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CosmicDuckhi, is there a way to disable the screen saver if power is plugged?03:48
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AL13N_workwho can i give feedback regarding the new connectivity stack?07:05
AL13N_worka lot of things have improved:07:05
AL13N_work- wifi is now more accurately displayed regarding *real* signal strength, instead of almost always showing full bars07:06
AL13N_work- the mobiledata-while-wifi-doesn't-work is great07:06
Jopetogether.jolla.com would probably be a good place07:07
AL13N_workthere are some place where the mobiledata-while-wifi-doesn't-work is being confused, but all in all07:08
AL13N_workgood job07:08
Jope<307:08
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AL13N_workJope: did you work on the new connectivity stack?07:09
Jopenope.. I just do servers :-)07:09
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Nicd-wifi seems significantly more stable now, I've gone back to using it07:12
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AL13N_workhmm, maybe i'll remove my static ip assignment on my wifi then07:20
AL13N_worksee if it works any better07:21
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Venemo_jmorning07:29
Venemo_jnew update is super awesome07:30
Venemo_jbut07:30
Venemo_jbrowser is quite glitchy07:30
dr_gogeta86i prefer old build from source07:30
dr_gogeta86got copy past07:30
dr_gogeta86now is gone07:30
dr_gogeta86btw07:30
dr_gogeta86amoled yes amoled no07:30
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Venemo_jsometimes when I open a new tab, it fails07:31
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Venemo_jit pauses html5 video when I switch to another tab07:32
Venemo_jbut it doesn't pause when I pull out the headphone jack07:33
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pdanekCan I update Jolla on port 80?07:38
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pp_lots of stuff is https :P maybe you can go through a port 80 proxy tho07:41
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ruskiehmm after update my setting for phone app for caller id got reset to managed by network instead of my setting of no07:47
intei have the impression that mitaakuulu is working better since the last update. no 100% cpu usage since i updated07:50
intecan anybody confirm?07:50
Nicd-ooh, I must try07:51
* inte speaking of SailfishOS update to 1.0.807:53
SK_workinte: better network management on SFOS side ?07:54
inteSK_work: I think so07:54
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pdanekpp_: but can I setup proxy for updates somehow?07:56
pp_hmn, probably some ssu/whatnot config file that may mess up everything07:56
inteiptables?07:57
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gexciptables works fine07:57
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integexc: now I ment pdanek could set some iptables rules and install a proxy to bend the updates through port 80 :)07:59
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intenever tried that myself, though07:59
intevpn works fine through 443 (https) though08:00
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gexcLOL08:01
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pdanekhm08:01
* gexc uses shadowsocks08:04
gexcthe port can be configured though08:04
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gexchaven't tried 80 :-/08:05
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meklufor a port that low you'll need root or CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE08:07
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Nicd-nope, I still have the busyloop in mitäkuuluu :(08:32
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inteNicd-: oh08:32
Nicd-even when wifi is stabel08:32
Nicd-stable*08:32
intedidnt take long for you to confirm08:33
meklunuke it from orbit, I say08:33
Nicd-but I want to use it08:33
inteim using it the whole day and never ran into it since i updated08:33
intestrange08:33
dr_gogeta86stezz, or other sailors aac audio is officially supported ?08:33
intehad it pretty often before08:33
stezzdr_gogeta86: should be08:33
intedr_gogeta86: at least there is a code package with plenty of aditional codecs08:34
* inte doesnt use aac though08:34
dr_gogeta86i say out the box08:34
dr_gogeta86inte, iphone wa users send vocal notes with this codec08:34
dr_gogeta86android use ogg on sammy and amr on mediatek08:34
dr_gogeta86i dunno why08:35
intei already installed the codecs so i wouldnt know if support was outofthebox, sorry08:35
