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| tango_ | hm so if I rotate the phone after opening the document viewer, it doesn't rescale, but if I try to zoom it snaps instantly to re-fit the new screen and then just pinch-zooms regularly | 07:03 |
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| kimmoli | xfade_: ping | 10:24 |
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| narchie | message for optima service: | 10:52 |
| narchie | pls return my jolla | 10:52 |
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| slate | Whats the service % for Jolla? | 11:18 |
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| teve | slate: verkkokauppa.com jolla service: 3.11%, returned: 1.30% | 12:05 |
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| Morpog_PC | update is out! | 14:47 |
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| Bysmyyr | :) | 14:48 |
| ggabriel | \o/ | 14:48 |
| ggabriel | does it work? | 14:48 |
| Morpog_PC | I just tweeted about and the answer was the update being released :D | 14:49 |
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| Morpog_PC | <) cybette or jukka ;) | 14:49 |
| xfade_ | It does work for me at least ;) | 14:50 |
| Morpog_PC | it downloads slowly | 14:50 |
| Bysmyyr | End date for recurring \o/ | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | is there a release note somewhere? | 14:51 |
| kimmoli | https://together.jolla.com/question/50175/release-notes-software-version-10819-tahkalampi/ | 14:51 |
| ggabriel | ta | 14:51 |
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| Morpog_PC | and i was just planning to do a little sleep :) | 14:51 |
| xfade_ | Morpog_PC: did you spot the download size on top of the release notes? :) | 14:51 |
| Morpog_PC | xfade_, nope | 14:52 |
| locusf | nice touch | 14:52 |
| locusf | someone please note the lipstick version number plz :) | 14:53 |
| Morpog_PC | 440mb, wow | 14:53 |
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| xfade_ | locusf: 0.24.1.1-1.30.3 | 14:53 |
| locusf | xfade_: on the newest one? | 14:53 |
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| xfade_ | SailfishOS 1.0.8.19 (Tahkalampi) (armv7hl) | 14:54 |
| locusf | xfade_: okay thanks | 14:54 |
| locusf | means I don't have to change glacier-home yet | 14:54 |
| xfade_ | locusf: that is lipstick-qt5 at least | 14:54 |
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| * gexc downloading update :D | 14:55 | |
| locusf | yup upstream is 0.25.1 already | 14:55 |
| stephg | oooooh update :) | 14:55 |
| stephg | and another pretty picture too | 14:55 |
| artemma | update? | 14:55 |
| sledges | update! | 14:56 |
| stephg | update! | 14:56 |
| ggabriel | and now no more update until september, right? | 14:57 |
| Bysmyyr | tjc is lagging? | 14:57 |
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| xfade_ | ggabriel: Well, that is just 1.5-ish months from now ;) | 14:58 |
| kimmoli | xfade_: ping - heard that i should talk to you about getting my rpm tied to toh id's for automatic download/install. | 14:59 |
| * artemma checked for the firmware update. 1.0.7 still seems to be latest | 15:00 | |
| Morpog_PC | artemma, no first one? | 15:00 |
| stephg | oooh update email! | 15:00 |
| artemma | Morpog_PC: nope, #Iamthesceondone :) | 15:00 |
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| Morpog_PC | first ones always get updated a few hours early | 15:01 |
| kimmoli | -- Initial wave for #TheFirstOne's, and shortly to all. | 15:01 |
| artemma | but that's actually good, I anyway prefer updates to be tested on somebody else, at least for few hours | 15:01 |
| ggabriel | xfade_: true, maybe october then | 15:01 |
| artemma | so 1.0.8 is coming out now? Cool to hear | 15:01 |
| Morpog_PC | artemma, I like living at the bleeding edge ;) | 15:01 |
| artemma | I guess it's pretty much net fix only | 15:01 |
| Morpog_PC | artemma, https://together.jolla.com/question/50175/release-notes-software-version-10819-tahkalampi/ | 15:02 |
| xfade_ | kimmoli: Yes, I can do that for you. | 15:02 |
| ggabriel | my wlan access is about 7 hours away so i'll have to wait anyway :) | 15:02 |
| artemma | well.. I am afraid of that I am less excited by Jolla now, so not watching for changes carefully | 15:02 |
| artemma | too unstable and hard-working for my user tases | 15:02 |
| artemma | and too limiting on the store from for my developer side | 15:02 |
| Morpog_PC | artemma, well that what those updates are worth for :D | 15:02 |
| artemma | Well, good to have updates anyway :) | 15:03 |
| artemma | I guess I get back to active jolla development when there's either monetization or sales numbers or at least download/usage counters in the harbour | 15:03 |
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| Morpog_PC | there are download counters | 15:04 |
| * artemma needs some carrot in front of his nose to rise in some chart to be motivate | 15:04 | |
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| kimmoli | xfade_: is there prerequisities for that, as this is not an ambience. Can we make some pre-testing, if i give you the rpm and single toh-id? (not ready right now, but later/tomorrow) | 15:04 |
| artemma | Morpog_PC: not if you get to 1K+ downloads :) | 15:04 |
| artemma | then it's just 1K, 5K and 10K | 15:04 |
| Aard | artemma: do less popular apps only? :p | 15:04 |
| Morpog_PC | artemma, well, you ned to reach 10000+ | 15:04 |
| artemma | nothing to refresh for and get a feedback kick :) | 15:04 |
| artemma | Morpog_PC: I do :) | 15:05 |
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| artemma | didn't check lately though | 15:05 |
| artemma | I think one of my apps was 10K+ and 1-2 were 5K | 15:05 |
| artemma | Anyway, cool to have updates | 15:05 |
| tigeli | ggabriel: you must be in the middle of nowhere if there's no single wlan available within 7 hours ;) | 15:06 |
| artemma | if multitasking improved at least a bit, it may delay my slip to Android as to a main daily phone :) | 15:06 |
