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| slate | teve: kiitos, tuokin antaa jo vähän osviittaa | 05:24 |
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| slate | Sorry for finglish. | 05:25 |
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| pp_ | jolla update server is running on amazon (european amazon tho :-) ) | 06:09 |
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| Jartza | cool | 06:20 |
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| Jartza | the latest update made android-experience much much much smoother | 06:20 |
| Jartza | now when even accidentally closing app pressing back too many times, it only closes one app | 06:21 |
| Jartza | and changing the apps is "more native" | 06:21 |
| Jartza | (y) | 06:21 |
| Nicd- | still for some reason some people complain about it | 06:21 |
| Quu | yeah, because android apps are horrible and bad and boohoo | 06:21 |
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| Jartza | I still need my android apps, so I'm not complaining | 06:27 |
| Jartza | but it's always true, some people complain no matter what :) | 06:28 |
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| Jartza | give them $1M and they ask "why only million?" | 06:28 |
| Nicd- | I currently have two android apps, c:geo and Sokoban Garden | 06:28 |
| Nicd- | would get S-Mobiili too if it was in the app store | 06:28 |
| Jartza | I would get Nordea-app | 06:31 |
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| Skorpy | now just to get rid of the back button at the bottom of the screen. (*somehow*) | 06:43 |
| Skorpy | looks silly with just one button. :P | 06:43 |
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| pp_ | at least it's not a windows button | 06:45 |
| Sail0r | I would prefer they concentrate much more on the Sailfish experience itself then bringing better android support :-/. (eg E-Mailapp, Calendarapp, Contactsapp, Sync etc) | 06:47 |
| ruskie | ow nice... update | 06:47 |
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| * cb400f adds a bunch of webshortcuts to the launcher :-) | 07:04 | |
| Stskeeps | Sail0r: well, it's an external company doing the android support, it doesn't take away time from us internally | 07:07 |
| Sail0r | Stskeeps: ok | 07:08 |
| ruskie | well now I can actually select what to sync from my work google account | 07:08 |
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| Stskeeps | bad experience anywhere in the ui hurts the thing as a whole, ie, the multiwindow thing really helps overall.. | 07:09 |
| pp_ | yup, like the update (now to see whether the piece of paper I added to the battery did anything) | 07:09 |
| pp_ | glance screen is still not an official feature, right? (couldn't find the menu entry for it at least) | 07:12 |
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| Nicd- | pp_: yep, it's not | 07:17 |
| meklu | doesn't look too useful IMO | 07:17 |
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| pp_ | it is if you don't own a watch and store the phone in your pocket :-) | 07:22 |
| meklu | I can't really see a usecase for having to actually slap your hand on a very specific part of the phone to get it to show information | 07:23 |
| meklu | you might as well hit the unlock button :) | 07:23 |
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| pp_ | upside down on the table works too :- | 07:24 |
| pp_ | n9-style was much nicer, but better than nothing in the current implementation | 07:24 |
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| trigpoint | Is there a native qr app, searching qr in the store brings up nothing | 07:43 |
| meklu | there's a native qr app on openrepos | 07:45 |
| stephg | is there? cool | 07:45 |
| cb400f | I use QR Droid until native reaches harbour.. think I got it from 1MobileMarket | 07:46 |
| trigpoint | openrepos? | 07:46 |
| cb400f | repositories with stuff not yet mature enough for the official store | 07:47 |
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| cb400f | though sometimes I wonder if developers are content with their stuff living in openrepos and never reaching harbour :-| | 07:49 |
| * cb400f is impatiently waiting for modrana, fbreader, qrscany etc. | 07:49 | |
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| trigpoint | thanks guys, found it | 07:55 |
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| inte | mh. when trying to enable additional repos in warehouse i currently get an authentication failed error | 08:27 |
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| kimmoli | policy changes | 08:27 |
| inte | which means? | 08:28 |
| kimmoli | related: https://together.jolla.com/question/50358/pkcon-fails-after-update-to-10819/ | 08:28 |
| tbr | wait until they fix it | 08:28 |
| tbr | and they: OR | 08:28 |
| inte | ok thanks | 08:28 |
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| inte | by the way, there is this "allow third party software " in settings | 08:29 |
| inte | i had not enabled but was able to instal from openrepos, several android stores e.g. | 08:30 |
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| inte | what is that switch good for? | 08:30 |
| kimmoli | yes, by that you can install rpm after downloading them via browser | 08:30 |
| kimmoli | if that switch is _off_ , you can't install rpm from transfers | 08:31 |
| inte | that also worked already, by the rpm installer | 08:31 |
| inte | from openrepos | 08:31 |
| kimmoli | ah, never used that | 08:32 |
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| inte | so this would replace rpm-installer and any rpm i click in the browser will subsequently be installed without further interaction? | 08:33 |
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| inte | anyways thanks then i will wait for or to fix it | 08:34 |
| kimmoli | i quickly assume that rpm-install will also be updated (?) | 08:35 |
| inte | its not necessary any longer anyways if i got you right? | 08:40 |
