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| inte | coderus: got it working in the end. there were several repos without path in ssu lr. After removing them, openrepos worked again. Dont know what it was. | 00:22 |
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| ruskie | hmmm is there any way to remove calendars??? apparently I had some sort of a sync from my google account in terms of calendars but as I removed that account the calendars remained... | 06:59 |
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| stephg | ruskie: they'll live in a db somewhere | 07:16 |
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| stephg | ruskie: I don't have any sync set up for calendar but launching it and seeing the file handles it has open look here: /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Calendar/mkcal | 07:34 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | good morning | 08:14 |
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| Jartza | argh | 08:34 |
| Jartza | I hate vkb auto-capitalization | 08:34 |
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| Azog | imo automatically appending of space is even worse | 08:37 |
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| Jartza | but can that be disabled? | 08:44 |
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| Azog | if you can show me how, i would be glad | 08:52 |
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| Nicd- | I would too | 08:53 |
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| ruskie | yeah hate auto cap as well | 09:00 |
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| * FireFly too | 09:05 | |
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| AL13N_work | Sage_: could the packetloss issue be this: http://dinaburg.org/bitsquatting.html | 09:22 |
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| Jartza | also the android-backpress closing all apps is annoying | 10:07 |
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| Jartza | I thought Jolla had nice things when I got the phone, but decided to wait for a while to let it mature | 10:08 |
| Jartza | looks like all the annoyances are still there | 10:09 |
| Nicd- | Jartza: in the next update android apps get their own windows | 10:09 |
| Nicd- | so I'm assuming the back button won't close the other apps anymore | 10:10 |
| Jartza | really? that would be a saver | 10:10 |
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| Jartza | I was already looking at Nexus 5 :) | 10:11 |
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| Jartza | the native Jolla apps are quite lacking still | 10:14 |
| ruskie | guess it depends what your use case | 10:16 |
| ruskie | is | 10:16 |
| lainwir3d | true, i don't really miss anything honestly | 10:16 |
| Jartza | sure, but I need for example skype & evernote daily | 10:17 |
| lainwir3d | the only android app I use is Waze | 10:17 |
| lainwir3d | oh, and skype from times to times | 10:17 |
| ruskie | glad to say I don't even have android support installed | 10:17 |
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| Jartza | and netflix and spotify are nice, not necessity though | 10:17 |
| Jartza | I need Skype daily as our company and customer uses it | 10:18 |
| stephg | Jartza: was pleasantly surprised with cutespotify, so much lighter-weight than the official android app | 10:18 |
| Scelt | just some development in cutespotify, ruori (xbmc remote control) and friends (or just use fb with mobile) would let me ditch the android support too | 10:18 |
| Scelt | stephg: same here. just needing queue and track bar (or at least see the position like 1:23/4:13) would be nice | 10:19 |
| Jartza | I guess those apps aren't in official Jolla store? | 10:19 |
| stephg | cutespotify no | 10:20 |
| lipi | native OBD2 and navigator apps would be great | 10:20 |
| stephg | (though open: https://github.com/Elleo/cutespotify) | 10:20 |
| lainwir3d | obd2 ? | 10:20 |
| lipi | lainwir3d: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-board_diagnostics | 10:21 |
| lainwir3d | all right, was not sure you were refering to that. Don't you need a connector ? | 10:22 |
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| Scelt | stephg: you know why cutespotify isn't in harbour? | 10:23 |
| lipi | lainwir3d: I have bluetooth adapter for that | 10:23 |
| lainwir3d | oh bluetooth, right. | 10:23 |
| lainwir3d | Nice :-) | 10:23 |
| lainwir3d | lipi: I might have done it if my old mercedes had OBD2 >_> | 10:23 |
| Scelt | jolla maps with voice guide is pretty much something I'm needing too | 10:23 |
| Elleo | Scelt: it has to use some unsupported APIs due to QAudioOutput not properly supporting resource management; as I understand it that's likely to be fixed in the July release though | 10:24 |
