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| inte` | chem|st: hope so too. At least they seem to still develop in qt/linux for here auto but on the other hand i haven't seen much of here auto since the anouncement | 00:01 |
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| inte` | last year | 00:01 |
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| inte` | we'll see | 00:01 |
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| send9 | /LOG OPEN -targets #jollamobile ~/irclogs/linux/linux-%Y-%m-%d | 05:23 |
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| ruskie | does there exists something like run-standalone.sh on sailfish? I want to run some dbus commands through cron but I'm guessing atm they aren't connecting to dbus to execute | 09:28 |
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| chem|st | ruskie: what user are you using? | 09:56 |
| chem|st | you might need to be nemo privileged | 09:56 |
| chem|st | I haven't done the dbus digging like on n900/n9 yet so actually no idea what is needed, but what user is needed for several things changed alot | 09:57 |
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| ruskie | chem|st, well I was able to run dbus-send via run-standalon.sh via cron on n900 | 10:02 |
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| ruskie | here I can run that command fin as nemo user | 10:02 |
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| ruskie | but I'm guessing it's lacking a dbus session to connect to | 10:03 |
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| Sail0r | how can i access notifications in the sailfish launcher | 12:49 |
| Sail0r | the sms sign stays on top even if the sms is read | 12:50 |
| Sail0r | and swiping from the bottom does not work for me | 12:51 |
| blablabla | reboot? | 12:52 |
| tbr | from the video I saw it looked like you need to get to the native android notification pulldown | 12:52 |
| blablabla | what does the sailfish launcher has to do with android? | 12:53 |
| blablabla | sms are native | 12:53 |
| Sail0r | yeah but a sms icon is shown in sailfish lauhcner ... | 12:53 |
| Sail0r | and this sign does not get removed even if i read the sms | 12:54 |
| blablabla | ah | 12:54 |
| blablabla | sailfish launcher is an app for android? | 12:54 |
| Sail0r | yep | 12:54 |
| Sail0r | it's a sailfish like launcher | 12:54 |
| blablabla | can i install it on my jolla? | 12:54 |
| Sail0r | why do you want it on jolla oO | 12:54 |
| blablabla | hehe | 12:55 |
| blablabla | :) | 12:55 |
| Sail0r | I have a jolla myself and the native implementation is way better ^^ | 12:55 |
| blablabla | jup i think so :) | 12:55 |
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| inte | does this apk work on *any* android phone? | 12:59 |
| Sail0r | only on 4.3 as far as I know | 12:59 |
| inte | and any device? | 12:59 |
| Sail0r | but on xda dev someone ported it to 4.2 | 12:59 |
| Sail0r | which also works on 4.1.2 | 12:59 |
| inte | i have a 9305 somewhere | 13:00 |
| Sail0r | but I cannot recommend it for a daily phone at the moment | 13:00 |
| inte | never used it though | 13:00 |
| Sail0r | I tested it on my samsung galaxy s2 | 13:00 |
| Sail0r | and it's not very usable | 13:00 |
| inte | so this is an app | 13:00 |
| Sail0r | like every launcher | 13:00 |
| inte | not a sailfish release for android phones? | 13:00 |
| Sail0r | aka homescreen | 13:00 |
| Sail0r | nope it's a launcher | 13:00 |
| inte | i dont know android | 13:01 |
| inte | what do you need a launcher for at all? | 13:01 |
| inte | and, again, this is not sailfishos for android devices but something different aka "launcher"? | 13:02 |
| Sail0r | every android device has a launcher | 13:03 |
| Sail0r | it's basically the ui look and feel | 13:04 |
| Sail0r | which can be changed | 13:04 |
| Sail0r | http://www.androidcentral.com/android-z-what-launcher | 13:04 |
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| inte | wasnt there a nokia(corp) launcher released as well? | 13:10 |
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| Sail0r | yep | 13:10 |
| Sail0r | zlauncher | 13:10 |
| inte | not the one from microsoft | 13:10 |
| Sail0r | https://www.zlauncher.com | 13:10 |
| inte | you tried that one? | 13:10 |
| Sail0r | nope | 13:10 |
| Sail0r | i tried the sailfish launcher | 13:11 |
| Sail0r | native sailfishos for my s2 would be cool | 13:12 |
| inte | maybe its better | 13:12 |