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| kimmoli | there is no nice gui though. it just installs with a remorse | 08:45 |
| inte | ok | 08:46 |
| osaton | after the update android apps (instagram, untappd) don't let you select (are not showing) photos taken after the update. also new images taken in portrait mode are rotated to landscape in gallery. are these common problems or is it just my jolla? | 08:47 |
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| inte | osaton workd for me | 08:49 |
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| clau | talking about Telegram, do you get notifications now when it is in background? | 08:49 |
| inte | just took a pic and opend it in the canon printer app | 08:49 |
| osaton | inte, thanks | 08:49 |
| clau | the sound notifications are just fine when it's full screen, not so when it's in background | 08:49 |
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| ggabriel | o/ | 08:57 |
| ggabriel | ...and i didn't update sailfish :P | 08:57 |
| ighea_ | you should, it is awesome | 08:57 |
| ggabriel | ENOTIME | 08:57 |
| ggabriel | i'll try tonight | 08:57 |
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| narchie | new patch? | 08:59 |
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| TemeV | clau: I don't get notifications for android telegram | 08:59 |
| narchie | to optima service: | 09:00 |
| narchie | please return my jolla | 09:00 |
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| Nicd- | narchie: optima is not on this channel | 09:01 |
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| Scelt | Nicd-: they should to get the feedback | 09:02 |
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| inte | who is optima? | 09:03 |
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| Nicd- | a company which handles jolla repairs | 09:03 |
| inte | ah | 09:03 |
| Scelt | they're known for unrepairing the devices | 09:04 |
| Scelt | or blaming "mechanical damage" to get consumer's money | 09:04 |
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| Scelt | the hair in my back arises when I hear the name Optima | 09:05 |
| kimmoli | xfade_: ping. Aard is on holidays | 09:05 |
| kimmoli | Scelt: i have only one experience with them, but it is positive. Loudspeaker changed in warranty, got phone back in less than 24 hours. | 09:06 |
| narchie | I have only one and its terrible | 09:07 |
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| narchie | hope it's better this time though since it should be straightforward | 09:07 |
| kimmoli | only negative thing is that they did reset the phone, luckily to backup everything to sd card. music manually, and made rough list of apps installed. +extra copy of ~/.config folder | 09:11 |
| tabasko | anyone know how to add webshortcuts after latest firmware upgrade? | 09:11 |
| tabasko | I cant figure it out | 09:11 |
| kimmoli | browser, on the url-enter-page (tab view whatever) pulldown | 09:12 |
| tabasko | ah, too easy :) | 09:12 |
| tabasko | thanks kimmoli | 09:12 |
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| kimmoli | if you open link via that, and close browser like immediately, you'll might see shadows of some launcher cover... | 09:13 |
| clau | TemeV: it seems it's disconnecting when in background. :( | 09:15 |
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| pesasa | Now that wasn't easy upgrade. Upgrade was loaded well, but installation booted the device right in the beginning. Every time. | 09:18 |
| pesasa | Apparently the disk was too full. When I cleaned up and made some more space, the upgrade went well. | 09:19 |
| stephg | pesasa: yeah the btrfs can be a bit fussy | 09:20 |
| pesasa | But no error message or anything. Just reboot. And after that Android-software didn't work anymore. | 09:21 |
| AL13N_work | hmm, maybe jolla needs to handle out of disk space a bit better | 09:22 |
| pesasa | After successfull upgrade, they started to work again. That might be also because of lack of space. | 09:22 |
| Nicd- | depends on if it was 'disk full' or 'btrfs full' | 09:23 |
| pesasa | However, Jolla reported around 11 GB/13 GB used. | 09:23 |
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| pesasa | Or maybe like 10.5 GB / 13.7 GB. But I wouldn't consider that full. | 09:25 |
| Nicd- | btrfs can still be full | 09:25 |
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| Nicd- | I had 4 GB used when my btrfs filled I think | 09:26 |
| Nicd- | or even less | 09:26 |
| pesasa | Nicd-: Jeah, that's not nice. | 09:26 |
| AL13N_work | pesasa: Nicd-: the df -h values are not good values for btrfs | 09:26 |
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| TemeV | clau: ok, that explains... | 09:26 |
| AL13N_work | the real disk usage needs to be check with btrfs fi df and such | 09:26 |
| Nicd- | AL13N_work: I know | 09:27 |
| AL13N_work | otoh, the kernel is only 3.4 in jolla | 09:27 |
| AL13N_work | so | 09:27 |
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| meklu | that might cause a few issues, admittedly | 09:27 |
| AL13N_work | though i'd like it if df -h values would be chosen from the subvolum quotas | 09:27 |
| Nav | Anyone else noticed their other half ambiance being periodically selected since upgrading? | 09:28 |
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| Nav | Has happened twice here | 09:28 |
| AL13N_work | 3.12 would be nice, but the firmware needs to be available for it | 09:28 |
| Nicd- | Nav: I've had it for a long while | 09:28 |
| Nicd- | I just keep the OH ambience non-favorite so it isn't chosen | 09:28 |
| tobiski | I have the snow white ambience favorited but it doesn't select it ever | 09:29 |
| Nav | Ah, ok, nice to know | 09:29 |
| AL13N_work | i have no ambience favorited | 09:29 |
| inte | uh, microsoft is kicking the former Nokia staff | 09:29 |
| AL13N_work | i did once end up with snow white after removed and replaced TOH | 09:29 |
| tobiski | Shouldn't it automatically change to OH's ambience if it's favorited? | 09:29 |