| lainwir3d | a Waze port to sailfish would be perfect.... *dreaming* | 10:24 |
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| Scelt | Elleo: kewl! | 10:25 |
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| lainwir3d | Is there a requirement on app licence on openrepos ? I suppose the app must be opensource ? | 10:33 |
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| stephg | I don't think there are any requirements? | 10:36 |
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| trigpoint | Where can I get IRC for jolla, I haved searched IRC in the Jolla Store but no results | 10:49 |
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| stephg | trigpoint: it is there | 10:50 |
| stephg | weird | 10:51 |
| stephg | not in my search results either | 10:51 |
| roboro | me neither... if you go to top apps though... it is listed | 10:52 |
| roboro | about halfway down... 257 likes | 10:52 |
| Nicd- | the search is wonky sometimes | 10:52 |
| stephg | yeah seems to be a bit b0rken today | 10:52 |
| roboro | or go to categories->apps->Internet... its there as well | 10:53 |
| trigpoint | Got it thanks guys | 10:55 |
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| Nicd- | new uptime record in the making \o/ | 11:41 |
| Bysmyyr | \o/ | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | 3 hours? | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:41 |
| Nicd- | 15 days and some | 11:42 |
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| Bysmyyr | me too :P | 11:42 |
| CosmicDuck | Hello, in filebrowser does anybody know how I can select more than one file for moving by cut & paste? | 11:42 |
| Bysmyyr | 3d+ | 11:42 |
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| Acce | CosmicDuck: which filebrowser? | 11:43 |
| Acce | try cargodock, it works nicely for multiple files | 11:44 |
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| CosmicDuck | its harbour-file-browser | 11:45 |
| Acce | I think it has no support for multiple file selection, try cargo dock instead | 11:46 |
| CosmicDuck | not shure. If I use paste e.g. to move a file in another directory it says "paste (1)" where 1 means that only one file would be paste. | 11:47 |
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| CosmicDuck | so I think there is possible to select more than one file. But also I will get cargodock give a chance ;-) I hope I can also show and browse .-directories. | 11:50 |
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| Acce | mhmm, I solved .dirs by making symlinks to home/nemo | 11:53 |
| Nicd- | for some reason the screenshots I take on my jolla don't appear in the gallery | 11:53 |
| _inte_ | cargodock is also pretty cool to access webdavs shares and e.g. dropbox | 11:53 |
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| Bysmyyr | inte: I did not know that | 11:54 |
| Nicd- | photos taken with the camera don't appear in the gallery either | 11:54 |
| Nicd- | how can I kick tracker so it'll do its job? | 11:54 |
| inte | Bysmyyr you can add them in settings | 11:54 |
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| inte | also owncloud | 11:54 |
| Bysmyyr | that is nice to know | 11:54 |
| inte | or tonline mediencenter | 11:55 |
| CosmicDuck | I would like more to browse the whole directory path beginning from / dir. But the photos I can find looks like good. Thank you. | 11:55 |
| CosmicDuck | But also if someone knows how I can select more than one file in the normal file-browser it would be nice to give me a hint. | 11:55 |
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| inte | i use to access my webdavs shares at mailbox.org and it works pretty good except for that the last file access time is wrong | 11:56 |
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| CosmicDuck | inte: maybe the NSA has read your file? ;-) | 11:57 |
| inte | mailbox.org is hostet in Germany. Rather not:) | 11:57 |
| CosmicDuck | they are overall the universe :-} | 11:58 |
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| kimmoli | Nicd-: tracker-control -krs will make complete reset to tracker | 12:00 |
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| Nicd- | and delete all earlier results? | 12:00 |
| kimmoli | at least r parameter has some outputs like "Removing all database/storage files" | 12:01 |
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| kimmoli | k = kill, r= reset, s=start | 12:01 |
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| Nicd- | I'll try -ks first | 12:01 |
| crazy_imp | heyho | 12:02 |
| crazy_imp | are there any plans to update to a more recent kernel in the near future? | 12:02 |
| Nicd- | that did it, thanks kimmoli! | 12:03 |
| kimmoli | np | 12:03 |
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| SK_work | crazy_imp: IIRC there were discussions, and there were problems too | 12:04 |
