soc last year | 13:15 |
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| suosaaski | maybe yes. But the screen/display is by far my main complaint. Performance of the device is "ok". | 13:15 |
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| eyea_UK_ | true | 13:16 |
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| eyea_UK_ | well said | 13:16 |
| suosaaski | 245ppi and nothing special quality wise is a bit of a turn off after being used to higher quality displays. | 13:16 |
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| gexc | the green is nice though... | 13:17 |
| suosaaski | the green? :) | 13:18 |
| gexc | outdoor performance is :-/ | 13:18 |
| gexc | green color looks nice on the screen | 13:18 |
| gexc | maybe just a trick to the eyes | 13:18 |
| eyea_UK_ | how many agree that Sailfish is an nicer mobile Linux option compared to droid | 13:18 |
| Nicd- | everyone | 13:19 |
| roboro | indeed :D | 13:19 |
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| eyea_UK_ | I have loved mobile Linux since Maemo | 13:21 |
| suosaaski | I would not draw any conclusions as it is very new. There has been so many features missing and bugs that if one would do a direct comparison, it would not be a better OS. Not even close. But it is getting better all the time (although after every update there seems to be complaint about some bugs), that one needs to ask that question again in a year or so. Things might look a lot different. :) | 13:21 |
| eyea_UK_ | anyone els | 13:22 |
| suosaaski | I might say that Sailfish is the most interesting OS, but also the most incomplete. For now. | 13:23 |
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| sjtoik | i haven't read the topics in a while, so have you seen anything about phone behaving oddly after battery drops below 70% ? | 13:24 |
| * gexc finds to battery level to be 69% | 13:24 | |
| Bawal | yes, but even so, after i've gotten used to sailfish i find every other mobile os very clumsy to use | 13:24 |
| roboro | it has its limitations... but I prefer it to android just on the grounds that it is closer to a full blown linux distribution... you can ssh into it, get root, run whatever you want in shell, compile and port linux applications... that rocks | 13:24 |
| gexc | nothing odd for now | 13:24 |
| suosaaski | But anyway, hardware wise, it would be nice to see what sailfish looks and performs like on decent hardware. Like the LG G3... :) | 13:25 |
| sjtoik | gexc: mine restarted suddenly, when i tried to open app store | 13:25 |
| gexc | not happening here | 13:26 |
| roboro | Bawal: agreed... I think the UI is much sweeter than android... there are some annoyances, but overall there is better integration, gestures are good and full blown multitasking... all are definite plusses in my book | 13:26 |
| gexc | that impedance problem again? | 13:26 |
| sjtoik | plugging the power adapter cleared the issue and i was able to update the phone | 13:26 |
| suosaaski | Or, oneplus one | 13:26 |
| sjtoik | gexc: what again? | 13:27 |
| suosaaski | although the oneplus one apparently has a mediocre screen. But for the price... the specs are nice | 13:27 |
| ighea_ | Yes, I wan't my next Jolla to have x86 hardware running at least intel core i5 with 8GB of ram. Like the ubuntu edge, or whatever it was, was supposed to be. | 13:27 |
| roboro | personally, I don't have any gripes about the hardware for Jolla... a few missing features perhaps, but I like the performance I get and battery life outlasts anything else I have ever owned | 13:28 |
| gexc | loose battery, but it should be solved in recent releases | 13:28 |
| suosaaski | ubuntu was supposed to have the fastest quadcore mobile chip available, 4GB of RAM and 128GB storage. | 13:28 |
| gexc | at least software-wise | 13:28 |
| suosaaski | to be honest, the current android phones are not that far from the ubuntu specs anymore... | 13:28 |
| ighea_ | plus 12 hours of operational time while playing games and all that fit into the current form factor of the iPhone5s, but slimmer | 13:28 |
| AL13N_work | suosaaski: how are you gonna get 4GB ram, if you have a 32bit os??? | 13:28 |
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| ighea_ | aaaand a nice dock to pluch the thing into | 13:28 |
| suosaaski | AL13N_work: of course it would not have been 32-bit. | 13:29 |
| gexc | would sailfish run literally cooler on a high spec phone than android? | 13:29 |
| AL13N_work | "would have been" | 13:29 |
| suosaaski | AL13N_work: the specs they said it would have. | 13:29 |
| * gexc tried sony z1, which is hot | 13:30 | |
| AL13N_work | it's not good when phones run too hot | 13:30 |
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| roboro | especially if you keep your phone in your pocket... next to your vitals | 13:31 |
| AL13N_work | gexc: due to a lot of native programs, chances are high it might be cooler | 13:31 |
| roboro | unless you live in a very cold climate | 13:31 |
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| gexc | at least android apps runs hot on jolla | 13:31 |
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| AL13N_work | roboro: like, south pole | 13:32 |
| AL13N_work | where you can freeze your nuts off if you pee outside at night | 13:32 |
| roboro | heh... I thought you were referring to what lives next to my pocket... not the place :D | 13:33 |
| roboro | oooer... | 13:33 |
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| suosaaski | AL13N_work: and, by the way, you can get 4GB of RAM with a 32bit OS... | 13:41 |
| suosaaski | but it is not that ideal. | 13:41 |
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| ighea_ | time to upgrade to 64bit then | 13:41 |
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| suosaaski | it is getting there. iOS already did. | 13:42 |
| ighea_ | or take it all the way to the next step with 128bit system! | 13:42 |
| ighea_ | or how about 1024bit system? that would be quite some bits to last for a longer period | 13:42 |
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| ighea_ | and don't start mumbling about some pointless things like... overhead! pfft | 13:43 |
| ighea_ | nonsense. we have the power! more clockspeed, bigger batteries and less worries | 13:43 |
| gexc | nuclear batteries? | 13:43 |
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| suosaaski | http://oneplus.net that would be nice to test with sailfish | 13:46 |
| ighea_ | yeah, why not? life is sort anyway so why waste it by waiting for batteries to charge | 13:46 |