| AL13N_work | inte: what did you expect | 09:29 |
| inte | yeah, since they are selling even less phones now... | 09:30 |
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| Nicd- | tobiski: yes, when the OH is connected, it should | 09:30 |
| inte | i only wonder if Nokia will get back into phone businesd im 2016 | 09:31 |
| AL13N_work | why 2016? | 09:31 |
| tobiski | Nicd-: Isn't happening to me, and I should have tohd.service running also | 09:31 |
| Nicd- | tobiski: then it's a bug I guess | 09:31 |
| inte | werent they forbidden to make esones earlier? | 09:31 |
| AL13N_work | tobiski: does the settings detect it? | 09:31 |
| AL13N_work | tobiski: do you see the TOH ID in the settings device info? | 09:31 |
| AL13N_work | inte: oh, ok | 09:31 |
| tobiski | AL13N_work: yes | 09:32 |
| AL13N_work | well, who would even buy a windows phone... | 09:32 |
| inte | make phones | 09:32 |
| inte | well nokia is not making windows phone any more | 09:32 |
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| inte | however, they are still developing Here Auto which Linux/Qt | 09:33 |
| Nicd- | hmm, apparently microsoft cannot release any new wp phones with the nokia name | 09:33 |
| AL13N_work | huh? why? | 09:34 |
| Nicd- | at least this claims so: http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/microsoft-nokia-buyout-details-7-things-to-know/#!bfothN | 09:34 |
| inte | yes they are only allowed to use the Nokia brand for ashas | 09:34 |
| inte | nokia could get back into susiness, though | 09:35 |
| inte | or support Jolla | 09:35 |
| inte | or license sailfishos | 09:35 |
| inte | they the have interesting patents | 09:35 |
| tobiski | I see people fixed it by using another OH but I have only the white one | 09:36 |
| inte | i would love to see a pureview toh | 09:36 |
| TemeV | iirc originally it was said ta ms can use nokia brand for smartphones for a few years | 09:36 |
| inte | had an 808 for a while and the pictures were amazing | 09:36 |
| pp_ | high-res pics over i2c would be a bit painful :( | 09:36 |
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| inte | is it so slow? uh:( | 09:37 |
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| pp_ | you'd pretty much have to do it over wlan or bt | 09:37 |
| Nicd- | TemeV: that article states that MS can use the Nokia name in *existing* Lumia phones for 10 years | 09:37 |
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| Nicd- | but can't make any new WP phones with the Nokia name | 09:37 |
| TemeV | ok, didn't read the article | 09:37 |
| kimmoli | i have been wondering could the sdcard (SPI) used for data transfer... | 09:37 |
| TemeV | but i'd guess ms doesn't even want to use nokia brand for new ones | 09:38 |
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| inte | well put the logic in the toh and only control it through i2c then:) | 09:38 |
| Acce | kimmoli: I was thinking about that too, it would offer simple interface via writing and reading files + could be quite fast | 09:39 |
| Acce | It was just hard to find information on how to pose a mcu as sd card | 09:39 |
| kimmoli | sd-card emulation.. | 09:39 |
| inte | temev yeah its a bit confusing at the moment, while new phones like the nokiax are from microsoft, apps like the android launcher are from nokia finland | 09:40 |
| Acce | simple version might include sdcard and mcu, Jolla and the mcu taking turns in writing & reading the sd card | 09:40 |
| pp_ | some clever filesystem which allows simultaneous use :D | 09:40 |
| Acce | it could definitely give more speed compared to i2c | 09:41 |
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| Kabouik | The deterioration is not big a deal though, it still works good and looks good | 10:03 |
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| Kabouik | Sure it looks like it is bumped (I can imagine the reinforced structure inside, and see where the PCB is), but it's still ok | 10:04 |
| Nicd- | what a netsplit | 10:04 |
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| tobiski | well this is interesting, was tyring various things to get the OH ambience to change on attach. I had ~80% battery and now all of a sudden it's at 10% :D | 10:07 |
| tobiski | I'll reboot and see if it gets back to 80 | 10:07 |
| tobiski | yup, back to 76% | 10:08 |
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| AL13N_work | anyone else having troubles after the upgrade? | 10:53 |
| AL13N_work | i put in the unlock code | 10:54 |
| Nav | Not noticed any problems so far | 10:54 |
| AL13N_work | then the pin code screen appears | 10:54 |
| AL13N_work | and the keyboard popped up, making me unable to type in the pin | 10:54 |
| AL13N_work | Stskeeps: ^^ | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | swipe it down? | 10:54 |
| AL13N_work | i couldn't | 10:54 |
| AL13N_work | i pressed power button and double-tapped to make it dissapear | 10:55 |
| ggabriel | i don't even have an update notification, and i have been to my home wlan | 10:55 |
| AL13N_work | it took me a while too | 10:55 |
| AL13N_work | i ended up going to the store to trigger it | 10:55 |
| AL13N_work | ooh, nice, the new connectivity stack, i got mobile data while wifi is having troubles connecting | 10:57 |
| AL13N_work | hmm, maybe there's some more tuning required... | 10:59 |
| AL13N_work | during this fallback time, they gui sometimes has it wrong | 11:00 |
| AL13N_work | anyone know who i talk to about this wifi/mobiledata failover feature? | 11:01 |
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| Nicd- | goodbye Stskeeps :( | 11:11 |
| SK_work | :( | 11:13 |
| giucam | lol. he'll be back ;) | 11:14 |
| ggabriel | even the best of us have to go to the toilet | 11:15 |
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| louisdk | How to I change the ambience to just a single colour? :) | 11:39 |
| kimmoli | make your own ambience package with sdk, and change there to same? https://github.com/kimmoli/qtcreator-ambience-wizard/blob/master/ambience-template.ambience#L12 | 11:41 |
