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| narchie | any idea why my calendar has tons of black events? | 06:40 |
| narchie | with no info | 06:40 |
| narchie | just a time | 06:40 |
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| Bysmyyr | narchie: you are not the only one, there is some talk in tjc, wait I find it to you | 06:51 |
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| Bysmyyr | https://together.jolla.com/question/47151/bug-calendar-has-events-associated-to-no-calendar/#comment-47341 | 06:53 |
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| narchie | Bysmyyr: ok thanks | 07:07 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu 0.8.1 Beta2 build: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1433029#post1433029 | 10:38 |
| Nicd- | oh yes <3 | 10:38 |
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| Nicd- | testing new mitakuuluu now | 10:49 |
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| ighea_ | btw, does anyone know if there is already a QR code reader for Jolla? Can't find any fom the official store at least yet. | 11:07 |
| SK_Sailfish | ighea_: check openrepos | 11:08 |
| SK_Sailfish | iirc there is one | 11:08 |
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| ln- | i was wondering about the same the other day ... is there something fundamentally harbour-incompatible with reading QR codes? | 11:10 |
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| SK_Sailfish | ln-: wondering | 11:10 |
| ottulonen | ighea_: QRScany in OpenRepos | 11:11 |
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| lrtz | no changelog for sailfish maps 1.0.12 -> 13? | 12:02 |
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| gexc | sailfish-maps still unusable in mainland China :-/ | 12:19 |
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| Nicd- | microsoft axing 18000 jobs, including 12500 former nokians | 12:22 |
| tbr | o.O | 12:22 |
| Jope | seems it's official | 12:22 |
| Jope | http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/17/5911785/microsoft-job-cuts-2014 | 12:22 |
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| gexc | :O | 12:22 |
| Nicd- | and they will apparently kill the Nokia X product line as well | 12:23 |
| Jope | yeps | 12:23 |
| Nicd- | "In addition, we plan to shift select Nokia X product designs to become Lumia products running Windows." | 12:23 |
| Nicd- | love that the phones aren't even out yet and they've already been pretty much killed | 12:24 |
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| Nicd- | this happened once before, I seem to remember | 12:24 |
| leinir | Hmm, i can't quite put my finger on it, yeah, but it does sound familiar ;) | 12:24 |
| gexc | hmm... former nokia with the size 100X of jolla gets axed? | 12:26 |
| Nicd- | jolla: prepare for incoming resumes | 12:27 |
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| gexc | so no more burning platforms | 12:37 |
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| suosaaski | speaking of nokia, has anyone tried nokias z-launcher for android? | 12:40 |
| ggabriel | gexc: burning window | 12:41 |
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| inte | werent there the meltemi platform witch was abadoned just when it was actually ready | 12:50 |
| inte | the whole Nokia story stinks | 12:50 |
| inte | but it was Nokias fault as well IMHO | 12:50 |
| inte | they should have released a N1000 right after the N900 was out with just a bigger screen | 12:51 |
| inte | but obviously it was not only pressure by microsoft, but also some internal fighting which was going on | 12:52 |
| suosaaski | they should have released n950, and "lankku" | 12:52 |
| inte | i only wonder if nokia will ever build their own phones again | 12:52 |
| inte | yes | 12:52 |
| inte | i would have loved to get a n950 | 12:52 |
| inte | and they should have sold the n9 worldwide | 12:53 |
| suosaaski | at the time yes, even though it was outdated already back then, hardware wise | 12:53 |
| inte | but they obviously didnt want to sell it | 12:53 |
| phdeswer | inte: well they did not want the n9 to outsell the new lumia... | 12:53 |
| inte | i only wonder why they sold the n9 at all then | 12:53 |
| suosaaski | phdeswer: for a few months, the n9 outsold all the wp7 lumias combined | 12:54 |
| phdeswer | existing stocks afaik and some contractual obligations | 12:54 |
| inte | phdeswer: and from what several sources say the n9 DID sell out the Lumia 800 despite of the small markets where it was eventually available Ö) | 12:54 |
| phdeswer | suosaaski: it even got a design award ahead of Apple. The thing Nokia (and many other phone manufacturers where after for years) | 12:54 |
| inte | :) | 12:54 |
| ggabriel | nokia: the bigger they are... | 12:55 |
| phdeswer | Incompentent management (or management aiming for selling Nokia cheap to Microsoft) | 12:55 |
| ggabriel | i should have written "the harder they fall..." :P | 12:55 |