| SK_work | why would you want that ? | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | no, but we do try to upgrade along with the point release (ie, 3.4.x) | 12:04 |
| crazy_imp | just asking because of the current bluez release with more LE support | 12:04 |
| crazy_imp | ( http://www.bluez.org/release-of-bluez-5-21/ ) | 12:04 |
| crazy_imp | and "This is the first BlueZ release that offers full feature parity as a drop-in replacement to what comes as part of Android by default." | 12:05 |
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| mornfall | so when was the next update? ;-) the android improvements on the roadmap sounded good :P | 12:10 |
| Nicd- | mornfall: this month | 12:10 |
| netzvieh | soon :D | 12:10 |
| mornfall | netzvieh: yay | 12:10 |
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| CosmicDuck | because of bluez: Will we get an ftp support with new bluez stack so I can browse my phone from my pc? | 12:21 |
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| CosmicDuck | hmm, ok was not the case | 12:23 |
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| sjtoik | is there a younited client for jolla already in store? | 13:51 |
| Nicd- | no | 13:52 |
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| gogeta | sshd once died | 15:10 |
| gogeta | you need to restart phone | 15:10 |
| gogeta | or open terminal | 15:11 |
| gogeta | and systemctl restart sshd | 15:11 |
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| ruskie | hmm phone number matching seems to be off | 16:38 |
| ruskie | I have a few phone numbers entered with the code to unhide caller id | 16:39 |
| ruskie | and it doesn't match those to the contacts when receiving calls | 16:39 |
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| pdanek | Do you think the new Apple Sapphire glass is going to be much more durable than current Gorilla glass? | 16:55 |
| pdanek | Because Gorila glass is not durable at all. | 16:55 |
| pdanek | Literally breaks with breathing on it. | 16:55 |
| ruskie | so that would be 0xsometihng | 16:55 |
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| pdanek | Do you think 64bit CPUs in iPhone are really that much beneficial? (considering you have optimized 64bit apps) | 17:05 |
| pdanek | and that you don't have over 3G memory :D | 17:05 |
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| pdanek | http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you | 17:24 |
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| Yaniel | argh, another random shutdown | 17:50 |
| CosmicDuck | hmm, cargodock brings nothing to me. I can select the files and only delete them. but not cut and paste, also move them to another folder. | 17:51 |
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| pdanek | Did you guys ever use Sharp Zaurus Linuxes? Was it any good? | 19:36 |
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| rigo | HeyHo, I need HELP! I'm stuck in the jolla shop because visa wrecked my payment. Now I have an order that I can't pay and I don't want to place a new order, as this would be binding | 19:47 |
| rigo | and I can access my order, but I can't relaunch the payment | 19:48 |
| rigo | hopefully, the phone is better than the shop software | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | rigo: best to contact care@ if you have issues | 19:51 |
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| cb400f | rigo: you can also buy via amazon :-) | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | can't beat amazon's shop in terms of maturity, at least.. :P | 19:54 |
| rigo | cb400f: I refuse amazon for several reasons | 19:54 |
| Nightmare__ | rigo: had the same problem, answer from care: place a new one :D | 19:54 |
| cb400f | and the phone is certainly much better than the payment stuff on the shop :-) | 19:54 |
| cb400f | rigo: makes sense :-) | 19:54 |
| rigo | Nightmare__: did you get 2 phones? | 19:55 |
| Nightmare__ | nope | 19:55 |
| Nightmare__ | they said the order is stuck and they can'T reset it when the payment process fails | 19:55 |
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| Nightmare__ | *when=if | 19:55 |
| Nightmare__ | but it's better you contact them | 19:56 |
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| rigo | ok, @care submitted. Will see that tomorrow. So I wasn't just to dumb to find the trick. There is simply no trick... | 19:57 |
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| rigo | thanks for the feedback. | 19:57 |
| rigo | I will see that tomorrow then... | 19:57 |
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| rigo | hm, btw, cb400f, what about VF1000F? | 19:58 |
| pdanek | rigo: I had the same issue with different e-shops, it's not just Jolla. | 19:58 |
