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| chem|st | Stskeeps: I may add another fedex story to the pool in the near future - asked fedex to track my package, will see if they can hold up to deliver today or if the package really is still on the pickup-truck^^ | 08:23 |
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| chem|st | sledges: qi receiver arrived, looks like this needs some hand cutting effort as you said, I might need to break one to figure out how to bend it in the right place | 08:24 |
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| chem|st | distance of connectors seems far off | 08:25 |
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| juiceme | morning Sailors :) | 08:27 |
| juiceme | yesterday I had some questions on using dbus messages to trigger email update process... anyone have any ideas on that? | 08:28 |
| chem|st | hey juiceme | 08:28 |
| juiceme | chem|st, morning | 08:28 |
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| Nicd- | ouch. seems notification sounds are on full volume when using headphones even if you set the volume to really low with the volume rocker | 08:29 |
| chem|st | Nicd-: 'sometimes' | 08:29 |
| chem|st | killed me when using a BT earpiece | 08:29 |
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| chem|st | but it seems to be at random, and if you reproduce, sometimes it seems to recognize that it is to loud (after 750ms or so) | 08:30 |
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| chem|st | and turn down just beyond cracking the speaker | 08:31 |
| chem|st | below... | 08:31 |
| * chem|st is going to seek coffee injection stations on his floor | 08:32 | |
| chem|st | juiceme: you might be better off in #sailfishos but why don't you record one of the calls the automation does, or doesn't it do any dbus calls? | 08:35 |
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| chem|st | remember that this might be privileged or even nemo and not root | 08:36 |
| Nicd- | hey tbr, just saw you on the street :o | 08:37 |
| Nicd- | (not creepy in the slightest way) | 08:37 |
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| slate | Okay, jolla launcher for android detects stock camera apk by name and redirects the pulley shortcut etc to it? How to change it, since the Gear does not have the usual camera apk | 08:40 |
| slate | I already found the app-grid sorting for stock apps, but how about the lockscreen pulley | 08:41 |
| Nicd- | #sailfishos is for android stuff afaik | 08:41 |
| chem|st | sledges: don't know if you have it but on Jolla it is ins Settings -> Shortcuts | 08:41 |
| slate | I know, but stskeeps is on both of these channels | 08:41 |
| slate | :) | 08:41 |
| Nicd- | but Stskeeps is not the only one that could answer your question | 08:42 |
| chem|st | sledges: sorry mispinged :/ | 08:42 |
| Nicd- | he's not going to get any work done if we all bug him here :P | 08:42 |
| slate | Nicd-: true.dat | 08:42 |
| chem|st | slate: Stskeep is not the right poc afaik | 08:42 |
| slate | chem|st: got it, cant access these on the launcher. | 08:42 |
| chem|st | slate: maybe in a later version | 08:42 |
| slate | probably. | 08:42 |
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| juiceme | chem|st, the thing is it is pretty complicated, What I have done is ran dbus-monitor, and then did a manual update of email. It does create many messages on the DBUS but my problem is I cannot really identify what is the actual message that triggers the update, as there are lots of thingys related to the UI change. | 08:47 |
| juiceme | and I find DBUS pretty complicated to send by hand, I cannot create a valid message to send by dbus-send or qdbus ... | 08:48 |
| dr_gogeta86 | vmtouch | 08:48 |
| dr_gogeta86 | why socks so much cpu ? | 08:48 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is usefull ? | 08:48 |
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| chem|st | juiceme: once my device is back and if I am not on vacation right afterwards I might help you out, it might not be as easy as calling the location daemon for a street address conversion from coordinates... | 08:53 |
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| chem|st | juiceme: if you provide me with a log I may have a look later on today | 08:54 |
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| juiceme | chem|st, thanks. | 08:56 |
| chem|st | that location stuff was actually the last time I did that stuff so it might take me a bit | 08:56 |
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| slate | hmm, sideloaded the stock camera to gear and now the launcher shows it in the pulley o/ | 08:59 |
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| inte | While we are discussing watches | 09:03 |
| inte | does anybody know if the Android wear interface is FOSS? | 09:03 |
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| inte | I like the Moto360 smartwatch but of course only if someone would make an interface for Jolla :) | 09:04 |
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| juiceme | chem|st, here's a log of manually triggering the refresh: http://www.swagman.org/juice/dbus_log_of_email_refresh | 09:41 |
| juiceme | as much as I am able to understand, the meat is on the message "signal sender=:1.20 -> dest=(null destination) serial=141 path=/ServiceType/e_2dmail; interface=com.google.code.AccountsSSO.Accounts; member=AccountChanged" | 09:42 |
| juiceme | probably. | 09:42 |
| special | no | 09:44 |