| inte | yeah | 13:13 |
| inte | as a spare phone | 13:13 |
| inte | anyways people should get themselv a jolla if they really want sailfishos | 13:13 |
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| inte | its only a little difficult since you cant get it through network providers yet | 13:14 |
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| inte | the z-launcher looks a bit like sfos imho | 13:17 |
| inte | is it written in qt? | 13:17 |
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| inte | http://www.newageman.co.uk/entertainment/18-reasons-be-thankful-you-didnt-get-glastonbury-ticket | 13:30 |
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| cxl000 | inte, To run Xwayland under sfos I expect you would need to at least implement some private protocol and Xwayland launcher and possibly need a newer version of wayland | 13:34 |
| inte | cxl000: thanks for the reply | 13:34 |
| inte | i guess its all about the compositor | 13:34 |
| inte | weston supports wayland while jolla utilizes lipstick | 13:35 |
| cxl000 | If you have a look at weston its a fairly small peice to add | 13:35 |
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| inte | maybe it is possible to drop lipstick and use weston instead? | 13:36 |
| inte | or patch lipstick | 13:36 |
| inte | mh | 13:36 |
| inte | is lipstick foss? | 13:36 |
| cxl000 | I don't have lipstick working anywhere at the moment so have not taken it any further | 13:36 |
| inte | oh no jolla phone yet... | 13:37 |
| cxl000 | Don't know if the version in sfos differs from that in nemomobile | 13:37 |
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| inte | cxl000: thanks | 13:38 |
| inte | so maybe the nemo people are in charge | 13:39 |
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| inte | do you know if there is anyone working on implementing it? | 13:39 |
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| cxl000 | Xwayland packages exist but I have not seen anyone working on integrating to the compositor | 13:41 |
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| inte | ok thanks | 13:42 |
| inte | i have an n900 as well but the last time i tried nemo the build was somewhat broken | 13:43 |
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| inte | oh, jolla is available through amazon uk now | 13:46 |
| inte | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jolla-Sim-Free-Smartphone-16GB-White/dp/B00HJA7A3Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1403983962&sr=8-1&keywords=jolla+smartphone | 13:46 |
| cxl000 | It's been awhile since I've tried nemo in any of my devices | 13:46 |
| inte | do they ship worldwide? | 13:47 |
| inte | cxl000: it just that i would like to have xskat on my jolla which relies heavily on Xlib | 13:47 |
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| inte | wouldn't mind porting that to qt but i couldn't find a straight forward tutorial on how to achieve that | 13:48 |
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| javispedro | if I want to make a daemon that runs alongside the user session, what is the most elegant way? | 14:28 |
| javispedro | (systemd question) | 14:28 |
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| javispedro | is there a preferred path for "user" unit files? is it under $HOME? is systemd user session support used at all? (doesn't seem like the case) | 14:28 |
| tbr | I thought quite some stuff was started as user by systemd | 14:29 |
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| javispedro | oh, I can see systemd --user indeed, probably killed it last time | 14:31 |
| javispedro | so I suppose the idea is then to just drop a file in /usr/lib/systemd/user/ and it'll be picked up in the next boot? | 14:31 |
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| special | javispedro: files placed in /usr/lib/systemd/user/ are part of the user session, yes | 14:51 |
| special | they're noticed immediately, or after 'systemctl --user dameon-reload' for changes to existing services | 14:51 |
| special | they are *not* started automatically | 14:51 |
| javispedro | afaiu I need to "enable" them beforehand | 14:51 |
| javispedro | ? | 14:51 |
| javispedro | if I'm reading correctly there are some rpm macros (at least in fedora) that should do that automatically | 14:52 |
| javispedro | however I was perusing https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/tracker/blob/master/rpm/tracker.spec#L165 | 14:52 |