| rigo | pdanek: it is not the jolla shop, it is the banksters making crap technology | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | worst experience i've had so far is when a bank wants to call me to verify a transaction.. that blows up a lot of e-shops | 19:58 |
| rigo | BTW, Stskeeps, should I update the phone once it is shipped or do they go out with the latest fixes? | 20:00 |
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| Stskeeps | it depends, it's always good to just update when you get it | 20:00 |
| rigo | will do, now foot... | 20:00 |
| rigo | hopefully not the same picture as yesterday | 20:00 |
| rigo | thanks again | 20:01 |
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| inte` | CosmicDuck: did you figure out how CragDock works in the end? :) | 20:02 |
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| louisdk | Is it possible to put wifi and 3g widgets on the notifications screen? | 20:06 |
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| * pdanek wonders why Nokia N810 wasn't done with phone capability already. | 20:11 | |
| slate | It was a nice device. | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | well, somebody patched it on later, afaik | 20:13 |
| slate | how, it did not have a modem? | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | well it had space for it.. | 20:14 |
| slate | sweet jesus. | 20:14 |
| slate | :) | 20:14 |
| * Stskeeps tries to find it | 20:15 | |
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| inte` | there was a wimax edition | 20:15 |
| pdanek | Nobody uses wimax. | 20:16 |
| inte` | this could probably also work as phone | 20:16 |
| inte` | at that time there were some areas people were using it | 20:16 |
| pdanek | Wimax is rather wifi alternative. | 20:16 |
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| inte` | around 2009 afair | 20:16 |
| pdanek | log range wifi alternative | 20:16 |
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| inte` | pdanek: no it was ment as succesor for CDMA2000 as LTE is a sucessor of UMTS (GSMA) | 20:17 |
| pdanek | oh, really? | 20:17 |
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| inte` | afair on of the first 4g networks was set up in NYC and was based on WIMAX | 20:18 |
| pdanek | Because wimax I had, about 9 years ago, was pretty much internet for home, a receiver on my balcony. | 20:18 |
| pdanek | So like a wifi replacement. | 20:18 |
| inte` | there were several android CDMA/WIMAX handset at that time | 20:18 |
| pdanek | I guess it had wide usecase. | 20:18 |
| inte` | lmgtfy | 20:18 |
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| inte` | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2371834,00.asp | 20:20 |
| inte` | that was 4G in 2010 already | 20:20 |
| inte` | however, afair sprint also set up LTE later, since LTE is somewhat faster than WiMAX | 20:20 |
| slate | First LTE-network i saw was in a hotel conference room @ Espoo, Finland. :P | 20:20 |
| inte` | slate: :) | 20:20 |
| inte` | when? | 20:20 |
| inte` | 2g - cdma | 20:21 |
| inte` | 3g -cdma2000 | 20:21 |
| slate | hmm, good question, it was a training session about the subject. | 20:21 |
| inte` | 4g - lte | 20:21 |
| slate | 2010'ish | 20:21 |
| inte` | the qualcom side | 20:21 |
| inte` | while | 20:21 |
| inte` | 2g - gsm | 20:21 |
| slate | I got the certi somewhere. | 20:21 |
| inte` | 3g - umts | 20:21 |
| inte` | 4g - lte | 20:21 |
| inte` | from gsma | 20:21 |
| slate | 4g can also be hspa+ by some standards.. | 20:22 |
| slate | which sucks | 20:22 |
| inte` | slate: isnt that just marketing? | 20:22 |
| meklu | "dual carrier" 4g | 20:22 |
| inte` | its not an actual standard than | 20:22 |
| slate | yep. but legal. at least was when launched. | 20:22 |
| inte` | ok | 20:22 |
| inte` | i was referring to the technologies though | 20:23 |
| meklu | mobile manufacturers I think pressured some organization to acknowledge it as '4g' | 20:23 |
| meklu | like with lte | 20:23 |
| inte` | mh | 20:23 |
| * inte` never used a cdma handset | 20:24 | |
| inte` | (except for gsma UMTS) | 20:24 |
| inte` | i still have a globalstar/is95 phone somewhere, though | 20:24 |
| inte` | however, no cdma coverage in Germany anyways... | 20:25 |
| slate | is lte-a then 5g? | 20:25 |
| inte` | ir recently read sth. about 5g testing but afair they were talking about an entirely new technologie | 20:25 |
| slate | I've dropped out of the mobile world work-wise so havent been following the specs too much. | 20:25 |
| inte` | what is lte-a, btw? | 20:26 |
| inte` | slate: me too :) | 20:26 |
| slate | lte-advanced | 20:26 |
| inte` | sth. like EDGE for GPRS and HSDPA for UMTS? | 20:26 |
| inte` | then its rather 4,5G or not? | 20:26 |
| parasemic | stephg | 20:26 |
| slate | could be | 20:27 |