| ggabriel | tigeli: nah, i just don't trust anything and want to use my home one | 15:07 |
| xfade_ | kimmoli: yeah, we can experiment with one. Although TOHs rely on ambience flow atm, so the experience might not be very nice. | 15:07 |
| xfade_ | kimmoli: but let's just test it out ;) | 15:07 |
| Morpog_PC | so, is the connectity stack improved compared to the hotfix or same version? | 15:08 |
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| Aard | Morpog_PC: slightly improved | 15:08 |
| Morpog_PC | that sounds good | 15:08 |
| Aard | almost same version, but some bugs fixed | 15:08 |
| Morpog_PC | it was already pretty bug less | 15:09 |
| kimmoli | xfade_: ok, great. | 15:09 |
| artemma | oh, so network fi is included | 15:09 |
| artemma | great | 15:09 |
| * artemma has hopes it solves most of freezes as they seem to come mostly from connection switch, contactsd and mitakuuluu daemon (also on network switch?) | 15:10 | |
| Morpog_PC | - Displays OS update size before downloading the update | 15:10 |
| Morpog_PC | :D | 15:10 |
| Sail0r | hm no fix for the caldav issues | 15:12 |
| Aard | Sail0r: link? | 15:12 |
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| Sail0r | https://together.jolla.com/question/45424/caldav-synced-all-day-events-not-visible/#comment-49871 | 15:12 |
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| artemma | looking at description seems to be a good fix update. With the most important fix being a network improvement sure (I didn't find it in the list, but I guess it's somewhere in) | 15:15 |
| artemma | nothing abt performance improvements (what buggs me most after net issues), but net fix and HTML viewer update (less memory needed?) might help performance too | 15:16 |
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| Morpog_PC | artemma, I guess performance updates comes with update 9 and qt 5.2 | 15:17 |
| Aard | artemma: we'll be moving to qt5.2 with the next update. doesn't make too much sense for this update to spend too much time on performance tuning | 15:17 |
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| artemma | sure, guys, just checking the update notes | 15:17 |
| artemma | not sure if 5.2 helps my update pains though :) | 15:18 |
| TMavica | dling | 15:18 |
| artemma | as my pains seem to be strongly connected to a number of apps running (memory usage issue?) | 15:18 |
| Nightmare__ | https://together.jolla.com/question/40076/bug-whole-day-event-shows-on-next-day-outlookcom-exchange-active-sync/ | 15:18 |
| artemma | and to the browser performance | 15:18 |
| Morpog_PC | new tutorial app is great btw | 15:18 |
| ggabriel | artemma: how many applications do you normally run, out of curiosity? | 15:19 |
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| artemma | ggabriel: usually I have to kill apps already at 6-10 apps | 15:19 |
| ggabriel | artemma: that includes alien dalvik, right? | 15:20 |
| artemma | usually it's specific type of apps that gets things slow. Anything Android + anything using web rendering (e.g. email) means slow | 15:20 |
| artemma | and by slow I mean that I can hardly use gestures to get to task manager | 15:20 |
| artemma | it's not the app slowness that's bad, it's system UI | 15:20 |
| ggabriel | must be an android thing then, but i do notice that maps gets killed with so many applications | 15:20 |
| artemma | it is not Android-specific | 15:21 |
| artemma | I have freezes without android too | 15:21 |
| Morpog_PC | stefano is my friend, at least the tutorial apps tells me taht :D | 15:21 |
| * gexc finds the downloading stuck :-/ | 15:21 | |
| ggabriel | i guess i mean i never experienced that and i'm not using android yet | 15:21 |
| ggabriel | artemma: but do you kill the android service when you're not using android? | 15:21 |
| artemma | mitakuuluu daemon contributes often as it seems to eat lots of CPU sometimes. And contacsd too | 15:21 |
| artemma | ggabriel: yes, I have slowness with ead service too *using killdroid) | 15:21 |
| ggabriel | artemma: interesting. i agree with html viewer as well, and browser using a different engine than mail doesn't help :) | 15:22 |
| artemma | your advices help, killing android helps a little, restoring device as zzste suggested also helped | 15:22 |
| artemma | still, anything big HTMLish and jolla UI is dead | 15:22 |
| Aard | artemma: contactsd is a known bastard, it should behave a bit better with this update already | 15:22 |
| ggabriel | yeah, doesn't help that some websites don't want to show their mobile ui | 15:22 |
| Aard | artemma: problem there is network issues in connection with contactsd | 15:23 |
| * artemma hopes at some point jolla's understanding of "real multitasking" aligns with his | 15:23 | |
| ggabriel | i do find myself closing tabs/applications | 15:23 |
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| ggabriel | but i'm not as hardcore as artemma :) | 15:23 |
| artemma | Aard: yeah, I remember: - Dad, show me what's multitaking in Windows. - Sure, wait a second until diskette formatting is over, son :) | 15:23 |
| xfade_ | You also need to realize that multitasking isn't free. There is only so much cpu and memory to share. | 15:24 |
| * artemma hoped that keeping system UI unfrozen is a solved issue since Mac OS X 9 and even Windows XP o the extent | 15:24 | |
| ggabriel | hehe, i actually showed what multitasking was in windows 3.11 to a friend's dad :) | 15:24 |
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| artemma | well, I've heard a magical cgroups update is going to finally isolate processes for real | 15:25 |
| Aard | artemma: to most people it does not happen, or only happens very rarely | 15:25 |
| artemma | until then I guess we only have to suffer and praise real multitasking when one badly written app or daemon puts whole system to knees | 15:25 |
| ggabriel | fwiw, ui hanging on linux is an issue regardless of cgroups | 15:26 |
| ggabriel | but android suffers that, and so does ios, and they don't multitask so *shrug* | 15:26 |