| inte | phdeswer: thats also what i suspect | 12:56 |
| inte | to many stocks where in us-possesions | 12:56 |
| inte | and i guess its pretty hard for americans to imaging that anyone else could make good software outside of the usa | 12:57 |
| phdeswer | I think the shareholders that pushed it also got a bad surprise when MS bought it waaaay under the price they expected. | 12:57 |
| inte | the shareholders believed that microsoft does good software | 12:57 |
| suosaaski | aaanyway. I bought two N9s. I later swapped those both to iphone 5, and the iphone was simply a far better phone. Performance wise, bugwise etc. But the N9 could have been great if they had developed it... | 12:57 |
| inte | or, better software than Nokia | 12:57 |
| inte | it must be hard to accept that anyone could do good software except for americans | 12:58 |
| inte | plus, maybe some software companies where panicing | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | suosaaski: comparison of 2 phones 2-3 years apart intended? :) | 12:58 |
| inte | if the n9 had become a success and the platform evolved to tablets and netbooks | 12:59 |
| suosaaski | ggabriel: 2-3 years apart? | 12:59 |
| inte | you could, apart from nokia software from the appstores, run any ordinary linux programs, such as open office e.g. | 12:59 |
| inte | on the other hand, MeeGo might have attracted compandies to release commercial software for MeeGo | 13:00 |
| ggabriel | suosaaski: the iphone 5 is far newer than the n9, top of my head, 2-3 years newer | 13:00 |
| inte | e.g. Adobe | 13:00 |
| suosaaski | 1 year. iPhone 4S is the same age and the 4S is also far superior to the N9. Just because N9 just never got ready. | 13:00 |
| inte | which in turn would have ment that this software would run on any linux | 13:00 |
| ggabriel | suosaaski: if i remember correctly n9 ~= iphone 4 time wise | 13:00 |
| inte | like SuSE or Fedora | 13:01 |
| inte | which would have been a thread to the Microsoft desktop | 13:01 |
| suosaaski | n9 was released 2011. 4S is 2011 and 5 is 2012. | 13:01 |
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| ggabriel | i think the n9 was ~6 months older than the 4s | 13:01 |
| ggabriel | and just about same age as 4 | 13:01 |
| ggabriel | maybe a few months newer | 13:01 |
| ggabriel | i'll give you 1.5-2 years apart then | 13:02 |
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| ggabriel | still | 13:02 |
| suosaaski | well, n9 was "released" in june, but in reality it was available in like october. Which is about exactly the same time as 4S was. | 13:02 |
| ggabriel | suosaaski: well, the fact that you couldn't get doesn't mean that somebody got it | 13:03 |
| suosaaski | iPhone 5, as usual, was available in september (2012) | 13:03 |
| suosaaski | ggabriel: nobody got it in the summer. It was nokias curse, they always released phones and then it took months for anyone to get them. | 13:04 |
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| inte | nokia had a strong partnership with Intel | 13:04 |
| inte | it could have become a success if they pushed it | 13:04 |
| suosaaski | "strong" might not be the word to use, given they never got a phone out. | 13:05 |
| inte | not to mention the support from the EU they had | 13:05 |
| inte | to somehow gain a bit more independence | 13:06 |
| suosaaski | quick googling tells me n9 hit stores 12th of october | 13:06 |
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| inte | i only wonder | 13:06 |
| inte | since Nokia is still developing their Linux/Qt based interface for automotive | 13:06 |
| ggabriel | suosaaski: relative, you could buy it online way before that, also google is a bit, erm, unrealiable | 13:07 |
| inte | will they ever use it for phones as well? | 13:07 |
| inte | what do you think? | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | suosaaski: anyway, my point still stands :) | 13:07 |
| suosaaski | ggabriel: really? way before that? and you actually got it way before that? | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | inte: i think it's pretty much dead tbh | 13:07 |
| inte | ggabriel: automotive? | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | suosaaski: iirc, i got it in august from amazon, but you could get it before that, for a price... | 13:07 |
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| ggabriel | inte: i'm being pessimistic :) | 13:07 |
| suosaaski | really? | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | suosaaski: i'd been following it, yeah | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | i bought one when the price was "acceptable" | 13:08 |
| inte | ggabriel: regarding automotive, or phones? | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | inte: both? | 13:08 |
| inte | ah :) | 13:08 |
| inte | or | 13:08 |
| inte | :( | 13:08 |
| suosaaski | ggabriel: umm... really? what do you mean by acceptable? | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | suosaaski: <600 GBP | 13:09 |
