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| Bysmyyr | any ideas, I am doing this https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 04:22 |
| Bysmyyr | but it is still doing it after 18h | 04:22 |
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| tbr | Bysmyyr: be careful what you do. it might destroy your device and is not covered by warranty | 05:15 |
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| Bysmyyr | tbr: yep... | 05:19 |
| tbr | Bysmyyr: did you free up space before you ran the command? | 05:21 |
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| Bysmyyr | some | 05:21 |
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| tbr | you could check the system load in a second terminal or ssh session | 05:22 |
| Bysmyyr | about 20% | 05:23 |
| tbr | caused by that process? | 05:24 |
| Bysmyyr | 2 btrfs related | 05:25 |
| tbr | then by all means, leave it running | 05:25 |
| Bysmyyr | yep, hope it finish in 8h because then I have to leave and I did not used screen :( | 05:27 |
| Quu | oh yeah, its friday again | 05:29 |
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| gexc | hmm... the phone cannot find my wifi again | 08:07 |
| gexc | before rebooting, any log to check? | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | fyi, i'm dropping out of some irc channels as i'm semi going into summer holiday mode.. if i'm urgently needed, prod me on /msg | 08:10 |
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| kimmoli | wut, holidays, you? | 08:16 |
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| King_DuckZ | hello, I'm thinking to buy the jolla phone, can somebody tell me something about the quality of its functions as a phone? ie: voice calls and sms | 09:11 |
| tbr | works great | 09:12 |
| tbr | actually I've heard repeatedly that the audio quality is very good when compared to other phones. | 09:12 |
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| tbr | I wouldn't know much, because I don't use the calling part that much | 09:13 |
| Nicd- | I haven't noticed, I think it's quite normal | 09:13 |
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| TemeV | calls and sms work just as any other phone I've used | 09:15 |
| King_DuckZ | do bluetooth headsets work fine? I noticed the guys working on bluez messed up with the most common headests lately, and they don't work anymore on linux systems | 09:15 |
| TemeV | should work. At least my bluetooth speaker works fine | 09:17 |
| King_DuckZ | TemeV: ok, so no silly problems like the iphone, where if you hold your mobile with your hand you cover the antenna and so you can't speak properly? | 09:17 |
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| TemeV | At least I haven't had such problems :) | 09:17 |
| King_DuckZ | ok good :) | 09:17 |
| King_DuckZ | I might get it straight away | 09:18 |
| King_DuckZ | I'll wait a few more hours in case I get more questions :) | 09:18 |
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| King_DuckZ | everything's standard right? usb, memory card, simcard...? and also, can you charge it from usb even with a flat battery? | 09:19 |
| tbr | yes, yes and yes | 09:20 |
| TemeV | microUSB, microSD and microSIM, everything micro :) | 09:20 |
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| King_DuckZ | cool | 09:20 |
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| Nicd- | dunno about the charging from flat. I've never gotten it that flat | 09:20 |
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| tbr | WFM | 09:21 |
| Nicd- | once shutdown because I ran out of battery but I had no problem charging | 09:21 |
| TemeV | I had battery once so empty, the phone didn't boot anymore. No problem with charging | 09:21 |
| meklu | hmm, pretty sure it's all hardware | 09:21 |
| King_DuckZ | hmm one more thing, do you have to leave it on like android for the alarm to work properly, or can you switch it off like symbian? | 09:21 |
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| meklu | with the charging | 09:21 |
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| meklu | hmm, haven't tested that out | 09:22 |
| TemeV | alarms work with phone turned off | 09:22 |
| King_DuckZ | hey meklu, I didn't expect to find you here :D | 09:22 |
| meklu | :D | 09:22 |
| meklu | long time no see | 09:22 |
| Nicd- | meklu is everywhere | 09:22 |
| meklu | I got mine just last week | 09:22 |
| King_DuckZ | indeed | 09:22 |
| TemeV | should even work if phone is shutdown by running out of battery | 09:22 |
| Nicd- | and yep, alarms work when phone is off | 09:22 |
| King_DuckZ | TemeV: that's freaking great | 09:22 |
| meklu | that would make sense, considering the ex-Nokia workforce :P | 09:23 |
| King_DuckZ | TemeV: seems like rocket science nowdays, yet it's been there since nokia 3310 and earlier | 09:23 |
| meklu | the usability is pretty good on this IMO | 09:23 |
| meklu | e.g. when you plug in a USB cable, the prompt is muy bueno compared to whatever I had to use on Android | 09:24 |
| King_DuckZ | is it too large to fit in a jeans pocket, or too delicate? should I carry it in some bag instead? | 09:24 |
| King_DuckZ | meklu: cool | 09:24 |
| TemeV | King_DuckZ: yeah. And 3310 was a great phone :) | 09:24 |
| meklu | hmm, haven't worn jeans jeans for a few weeks | 09:24 |
| Nicd- | King_DuckZ: the corners are quite sharp compared to some phones | 09:25 |
| King_DuckZ | Nicd-: I've got a Nokia N8 atm, not sure if you can compare to that? | 09:25 |
| meklu | a bit bigger maybe | 09:25 |
| King_DuckZ | mm k :/ | 09:25 |
| meklu | not much of a difference in dimensions I don't think | 09:25 |
| TemeV | if you have skinny jeans, it might be too big. With "normal" jeans it fits to pocket just fine | 09:25 |
| meklu | ^ | 09:26 |
| King_DuckZ | yeah, I should be fine then | 09:26 |
| King_DuckZ | right, I'm gettig it today | 09:26 |
| King_DuckZ | meklu: this is OT here, but I've got a way more relaxed project going on if you're interested https://bitbucket.org/King_DuckZ/clooneljump - we can talk in pvt if you want | 09:27 |
| TemeV | when moving from symbian, one thing to learn is that flash light is not turned on by holding power button :) | 09:28 |
| meklu | King_DuckZ: neat | 09:28 |