| Nicd- | update installed :) | 15:26 |
| artemma | Aard: I strongly suspect that my tolerance to slowness is way less than one of average jolla user | 15:26 |
| artemma | professional deformation I guess :) | 15:26 |
| Nicd- | the terminal now shows the os version when you open fingerterm | 15:26 |
| artemma | As I do use different mobile OSes and devices as primary phone for many months | 15:27 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: is it the new fingerterm? (silica) | 15:27 |
| Nicd- | ggabriel: ? | 15:27 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: can you open the menu with a swipe? :) | 15:27 |
| Nicd- | about says 1.0.3 | 15:27 |
| ggabriel | ah, no, same | 15:28 |
| stephg | ggabriel: no | 15:28 |
| ggabriel | i guess i'll have to install it myself | 15:28 |
| * artemma finds it interesting to see how iOS and BB10 cleverly make it look like apps are fast, Android throws CPU/mem power at this problem while jolla finds idologically wrong to do first and no power to do 2nd :) | 15:28 | |
| Nicd- | my uptime record is now 20d 11h | 15:29 |
| ggabriel | artemma: ios is laggy at best unless you have the latest kit | 15:29 |
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| ggabriel | (my experience at least...) | 15:29 |
| stephg | Nicd-: you have a dilemma ;) | 15:29 |
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| artemma | it doesn't look laggy, it pretends being fast well | 15:29 |
| artemma | and focuses on primary app always | 15:29 |
| ggabriel | artemma: not if you're fast enough ;) | 15:29 |
| Nicd- | stephg: I updated already :P | 15:30 |
| ggabriel | artemma: basically i opened a bunch of applications under ios and tried to interact, nothing happened due to the hack they applied | 15:30 |
| ggabriel | i call that laggy, but it may have another name | 15:30 |
| ggabriel | jobby? :P | 15:30 |
| artemma | and as they say Apple focuses on experiences. Such as listening to music, you know. iPhone is able to play music no matter what. Jolla is sometimes shuttering even in a built-in player | 15:30 |
| Nicd- | my ipod touch with ios 5 is laggy as hell | 15:30 |
| ggabriel | artemma: ok, never happened to me, and i often play flac files which are huge | 15:30 |
| Nicd- | but the music never skips, true | 15:31 |
| artemma | I play 320mbps mp3s | 15:31 |
| ggabriel | maybe you need more cpu for those | 15:31 |
| Nicd- | you mean kbps :D | 15:31 |
| ggabriel | rather than io speed | 15:31 |
| artemma | not big suttering, not really annoying , but still - obsiously it wasn't an OS design focus then | 15:31 |
| artemma | yeash, kbps | 15:31 |
| ggabriel | work in progress i guess :) | 15:31 |
| ggabriel | i have to say that the music player nevre stuttered even when meerun was struggling | 15:32 |
| * gexc finds the download rate is around 20KB/s :-O | 15:32 | |
| artemma | precisely. That's exactly what I find interesting to observe (not really annoying, more expected and interesting): to watch which use cases or features different OS designers considered primary and which not | 15:32 |
| tigeli | artemma: I can make iphone to stutter ;) | 15:32 |
| ggabriel | artemma: yup | 15:33 |
| artemma | tigeli: okay, my argument isn't worth much without statistics then :) | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | artemma: i'll try 320kbps mp3's next time ;) | 15:33 |
| artemma | e.g. in iOS you can clearly see how Steve was cutting out fingers from designers who tried doing inconsistent apps (except for iBooks for some reason) | 15:34 |
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| artemma | Jolla and consitency.. oh, even swipe to task manager doesn't work in all screens | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | uhm... ios is rather inconsistent | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | not as much as android, but inconsistent nonetheless | 15:35 |
| artemma | but jolla does let you run a web server if you like. And I guess with some performance tunings if you like even | 15:35 |
| ggabriel | not sure what you mean by "swipe to task manager doesn't work in all screens" | 15:35 |
| ggabriel | oh, e.g., from home screen | 15:37 |
| ggabriel | fair enough | 15:37 |
| ggabriel | would'nt call that inconsistent tho | 15:37 |
| Bysmyyr | ggabriel: program can disable border swipes | 15:37 |
| ggabriel | Bysmyyr: yeah, but they tell you about it, like puzzle master | 15:38 |
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| ggabriel | in general, you shouldn't do that though | 15:38 |
| artemma | ggabriel: tell me where the most important pulley item is to be: in the bottom or on top? :) | 15:38 |
| ggabriel | artemma: depends | 15:38 |
| artemma | what is the sailfish way to change tabs? | 15:38 |
| artemma | or should you use tabs? | 15:38 |
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| ggabriel | i haven't got answers for the browser | 15:38 |
| ggabriel | the pulley depends on the application and what you're doing | 15:39 |
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| artemma | or maybe you noticed that same gesture in the same app and nearly same view sometimes moves you Back and sometimes changes next-prev items and sometimes changes tabs? | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | erm... no, have you got an example for that? | 15:39 |
| ggabriel | i do use top/bottom pulley menus a lot in tidings | 15:40 |
| artemma | or that sometimes even in system Settings saving changes is stiping to the left (accepting rigth action) and sometimes it's going Back | 15:40 |
| ggabriel | and the most important thing depends whether you want to go backwards or forwards | 15:40 |
| ggabriel | that isn't inconsistent to me (settings) | 15:40 |
| ggabriel | for some things you need to accept (language), for others it's just a switch (network preference) | 15:41 |
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| ggabriel | you don't go back, you just tap and that's it | 15:41 |
| ggabriel | you go back if you want to go elsewhere | 15:41 |