| parasemic | wat do when my jolla came from warranty repair and is still broken | 20:27 |
| parasemic | ? | 20:27 |
| inte` | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G | 20:27 |
| slate | I've also heard rumors about hooking up 4 simultaneous 2G connections with new modulation to gain 100 Mbit/s speeds | 20:27 |
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| slate | But havent heard about it for a while | 20:28 |
| slate | there's heck of a lot of free space in 2G atm. :) | 20:28 |
| tbr | 2G is not a frequency band, it's a standard... | 20:28 |
| inte` | tbr | 20:29 |
| inte` | yep | 20:29 |
| pdanek | slate: wow, so duct-tape 4x Nokia 3300 together to build 100 Mbit/s modem! | 20:29 |
| inte` | even lte utilizes some gsm spaces already | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | re n810 as a phone: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43185&highlight=phone+hack | 20:29 |
| inte` | at 1800mhz | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | start from blue_led's post | 20:29 |
| slate | pdanek: :) | 20:30 |
| slate | Stskeeps: sweet, will read, thanks | 20:30 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: let me guess, BT or USB or UART to control a CMT? | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: it's .. interesting | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | check it :P | 20:31 |
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| * tbr is currently watching soccer (we're in semi finals, that's when I get mildly interested) | 20:31 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:32 |
| Kiranos_ | Dutch? | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | who's getting beaten up today? | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:32 |
| slate | messi | 20:32 |
| attah | btw/fyi.. the Gs, at least 3&4 are defined by ITU on kind of a wishlist basis | 20:32 |
| tbr | NED vs ARG | 20:32 |
| tbr | also as expected, a CMT connected over UART/USB2SERIAL | 20:33 |
| tbr | the N810 IIRC even supported this OOtB for the BT use case? | 20:33 |
| slate | quality of work seems impressive | 20:33 |
| inte` | oh ned is playing ned today? | 20:35 |
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| inte` | thats funny i heard germany will also play arg next weekend;) | 20:35 |
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| inte` | wups | 20:36 |
| inte` | messed up the joke | 20:36 |
| inte` | damned | 20:36 |
| pdanek | :D | 20:36 |
| slate | Stskeeps: project did not finish? | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | seems so | 20:36 |
| inte` | would be cool to do sth. like that for the jolla | 20:37 |
| inte` | to add dual sim functionality | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | well, you can probably do something over either sdio or i2c | 20:37 |
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| inte` | isnt i2c a bit limited? | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | enough for serial, i'd suppose? | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:38 |
| inte` | i read on tmo people were trying to build an rs232 adaptor | 20:38 |
| inte` | havent heard of much progress yet, though | 20:39 |
| slate | kimmoli.. | 20:39 |
| pdanek | kimmoli is working on nuclear reactor half | 20:39 |
| slate | fusion? | 20:39 |
| inte` | i recently learned i2c was serial but not rs232, | 20:40 |
| inte` | pdanek: :) | 20:40 |
| pdanek | I don't know the details, but I'm sure he is. | 20:40 |
| inte` | im not too much into hardware | 20:40 |
| inte` | but i have great ideas for TOHs :) | 20:40 |
| meklu | slap some asbestos on it | 20:41 |
| meklu | bam, fire retardant TOH | 20:41 |
| inte` | sounds healthy:) | 20:41 |
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| inte` | id love a smartcardreader toh, so if kimmoli finishes his rs232 i2c adaptor its probably easy to build all these things, since there are plenty of rs232 modules available | 20:44 |
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| AL13N | inte`: but, how is this gonna fit? | 20:57 |
| AL13N | pdanek: cold fusion would be nice, though | 20:58 |
| meklu | let's shove a thorium reactor into a TOH | 20:59 |
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| inte` | AL13N: ?? | 21:18 |
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| AL13N | inte`: the smartcardreader | 21:18 |
| inte` | i though on the back/bottom | 21:19 |
| AL13N | iirc, someone had tried to fit a smartcard to be hidden inside the TOH, but it just didn't fit in it | 21:19 |
| inte` | neednt be hidden | 21:20 |
| AL13N | no, but i believe the width was the problem | 21:20 |
| AL13N | though hidden smartcardreader would even be better | 21:20 |
| inte` | do you have a Jolla yourself? | 21:20 |
| AL13N | yes | 21:20 |
| inte` | width couldnt be the problem at all | 21:20 |