| kimmoli | stephg: ping | 11:42 |
| meklu | those secondary colours are RGBA, right? | 11:43 |
| kimmoli | yes | 11:43 |
| meklu | rather than e.g. RGB | 11:43 |
| meklu | err, ARGB | 11:43 |
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| kimmoli | RGBA | 11:43 |
| kimmoli | they have some transparency | 11:44 |
| kimmoli | i yesterday realised that the ambience package can be simplified, just wallpaper and colors (no need for sounds, translations, etc) | 11:44 |
| meklu | neat | 11:45 |
| kimmoli | will push one ripped example somewhere later... | 11:46 |
| kimmoli | stephg: undo-ping. gtg | 11:47 |
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| stephg | ping undone! | 11:57 |
| stephg | laters kimmoli | 11:57 |
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| inz | ooh update | 12:07 |
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| louisdk | This is strange. Over the last couples of days my Jolla phone (running update 7 and 8) have been randomly shutting down (having at lest 15% battery). When I manually boots it again it says that be battery is only at 2% and shuts down. Then when I connect the charger it charges and displays that the battery is back at the same % as before the first shutdown. | 12:57 |
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| AL13N_work | louisdk: i think people recommend to take out battery for 10min | 12:59 |
| pp_ | yea, paper between battery might help too | 13:00 |
| pp_ | mine failed the battery resistance test for a while (and had random shutdowns) | 13:00 |
| pp_ | now it looks happy | 13:00 |
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| pp_ | could be the heat too, will contact care eventually if it doesn't clear up on its own :P | 13:01 |
| louisdk | AL13N_work, Ok will try that. | 13:02 |
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| Pawky | when will alien dalvik be able to listen to multicast signals? | 13:12 |
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| CosmicDuck | hi. i got email that jolla release 8 is available. But manually browsing to sailfish updates shows me only update from june 10. The link is not really working an i'm redirected to home page. Can anybody confirm that or should I use another browser than ff? | 13:16 |
| meklu | there are release notes on tjc | 13:18 |
| meklu | https://together.jolla.com/question/50175/release-notes-software-version-10819-tahkalampi/ | 13:18 |
| CosmicDuck | fine, it's working. But in real it's bad to send newsletter mails with links which are not working well, hehe | 13:19 |
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| meklu | ha, yeah | 13:19 |
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| clau | is the update already available to everyone? | 13:49 |
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| * pahartik tried to upgrade from "Sailfish Linux 1.0.5.19" but it appears to not find anything to upgrade to | 14:19 | |
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| ggabriel | i didn't force check myself, but the update didn't appear on its own | 14:22 |
| ggabriel | then again, i haven't plugged it in just yet - maybe it needs juice and then it encourages you to upgrade | 14:22 |
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| CosmicDuck | another question, i've bought an external bt keyboard which is working fine with us layout. is there a easy way to change the layout to german? | 15:01 |
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| AL13N_work | CosmicDuck: i think there was something like that on tjc | 15:09 |
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| ShadowJK | wish sailfish irc didnt reconnect everytime jolla flips between mobile data and wifi :/ | 15:11 |
| ShadowJK | (openvpn on jolla bridges ip changes anyway) | 15:11 |
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| MoritzJT | Anyone knows why Warehouse stopped working with the latest update, is it the polkit thing? | 15:15 |
| AL13N_work | ShadowJK: maybe keep the openvpn up and let that route differently | 15:15 |
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| CosmicDuck | tjc? | 15:34 |
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| merlin1991 | Together.jolla.com | 15:39 |
| stephg | MoritzJT: it's the polkit yes | 15:40 |
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| MoritzJT | stephg: Do we have any info on a fix coming soon? | 15:47 |
| stephg | pass | 15:48 |
| Jartza | btw. I found out that there's a Nordea Finland -app in 1Mobile store | 15:48 |
| Jartza | but how trustworthy is 1Mobile? | 15:49 |
| MoritzJT | stephg: Thanks for the heads up :-) | 15:49 |
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| CosmicDuck | does anybody have installed the amazon android shop ? | 16:02 |
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| CosmicDuck | ok now it worx | 16:03 |
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| CosmicDuck | another question about android apps, is it possible to silently forbid some of the requested ressources, eg contacts? | 16:04 |
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| * Nav is getting annoyed by the number of droid apps wanting google play extensions. | 16:05 | |
| Nav | There's a reason I don't *have* an android phone.... | 16:05 |
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| Nav | Anyone else having problems with updates of warehouse apps since upgrading? I just get "Status: not-authoorized Extra details: Failed to obtain authentication." When selecting an update to install. | 16:29 |
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| Nav | ah, ignore me, looks like its mentioned in the release notes | 16:30 |
| stephg | Nav: yep is in the relnotes | 16:31 |
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| Nav | Will have to wait for a new warehouse package then | 16:33 |
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| gexc | no swipe-to-install for the store client? | 16:37 |