| King_DuckZ | TemeV: I don't think I have that functionality right now... not that I know at least o.o | 09:29 |
| TemeV | does N8 have that "slider" for unlocking? | 09:29 |
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| meklu | IIRC yes | 09:29 |
| King_DuckZ | TemeV: hm nope, there's a switch or the right with some spring inside, not sure if that's a slider | 09:30 |
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| King_DuckZ | TemeV: http://www.softstore.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/n8-nokia1.jpg it's the dark switch in the middle of the rightmost picture | 09:31 |
| TemeV | yeah, just that. Hold it for a few seconds and flash light should go on | 09:31 |
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| King_DuckZ | it doesn't... I tried both from locked and unlocked | 09:33 |
| junnuvi | King_DuckZ: http://ihan.tutkalla.com/14070001.jpg | 09:33 |
| TemeV | weird, maybe there is some setting for it then... | 09:34 |
| King_DuckZ | junnuvi: ah... uhm... wow | 09:35 |
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| King_DuckZ | junnuvi: I'll need a bag or something then, or I'll just leave it at home | 09:35 |
| Nicd- | get bigger pockets :P | 09:35 |
| King_DuckZ | crazy, just a few years ago everybody was about getting a mobile that was as small and light as possible, and now most models look and feel like bricks | 09:36 |
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| Nicd- | but very thin bricks | 09:36 |
| junnuvi | Yes, my opinion is that screens are getting too big | 09:36 |
| TemeV | screen in Jolla is quite maximum sized for me | 09:37 |
| King_DuckZ | yeah... mixing up what a phone is with what a PDA used to be, and trying to go the netbook way... strange hybrids | 09:37 |
| TemeV | But have to admit, N9 felt small after using Jolla for some time :) | 09:38 |
| TemeV | something between them would be nice | 09:38 |
| kimmoli | https://www.riemurasia.net/kuva/Puhelimien-kehitys/144711 | 09:39 |
| King_DuckZ | this one was the max for me http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/3918/nokia6600288ju.jpg but I'd have a hard time finding anything that small nowdays... if only it had 3G, I'd go pick it up from the drawer, get a new battery and use it again | 09:39 |
| King_DuckZ | kimmoli: lol great pic | 09:40 |
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| meklu | yeah, a smaller form factor would be nice | 09:42 |
| meklu | this is pretty much about as big a phone as I can imagine using | 09:42 |
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| King_DuckZ | can the jolla phone play ogg/flac music? or is there an app I can install for that? that's the biggest problem I had with the N8, I had to buy a separate device just for that | 09:45 |
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| meklu | it plays flac just fine | 09:47 |
| meklu | not sure about vorbis | 09:47 |
| meklu | (my entire music collection is flac) | 09:47 |
| kimmoli | this was announced today https://twitter.com/evilJazz/status/487384089176330240 | 09:49 |
| stephg | kimmoli: ooooooh | 09:50 |
| meklu | King_DuckZ: just checked, vorbis works too | 09:51 |
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| King_DuckZ | meklu: cool thanks | 09:52 |
| Nicd- | sadly it doesn't play apple lossless :< | 09:53 |
| meklu | pfft, whoever needs that? | 09:53 |
| Nicd- | Id o! | 09:53 |
| meklu | just sox it to flac! | 09:53 |
| Nicd- | I do* | 09:53 |
| King_DuckZ | Nicd-: lol what's that? ape? | 09:53 |
| Nicd- | King_DuckZ: alac | 09:53 |
| meklu | sox totallybad.alac totallyawesome.flac | 09:53 |
| Nicd- | ape is different | 09:53 |
| Nicd- | meklu: then my ipod won't play it :P | 09:54 |
| TemeV | how uses separate mp3 player anymore :) | 09:54 |
| meklu | your ipod doesn't share memory with your jolla, does it? | 09:54 |
| TemeV | *who | 09:54 |
| King_DuckZ | Nicd-: blame yourself for getting that :D I've got a sansa fuze, works great if a bit slow | 09:54 |
| Nicd- | TemeV: I do, the jolla player sucks and it would kill the battery life. also I don't have a 64 GB memory card | 09:55 |
| meklu | I listen to music during my commutes and I find it fine | 09:56 |
| meklu | then again all I need is shuffle all | 09:56 |
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| TemeV | I mainly listen to spotify, but I haven't noticed it using that much battery | 09:56 |
| Nicd- | I like my ipod as a player and I can push to last.fm with it. and no, the jolla doesn't cut it yet | 09:57 |
| TemeV | don't know if listening some lossless consumes more | 09:57 |
| King_DuckZ | Nicd-: I've got a usb portable battery for long trips, I carry it whenever I have a bag or backpack | 09:57 |
| Nicd- | additionally what jolla needs is continuous volume adjustment. not these big steps | 09:57 |
| meklu | again: who uses last.fm? D: | 09:57 |
| TemeV | I have a slider on my plugs <3 | 09:57 |
| meklu | scrobbling is silly | 09:57 |
| King_DuckZ | not me, no idea what it is either >.< | 09:57 |
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| meklu | you basically upload information that you've listened to a track | 09:58 |
| Nicd- | and get pretty stats, which I like looking at | 09:58 |
| TemeV | meklu: I agree :) | 09:58 |
| TemeV | I don't need stats to listen to music | 09:58 |
| TemeV | But scrobbling seems to be quite popular, so i guess some people find it useful :) | 09:59 |
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| Nicd- | so basically this is "how *dare* you do something different from how I do it?!" | 10:00 |
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| meklu | this is basically "how *dare* you bloat things?!" | 10:00 |
| meklu | :) | 10:00 |
| meklu | if you want stats, then okay, have stats | 10:01 |
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| meklu | not my issue | 10:01 |
| Nicd- | I dunno, my last iPod lasted like 3 or 4 phones. transferring my music to all of them (and configuring), now that would've been bloat | 10:01 |
| Nicd- | my current iPod is pretty new but I've still had 3 different phones in that time (N900 -> Lumia 900 -> Jolla) | 10:02 |
| TemeV | Nicd-: it was just "why do you complicate things". But that is just my point of view :) | 10:02 |