| AL13N | i mean thickness | 21:20 |
| inte` | a | 21:21 |
| inte` | yes | 21:21 |
| AL13N | sorry | 21:21 |
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| inte` | sure your would need a custom other half | 21:21 |
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| inte` | which would make sense if you want to remove the card w/o removing the toh | 21:21 |
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| pdanek | Computer Chronicles: 1984 - Operating Systems: https://archive.org/details/Operatin1984 | 21:29 |
| pdanek | 22:03 "MS-DOS is reputed to be moving in the direction of looking more and more like Unix." | 21:29 |
| inte` | AL13N: sth. like http://www.hierbleiben.net/neu/images/blog/2012-11-05-izettle/izettle_2.JPG | 21:29 |
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| inte` | there were mobiles from e.g. motorola | 21:40 |
| inte` | like the microtak with internal credit card reader | 21:41 |
| pdanek | I miss the old technology. | 21:42 |
| inte` | the only reason i would want a smartcardreader on the jolla was to use it with gpg smartcard since i hesitate storing the secret key on internal memory | 21:42 |
| inte` | i was thinking of using cryptsetup and to put secret data on the sd card | 21:42 |
| inte` | but id prefer plugin my gpg card in the bottom of the phone when i need it | 21:43 |
| inte` | pdanek: there were cool things those days | 21:43 |
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| inte` | soccer is so boring this night | 21:44 |
| CosmicDuck | hmm, did the jolla allready have a nfc on board? | 21:45 |
| meklu | well, sort of | 21:45 |
| meklu | I mean, it does have a chip | 21:45 |
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| meklu | but it's used for just identifying TOHs | 21:45 |
| meklu | I think it was pretty low-range too | 21:46 |
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| CosmicDuck | low range is ok. lower is better | 21:47 |
| CosmicDuck | its nfc not wfc | 21:47 |
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| AL13N | inte`: i wouldn't like that one bit | 21:47 |
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| CosmicDuck | hmm, with the i2c it should be possible to communicate with the openpgp card. | 21:48 |
| inte` | i made a thread on tmo but no conlusion | 21:49 |
| CosmicDuck | tmo? | 21:49 |
| inte` | all modules which work with gnupg are either rs232 or usb | 21:49 |
| AL13N | it's probable that if you remove the toh, that you can use the nfc chip | 21:49 |
| AL13N | it's possible that maybe you could turn off the nfc chip's jamming and have the toh nfc work for your purpose | 21:50 |
| inte` | but wouldnt you need the microprocessor of supported chipcard readers to read out the gnupg card? | 21:51 |
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| ar | inte`: you can communicate with a smartcard over nfc | 21:52 |
| ar | inte`: assuming the card has nfc | 21:52 |
| inte` | ar i have a gnupg card that has nfc | 21:54 |
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| inte` | however, you cannot access the keys through nfc... | 21:54 |
| inte` | you need ccid to access gpg keys | 21:54 |
| inte` | there is also this http://www.yubico.com/products/yubikey-hardware/yubikey-neo/ | 21:54 |
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| inte` | could be used as login token | 21:55 |
| inte` | supports nfc | 21:55 |
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| inte` | and gpg - but this only works via usb/ccid | 21:55 |
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| CosmicDuck | what i mean is we use a modified other half and put in a pgp card which communicate with gpg via i2c | 21:57 |
| inte` | CosmicDuck: exactely | 21:58 |
| inte` | therefore, if we had a rs232 adaptor, it would be possible to connect this to a reader module and thus communicate with the smartcard | 21:59 |
| inte` | its probably possible to somehow get the i2c module, put some microchips on it and communicate with the readers chipset directly, but thats nothing I could do :) | 22:00 |
| tbr | I²C UART expanders exist | 22:00 |
| inte` | tbr: is uart rs232? | 22:00 |
| inte` | and is this thing more than a concept? | 22:00 |
| tbr | also no need to go through RS-232-C as the SC won't need it in an embedded form | 22:00 |
| tbr | also there might be I²C SC readers | 22:01 |
| AL13N | hmm | 22:01 |
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| CosmicDuck | why not communicate directly with the gpg card by an added gpio | 22:02 |
| tbr | also some cards are just plain I²C | 22:02 |
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| CosmicDuck | why should we use a sc smart card reader if communication is also possible directly to the chip? ok, maybe some code is needed but we have no place in the jolla. | 22:03 |