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| tigeli | gexc: not anymore, now it's only through pulley-menu | 16:48 |
| bennypr0fane | I can't send e-mail from an account that was previously fine. I deactivated it in account settings (without making any changes), and after re-activating it, it still recieves e-mail, but won't send ("login failed") | 16:48 |
| bennypr0fane | this didn't change after update to 1.0.8 | 16:48 |
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| bennypr0fane | Nav, I have the same warehouse thing | 16:49 |
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| Nav | bennypr0fane: looks like it'll need a manual install of an updated warehouse package | 16:49 |
| bennypr0fane | Nav good to know | 16:49 |
| Nav | as for your email problem, are you sure nobody changed anything on the server? :-) | 16:50 |
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| bennypr0fane | NAv, what do you mean "on the server"? like, in settings? | 16:50 |
| Nav | I'd make sure your auth type and crypto settings are correct - that caused me problems for a while | 16:50 |
| bennypr0fane | but it used to work fine before | 16:50 |
| Nav | is it *your* server? | 16:51 |
| bennypr0fane | Has anyone else ever disabled an e-mail account temporarily, with problems after? | 16:51 |
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| bennypr0fane | Nav, no, it's fastmail.fm, commercial provider | 16:51 |
| Nav | send and receive problem? | 16:52 |
| Nightmare__ | Aard: any news on that bug? it's in 1.0.8.19 too https://together.jolla.com/question/45026/hotfix-opt-in-hotfix-for-connectivity-in-upcoming-update-7/#post-id-47298 | 16:53 |
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| Nightmare__ | (ip renewal problems) | 16:54 |
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| bennypr0fane | Nav, only sending. In IMAP, isn't the outgoing server the same as the incoming one? | 16:57 |
| bennypr0fane | just looking at my provider's knowledge base: https://www.fastmail.fm/help/technical/servernamesandports.html?u=03c0411b | 16:58 |
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| bennypr0fane | Is seems the Jolla client doesn't let you specifiy what protocol you wanna use, right? | 16:59 |
| Nav | you need to ensure you're using the right settings depending on the port you're using though | 17:01 |
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| Morpog_PC | bennypr0fane, no, outgoing and ingoing servers are always fifferent | 17:04 |
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| bennypr0fane | Morpog_PC: then it's correct that they have different ports, yes? | 17:05 |
| Morpog_PC | yes | 17:05 |
| Nav | according to their docs, if you've selected Secure connection: TLS for your outbound server then you need to use port 465 | 17:07 |
| Nav | if you've chosen StartTLS then you need to use 587 | 17:07 |
| bennypr0fane | is the outgoing server always SMTP, even when the protocol is IMAP? | 17:07 |
| bennypr0fane | Nav the Jolla supports SSL though right? | 17:08 |
| Nav | yes, your phone supports either | 17:09 |
| Nav | and yes, you always use SMTP for sending | 17:09 |
| bennypr0fane | How does the client know if I want to use pop or imap? | 17:10 |
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| Nav | it doesn't | 17:10 |
| Morpog_PC | it's the same on on your desktop mail client btw | 17:10 |
| Nav | you select one :-) | 17:10 |
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| Morpog_PC | pop on a mobile feels so wrong :D | 17:12 |
| Nav | pop *is* wrong | 17:12 |
| bennypr0fane | so I just enter the address of hte server, and the client what protocol it needs to talk to it? | 17:13 |
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| Nav | bennypr0fane: I think its imap by default, it *may* decide to use pop based on the port you select, but I can't be certain because I've always used imap | 17:14 |
| Morpog_PC | client: hey server what protocol are you using? server: I'm using imap you fool | 17:14 |
| Morpog_PC | client: hey server pop3 request incoming server: wtf client, I don't understand a word, I only understand IMAP | 17:16 |
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| bennypr0fane | :-P still won't work, crud. I mean it doens't make sense that first it works and then it doesn't if I never changed anyhting | 17:16 |
| Nav | more like port 119/995 pop, 143/220/993 imap | 17:16 |
| Nav | 110, not 119 | 17:16 |
| bennypr0fane | Nav got it | 17:16 |
| Nav | typo | 17:16 |
| Morpog_PC | maybe you used unenecrypted login and your provider disabled that now | 17:17 |
| Morpog_PC | 993 / 465 here | 17:17 |
| Morpog_PC | SSL | 17:17 |
| Anz_ | so, as the android multitasking icon is gone with latest SailfishOS update, how to exit (not just close) the apps.. or its taken care of already? | 17:18 |
| bennypr0fane | Is there a way to automatically save all my settings into a text file, so i can send it to the provider and have them check it? | 17:18 |
| bennypr0fane | Anz, swipe in from the side? | 17:18 |
| Morpog_PC | Anz_, I guess it's taken care of | 17:18 |
| bennypr0fane | or that not what you mean? | 17:19 |
| Nav | Anz_: swipe down to close, swipe to the side to switch | 17:19 |
| Morpog_PC | else those apps would restart faster? | 17:19 |
| Morpog_PC | bennypr0fane, err, it's like 4 settings to write down you lazy fool :D | 17:20 |
| Morpog_PC | does your provider have a faq page? | 17:20 |
| Morpog_PC | tell us the link and we can tell you what to enter | 17:20 |
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| bennypr0fane | sry my connection dropped. I miss anything? | 17:26 |
| Morpog_PC | <Morpog_PC> bennypr0fane, err, it's like 4 settings to write down you lazy fool :D | 17:27 |
| Morpog_PC | <Morpog_PC> does your provider have a faq page? | 17:27 |
| Morpog_PC | <Morpog_PC> tell us the link and we can tell you what to enter | 17:27 |
| bennypr0fane | Morpog_PC: I psoted it above | 17:27 |
| Morpog_PC | i c | 17:28 |