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| Nicd- | at this point listening to music with my Jolla would be complicating things | 10:02 |
| Jpel | quasarmx seems to support last.fm | 10:03 |
| TemeV | ok, fair enough | 10:03 |
| Nicd- | with the discrete volume control, not playing most of my music files, crashing apps due to full memory and reboots | 10:03 |
| Nicd- | and draining my battery life to boot | 10:03 |
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| Nicd- | would apparently cost 52 € for a 64 GB memory card, not worth it at this point | 10:09 |
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| lainwir3d | samsung should be at that price yeah | 10:09 |
| lainwir3d | The jolla player is enough for me, if only he supported AVRCP 1.3 (or I could retrieve playing metadata from it) | 10:10 |
| Jollyscurvyproyv | tying to enable ssu, but keeps failing with host requires authentication.. | 10:10 |
| Nicd- | "enable ssu"? | 10:10 |
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| Jollyscurvyproyv | gried verify my jolla acccount pass, create new user, whateveer, but no go :( | 10:11 |
| Jollyscurvyproyv | yes, the third party mer repos etc... | 10:12 |
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| kimmoli | the bottom option from dev mode page you mean? | 10:13 |
| stephg | (and you want mer-tools?) | 10:13 |
| kimmoli | or is this related to your needs? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92036 | 10:14 |
| kimmoli | that SSU on developermode settings is restricted access only | 10:15 |
| Jollyscurvyproyv | I even discovered a likely security issue when I was dumb enpugh to disable developer moda, forcetting anything abouyt aby key code, preventing me from reenabling it untill i knocked out the code hecker.. (any jolla staff with nterest of detaila, please contact me on my other irssi client under the nick proyvind) | 10:16 |
| Jollyscurvyproyv | yes the thing at the bottom | 10:16 |
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| Nicd- | don't use the developer updates, they're not for you | 10:18 |
| * special would like to get that renamed.. | 10:18 | |
| Jollyscurvyproyv | I'd like to take advantage of the comfy world of gnu/linux and rpm :) | 10:18 |
| Jollyscurvyproyv | and in what kind of positiob would you be to judge me on that subject? | 10:19 |
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| special | ? | 10:19 |
| Nicd- | I mean the developer updates are only for jolla employees | 10:19 |
| Jollyscurvyproyv | no | 10:20 |
| Nicd- | the one in the developer mode settings | 10:20 |
| Jollyscurvyproyv | they're for enabling third party packages outside of the store | 10:20 |
| kimmoli | nope | 10:21 |
| special | Jollyscurvyproyv: no, that is a separate setting called "Untrusted [something]" | 10:21 |
| Nicd- | they're for internal jolla use | 10:21 |
| special | developer updates is for internal jolla credentials. | 10:21 |
| Nicd- | you may be thinking of "Untrusted software", right next to the developer mode in the settings | 10:22 |
| stephg | Jollyscurvyproyv: iif you want the additional repos: for mer-tools: ssu ar mer-tools; ssu ur; pkcon refresh | 10:22 |
| Jollyscurvyproyv | you need to enable/authenticate for getting access to the mer rpm package tools | 10:22 |
| Jollyscurvyproyv | I've tried :( | 10:22 |
| stephg | Jollyscurvyproyv: no you don't | 10:22 |
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| meklu | what the heck are you on about | 10:22 |
| meklu | oh, they're gone already | 10:22 |
| Nicd- | hwat | 10:24 |
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| Jollyscurvyproyv | bah | 10:24 |
| stephg | Jollyscurvyproyv: really you don't need any auth to add mer-tools | 10:25 |
| Nicd- | Jollyscurvyproyv: the developer updates have nothing to do with mer repos, they are for internal jolla usage (for their own testers) | 10:25 |
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| Jollyscurvyproyv | hm, I migjt've made the false assumption as 'ssu' is a term/tool/whatever I`ve seen referred to ore than once to the topic I'm dealing with :) | 10:28 |
| special | 'ssu' manages repositories on the device in general | 10:28 |
| special | both public and not | 10:28 |
| Jollyscurvyproyv | yet, I'm not any more succesfull at enablinc third party packages.. | 10:29 |
| special | what sort of URLs does 'ssu lr' show? | 10:29 |
| Jollyscurvyproyv | gives me same authentication error.. | 10:29 |
| tbr | which firmware version? | 10:29 |
| Jollyscurvyproyv | lemme see | 10:29 |
| Jollyscurvyproyv | uhm, prolly latest, lemme check | 10:30 |
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| tbr | heh | 10:30 |
| Nicd- | he's multitasking the android way | 10:30 |
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| ln- | Jollyscurvyproyv: you know, you don't need to close irc to check something else in the phone. | 10:32 |
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| Jollyscurvyproyv | stupid android client | 10:32 |
| Jollyscurvyproyv | i know | 10:32 |
| Jollyscurvyproyv | but android support and all.. | 10:33 |
| stephg | hehe | 10:33 |
| Jollyscurvyproyv | 1.0.7.16 | 10:33 |
| Jollyscurvyproyv | I think I'll onvestigate this closer when I'm in front of computer, not just to pass time while getting a haircut.. :p | 10:34 |
| kimmoli | i just enabled developer mode, ssu ar mer-tools, ssu ur, pkcon refresh and i'm succesfully installing packages from mer-tools | 10:34 |
| kimmoli | on a very fresh install of 1.0.7.16 | 10:34 |
| Jollyscurvyproyv | right, lucky you then,not so much me :p | 10:35 |
| Jollyscurvyproyv | but that security hole to knock out the key code checker is still real regatdless though.. | 10:36 |
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| Jollyscurvyproyv | and quite trivial even.. | 10:37 |
| special | Jollyscurvyproyv: you could mail it to security@jolla.com | 10:37 |
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| Jollyscurvyproyv | maybe I,ll overcome my laziness and do one day;) | 10:48 |
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| inte | since Tizen is also somewhat MeeGo this is slightly OT but still an interesting read: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/07/11/moscow-developers-ponder-another-samsung-delay/ | 16:41 |