| special | that is accounts framework, it handles authentication and settings and such but doesn't actually make connections to anything | 09:44 |
| special | qmf uses it to authenticate to the mail server | 09:44 |
| special | juiceme: It's entirely possible that the call to sync is happening over something other than dbus, through qmf's libraries. | 09:45 |
| w00t_ | what's the problem? | 09:46 |
| special | trying to find out how to trigger email sync, I believe | 09:46 |
| juiceme | exactly. | 09:46 |
| w00t_ | buteo | 09:46 |
| w00t_ | https://github.com/nemomobile/buteo-sync-plugins-email | 09:46 |
| special | what does email do for a manually triggered sync? | 09:46 |
| w00t_ | manually as in you open the application and tell it to sync? | 09:47 |
| special | yes | 09:47 |
| w00t_ | pretty sure that's using qmf directoy to talk to messageserver | 09:47 |
| w00t_ | directly | 09:47 |
| juiceme | okay, let me phraze what I'm about. | 09:47 |
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| juiceme | I want to trigger email sync from cronjob. | 09:47 |
| special | cron? buteo handles scheduled email sync | 09:48 |
| juiceme | so, I thought of replaying the dbus message that does the thing when you left-swipe the email icon. | 09:48 |
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| juiceme | the thing with the email sync is that it does not work the way I want it to. | 09:49 |
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| juiceme | I want frequent syncincg on weekdays on office time, less frewquent on outside-office-time and no automatic sync on weekends/holidays/etc | 09:50 |
| juiceme | so, easiest thing for me is to have that done via cron. | 09:50 |
| special | is this a basic email account, or exchange? | 09:51 |
| juiceme | basic IMAP account | 09:51 |
| special | exchange accounts do have those settings | 09:51 |
| juiceme | but it should not matter, exchange probably would work same way | 09:51 |
| special | peak time, peak days, and different schedules for peak and off-peak sync | 09:52 |
| juiceme | ya, but the reason I am not using the automatic sync currently is because the IMAP mailbox can only be scheduled with just one sync rate. | 09:52 |
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| juiceme | my thought is; why should an email clienbt know anything about sync schedules, since we already have cron that can do the studd on its behalf | 09:53 |
| special | well, as I understand it, buteo (sync framework) handles scheduling and sync for email updates | 09:54 |
| juiceme | hmm typos; s/clienbt/client/ s/studd/stuff/ | 09:54 |
| special | the mail client can manually trigger syncs, but that is a separate process | 09:54 |
| special | jolla-email is only running if the UI is up; buteo is a background process | 09:54 |
| juiceme | how do I access buteo? | 09:54 |
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| special | I don't really know. Code is at https://github.com/nemomobile/buteo-syncfw and https://github.com/nemomobile/buteo-sync-plugins-email | 09:56 |
| special | https://github.com/nemomobile/buteo-sync-plugins-email/blob/master/xmls/sync/syncemail.xml#L12 looks interesting - I wonder if it has more elaborate schedule support that just isn't exposed? | 09:56 |
| special | I think VDVsx is on holiday. | 09:57 |
| juiceme | ah, I get 3 hits for that on Jolla; | 09:59 |
| juiceme | [root@Jolla nemo]# find / | grep syncemail.xml | xargs ls -l | 09:59 |
| juiceme | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 128 2014-03-17 16:40 /etc/buteo/profiles/client/syncemail.xml | 09:59 |
| juiceme | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 639 2014-03-17 16:40 /etc/buteo/profiles/sync/syncemail.xml | 10:00 |
| juiceme | -rw-r--r-- 1 nemo privileged 675 2014-06-09 23:11 /home/nemo/.cache/msyncd/sync/syncemail.xml | 10:00 |
| juiceme | [root@Jolla nemo]# | 10:00 |
| chem|st | juiceme: have you tried the "createSync" dbus? | 10:00 |
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| juiceme | seems I might get some results via editing one of those... IF it is possible to define more complex syncing | 10:01 |
| special | fwiw I don't think there is a standard cron daemon on sailfish | 10:01 |
| special | scheduled operations happen via systemd, buteo (for sync), timed (for alarms), and some lower level mechanisms | 10:02 |
| juiceme | chem|st, I cannot formulate the correct DBUS message to do that :( | 10:02 |
| juiceme | special, I've got my own cron running. :) | 10:02 |
| special | it might not behave the way you expect | 10:02 |
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| juiceme | and it runs true, linked with the libiphb bits | 10:03 |
| special | ah, good | 10:03 |
| special | the other factor would be network connectivity, I guess. | 10:03 |
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| juiceme | I did fairly extensive testing on it, and it triggers every time, whatever the state of the device is. | 10:04 |
| juiceme | for network connectivity, I mostly always have that. and when not, it's easy to test it. And besides, I think the only downside of trying to sync when not connected is just getting "unable to connect" on the client. | 10:05 |
| chem|st | dbus-send --session --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.nemo.transferengine /org/nemo/transferengine org.nemo.transferengine.createSync string='juice' | 10:05 |
| chem|st | ehrm string: not = | 10:06 |
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| chem|st | I think that triggers something else as transferengine is from my understanding one layer to far down | 10:07 |