* inte never uses vocal messages08:35
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interemindes me of pushtotalk in the old times08:35
intenever used that either08:35
inteand it was eventually ceased by the operators already08:36
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Bysmyyrdo anybody know someone who has used?08:36
pp_I tried it08:36
coderusNicd-: i will share beta build soon08:39
inteNicd-: are you anything more then text messaging or sending pictures?08:40
inte*than08:40
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Nicd-inte: pretty much just messaging with my wife and friends and sending pics08:42
ruskieanother thing I noticed after the update... all my account sync settings were reset to auto sync on 30 min from my manually set08:42
ruskiewondered why my battery was being drained08:42
inteNicd-: same for me08:42
intei will leave lighthouse open and see if i can reproduce the busyloop08:42
Nicd-coderus: nice :)08:43
intethen i will send a logfile to coderus08:43
inte:)08:43
Nicd-inte: no, he has already enough08:43
intei know just kidding08:43
Nicd-logfiles about the busyloop go straight to /dev/null08:43
inteoh08:43
intewell but he is aware and probably found the reason08:44
intebtw.08:44
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intei also had the impression that the busyloop especially appears if mitakuuluu is running AND the jolla contactd/telepathy is online at the same time08:44
intewhen i set jolla im to offline, no busyloop08:45
intemaybe those services somehow interfere...08:45
* inte reminds me that i set im offline a while ago08:46
intei will set im status available and keep on monitoring08:46
intecontactsd eats a lot of cpu as well08:47
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intewhat is com.skype.raide?08:53
intecom.skype.raider08:53
pp_https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.skype.raider ?-)08:54
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zbenjaminanyone else has problems with the location service since the new update? THe Maps application and Mitakuuluu tell me that i should enable locations when they are enabled already09:00
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TMavica_Jollaexcuse me, Is there a Jolla sale shop in spain?09:03
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Nicd-I don't think there are any concrete stores that sell Jolla outside Finland and Estonia09:03
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TMavica_Jollaestonia is spain?09:03
TMavica_Jollasorry, nth. i wrong09:05
TMavica_Jollalol..09:05
TMavica_Jollamade mistake09:05
Nicd-:D no, Estonia is not Spain09:06
TMavica_Jollayes. i know..09:06
TMavica_Jollai guess estonia is a spain language09:06
TMavica_Jollalook like09:06
mekluit isn't?09:07
TMavica_JollaJolla device ship outside europe is really costly?09:07
mekluI don't think it ships outside Europe09:07
TMavica_Jollaif my fd get in finland.and ship to other country ouside europe i mean09:07
AL13N_workespaña is spain09:08
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Nicd-Estonia is a country, right south of Finland09:08
AL13N_workestonia is a ex-sovjet country09:08
mekluThey speak Estonian09:08
AL13N_workone of the 3 small ones09:08
TMavica_JollaNicd got it. i google d it09:08
mekluwhich is linguistically a close relative of Finnish09:08
M4rtinK_jolla_nobody expects the Spanish inquisition!09:09
meklui.e. not at all like any romantic or germanic language09:09
AL13N_work...09:09
AL13N_workM4rtinK_jolla_: oh come on09:09
TMavica_Jollaif 1 people ship the Jolla outside europe, hows the cost?09:09
TMavica_Jollafrom finland09:09
TMavica_Jollai heard it needs 1xx euro..09:09
AL13N_workbe advised that outside of europe jolla phone might not work well09:09
AL13N_workdue to different frequency bands09:10
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TMavica_JollaAL13N_work: i confirmed work09:10
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AL13N_workok then09:10
TMavica_Jollabec i am using, lol09:10
TMavica_Jollabut few of my fd want it09:10
AL13N_workwhy do you want to ship a jolla if you're already using one?09:10
AL13N_workah09:10
AL13N_workok09:10
TMavica_JollaI am in Hong Kong09:10
AL13N_workah, ok09:11
TMavica_Jollamy fd want09:11
AL13N_workthey might ship to hong kong though09:11
TMavica_Jolladont know why still no official launch09:11
TMavica_Jollahk got official, but dont know when09:11
gexc~24 euros from netherlands to mainland china09:11
mekluI'd think they'd want to partner up with some local operators and stuff first09:11
TMavica_Jollahow about finland to HK?09:12
