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| kimmoli | inte_away: this is newer version https://github.com/kimmoli/devaamoMyhalf | 03:46 |
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| kimmoli | and, btw i'm working on a flux capacitor toh | 04:10 |
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| junnuvi | you need to make software which activates it on 88mph :P | 06:13 |
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| ruskie | so I have a few phone numbers stored as *31#+PHONENUMBER | 07:00 |
| ruskie | but when getting calls from those numbers(because they aren't prefixed by that *31#) jolla doesn't match the contact with the number | 07:01 |
| ruskie | so I will only see +PHONENUMBER as ringing me instead of the contact | 07:01 |
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| chriadam | ruskie: our current matching algorithm will attempt to match on characters before the dtmf codes -- which in your case, is zero | 07:06 |
| stephg | ningles | 07:07 |
| ruskie | ??? | 07:07 |
| chriadam | ruskie: in your case, the *31# to suppress caller id is being interpreted by our matching algorithm as "the start of some dtmf codes" (eg, things like extension designators etc) | 07:08 |
| ruskie | ahh | 07:08 |
| chriadam | usually, the "matchable" part of numbers occurs _before_ such codes, and so we're matching against an empty string in your case | 07:09 |
| ruskie | well in my case it's not to suppress caller id | 07:09 |
| ruskie | since I have it suppressed by default | 07:09 |
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| Nicd- | what will happen if I have a number prefixed with 152? like 0400123123 would be 1520400123123 | 07:10 |
| Nicd- | if they call me, will it be matched correctly? | 07:10 |
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| chriadam | we match against the rightmost 8 digits in that case, before any dtmf codes (in that example, none) | 07:11 |
| chriadam | so, we'd match against 00123123 | 07:11 |
| Nicd- | ah | 07:11 |
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| ruskie | so any reason why the assumption was to match before the dtmf codes? | 07:12 |
| ruskie | I don't think I've seen dtmf suffixes so far in my use of phones | 07:13 |
| chriadam | they are used for things like voicemail and stuff, mainly | 07:14 |
| chriadam | but you can also use them to call specific extensions on a particular pbax for example | 07:14 |
| ruskie | ahh most tend to have direct dialable numbers for extensions around here | 07:15 |
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| ruskie | would still make sense to match between dtmf codes then... | 07:24 |
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| inte | kimmoli: thanks. Do you think it is possible to somehow connect this chip to the jollas i2c: http://www.dz863.com/datasheet-816191563-AT83C23OK_Cardman-Smart-link/ . Maybe by utilising i2c-uart ics? | 07:42 |
| kimmoli | inte: that seems to be with usb interface | 07:44 |
| flux | difficult to read with so many links :) | 07:45 |
| inte | kimmoli: i think its both, serial and usb | 07:46 |
| inte | kimmoli: http://d1.ourdev.cn/bbs_upload782111/files_6/armok01127746.pdf | 07:46 |
| kimmoli | yep | 07:48 |
| kimmoli | reading | 07:48 |
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| kimmoli | seems to be obsolete device | 07:51 |
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| inte | you mean EOL? | 07:53 |
| kimmoli | y | 07:53 |
| inte | i guess its still possible to order some | 07:53 |
| kimmoli | Something that works with stm32 would be nicer :p for me atleast (i have personal things agains atmel) | 07:53 |
| kimmoli | like this http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/application_note/CD00166510.pdf | 07:53 |
| inte | cool yes | 07:56 |
| kimmoli | gtg to f00d. cyl | 08:00 |
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| inte | bye | 08:02 |
| inte | thanks | 08:02 |
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| Scelt | hey, is the sailfish-browser geckobased? | 08:13 |
| jake9xx | yes | 08:14 |
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| Scelt | jake9xx: why not webkit? wouldn't it be more natural? considering qt etc. | 08:15 |
| * ruskie is glad it's gecko based since he can actually use it for some sites | 08:15 | |
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| SK_Sailfish | Scelt: qt is ditching webkit in fzvor of qtwebengine (based on blink) | 08:16 |