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| inte | just wanted to share | 16:41 |
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| inte | please dont kickban me :) | 16:41 |
| inte | seems like Samsung cant do what Jolla can ;) | 16:42 |
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| Venemo_j | hi stephg, what's up? | 17:39 |
| stephg | not alot, very quiet around here today, I think everyone is on holiday :) | 17:39 |
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| Venemo_j | hm | 17:42 |
| Venemo_j | I wish I were on holidax | 17:42 |
| Venemo_j | y | 17:42 |
| pdanek2 | What is height of Jolla display? | 17:42 |
| Teme | pretty much matches my index finger | 17:44 |
| Teme | accurate enough? :P | 17:44 |
| pdanek2 | Nope. :D | 17:44 |
| Venemo_j | pdanek2: you can calculate from the aspect ratio and the fact that it's a 4.5" display | 17:45 |
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| Venemo_j | simple math | 17:46 |
| stephg | hehe | 17:46 |
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| stephg | for help there are 2.54cm in 1" | 17:48 |
| stephg | (and now I gotta go) | 17:48 |
| Venemo_j | have a nice weekend! :) | 17:48 |
| King_DuckZ | I ordered mine | 17:49 |
| meklu | nice | 17:49 |
| King_DuckZ | how long does it take to receive it? | 17:49 |
| Teme | from the math it should be 16.16cm :P | 17:49 |
| meklu | for me it stayed within the country | 17:49 |
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| meklu | I ordered on a Thursday, it was sent on Friday, and at the local post office on Monday | 17:50 |
| meklu | arrived at* | 17:50 |
| Venemo_j | King_DuckZ: I have no idea. I have "the first one" | 17:50 |
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| King_DuckZ | ok, thanks, ttyl! | 17:50 |
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| Venemo_j | so I waited half a year to get it :P | 17:51 |
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| pdanek2 | Teme: that's about 6.36 inches, you can't have 4.5 inch diagonal and 6+ inch height :) | 17:53 |
| Teme | yeah i fucked up the unit conversion somehow.. 9.96 cm seems more right :D | 17:54 |
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| parasemic | anyone know how i could completely disable all 4G features? | 17:54 |
| Teme | considering it's 11.43 diagonally :P | 17:54 |
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| pdanek2 | Anyway, it should be about 3.9 inches I guess, height | 17:55 |
| Teme | yes | 17:55 |
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| pdanek2 | Because everyone is marketing just diagonal display size. | 17:59 |
| pdanek2 | And different phones have different aspect ratios. | 18:00 |
| pdanek2 | So inches don't represent display size. | 18:00 |
| pdanek2 | Instead, phones should be marketed by area in square inches. | 18:00 |
| pdanek2 | Right? | 18:01 |
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| AL13N | would it be possible to retry mounting with -o degraded if it fails? | 18:03 |
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| parasemic | anyone? i need to completely shut down all 4G features | 18:06 |
| Venemo_j | parasemic: go to settings | 18:06 |
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| parasemic | venemo_j: i mean more like hard disable through terminal | 18:07 |
| Venemo_j | parasemic: if you set 'prefer 3g' it will not try to connect to 4g | 18:08 |
| Venemo_j | isn't that good enough? | 18:08 |
| parasemic | no its not | 18:08 |
| parasemic | thats why im asking -.- | 18:08 |
| Venemo_j | why not? | 18:08 |
| parasemic | well, my jolla is completely useless since last update. i took it to warranty repair but it didn't help. the 3g connection turned to utter shit after the patch and after talking to some of my friends they seem to have same issues after changin to a phone that has 4g featured even when they dont use it | 18:09 |
| Venemo_j | hm | 18:10 |
| parasemic | so i want to completely disable the 4g to see if there is a hidden problem with the network in my area | 18:10 |
| Venemo_j | weird | 18:10 |
| parasemic | the 3g seems to go "idle mode" all the time, forcing me to do action before it wakes up | 18:10 |
| AL13N | oh, ic what you mean | 18:10 |
| parasemic | from time to time i cant be called even if i run full signal | 18:10 |
| parasemic | and opening a webpage takes ages, but when the first page is loaded, the connection is fine | 18:11 |
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| parasemic | i thought it was Jolla problem, which is obivously isnt as the whole antenna was replaced in repair | 18:11 |
| parasemic | then i thought it was sim card problem, but my N9 works flawless | 18:11 |
| parasemic | so only thing i see is the enabling of 4g, that seems to have caused issues elsewhere too | 18:12 |
| parasemic | the issues are so "small" that a common person would just shrug them off thinking "its just lagging", so only advanced user type people seem to agree with me | 18:12 |
| Venemo_j | hm | 18:13 |
| Venemo_j | I can imagine how annoying it is | 18:14 |
| parasemic | so, i think the operators or whoever administrates the 4g signal have fucked up something, and its disrupting 3g somehow if the device is capable of receiving a 4g | 18:14 |
| parasemic | or its intentional to drive people into updating | 18:14 |
| Venemo_j | dunno | 18:14 |
| Venemo_j | parasemic: maybe Aard can dig up something for you | 18:15 |
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| tbr | parasemic: that shouldn't be the case, especially if your contract isn't LTE enabled | 18:15 |
| parasemic | well, other people who too dont have LTE enabled say the same after their operator started to offer LTE, or they bought a phone that features LTE | 18:16 |
| Venemo_j | LTE is overrated | 18:17 |
| parasemic | the issues are basically the "going idle" thing, that seems to render me unavailable to call, and "micro lagging" so the connection constantly drops off and reconnects immediately | 18:17 |
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| Venemo_j | parasemic: these sometimes happen to me too... maybe it's just a jolla issue | 18:17 |
| tbr | parasemic: I currently have that situation and didn't notice any problems so far | 18:17 |