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| juiceme | chem|st, that does not work; "Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: No such method 'createSync' in interface 'org.nemo.transferengine' at object path '/org/nemo/transferengine' (signature 's')" | 10:07 |
| chem|st | yeah you probably need to send all fields, even those empty | 10:08 |
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| chem|st | but I cannot even tell if "transferengine" is the right path - is buteo registered as transferengine or is that some other meta? | 10:09 |
| juiceme | i have no clue on that :) | 10:10 |
| special | transferengine is https://github.com/nemomobile/transfer-engine | 10:10 |
| special | buteo is also called msyncd | 10:10 |
| special | separate things, but closely related | 10:11 |
| juiceme | okay. I kind of guessed "transferengine" would be some gadget reacting to the UI events or something. | 10:11 |
| special | (sorry I can't be more useful, this is outside my areas of expertise and I don't have time to dig personally) | 10:12 |
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| juiceme | hmm, msyncd exposes a lot of functions over dbus. (/usr/lib/qt5/bin/qdbus com.meego.msyncd /synchronizer gives a pageful of data) | 10:13 |
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| chem|st | juiceme: the trigger you want to watch is what happens when buteo gets called in bg, not what happens when you trigger it from the mail app | 10:14 |
| juiceme | okay. | 10:15 |
| chem|st | if you know what the profile is called, an example of a syncml sync is here https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Buteo/FWClient_Example | 10:16 |
| juiceme | ahh, thanks. It seems that the very thing on the bottom of that page is a way of syncinc "something" via a dbus trigger? | 10:18 |
| juiceme | but how to define the "something" == the email client... | 10:19 |
| chem|st | syncemail | 10:19 |
| chem|st | dbus-send --session --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.meego.msyncd /synchronizer com.meego.msyncd.startSync string:'syncemail' | 10:19 |
| juiceme | OMG that works! | 10:20 |
| juiceme | chem|st, special, thank you :) | 10:20 |
| juiceme | you just made my day :) | 10:20 |
| special | \o/ | 10:20 |
| chem|st | hail dbus | 10:20 |
| juiceme | all hail dbussers :) | 10:21 |
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| chem|st | I thought the transferengine is what is called but that is only called directly if used by the mail app, thanks for the buteo hint | 10:21 |
| juiceme | I knew it could be done via dbus, but it turns out to be pretty simple tooo.. excellent | 10:21 |
| juiceme | yes. | 10:21 |
| juiceme | need to look into that deeper, for what else it could be used for :) | 10:22 |
| chem|st | you can also use the transferengine directly but you need to pass all strings correctly I think | 10:22 |
| Yaniel | hmm caldav does not sync :( | 10:22 |
| chem|st | Yaniel: with that string? that is email... | 10:22 |
| juiceme | did you try similar as with email | 10:22 |
| Yaniel | didn't try via command line yet | 10:23 |
| juiceme | yes I think you need to figure the correct process for caldav | 10:23 |
| juiceme | ok | 10:23 |
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| Yaniel | but it should have automatically synced since i set it to custom{15min, 1h} yesterday | 10:24 |
| juiceme | time for lunch. thanks guys :) | 10:24 |
| Yaniel | and it didn't update either when I chose sync from the pulley menu in settings->accounts->caldav | 10:24 |
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| chem|st | Yaniel: that sync from pulley worked at random for me... | 10:27 |
| chem|st | juiceme: string:'caldav-sync' | 10:27 |
| Yaniel | yeah I'm pretty sure it worked like once or twice yesterday too | 10:28 |
| chem|st | Yaniel: yes it did for me too, but then it didn't sync or do anything... for ages and I just deactivated it again. | 10:29 |
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| chem|st | juiceme: all profiles should be in /etc/sync/profiles/sync or alike - git for buteo plugins is here https://github.com/nemomobile?query=buteo | 10:30 |
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| tbr | Nicd-: hehe | 10:38 |
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| gabriel9 | http://www.supermind.org/blog/1078/extracting-second-level-domains-and-top-level-domains-tld-from-a-url-in-java | 10:45 |
| gabriel9 | sample/corpus | 10:45 |
| gabriel9 | sorry i was reading this post | 10:45 |
| gabriel9 | from that corpus(i never used that word :D) need to extract supermind.org | 10:46 |
| Nicd- | couldn't you use java.net.URL to simplify your task a lot? | 10:49 |
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| gabriel9 | hi Nicd, i tried that | 10:49 |
| gabriel9 | it does not work in may cases | 10:49 |
| gabriel9 | many | 10:49 |
| Nicd- | what kind of cases? | 10:50 |
| gabriel9 | i wrote my own class with regex, still many URL's are missing | 10:50 |
| Nicd- | don't write your own, it's really hard | 10:51 |
| gabriel9 | i dont remmember which cases, but it did not work, URL's are kinda dirty | 10:51 |
| gabriel9 | i really tried to make with java.net.URL but it did not work :( | 10:51 |
| gabriel9 | and for my own solution with regex you are right. So slow and hard to fix. | 10:52 |
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| Nicd- | I made one URL parser in Elixir with pattern matching. was a fun little project but not really useful | 10:55 |