| artemma | ggabriel: have look no further than Gallery and what Back gesture means at different places: next-prev image, going actually Back | 15:41 |
| artemma | Tweetian is a good example as well | 15:41 |
| ggabriel | yeah, gallery was confusing at first | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | ...but now a lot better than the competition's for some reason | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | i guess you can't take gestures independently | 15:42 |
| artemma | oh, so you somehow think that some settings are naturally to be exactly accepted and some are "just a switch".. I guess we have very different urge for unification then :) | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | artemma: yeah, i expect people to be different | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | your concernes are well taken tho | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | concerns even | 15:43 |
| artemma | well, it's work in progress indeed. I'd expect a lot of this to happen in a prototyping phase. Would be cool see a full completed device at some point :) | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | yup, agree with that | 15:43 |
| artemma | but then again jolla is a startup | 15:44 |
| artemma | maybe I am too hard to it lookign for the things mature manufaturers have | 15:44 |
| artemma | after all one of the possible biz directions for Jolla could be to be soled to e.g. HTC with lots of money thrown into finalization then | 15:45 |
| ggabriel | like i said, i don't think ios is consistent at all ;) | 15:45 |
| ggabriel | let alone android.... | 15:45 |
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| ggabriel | i'm getting rid of mine as soon as i can and going back to ios | 15:45 |
| ggabriel | anyway, gotta go | 15:45 |
| Aard | artemma: I don't think that kind of corporate influence would be healthy (so the money would be useful) | 15:45 |
| artemma | ggabriel: there are levels and levels on inconsistency. it;s hard to get confused by the iOS top bar actions. They are always in same place and act identically | 15:45 |
| artemma | Aard: to me startup is a company searching for a biz model. Then 1st jolla device is pretty good proof of concept that can be convincing enough to pump money in | 15:46 |
| artemma | money might come as investment or buy out of the whole company. By smaller investors or a big player lookign for own platform | 15:47 |
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| artemma | but these are just my own thoughts certainly | 15:47 |
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| artemma | and Jolla might need connenctions even more than money actually. In the phone market it's nearly impossible to succeed w/out operator connections - they rule the market | 15:49 |
| artemma | that is unless some startup disrupts the whole biz model and suddenly e.g. downloadable/installable OS starts making sense | 15:49 |
| artemma | and well, wouldn't it be cool if HTC decided to make sailfish os one of it's main platforms | 15:52 |
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| Aard | it would be cool, but with us outside of htc, please | 15:54 |
| TMavica | openrepos not work? | 15:55 |
| coderus | TMavica: warehouse | 15:56 |
| coderus | not openrepos :D | 15:56 |
| coderus | openrepos is site :D | 15:56 |
| TMavica | yesyes.. | 15:56 |
| TMavica | so warehouse not work? | 15:56 |
| TMavica | lol | 15:56 |
| coderus | https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-July/004727.html | 15:56 |
| coderus | search for warehouse | 15:57 |
| Aard | I have no idea if they adjusted it to the changes. the warning came early enough to have it ready by now | 15:57 |
| coderus | Aard: no it's not :) | 15:57 |
| coderus | Custodian will update phone soon and update warehouse :) | 15:58 |
| coderus | probably this week | 15:58 |
| coderus | he is very busy | 15:58 |
| TMavica | got it | 15:58 |
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| cybette | Morpog_PC: it was me :) jukka is on vacation | 16:05 |
| coderus | new tutorial is gread, but ambience selection is not explained? | 16:06 |
| coderus | great* | 16:06 |
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| inte | when will the next jolla update be available for download? | 16:45 |
| Morpog_PC | september | 16:46 |
| inte | the tjc states it is available today | 16:46 |
| inte | oh | 16:46 |
| special | 1.0.8.19 is available today | 16:46 |
| inte | then i misinterpreted the news | 16:46 |
| inte | hu | 16:46 |
| inte | its not | 16:46 |
| inte | (not for me) | 16:46 |
| Morpog_PC | inte, well, I already installed the one from today :) | 16:46 |
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| TemeV | my Jolla looks so weird, because patches were disabled after update | 16:46 |
| special | it's available for the first ones at least, I'm not sure it's done the wider rollout yet | 16:46 |
| inte | i even switched to the firstone cover | 16:46 |
| inte | first time today i even put it on | 16:47 |
| Morpog_PC | inte, try a reboot | 16:47 |
| xfade_ | inte: that is the reason then.. | 16:47 |
| inte | no update though, jet | 16:47 |
| xfade_ | The list was updated last week | 16:47 |
| inte | ah mom | 16:47 |
| xfade_ | Better luck next round ;) | 16:47 |
| TemeV | inte: did you check updates manually? | 16:47 |
| inte | yes | 16:47 |
| * inte rebooting... | 16:47 | |
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| TemeV | for me update notification popped up when I opened store | 16:48 |
| inte | will bluetooth work for android apps? | 16:48 |
| inte | i presume not since it is not stated | 16:48 |
| inte | just asking... | 16:48 |
| inte | no update for me yet | 16:50 |
| inte | do i have to reboot with the firstone on? | 16:50 |
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| inte | xfade_: ah i see but now im on the list? since I downloaded the firstone additions from harbor? | 16:51 |