| parasemic | former makes my life miserable and i went back to N9, and latter breaks cutespotify because it disconnect every time the connection drops (every 1 minute) | 18:18 |
| Venemo_j | my jolla sometimes can't maintain a stable 3G connection and disconnects often | 18:18 |
| Venemo_j | very annoying when irc is dropped | 18:18 |
| tbr | this sounds much more like an operator specific problem to me. which your operator will likely deny, but taking it out on the jolla and flinging poo at it verbally is out of place. | 18:19 |
| parasemic | well, my jolla used to have stable 3G, but after the saapunki update, it just went downhill immediately | 18:19 |
| parasemic | the same day, straight after i walked out the door | 18:19 |
| Venemo_j | parasemic: ouch | 18:20 |
| parasemic | well, actually it drops it even if its laying on my table with full signal | 18:20 |
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| tbr | parasemic: which operator? | 18:21 |
| parasemic | DNA, ironically | 18:21 |
| Venemo_j | heh | 18:21 |
| meklu | ha | 18:21 |
| tbr | jolla has been using that a lot internally from what I've heard, so problems would very much surprise me. | 18:22 |
| parasemic | also, my friend who has jolla + DNA, said the same. the 3G went to shit right after saapunki | 18:22 |
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| tbr | would you _please_ watch your language, ktx | 18:22 |
| parasemic | sorry | 18:22 |
| parasemic | anyway, im still concidering the possibility there is something physically broken in my phone that they just didn't repair. ill go change my simcard too | 18:23 |
| tbr | btw: the 4G enable, from what I gathered was a simple config change. As people managed to enable 4G before. | 18:24 |
| parasemic | i dont think people managed to use 4G for calls before | 18:25 |
| tbr | because it's impossible | 18:25 |
| tbr | the phone will drop to GSM or WCDMA for CSD phone calls | 18:25 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | someone using bad apmlifier in the neighborhood? | 18:26 |
| parasemic | ah, didnt know that | 18:26 |
| tbr | VoLTE chipsets are barely making it to market now | 18:26 |
| parasemic | such an overhyper feature anyway | 18:26 |
| parasemic | hyped* | 18:26 |
| parasemic | 3G should be perfectly fine for almost any mobile usage | 18:27 |
| Aard | the higher upstream on 4g is quite nice | 18:27 |
| tbr | I actually very much enjoy the low latency and higher bandwidth of LTE | 18:27 |
| parasemic | sure, better is better | 18:27 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | sound quality should also be better | 18:27 |
| tbr | sound of what? | 18:28 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | call | 18:28 |
| tbr | your mp3 files being played back? | 18:28 |
| tbr | 18:25:56< tbr> the phone will drop to GSM or WCDMA for CSD phone calls | 18:28 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | well when both phones use LTE for calls | 18:28 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | i was speaking in general | 18:29 |
| Venemo_j | bye guys, have a nice weekend! | 18:30 |
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| parasemic | hmm, well if the 4G enabling isnt really useful, ill just get a new sim card, then if its not helping, drop the jolla back to repair | 18:30 |
| parasemic | then if its still not fixed, ill wait for next update to magically solve everything and make my life happy again | 18:31 |
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| pdanek1 | Did any of you guys actually put your Jolla to shelf and kept using your previous phone due to lack of something? | 18:33 |
| parasemic | well, i did. the lack of working 3g | 18:33 |
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| parasemic | forgot my alarm on, so its still reminding me of its existence every morning :D | 18:34 |
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| pdanek1 | hehe | 18:37 |
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| stephg | aaaand I'm back, hope you all missed me ;) | 18:56 |
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| AL13N | >_> | 18:57 |
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| pdanek1 | Any of you Sailors have or had iPhone before? | 19:29 |
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| special | pdanek1: yes, why? | 19:31 |
| pdanek1 | special: Do you still use it? If not, why did you give it away? | 19:32 |
| special | I sometimes do, because Jolla doesn't get 3/4G in my home country | 19:33 |
| special | pretty nice camera, too. | 19:33 |
| coderus | US? :) | 19:33 |
| special | mhm | 19:33 |
| coderus | that different bands sucks :) | 19:34 |
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| special | I'm in europe currently, so I tend to walk around with three phones | 19:35 |
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| special | iphone (because of imessage and a few other things), my primary-use jolla with a local SIM, and a development jolla. | 19:36 |
| coderus | having two jollas...eh.. | 19:38 |
| pdanek1 | special: interesting | 19:38 |
| special | coderus: the second one doesn't fully work most of the time | 19:38 |
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| pdanek1 | special: if 3g/4g would work on Jolla in US, would you give away your iPhone? or camera is still important factor? | 19:39 |
| special | which is its purpose | 19:39 |
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| special | pdanek: I like devices. | 19:40 |
| pdanek | special: sure, me too, I'm trying to stay objective to all platforms and phones | 19:40 |
| coderus | special: who can i ping about polkit stuff for enabling packagekit for my application? | 19:40 |
| special | coderus: no idea.. maybe thp knows something? | 19:41 |
| pdanek | and I do think that iPhone is amazing phone, although I have never owned it, neither I will (probably) | 19:41 |
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| kimmoli_sailing | whats wrong having two Jollas with you? | 19:41 |
| coderus | thp: you know something about polkit? | 19:41 |
| special | pdanek: I like apple's products, I use a macbook as my primary machine | 19:41 |
| special | iphone is of a similar kind of quality. | 19:41 |