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| rangoy | And we' | 11:25 |
| rangoy | ve just got another butload of strange tlds; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains | 11:25 |
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| rangoy | like .camera, .bike, ... "goto.jobs" is a perfectly valid URL | 11:27 |
| svuorela | rangoy: .bike is as old as .. .guru. .ninja is far newer. | 11:29 |
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| iSanttu | hi | 11:33 |
| iSanttu | anyone knows how to get google play working for jolla ? | 11:34 |
| aupo | YES | 11:34 |
| aupo | Whoops, yes. | 11:35 |
| iSanttu | how | 11:35 |
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| aupo | http://jollasuomi.fi/kuinka-saada-google-play-jolla-puhelimeen/ | 11:35 |
| aupo | First result on Google, I presume the language is fine? | 11:35 |
| aupo | http://www.jollatides.com/2014/04/03/updated-installing-google-play-on-jolla/ | 11:35 |
| aupo | And if the language does not suit one's needs. | 11:35 |
| iSanttu | after that kik messenger work? | 11:36 |
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| aupo | I have no idea as I don't use kik, but I'll wager it will. | 11:36 |
| iSanttu | kk | 11:36 |
| iSanttu | i test | 11:36 |
| aupo | I have some relatively obscure software working perfectly with GPlay | 11:36 |
| iSanttu | how to get that mode | 11:37 |
| iSanttu | i meam delev | 11:37 |
| aupo | Settings - Developer mode IIRC | 11:38 |
| Yaniel | yes | 11:38 |
| iSanttu | mikä suomeks | 11:38 |
| Yaniel | kehitystila | 11:38 |
| iSanttu | oke | 11:38 |
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| iSanttu | laitoin usb kiinni ja kysy kehitystilaa otin sen mut en nää koneelta jolla kansioo nyt? | 11:44 |
| Bysmyyr | kehitystilassa sun pitää ottaa siihen ssh yhteys | 11:45 |
| iSanttu | aa | 11:45 |
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| Hartzi | :) | 11:45 |
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| Bysmyyr | Sorry :P | 11:48 |
| iSanttu | mhh ei tapahdu silti mitään passun tallensin kans | 11:48 |
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| iSanttu_ | toi ssh lähtee pois päältö vissiim kokoajan | 11:50 |
| Bysmyyr | iSanttu_: only english here ;) | 11:51 |
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| iSanttu | sup i cant get.working my developer mode i plug usb in my comp butbi cant see my.jolla folder and i got ssh | 12:04 |
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| iSanttu_ | ? | 12:06 |
| iSanttu_ | how i can get my developer mode working | 12:06 |
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| Wnt | iSanttu_: I think you need to reboot the devide to get the ssh to accept connections | 12:08 |
| iSanttu_ | i did that few times | 12:08 |
| Wnt | if you try to ssh to your device do you get an error message? | 12:09 |
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| Wnt | or what do you mean by developer mode not working? | 12:10 |
| iSanttu_ | i cant see folder on computer when i plug it | 12:11 |
| iSanttu_ | ? | 12:11 |
| iSanttu_ | if i use developer | 12:12 |
| tbr | there is no "folder" in developer mode | 12:12 |
| tbr | in developer mode it shows up as a network device | 12:12 |
| iSanttu_ | oh kk | 12:12 |
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| lipi | iSanttu_: here is some instructions https://together.jolla.com/question/1919/howto-connecting-to-jolla-via-ssh-over-usb/#post-id-2024 | 12:14 |
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| iSanttu | i tried install google play and now i cant install apk files ?? and all markets crashing what i do now | 12:30 |
| inte | you copied everything to where it belongs? | 12:31 |
| iSanttu | yy | 12:31 |
| iSanttu | system folder? | 12:31 |
| inte | was a long time ago | 12:32 |
| inte | i did that | 12:32 |
| iSanttu | and it work? | 12:32 |
| inte | yeah, the systems folder | 12:32 |
| inte | jep | 12:32 |
| iSanttu | i try again | 12:32 |
| iSanttu | how to open ssh connect | 12:33 |
| iSanttu | and log.nemo? | 12:33 |
| iSanttu | i dont understand that;s | 12:34 |
| iSanttu | open ssh connection and login user nemo? | 12:34 |
| inz | did you allow remote connections and set password in "settings" | 12:35 |
| iSanttu | no where i can do that | 12:35 |
| inz | in settings/system/developer mode | 12:35 |
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| iSanttu | its ask username and pw? | 12:36 |
| iSanttu | where i can find that | 12:36 |
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| Nicd- | don't touch the developer updates part | 12:36 |
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| iSanttu_ | oh yea i set pw | 12:37 |
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| chem|st | user is nemo | 12:53 |
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| inte | what are these developer updates good for at all? | 13:03 |
| inte | ony thing i heard is they were the best way to break your device :) | 13:03 |
| Nicd- | they're only for jolla devs | 13:04 |
| inte | but won't they break their devices as well? | 13:04 |
| Nicd- | no | 13:04 |
| inte | aha | 13:04 |
| inte | :) | 13:04 |
| pp | they can easily reflash if they do | 13:04 |
| inte | ok THAT makes sense | 13:05 |
| inte | so maybe sometimes they even work | 13:05 |
| inte | sometimes they break the device | 13:05 |
| Nicd- | inte: the dev update dialog used to break your device back in 1.0.0.5 or so because it changed you to dev update mode even if authentication failed | 13:05 |