AL13N_workhk should be cheaper than mainland china09:12
TMavica_Jollagexc: i see taobao got Jolla sale, is it reliable..?09:12
gexcsomeone bought from taobao, seems okay09:13
TMavica_JollaAL13N_work: yes. hk most cheap09:13
TMavica_Jollagexc: taobao wont ship to hk..09:13
mekluwow, 101€09:13
gexcit is just strange that the package has hk labels on it but the charger is for EU LOL09:13
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AL13N_workTMavica_Jolla: you could contact care@jolla.com and ask them09:13
TMavica_Jollayes...09:13
AL13N_workah, charger...09:14
AL13N_workdoes that work in HK? the EU charger?09:14
mekluor no, just 36€09:14
meklusending a < 2kg package to HK would cost 36€09:14
TMavica_JollaAL13N_work: yes. add a adapter can work09:14
TMavica_Jollai am using09:14
AL13N_workok09:14
TMavica_Jollameklu: from finland?09:15
mekluyup09:15
mekluI checked the local mail service's price09:15
gexcthere are chargers everywhere ;-)09:15
AL13N_workanyway, care@ might have info regarding when HK would go live, or possibly do a manual shipping to you or something09:15
TMavica_Jollameklu: seem not allow ship phone as @juiceme tell me09:15
TMavica_Jollaneed use dhl or fedex09:16
TMavica_Jollalocal cant09:16
TMavica_Jollabec battery problem09:16
tbrzbenjamin: works for me. just the start screen shows some complaint, if I go to the map view it has a position09:16
gexcdepends on the service :-/09:17
AL13N_workTMavica_Jolla: i mean, maybe for some extra € they might manually ship to you or something09:17
zbenjamintbr: yes, but why the complaint? its clearly wrong09:17
AL13N_workor just ask someone in finland to ship to you09:17
mekluoh09:17
zbenjamintbr: and Mitakuuluu can not send locations anymore because of this09:17
TMavica_Jolla@juiceme already ever ship toh to me, really thanks him09:17
TMavica_Jollai asked him if jolla device, due to battery problem, so is costly09:18
tbrzbenjamin: no idea, did you check TJC?09:18
TMavica_Jollaby the way, leave it. forget it09:18
TMavica_Jollalol09:18
gexcmaybe just wait a bit more09:19
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gexcHK launch could be soon™09:19
zbenjamintbr: https://together.jolla.com/question/50426/bug-gps-location-service-not-available-1081909:20
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TMavica_Jollagexc: always soon, lol09:21
* tbr votes up the issue09:21
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mekluTMavica_Jolla: http://www.customs.gov.hk/en/trade_facilitation/prohibited_articles/imports/radio_trans/index.html09:25
gexcjolla phones bought form taobao seem to be EU version with chinese labels and manuals lol09:25
mekluthat might be an issue09:25
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gexchttp://tieba.baidu.com/p/3148819905?pid=5329466668609:26
gexcmanufactured at jan.14 hmm...09:26
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TMavica_Jollawont ship to hk09:27
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gexcthat seems quite early...09:27
TMavica_Jollamost strange is chinese menu with eur charger09:27
TMavica_Jollanot hk charger09:27
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TMavica_Jollahk charger is same as England charger09:28
TMavica_Jollahk all thing same as england09:28
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pdanekJolla in China!09:29
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TMavica_Jollai think is HK leaked product..09:29
gexcmaybe09:29
mekluokay, an import permit would be $150HK09:30
mekluwhich would be about +15€09:30
TMavica_JollaJolla already in HK, but not yet release09:30
gexcdelayed by the supplier of chargers perhaps09:31
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pp_just grab some from dx.com :)09:32
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TMavica_Jollajuiceme: here?09:33
pp_which reminds me to order some microusb cables09:33
mekluthe aforementioned permit stuff: http://www.ofca.gov.hk/en/electronic_services/permit/index.html09:34
TMavica_Jollagexc u in china?09:34
gexcyep09:35
TMavica_Jollagexc: can u order 3-5 Jolla from taobao for me, i transfer u money09:35
TMavica_Jollabec taobao not ship to hk09:35
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TMavica_Jollalol09:36
gexcthe taobao seller seems to ship from HK09:37
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TMavica_Jollait wont ship to hk..09:37
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TMavica_Jollaleave it, lol..09:38
gexc:O09:38
gexcweird09:38
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TMavica_Jollaseem too trouble..09:39