| pdanek | kimmoli_sailing: he attached them together, back to back, via I2C, so he has a cluster | 19:42 |
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| kimmoli_sailing | need some kernel tweaks to get i2c slave to work | 19:42 |
| * coderus wondering who in Jolla is implementing those new restrictions and not writing any documentation for that? | 19:43 | |
| special | coderus: polkit is pretty standard, isn't it? | 19:43 |
| coderus | special: sure, everybody already using polkit in their projects, isn't it? :D | 19:43 |
| special | coderus: I mean that it's a standard feature of most linux distributions, and I doubt we're doing anything differently, so it should be well documented? | 19:44 |
| coderus | and after reading update8 changes just saying: "pfff, polkit, i'm eating polkit for breakfast every day, easy work" | 19:44 |
| kimmoli_sailing | with milk? | 19:44 |
| coderus | no milk, only pure polkit, only for hardcore gyus with kittens. | 19:45 |
| kimmoli_sailing | i see , not for bronies... | 19:46 |
| coderus | what is bronies?.. | 19:47 |
| coderus | this is unknown english word for me, and i'm not native english speaker, sorry :) | 19:48 |
| special | it's probably better that way.. | 19:51 |
| M4rtinK | policy kit ? | 19:51 |
| M4rtinK | that thing that has configuration files written in Javascript ? :) | 19:51 |
| coderus | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/polkit/ | 19:51 |
| M4rtinK | oh, so they just renamed it to polkit :) | 19:53 |
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| coderus | do anyone have good examples for writing application accessing polkit? | 20:05 |
| pdanek | special: which iPhone do you have? | 20:06 |
| special | 5s | 20:06 |
| pdanek | special: Do you feel significant difference in resolution against Jolla? | 20:07 |
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| pdanek | special: http://youtu.be/5R0_FJ4r73s | 20:08 |
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| coderus | first polkit and second iphone, please :) | 20:13 |
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| giucam | ipholkit | 20:21 |
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| lolek | hi guys | 21:12 |
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| lolek | a question, is there an option to install sailfish os on some devices that are currenlty on the market? I mean like getting the device I want and then switch the os to sailfish os? | 21:13 |
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| phlixi | lolek: http://jolla.com/ ...comes with sailfish preinstalled | 21:17 |
| phlixi | i guess thats knot what you meant though | 21:18 |
| lolek | phlixi: I know, but the prob is that Jolla is too big for me | 21:18 |
| lolek | the first time when I heard about it I really really wanted to buy the phone, until I saw how big it is and then I had the opportunity to get it into my hands ;) | 21:19 |
| phlixi | afaik jolla is the only one that comes with android app compatibility | 21:19 |
| lolek | isn't this a sailfish feature? | 21:19 |
| phlixi | besides that there are a lot of clips with sailfish on nexusa devices on youtube | 21:19 |
| lolek | which nexus? | 21:20 |
| phlixi | dont know | 21:20 |
| phlixi | probably 4&7, maybe other | 21:20 |
| lolek | too big either | 21:20 |
| lolek | max for me is about 60mm wide | 21:21 |
| phlixi | but can not think nof an n9/iphone form factor i have seen with sialfish (besides n9) | 21:21 |
| pdanek | lolek: I think the size of Jolla is OK, but it's very slippery, sometimes when using with 1 hand, I worry about dropping it, the grip should be better.... but this can be solved with alternative OH | 21:21 |
| lolek | pdanek: well the size is ok but not for me, really I've tried | 21:22 |
| phlixi | n9 is pretty much exactly 6cm | 21:22 |
| phlixi | and i too think the jolla is too big, no way to easily do one handed like n9 | 21:22 |
| lolek | pdanek: maybe I will quote Carsten "you've got small hands" ;) | 21:22 |
| lolek | anyway... so you guys are saying that it's not possible to install this on another device right now? | 21:23 |
| phlixi | unfortunately i think follow ups might have same dimensions because of TOH - i would highly prefer something smaller... seems like aple is the last one to build 4inch devices | 21:23 |
| lolek | phlixi: TOH? | 21:24 |
| phlixi | lolek: only thing that is limited to the jolla is android compatibility, other than that, sailfish runs e.g. on n9 | 21:24 |
| lolek | and yes, you're right apple is still building phones that are 6cm wide | 21:24 |
| phlixi | _T_he _o_ther _h_alf | 21:24 |
| pdanek | lolek: I think my hands are very average size, definitely bigger than average hands size in China and Jolla is supposed to be selling a lot in China | 21:24 |
| pdanek | it's all about grippiness | 21:25 |
| lolek | well... China is a little bit different market imho ;) | 21:25 |
| lolek | and about grippiness, you can do whatever you want but if the item you're trying to hold is too big, you can do nothing with it.. sadly :( | 21:25 |
| phlixi | in fact, i think n9 is perfect in terms of formfactor, dimensions materials, button possitions etc | 21:26 |
| lolek | phlixi: hehe,.. yea TOH... but regarding Apple .. device is good, but the OS is like 6 years old... still no support for bluetooth file sharing.. come on... ;) | 21:26 |
| phlixi | (ok, would prefer qi instead of that silly connector) | 21:26 |
| pdanek | phlixi: build design/quality wise, do you consider N9 better than Jolla? | 21:26 |
| lolek | phlixi: I can agree with you about n9 | 21:27 |
| lolek | phlixi: but only regarding the size of the device | 21:27 |
| phlixi | i think apple has the most advanced software, and anyone disagreeing with that , to mee seems like a hater. its just not true (and that said, i never will buy such locked down crap...) | 21:27 |
| pdanek | phlixi: I agree as well they have. | 21:27 |
| pdanek | It's just not for me. | 21:28 |
| lolek | um guys.. sorry but how can you say apple has the most advanced software while it still has a problems with mms and still can't support bluetooth file sharing, not to mention about real multithreading :/ | 21:28 |
| phlixi | pdanek: if i compare n9 to jolla, i think there is wpa wifi sharing as plus on the jolla, and androis compatibility (which i use for threema and nothing else). the rest is imho better on n9 | 21:28 |