| Nicd- | so you couldn't install/update anything anymore | 13:05 |
| inte | ah | 13:05 |
| Nicd- | nowadays it'll just do nothing if you don't have a dev account | 13:05 |
| Nicd- | that's why we caution people not to touch them | 13:06 |
| inte | ok thanks. THAT makes really sense :) | 13:06 |
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| inte | Yeah I read that when I got my device last year for christmas :) | 13:06 |
| inte | so this warning is now a bit... outdated | 13:06 |
| special | yeah, but it's still not useful unless you have special credentials | 13:10 |
| ggabriel_ | ...almost as if that were something that shouldn't belong to settings ;-) | 13:10 |
| ggabriel_ | i mean, it's an ssu, right? | 13:10 |
| special | heh, it could be better hidden, perhaps | 13:10 |
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| special | but it's important that we have it available | 13:11 |
| inte | special: sure. But more importantly it's also not harmful any longer | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | special: my point is: if you're a developer, you may as well use the command line to do that | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | but yeah, it's easier like that | 13:11 |
| inte | ggabriel: if it doesn't change anything even for the normal user it doesn't matter if it's there or not i think | 13:11 |
| special | you might not have a commandline until after that is done ;) | 13:12 |
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| ruskie | yay got the screen protector/privacy guard | 13:16 |
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| inte | ruskie: you mean for other people not beeing able to read on your device from the side? | 13:18 |
| inte | like a display protector but inhibiting people to look onto the screen from the side? | 13:19 |
| ruskie | yeah | 13:19 |
| inte | ok | 13:22 |
| inte | yeah i was also thinking about buying these | 13:23 |
| inte | good especially when using public transport often | 13:23 |
| inte | and whatching p0rn there | 13:23 |
| inte | :) | 13:23 |
| inte | just kidding | 13:23 |
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| inte | but its true many people might read your messages in a crowd | 13:24 |
| ruskie | I'm just a tad paranoid hehe | 13:25 |
| ruskie | and I had one like it on my n900 | 13:25 |
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| inte | ruskie: try gpg on the jolla | 13:26 |
| inte | its not too bad with mutt | 13:26 |
| inte | at least its somehow working | 13:27 |
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| ruskie | mutt is one thing I don't much care for | 13:29 |
| inte | well the only way to use gpg at present (to my knowledge) | 13:30 |
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| inte | except for some (lousy) android apps | 13:30 |
| inte | maybe someone would port kontact touch | 13:31 |
| inte | that would be great | 13:31 |
| inte | it's Qt anyways | 13:31 |
| ruskie | I just prefer to not have much sensitive info on the device hehe | 13:32 |
| ruskie | http://www.protectionfilms24.com/products/screen-protectors/article-selection.html?geraeteklasse=105&marke=Jolla&modell=9825 <-- in case someone cares is what I got | 13:34 |
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| inte | ruskie: thanks i might think it over | 13:35 |
| ruskie | they have a few different ones | 13:35 |
| ruskie | mine is the mypiravcy one | 13:35 |
| ruskie | erm privacy | 13:35 |
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| inte | ruskie: and yes you're right as long as there is no way to conect openpgp smarcard to the device its a bit difficult since you shouldn't store your secret encryption key on the phone | 13:36 |
| inte | so you can maybe only sign messages (with a dedicated key which you give a lower priority) | 13:37 |
| inte | or SEND encrypted messages to other people | 13:37 |
| inte | using their public key | 13:37 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ruskie: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vikuiti-MySafeDisplay-Crystal-clear-Hard-coated-Dirt-repellent/dp/B00HJ2Q5ZG/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1404135498&sr=8-5&keywords=jolla | 13:38 |
| dr_gogeta86 | 3,7£ | 13:38 |
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| ruskie | dr_gogeta86, well I prefer those guy since they have a good service | 13:47 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ruskie: is the same seller | 13:48 |
| ruskie | ahh | 13:48 |
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| Scelt | dr_gogeta86 and ruskie: http://jollassa.fi/2014/04/screen-protection-film/ - I got one set of those too. Been good! | 13:53 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | Scelt: any pics | 14:12 |
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| inte | hello just came across this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZD7lULg25s | 14:59 |
| inte | here auto by nokia | 14:59 |
| inte | I only wonder what tablet that is at 0:18-0:21 | 14:59 |
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| inte | i don't see any buttons on the frame so it's no ipad | 15:00 |
| inte | nor is it an android | 15:00 |
| inte | and i would guess a surface would also look different, wouldn't it? | 15:01 |
| inte | some prototype by nokia? | 15:01 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | i want that thing on my jphone | 15:02 |
| inte | here? | 15:02 |
| inte | me tooo! | 15:02 |