gexcLOL09:40
gexcyou can use a HK address though...09:40
TMavica_Jollait wont be ship to hk, only china09:41
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gexc:-/09:42
gexcmaybe contact the seller?09:42
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TMavica_Jollatry09:42
gexcor maybe they are selling in secret LOL09:42
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kimmolixfade_: ping11:15
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Milo-dang. I can't access my contacts since last update11:41
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stephgaccess how?11:42
Milo-People gives an empty list for contacts.11:42
Milo-can't add or link new contacts either11:43
stephgbtrfs space?11:43
Milo-4.4G available on root partition.. other partitions also have lot's of free space.11:44
stephgno11:46
stephgbtrfs space :)11:46
Milo-yeah I'm not sure which partition that would be.11:46
Milo-hmm.. rebooting the device fixed this11:46
Milo-meh11:47
stephgbtrfs fi show11:48
stephgwhat does that say11:48
stephg(this is what you have to keep an eye on: whilst it appears you still have free space, sometimes you don't)11:48
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FireFlyuh oh.. 'size 13.75GB used 13.75GB'11:50
FireFlyI wonder what I could have that takes that much space11:51
Bysmyyrbalance... and hope that it not crash11:51
Milo-size 13.75GB used 12.75GB11:51
Milo-it reports different readings as df -h for some reason11:52
BysmyyrMilo-: you also should do balance11:52
stephgBysmyyr: he may not have enough space to do a balance11:52
Milo-Bysmyyr balance?11:52
Bysmyyryhttps://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/11:53
stephgso if it's full, you can do a balance (which was indended to sort space probs out over filesystems upon multiple devices11:53
stephgbut it does a reallocation and you may get allocatable space back11:53
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FireFlyHmhmhm11:56
FireFlyI wonder why my .vault is 2.2G..11:56
Bysmyyrthere is all pics and images11:56
FireFlyHm, right11:57
Nicd-Milo-: btrfs allocated space and space the user has used are different things11:57
Nicd-that's why btrfs fi show and df disagree11:58
Milo-I see11:58
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FireFlyHuh, git log in .vault shows commits from dec 1312:01
FireFlyThat was before the devices were shipped, right?12:01
Milo-no?12:01
FireFlyhm12:01
FireFlyMaybe I misremember, but I thought they were shipped closer to christma12:02
FireFlys12:02
FireFlyI guess I do misremember12:02
Milo-I got mine on 11.12.1312:02
Milo-now that's a pretty date.12:02
FireFlyHehe12:02
Milo-and I bought it from a DNA store, as Jolla failed to send me my account details for the store :/12:03
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ruskielol so used to jolla that any other touchscreen device I pickup I try to use in a similar way12:27
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CosmicDuckhi, i want to use my own tls-ssl imap/smtp secured mail server with my jolla. I've created an own root-ca name ca.pem. So I want to add ca.pem to the lists of installed root certificates on sailfish. Does anybody knows the correct procedure to do this correctly?12:49
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CosmicDuckI found this here. Does anybody have experience with it?: http://forum.jollausers.com/sailfish-news/how-to-add-ca-certtificate/12:49
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louisdkI'm looking for a screenshot of the settings, sO I can see the default widgets arrangement.12:52
Nicd-louisdk: which screen?12:53
louisdkNicd-, The Settings overview where you can see System, Apps and Accounts menu.12:54
Nicd-just wait a sec12:54
kimmolimean this? https://app.younited.com/?shareObject=5955ea65-d1c4-0e84-f3e9-67768c7c34ab12:55
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louisdkkimmoli, Kinda. I want to know which widgets are shown by default in Settings.12:57
louisdkAnd in which order.12:57
Nicd-ah, then my screenshot won't help12:58
kimmolifour topmost iirc12:58
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kimmoliand in that order12:58
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kimmoliother phone is fresh from factory reset, yes that is. i can send ss if you want12:59
louisdkkimmoli, is it wifi, 3g, bluetooth and airplane mode, in that order?13:00
Nicd-I have airplane, wifi, 3g, bluetooth13:00
Nicd-and I think that was from default13:00