| xfade_ | inte: no, you won't get it this round. | 16:51 |
| TemeV | inte: no, it should not matter | 16:51 |
| inte | xfade_: yes I got that but next round? | 16:52 |
| Morpog_PC | inte, on next update you will be first ;) | 16:52 |
| xfade_ | I updated the list last week, so if you never used it before. | 16:52 |
| TemeV | I already got the update, and I'm not one of the first ones | 16:52 |
| inte | xfade_: yeah I understood | 16:52 |
| xfade_ | TemeV: also connman hotfix people got it. | 16:53 |
| inte | xfade_: just wanted to know if i'll get on the list when you update it the next time | 16:53 |
| TemeV | xfade_: ah, that explains. Cool :) | 16:53 |
| inte | if you update it again at all | 16:54 |
| inte | ... | 16:54 |
| xfade_ | inte: release will go out to everybody shortly, wont be too long anymore. | 16:55 |
| inte | jep but still - i also want on taht list :) | 16:55 |
| inte | just in case you will use it for other promotional stuff | 16:56 |
| inte | like preordering Jolla2 e.g. | 16:56 |
| xfade_ | Well, it doesn't work when it is still in the pouch ;) | 16:56 |
| inte | :) | 16:56 |
| inte | i put it on today and downloaded the firstone additions | 16:56 |
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| inte | already removed it and put it back in the pouch, though :) | 16:57 |
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| xfade_ | inte: reboot your phone and try again ;) | 16:58 |
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| * inte rebooting... | 16:59 | |
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| Morpog_PC | that low power mode is cool :D | 17:02 |
| Morpog_PC | almost feels like my n9 now | 17:02 |
| inte | xfade_: reboot with first one on? | 17:02 |
| Morpog_PC | inte, don't think so | 17:03 |
| Sail0r | low power mode? | 17:04 |
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| Morpog_PC | yep | 17:05 |
| Morpog_PC | but not with update 8 | 17:05 |
| Morpog_PC | you can enable it manually | 17:05 |
| Sail0r | ah via mcetool | 17:05 |
| Yaniel | soo.. do I dare to update right now? | 17:05 |
| Morpog_PC | yes Sail0r | 17:05 |
| Sail0r | i thought I have not seen it ;) | 17:05 |
| Morpog_PC | I wonder why it wasn't added into update 8 | 17:06 |
| Yaniel | as I'm at least two weeks away from my computers and a new microsd | 17:06 |
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| inte | xfade_: works!! Great thanks a lot!! I guess I went on the list now :) | 17:10 |
| inte | THATS customer friendly :) | 17:11 |
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| inte | Morpog_PC: what is low power moder and how do I enable it exactely? | 17:12 |
| inte | Currently updating so I cannot try it just yet | 17:13 |
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| Morpog_PC | inte, http://www.jollausers.com/2014/07/video-tutorial-want-lpm-on-jolla-heres-a-tutorial/ but beware, do that on your own risk | 17:13 |
| inte | but asap | 17:13 |
| Yaniel | how likely is stuff to break with this update? | 17:14 |
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| Stskeeps | everything is possible, it's just that after a few days you know what is broken and what's not.. :P | 17:14 |
| inte | Morpog_PC: thanks | 17:14 |
| Yaniel | Stskeeps: well | 17:14 |
| Morpog_PC | ahaha, a well said non answer :D | 17:15 |
| Yaniel | one des not simply boot the phone in recovery mode while in the army | 17:15 |
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| Stskeeps | Morpog_PC: i've had media training, it's like lying but then again not.. :P | 17:15 |
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| TemeV | Stskeeps: so you learned to speak a lot without saying anything? :) | 17:16 |
| Morpog_PC | must have been a management training :D | 17:17 |
| inte | Morpog_PC: does lpm drain the battery? | 17:17 |
| inte | since its not an amoled in the jolla? | 17:17 |
| Morpog_PC | inte, well I enabled it 15 minutes ago | 17:17 |
| TemeV | well, I guess those trainings could be combined. Goal in both is to produce meaningless sentenced that still sound good :) | 17:17 |
| Morpog_PC | inte, I guess a little bit | 17:18 |
| inte | hehe:) | 17:18 |
| inte | I'll see | 17:18 |
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| inte | Morpog_PC: its just that usually the display eats most of the battery | 17:18 |
| TemeV | Morpog_PC: does the screen stay on forever (or until battery runs out) if it is on table? | 17:18 |
| Morpog_PC | inte, it only gets activated for a few seconds, so not that much power hungry i guess | 17:18 |
| Morpog_PC | TemeV, no, watch the video :D | 17:19 |
| TemeV | too lazy for that :) | 17:19 |
| inte | Morpog_PC: ?? so if i have the phone lying on the table it wouldn show the watch? | 17:19 |
| Morpog_PC | yes | 17:19 |
| inte | i would still have to touch it? | 17:19 |
| inte | oh | 17:19 |
| Morpog_PC | double tap as always | 17:19 |
| Morpog_PC | it's just or sutuations like when taking out of pocket, just to check clock or notifications | 17:20 |
| inte | double tap brings up the lpm instead of the desktop then? | 17:20 |
| inte | whats the difference? | 17:20 |
| Morpog_PC | inte, no | 17:20 |
| inte | mmh | 17:20 |
| Morpog_PC | lpm is a minimalised lock screen | 17:20 |
| Morpog_PC | double tap lpm, get lockscreen | 17:20 |
| inte | ok | 17:20 |
| TemeV | is there written instructions somewhere? I hate it when people have to do video about everything | 17:20 |
| inte | a replacement for the normal lockscreen | 17:21 |
| TemeV | so unpractical | 17:21 |
| Morpog_PC | TemeV, read the whole article :D | 17:21 |
| Yaniel | inte: lpm shows when the phone is taken out of a pocket or so, lock screen not until doubletapping | 17:21 |
| inte | so i will have to tap four times to enable it | 17:21 |
| Morpog_PC | inte, no | 17:21 |
| TemeV | Morpog_PC: oh, thanks | 17:21 |
| Yaniel | the point of the lpm is that it shows immediately | 17:21 |
| inte | Yaniel: how does the phone realize it is taken out of the pocket then? | 17:21 |
| Yaniel | proximity sensor | 17:22 |