| ggabriel | inte: yeah, best to lower one's expectations | 13:09 |
| ggabriel | nokia's story is sad | 13:09 |
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| inte | ggabriel: thats true | 13:09 |
| inte | both | 13:09 |
| inte | on the other hand, I once in a while thought Jolla could be some kind of outsourcing | 13:09 |
| inte | to keep the phone business and development up | 13:10 |
| suosaaski | kinda weird, I have no memory of anyone getting it before october | 13:10 |
| ggabriel | in fairness, any good idea within nokia is better executable by a spin off | 13:10 |
| inte | and they might unite later again | 13:10 |
| ggabriel | suosaaski: regardless of the exact date, the phone was released in june/11 | 13:10 |
| suosaaski | I bought mine in december, when the price became acceptable (400 eur) | 13:10 |
| suosaaski | yes, just like the lumia 930 was "released" in april :) | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | suosaaski: yes, i sholud have waited, but my 5800 was almost dead :) | 13:11 |
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| ggabriel | having said that, i'm still impressed with how long the n9 has lasted | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | not a single scratch etc | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | i don't think i'll ever get rid of that phone | 13:11 |
| suosaaski | the software just never got done. | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | suosaaski: i still miss things from harmattan | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | that no other phone has | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | but anyway | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | i'm giving jolla a chance ;) | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | and so far, it's very good | 13:12 |
| thargor | I got mine n9 in october | 13:12 |
| suosaaski | well, it got far better than what it was when released. But it still had annoying bugs. Like issues when using wlan and 3G, usually after leaving wlan, nothing on 3G would work before opening up the browser and loading a web page in 3G network. After that, mails started syncing again, events feed working and so on. | 13:14 |
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| suosaaski | Really annoying, and made me not use WLAN ever. | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | it was ok for me | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | in fairness, ios's mail client annoyed me infinitely more | 13:15 |
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| ggabriel | even though it had copy paste and all that | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | the grip of death was too much for me too | 13:15 |
| suosaaski | But hey, there is still 2 years (or so) left of meego and symbian support from nokia, right? maybe they will release a fix for it... :) | 13:15 |
| lainwir3d | N9 mail client was horrible for me | 13:16 |
| lainwir3d | after a time it never worked again for me | 13:16 |
| lainwir3d | sync was taking FOREVER | 13:16 |
| thargor | I loved the N9 client | 13:16 |
| lainwir3d | (ok, maybe something was wrong) | 13:16 |
| thargor | *calendar | 13:16 |
| lainwir3d | well I loved it until it couldn't sync anymore | 13:17 |
| suosaaski | Anyway, not having my iphone 5, anymore, either (the wife still has hers, until iphone 6 is released I think :)) | 13:17 |
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| ggabriel | suosaaski: fwiw, i'm going back to ios when my work android is finished | 13:19 |
| ggabriel | android is too, erm, google | 13:19 |
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| pp_ | suosaaski: nope, they promised until 2014 for meego (and probably symbian too) | 13:21 |
| pp_ | some spanish company updated the twitter client to a new api in 2013ish, and that was the last update ever (well, haven't booted mine up since I got my jolla :-) ) | 13:21 |
| ggabriel | i saw a guy at work with an n9 and i got emotional | 13:21 |
| ggabriel | i should bring mine and play angry birds with him | 13:21 |
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| ahjolinna | I got Sony SBH52 (stereo bluetooth headset) from my Uncle and it works on Jolla/SailfishOS 100% :P | 13:26 |
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| lainwir3d | Parrot Zik works fine too | 13:36 |
| thargor | another question. Is anybody able to test the change of an exchange password? with the latest update? | 13:37 |
| thargor | I commented on the following question: https://together.jolla.com/question/10908/bug-e-mail-account-password-update/ | 13:38 |
| thargor | But I'm interested if its a problem in front of the display or behind the display | 13:38 |
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| eyea_UK_ | Jolla )0!1@ yoh | 15:56 |
| eyea_UK_ | how is everyone? | 15:57 |
| Yaniel | tired | 15:57 |
| eyea_UK_ | lovely new update | 15:57 |
| eyea_UK_ | Jolla going from strength to strength | 15:58 |