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CosmicDuckHmm, I cannot connect to my mail server. No idea why. All settings are ok like at in my thunderbird. I allowed not trusted certificates also. Is there any log file anywhere for the mail client which I can check?13:01
louisdkNicd-, Sounds right. Thanks.13:01
kimmolilouisdk: just to confirm that; https://app.younited.com/?shareObject=a6fb7825-e9c6-2c50-f095-4f1503f7b77313:01
kimmolifrom fresh device13:01
louisdkkimmoli, thanks :)13:03
louisdkI created this ticket a while ago: https://together.jolla.com/question/40686/feature-request-ability-to-sort-favorites-in-settings/ - It's annoying to have to delete the hole raw if you want to sort them.13:06
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gexcdoes anyone feel strange for the toggles and the shortcuts not being aligned?13:13
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ggabrieli feel strange but for other reasons, can live with toggles/shortcuts alignments as it is :P13:16
EkeeHello everyone! I was searching for an answer for a problem my Jolla phone has and can't find the right answer anywhere13:16
Sailor356_i have a problem: when i start an Android app sometimes the jolla rebooting permanently as long as reinsert the battery13:16
Ekeei found @ talk.maemo.org guy called Stskeeps and found my way here13:17
EkeeWas wondering if anyone else has had the same problem but i can't find anyone that has had exactly the same problem13:17
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gexcthat's not a show-stopper obviously LOL13:18
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Sailor356_have someone a solution?13:19
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EkeeSo my Jolla started to act really slow. I tried to uninstall applications that I downloaded from android market but always when i tried it, the market crashed13:20
EkeeSo i decided to factory reset my phone and take a backup13:20
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Sailor356_Sailor356_: i have a problem: when i start an Android app sometimes the jolla rebooting permanently as long as reinsert the battery13:21
Ekeeafter that my phone won't reset anymore. Few times when I drained the battery empty and charged it I could get to the welcome screen to select the language. But after the selection there reads "Please wait" and then the phone crashes and goes again to the welcome screen to select the language13:21
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EkeeSo is there anyone who could help me with my problem or has the same problem? I have tried all the things in recovery mode13:24
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CosmicDuckalso email is very very very .... simple. I've hundreds of folders and subfolders but cannot subsribe only the folders so i want to see only the one I need on my jolla :-( Is there another mail application allready available?13:30
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EkeeOh, and if I "try btrfs recovery if your device is in bootloop" it just says "Segmentation fault"13:31
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EkeeOk, someone has the same problem here http://bit.ly/1wuLCx7 but there are no answers :c13:59
louisdkIs there a tjc ticket for extending Jolla Ambiance functionality like custom ringstones for each ambiance whenever viberation should be enabled or not?13:59
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EkeeAnybody?14:16
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louisdkEkee, it seems like you have to contact Jolla Care: https://jolla.zendesk.com14:20
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Ekeelouisdk: Ok, thanks!14:25
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dunphttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/378232716/inkcase-plus-e-ink-screen-for-android-phone15:08
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juicemeTMavica, ping15:19
juicemeTMavica_Jolla, ping :)15:19
juicemeam here now and then.15:19
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Yanielhmm, latest update feels okay15:30
Yanielbut it seems a bit unstable shortly after boot15:30
YanielI alwys need a coupleof retries before it boots and enables networking without panicing and rebootingitself15:31
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Yanielalso the media player has changed the order of albums15:31
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Sailor356_Sailor356_: i have a problem: when i start an Android app sometimes the jolla rebooting permanently as long as reinsert the battery15:47