| inte | that sound cool again | 17:22 |
| Morpog_PC | it IS cool | 17:22 |
| Yaniel | Stskeeps: so, howlikely am I to run into problems if I update here and now? | 17:22 |
| Morpog_PC | when you got it on table you can also hover your hand over the proximity sensor to get it | 17:22 |
| Yaniel | and by problems I mean more or less a brick | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | Yaniel: don't know, it's been QAed | 17:23 |
| Morpog_PC | Yaniel, you got the same chances as if u were at home :D | 17:23 |
| Sail0r | lol | 17:24 |
| Yaniel | yeah but there I could at least 1. try recovery mode 2. send it for repairs and take my n8 as a spare | 17:24 |
| inte | Yaniel: sounds cool will try thanks!! | 17:24 |
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| Stskeeps | Yaniel: what was your care issue? | 17:26 |
| Yaniel | not sure if any yet | 17:26 |
| Yaniel | had a few sudden reboots recently | 17:26 |
| Yaniel | but that might be just random bugs | 17:26 |
| TemeV | does not work | 17:29 |
| Morpog_PC | lpm? | 17:29 |
| Yaniel | oh well | 17:29 |
| TemeV | "Use low power mode: enabled" but no glance screen | 17:29 |
| Morpog_PC | TemeV, lock screen and unlock and try again | 17:29 |
| Yaniel | if it really breaks I just can't use it for the next twoweeks | 17:29 |
| TemeV | now it works, it just took some time to get enabled I guess | 17:30 |
| Morpog_PC | Yaniel, well, if you really wnat to be 100000% sure, just wait 2 weeks | 17:30 |
| TemeV | this is so cool feature :) | 17:30 |
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| Morpog_PC | it's just 2 weeks and it's moostly bug fixes and not that much important features in update 8 | 17:30 |
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| TemeV | feeling like a jedi when I'm waving my hand over the phone to see the time :) | 17:38 |
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| jayki | hey does somebody here have a quick answer how to solve dd: writing to `/dev/mmcblk0p10': No space left on device in recovery factory reset? same with mmcblk0p11 .... | 17:38 |
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| jayki | hey does somebody here have a quick answer how to solve dd: writing to `/dev/mmcblk0p10': No space left on device in recovery factory reset? same with mmcblk0p11 .... | 17:44 |
| Morpog_PC | Stskeeps, maybe? | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | er... that shouldn't happen | 17:45 |
| jayki | would be nice :D because my phone won't boot anymore and i won'Ät send it to back to jolla before i tested everyathing | 17:45 |
| jayki | yes but that happend... but WHY? | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | i'm as baffled as you are | 17:46 |
| till | jayki what about https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | did you repartition or anything? | 17:46 |
| jayki | no i didn't do anything with the partitions i just used the phone as a normal people :D | 17:46 |
| jayki | it's the phone from my girlfriend so... | 17:47 |
| jayki | my phone is still fine but here's is hm.. | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | ok, when you do send it to care, mail me at carsten.munk@jolla.com when you get a zendesk id | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | that device sounds broken | 17:47 |
| jayki | i have a id | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | ok, mail me that | 17:48 |
| jayki | oh thats bad but what happens ther? | 17:48 |
| jayki | do you have some idea? | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | probably a full reflash, but i'd like to intercept it to get it looked at.. | 17:48 |
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| jayki | i just copied some files from nemo > my pc and ended in a boot loop, so i did a factory reset and after that nothings has worked | 17:48 |
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| jayki | *jolla :D | 17:59 |
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| clau2 | @jolla, very nice job with the latest update. thanks! | 18:27 |
| Turski | +1 | 18:29 |
| Turski | browser UI improvements are good | 18:30 |
| clau2 | one question, why is not the 5 minute interval allowed when setting custom intervals? | 18:30 |
| Morpog_PC | the whole new UI probably comes with update 9 i guess | 18:30 |
| clau2 | for emails, that is | 18:30 |
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| Morpog_PC | clau2, I guess to avoid people being upset about draining battery :D | 18:31 |
| clau2 | well, you have the 5 min outside of custom settings | 18:31 |
| clau2 | I would really like to set it to 5 min over the day, and say, 1h over the night | 18:31 |
| Morpog_PC | oh, ok, then it's strange | 18:31 |
| Morpog_PC | not sure who does that ui part, maybe w00t? | 18:32 |
| clau2 | I hope there's a hack to fix it, until an official fix is provided, because it's a really nice feature | 18:33 |
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| Sail0r | I hope a fix for the caldav events is released soon | 18:37 |
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| Morpog_PC | summer break... | 18:37 |
| Sail0r | :-/ | 18:38 |
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| Morpog_PC | now if we just could get rid of that last android button :D | 18:42 |
| Morpog_PC | he must feel lonely alone there | 18:42 |
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| flux | soo, I've lost one group in Jolla. as in, I have the apps installed (QuickLauncher can find them), but the group is gone. suggestions? | 18:48 |
| Morpog_PC | group? folder? | 18:48 |
| flux | yes | 18:48 |
| flux | it's not related to the latest upgrade, though I just did switch to it. it happenes some time ago. | 18:49 |
| Morpog_PC | hmmm maybe giucam or vesuri can help here, not sure who does the work, as it's a closed source part | 18:50 |
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| special | Morpog_PC: flux: it's not closed source. https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick/blob/master/src/components/launcherfoldermodel.cpp | 18:52 |