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| Scelt | SK_Sailfish: oh, okay | 08:17 |
| Scelt | it seems that qtwebengine is something that chrome uses | 08:18 |
| Scelt | am I right? | 08:18 |
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| ruskie | seems like it | 08:18 |
| ruskie | so more shit browsing then | 08:18 |
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| jake9xx | why not webkit? Because webkit is DEAD apart from Apple activities. Webengine integration to Qt is/was not complete so, that's why gecko. | 09:14 |
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| Scelt | jake9xx: answer approved | 09:14 |
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| ruskie | do hope that gecko remains | 09:22 |
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| rigo | guys, consider khtml, webkit was forked from there | 09:34 |
| tbr | WTF? is that still around? | 09:34 |
| rigo | even under active development | 09:34 |
| rigo | you have to consider the interests of people in certain browsers before making your choice | 09:35 |
| rigo | have you considered opera oem? | 09:35 |
| meklu | opera uses blink nowadays | 09:35 |
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| * rigo imagines an all nordic device with ice-theme | 09:36 | |
| ruskie | only real reason I want gecko at this point is for client side certificate use | 09:36 |
| rigo | meklu: yep, the rendering engine, but the things around are still opera | 09:36 |
| meklu | eh, barely so | 09:36 |
| rigo | ruskie: you should use web-crypto for that | 09:36 |
| ruskie | what's that? | 09:37 |
| rigo | meklu: I know :( | 09:37 |
| rigo | ruskie: http://www.w3.org/2012/webcrypto/ | 09:37 |
| Nicd- | I'd be ready to go back to opera if they got their shit together and reimplemented sync | 09:38 |
| Nicd- | but so far nothing | 09:38 |
| rigo | Nicd-: exactly my question, but I could talk to them. There is a potential for alliance at the moment | 09:38 |
| ruskie | rigo, so actually I should NOT be using that since it doesn't solve the problem | 09:38 |
| ruskie | problem being how to identify a user towards a server | 09:38 |
| ruskie | which is what client side certificates do really well | 09:39 |
| Nicd- | for what its worth, opera was a part of sailfish alliance at one point | 09:39 |
| Nicd- | dunno if they still are | 09:39 |
| rigo | ruskie: ahh, I don't want to identify the user to a server :) | 09:39 |
| ruskie | rigo, well comes in handy to access e-gov stuff, banking stuff, cellco management interface for my contract/etc... | 09:39 |
| rigo | ruskie: but no, web-crypto does that trick afaik | 09:39 |
| ruskie | all services outside my control anyway | 09:40 |
| rigo | yep, imagine your eBanking other half | 09:40 |
| ruskie | I'd rather not | 09:40 |
| rigo | with the crypto-token inside | 09:40 |
| ruskie | *shudder* | 09:40 |
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| rigo | why not? | 09:40 |
| rigo | more secure than any you do today | 09:40 |
| ruskie | how is it more secure? | 09:42 |
| ruskie | it's the same device no matter how you look at it | 09:43 |
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| ruskie | doesn't matter if it's a physical token or a software since it would be attached to the device | 09:43 |
| ruskie | except with software one I can wipe it | 09:44 |
| ruskie | also a hw toh token would really advertise to the world look you have your banking credentials on you | 09:45 |
| rigo | you also have your credit card on you | 09:45 |
| ruskie | which is prepay thus usually empty until I load it up with money | 09:46 |
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| ruskie | or has such a low amount of money on it loaded that is not a big deal | 09:46 |
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| rigo | hm, my credit card works differently, I can go to an ATM and draw money | 09:48 |
| ruskie | I rarely have more than 100eur in funds avaialble on any card I have with me | 09:48 |
| ruskie | sure I can do that as well... as long as money is loaded on it | 09:49 |
| rigo | what I mean here is not to store electronic money on the device, but access your banking website with a crypto-token in a chip | 09:49 |
| rigo | so the bank would give you TOH with your credentials on it | 09:49 |
| rigo | or some stick with a microUSB interface | 09:50 |
| ruskie | you know what banks love? right after money... | 09:50 |