| javispedro | and it seems to be doing this the "non-macro" way | 14:53 |
| javispedro | not sure if this is the correct way or if I just got a bad example | 14:53 |
| special | we generally symlink into user-session.target.wants, yes | 14:54 |
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| special | make sure the dependencies and all in your .service are correct too | 14:55 |
| special | you can cause quite a bit of damage with badly written systemd dependencies | 14:55 |
| javispedro | since I'm using "special" targets it's hard to say | 14:56 |
| special | mm? | 14:56 |
| javispedro | basically I have Requires=dbus.socket bluetooth.target | 14:56 |
| special | does bluetooth.target exist on device? | 14:56 |
| special | (systemctl --user status bluetooth.target) | 14:56 |
| javispedro | yep, and it actually works | 14:56 |
| special | ok. And you don't use UI or anything? | 14:57 |
| special | no QGuiApplication? | 14:57 |
| javispedro | nope, just core | 14:57 |
| special | probably ok then, add After=dbus.socket bluetooth.target too | 14:57 |
| special | 'Requires' in systemd means 'you need to start those when this is started, and stop this if those are stopped' but it does not define the order in which things start and stop | 14:58 |
| javispedro | aha | 14:58 |
| special | usually having After= too is what you actually want. | 14:58 |
| javispedro | I have no idea why bluetooth.target works :) | 14:59 |
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| javispedro | I ponder if my service keeping a Require on bluetooth.target will cause systemd to keep bluetooth.target on even if bluetooth is off | 15:00 |
| special | it will start bluetooth.target if your service is started, yes | 15:00 |
| special | ls -la /usr/lib/systemd/user/bluetooth.target/ | 15:00 |
| javispedro | that's weird, the documentation says "This target is started automatically as soon as a Bluetooth controller is plugged in or becomes available at boot" | 15:01 |
| javispedro | but I can also sysctl stop/start it | 15:01 |
| javispedro | aaaaaaaah | 15:01 |
| javispedro | started. | 15:01 |
| javispedro | says nothing about stopped :) | 15:01 |
| javispedro | so it does not do what I thought :) | 15:01 |
| special | if you want to run a service whenever bluetooth is enabled.. that's probably possible but I don't know what you'd need for our device specifically | 15:02 |
| javispedro | well, doesn't matter, I think I can live with the daemon not being stopped when bt is off. | 15:02 |
| javispedro | yeah, sorry | 15:02 |
| javispedro | on gentoo bluetooth target behaves that way -- it is stopped when device is removed -- so I was wrongly assuming things | 15:03 |
| special | well, technically the device is always there on a phone ;) | 15:03 |
| MoritzJT | Good to know :-) | 15:03 |
| special | it's just powered on or not | 15:03 |
| poseidon_ | is gentoo using systemd now? | 15:03 |
| poseidon_ | I thought it had its own init system | 15:03 |
| javispedro | no, it's (still?) not systemd. | 15:04 |
| javispedro | there's also an interesting detail | 15:05 |
| javispedro | I can't really call systemd --user start from the rpm scripts, as uid is obviously not nemo | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | we have some helpers for that | 15:05 |
| special | be careful doing so | 15:06 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: happen to know any nemo package using them? | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | not offhand | 15:07 |
| special | it's bad if you let your rpm scripts fail based on whether the user session is running | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | you can prolly rpm -qa --scriptlets etc | 15:07 |
| special | and it's bad if you accidentally bring up the user session from an rpm script. | 15:07 |
| javispedro | heh. | 15:07 |
| special | https://github.com/nemomobile/voicecall/blob/master/rpm/voicecall-qt5.spec#L96 | 15:08 |
| javispedro | interesting | 15:09 |
| javispedro | I see that the systemd-user script takes care of checking whether the session is active | 15:09 |
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| javispedro | yep, it works great! | 15:21 |
| javispedro | thanks special Stskeeps | 15:22 |