| Morpog_PC | ah, i thought it's part of lipstick-jolla-home | 18:52 |
| suosaask1 | I wonder if the Jolla launcher for Android would be worth a try... | 18:55 |
| flux | meh, still no way to lock gestures to not depend on accelerometer | 18:56 |
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| flux | promising this new sailfish | 19:06 |
| flux | crashes wayland in 30 minutes of upgrade :) | 19:06 |
| flux | I close the camera, screen goes blank, green led blinks in a busy fashion, back to normal startup screen (no reboot) | 19:07 |
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| Nicd- | might have not been wayland that crashed though | 19:07 |
| Morpog_PC | sounds more like lipstick | 19:08 |
| Morpog_PC | was it green blinking? | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | flux: O_o | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | flux: anything useful in journal? | 19:08 |
| Morpog_PC | it was, lol i should read better | 19:08 |
| flux | "no journal files found" | 19:08 |
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| flux | ..this is going to hinder bug finding :) | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | devel-su | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 19:09 |
| flux | ah, right. bug dmesg suggests firefox might be to blame somehow. | 19:10 |
| flux | [ 1212.359774] mozilla.firefox(7075) send signal 11 to mozilla.firefox(7075) | 19:10 |
| flux | [ 1213.712314] app_process(7184) send signal 3 to Signal Catcher(7184) | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | nah, that's okay ish | 19:10 |
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| flux | Jul 14 22:06:10 Jolla kernel: Jul 14 22:06:10 Jolla kernel: Pid: 1277, comm: QSGRenderThread | 19:11 |
| flux | I can put these logs somewhere if it's useful | 19:11 |
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| Stskeeps | that's probably more like it | 19:11 |
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| flux | man, jolla logs a lot | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but not to disk | 19:13 |
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| Scelt | Stskeeps: hey, can you tell me what Jolla's warranty policy thinks about funky other half qi wireless charging? will it break the warranty? | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | no, i'm not involved in that whatsoever | 19:14 |
| flux | how nicely useless backtrace: Jul 14 22:06:10 Jolla kernel: [<c010cabc>] (unwind_backtrace+0x0/0x11c) from [<c0110b18>] (__do_user_fault+0x7c/0xc4) | 19:14 |
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| flux | or does it still keep usefull stuff in, hm | 19:14 |
| Scelt | Stskeeps: okaydokay | 19:14 |
| Scelt | thx anyway | 19:14 |
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| flux | well, I put a copy to a place, if someone needs it I can give url :) | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | giucam might be a candidate | 19:15 |
| giucam | flux: pastebin it | 19:16 |
| flux | http://www.modeemi.fi/~flux/jolla.log | 19:17 |
| flux | I removed stuff before a bit befor the crash and everything after it | 19:17 |
| flux | I can put more in, but I need to check there's no credentials etc in it ;) | 19:18 |
| giucam | crash in qtquick, it seems | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | journal part? that's dmesg | 19:19 |
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| Stskeeps | eh, wait.. | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | flux: things right after that would be good | 19:19 |
| inte | should i remove patchmanager before installung the latwst update? | 19:21 |
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| CosmicDuck | hi, is there allready an qr code scanner available? | 19:22 |
| c0ck4m0u53 | pkcon remove jolla-startupwizard-tutorial returns "This tool could not find the installed package jolla-startupwizard-tutorial" | 19:22 |
| Scelt | c0ck4m0u53: pkcon remove sailfish-tutorial jolla-startupwizard | 19:23 |
| flux | stskeeps, giucam, I updated it to somewhat past start_alien | 19:23 |
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| c0ck4m0u53 | Scelt: thx for the quick reply:D so the package was renamed with the latest update:D | 19:24 |
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| coderus | CosmicDuck: native not afaik | 19:25 |
| coderus | i'm using android atm | 19:25 |
| flux | ah, I was not giving a crucial data point | 19:26 |
| flux | I was running quickbar | 19:26 |
| flux | for the first time as well | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | ah.. | 19:26 |
| flux | and it seems it does some qt trickery | 19:26 |
| flux | giucam, say, do you have suggestions how to recover my lost application folder?-) | 19:28 |
| flux | the apps are still findable with quicklauncher, but at some point when moving apps around the folder disappeared | 19:28 |
| giucam | flux: no, i haven't worked on them | 19:28 |
| inte | anyone installed the latest upgrade without removing patchmanager patches? | 19:32 |
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| flux | sounds like a bad idea :) | 19:33 |
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| ced117 | can anyone explain me, why i have the airplaine icon on the homescreen instead of the network signal icon after the update ? | 19:35 |
| ced117 | airplane* | 19:35 |
| coderus | ced117: simcard disconnected probably | 19:36 |
| xfade_ | ced117: then your os update didn't complete. | 19:37 |
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| xfade_ | ced117: disable airplane mode and check for updates again. | 19:37 |
| ced117 | nop coderus, everyting is working fine. calls/sms etc. | 19:37 |
| ced117 | airplane mode is "not" activated. | 19:37 |
| ced117 | but the icon is there. | 19:37 |
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| phlixi | CosmicDuck, coderus: native QR Scanner (unfortunately needs to press "capture"): https://openrepos.net/content/yoktobit/qrscany | 19:43 |