| bennypr0fane | uhm I mean: server: I posted it above | 17:28 |
| Morpog_PC | ok everything tehre to know | 17:28 |
| Morpog_PC | shall i tell you? | 17:29 |
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| bennypr0fane | point is I have entered what it says there. I was thinking maybe there are some sort of hidden defaults that the user never gets asked about but that make problems for this specific connection. that's what i meant with exporting the settings maybe that stuff would become visible there | 17:30 |
| Morpog_PC | have you chossen the right encryption | 17:30 |
| Morpog_PC | ? | 17:30 |
| bennypr0fane | SSL | 17:30 |
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| Morpog_PC | server for ingoing emails = mail.messagingengine.com with port 993 and ssl | 17:31 |
| Morpog_PC | outgoing mail.messagingengine.com port 995 and ssl | 17:31 |
| Morpog_PC | err wrong sorry | 17:32 |
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| Morpog_PC | outgoing mail.messagingengine.com port 465 and ssl | 17:32 |
| bennypr0fane | why 995? | 17:32 |
| bennypr0fane | ok | 17:32 |
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| Morpog_PC | and authentification should be set to password | 17:33 |
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| bennypr0fane | check and check. exactly what I had all along. for outgoing server authentication, Jolla gives 3 options: none, password, encrypted password. fastmail.fm docs says "plain" so that translates to "password" on Jolla, yes? | 17:33 |
| Morpog_PC | username and password should be added | 17:33 |
| Morpog_PC | yes | 17:34 |
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| XenoPL | does removal of display brightness from main settings screen was on a purpose or just my phone is playing tricks on me? | 17:34 |
| Morpog_PC | try to enable "accept not trustworty certificates" | 17:34 |
| bennypr0fane | is already enabled | 17:35 |
| Morpog_PC | try without :D | 17:35 |
| Morpog_PC | XenoPL, it's your device | 17:35 |
| Morpog_PC | bennypr0fane, what the error ,essage you get? | 17:35 |
| XenoPL | damn, it seems factory reset time | 17:36 |
| XenoPL | :/ | 17:36 |
| bennypr0fane | Morpog_PC: "login failed" | 17:36 |
| Morpog_PC | username should be your email adress | 17:36 |
| Morpog_PC | XenoPL, you could try to update again, but this time from terminal | 17:37 |
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| XenoPL | yok, i'll try, is there some kind of cache for visuals in home dir? maybe something got corrupted there | 17:38 |
| Morpog_PC | sounds more like a corrupted qml file | 17:39 |
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| kimmoli | xfade_: ping. got id's for you | 17:45 |
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| bennypr0fane | what's this? I'm looking at a black screen on the Jolla that only says: "enter username" "enter password" "cancel" and "accept". I don't even knwo which app this is. Has anyone ever seen such a thing? THis came up after re-entering the e-mail user name and hitting "save" | 17:48 |
| bennypr0fane | If this was windows, I'd say it looks like a pop-up with a phishing attack | 17:49 |
| cb400f | can you minimize it? | 17:49 |
| bennypr0fane | Maybe it's the Jolla account? for some reason, I have three Jolla accounts listed. | 17:50 |
| cb400f | (i.e. swipe from the side) | 17:50 |
| bennypr0fane | cb400f: yes. the cover is exactly what I see in the app window | 17:50 |
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| bennypr0fane | I thought I shouldn't worry about the triple Jolla account since everything but this is normal, but maybe it is what's causing the e-mail problem...? | 17:51 |
| bennypr0fane | can someone recommend a system monitor app for checking what processes are running? | 17:52 |
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| cb400f | lighthouse or crest are fine for me | 17:53 |
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| cb400f | and of course there's a bunch of command line ones already there ;-) | 17:53 |
| bennypr0fane | ha, there's one process called jolla-signon-ui! | 17:53 |
| bennypr0fane | would you enter your jolla credentials in this case? no way this is malware, right? | 17:54 |
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| kimmoli_sailing | kill all those jolla accounts if u had many, and signin with fresh? multiples arent good anyways | 17:56 |
| TemeV | I seem to have jolla-signon-ui process also running, so i guess it's normal | 17:57 |
| bennypr0fane | anyone else have that process running? | 17:58 |
| kimmoli | yep, running | 17:59 |
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| bennypr0fane | again. this funny black screen after changing my e-mail settings. shuold I try entering my e-mail credentials? | 18:03 |
| bennypr0fane | nothing. giving up :-| | 18:06 |
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| attah | noooo, my patch didn't make it now either | 18:07 |
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| MoritzJT | Hey, anyone using friends app? | 18:09 |
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| cb400f | it's one of the top apps, so I guess a lot of people are :-) | 18:15 |
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| AJAX555 | friends app.. I have it installed.. but I dont really use it | 18:23 |
| MoritzJT | Does the newsfeed work for you, as I only get an access denied error. | 18:24 |
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| cb400f | workz for me | 18:25 |
| cb400f | I'm using the "official" version from harbour | 18:26 |
| MoritzJT | Hmm | 18:26 |
| cb400f | maybe check your network and your credentials | 18:26 |
| MoritzJT | The rest works inside the app | 18:28 |
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| entil | [BUG] device lock code query has inconsistent colors | 19:08 |
| entil | was that something that was fixed? because now it's mostly white for me, which looks surprisingly crappy :/ | 19:08 |