| inte | it qt anyways so they should just release the app!! | 15:02 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i don't think so | 15:03 |
| inte | you don't think what? | 15:03 |
| inte | nokia automotive is Linux/Qt, since its build on the former meego automotive | 15:04 |
| inte | or what do you mean? | 15:04 |
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| Hartzi | inte: iOS graphics so I think that's an iPad | 15:07 |
| dr_gogeta86 | was safari | 15:07 |
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| inte | i thought ipads had a bigger frame | 15:20 |
| inte | and a button | 15:20 |
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| AL13N_work | wtf, care is really fast | 15:23 |
| AL13N_work | my jolla has already been shipped back to me | 15:23 |
| chem|st | AL13N_work: mine is still on the pickup-truck | 15:23 |
| AL13N_work | though now the real problem starts... getting fedex to have the correct routs | 15:23 |
| AL13N_work | chem|st: tbf, mine is also on the pickup truck | 15:24 |
| AL13N_work | i hope it gets past this | 15:24 |
| AL13N_work | chem|st: what's the estimated arrival date? | 15:24 |
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| chem|st | today | 15:27 |
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| chem|st | <18:00 | 15:28 |
| chem|st | last scan is wed 13:32 pickup | 15:28 |
| chem|st | I called fedex about it | 15:28 |
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| AL13N_work | chem|st: did they say anything, or was it like... "we'll investigate and get back to you?" | 15:49 |
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| chem|st | the latter | 15:52 |
| chem|st | no change in a days work, I called this morning | 15:52 |
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| AL13N_work | chem|st: i don't mean to jinx it, but i wonder what happens when the phone gets lost and it's fedex's fault | 15:58 |
| AL13N_work | or what happens when the courier steals the phone...? | 15:59 |
| AL13N_work | chem|st: maybe that'll jumpstart stuff, file an official complaint against the pickup driver in question | 16:00 |
| AL13N_work | or sue him for theft | 16:00 |
| chem|st | AL13N_work: I get a new one and fedex pays for it... it is a "the first one" device | 16:00 |
| AL13N_work | ouch | 16:01 |
| chem|st | no idea how many first ones are out there but I consider it to be 'rare goods' | 16:03 |
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| * AL13N_work too | 16:04 | |
| AL13N_work | but i don't have such rare goods | 16:04 |
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| inte | chem|st: I have a first one | 16:27 |
| inte | there were 10000+ Downloads of the Android runtime at harbour pretty fast | 16:27 |
| inte | so I guess its not that particular rare | 16:27 |
| inte | at least 10000 devices, if not more | 16:28 |
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| ruskie | hmmm anyone have a clue on how to import a client side ssl cert into jolla? On n900 just had to launch it... | 16:49 |
| special | import for what? | 16:50 |
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| chem|st | ruskie: there is nothing supporting client certs yet, is there? | 16:58 |
| ruskie | the builtin browser ought to | 16:59 |
| ruskie | it's gecko based | 16:59 |
| chem|st | inte: it is the first jolla phone, I was amongst the first, and add 5 times to your android download | 17:00 |
| ruskie | asd I did find something about it on together but that's about the UI on choosing the cert... not how to import | 17:01 |
| teve | https://together.jolla.com/question/835/browser-personal-certificates-import/ | 17:01 |
| ruskie | hmm | 17:02 |
| ruskie | so just need to make the cert8.db and plop it there | 17:02 |
| ruskie | easy to do | 17:02 |
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| inte | chem|st: 50000 of the first? | 18:54 |
| inte | mmh maybe | 18:54 |
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| inte | i was looking at the downloads of mitakuuluu | 18:54 |
| inte | which had around 50000 | 18:54 |
| inte | including updates, though | 18:54 |
| inte | so maybe 15-20000 in total | 18:55 |
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| inte | given every third to fourth person uses mitakuuluu | 18:55 |
| inte | makes maybe 80000 devices sold in total | 18:55 |
| inte | just a guess | 18:55 |
| inte | maybe a bit less or more | 18:55 |
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| inte | ruskie: you got your certificate imported? | 18:57 |
| inte | did that once as well | 18:57 |
| inte | was pretty straight forward | 18:57 |
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| chem|st | inte: nvm, mine was amongst the first 5000 device - I have not had most of the common hardware issues others had like rebooting out of nowhere, never problems with sim-slot, just my vibrator died all for a sudden - so I fear to get another device with all those problems... | 19:08 |
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| cb400f | I got mine early January.. second round of pre-orders.. never had any hardware issues | 19:15 |
| cb400f | except my home cut micro sim wouldn't work.. but an "official" micro sim never caused any probs | 19:16 |
| chem|st | cb400f: it does not depend on any date, my sister got hers in the same timeframe I did (2 days later IIRC) and has reboots at 55-60% battery, I don't | 19:17 |
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| cb400f | hrm... I actually thought those issues only happened to "vandals" ;-) | 19:18 |