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| phlixi | ...very basic though... e.g. scanning something like that: "soMDAxSEB5GPqxwnhxAC" does not work, until you change it to "http://soMDAxSEB5GPqxwnhxAC" | 19:45 |
| phlixi | but works fine for me (usually i transfer urls, not passwords, and since i know the prefix trick, i dont care about that, bug) | 19:46 |
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| flux | ok, restored my folder. .config/lipstick/applications.menu has <Menu> with <Directory>/home/nemo/.config/lipstick/FolderniQ962.directory</Directory> | 20:04 |
| flux | none of the other Menus had it, so I removed it and restarted lipstick and boom, group is back | 20:04 |
| special | mjones: ^ | 20:05 |
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| MoritzJT | inte: no, what happened? | 20:33 |
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| inte | moritzjt nothing yet | 20:39 |
| inte | still downloading | 20:39 |
| inte | just wanted to know if i should remove the patches before updating | 20:40 |
| TemeV | inte I did | 20:45 |
| inte | ah | 20:46 |
| inte | what | 20:46 |
| TemeV | install update without removing patches | 20:46 |
| inte | removed or not removed prior to updating? | 20:46 |
| inte | ah | 20:46 |
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| inte | and, did it work? | 20:46 |
| TemeV | yep | 20:46 |
| inte | cool thanks! | 20:46 |
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| TemeV | patches were disabled first though, then they reappeared even I removed patchmanager already | 20:47 |
| inte | did the patches still work afterwards? | 20:47 |
| TemeV | reappeared after boot I mean | 20:47 |
| inte | ok | 20:47 |
| TemeV | most of them work, not all | 20:47 |
| inte | i dont mind if they reappear | 20:47 |
| inte | i like then | 20:47 |
| TemeV | but just to make it simpler, I would disable the patches | 20:48 |
| inte | ok then i will leave it as is | 20:48 |
| inte | as long as they don't break anything | 20:48 |
| TemeV | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1432719&postcount=260 | 20:49 |
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| inte | yeah thanks saw that already but it didnt answer my question regarding the update process | 20:50 |
| TemeV | I think official recommendation would be to disable patches, but I forgot and had no problems | 20:52 |
| inte | i also forgot and started the download process already | 20:53 |
| TemeV | download process doesn't matter | 20:54 |
| inte | dont know if its still possible to deactivate them when downloadbis ready | 20:54 |
| TemeV | yes, it is | 20:54 |
| inte | if its possible i will | 20:54 |
| inte | cool thanks again | 20:54 |
| TemeV | just don't do it before the download is finished, I'd guess restarting lipstick might interrupt the download | 20:55 |
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| TemeV | but after the download is finished, you should be good to do anything and install when you feel like it | 20:55 |
| inte | i cant anyways since warehouse is currently blocked | 20:56 |
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| inte | the download procesd is blocking uninstall menus | 20:56 |
| inte | ah but true of course i could just disable them | 20:57 |
| TemeV | yeah, disabling should be enough | 20:57 |
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| tmynttin | anyone have problems with cutespotify after the update? | 22:06 |
| tmynttin | i can't get any audio output from it | 22:07 |
| tmynttin | with or without headphones | 22:07 |
| inte | my update is still loading.... | 22:08 |
| inte | dont use spotify anyways | 22:08 |
| Nav | update? there's a new os update out? | 22:09 |
| * Nav hunts | 22:09 | |
| tmynttin | yes there is :) | 22:10 |
| * Nav wonders if there's full size versions of the update header images anywhere - they're really nice pics! | 22:14 | |
| inte | nav install it! | 22:16 |
| Nav | I am! | 22:17 |
| Nav | All downloaded, installing now | 22:18 |
| inte | takes ages to downloaf | 22:18 |
| inte | oh | 22:18 |
| inte | slow internet connectin here | 22:18 |
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| TemeV | tmynttin: update broke cutespotify, developer is aware and provides fix asap | 22:28 |
| tmynttin | TemeV: great! thx for the info :) | 22:29 |
| TemeV | I've heard android spotify works fine, so you can use it for the addiction :) | 22:30 |
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| tmynttin | might be i have to, though i'd prefer the native one, ofc :) | 22:32 |
| dunp | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/07/obama-administration-says-the-worlds-servers-are-ours/ | 22:33 |
| dunp | hope jolla can make nsa us free services :) | 22:33 |
| phlixi | this is not a bug, but an intended feature? WTF??? https://together.jolla.com/question/45661 | 22:36 |
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| Aard | it'll probly eventually become a setting | 22:37 |
| inte | dunp jolla is not srlling to the us (officially) | 22:38 |
| inte | there this position of the us gov doesnt really affect jolla currently | 22:38 |
| inte | i would think that, st least | 22:39 |
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| phlixi | this is quite cumbersome to discipline me to always have a "disposable tab" on top -.- | 22:52 |
| phlixi | and after opening a tab, e.g. from tweetian, immediately opening a new one... this is stupid stuff the machine should do automatically | 22:53 |
| phlixi | (b opening those as new tabs in the first place) | 22:53 |
| inte | how big is the current jolla update? | 23:04 |
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| inte | still downloading @384k | 23:05 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | Download size : ~440MB | 23:05 |
| inte | hu | 23:06 |
| inte | thanks | 23:06 |
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