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| pdanek1 | Hey folks, | 19:14 |
| pdanek1 | Do you know how big is the new update please? | 19:14 |
| pdanek1 | I'm on limited mobile net, so worth to know. | 19:14 |
| tigeli | pdanek1: 440M | 19:14 |
| pdanek1 | ouch | 19:14 |
| pdanek1 | A LOT! | 19:15 |
| pdanek1 | I'll wait then. :) | 19:15 |
| cb400f | I was so eager to install it I forgot to switch to wlan :-| | 19:15 |
| cb400f | if I use more than 1 gig per month my speed gets throttled | 19:16 |
| pdanek1 | But it's huge. | 19:16 |
| pdanek1 | 440M. | 19:16 |
| tigeli | many core packages got updates which means -> rebuilt packages | 19:16 |
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| pdanek1 | Right. | 19:17 |
| pdanek1 | Long live Palmpilot times... | 19:17 |
| pdanek1 | :D | 19:17 |
| entil | argh, a lot of coloring has gone white that wasn't white previously | 19:18 |
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| cb400f | that should be good for outdoor/sunlight use :-) | 19:18 |
| entil | maybe I'll have to ask during the day tomorrow whether or not this was intended but it mainly sucks | 19:19 |
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| cb400f | but the lock screen looks a bit funny with two different colours of text | 19:19 |
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| entil | maybe, but I had a really cool ambience and now that the colors aren't apparently taken from the picture/ambience anymore so ... shit | 19:19 |
| entil | cb400f: oh, you got it white too, so it's not a bug on my phone? | 19:19 |
| entil | because ambiences did change once before, but then it was for the better iirc | 19:19 |
| cb400f | I've only noticed it on the unlock screen so far | 19:20 |
| entil | the browser too | 19:20 |
| cb400f | yeah, but in turn that has ambience matching background on the "toolbar" | 19:20 |
| cb400f | so that doesn't look weird to me | 19:21 |
| entil | on the background yes, but not on the foreground anymore | 19:21 |
| entil | what's your color there? | 19:21 |
| cb400f | white now | 19:21 |
| entil | http://imgur.com/a/Ag4U3 muh screenshots, those are the colors I'm on | 19:21 |
| cb400f | I thought it was white on green before too.. might have been black on green | 19:21 |
| entil | for text content white doesn't look awful, but I think it's strange to see it on the browser toolbar etc | 19:22 |
| entil | when I'm used to have those kinds of tones there | 19:22 |
| cb400f | I've been having severe problems with daylight/outdoor usage, so I'm happy to have more contrast :-) | 19:23 |
| entil | some of the whites look brighter too | 19:23 |
| cb400f | but it needs to be consistent.. and the unlock screen isn't for me (number pad is white, but the typed stuff is green) | 19:23 |
| entil | why not just have the camera detect luminance and adjust contrast accordingly ;P | 19:23 |
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| entil | I actually think it autoadjusts even now | 19:24 |
| entil | but it could do that with colors as well | 19:24 |
| cb400f | at least brightness is autoadjusted when enabled.. dunno about contrast | 19:24 |
| entil | I guess it sucks to complain about this when there are vastly larger problems | 19:25 |
| entil | android apps rendered as black screens when I tried running two and swiping to the home screen | 19:25 |
| entil | and app folders are still "broken", or broken in the ux sense that they don't really swipe | 19:25 |
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| entil | https://together.jolla.com/question/49352/feature-request-swipe-left-action-to-exit-folder/ | 19:31 |
| entil | some wonderful person had already made a request, please vote for it :) | 19:32 |
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| entil | https://together.jolla.com/question/50617/feature-request-pull-down-menu-for-app-folders/ | 19:41 |
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| cb400f | swiping from the side and bottom does what you'd expect... maybe you'd expect to be able to close the folder by swiping from the top, dunno... never crossed my mind before | 19:47 |
| cb400f | swiping from the top in a folder does the same as swiping from the top in the launcher itself... so not really counterintuitive | 19:47 |
| cb400f | i.e. locking the screen | 19:48 |
| pvuorela_ | cb400f: on lockscreen, numpad white and colored text is commonly used elsewhere. dialer is like that and normal virtual keyboard + text field. | 19:49 |
| cb400f | maybe there should be a pulley menu option for setting the icon... I didn't realize the icon was configurable until after a few days, when I stumbled upon a youtube video :-) | 19:49 |
| pvuorela_ | plus now with white numpad, it's actually usable outside. | 19:49 |
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| cb400f | yep, overall I'm pleased with the new colouring... just looks a bit strange to me with different colours of text.. but that's an extremely minor purely cosmetic issue | 19:50 |
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| entil | wonder how hard swiping can be then, because I've like never screwed up swiping within apps but with folders there's no guarantee the UI goes back | 19:55 |
| entil | like maybe every other time it does? so that's why I figured it reacts only when it interprets it as a tap | 19:55 |
| entil | but the pull-down menu for app folders would be more important | 19:56 |
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| cb400f | there's no swiping inside the folder, what should that do? | 19:58 |
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| entil | go out of the folder | 19:58 |
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| cb400f | to do that you swipe from the side | 19:59 |
| cb400f | like you minimize an app | 19:59 |
| entil | thanks, I never picked up on that. to me it always felt more app-like | 19:59 |
| entil | that the main screen is like the previous screen on the stack for a folder | 19:59 |