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| gexc | any possibility getting sailfish on x86 win8 tablets? | 13:51 |
| Nicd- | there's at least 3 major obstacles: 1) unlocking win tables, 2) getting drivers for it and 3) modifying sfos to work as a tablet os | 13:53 |
| ninnnu | I suppose none. And even if you did get it to run, there wouldn't be any apps because everything in the store is compiled for arm | 13:53 |
| AL13N_work | but, if you could unlock it you could put ubuntu on it :-) | 13:53 |
| AL13N_work | hahaha | 13:53 |
| Nicd- | ninnnu: #jollasuomi | 13:53 |
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| ninnnu | Nicd-: "damn, did I get the language wrong?" | 13:54 |
| gexc | so those tablets are not 'pc's? | 13:54 |
| ninnnu | gexc: Sailfish isn't PC OS | 13:54 |
| gexc | hmm... | 13:54 |
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| AL13N_work | maybe you could install vbox on it and get the sdk on it | 13:54 |
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| gexc | lol | 13:55 |
| suosaaski | not that much unlocking for those x86 win tablets to do. Just disable secure boot from bios? | 13:55 |
| ninnnu | suosaaski: Yeah, I suppose only ARM-Win8s (WinRT, that is) are fully locked. | 13:56 |
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| AL13N_work | ... for now... | 13:56 |
| gexc | well locks are sick | 13:56 |
| ninnnu | Yeah, might be different with Win9 :/ | 13:56 |
| ninnnu | Or at least when the Secure Boot was introduced, the speculation was that Win9 would require the lock. | 13:57 |
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| fennekki | Win 8-approved x86 devices *must* allow you to disable secure boot, IIRC, whereas ARM devices must *not*. | 14:15 |
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| King_DuckZ | hello, what do I have to install to have xmpp chat? | 15:24 |
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| grzywacz | King_DuckZ, nothing, just configure an XMPP account in Settings and use the messages app | 15:34 |
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| King_DuckZ | grzywacz: ok found it, thanks :) | 15:37 |
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| King_DuckZ | I also have a problem sending files to my jolla phone through bluetooth, I can send .mp3, .jpg and .gif fine, but I can't send anything else, I tried pdf, ogg, flac, txt... nor I can sync my contacts from my nokia n8 | 15:39 |
| King_DuckZ | I have this same behaviour from both my linux pc and symbian n8 | 15:39 |
| King_DuckZ | but it works the other way round | 15:39 |
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| King_DuckZ | well actually I didn't try | 15:40 |
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| King_DuckZ | how can I fix that? | 15:47 |
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| Londonn | hello | 16:43 |
| Londonn | tell me please, how long Jolla corp. will be supported and updates every his device? | 16:43 |
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| Yaniel | hard to tell in advance | 16:45 |
| SK_work | IMO, there will always be bugs, so they will keep with this pace for quite some time | 16:45 |
| Yaniel | but so far there have been more or less monthly updates since sales launch | 16:46 |
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| Londonn | For example: I'll buy the first device, it receives updates. Jolla releases second device. How long after this point will be the first device to receive updates? ) | 16:54 |
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| Yaniel | they have not said anything about that | 16:57 |
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| FireFly | That's a pretty good question though | 17:00 |
| FireFly | Perhaps something to ask on tjc | 17:00 |
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| coderus | depends on how much different new device will be released | 17:00 |
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| FireFly | https://together.jolla.com/question/44929/support-time/ apparently there's a (rather poor) question on tjc already | 17:03 |
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| Londonn | 16 - 18 month is very small. as android devises. will be nice us ios or more long us ios | 17:10 |
| Londonn | ops as | 17:10 |
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| FireFly | I downvoted the answer since it presented rumours as facts.. (AFAICT) | 17:15 |
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| Yaniel | I don't expect jolla to drop support for a good while | 17:16 |
| Yaniel | they can't afford that | 17:16 |
| FireFly | I agree | 17:17 |
| Londonn | maybe-maybe | 17:18 |
| Yaniel | no really, they can't | 17:18 |
| Yaniel | they are too small and have too few devices on the market for that | 17:19 |
| Londonn | will look | 17:19 |
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| Londonn | And where you can find beautifu ambiences for jolla? | 17:25 |
| Yaniel | wherever you find beautiful pictures | 17:26 |
| Londonn | may be deviantart? | 17:27 |
| Yaniel | I haven't found much quality stuff there tbh | 17:28 |
| Londonn | i see jollawalls.com - dislike | 17:29 |
| Yaniel | butninterfacelift ispretty good | 17:29 |
| Yaniel | interfacelift even | 17:29 |
| Yaniel | and wherever you usually get your pictures from | 17:29 |
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| Yaniel | just crop something that looks nice | 17:29 |
| Yaniel | (or cross your fingers and don't) | 17:30 |
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| dunp | Here Is Jolla :D wold be nice if "nokia" make it :D | 18:56 |
| Nicd- | no, keep nokia out of this | 18:56 |
| dunp | but if it start to make here phones.. :D | 18:57 |
| Nicd- | nokia's not going to be making phones for a while | 18:57 |
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| tango_ | meh, the jolla browser has the same svg rendering issues as chrome and firefox, plus more 8-P | 19:00 |
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| tango_ | also, I can't seem to find a way to save-to-disk once I open an svg | 19:01 |
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| prometoys | hi, does anybody use successful an android app, which needs google maps? I couldn't find any hints in the web or on together | 23:42 |
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| prometoys | I installed google play store and maps, but car2go crashes | 23:43 |
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