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parasemichow did i install zypper? :315:52
Yanielpkcon install zypper15:54
parasemicth15:54
parasemicx15:54
parasemici should linux more15:55
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Yanielwere the audio drivers upgraded in this update? because suddenly these earknobs sound stunning16:18
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pdanekAndroid apps with separate covers! Amazing!16:55
pdanekHopefully issues with Android apps in landscape having portrait gestures enabled was fixed too.16:56
fennekkipdanek: that seems to have to do with the Android apps not properly registering an orientation change, though16:56
fennekkimore than having wrong gestures16:57
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pdanekfennekki: yes, that's it :)17:01
pdanekfennekki: but not completely17:01
pdanekbecause Android app changes orientation, it is in landscape17:01
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pdanekbut minimize * close gestures are still portrait-like17:02
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pdanekhappens a lot to me17:02
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coderuspdanek: some android apps just rotating own surface without telling orientation to change17:02
pdanekI see17:02
pdanekthat's why then17:03
coderusyou can do nothing with me17:03
coderuswith it*17:03
coderusnot with me :D17:03
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pdanekI agree, but for end-users (as Jolla is made for end users, not for power users), they will see it as "Jolla gestures not working properly".17:04
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pdanekSince most of apps on Jolla are unfortunately Android.17:04
pdanekOne of the reasons why I loved N900 is because it's pretty much only-landscape OS and all apps were written for landscape.17:08
pdanekOne of the reasons why I like upcoming BlackBerry Passport is because it's 1:1 screen ratio, so no hassle with portrait/landscape.17:08
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pdanekI find myself fighting with display orientation quite a lot. :D17:08
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coderusMitakuuluu 0.8.1 Beta Build - Bugs Hunting. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1433029&postcount=139717:12
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Yanielyay, that lpm is cool17:53
Yanielcanhaz currently playingnsong there too?17:54
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lainwir3dyaniel17:55
lainwir3doops17:55
lainwir3ddidn't mean to do that. Nevermind.17:56
niceduckhmm, with newest sailOS, MfE still doesn't work :(, I wonder, if there is any doc, which MfE autosync methods jolla uses ?17:56
niceduck*auto discovery*17:57
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pdanek1) Charging phone from laptop: Is iPhone charging faster from Macbook thunderbird than other phones from other laptops via USB 3.0?19:05
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pdanek2) LTE being much more power intensive: is it SW issue, or it's given by HW mostly?19:06
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Nicd-pdanek: you mean thunderbolt, not thunderbird?19:07
pdanekyes19:07
pdanekI was going to fix myself, but you was quicker. :)19:07
Nicd-thunderbolt provides 550 mA max19:07
pdanekand USB/MicroUSB?19:08
Nicd-usb can provide more if the device supports it but I wouldn't count many laptops giving out more than 500 mA19:08
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Nicd-usb can provide up to 5 A19:08
pdanekhm19:08
pdanek:(19:08
pdanekThanks.19:09
pdanek2) ? :)19:09
Nicd-I don't know about that19:10
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mpsi_Hello guys, I have a problem with Jolla being only able to charge the battery over usb connection. No pop-up menu, impossible to enter developer mode or pc suite mode. Upon connecting the usb nothing seems to show in logs in both the computer and the phone.20:32
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ninnnumpsi_: Settings -> System -> USB?20:35
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Sail0ris there any plan to add MPRIS support in the media player?21:01
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pdanekIs Jolla discussing partnership conditions with any phone manufacturer? (potentially Chinese one)21:42
pdanekIf not, what do you think is the reason why it didn't happen yet? Maturity level of OS? DO you expect it to happen next year when Sailfish will be killer-OS?21:43
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