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| javispedro | now I have bluetooth GPS working in time for holiday =) | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | rfcomm? | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | please do share | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:24 |
| javispedro | GPS "emulator", ie Jolla -> RFCOMM -> $OTHER_DEVICE | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 15:24 |
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| Stskeeps | as in, external GPS support; or use a jolla as the gps | 15:25 |
| javispedro | "Use the Jolla as GPS" | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 15:25 |
| javispedro | I understand the other direction is interesting too but I have no other device | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | would be nice for my galaxy gear oto | 15:25 |
| javispedro | *GPS device | 15:25 |
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| javispedro | at least it means qtlocation and qtbluetooth (5.1) work quite well | 15:26 |
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| TMavica | coderus: here? | 15:52 |
| chem|st | I need to sopt trolling tjc :) | 15:55 |
| chem|st | stop... | 15:55 |
| javispedro | I wish one could just click "build SRPM" in QtC and then submit to OBS. | 15:59 |
| Aard | javispedro: even better stuff coming up -- webhooks for everyone. if you have your project in git you just connect it to obs via webhook/source service, and just tag whenever you want a new version on obs | 16:02 |
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| javispedro | nice idea indeed | 16:03 |
| javispedro | I seem to remember there was some way to fetch sources from git in meegoOBS but never managed to get it to work :) | 16:04 |
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| coderus | TMavica: not yet, but you can ask | 16:04 |
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| cvp_ | hi@all | 16:05 |
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| javispedro | is sailfish_latest_armv7hl repository on build.merproject.org supposed to work already? | 16:20 |
| javispedro | I am getting "nothing provides pkgconfig(sailfishapp) >= 1.0.2" and the like | 16:21 |
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| coderus | TMavica: and now ;m here finally :) | 16:28 |
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| cvp_ | coderus, any new project ? :) | 16:31 |
| cvp_ | i am very happy with icq :) | 16:32 |
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| kimmoli_sailing | tbr: flushes getting kinda big? | 16:39 |
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| inte | icq? | 16:49 |
| oh8gnz | is someone still using icq ;) | 16:49 |
| oh8gnz | haven't heard anyone talkin about it for a decade | 16:49 |
| cvp_ | ^^ yeah some of my friends use it :P | 16:51 |
| cvp_ | and coderus creat a icq extansions for sailfish | 16:51 |
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| TMavica | coderus: liqstick if crashed, mitakuuluu will lost all setting and register again, is known? | 16:54 |
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| tbr | kimmoli_sailing: big business was big. ;-) | 17:17 |
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| Bawal | TMavica: uh so that's what causes mitakuuluu stop working? | 17:18 |
| Bawal | :O | 17:18 |
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| Bawal | i've been wondering what it was, i thought it was some update that messed mitakuuluu up | 17:19 |
| juiceme | hi, any dbus-on-jolla gurus around...? | 17:19 |
| Bawal | but lipstick indeed crashed and could be it was after that mitakuuluu went crazy | 17:19 |
| Bawal | hasn't been working since | 17:19 |
| Bawal | authentication fails and can't even re-register | 17:19 |
| juiceme | Is it possible to trigger email update via a dbus command? | 17:19 |
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| juiceme | There's loads of stuff happening when I do a dbus-monitor and trigger update manually, but I just cannot find out which of the messages does the trick... | 17:20 |
| juiceme | As far as I understand the architecture, when I for example swipe left on the minimized email client icon, the UI component sends the update message to the backend email application. However I cannot make heads or tails on the protocol used there... | 17:22 |
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| Sail0r | dbus-monitor shows every dbus event | 17:24 |
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| juiceme | Sail0r, it does indeed, a load of stuff. | 17:27 |