| phlixi | ...but it is dead :-( | 21:29 |
| lolek | phlixi: can't we install sailfish on n9? | 21:29 |
| phlixi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ugb4vosobg | 21:30 |
| phlixi | little bit more that one click | 21:30 |
| lolek | dualboot? | 21:31 |
| phlixi | i wanted to try on my first 16gb n9, but so far time was always spend in other things (and probably will not try...) | 21:31 |
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| lolek | hmm | 21:33 |
| lolek | I see that I'll need Windows for that hmm | 21:33 |
| lolek | that will be a problem | 21:33 |
| phlixi | lolek: want to buy a blue 16gb n9? i just use it as clock (Low power screen) | 21:33 |
| lolek | lol | 21:34 |
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| lolek | will you pt sailfish on it?:) | 21:34 |
| phlixi | well, then i will use it as a clock | 21:34 |
| phlixi | :-) | 21:35 |
| phlixi | opposed to the video i do not think i would be able to do it in 8:30 minutes | 21:35 |
| lolek | :D | 21:35 |
| phlixi | and i do not think i will waste an hour or too and then well it^^ | 21:35 |
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| phlixi | ...and then sell it... | 21:35 |
| lolek | so, you did answered yourself :P | 21:35 |
| phlixi | ...with risk of maybe bricking it | 21:36 |
| phlixi | if you are not short ion time, you might want to buy a windows licence as well, i have some left :-) | 21:36 |
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| lolek | well | 21:36 |
| lolek | thank you for your offer, but I don't like Windows ;) | 21:37 |
| lolek | that's why I'm not using it | 21:37 |
| phlixi | i didnt whatch the video, i do not know if windows is actually neded | 21:37 |
| lolek | well they're using Windows tools so probably yes | 21:37 |
| lolek | btw, do you know what's the current state of sailfish encryption support? | 21:38 |
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| phlixi | what sort of encryption? besides wpa i guess the answer is no :) | 21:39 |
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| lolek | phlixi: I mean full device encryption like blackberry | 21:39 |
| lolek | phlixi: sailfish on N9 => https://github.com/romu70/sailfish-for-other/issues?state=open | 21:40 |
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| Nicd- | lolek: iOS supports multithreading, claiming it doesn't is stupid. it also supports multi*tasking*, though not necessarily in the way you want | 21:40 |
| phlixi | i think i migt have seen thread(s?) about truecrypt either on TJC or TMO, but not sure. asfaik there is nothing build in, except pin lock (ofcourse thats not what you had in mind ) | 21:41 |
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| lolek | Nicd-: right sorry.. my mistake a mind shortcut.. it was about multitasking | 21:41 |
| Nicd- | also, it not supporting true multitasking is a design choice | 21:41 |
| Nicd- | not a software limitation | 21:41 |
| lolek | well I wouldn't say that | 21:41 |
| Nicd- | if they wanted to give people real multitasking, they would have | 21:42 |
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| lolek | it's not an explanation | 21:42 |
| lolek | it doesn't have it. period. | 21:43 |
| Nicd- | that is true, but it is not because of their technical inability | 21:43 |
| Nicd- | it is simply because they don't want it | 21:43 |
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| phlixi | well, it sort of has (not in a technical way, that not the question) but also exposed in the ui, like you can listen to music while wrintg an email | 21:43 |
| lolek | well I'm just simple user, I need to use navigation while I'm driving a car and speaking through a phone if it's not supported then sorry, the phone is useless | 21:44 |
| phlixi | they just force the developer to think for the user | 21:44 |
| phlixi | (and sometimes the user does not want that) | 21:44 |
| phlixi | well, at least there is navigation ;-) | 21:44 |
| lolek | phlixi: you know that by saying this you say "users are not smart enough so we need to think for them" ?:) | 21:44 |
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| Nicd- | lolek: you can use navigation and talk on the phone at the same time | 21:45 |
| lolek | Nicd-: let me try to find one think | 21:45 |
| lolek | *thing | 21:45 |
| phlixi | lolek: i work in a software company (with 5 people in total, thus i have contact with customers) and 99% are dumb (when it comes to understanding and using computers | 21:45 |
| lolek | :D | 21:46 |
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| phlixi | one sohuld think today everybody has at least one computer (talking about pc/laptop, not embedded, like tv etc), and everyone below 40 should be able to understand a little bit... turns out, the majority is far away from that... most are able to click on facebook, and thats all... | 21:48 |
| phlixi | ...from that view, it makes sense to limit the user like apple does | 21:48 |
| phlixi | (and no, i do not want that crap^^) | 21:49 |
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| pdanek | phlixi: even phones are pretty much just Facebook terminals | 21:49 |
| phlixi | yep (besides mine, i do not even have an account) | 21:49 |
| lolek | me netiher (still looking for that one thing) | 21:50 |
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| Nicd- | related: http://www.lamebook.com/upside-down-folks/ :) | 21:51 |
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| phlixi | :) | 21:52 |
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| lolek | Nicd-: loool | 21:53 |
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| lolek | Nicd-: beat this: http://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/lectronicday.lasso?date=2014-05-23 | 21:56 |
| phlixi | tldr | 21:57 |
| Nicd- | so they crashed their boat because they couldn't use their navigator on an iPad? | 21:58 |
| lolek | guys broke the boat because his ipad didn't allow him to put in the background login into icloud dialog | 21:58 |
| phlixi | ^^ | 21:58 |
| Nicd- | bugs happen | 21:59 |
| lolek | and login didn't work because the signal strength was too weak and the dialog was poping up constantly | 21:59 |