| entil | (I know I'm not the only one who's had this) | 19:59 |
| entil | so that's why I'd prefer to swipe inside the screen... because tapping isn't used anywhere else like this anyway | 20:00 |
| cb400f | what apps can you swipe inside to make them go away? ... afaict swiping inside an app is only relevant when there are multiple "pages" | 20:00 |
| cb400f | indicated by the little dots top left | 20:01 |
| entil | maybe I'm not conveying this... the main screen feels like the previous screen on the stack for a folder | 20:01 |
| entil | even though it doesn't have the dots | 20:01 |
| entil | like the brain goes "ok, got into this folder, gonna go back now, leftswipe... wtf" | 20:01 |
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| entil | "tap? really?" | 20:02 |
| Nicd- | you can also just tap on any empty space to go back in app grid | 20:02 |
| entil | and the gesture for minimizing an app really does not apply, though it works | 20:02 |
| entil | Nicd-: yes, but that's hardly the point, is it? ;) | 20:02 |
| Nicd- | I think it's logical since it's an overlay | 20:02 |
| cb400f | guess that makes some sense.. I was already used to the folder behaving like this on the N9, so maybe I'm just indoctrinated | 20:02 |
| Nicd- | but pushing to the side would be logical too | 20:02 |
| entil | I never really used the n9 :/ | 20:02 |
| entil | didn't know there was legacy behind this | 20:03 |
| entil | if the jolla engineers are really into having this as an overlay, that might also explain why there's no menu - but it's not really nice how the name gets edited, it just doesn't work like anything else on the phone | 20:03 |
| entil | taking some app-like properties into it would make it more intuitive | 20:04 |
| entil | notifications are an overlay too ;P | 20:04 |
| cb400f | judging by the android and iphone people frantically scrolling through tons and tons of apps, I think only a small minority of users bother with organizing stuff in folders though ;-) | 20:05 |
| * cb400f luvs his folders long time | 20:05 | |
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| pdanek | Your best in Flappy Bird on Jolla? | 20:29 |
| * cb400f never even got through the second hole | 20:30 | |
| ln- | 7 | 20:31 |
| pdanek | I can't get pass 39, always like 36, 2x 37, or even 39 2nd time | 20:32 |
| pdanek | I hate the game already. | 20:32 |
| pdanek | :D | 20:32 |
| ln- | how do you even get past 7? | 20:32 |
| pdanek | tap tap tap | 20:33 |
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| chem|st | AL13N_work: phone is lost, aka FedEx lost the package | 20:34 |
| XenoPL | once you practice in Saily Fish, FlappyB is easy | 20:34 |
| chem|st | anyone an idea what to do, no one knows what a real first one will become worth in the future... | 20:34 |
| AL13N | chem|st: bastards | 20:35 |
| pdanek | yea, Saily Fish is so hard | 20:35 |
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| AL13N | chem|st: well, i would: contact care to send you a new device including first one TOH, and have them bill fedex for all the costs | 20:36 |
| AL13N | on top of that, ask if care can watch out for someone registering with your old IMEI/toh id | 20:37 |
| AL13N | and sue that person | 20:38 |
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| AL13N | (and notify their company if it's a theft) | 20:38 |
| pdanek | XenoPL: how much in Saily Fish? | 20:38 |
| AL13N | anyway, ... need sleep | 20:39 |
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| XenoPL | iirc 9 and FBird 24 | 20:54 |
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| pdanek | Have you all seen the new indestructible screen for iPhone 6? | 21:09 |
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| stephg | pdanek1: again? always with the new screen... ;) | 21:35 |
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| pdanek1 | stephg: now they have finally made it! | 21:36 |
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| yac | does Jolla use ConnMan ? | 22:03 |
| yac | I see someone with jolla email address in authors so I wonder where can I verify this | 22:04 |
| tbr | yes | 22:04 |
| yac | tbr: can you point me to a git repo or docs or something? | 22:05 |
| tbr | AFAIU most things are very close to upstream. Most likely it's in the mer related github or on mer gitlab | 22:06 |
| yac | oh, got it in a lwn article | 22:07 |
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| tbr | if you're looking for upstream, that's on 01.org | 22:08 |
| special | https://github.com/mer-packages/connman | 22:09 |
| yac | great, thanks | 22:12 |
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| stephg | so random question, is anyone's cutespotify working since u8? ← audio I mean | 22:30 |
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| Elleo | stephg: you need to update to this version: https://openrepos.net/content/lukedirtwalker/cutespotify | 22:34 |
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| stephg | more polkit? | 22:34 |
| stephg | either way thx Elleo :) | 22:35 |
| Elleo | stephg: qaudiooutput is properly integrated with resource handling in the latest sailfish image, but that means the manual resource management cutespotify used to do doesn't work anymore | 22:36 |
| stephg | aaah | 22:36 |
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| stephg | cool, well good work on the very quick fix (assuming (and hoping!) that you're also lukedirtwalker ;) ) | 22:37 |
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| Elleo | stephg: I'm not, luke's taken over development recently because I don't have time for it | 22:38 |
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| stephg | ah. sorry to hear that but thankyou muchly regardless for a fine app | 22:39 |
| Elleo | glad you enjoy it :) | 22:40 |
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| stephg | I do, and I think it's important to credit people for their work, so thanks again :) | 22:42 |
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