| chem|st | cb400f: sim both ways, handcrafted or machine-cut | 19:18 |
| chem|st | cb400f: you lost me | 19:19 |
| cb400f | I thought the reboot issues etc. only happened to the kind of people who will add every experimental repo in existence, then 'dup' like crazy, and finally drop their phone in the toilet | 19:20 |
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| cb400f | ... and then wonder why it doesn't run optimally :-) | 19:20 |
| chem|st | nope, no openrepos installed afaik | 19:21 |
| cb400f | but I don't suppose your sister is in that category | 19:21 |
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| chem|st | these issues do not depend on your "install" patterns | 19:22 |
| Nicd- | cb400f: the issues happen to everyone | 19:22 |
| Nicd- | everyone meaning all kinds of usage patterns | 19:23 |
| Nicd- | I don't have any extra repos or gplay installed, I still have reboots | 19:23 |
| chem|st | cb400f: a percentage of devices seem to be dodgy on heat/battery and/or both | 19:23 |
| cb400f | hmm | 19:23 |
| chem|st | I had software crash causing reboots but that is a different thing | 19:24 |
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| chem|st | those reboots are like "overheating" banner -> reboot, open browser -> device turns black no led then all for a sudden boot logo | 19:24 |
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| chem|st | connect to internet -> reboot | 19:25 |
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| Stskeeps | chem|st: on update7? | 19:25 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: my sisters device changed from 55% on up6 to 60% on up7 | 19:26 |
| chem|st | device was at care before last update | 19:26 |
| chem|st | so no idea if it is 55% before care and 60% after or if it is related to the update | 19:27 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: I tried everything to get my phone to crash that way, but it ran fine down to 4% battery on all attempts | 19:28 |
| chem|st | even things like empty maps cash, reset last-fix enable gps wlan mdata and start zooming in on maps while it attempts to get a fix indoors... | 19:29 |
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| chem|st | I just hope they did not resolder anything but the vibrator and I actually get my device back | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | did it go past china? | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:32 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: nope, if you believe fedex tracking it is sitting in the truck that picked it up - since wednesday^^ | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | hmm :) | 19:34 |
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| chem|st | I go on vacation for two weeks, if it is not here by friday I need to ask for a rerouting, preferably transit between paris and koeln for those two weeks^^ | 19:36 |
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| juiceme | My device has been relatively stable. There's only ever one kind of reboots I get, and now I have learned to avoid those situations | 19:54 |
| juiceme | If I am in a WIFI hotspot, and start a navigation application that uses network to pull map data, and then leave the premises, chances are 50/50 that the device will either boot or crash the navigation app | 19:55 |
| juiceme | nothing ever else gets my Jolla booted. | 19:55 |
| juiceme | so the fix I have, I turn WIFI off before starting navigation. Works like a charm | 19:56 |
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| gogeta | guys but provide kernel modules is considered sin ? | 20:07 |
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| juiceme | gogeta, wot? | 20:17 |
| juiceme | how come could that be a sin... unless you make bad modules, of cpourse :) | 20:17 |
| M4rtinK | binary-only kernel modules ? :) | 20:17 |
| gogeta | not | 20:18 |
| juiceme | s/cpourse/course/ | 20:18 |
| gogeta | adding kernel features via ko module | 20:18 |
| juiceme | yes... binary-onlies without source I would not load | 20:18 |
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| juiceme | That is of course necessary, when you add new drivers, new filesystems, new protocols to IP stack... | 20:19 |
| juiceme | so it is not sin AFAIK | 20:19 |
| gogeta | juiceme: M4rtinK if is supported into jolla kernel | 20:19 |
| gogeta | is not necessary | 20:20 |
| juiceme | You can easily write & compile your own modules for Jolla. You can do it on Jolla even. And nothing prevents you from loading the modules. | 20:21 |
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| gogeta | juiceme | 20:22 |
| gogeta | is just for testin purpusess | 20:23 |
| gogeta | *purposeses | 20:23 |
| gogeta | is a network conditioner | 20:23 |
| juiceme | yes | 20:23 |
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| gogeta | si ifb support | 20:24 |
| gogeta | disabled in jolla kernel | 20:24 |
| juiceme | aa yes, of course some functionality cannot be implemented in just a module; you mean this? | 20:32 |
| juiceme | it needs the hooks to be enabled in the built kernel | 20:32 |
| juiceme | there is a solution, though, just build your own kernel. | 20:33 |
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| gogeta | [root@Jolla 3.4.87.20140516.2]# zcat /proc/config.gz | grep IFB | 20:42 |
| gogeta | # CONFIG_IFB is not set | 20:42 |
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| stephg | well hello | 21:37 |
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| kimmoli_sailing | ooo communi datestamp | 21:44 |