| Nicd- | could've just hard reset the thing | 21:59 |
| lolek | it wouldn't work it's apple :D | 21:59 |
| lolek | device found network, but the signal was weak, and it was the main problem ;) | 21:59 |
| Nicd- | and I mean, if you crashing to shore is dependent on the functioning of a tablet, then maybe you shouldn't be sailing | 21:59 |
| lolek | probably they could turn on flight mode but | 21:59 |
| phlixi | kinda like the "select connection" on n9/jolla | 22:00 |
| lolek | well generally one of the reasons to stay away from IOS ;) | 22:00 |
| lolek | Nicd-: and as I mentioned earlier it's still not able to send files using bluetooth ;) | 22:00 |
| phlixi | there are no "files" on ios | 22:01 |
| Nicd- | and I didn't say anything about that | 22:01 |
| lolek | well | 22:01 |
| phlixi | its a design decision | 22:01 |
| lolek | looool | 22:01 |
| lolek | :D | 22:01 |
| lolek | xD | 22:01 |
| phlixi | you can send images etc | 22:01 |
| lolek | no you can't | 22:02 |
| lolek | https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3761385?tstart=0 | 22:02 |
| phlixi | at least you make decent ones | 22:02 |
| lolek | :) | 22:02 |
| phlixi | besides the possibility to make great photos (compared to other phones), you might want to have a look at this: http://www.redmondpie.com/airblue-for-ios-5-iphone-ipod-touch-ipad/ | 22:06 |
| lolek | erm... | 22:07 |
| lolek | and I need to pay for this... you're joking right?:) | 22:07 |
| lolek | and oh.. you need to jailbreak your phone :D | 22:08 |
| pdanek | "file transfer over BT is not supported directly" --> what? why? | 22:09 |
| pdanek | that's like ancient feature | 22:09 |
| pdanek | and not on iPhone? | 22:09 |
| lolek | probably it's "design decision" :) | 22:09 |
| phlixi | i can not see a price tag, and i would say, if you buy a device for 800$, whats the problem in buying software for 100$ as well? you get like 100-200 apps | 22:11 |
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| lolek | well it's not about the money | 22:15 |
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| lolek | it's about what you should get inside when you're buying something | 22:15 |
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| pdanek | iPhone 6 is gonna make big leap | 22:17 |
| pdanek | with the new sapphire glass, indestructible phone | 22:17 |
| phlixi | well, i find it amusing, to argue like that in the jolla channel. You get a low to mid range hardware for double the price with alpha software, missing a ton of features when you buy a jolla... on iphone you pay half more and get tons of stuff... maybe there are some weird features missing, but for those can get an app... | 22:18 |
| stephg | biggest missing feature being the openness. thanks but no thanks ;) | 22:19 |
| pdanek | Jolla isn't as open as I wish it would. | 22:19 |
| phlixi | thats the only thing you get on the jolla (and yes, i have chosen it) | 22:19 |
| lpotter | iphones are very fragile. I've dropped my jolla hard many many times | 22:19 |
| stephg | it's considerably more open than anything out of cupertino | 22:19 |
| pdanek | lpotter: I'm saying about iphone 6, I bet it's gonna be VERY sturdy | 22:20 |
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| pdanek | there was test of the new sapphire glass, indestructible | 22:20 |
| stephg | lpotter: me too, now have two very silvery top corners ;) | 22:20 |
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| Sailor356_ | i have a problem. top -d1 shows a process.called harbour-mitakuu. this process need so much cpu. i cant kill the process --» process not found | 22:21 |
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| stephg | kill $(ps -ef | grep harbour-mitakuu | grep -v grep | awk '{print $2}' | 22:22 |
| stephg | ) | 22:22 |
| lpotter | right... | 22:22 |
| stephg | or pkill harbour-mitakuu ;) | 22:23 |
| stephg | actually the latter doesn't seem to work | 22:24 |
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| Sailor356_ | pkill works fine thank you. i only tried killall | 22:25 |
| stephg | cool :) | 22:25 |
| * stephg will never, ever, use killall | 22:26 | |
| Sailor356_ | so why the process is still alive after closing mitakuuluu | 22:26 |
| stephg | ^^ coderus | 22:27 |
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| phlixi | by the way lolek: no windows required... http://www.jollausers.com/2013/12/sailfish-ported-to-n9-mini-tutorial/ | 22:49 |
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| lolek | phlixi: niceee | 22:56 |
| lolek | phlixi: I'll need to find out some N9 to try this out :] | 22:58 |
| phlixi | [2014-07-11 23:33:17] <phlixi> lolek: want to buy a blue 16gb n9? i just use it as clock (Low power screen) | 22:59 |
| phlixi | :D | 22:59 |
| lolek | lol | 22:59 |
| lolek | name the price | 22:59 |
| phlixi | but i am not keen to sell it if it is effort.. you can get them cheap on ebay | 22:59 |
| phlixi | make an offer | 23:00 |
| lolek | well probably it's cheaper in my country .. let me see | 23:00 |
| lolek | 50EUR is the cheapest one I see | 23:01 |
| lolek | erm, sorry .. mic is broken | 23:01 |
| lolek | ok 85 is the working one :D | 23:02 |
| lolek | also 16GB | 23:02 |
| lolek | phlixi: ^^ | 23:04 |
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| phlixi | shipping? | 23:05 |
| phlixi | it comes with unused original ear plugs | 23:05 |
| phlixi | i mean to which country? | 23:05 |
| lolek | PL | 23:05 |
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| lolek | shipping here is about 5EUR (next day shipping) | 23:06 |
| lolek | well 4-5... depends | 23:06 |
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| phlixi | 13,99 DHL Paket International | 23:07 |
| phlixi | ...i am pretty sure its possible to do cheaper ;) | 23:08 |
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| lolek | lol | 23:09 |
| phlixi | 8.79 without tracking and without insurance | 23:10 |
| phlixi | (GER to PL) | 23:10 |
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| phlixi | cash on delivery +5.50 | 23:11 |
| phlixi | express is 70eur ;_) | 23:12 |
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| lolek | phlixi: it's not worth it :D | 23:24 |
| lolek | ok, time on me, see ya | 23:24 |
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