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| Yaniel | yep | 15:59 |
| Yaniel | the lpm is cool | 15:59 |
| eyea_UK_ | )01!@ | 16:00 |
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| lainwir3d | lpm ? where ? | 16:08 |
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| Yaniel | enabled via terminal and mcetools | 16:13 |
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| Yaniel | use at your own risk, kittens may die | 16:16 |
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| * pahartik would like to know how to get past "ssu update" "Device is not registered, can't update credentials" | 17:24 | |
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| special | pahartik: that's only relevant for people using internal, jolla-employee-only repositories | 17:25 |
| special | pahartik: if you're seeing it when trying to update, do: https://together.jolla.com/question/3944/fatal-error-authentication-failed-is-ssu-set-up-correctly/#post-id-3968 | 17:26 |
| pahartik | special: I see | 17:26 |
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| pahartik | special: It seems to have worked, but still no update offered for "Sailfish Linux 1.0.5.19" | 17:43 |
| special | pahartik: as in, you're using 1.0.5.19 now? | 17:43 |
| pahartik | special: Yes, it is running fine | 17:43 |
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| kimmoli | xfade_: ok | 18:35 |
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| pdanek | Good day! | 19:37 |
| pdanek | 1) Is charging my battery every single night, whole night, lowering the capacity over time? | 19:37 |
| pdanek | 2) Is getting battery to 0% too often lowering the capacity over time? | 19:37 |
| pdanek | 3) Vice-versa, is charging battery when it's still on 60% or so, lowering capacity over time? | 19:37 |
| Nicd- | 1) no 2) no 3) no | 19:38 |
| coderus | 1. no, controller cares about it. 2. yes if you don't charge battery for a long time. 3. no | 19:38 |
| suy | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/04/ask-ars-the-best-way-to-use-a-lithium-ion-battery-redux/ for a more general answer | 19:41 |
| ln- | 2) li-ion batteries don't like being used till empty, 3) li-ion batteries like being recharged early | 19:42 |
| coderus | lion have no memory effect, it only loses charge if discharged for a long time or overheated | 19:42 |
| coderus | just keep lion active all the time and it will work best for you | 19:43 |
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| Nicd- | ln-: but the phone hardware won't let you use it until it's completely empty | 19:44 |
| Nicd- | I mean TO a completely empty state :P | 19:44 |
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| Nicd- | so normally using to 0% is not a risk | 19:45 |
| phlixi | [2014-07-17 21:42:49] <coderus> lion have no memory effect, it only loses charge if discharged for a long time or overheated <<<- but my Jolla is always pretty hot when charging... | 19:46 |
| phlixi | unfortunately i do not know how i should mesure the actual temperature | 19:47 |
| phlixi | maybe there is a sensor i might ask? (and if yes, how?) | 19:47 |
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| ShadowJK | Nicd-, leaving it at "0%" still accelerates wear substantially | 19:48 |
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| stephg | phlixi: | 19:48 |
| ShadowJK | where "Leaving it" means putting it away for a few weeks | 19:48 |
| stephg | the csd tool has one | 19:48 |
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| phlixi | thanks stephg | 19:48 |
| ln- | Nicd-: in any case, using it till 0% has other disadvantages. (e.g. not being able to make a phonecall when your house is on fire) | 19:49 |
| Nicd- | ShadowJK: exactly, but the phone itself won't allow it | 19:49 |
| stephg | phlixi: there'll be a device you can find but I don't know what it is | 19:49 |
| stephg | stracing what csd has open will show it tho' | 19:50 |
| Nicd- | so using to 0 % and then charging is not bad | 19:50 |
| ShadowJK | Nicd-, I specficially mean the 0% as declared by the phone. | 19:50 |
| ShadowJK | Real 0% is insta-death | 19:50 |
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| ShadowJK | more or less | 19:50 |
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| pdanek1 | cool, thx for answers | 19:54 |
| pdanek1 | Because that's what I thought. | 19:55 |
| pdanek1 | My above questions were probably valid 10 years ago. | 19:55 |
| pdanek1 | Yet my Android colleagues were convincing me today, that they still are! :) | 19:56 |
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| ShadowJK | In the ni-mh age, chargers were pretty bad, and would often destroy the batteries. (No such thing as memory effect, except in space) | 19:56 |
| kimmoli | for Li -topologies, charging battery full and then storing it at 100% is propably most bad thing you can do to them | 19:56 |
| ShadowJK | I would say empty is worse | 19:56 |
| kimmoli | yeah really empty | 19:57 |