| rigo | that you stick on the phone | 09:50 |
| ruskie | BRANDING | 09:50 |
| ruskie | imagine having a TOH with your bank branding | 09:50 |
| rigo | here goes your business model :) | 09:50 |
| ruskie | guess how long it would take for someone to start stealing those | 09:50 |
| rigo | so what? People steal cars and entire ATMs | 09:51 |
| ruskie | frankly I prefer client side cert that I can stick in a sw store that is pw protected and then I need another password to actually enter... the cert only provides my identity(aka username) | 09:51 |
| rigo | BTW, if you use client side cert, do you http://www.w3.org/community/webid/ ? | 09:52 |
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| ruskie | nah | 09:53 |
| rigo | and I think it is a misunderstanding here. Web-Crypto is supposed to standardize the interface from the Browser to the client side credentials (with password or additional safeguards) | 09:53 |
| ruskie | this is based on the bank having it's own CA | 09:53 |
| ruskie | and tey issue a cert to me | 09:54 |
| ruskie | which ties to that | 09:54 |
| rigo | so client side certs just use the X.509 capabilities of the browser. web-crypto goes beyond that | 09:54 |
| ruskie | all of this sounds nice but until it's wide spread and established | 09:55 |
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| rigo | they are in Last call and we can expect implementation (Candidate REC) soon | 09:57 |
| rigo | I assume it will be in gecko, blink & IE pretty soon | 09:57 |
| ruskie | yeah but won't be in banks until prob 10 years down the line | 09:57 |
| ruskie | hell some of our customers still demand sw to work on ie7 | 09:58 |
| rigo | :) | 09:58 |
| rigo | you should be lucky that they aren't asking for IE6 :) | 09:58 |
| ruskie | that's why I generally ignore all this fancy crap | 09:58 |
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| ruskie | I only really use gecko for banking and a few sites that might not work with webkit | 09:59 |
| ruskie | otherwise webkit via vimprobable2 | 09:59 |
| rigo | yes, but once we talk about the default browser engine for jolla, I want something that is secure and is catering to my privacy rather than having a pure advertisement front-end with some annex-capabilities to browse the web | 10:00 |
| rigo | which is why people want a jolla, and not an android device | 10:00 |
| ruskie | good luck with that | 10:00 |
| ruskie | I don't see that happening | 10:00 |
| rigo | working on it :) | 10:00 |
| ruskie | no matter what browser engine | 10:00 |
| rigo | yep, all JS | 10:01 |
| ruskie | my home lan simply has a dns that redirects a TON of ad servers to my server | 10:01 |
| ruskie | hardly ever see an add there | 10:02 |
| ruskie | erm ad | 10:03 |
| rigo | my hosts file does redirect to 127.0.0.1 | 10:03 |
| lainwir3d | client certificates works in qtwebengine if that's what chrome use | 10:03 |
| ruskie | lainwir3d, sounds good then | 10:03 |
| ruskie | rigo, yeah with the amount of the hosts I have dns works much better hehe | 10:03 |
| ruskie | and it's also lan wide | 10:03 |
| lainwir3d | it worked two years and a half ago, though it was a bit more rusty than gecko | 10:03 |
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| rigo | I'm too often on the move to do that | 10:03 |
| lainwir3d | I assume it has quite evolved since then (in a good way) | 10:03 |
| ruskie | lainwir3d, considering my current solution on jolla if it gets a nice pick your certificate interface it'll already be better hehe | 10:04 |
| rigo | lainwir3d: I wouldn't be surprised if the qtengine is tied to khtml | 10:04 |
| lainwir3d | don't know | 10:04 |
| ruskie | I'm using shell scripts to swap between the cert stores to switch between 4 certs | 10:04 |
| lainwir3d | but I know chrome use mozilla stuff to store the certificates | 10:04 |
| lainwir3d | I don't remember how it's called | 10:04 |
| ruskie | lol | 10:04 |
| rigo | oh my | 10:04 |
| ruskie | you mean nss? | 10:05 |
| lainwir3d | yeah | 10:05 |
| rigo | BTW, if you do web security, we did http://www.strews.eu/results/5-web-platform-security-guide | 10:05 |
| lainwir3d | nss, that's it | 10:06 |
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| ruskie | hmm what's a good resolution for a wallpaper on the jolla? | 10:38 |
| stephg | ambiences are 540x1600 iirc | 10:39 |
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| ruskie | well guess 744x1392 works for my needs | 10:45 |