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| inte | chem|st: how do you know your device was between those 5000? | 23:08 |
| inte | i guess mine was as well, since i ordered the first or second day the jollas were up for preorder | 23:09 |
| inte | i received it pretty eraly | 23:09 |
| inte | and i never had those reboot issues... | 23:09 |
| inte | is there any way to determine? | 23:10 |
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| chem|st | inte: you mean any way to determine? I was in the store before standard apps hit the 5k downloads as said, I myself did i+5 on some of those and there was this list of people on google when they ordered and when they received their order, if I am correct I had my shop invitation with the second invitation wave | 23:19 |
| chem|st | argh missing word "you mean any way to determine order" | 23:20 |
| inte | ah | 23:20 |
| inte | ok | 23:20 |
| inte | yeah happend to me as well afaik | 23:20 |
| inte | dont remeber android downloads but i guess they were around 3k | 23:20 |
| inte | according to tmo i was below the first people to receive their mobile in germany | 23:21 |
| inte | around Dec 20th | 23:21 |
| chem|st | iirc store apps where about 500-1500 downloads when I first joined | 23:21 |
| inte | or maybe even earlier | 23:21 |
| inte | dont know depends on the apps | 23:21 |
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| inte | for sure there was none above 10k | 23:21 |
| inte | i thought there also was a possibilty to determine by the serial | 23:22 |
| chem|st | inte: that is amongst the first but days from me... I registered my device 16th | 23:22 |
| inte | my is not unique, according to this tool from harbour, does this mean anything. btw? | 23:22 |
| inte | were are you located? | 23:22 |
| chem|st | germany | 23:23 |
| inte | ah | 23:23 |
| inte | i really dont remember when i got mine but probably around the same time | 23:23 |
| chem|st | my sister got hers 16th or 17th | 23:23 |
| chem|st | inte: your account holds the registration date | 23:24 |
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| inte | Your Shipment #200001011 for Order #200001661 | 23:25 |
| inte | got this email on 16th an received the device probaly a day or to later | 23:26 |
| inte | two | 23:26 |
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| chem|st | inte: your account page has your jolla registered, I guess you unpacked the day you received it?! | 23:26 |
| inte | registration date doesn't necessarly mean day of first usage since i had to wait for the weekend until i unpacked it | 23:27 |
| chem|st | ah ok | 23:27 |
| inte | well but still, something in between | 23:27 |
| chem|st | sure | 23:28 |
| inte | so, eventually there is no way to determine, not even by the serial? | 23:28 |
| chem|st | Jolla knows which devices are buggy and maybe can draw some lines, we don | 23:28 |
| chem|st | t | 23:28 |
| chem|st | some people got their batteries replaced, some their sim-holder, some had no problem after a software update - no clue where those lines get drawn to | 23:30 |
| inte | i had some reboot | 23:30 |
| inte | maybe once a week | 23:31 |
| inte | if at all | 23:31 |
| inte | didn't give much about that | 23:31 |
| inte | especially since i played with the device pretty much | 23:31 |
| chem|st | I had reboots too, but always after some piece of software crashed and its death pulled lipstick and later the kernel to its grave | 23:31 |
| inte | like having patchmanager and all kinds of openrepo software installed | 23:32 |
| inte | jup | 23:32 |
| chem|st | but those reboots we are talking about are - turn mdata on > black screen > booting device logo | 23:32 |
| inte | i suspect mitakuuluu is not totally out of guilt | 23:32 |
| inte | sorry coderus :) | 23:33 |
| inte | i use it anyway, but it sometimes greps 100% cpu load | 23:33 |
| chem|st | true, thirdparty apps may cause unexpected things | 23:33 |
| inte | chem|st: jep | 23:33 |
| inte | what is mdata, btw? | 23:34 |
| chem|st | on n900 some python crap pulled python-desktop-launcher for some fancy widgets, uninstalled that crap and all was fine again | 23:34 |
| chem|st | inte: we are refering to mobile-data as mdata | 23:35 |
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| inte | ah | 23:35 |
| chem|st | no idea where it comes from but less to typ I guess | 23:35 |
| inte | i have mdata on all the times, but i feel most of theese reboots happen when entering/leaving wifi coverage | 23:36 |
| inte | in the beginning i had a lot of trouble with mdata, like it wouldn`t connect anymore and i had to (intentionally) reboot | 23:37 |
| inte | but that did strongly improve with the latter releases | 23:37 |
| inte | the only thing i wonder... i have this deviveID app and it says "not unique" | 23:38 |
| inte | don't know what that means | 23:38 |
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| inte` | got my latest? | 23:40 |
| inte` | was disconnected | 23:40 |
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| chem|st | dodgy wlan was and is a problem - connman has caused me a lot of stress... no idea what you are refering to with deviceID app, the MAC was unknown in the beginning don't know about now | 23:44 |
| chem|st | I remember someone asking about that some time ago, no idea what it is about! | 23:45 |
| chem|st | well, I gtg to bed, highlight me if you want me to read more of you as else it gets lost in the scrollback | 23:47 |
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