| tbr | SC reader == the holding part with elctrical contacts | 22:04 |
| tbr | and maaaybe an IC of some sort | 22:04 |
| CosmicDuck | if really needed for that. | 22:04 |
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| inte` | tbr the gnupg cards are not i2c | 22:04 |
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| inte` | there are i2c cards but those can only used for storage | 22:05 |
| tbr | inte`: well, get a proper I²C chip to interface with them, those exist | 22:05 |
| tbr | at which point it becomes a I²C connected SC reader | 22:05 |
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| inte` | tbr i didnt find any | 22:06 |
| inte` | http://www.smartcardfocus.com/shop/ilp/se~1/built-in/p/index.shtml | 22:07 |
| inte` | like those | 22:07 |
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| inte` | all of the internal boards are either usb or rs232 | 22:07 |
| CosmicDuck | http://g10code.com/docs/openpgp-card-2.0.pdf | 22:07 |
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| inte` | CosmicDuck: yes, thats the smartcard | 22:08 |
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| inte` | http://www.ebay.de/itm/Omnikey-CW051B-3x21-Smart-Card-Reader-intern-USB-und-seriell-/151328627613?pt=DE_Computer_Sonstige&hash=item233be39b9d | 22:09 |
| inte` | this one would somehow fit into the jolla with a customized TOH | 22:09 |
| tbr | you're looking at consumer products... | 22:09 |
| tbr | also as said I²C UART expanders exist | 22:10 |
| inte` | http://www.embeddedrelated.com/usenet/embedded/show/57108-1.php | 22:10 |
| CosmicDuck | many I²C chips exists ;-) | 22:10 |
| inte` | iso7816 is the standard | 22:11 |
| inte` | the gnupg smartcards are iso7816 | 22:11 |
| inte` | therefore a microcontroller is needed to read them | 22:11 |
| inte` | plain i2c reader doesnt work | 22:11 |
| CosmicDuck | why? Is the jolla not "microcontroller" enough? | 22:13 |
| inte` | because its not support by ccid? | 22:15 |
| inte` | dont know | 22:15 |
| inte` | maybe its propreitary | 22:15 |
| CosmicDuck | The bus is clock driven. So if the code generate the clock and the data so it should be possible to communicate with a simple I²c to gpio chip | 22:15 |
| inte` | CosmicDuck: I asked the same question in a security ng once | 22:16 |
| CosmicDuck | http://www.cardwerk.com/smartcards/smartcard_standard_ISO7816-3.aspx | 22:16 |
| inte` | there is simply no implementation for that yet | 22:16 |
| inte` | i dont know | 22:16 |
| inte` | i use smartcards | 22:16 |
| inte` | im not programing smartcards | 22:16 |
| CosmicDuck | I've no time to code :-( | 22:17 |
| inte` | someone else tried that before | 22:18 |
| inte` | http://www.avrfreaks.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=printview&t=42642&start=0 | 22:18 |
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| inte` | well | 22:20 |
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| inte` | tbr: where can I get this uart adapter? | 22:21 |
| tbr | UTFG: "i²c UART expander" | 22:21 |
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| inte` | tbr I only find the thread at tmo and this looks like a concept rather then something ready | 22:25 |
| inte` | for use | 22:25 |
| inte` | .oO(and I knew that before) | 22:25 |
| CosmicDuck | they talk about T=0 simulation. Maybe OpenPGP Card is T=1.? | 22:27 |
| tbr | let me google that for you then | 22:27 |
| tbr | http://www.nxp.com/products/interface_and_connectivity/bridges/i2c_spi_slave_to_uart_irda_gpio_bridges/#products | 22:27 |
| inte` | CosmicDuck: dont know | 22:27 |
| tbr | http://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/interface/controllers-expanders/uart.cfm | 22:28 |
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| inte` | tbr ah ok thanks | 22:30 |
| inte` | you mean there are microprocessors available | 22:30 |
| tbr | no... | 22:30 |
| inte` | ICs | 22:30 |
| tbr | yes | 22:30 |
| tbr | and then hook that up to an UART based SC reader. preferably one that does NOT use RS-232-C logic levels | 22:31 |
| inte` | I thought i could just order an entire board which fits in my jolla and to which i can simply solder a smartcard reader module :) | 22:32 |
| inte` | ok they go in the penalties | 22:32 |
| tbr | you'll need to design something custom anyway | 22:33 |
| inte` | yeah | 22:33 |
| tbr | use mytoh as a start | 22:33 |
| inte` | what is that again? | 22:34 |
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| inte` | i2c tool? | 22:35 |
| inte` | or myhalf, to be more precise? | 22:36 |
| tbr | https://github.com/kimmoli/myhalf/ | 22:36 |
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| inte` | ah yeah thanks I thought so ok i will and be back on that topic if i run into problems | 22:38 |
| inte` | and i will :) | 22:38 |
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