| Nicd- | I just use pics I take with the jolla itself | 10:46 |
| ruskie | do love how it creates an ambience based off of the colours in the pic | 10:46 |
| Nicd- | I should update my public ambience folder | 10:46 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | kimmoli: are you here ? | 10:54 |
| ruskie | did I mention I'm in love with jolla's UX | 10:59 |
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| ruskie | meh can't favorite more ambiances.... | 11:14 |
| ruskie | hmm will still need to find some sounds to fit with all of these | 11:19 |
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| Sail0r | do the twitter notifications also appear via dbus on jolla? | 11:25 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/09/boffins_slapped_by_one_thousand_wobbly_bits_after_wiped_phone_probe/ <-- lolo | 11:40 |
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| trigpoint | is sshfs available for jolla ? | 12:06 |
| ggabriel | trigpoint: yes | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | or rather, you can mount jolla's fs via sshfs | 12:08 |
| ggabriel | never tried the other way around | 12:08 |
| inte | regarding gecko, isnt it a big advance using gecko since gecko could easily be extended to play firefoxos html5 apps (like firefox does with their browser for Android?) | 12:08 |
| inte | ggabriel: i also did it that way and I can confirm that works | 12:09 |
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| kimmoli | dr_gogeta86: now i am | 12:19 |
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| trigpoint | ggabriel: I have mounted the jolla filesystem with sshfs, what I want to do is mount my music share so jolla can access it | 12:24 |
| tbr | it has fuse, so having sshfs should be trivial | 12:26 |
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| ruskie | I believe I saw it on openrepos | 12:36 |
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| pdanek | http://berryflow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Black.png | 13:04 |
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| Nicd- | that is the dumbest looking phone | 13:05 |
| Acce | where are you supposed to keep that thing? | 13:06 |
| Acce | not in your pocket, I presume | 13:06 |
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| pdanek | Acce: size is like passport | 13:29 |
| pdanek | so perfectly fits in the pocket | 13:29 |
| Nicd- | my passport is not a square | 13:30 |
| pdanek | Actually thin and tall phones are less comfortable in pocket than low and wide phones. | 13:30 |
| Scelt | It depends. I wouldn't want to carry my passport everywhere | 13:30 |
| pdanek | http://crackberry.com/sites/crackberry.com/files/styles/large_wm_brb/public/article_images/2014/06/passport_paper_mockup_right_angle.JPG | 13:30 |
| Scelt | I thought that samsung made the 7 inch tablet for that purpose | 13:31 |
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| pdanek | If you look at PalmPilot devices, they were of similar proportions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PalmPilot | 13:33 |
| pdanek | square screen | 13:34 |
| Scelt | pdanek: do you work for blackberry? | 13:34 |
| pdanek | Nope and I have never owned a single BlackBerry device. | 13:37 |
| lainwir3d | lies ! | 13:37 |
| pdanek | I'm just impressed by the design and proportions. | 13:37 |
| lainwir3d | :P | 13:37 |
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| Scelt | pdanek: okaydokay | 13:37 |
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| nahkiss_ | Can I somehow see log of all calls? | 13:50 |
| special | other than the phone application? | 13:50 |
| nahkiss_ | yeah the phone call log doesn't show multiple calls from same person as different entries | 13:50 |
| nahkiss_ | it only shows the latest | 13:50 |
| nahkiss_ | and I kinda want to know how long period was there between 2 calls of same person | 13:51 |
| special | if you don't mind commandline, try installing libcommhistory-qt5-tools and running (as nemo) libcommhistory-tool listcalls bytime | 13:52 |
| special | er | 13:52 |
| special | I screwed that command up entirely | 13:52 |
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| special | commhistory-tool listcalls bytime. | 13:54 |
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| nahkiss_ | seems to show exactly same information as call log app | 13:59 |
| nahkiss_ | as in, grouping multiple (received) calls from same number as one entry | 14:00 |