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| ShadowJK | Below 3.5V | 19:57 |
| pdanek1 | kimmoli: Li-topologies? I thought that "1. no, controller cares about it." --> like it doesn't charge anymore when it's on 100%, just uses energy from AC | 19:59 |
| ShadowJK | same thing | 19:59 |
| pdanek1 | Because I keep Jolla every single night on charger, for ~8-9 hours. | 19:59 |
| pdanek1 | Is it bad? | 19:59 |
| ShadowJK | no | 19:59 |
| kimmoli | no that shouldnt be | 19:59 |
| pdanek1 | People in office tell me it's bad. | 20:00 |
| ShadowJK | The lifetime of Li-Ion is around 2 years, but extreme measures will make it shorter, and extreme measures could make it slightly longer. | 20:00 |
| pdanek1 | :) | 20:00 |
| kimmoli | my laptop e.g. charges to 100%, then uses it to 90% and keeps it there, until charger plugged in next time when it again charges it first to 100% | 20:01 |
| ShadowJK | Charge it to 70% or so, put it in a zip-lock bag, put it in the freezer. Life extended to 5-10 years. But what's the point, you can't use it. | 20:01 |
| kimmoli | but that you should do for spare battery, which you intend to use after 2 years... | 20:01 |
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| Anz_ | anybody here using QuasarMX audio player.. how to rescan for new files? | 20:02 |
| pdanek1 | :D | 20:04 |
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| coderus | Anz_: go to playlists view (3rd), memu - current playlist - rescan folders | 20:06 |
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| Anz_ | thank you coderus :) | 20:09 |
| Anz_ | so, got past 1 more SailfishOS bug.. (stock media player failing to play files with low sampling rate). | 20:12 |
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| Sidde | Anz_: that one does affect all media players using the same library i'll guess | 20:13 |
| Sidde | it's really annoying and no one seems to work on it | 20:13 |
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| Anz_ | Sidde: yes. very less votes on its tjc thread.. may be because not many users are affected. Felt terrible when I realized ~1500h of audio (the only thing I'll ever play on phone) isnt going to work. | 20:25 |
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| Sidde | Anz_: lots of audiobooks are affected | 20:27 |
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| juiceme | mmh, any DBUS gurus around...? | 20:45 |
| juiceme | w00t, ping | 20:46 |
| juiceme | special, ping | 20:46 |
| juiceme | chem|st, ping | 20:46 |
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| juiceme | Odd that it seems, the latest SFOS update changed something in the sync framework; | 20:47 |
| juiceme | I was using this command to force sync on mail: dbus-send --session --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.meego.msyncd /synchronizer com.meego.msyncd.startSync string:'syncemail' | 20:48 |
| juiceme | but after the update to 1.0.8.19 that does not work any longer... | 20:49 |
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| juiceme | instead it gives me the following error: | 20:50 |
| juiceme | [nemo@Jolla ~]$ dbus-send --session --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.meego.msyncd /synchronizer com.meego.msyncd.startSync string:'syncemail' | 20:50 |
| juiceme | method return sender=:1.20 -> dest=:1.121 reply_serial=2 boolean false | 20:50 |
| juiceme | [nemo@Jolla ~]$ | 20:50 |
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| juiceme | 1.20 is the "synchronizer", buteo probably | 20:53 |
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| juiceme | and it _does_ have the interface function "com.meego.msyncd.startSync()" available, I just checked... | 20:54 |
| juiceme | so what gives? | 20:54 |
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| pdanek | 2400×3000: http://rimblogs.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/blackberry-passport-assistant_blackphone.png | 22:10 |
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| phlixi | hmmmm | 23:16 |
| phlixi | connected to charger (for a while now, its full) and now it starts to vibrate every 1-5 seconds (more or less randomly...) | 23:16 |
| phlixi | it never did that before :/ | 23:16 |
| phlixi | additionally display turns on everytime and the chargings notice pops up | 23:17 |
| phlixi | any ideas how to stop this? | 23:18 |
| phlixi | (besides taking off the charger... i want to rsync a big folder over night, therefore it should be connected... | 23:18 |
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| pdanek | Do you guys know the old series Computer Chronicles? | 23:50 |
| pdanek | It's so much better than any of computer/mobile reviews of today. :P | 23:50 |
| pdanek | Can't stop watching it. | 23:50 |
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| gexc | if MS is axing nokia feature phones, just considering to grab one for backup/FM radio, etc. | 23:54 |
| gexc | and looooong battery life :-) | 23:55 |
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