| juiceme | however, I cannot extract what is the relevant bit out there. | 17:27 |
| juiceme | and how to replay it with dbus-send :( | 17:27 |
| juiceme | lots of the dbus messages involve "org.nemo.transferengine", is that the bit in the UI reacting to gesture events? | 17:29 |
| juiceme | I'm fairly sure this message is the one that triggers the update on the client: | 17:31 |
| juiceme | signal sender=:1.20 -> dest=(null destination) serial=106 path=/ServiceType/e_2dmail; interface=com.google.code.AccountsSSO.Accounts; member=AccountChanged | 17:31 |
| juiceme | however, it has a load of parameters that I cannot understand how to formulate to a dbus-send command | 17:32 |
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| juiceme | what I can do, for example, is to send a dbus command to open inbox: /usr/lib/qt5/bin/qdbus com.jolla.email /com/jolla/email/ui com.jolla.email.ui.openInbox "" | 17:44 |
| juiceme | However, why is there nos similar simple command that I could issue to check if I have new mail?? | 17:44 |
| special | juiceme: I don't know the answer exactly, but I can give you a few hints | 17:45 |
| juiceme | special, I would be most grateful :) | 17:45 |
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| special | transferengine is unrelated, that is the sharing framework | 17:46 |
| special | email backend is handled by qmf, sometimes called messageserver5 | 17:46 |
| juiceme | okay | 17:46 |
| special | the closed source part is pretty much just UI and QML | 17:46 |
| special | almost any logic, including communicating with QMF, is likely in https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugin-email | 17:46 |
| juiceme | does that include the bits where it talks to DBUS? | 17:47 |
| coderus | cvp_: no project | 17:48 |
| coderus | even have no time for mitakuuluu | 17:48 |
| coderus | TMavica: ah, that the reason of massive bugreports about settings loss :D | 17:49 |
| coderus | TMavica: i have plans to switch to dconf from qsettings, it should help | 17:49 |
| coderus | will release it in a month or so :D | 17:50 |
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| cvp_ | coderus: want it one ? :oP | 17:51 |
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| special | juiceme: I'm not sure of the details, look around the code and if you get stuck the sailfish-devel mailing list might be helpful | 17:51 |
| coderus | cvp_: ? | 17:52 |
| coderus | Bawal: seems so, can you email me your /home/nemo/.config/coderus/mitakuuluu2.conf file? | 17:52 |
| coderus | after that remove this file and you can re-register again | 17:52 |
| coderus | i want to check what exactly broking in config after lipstick crash | 17:53 |
| coderus | when lipstick crash all applications closing with unexpectedly reasons and it's hard to track it properly, because compositor dying and apps exiting randomly | 17:54 |
| juiceme | special, yes, I found it... if it looks like I'd like to add an iterface there, is it possible to compile that and replace the backend bit on my Jolla, without knowledge of the closed source bit? | 17:54 |
| coderus | if i can get any of your configs after that crash i can track what part of code writing bad data to settings on crash | 17:54 |
| cvp_ | coderus: missing a hyperion app for sailfish :) (a RGB LED controll app) | 17:54 |
| coderus | cvp_: i have no time for development now | 17:55 |
| coderus | i need money for life :D | 17:55 |
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| cvp_ | coderus: oh ok :( | 17:57 |
| Bawal | coderus: ok let's see. though i've reinstalled the app a few times and tried renaming database files if that'd helped, so i don't know if that messes up the info u'd get from .conf... it's still not authenticating tho, so the problem still exists | 17:57 |
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| Bawal | coderus: i've sent email to coderusinbox@gmail.com | 18:07 |
| Bawal | will try now delete the .conf and re-register | 18:07 |
| juiceme | special, there's something that looks like it might be related. In the file emailagent.cpp there is an interface function "void EmailAgent::accountsSync(const bool syncOnlyInbox, const uint minimum)" | 18:08 |
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| coderus | Bawal: database is just your contacts and messages, it doesnt contain settings :) | 18:09 |