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| special | I don't *think* 'bytime' does grouping | 14:05 |
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| Sail0r | that phone would be pure fun with sailfishos http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=6455&c=allview_p7_seon_dual_sim | 14:23 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | seems an hybrid of xiaomi m3 + jolla beazel + n9 spirit | 14:45 |
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| pdanek | Sail0r: looks ugly :O | 14:51 |
| pdanek | Or.... on 2nd look, not so much. | 14:51 |
| ighea_ | I'm a little bit disapointed. Seeing how easy it is to implement a DIY wireless charging TOH why Jolla has not released their own. :< | 14:52 |
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| tbr | ighea_: probably because a) it's so easy to DIY b) priorities | 14:59 |
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| kimmoli | making custom design/mold, getting it certified etc... | 15:00 |
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| meklu | my lastucase has arrived http://imgur.com/1aAKuN1 | 15:24 |
| meklu | :) | 15:24 |
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| ighea_ | meklu: isn't that just some piece of wood on a normal white cover without NFC tag? | 15:34 |
| meklu | well, sort of yes | 15:36 |
| meklu | this one also has some reindeer leather slapped on it so as to act as a wallet-ish thihng | 15:36 |
| meklu | -h | 15:37 |
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| inte` | meklu: why does yours have other engravings than those at http://shop.jolla.com/eu_en/cat-accessories.html/ ? | 15:45 |
| meklu | inte`: you can order one directly from the manufacturer | 15:46 |
| meklu | the bottom engraving is that company's logo, the one in the middle is a custom engraving | 15:46 |
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| meklu | you can only get the jolla engraving if you order it from the jolla shop | 15:46 |
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| meklu | http://lastucase.com/product-category/jolla/ | 15:47 |
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| inte` | meklu: ah thanks | 15:47 |
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| Anarky | meklu: you are working for Memup? | 16:19 |
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| meklu | Anarky: the what? | 16:44 |
| meklu | that is a totally different looking m | 16:46 |
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| slate | sorry for bouncing in / out a lot for the past week. Had a problem with servers apache-config which ate all the memory. | 17:50 |
| Nicd- | oom-killer <3 | 17:56 |
| meklu | I've had oom-killer kill apache due to compiling LLVM with -j2 | 17:57 |
| meklu | 'oops' | 17:57 |
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| meklu | err no, -j4 did that | 17:57 |
| meklu | I adjusted it to -j2 shortly thereafter :b | 17:58 |
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| ln- | how to remove an android app that won't remove? (installed from an .apk, not through any market) | 18:02 |
| cb400f | does manually removing it from /app/data/ work? | 18:03 |
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| ln- | didn't try yet. (i guess you mean /data/app though) | 18:07 |
| coderus | hold and tap delete x button not working? :) | 18:08 |
| ln- | not working, no. | 18:08 |
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| coderus | then apkd-uninstall /data/app/appname.apk | 18:08 |
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| ln- | it says: method return sender=:1.4 -> dest:1.492 reply_serial=2 boolean true | 18:12 |
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| kimmoli | dejavu. i tried to manually install apk, and got just boolean true - and nothing | 18:14 |
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| coderus | so, then just delete apk from /data/app :) | 18:30 |
| ln- | that worked :) | 18:32 |
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| louisdk | What does the "Call waiting" feature under Settings -> Apps -> Phone do? | 23:12 |
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| louisdk | Nevermind. Found out. | 23:18 |
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| mfulz | hi | 23:41 |
| mfulz | anyone using syncevolution here with 1.0.7.16? | 23:41 |
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