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| Bawal | actually it was also the android import that was messing things up :O | 18:11 |
| Bawal | i removed the .conf (or renamed, anyways) and at startup it wanted to do an android impor, informed the import was successful but failed to connect afterwards | 18:12 |
| Bawal | second time i renamed the .conf i cancelled the android import and registered, now it works! | 18:12 |
| Bawal | yay | 18:12 |
| Bawal | thank you coderus | 18:12 |
| coderus | Bawal: so, you had android whatsapp registered? | 18:15 |
| Bawal | initially yes before i found mitakuuluu, removed it before switched | 18:16 |
| coderus | Bawal: so, you removed android whatsapp after that? | 18:19 |
| Bawal | if i remember correctly i removed it first, but i'm not 100% sure | 18:20 |
| coderus | okay, probably it still keep app settings files | 18:20 |
| coderus | check iff /data/data/com.whatsapp/files/me exists | 18:21 |
| TMavica | thanks | 18:24 |
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| Bawal | coderus: yes it does | 18:25 |
| inte | where can i find this icq extension? | 18:25 |
| coderus | Bawal: okay, that the reason :D | 18:28 |
| coderus | Bawal: seems i should check first if android whatsapp is installed :D | 18:29 |
| coderus | inte: https://github.com/CODeRUS/haze-accounts-extensions | 18:29 |
| Bawal | coderus: should i remove or rename that file to prevent future probs? | 18:29 |
| Nicd- | coderus: have you gotten bug reports about the mitakuuluu 100% CPU issue? | 18:29 |
| coderus | Bawal: you can remove whole folder | 18:30 |
| coderus | /data/data/com.whatsapp/ | 18:30 |
| coderus | Nicd-: over 9000 times | 18:30 |
| Bawal | ok thanks! | 18:30 |
| Nicd- | ok :) | 18:30 |
| juiceme | special, now as far as I understand all the dbus functionality is elsewhere, not on the nemo-qml-plugin-email part itself. | 18:31 |
| juiceme | might be it is on the closed-source part :( | 18:31 |
| special | the closed source code is almost entirely QML | 18:32 |
| juiceme | well, I could not find anything dbus-related on the sources. Or else I don't really understand how it is implementd...? | 18:33 |
| special | qmf is a library, which I think n-q-p-email is using? the answer is probably somewhere in that code | 18:34 |
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| special | I'd guess some of the emailagent functions, but I can't really look this evneing. | 18:40 |
| special | evening* | 18:40 |
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| inte | coderus: thanks! | 18:53 |
| coderus | any way to check if android app installed? | 18:55 |
| coderus | i have no proper solution for now | 18:55 |
| coderus | checking dex cache or desktop files seems not best | 18:56 |
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| Yaniel | I can't see my caldav calendar in the calendar app | 19:14 |
| Yaniel | the calendar shows up in settings->accounts->my test caldav | 19:15 |
| Yaniel | (the server is radicale) | 19:15 |
| Yaniel | ahh, there it is | 19:18 |
| Yaniel | just took quite a while to show up | 19:18 |
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| slate | Hmm, Jolla launcher on galaxy gear was a neat test. Does not scale correct though. :p | 19:29 |
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| Yaniel | yay, caldav works with radicale | 19:33 |
| Yaniel | at least it syncs events in two directions and uses ssl | 19:33 |
| slate | http://1drv.ms/1r1IdHO | 19:34 |
| Yaniel | ...but I had to type https://my.server.address as the server address | 19:34 |
| Yaniel | instead of just my.server.address and ticking a box that says "use SSL" | 19:34 |
| Yaniel | is settings->accounts the only place where I can manually synchronize the account? | 19:37 |
| Yaniel | or does it work for example from the events feed screen | 19:37 |
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| cvp_ | slate: is it the android launcher ? :D | 19:52 |
| cvp_ | i mean , the sailfish launcher on android | 19:53 |
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| slate | cvp_: yup | 20:06 |
| slate | I need a way to adjust the menu grid to make it usable :) | 20:07 |
| slate | grid-size does not scale to resolution | 20:07 |
| slate | on nexus I'd like more rows and cols, on gear, well, a lot less. | 20:08 |
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| slate | I hope this server gives more stable connection.. | 20:20 |
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